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CHAOSS.Value.August.13.2020
A
So
it
was
a
always
a
beefy
metric
and
we're
realizing
it
it's
kind
of
a
whole
new
category
where
next
steps
we're
going
to
be
moving
it
toward
more
of
a
program
based
on
the
assessment
being
used
and
figuring
out
how
to
incorporate
programs
into
our
website,
so
that
people
can
see
this
really
extensive.
Useful
playbook
of
you
know
effectively
measuring
the
the
conversation
in
your
community
through
qualitative
and
quantitative
data,
but
for
us
it's
definitely
out
of
scope
as
an
individual
metric.
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A
B
C
B
G
A
A
F
I
don't
see
oh
yeah,
oh
wow
they're,
just
like
I
had
a
woodpecker
the
other
day
and
I
have
an
abandoned
children's
play
port
like
with
a
slide
in
my
backyard.
That
is
like
a
squirrel
condo
during
the
day,
so
it's
just
like
squirrels
all
over
it
all
day
long,
and
I
can
see
it
out
of
the
corner
of
my
window
and
I'm
like
this
is
hilarious.
F
B
So
the
I
will
teach
you
so,
as
I
was
kind
of
saying,
so
we
have
three
programs
and
one
would
be
the
scms
program
and
so
for
the
other
two
programs,
I
kind
of
see
matt
snell
as
being
a
person
who
can
help
kind
of
shepherd
that
project
along.
Of
course,
other
people
will
be
involved,
but
we
have
somebody
who
can
kind
of
attend
to
new
issues
or
pars
around
the
program.
You
know
as
it
changes
over
time
and
then
with
the
community
reports.
B
I
had
asked
vanad
to
kind
of
help
shepherd
that
process
along
right.
So
as
we
produce
those
reports,
so
should
we
ask
dylan
or
vinya
like
what
how
they
can
commit
to
making
sure
that
that
project
gets
shepherded
along
because
one
of
the
things
we're
pretty
attentive
to
in
the
chaos
project
is
not
having
kind
of
untended
two
areas
yeah
of
the
project.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
pretty
important.
F
B
A
F
A
Right,
yeah,
I'm
just
kind
of
gleaning,
this
definition
of
a
program
by
our
own
standards.
From
from
these
examples
of
like
okay,
there
there's
a
it's
a
thing:
that's
more
complex
than
an
individual
metric,
or
even
just
a
small
collection
of
metrics.
It's
like
something
we
were
offering
with
some
sort
of
service.
You
know
interface
to
it,
to
use
that
term
loosely
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
we
also
are
assigning
like
we
have
somebody.
A
F
I
guess
I
would
I
would
go
ahead.
I
guess
I
was
thinking
if
it's
a
chaos
program
and
how
chaos
has
to
have
a
mechanism
for
performing
the
work
or
a
knowledge
of
the
processes,
and
so
that
could
be
working.
I
mean,
I
know,
she's
got
a
private
enterprise,
but
everybody
involved
in
chaos
does
but
working
to
some
extent
through
chaos
to
make
that
a
program
that
exists
in
some
way
within
chaos.
A
Yeah,
like
the
kid
maintained
as
part
of
sst,
let's
say
like
one
of
the
example
things
like:
maybe
it's
the
air
table,
or
or
maybe
it's
just
the
document
itself
like
we're,
we're
maintaining
this
methodology
and
a
good
template
for
you
to
run
with.
If
you
want
to
run
with
it
yourself
go
for
it,
we
can
maybe
even
ensure
it's
under
creative
commons,
like
it's,
it's
clearly
denoted
as
creative
commons,
so
it
fits
into
our
open
source
nature
here
and
then
separately.
B
Yeah
no
and
that
works
I
think,
yeah
that
works,
and
I
think
that
follows
just
what
sean
was
talking
about.
Like
there's
the
grimore
lab
like.
If
you
have
a
question
about
the
software,
you
can
join
the
community
call,
you
can
join
the
grimore
lab
calls,
but
if
you
really
want
to
deploy
this
in
a
kind
of
an
extensive
or
an
enterprise
way
you'd,
this
isn't
the
place
to
do
it.
Yeah
yeah.
A
A
A
It's
definitely
out
of,
I
feel
like
we're
a
bit.
I
love
the
nature
of
value
group,
but
we
always
end
up
having
to
think
about
the
whole
chaos
project
a
little
bit.
So
I
I
guess
I
lost
track
of
this
thread.
Is
there
already
an
issue
in
like
the
governance
repo
on
like
what
we
were
talking
about
around
programs
forward
to
the
eye,
for
I'm
trying
to
think.
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F
F
B
A
Yeah,
I
was
trying
to
think
like
how
do
I
you
know
I
I
may
be.
I
have
a
recency
bias,
so
we're
just
talking.
We
just
did
an
assessment
on
how
people
like
to
interact
with
information.
It's
like
you
want
to
make
a
decision
as
soon
as
you
heard
something
or
the
kind
of
person
that
likes
to
think
on
it
and
respond
later.
B
F
Maybe
that
scms
is
a
program
that
requires
its
own
meetings,
because
the
community
reports
and
the
badging
program
have
both
had
separate-
maybe
perhaps
not
routine
meetings,
but
I've
had
a
group
of
core
people
working
on
those
things
who
lead
periodically
under
the
chaos
umbrella-
and
I
I
mean
my
concern
is
just
making
sure
that
we
get
they're
engaged
and
they
feel
supported
and
that
what
we're
doing
is
all
part
of
the
chaos
community.
There
are
parts
of
it
that
are
clear
that
become
chaos,
value
items.
A
Yeah
I
like
that
idea
of
separating
it
from
our
discussion
of
like
how
do
programs
work
in
chaos.
Like
that's
a
great
one
for
the
weekly
meeting
versus
scms
tactics
like
but
yeah
we
have
to.
We
have
to
talk
to
benny
and
dylan
separately
about
that
make
sure
it
works
for
them.
But
I
think
we're
like
still
coming
to
the
same
sort
of
consensus
on
what
a
program
is
and
should
talk
to
other
other
group
leads
and
members
in
our
weekly
meetings.
A
B
B
C
B
Yeah
so
saying
not
like
what
is
it,
but
how
do
you
define
social
value
because
it
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things
to
a
lot
of
different
people,
and
so
I
think
the
the
my
request
here
is
that
we
find
a
definition
for
social
value
that
we
aim
at,
so
that
we
can
define
metrics.
That
can
provide
insight
on
that
definition.
A
G
B
In
our
definition,
then
it
can
provide
context,
and
if
somebody
interprets
social
value
slightly
differently,
then
we
can
say
that's
great,
but
that's
just
not
those
aren't
the
bounds
of
how
we're
coming
to
understand
social
value,
at
least
in
the
chaos
project.
For
now
yeah
they're
they're
guide,
but
they're,
not
the
full
scope.
Is
that
fair
yeah?
It
gives
us
a
defensible
logic.
I
So
I
looked
at
I
I
did
some
looking
around
in
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
I
was
brought
up
and
had
a
following
for
social
value
that
I
did
not
expect
so
there's
like
a
social
value
conference.
There's
organizations
for
standards
for
social
value.
I
just
dropped
one
of
the
links
in
here
that
so
what
is
social
value?
I
I
D
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F
Social,
I,
like
the
bolded
one.
Social
value
is
about
the
long-term
well-being,
especially
individuals,
communities
and
society,
and
I
think
at
some
point
we
have
to
interject
how
it's
related
to
production
of
goods
and
particularly
open
goods,
including
software
data
and
other
items
of
value
that
search
so
our
social
value.
That's
a
good
definition
of
social
value.
I
think
our
purpose
is
to
define
metrics
programs,
software
and
other
things
that
serve
how
the
internet,
in
general
advances
social
value.
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H
B
B
I
A
F
B
A
I
I
A
C
A
F
A
B
G
A
G
G
H
B
F
G
F
B
F
A
D
B
A
Assumes
objectivity
in
a
sense
and
consistency
that
we
can't
really
rely
on.
That's
why
I'm
almost
leaning
more
towards
the
ford
foundation
terminology,
because
it
uses
terms
that
are
are
more
direct
instead
of
saying
societal
like
we
are
a
society
that
I
I
may
be
presuming
a
lot
of
the
seven
heads
on
this
call,
but
we
probably
lean
towards
strengthening
democratic
values,
as
opposed
to
like
fascist
values,
social
justice,
trans.
F
C
F
F
Social
value,
I
think,
is
a
new
construct
that
hasn't
been
widely
promoted
and
is
open
to
some
interpretation.
Let's
thought
of
what
you
want
to
come
in
and
try
to
define
too
right,
so
we
have
more
latitude
and
less
baggage
with
social
value
than
the
social
justice,
but
can
someone
paste
before
definition.
I
But
I
I
wanted
to
mention
that
a
lot
of
these
definitions
are
mentioning
different
tiers
of
social
value
as
they
go
so
you're,
seeing
like
individuals,
communities
in
society,
we're
seeing
different
ways
that
your
poverty
and
injustice
strengthen
democratic
values,
promote
international
cooperation.
So
it
sounds
like
whatever
we
land
on
a
lot
of
different
things
that
we're
measuring
within
that
social
value
spectrum,
and
then
we
we
can
use
those
as
the
metrics,
possibly
because
there
would
be
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
right.
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A
I
K
B
G
K
F
F
F
H
C
F
A
There's
certainly
enough
space
if
to
do
so.
If
we
felt
like
that
was
the
direction
the
group
was
going,
I
don't
think
there's
the
demand
but
like
our
goal
is
to
be
able
to
encompass
future
demand
and
concepts
within
the
the
definition
of
value.
It's
my
understanding,
yeah.
So
I
don't
know
I
I
guess
I
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
don't
think
that
means
we
need
to
go.
Fill
that
all
that
gap,
we're
just
trying
to.
K
I
agree
because
I
think
we're
you
know
the
word
value
and
we
like
most
of
it,
has
been
economic
value
and
financial
value
to
companies
and
such,
and
so
this
is
like
completely
different
segment
of
value,
but
it's
like
you
said
it's
large
enough
that
I
think
it
could.
It
could
merit
its
own
group.
This
is
it
so
deep
and
complicated.
B
A
Oh
absolutely
yeah.
I
think
this
is
a
fine
home
for
it
and
there's
not
I
mean
there's
not
enough
demand
to
be
honest,
like
what
we'll
we'll
do,
a
cursory
effort
to
get
some
metrics
in
there
and
hopefully
that'll
attract
some
attention
and
further
contribution,
and
if
that
spins
off,
then
we've
got
room
there's
only
six
six
in
the
room
right
now,
there's
plenty
of
time
to
talk
about
it
here,
yeah
see
what
happens
after
that.