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A
A
A
All
right,
let's
see
what
so
we
banned.
Are
you
facilitating
this
one
yep
all
right,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
B
Thank
you,
sean,
so
first
thing
in
the
agenda
is
metric
release
fees,
which
is
on
september
1st.
We
have
already
released
two
metrics
and
third,
one
was
fear
in
the
list.
I
am
not
sure
what
is
the
progress
on
the
fair
metric
so
whether
we
focus
on
it
as
releasing
like
to
release
or
just
do
it
as
a
normal
pace.
A
I
suppose
it
may
I
mean
if,
unless
there's
other
items
on
the
agenda,
that
I
don't
see,
I
I
guess
take
a
look
at
the
fairmetric.
Is
it
like
nothing
right
now.
C
A
I
so
maybe
maybe
we.
B
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
There's
a
a
couple.
Other
action
items
yep
so
yeah
sean
did
not
do
that.
D
First,
sorry,
do
we
know
if
the
two
metrics
that
we
have
released
did
we
like
put
the
checklist
in
the
issue
and
make
sure
there's
like
an
issue.
B
B
Checklist
was
decided
yesterday
that
we
are
going
to
put
I
I
think
it
was
decided
yesterday
or
day
before
yesterday,
that
we
are
going
to
put
it
in
all
the
issues.
That's
all
the
release
so
yeah,
I
haven't
put
it
so
I'm
assuming
it's
not
there.
D
What
we
did
you
know
was
was
to
just
go
through
and
make
sure
that
everything
was
ready
for
the
free.
A
Yeah,
so
let's
go
ahead,
and
let's
just
do
that
right
now.
It's
it's
chaos.
Where
is
the
temp?
Is
the
template
under
governance
or
metrics.
B
And
metrics
right
matrix.
B
C
B
A
All
right
see
I'll
release
candidates,
yes,
metro
college,
I
think,
did
we
just
go
through
and
put
x's
in
the
markdown
or.
B
B
I
think
no,
I
I'll
I
repo.
Let
me
check
in
the
translation.
B
Yes,
I
have
created
the
issue
for
one
of
the
metrics.
We
we
can
check
it
in
the.
Can
you
open
the
next
tab
and
check
in
the
kiosk
community.
E
B
C
B
Was
like
it
should
be
github,
but
we
have
posted
a
website
so
that.
C
A
A
A
B
Yes,
it
is
there
because
we
created
the
academic
focus
area
when
we
were
releasing
this
all.
A
Right
and
sure
tables
with
the
metric
are
converted
to
an
image.
I
don't
know
that
we
had
any
tables.
No,
we
don't
have
any
table
in
the
matrix
all
right
and
then
I
can
yep
and
get
rid
of
this
right,
because
this
is
what
was
there.
C
Yep
we
can.
Yes,
you
can
delete
them,
update
that.
B
B
B
B
B
A
A
A
C
A
A
Okay,
so
now
now
you
are
able
to
administer
this
repository
I'll.
Do
all
the
things
you
have
to
accept,
an
invite
which
github
sends
in
the
form
of
an
email.
B
A
So
once
you
do
that
you'll
be
able
to
maintain
it,
but
yeah
annoyingly.
It
does
not.
Let
us
do
that
until
right.
E
B
A
C
B
A
Link,
I
hope
you
don't
see
my
pop-up
messages
in
the
browser.
Nope,
that's
good.
B
D
A
For
that
very
reason:
okay.
Okay,
so
we've
got
the
issue.
This
is
the
issue,
so
that's
kind
of
self
pull
request
or
it's
in
the
repo.
B
B
A
A
A
B
A
Yeah
we
can
do
that
right
now.
Actually.
A
C
A
C
B
So
so
I
I
think
github
is
also
providing
a
tool
as
a
citation.
So
will
that
be
a
tool
providing
the.
A
A
B
E
A
B
You
have
to
create
a
file,
you
have
to
create
up
that
ci
file
and
then
add
those
citations
over
there.
A
Alright,
so
I
have
to
commit
changes
to
a
patch
and
then
create
a
pull
request.
I
think
we
should
change
our
primary
branch
to
maine,
but
I
will
let
others
deal
with
that,
really
that
it
wasn't
very
hard.
The
hardest
part
for
augur
was
when
I
realized,
like
documentation,
didn't
need
to
be
upstate,
updated
needed
to
be
updated.
A
B
A
B
Okay,
insert
an
example:
go
to
click
that
insert
an
exam
insert
example.
A
A
I
wonder
if
we
can
do
it
without
any
like
like
if
we
don't
like,
if
this
isn't
required,.
A
A
B
Have
to
add
that
value,
like
name
value,
if.
E
B
Go
if
you
go
to
this
file,
citation.cff.
B
Family
name,
but
it's
not
just
name,
you
know
first
or
last
name
or
anything,
something
like
that.
B
If
you
go
back
to
that
template
and
see
how
they
are
naming
the
people
yeah.
A
D
No,
you
kept
title,
but
it's
the
given
name.
I
think
that
you
want.
A
E
E
A
E
A
B
A
A
B
A
D
No,
I
think
it's
right,
but
like
the
it's
not
gonna
ever
expand
the
chaos
community.
I
guess
right.
It's
comma
sp.
A
B
D
B
First
name
is
always
pointed
so
if
you
remember
sean
whenever
I
can
cite
your
article
it'll
be.
B
A
B
D
A
A
Value
wg,
it's
fine
I'd
say
I
don't
see
how
to
sign
off
here.
E
A
B
A
C
B
B
A
It's
certainly
worth
looking
at
in
the
future,
but
not
without
any
prior
knowledge
of
people
who
did
it
yep.
B
B
We
have
one
more
item
which
nico's
was
supposed
to
work
on,
but
I
don't
see
nico's
in
the
meeting
so.
E
B
A
This
metric
process
yeah
metric
model,
so
I
think
I
think
I
met
with
the
app
ecosystem
working
group
on
monday
and
then
the
the
metrics
modeling
working
group
on
tuesday.
E
A
Between
the
two
of
them,
I
think
what
we
think
metrics
models
we
have.
We
have
more
clarity
about
what
they
are
yeah,
which,
which
is
they
would
be
aggregations
of
already
developed
chaos
metrics.
This
is
slightly
different
than
the
way
that
the
app
ecosystem
working
group
has
approached.
It.
They've
done
a
goal,
question
metric
hierarchy,
but
they
have
never
fleshed
out
the
full
metric.
A
I
have
a
question
that
I
want
to
answer
and-
and
I
had
to
leave
for
family
reasons
at
the
end,
but
we
can
call
them
use
cases.
We
can
call
them
mock
models,
there's
a
few
other
words.
I
think
that
that
came
up,
but
essentially
they
are
collections
of
metrics
that
are
commonly
used
together
and
really
I
I
think
we
want
to
start
by
looking
at
how
people
are
implementing
these
metrics
in
practice.
Practice.
B
Right
so
the
question
was
that
was
game
last
time
in
this
meeting
was
like,
should
we
develop
this
model
and
then
give
it
to
the
metric
model,
or
should
we
just
give
them
because
they
make
this
context
which
value
working
group
have
like
these.
A
A
A
In
my
view,
these
are
clearly
ones
that
are
likely
to
be
used
together
and
because
they
are
likely
to
be
used
together.
That
is
likely
a
model,
but
a
better,
so
it's
like-
and
this
would
be
sort
of
on
our
part-
a
speculative
model,
because
no
one's
actually
deployed
that
set
of
metrics
in
the
tool.
A
A
A
model,
the
collection
we
call
a
model
or
a
use
case,
we
call
a
model,
etc
and
then-
and
I
think
this
you
know
used
in
practice-
so
I
think
one
in
many
cases
we're
defining
metrics.
We
don't
look
back
and
define
how
they
are
used
in
practice,
so
it
would
be,
I
think,
helpful
to
do
that.
A
B
A
Okay,
we
could
also
like
okay,
so.
B
Popularity
can
be
a
part
of
that
so
model
that,
because
how
popular
is
academic
practitioner
who
has
developed
a
software
or
something
or
like
how
popular
is
the
software
that
they
have
developed.
B
A
C
B
Will
be
like
metrics,
currently
in
development,
for
academic,
for
working
or
focus
area
are
likely
to
be
included
in
the
research
and
application
say
that
again,
matrix
currently
in
the
development
of
academic
focus
area
will
be
likely
to
be.
A
And
I
think
when
I
look
at
this,
when
I
look
at
this
spreadsheet,
I
think
understanding,
labor
investment
and
project
velocity
about
velocity
are
things
that
are
likely
to
go
together.
A
And
organizational
skill
demand
and
job
opportunities
now
these
two
are
harder
to
measure
yeah
with
tools
just
for
a
wild
number
of
reasons,
but
we
could
also
propose
a
model.
That's
a
you
know,
project
value.
You
know
it
would
be
a
maybe
a
model,
something
like
project
valuation,
so
the
labor
investment
to
date
is
one
dimension
of
project
valuation.
E
E
A
B
B
I
borrowed
this
from
vesselman's
paper,
which
is.
E
B
A
Know
I
actually
am
I'm
going
through
an
experience
right
now
that
I
think
that
will
be,
I
think,
will
be
highly
valuable
for
actually
fleshing
this
out.
I'm
working
with
a
couple
of
organizations
to
make
auger
easily
deployed
by
devops
folks,
yeah,
and
I
think
through
that
process
the
I
mean
it's,
I'm
never
gonna
make
agar
a
business
because
I
don't
need
that
kind
of
problem,
but
but.
B
B
A
A
B
Yeah
that
was
assigned
to
nico
so.
A
Okay,
let
that
be
organizational
focus
area.
B
That
is
the
next
two
things
which
were
discussed
last
time
and
where
def
needs
to
be
worked
on
like
what.
A
A
But
then
I
think
maybe
we
try
to
come
back
to
this
fair
metric
yep
suffer
and
it's
really
software
citations
and
I'll
keep
I'll.
Keep
my
action
item
on
that
so
that
I'm
accountable.
B
A
And
it
looks
like
we
have
two
standard.
I
like
this
is
a
very
well
done
agenda.
I
like
this.
These
two
standard
items
at
the
bottom
here.