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From YouTube: CHAOSS Monthly Meeting: June 5, 2018
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A
I'm
starting
the
recording
now
so
welcome
everyone.
Welcome
to
our
monthly
Kaos
meeting.
We
have
I
said
no
agenda.
Yesterday,
one
google
Summer
of
Code
update
upcoming
events.
We
have
the
code
of
conduct
team
boat.
That
I
asked
you
all
to
vote
on
please
and
then
updates
from
our
work
groups
and
committees
and
Matt
had
sent
in
a
request
to
also
discuss
how
metrics
are
put
on
our
list.
C
B
Great,
so
I
was
just
saying
that
we're
still
producing
when
they
all
had
some
trouble
with
familiy
mother's,
so
he's
maybe
a
bit
slow,
worried
inspected.
He
is
trying
to
recover
this
week.
We
switched
to
Thursday
for
the
meeting
and
next
week
we
are
do
our
review
of
her
progress
for
Google,
or
we
should
be
a
stadium
where
his
progress
in
that
respected
or
not
I
think
that's
all
for
now.
C
So
I'm
excited
about
that
and
I
think
hasten
our
gonna
start
having
a
call
with
him
routinely
and
I,
like
the
model
that
hey
C's
has
put
forth
with
a
regular
sort
of
weekly
to-do
list
them
and
blog
posting,
so
piano
and
I
haven't
discussed
that
yet
because
I
just
got
back
from
Sweden,
but
done
I
did
mention
it
to
him.
So
I.
Imagine
we'll
we'll
talk
about
that
more,
but
other
things
are
things
are
going
well,
I
think
what
we
have.
We
do.
Oh
and
a
report
to
Google
Plus,
a
seizure
points
out.
D
Well,
well,
for
me:
I
just
uploaded
some
stuff:
they
keep
your
notebooks
with
respect
to
them
type,
a
meal
as
I'm
showing
the
same
I'm
so
I'm,
just
working
on
that
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
discuss
a
bit
more
about
like
how
exactly
I
have
to
upload
it,
because
there's
some
stuff
we
need
to
go
over
with
respect
to
like
the
database.
With
respect
to
like
how
the
piper
me,
it
will
be
exactly
but
I
think
well,
hopefully,
I'm
going
good
so
far,.
B
A
B
A
C
B
So
I
don't
know
so
one
thing
is
coming
to
the
meetings
and
another
one
is
contributing.
Maybe
came
into
the
media
change
more
time
demanding
and
I.
Don't
expect
a
lot
of
people
came
in
to
the
medians
either
to
these
meetings
or
to
cows,
cows
and
stuff
like
that,
but
they
really
expect
some
more
people
to
get
involved,
somehow,
maybe
in
defining
metrics
or
maybe
in
the
software
or
something
that's.
Why
that's
my
gut
feeling
I,
don't
know.
A
C
A
B
C
B
I,
don't
think
so
yeah
just
to
just
look
like
like
this
was
the
first
so
killed
our
conference
and
world
walk
shop
and
I
think
that
the
people
were
happy
with
couch
being
presented
there,
and
it
was
mentioned
in
many
of
the
talks.
So
I
think
that
basically
we
had
a
very
good
presentation
and
it's
ended
a
very
good
summary
of
what
calcium's
won.
B
A
B
B
C
Remember
at
least
one
Canadian
I
mean
Kate's
Canadian
technically,
and
there
were
it
was
a
lot
of
Europeans
may
be
at
least
half
European
I
think
slightly
something
more
than
that,
and
you
know,
because
Tom
mins
brought
at
least
two
students.
They
may
have
had
actually
a
third
student
there
yeah
and
then
he
Sue's
your
group
had
a
number
of
presentations
as
well,
at
least
to
man.
B
B
But
that's
still
not
that
common
I
mean
it's
just
a
few
people
doing
that.
But
my
impression
is
that
the
trend
is
meant
to
grow
as
people
from
other
communities
can,
for
instance,
if
you're
interested
in
machine
learning.
You
are
just
interested
in
getting
a
database
with
a
lot
of
data
and
you
really
don't
mind
how
to
gather
the
data.
If
somebody
can
get
at
the
data
review,
that's
much
better
if
the
research
will
go
through
a
figure,
that's
much
better.
B
So
my
impression
is
that
in
the
usual
tools
by
third
parties
is
going
to
increase
their
in
the
next
years.
We
have
had
some
feedback
after
Ms
her
from
the
polls.
I
mean
researchers
came
in
and
user
tools,
I
know
because
of
the
issues
they
are
opening
and
it
has
enough
because
that
something
is
not
working
or
or
something
like
that.
But
it's
difficult
to
know
whether
many
of
them
are
going
to
use
the
tools
in
a
continuous
way.
C
Nice
and
strong
nice
sense
from
the
MS
our
experience
as
well
as
the
workshop
it
is,
is
that
our
suspicions
that
there
are
not
in
there
are
some
cases,
as
in
the
case
of
commits,
introducing
wise
pate
Boyd's
based
in
things
like
that.
We're
really
explicit
agreement
exists
about
what
the
metrics
are.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
what
these
folks
are
doing
is
trying
to
implement
new
metrics
or
identify
new
ways
to
measure
software
repository
success,
especially
or
health
and
maturity
and
I
met.
C
Think
the
role
but
chaos
can
play
is
to
potentially
help
them
and
I,
don't
know
where
this
is,
but
to
help
them
increase
the
uptake
some
of
the
things
that
they
do.
The
keynote
for
the
mining
software
repositories
conference
was
actually
I
thought
very
critical
of
the
the
practical
application
of
the
work
in
that
community,
which
I
think
I
am
I
took
that
as
possibly
an
opportunity
for
chaos,
but
I
tend
to
be
optimistic
about
such
things.
A
F
Just
to
mention
that
Oscar
is
in
July,
together
with
Nicole
on
a
meter
and
some
other
people
from
the
diversity
inclusion
working
group.
We
got
accepted
breakout
session
in
the
Community
Leadership
Summit
it's
taking
place
in
the
717
well,
the
weekend
of
17th
of
July,
the
gender
is
still
to
be
onic,
so
we
are
having
the
think
basically
and
what
we
in
in
terms
of
the
company
Victoria.
We
are
having
a
boost
in
Austin,
so
we
are,
of
course,
all
listen.
I'm
telling
the
people
about
carriers,
and
so
on.
F
B
B
E
A
A
C
Well,
I,
guess:
I
guess
that
I
forget
we
had
a
little
miscommunication
about
the
last
working
group
meeting,
but
there's
a
couple
of
dues
that
came
out
of
that.
One
is
that
where
we
are
working
on
certain
metrics
right
now
and
a
hey
soos
and
the
intern
that
people
some
are
code,
person
have
been
building
out
the
chaos
metrics
as
have
folks
on
the
augur
team,
and
we
agree
on
this
strategy
that
we're
going
to
use
the
cupid
or
have
notebooks
to
to
push
out
the
the
actual
first
cut
at
understanding,
metrics
and
I.
C
C
So
there
was
some
discussion
during
the
meeting
of
the
need
to
have
ways
of
clearly
going
back
and
forth
between
folks
who
are
defining
metrics
and
then
the
implementation
of
the
metric,
so
that
we
can
see
the
definitions
as
they
evolve
and
get
updates
back
and
forth
and
also
give
people
a
chance
to
play
with
implementations
of
the
metrics
to
understand
what
they
really
are.
I
mean
I.
Think
in
the
case
of
things
like
commits,
we
have
a
good
understanding,
I
think
as
we
get
into
the
space
of
diversity.
A
C
You
know
what
our
release
process
is:
gonna,
be
for
the
metrics
trying
to
get
our
message
clear
on
on
github
point
people
to
reference
implementations,
maybe
give
people
I,
think
building
a
getting
started
guide
in
a
cover
page
or
that
I
think
that
I'm
looking
I
found.
My
notes
are
the
two
main
things
that
that
came
out
of
the
discussion
and
so
I
took
away
it
to
do
to
have
those
drafted.
So
hopefully
that
happens
today.
Laura.
A
C
So
we're
going
to
invite
I,
think
I
would
say
one
of
the
things
that
Ray
and
Ray
was
sort
of
the
the
lone
community
manager
represented,
but
I
think
everyone
on
this
call
us,
and
especially
anyone
who
is
a
community
manager.
We
I
think
getting
engagement
from
community
managers
is
like
the
two
of
colonels.
C
You
know
the
highest
likelihood
of
success
is
gonna
happen
through
just
personal
invitations,
and
if
we
have
people
that
we
know
our
community
managers
that
we
can
personally
invite
that
that
would
be
helpful,
I
think
to
increase
that
engagement,
I,
don't
know.
If
you
know
you
have
any
thoughts.
Hey
Susan
I
had
a
miscommunication
about
which
meetings
were,
which
weeks
when
we.
B
B
So
just
I
don't
know
if
you
commented
about
it,
but
I
think
that
to
like
two
levels,
one
is:
let's
see
the
technical
level,
how
to
compute
the
matrix
and
so
on,
which
is
the
one
in
which
we
are
working
more
now
and
the
other
one
is
how
to
interpret
the
matrix
and
I.
Think
that's
where
you
mentioned
the
convenience
of
having
people
more
involved
in
communities
and
so
on,
so
that
we
can
really
produce
useful
metrics
for
them
and
I
think
that
we
still
need
to
walk
in
them
in
the
two
levels.
F
C
E
F
F
The
chaff
here
in
the
talk
we
can
make
great
things,
but
Miriam
isn't
something
that
the
:
on
your
quiz
and
build
upon
me,
but
basically,
in
terms
of
the
metrics,
as
Nicole
mentioned,
we
keep
evolving.
So
we
successfully
got
an
agreement,
all
the
goals
that
we
wanted
to
match
for
the
questions
and
metrics,
and
thank
you
very
much
Gary
for
your
work.
F
But
you
know
together
in
background
format,
so
we
are
right
now
discussing
in
the
other
Pacific
pull
request,
and
indeed
there
are
two
to
three
open
questions
in
that
public
verse
that
I
have
to
discuss
with
all
of
you
here.
It's
basically
well
the
first
one,
some
diversity,
inclusion
metric.
Well,
some
diversity
metrics
were
already
found
in
the
metrics
committee,
basically
how
to
merge
everything
as
far
as
I
remember-
or
at
least
they
have,
in
my
mind,
idea
of
basically
overriding
everything
and
having
the
us-
the
diversity,
inclusion,
metrics,
but
maybe
I'm
wrong
here.
F
F
A
What
she,
what
she
wrote
in
his
email,
so
maverick
while
I,
won't
make
it
to
tomorrow's
meeting.
I
would
really
like
to
start
a
discussion
of
how
we
go
about
deciding
which
metrics
are
part
of
a
category,
for
example,
growth
which
in
decline,
risk
diversity,
inclusion
or
value.
Maybe
we
decide
that
it's
the
judgment
of
the
working
groups
or
that
an
approve
pull
request
to
the
category
is
sufficient
to
date.
It
has
been
very
informal.
A
A
So
if
no
one
has
anything,
I
can
share
my
opinion.
I
I
was
I'm
on
the
depression
that
we
started.
The
work
groups
as
the
stewards
of
each
category
and
with
that
I
think
that
work
groups
are
the
ones
who
decide
what
metrics
go
into
a
category
or
not
into
category
and
when
they
make
changes
and
post
it
to
the
metrics
repository.
That
is
a
way
to
open
up
the
conversation
with
the
larger
audience.
A
A
B
Well,
maybe
we
need
to
formalize
a
bit
when
the
working
groups
are
actually
proposing
metrics,
because
right
now
we
have
discussions
in
the
welcome
in
the
working
groups
and
supposedly
at
some
point,
we
do
like
our
freezer
release
and
upload
that
information
to
the
metric
repository.
Maybe
that
should
be
the
moment
for
everybody
involved
in
the
metrics
committee,
should
be
commenting
on
what
the
working
group
is
producing
and,
on
the
other
hand,
I
don't
see
a
problem
if
similar
metrics
are
used
by
different
working
groups
with
different
aims.
B
So
we
really
don't
meet
all
the
tests
and
rice
saying
a
certain
metric
needs
to
belong
to
a
certain
category
or
to
certain
working
group,
or
something
like
that.
So
each
of
the
working
groups
should
be
producing
a
comprehensive
view,
but
the
goals,
and
then
we
may
try
or
not,
to
put
similar
metrics
into
context
in
the
metrics
committee
when
they
upload
the
stable
releases,
let's
say
of
what
they
are
doing
so
that
we
can
avoid
discussing
once
and
again
the
same
step.
What
do
you
think.
C
I
think
the
so
if
the
metrics
committees
are
functioning
in
a
in
a
way
where
they're
building
examples
as
they
go
along.
So
if
diversity
and
inclusion
is
building
example
metrics,
then,
then
that
discussion
is
going
to
happen
by
default
right
inside
the
working
group.
I.
Think
it's
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
The
work
exists
instead
of
the
metric
definitions
separated
from
the
technical
work
of
implementing
it
right,
so
I
think
what
you're
saying
should
work
I,
think
that
sounds
workable.
F
I
agree
with
all
the
comments.
Basically
so
females
throughout
here
I
would
say
is
basically
the
working
group
is
the
one
defined
in
the
matrix
and
then
we'll
note.
We
move
everything
through
upstream.
That
should
be
the
metrics
community
in
somehow
work
there
right
right
there,
because
I
foresee,
for
instance,
so
we
were
discussing
about
diversity,
inclusion
that
this
came
from
abroad.
Of
discussing
that
it's,
what
does
it
mean
diversity
for
some
people
in
the
metrics
committee
and
Valhalla
discussion?
F
A
F
Would
say
that
the
the
the
working
group
of
diversity,
inclusion
shouldn't
focus
on
diversity,
on
educational
diversity,
for
instance,
but
perhaps
in
the
future
there
will
be
some
more
diversity
working
group
where
people
tend
to
work
on
other
definitions
for
diversity,
I
mean-
and
there
are
people
indeed
that
were
interested
in
that,
but
is
that
part
of
the
they
burst
in
inclusive
working
group?
I?
Don't
think
so.
I.
F
Wanted
to
mention
about
this,
that
Nicole
was
having
some
comments,
which
had
said
basically
she
mentioned
that
we
are
continuing
working
on
the
metrics
at
every
step.
This
is
our
discussion
that
we
have
right
now,
Nicole
and
I.
Think
gay
or
you
are
gonna
present
tomorrow.
This
work
to
a
mass
community
right,
okay,
so
would
be
great
to
have
feedback.
F
F
F
A
A
F
A
B
Think,
as
far
as
I
know,
not
in
my
special
sanctions,
he
can
say
vary,
but
I
think
that
Akoo
is
in
giving
some
more
functionality.
From
the
modular
point
of
view.
You
know
that
there
in
the
last
30
months,
two
new
tools
came
into
the
tool
set
three
three
new
tools:
one
for
lingua
Terra
identities,
another
one
for
dealing
with
project
and
the
latest
one,
a
library
for
eg
in
whole
and
which
indexes
are
produced,
and
it
is
business
as
usual.
I
mean
fixing
bugs
and
improving
functionality,
and
that
kind
of
step.
C
Yeah
we're
building
a
release
of
order
right
now,
that's
got
a
lot
of
additional
repo
based
functionalities
in
it,
so
that
people
can
configure
a
set
of
repositories
and
produce
a
whole
bunch
of
new
metrics,
and
we
have
built
out
all
of
the
metrics
in
growth
maturity
decline
that
are
defined.
Clearly,
there's
some
things
like
I've
put
a
couple
issues
in
around
like
what
a
sub
project
is
and
how
we
wanted
to
fine
that,
but
the
things
that
we
had
a
clear
understanding
of.
We
don't
want
it
at
this
point.