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From YouTube: CHAOSS Monthly Call - Sept 4th, 2018
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CHAOSS Monthly Call - Sept 4th, 2018
A
Right,
recording,
okay,
so
hi
everybody,
and
welcome
back
to
many
people
from
open
source,
some
of
North
America
without
giving
you
my
full
Redux
for
everybody,
I
thought
it
was
a
really
successful
event.
I
thought
chaos
had
a
really
nice
presence
at
the
summit
between
chaos
con
which
maybe
I'm
kind
of
Pollyanna.
On
this,
but
I
thought
it
was
pretty
awesome
for
a
lot
of
really
good
people
with
a
lot
of
really
good
ideas
and
I
loved
the
presentations.
I
love
the
lightning
talks,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
A
So
I
was
pretty
pretty
psyched
about
that,
and
then
we
had
a
gash
there's
Georg.
Then
we
had
a
fair
number
of
other
things
going
on
at
open
source
in
North
America,
so
I
thought.
Maybe
we
could
spend
just
a
little
time
as
to
what
kind
of
our
to
news
that
people
took
away
from
the
summit
are,
from,
from
my
perspective,
I
think
the
big
takeaway.
Well,
maybe
there
were
two
big
takeaways.
We
headed
to
people
to
the
chaos
board
so
Ray,
who
is
on
the
call
right
here
welcome
ray
to
the
thank.
B
A
Thank
you
so
and
Ben
Lloyd
Pierson
so
raise
it.
It
get
lab
and
then
Ben
Lloyd
Pierson
from
oath,
which
is
both
a
Verizon
company,
which
is
how
I've
learned
that
you
say
the
name
of
the
company.
So
so
anyway,
it's
nice
to
have
everybody
nice
to
welcome
two
new
members
of
the
board,
I
think
the
biggest
takeaway
for
me
from
chaos.
Con
was
the
development
of
stories
so
how
people
are
using
the
metrics
and
the
decisions
that
they're
making
from
them.
So
that
was
by
far
the
biggest
takeaway
from
me.
A
C
Know-
and
this
is
something
that
I
also
heard
the
open
community
interesting
doing-
I
talked
to
several
people
at
the
conference
just
to
brainstorm.
What
the
best
way
to
do
this
is,
and
after
considering
a
few
options,
the
block-post
seems
to
be
the
way
to
go
because
it's
easy
to
consume.
You
can
read
it
at
work.
You
don't
run
into
issues
of
your
video
being
blocked
or
meeting
commute
to
listen
to
a
podcast.
You
can
you
get
a
link
that
you
can
reference
out?
C
We
can
link
to
resources
like
dashboards
or
software
that
is
being
used
for
metrics.
We
can
include
screenshots,
so
there's
many
good
things
about
the
block-post
format
to
share
stories
and
then
what
I
post
it
to
the
mailing
list.
Yesterday
is
a
point
of
discussion
on
how
we
can
move
forward
and
enable
anyone
in
the
community
to
write
those
blog
posts.
So
we
have
a
standard
format
so.
A
C
D
C
Never
like
shorten
it,
okay,
put
it
into
the
right
format.
Okay,
this
is
something
that
we
can
do
here.
This
is
if
anyone
else
in
the
community
wants
to
do
this.
They're
welcome
to
do
this,
so
that's
yeah.
Anyone
can
write
those
blog
posts
and
the
way
we
collect
those
stories
is
through
those
emails,
because
it's
less
overhead.
Okay,
what
are
people's
thoughts
on
this.
E
A
A
So
if
they
say
ray
ed,
get
lab
is
using
particular
metrics
to
solve
a
particular
problem.
So
he
has
a
problem
or
a
question
that
he's
looking
to
answer
right:
Alexa
series
of
metrics
to
help
shed
light
on
that
problem,
kind
of
capturing
that
Laurie
and
then
how
that
information
actually
helped
inform
a
decision
or
an
action
down
the
road.
So.
A
Cuz,
a
lot
of
people
I
think
you
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
just
wanting
to
get
their
bowls
on.
What
is
the
problem
that
people
are
trying
to
solve
with
metrics,
whether
they're
DNI
metrics,
whether
they're
growth,
maturity
and
decline,
metrics,
whether
they're
risk
metrics
or
whatever
it
might
be,
but
just
get
their
bearings
and
what
other
people
are
doing
and
what
action
can
come
from
those?
So
that's
what
these
are:
okay,.
B
C
The
way
that
he
thinks
community
members
is,
you
have
a
very
narrow
focus,
one
hypothesis
that
is
being
tested.
Something
like
you,
don't
have
enough
community
engagement
and
it's
your
hypothesis
and
then
you
go
and
show
the
metrics
that
you
looked
at
maximum
five
typically
and
then
what
actions
you
do
to
change
those
metrics
and
after
investigating
the
hypothesis
and
then
also
narrow
it
down.
Are
you
looking
at
big
project?
Small
projects
from
within
account
go
to
look
for
the
community,
so
different
angles
to
narrow
down
your
search.
C
E
C
A
We
have
our
first
one
I
personally,
I
love
the
idea.
I'm
straight
up.
I
do
encourage,
as
opposed
to
just
sharing
my
screen
here,
to
show
the
work
that
Georg
had
bootstrapped
I'll,
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
the
chaos
mail.
The
Georg
sent
out
today
is
three
hours
ago
or
four
hours
ago
and
comment
on
the
structure,
and
we
can
keep
the
conversation
about
the
structure
going
in
the
next
couple
weeks,
but
I
think
it
might
just
be
a
little
bit
of
you
know,
trial
by
fire.
A
We
just
we
just
need
to
start
moving
these
forward.
I,
there's
just
been
kind
of
of
demand
for
this
stuff,
really
from
no
I
just
thought
lately.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Georg
yeah
I
appreciate
that
there
was
also
in
Cass
kind
of
remember.
There
was
a
discussion
also
about
remember,
like
red,
yellow,
green.
Remember
this
that's
a
little
different
than
this.
Isn't
it
that.
E
E
C
Yeah
I've
been
thinking
about
it
since
chaos
con
because
it
would
shift
what
they're
doing
for
me,
but
we
do
start
labeling
communities
as
healthy
and
unhealthy.
If
we
do
provide
this
stoplight
approach
and
ideally
I
think
it
would
be
good,
we
can
continue
to
stay
agnostic
to
it
and
then
have
community
members
like
red
hat,
but
they're
prospector.
What
Terrace
was
showing
that
they
provide
these.
A
F
A
A
We
have
the
website
and
that's
super
helpful,
and
now
we
add
the
stories
which
is
I
totally
agree
completely
helpful,
but
it's
one
more
thing
to
take
a
look
at,
and
so
maybe,
if
and
if
might
might,
my
hesitation
is
if
we
started,
adding
like
pretty,
yellow
and
green
as
another
thing
that
we're
starting
to
get
too
many
carts
that
people
are
it's
gonna
be
hard
to
connect
with
the
project,
so
I
want
to
keep
that
barrier
or
really
low
I.
Don't.
C
C
A
A
Alright
and
then
the
other
thing
that
came
up
for
me
was:
do
you
remember
Ben's
Ben's
presentation
at
chaos
Khan?
He
was
using
Remora
lat
to
identify
dyeing
projects.
So
basically,
Ben
had
worked
with
grimore
lab
I.
Don't
know
if
he'd
worked
with
you,
men
regear,
he
had
kind
of
done
it
on
his
own,
but
he'd
been
working
with
the
grimore
lab
codebase
to
highlight
particular
things
that
he
was
interested
in
with
respect
to
the
identification
dyeing
projects.
Remember
this
one!
Yes,.
G
A
He
had
suggested
I
think
we
may
want
to
think
about.
This
is
ways
that
so
the
work
that
he
had
done
with
grimore
lab
is
basically
an
instantiation
of
grimore
lab
around
his
particular
context,
and
he
had
offered
to
actually
donate
that
work
to
the
Kaos
project
that
if
somebody
else
was
interested
in
taking
a
look
at
dyeing
projects
or
the
kind
of
the
context,
but
he
was
looking
at
it,
but
he's
done
all
the
heavy
lifting
in
terms
of
getting
grimore
lab
to
do
the
work
that
he
wants
it
to
get
done.
A
G
Case
of
pretty
more
love
actually
is
something
we
were
being
discussing
a
lot
when
we
started
working
with
the
with
the
idea
of
this
toolkit
assigns
it
user
can
set
up
his
own
or
her
own
dashboards
or
panels.
The
good
thing
is
that
they
can
be
exported
and
imported
in
another
instance
of
rim
or
lab.
So
that's
I.
Think
second
feature
in
terms
of
we
can
set
up
some
kind
of
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
marketplace,
but
I
seen
a
place
where
people
can
say.
Okay,
this
is
the
problem
I
have
found.
G
G
Think
we
are
being
even
in
our
specification,
we
static,
we're
gonna
need
more
love.
We
work
with
another
minded.
Okay,
this
is
how
we
think
things
should
be
seeing
into
the
dashboard,
and
then
we
realize
that
people
is
very
more
market
if
than
ourselves.
For
that.
Okay,
we
would
like
to
open
that
to
the
people.
A
G
Could
be
yes,
opening
an
issue
in
within
more
lab
itself?
I
I
having
it
open
the
discussion
to
the
committee
because
it
actually
was
an
idea
schedules
and
me
has
been
changing
home
on
flights.
The
more
we
fly
them.
We
discuss
our
idea
because
it's
okay,
that
would
be
done,
and
we
also
think
to
Ben
about
this
idea.
Okay,
yes
put
down
on
github
repository
or
someplace
that
could
be
imported
to
the
sport
reform.
It
will
give
itself
and
I
think
would
be
an
interesting
use
case.
G
Okay,
how
you
can
use
your
own
panels
or
whatever
and
I
think
this
has
some
idea
of
using
even
the
kales
community
dashboard
to
allow
people
to
do
that.
Stuff
is
specifically
they.
Okay,
you
can
log
in
in
the
dashboard.
You
can
build
your
own
panel
and
see
okay.
This
answer
my
specific
question:
I:
don't
need
it
20
charge
whatever
panels
or
whatever.
Yes,
this
specific
thing:
okay,.
C
D
C
G
A
A
A
I'm
still,
we
have
to
I
think
we
get
paid
as
a
community,
the
timings
a
little
bit
funny
like
we
get
our
money
from
Google
at
the
end
of
this
month,
I
think,
but
she
has
to
commit
a
little
earlier
anyway,
yeah
I'm,
trying
to
just
kind
of
work
out
those
details
so
anyway
I'm
real
happy
that
the
Joseon
has
agreed
to
go
and
I.
Think
that's
great
too.
Not
only
have
we
go,
but
also
to
have
representation
of
chaos
at
the
mentor
summit.
So
that's
great
thanks,
Josie
any
all
right.
A
G
A
A
All
right,
metrics
update,
I'll,
take
that
one.
So
you
know,
as
most
of
you
know,
that
we
work
with
the
working
groups
that
help
inform
the
metrics,
but
one
of
the
ones
that
actually
got
some
lift
off
the
ground
was
the
risk,
metric
and
I
think
there
are
several
people
that
I
talked
to
with
respect
to
the
SPX
community,
as
well
as
the
open
chain
community
who
are
interested
in
being
involved
in
building
out
the
risk
component.
If,
if
you
were
a
chaos
con,
you
may
remember
the
Matt
Snell
we
up
there
too
Georg.
Yes,.
A
A
lightening
session
on
risk,
so
we
at
least
have
some
bootstrap
ideas
on
how
to
start
moving
the
risk
metric
forward.
So
all
I
can
say
is
more
to
come
on
that,
but
I
think
we
start
we're
starting
to
get
our
heads
around
it
and
starting
to
get
a
community
of
people
who
are
interested
in
moving
this
one
for
it.
A
I
thought
was
kind
of
interesting
at
the
the
open
chain
and
the
SPD
X
group,
the
folks
that
are
there,
are
much
more
concerned
about
legal
risk
and
license
risk
and
security
of
us
right
and
I.
Think
in
the
lightening
session.
We
didn't
get
much
of
that.
It
was
more
about
the
riskiness
of
engaging
with
the
project
for
fear
of
failure
or
for
instability
in
the
project
or
toxicity
in
the
front
that
was
kind
of
the
thing.
A
C
To
come
on
that,
it
might
be
a
similar
issue
that
behalf
of
diversity,
where
there
is
diversity
across
with
demographics
and
then
diversity
across
organizational
employment.
Those
are
two
different
terms:
people
interested
in
diversity,
and
we
might
have
the
same
risk
that
there
are
two
different
camps:
interests.
A
Okay,
but
there's
not
an
opposition
to
keep
them
separate
you
donate
beyond.
Okay
I
mean
my
inclination
is
to
bring
them
together
if
people
are
comfortable
talking
about
project
risk
from
a
stability
perspective
great
and
if
they're
interested
in
talking
about
project
risk
from
a
legal
perspective.
Great
and
again,
like
we've,
always
talked
about,
especially
we
started
getting
a
chaos.
Can
we
just
try,
not
in
the
few
metrics
that
people
are
using
to
solve,
provide
the
right
answers
to
the
right
question
right,
so
all
right
cool?
So
that's!
C
B
C
Our
goal
was
to
work
through
the
entire
stack
of
documents
that
we
were
creating
from
the
top
where
it
says
via
would
the
diversity,
including
work
group,
and
then
how
do
we
navigate
people
through
to
the
metrics?
What
are
the
different
steps
involved
and
within
the
diversity
inclusion
work
group
at
the
top
focus
areas?
You
have
eight
focus
areas
that
is
basically
sub
categorization
and
we
could
go
on
creating
more
subcategories,
but
the
only
one
that
creates
so
much
depth
that
the
next
level
is
where
we
write
down
their
goals
and
questions.
C
So
we
take
the
goal,
let's
say:
gonna
understand
diverse,
including
names
project
spaces,
and
then
one
of
the
questions
we
can
ask
around
that
like
how
accessible
is
the
documentation?
How
easy
do
you
find
an
IRC
channel
and
so
on
and
then
the
stuff
we
know,
that
is
what
we
call
the
resource
page,
where
each
question
gets
its
own
resource,
page
or
being
outlined.
Okay,
if
you
want
John,
if
you
want
to
understand
this
question
here
are
the
tools
that
you
can
use.
Here's
how
you
use
them.
C
This
can
include
interview,
question
survey,
questions
this
can
include
Ramona,
dashboard,
whatever
it
is,
and
then
from
there
we
link
out
to
the
metric
detailed
pages
what
we
have
in
the
metrics
committee,
where
we
specify
how
is
this
metric
implemented?
How
is
it
defined?
So
this
is
the
three
layers
within
the
DNI
and
then
a
buck
that
we
have
before
categories
within
the
metrics
committee
and
below
it
as
the
metrics
detailed
pages
that
are
also
in
the
metrics
entity.
C
A
Could
this
result
in
less
detail
in
the
metrics
pages
you
know
like
the
individual
metrics
say
it's
commits
I,
don't
support
of
that
one
but
yeah.
You
know
how
there's
like
eight
things
right
now
defining
commits
in
that
markdown
file.
Would
it
change
that
structure?
Is
this
part
of
your
question
earlier
this
I?
A
C
A
I
see
in
the
metric
page
is
pretty
agnostic
to
the
workgroup
yeah.
At
least
it
should
be
correct:
okay,
okay,
so
just
getting
those
things
lined
up,
yeah,
okay,
that
sounds
good
thanks
for
that
work.
I
think,
honestly,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
structure
I'd
mentioned
this
earlier.
That's
coming
out
of
the
DNI,
your
with
respect
to
these
subcategories
and
then
the
goals
and
the
questions
and
the
detail
pages.
E
I
think
I
think
the
growth
and
pretty
decline
group
has
largely
been
following.
The
structure
laid
out.
I
think
I
think
when
it
comes
to
Cole's
army.
Ours
might
not
be
as
great
as
general
sort
of
overarching
and,
and
so
we
might
have
a
harder
time
coming
up
with
meaningful
goals
at
a
high
F
level
so
that
they
don't
become
on
overwhelming
list
of
themselves,
but
I,
don't
I
think
we
can
have
some
sort
of
hierarchy
that
that
is
along
these
lines.
I
just
don't
have
a
particular
hey.
It's
a
good
point
prescription
right,
maybe.
C
B
A
D
D
F
A
F
Very
short,
just
fortify
the
questions
kind
of
a:
why
do
we
need
community
health
analytics?
What
are
the
problems
associated
with
this?
What
is
chaos
and
what's
the
future
of
chaos,
and
actually,
if
you,
if
you
have
some
time
later
on
this
week,
I
would
love
to
do
a
short
zoom
interview
with
you
on
that.
If
I
could
Nicole
yeah.
A
All
right
all
right,
Oh,
Josie,
yeah,
okay,
all
right
cool!
Well,
thanks,
everybody
well
well
I
think
have
a
little
bit
more
feedback
next
week
coming
off
Vancouver's,
always
right.
By
the
way
it
was
great
to
see
everybody
yeah.
It
was
really
really
nice
to
put
faces
to
names
or
not
zoom
faces
to
names,
but
it
was
really
great
to
see
everybody
and
it's
really
great
to
participate
in
the
D
and
I
work
and
see
all
that
stuff.