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A
A
D
We
should
talk.
We
have
talked
about
that
for
a
moment.
D
E
B
D
Yeah,
it's
really
and
it's
also
a
potential
opportunity
to
leverage
some
of
the
work
that
you've
done
and
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
have.
E
So
yes,
yes,
so
that
would
be.
We
should
rebook
with
mike.
B
We
have
at
least
one
more
year
of
funding,
and
the
university
has
blessed
me
to
go
big
game
hunting
and
I
have
my
first
first
meeting
with
the
the
development
and
advancement
team
in
january.
So
I
think.
D
D
Yeah,
I
think
yeah
so
yeah
once
I
once
I
get
some
software
maintainers
to
help
me,
I've
got
students,
but
they
are
in
computer
science
and
it's
been
a
really
hard
semester.
It's
the
first
semester
back,
it's
like
readjusting
to
everything
for
our
students.
I
don't
know
about
yours.
D
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
to
the
agenda,
in
addition
to
fair
and
is
tidying,
and
we
can.
We
should
talk
about
fair,
at
least
but
tidying
up
the
value,
repository
and
spreadsheet,
and
I'm
just
typing
down
here.
A
I
would
say
all
these
are
updated,
except
we
have
some
open
issues
that
needs
to
be
looked
on
like
other
than
this.
I've
been
regularly
following
and
maintaining
the
repo
for
value
so
excel
excel
sheet
is
updated.
I
have
been
following
it
and
the
google
docs
and
the
release
and
the
checklist
are
all
updated.
It's
just.
We
have
some
open
issues
that
needs
to
be
reviewed,
like
those
older,
open
issues
that
we
have
to
decide
whether
we
want
to
continue
with
them
or
what
like.
As
a
group,
we
have
to
decide
those
okay.
D
Yeah,
it's
just
some
end
of
the
year,
tidying
yeah
that
we
don't
have
to
do
in
this
meeting,
but
we
should
and
you,
if
you've
been
keeping
up-
that's
great.
We
yesterday
matt
went
through
the
dei
working
group
and
there
was-
and
I
think
this
will
be
the
case
in
evolution
as
well.
There
are
a
number
of
metrics
that
we'd
been
working
on
when
we
transitioned
to
google
spreadsheets
or
google,
google
docs
and
the
spreadsheet
links
and
google
docs
never
got
updated.
F
D
A
I
have
one
more
thing
on
the
agenda
beside
this.
If
you're
done
with
this,
so
I
have
one
thing
which
is
like
planning
for
the
next
year
what
we
want
to
do
or
accomplish
next
year.
So
one
thing
in
this
valley
working
group
meeting
I've
observed
is
we
have
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
we
are
developing
very
less
so
like
in
last
release.
A
We
just
released
one
metric,
and
so
so
that
is
why,
like
we
should
have
some
kind
of
a
goal
that
we
should
focus,
that
these
are
the
few
things
that
we'll
try
to
accomplish,
at
least
in
one
release
or
something
like
that.
D
All
right
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
some
of
these
fair
metrics
are
on
the
table
for
that:
okay,
okay,.
C
At
the
spreadsheet
or
not,
or
what
do
you
think,
I
think
we
can
take
a
look
at
the
spreadsheet
too.
Do
you
want
me
to
share
the.
D
Just
meant
for
having
a
this
common,
this
thing
that
you
were
mentioning
the
goals.
A
A
So
here
are
the
value
metric,
the
list
which
we
are
considering
or
have
in
the
list,
but.
D
D
D
Then
one
of
the
tasks
would
be
then
just
to
change
the
link
to
the
github.
So
instead
of
having,
instead
of
pointing
the
metric
in
the
spreadsheet.
D
We
want
to
point
it
to
the
github
repository
and
just
github
or
the
website
github.
That's
that's!
What,
if
you
look
at
the
dei
tab,
that's
what
they
did
and
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
because
if
anybody
wants
to
make
a
comment
on
the
metric
from
the
spreadsheet,
that
would
be
the
place
to
do
it
is
to
create
an
issue
in
the
repo
okay,
yep
electrics.
F
B
E
G
A
These
were
the
two
just
came
out
of
the
discussion
when
we
were
working
on
this
organization
influence
organizational
value.
This
organization
influence
metric
when
we
were
discussing
that
these
two
came
out
of
that
discussion
to
work.
C
D
D
D
D
Other
ones
aren't
important,
I
think
they
are
but
right
since
we
haven't,
I
don't
know
if
we
did,
we
release
academic,
open
source
project
impact.
B
To
address
that
stuff,
you
know
every
time
I
turn
around.
I
find
more
things
going
on
in
the
space,
which
is
why
I
dumped
that
horrendous
list
of
stuff
in
the
notes
last
week
in
the
notes,
and
in
fact
somebody
put
them
in
the
notes
for
me,
I
emailed
them,
because
I
didn't
know
whether
it
was
appropriate
to
blow
them
in
there
somewhere
else.
So
thank
you
for
whoever
did
that.
B
And
there's
this
dora
group,
you
know
they
held
these
two
like
community
meetings
and
got
this
huge
like
core
dump
of
stuff
like
this,
that
they're
about
to
ship
out
and-
and
I
almost
feel
like-
we
essentially
need
like
a
book
club
session
too
right.
We
need
to
need
to
kind
of
try
to
go
through
this
stuff
and
absorb
it
and
then
reflect
back.
B
You
know,
there's
so
much
happening
that
to
kind
of
just
pretend
that's
not
there,
and
and
do
our
own
thing
and
be
really
good.
I
think
to
see
where
the
other
thinking
is
going
so
maybe
and-
and
I
know
that
that
door
group
wants
to
come
to
a
value
meeting-
they
said
they
wanted
to
come.
Probably.
A
B
That
it
would
be
better
for
us
to
do
end
of
january
or
first
one
in
february,
and
then
that
would
give
us
time
to
kind
of
absorb
all
this
stuff
and
whatever
else
they
get
from
them
in
the
next
month,
because
they're
gonna,
they're
gonna
come
with
all
this
stuff
in
our
heads
in
their
heads
already
right,
they're.
On
top
of
all
these
things,.
A
B
B
I'll
leave
it
to
you
all
to
decide
and
I'll
I'll
leave
it
to
you
guys
to
do
the
invite
I'll
drop
her
invite
I'll
drop.
Her
email
address
in
the
notes.
F
A
I'm
not
sure
what
are
other
strong.
What
are
your
thoughts?
You
have
been
more
involved
in
the
fair
meetings
and.
D
Stephen,
you
know,
I
think
me,
you
know
trying
to
sift
through
this
stuff
is
part
of
what
I
was
said.
I
would
do
for
this
meeting,
but
I
didn't
so
right
now.
I
have
a
month
part
of
my
evil
plan
and
I
think,
maybe
during
that
month,.
D
A
So
then
the
for
I,
I
think
the
takeaway
is
like
we'll
focus
on
the
fair
metric
or
academic
site
and
we'll
keep
on
developing
as
and
when
the
discussion
happens,
and
things
become
more
clear
to
us.
A
A
And
what
are
the
we
don't
have
any
other
thing
in
the
agenda
as
of
today
so
or
we
can
just
clean
the
repository.
Look
at
the
old
issues
and
clear
them
that
is
workable.
B
A
A
A
A
B
So
I
just
noticed
that
next
year's
ospo
con
june-
I
think
austin
in
june.
Yes,
does
this
chaos
come
regularly
kind
of
bolt
onto
that.
D
Yep
that
we
talked
about
that
at
the
community
meeting
yesterday,
okay-
and
I
think
the
answer
is
yes-
we're
going
to
do
that,
pending
the
omicron
variant
and
others
and
how
that
affects
everything.
B
D
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
I
think
I
think
I
have
some
to
do
with
stephen
following
up,
and
I
also
think
the
fair,
fair
stuff
for
our
january
meeting:
okay,
cool
and
monot.
If
you're
gonna
take
on,
are
you
gonna
take
on
the
ticking
and
tying
of
the
spreadsheet?
D
Yes
I'll
do
that,
and
if
you
have
any
doubt
about
how
to
do
it,
the
dei
tab
is
already
and
the
dei
repository
is
already
fully
tidied.
So
it
would
well.
I
shouldn't
say
that
the
spreadsheet's
fully
tidied
and
matt
is
going
to
issue
a
pull
request
into
it
with
the
with
the
basically
the
metric.
Excuse
me,
the
metrics.
He
moved
from
github
back
into
spreadsheets
that
weren't
here
weren't
yet
or
back
into
google
docs
that
weren't
yet
released.
D
C
D
A
Yep,
no
I'll
I'll
I'll,
update
this
value
repo
spreadsheet
and
get
it
fixed
and
and
get
it
aligned
with
that.
A
B
H
A
D
Oh,
that's,
I
didn't
create,
I
think,
oh
okay,
yes,
so
this
is.
This
is
for
contributor
net
recommendability.
D
I
looks
like
we
were
working
on
this
in
september,
so
this
is
the
checklist
that
george,
I
think
was
georg
and
kevin
developed
for
metrics
release,
process
and.
F
D
Did
was
create
the
issue
because
the
issues
for
metric
release-
and
it
looks
like
this-
is
just
labeled-
a
metric
idea
right
now
right,
so
I
think
so,
okay,
here's
what
I
think
I
did.
I
think
I
created
this
issue
because
at
the
time
of
the
last
release
or
the
release
before
this
one,
we
just
maybe
yes-
it
was
around
the
time
of
the
last
release.
D
You
had
this
sort
of
circular
logic
of.
When
do
I
create
the
issue?
When
do
I
create
the
right,
the
pull
request
and
all
the
things,
and
so
by
creating
the
issue
pointing
to
the
google
doc?
First,
I
had
the
issue
number
to
put
into
the
metric
in
github,
and
then
I
could
just
go
back
and
edit
the
description
to
point
to
the
repository
after
that.
That
was
the
rough
workflow
that
was
in
my
head.
When
I
did
that
back
in
september,
which
honestly
seems
like
forever
ago.
D
I
I
forget
where
it
came
from,
but
I
think
I
think
you
know,
alongside
the
fair
metrics,
this
is
probably
one
that
we
want
to.
Okay,.
A
A
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know,
should
we
continue
with
this
or
should
I
reach
out
to
nico?
A
Okay,
so
yeah
next
year,
I'll
reach
out
to
nikko
and
see
if
he
wants
to
pursue
this,
so
that
we
can
continue.
A
A
Yeah
influence
was
the
one
yep.
This
is
the
one
organization
influence.
A
A
I
Sorry,
I
think
we
can
close
that,
but
we
need
to
have
one
for
the
next
release
open.
A
Okay,
so
now
like
okay,
so
what
should
I
write?
Metrics
are
already
released.
We
need
to
open
the
new
one
for
the
next
release.
I
F
A
A
Was
this
starting
with
the
organization
focus
area,
but
I
am
also
very
interested
in
what
this
would
look
like
for
proposal
proposed
academic
focus
area.
D
Yeah,
yes,
that's
that's
the
thing
that
I
need
to
work
on
for
you
and
for
others.
So
I
I
have
quite
the
quite
the
list.
D
That's
a
good
question
because
so
that's
a
really
good
question,
because
I
think
metrics
models
are
actually
going
to
like
regava
at
unl
and
I
are
working
on
operationalizing
the
metrics
model
you
proposed
in
that
working
group
elizabeth
in
some
jupiter
notebooks
and
for
next
tuesday's
meeting
and
and
so
our
our
primary
aim.
D
There
is
to
provide
a
fleshed-out
sort
of
here's,
the
metrics
model
description
and
here's
a
worked
example
of
that
model
in
some
jupiter
notebooks
that
I
think
we
might
put
in
like
a
metrics
model
repository
at
some
point,
but
I
think
it
has.
But
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
gaba
and
I
have
not
done
is
then
like
traced,
each
of
the
metrics
that
we're
using
all
of
the
way
back
to
the
chaos
definition
right.
So
like
it's,
it's
sort
of
clear
because
you
laid
them
out
in
your
model
that
way.
D
So
it's
it's
probably
more
clear
than
I
than
I
just
said,
but
I
feel
like
that
needs
to
be
like,
like
that
worked
example.
Would
then
enable
working
groups
to
conceptualize
metrics
models
that
are
relevant
in
their
area.
So,
for
example,
if
we
get
do
you
were
you
around
for
the
what
was
that?
What
was
that
massive
metric
that
georg.
A
D
D
D
A
I
think
the
discussion
on
that
was
like
we
developed
a
matrix
and
a
feel
there
is
a
matrix
model
coming
from
those
metric.
We
can
develop
and
propose
it
to
the
metric
model
working
group.
Okay,
as
a
as
a
proposal
like
okay,
we
are
developing
these
metrics,
but
out
of
those
because
we
are
highly
involved
in
the
focus
area.
A
I
D
D
So
so
so
I
guess
my
long
description
of
what
ragav
and
I
are
doing
are
to
say
that
it's
not
clear
what
it
is
to
build
a
metrics
model
exactly
yet,
and
so
we're
trying
to
flesh
out
a
full
example,
so
that
listening
groups
and
others
are
able
to
make
sense
of
what
we're
doing
so.
We're.
I
guess
we're
trying
to
lay
down
a
format
and
a
process
and
enough
of
an
example
that
each
working
group
doesn't
go
about
interpreting.
What
a
metrics
model
is
in.
D
F
D
D
So
when
we
have
that
metrics
model
meeting,
I
think
that
will
that
will
be
a
key
one
for
hopefully
getting
us
launched
into
2022
with
more
metrics
models.
Far
and
wide
can
I,
as
far
as
the
eye
can
see
there'll
be
metrics
models
flowering
on
the
landscape
like
a.
A
D
A
C
A
D
I
guess
yeah,
I
think
there
should
be
a
column
to
indicate
where
the
work
is
being
done.
I'll
make
a
comment.
D
You
can't
see
that
I'm
typing
a
comment,
but
I
do
have
a
comment
on
there
and
maybe
I
should
take
german
prey
and
elizabeth
and
who
is
else.
F
D
I
see
this
as
a,
I
think,
I'm
the
one
that
said
hey.
I
see
this
as
a
metrics
model
that
value
could
be
developing,
okay
and
and
but
that
does
presume
a
way
that
the
models
come
to
be
that
maybe
maybe
it's
better.
If
the
metrics
model
working
group
developed
this
one,
we
would
have
to
develop
the
metrics
first.
F
D
I
D
I
agree
with.
I
would
agree
with
that
sentiment
that,
until
until
we
have
a
clearer
process
for
metrics
models,
leaving
it
here
will
prevent
it
from
getting
lost.
D
A
A
D
Likely
the
metrics
model
meeting,
possibly,
and
then
I
guess
see
you
all
in
a
month
yep
after
that
yep
all
right.
Thank
you.
I
guess
thank.