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CHAOSS.Value.October.25.2019
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Let's
see
what
we
have
on
the
agenda
so
far
is
this
is,
from
our
last
session,
two
stubs
to
discuss
a
social
currency
metric,
a
proposal
that
we
talked
about
briefly
last
meeting
we
thought-
maybe
maybe
today
we
would
be
in
a
position
where
we
can.
We
can
work
or
discuss
a
prototype
for
a
parameterised
metric.
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You
on
a
call
we're
on
the
Rihanna
phone.
We
did
that
last
week.
Yes,
I
was
yes
yeah
and
then
on
the
honor
of
calling
it.
Yesterday
we
did
another
one,
oh
all
right,
smoother
and
smoother,
so
I
think
if
you
just
come
to
the
otter
call,
it's
likely
we'll
end
up
getting
installed
every
time
yeah
and
as
we
get
through
the
I
think
we're
pretty
close.
Now
the
documentation
is
well
aware.
I'll
probably
do
this.
That
video.
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So
so
we
did
this
and
we
got
down
to
looks
like
they
did
some
more
more
since
we
spoke,
so
we
did
some
of
the
front-end.
The
implementation
part
is
movie
one
where
we
need
to
add
more
information,
and
so
we
don't
have
the
proposal
quite
ready.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it's
on
your
radar
and
know
that
it's
coming
and
if
you
have
early
people,
then
I
can
use
that
in
our
work.
When
we
refine
and
advance
the
metric
on
Sunday.
A
A
question
yes,
first
of
all,
I
think
this
is
this
is
interesting.
You
know
it's
interesting
to
measure.
You
know
some
of
these
I
guess
intangibles,
you
might
call
them
in
terms
of
you
know
how
strong
is
a
trust.
How
strong
are
the
shared
values,
how
free
to
communicate
and
those
sorts
of
things?
That's
interesting,
but
I
wonder.
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A
People
can
only
manage
around
a
couple
of
different
metrics.
You
know
they.
They
call
them
in
in
a
lot
of
communities
like
key
performance
indicators
and,
typically
when
you're
working
with
groups
you'll
find
that
all
the
minutes
are
activities
around
just
a
handful
of
of
key
performance
indicators.
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A
Would
be
things
that
you
would
look
at
that
would
support,
let's
say
a
key
performance
indicator
if
your
business
leader,
if
you're
looking
to
try
to
figure
out
where
you
should
allocate
capital,
you
know
across
a
portfolio
of
projects,
I,
don't
think
you
would
use
level
of
shared
trust
as
your
key
performance
indicator.
I,
don't
think,
and
so
what's
what's
interesting
to
me,
is
you
know
if
you
have
a
very
large
number
of
metrics,
you
know:
how
do
you
search
you
that?
How
do
you
search
that
metric
space
to
figure
out
what
it?
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Of
a
hundred
metrics
that
Kaos
gives
me,
how
can
I,
how
can
I
know
very
quickly,
what
are
the
two
or
three
that
are
relevant
to
me
and
in
which
are
supporting
and
if
I'm
a
if
I'm
a
business
manager,
you
know,
maybe
there
there's
going
to
be
different
key
performance
indicators
that
I
care
about.
So
it's
kind
of
an
open-ended
question.
But
this
is
something
that
I've
thought
about.
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Yeah,
it's
mainly
you
know,
as
I
contextualized
in
the
articles.
It's
really
about
being
a
jumping-off
point
right
and
they
had,
but
they
are
by
constituent.
I
chose
that
instead
of
stakeholder,
because
we
tend
to
be
a
little
more
democratic
and
open
source
development
or
aspire
to
be
canoe.
It
yeah
I
have
broken
this
down
by
state
by
constituent
and
in
the
there's
a
part
one
to
this
to
you
that
talks
more
about
you
know,
the
developers
maintained
errs
contributors
on
the
actual
kind
of
development
side.
G
C
Open
source
communities,
this
one
is,
is
honestly
all
on
the
business
side
like
how
do
we
figure
out
what
the
value
of
these
different
things
are?
What
metrics
are
available
in
chaos
today
are
kind
of
on
the
roadmap
that
we
think
we
could
use
us
as
to
your
point,
keep
forints
indicators
so
I.
Guess,
though,
the
whole
point
of
that
is,
there
is
a
jumping-off
place
for
discussion
in
you
know
you
can
use
it.
C
This
is
all
super
context,
heavy
stuff
that
can't
be
captured
in
just
you
know,
a
number
and
and
I,
don't
know
how
that's
helpful
to
focus.
If
that's
not
metrics
of
this
cover
station,
but
I
guess
we
could
use
these
two
create
kind
of
a
set
of
templates
that
would
be
available
to
people
over
time
like
by
role
and
by
where
a
project
is
in
its
maturity,
because
success
looks
very
different
at
early
stages,
middle
stages
and
and
mature
stages.
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So
I
think
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is
kind
of
the
role
of
like
experience.
You
know,
there's
gonna
be
an
experienced
person
somewhere,
who
is
gonna,
say
hey
if
you're
a
project
manager.
These
are
some
things
that
you
should
care
about
if
you're
a
business
leader
these
are.
These
are
things
that
you
should
care
about
if
you're
stuff
for
a
developer.
A
These
are
things
that
you
should
care
about,
yeah
and
that's
so
that
I
think
it's
super
valid,
but
I
but
I
do
have
a
question,
and
that
is
you
know
there
are
techniques
in
the
science
of
which
which
I'm
really
not
familiar
with,
but
I
know
they
exist
things
like
multivariable
regression.
You
know
where
you
do
some
sort
of
a
statistical
analyses.
A
You
know
across
the
a
slew
of
different
variables
to
figure
out
okay
in
this
in
this
space
of
variables,
which
are
the
variables
that
you
know
most
impact,
an
outcome
that
you're
concerned
with
there
are
machine
learning
techniques
that
people
use
to.
You
know
look
at
a
big
data.
Space
to
you
know
to
you,
know,
reduce
it
down
to
sort
of
like
one
or
two
categories
that
are
most
relevant
and
I
was
just
I
was
just
curious.
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C
Right
or
do
we
have
any
of
the
installations
today
generating
a
a
relatively
large
amount
of
this
type
of
data,
because
if
we
do
and
we're
able
to
make
it
accessible,
that's
a
reasonable
thing
for
us
to
go
out
kind
of
on
our
social
networks
and
LinkedIn
networks
and
stuff.
Like
hey,
we
have
really
interesting
datasets.
Are
there
any
behavioral
data
scientists
around
who
would
like
to
mess
around
with
this
data
and
extract
something
valuable?
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C
Would
I
would
definitely
posit
that
you
know
if
that's
the
direction
that
part
of
the
projects
gonna
go,
let's
look
at
what
it
takes
to
start
assembling.
That
kind
of
data
set
right,
because
the
next
step
would
be
flying.
Somebody
who
can
help
us
ask
the
right
questions
of
it
that
relate
to
the
you
know,
behaviors.
We
want
to
encourage,
discourage
or
behaviors
that
we
want
to
turn
into
kpi's.
That
means
something.
C
If
we,
if
we
have
any
open
source
projects
that
are,
you,
know,
successfully
opening
this
stuff
and
they
want
to
start
taking
a
look
at
the
baby,
real
science
behind
it,
then
you
know
that's
an
interesting
conversation
that
we
kick
off
with
that
open
source.
Community
I
just
don't
know
who's
using
it
at
any
kind
of
scale.
Yet
right
Georg,
maybe
you
do
I'm,
not
sure
I.
B
Behavioral
analysis,
that's
kind
of
the
whole
thing
with
my
research,
a
lot
of
network
analysis
of
this
kind
of
thing.
A
lot
of
weighted
networking,
elseÃs
I've
got
a
systematic
methodology
for
doing
that.
I
guess
it
depends
always
on
what
is
it
that
you
wanna
learn?
So
you
can
can
start
these
sorts
of
networks
or
connections,
a
billion,
different
ways,
and
it
ultimately
comes
down
to
what
is
the
question
that
you're
asking
and
how
do
you
qualitatively
assess
the
value
of
different
kinds
of
interactions?
B
So
an
open
source
software
commits
are
what
I
characterize
it's
an
artifact
artifact
interaction,
there's,
no
social
necessarily
if
it's
part
of
that
the
conversation
is
social,
so
how
you
separate
work
activity
from
social
engagement
or
discussions
with
another
person
and
what
is
the
significance
of
those
interactions
in
a
particular
project
because
I
think
on
some
projects.
Code
interactions
are
as
significant
footnotes
and
we
have
conversation
doing
another
project
fitment.
So
like
most
of
the
metrics
on
chaos
and
behavioral
stuff,
there
won't
be
a
one-size-fits-all
each
projects.
C
Yeah
and
I
guess
I
would
look
at
that
from
the
standpoint
of
like
maybe
maybe
there's
somewhere
too
setting
up
that
framework
right,
like
here's,
the
different
inputs,
you
would
see
in
a
pro
in
a
data
center
project
and
then
you
can
you
know,
teams
can
assign
a
weight
and
then
every
quarter
the
teams
can
only
visit
well
how
they
weight
things.
Yeah.
B
B
B
Me
there's
a
British
as
nice,
a
shit-ton
but
I'll
just
say:
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
done
in
the
space
historico
lee
and,
I
would
say,
a
lot
of
use
of
behavioral
data
that
systematically
mischaracterizes
the
strength
of
social
connection
from
trace
data.
So
it's
a
it's
definitely
you're
through
the
looking-glass
thing.
They've
got
some
of
this.
Definitely
it's
important
to
be
careful
and
not
draw
inferences
that
are
not
there.
I.
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So
on
on
Sunday,
Samantha,
Dylan
and
I
wanted
to
get
back
together
to
describe
the
implementation
of
this
system,
and
then
I'll
put
it
again
in
front
of
you
for
review
and
for
discussion.
Hopefully
the
group
as
a
whole
says.
Yes,
this
is
a
value
related
metric
that
we
want
to
include,
and
then
we
move
forward
and
have
it
ready
for
the
release.
A
That's
great
and
Shawn
else,
I'll
just
say
you
know
if
you
ever
did
want
to
give
a
kind
of
a
talk
on.
You
know,
sort
of
a
framework
for
behavioral
analysis
and
for
figuring
out
which
factors
in
a
sea
of
behaviors
you
know,
contribute
most
strongly
to
outcomes
I,
for
one
at
least,
would
be
really
interested
in
listening
in
I.
B
B
A
So
we'll
have
something
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
just
do
something
really
really
simple
and
so
I,
don't
know
really
what
to
say
other
than
to
get,
for
example,
a
list
of
commits,
and
then
let
somebody
you
know
plug
in
a
labor
rate
for
an
average
labor
rate
for
commit
and
then
compare.
You
know
that
cost
across
projects.
You
know
something
like
that,
so
that
the
technique
I
was
planning
and
using
was
to
you
know
if
I
can
get
my
hands
on
a
on
an
auger
database
or
or
get
it
installed
myself.
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E
A
B
A
Very
simple:
you
know:
we've
been
talking
about
for
for
value.
We've
been
talking
about
the
idea
of
a
parameterised
metric
for
quite
some
time,
and
what
we've
said
is
our
our
technique.
Kind
of
minimum
viable
technique
is
export
to
CSV
and
loaded
up
into
Excel
spreadsheets,
which
is
which
is
awesome.
So
what
I'm
talking
about
is
just
doing
the
the
next
minimal
step
B.
A
You
know
beyond
that
and
I
think
that's
just
a
custom,
one-off
webpage,
where
I've
got
the
ability
to
to
add
one
thing,
and
that
is
my
average
cost
per
per
commit
and
then
have
it.
Have
it
calculate
you
know,
dollar
value
costs
across
projects
simple,
as
that,
so
just
a
really
bonehead
dead,
simple.
You
know
little
web
wrapper
that
that
goes
around
either
the
augur
API
soar,
the
augur
database
or
it
could
be
green
or
or
whatever
simplest,
I.
B
A
A
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G
A
A
B
For
the
value
stuff,
I
had
a
deal
I've
got
part
of
this
finishing.
The
value
were
growing
I
just
painted
in
this
conversation
till
you
hear
it.
Pressurizes
I'm,
not
gonna
manually
for
a
number
folks,
but
I
would
like
it
to
just
be
a
word
writing
for
what
the
data,
because
it's
pretty
pretty
it
just
fits.
A
A
A
G
D
D
And
then
we're
job.
E
G
D
Response
time
number
of
forks,
those
are
super
easy,
but
I
I,
remember
correctly,
those
are
or
even
yeah,
those
are
already
implemented
and
we
can
describe
them,
but
they
were
not
metrics
and
not
by
themselves.
They
were
part
of
being
bigger,
metric
right,
right,
I,
think
they
are
part
of
the
popularity
one
or
something
still.
D
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C
G
Mean
there
are
composite
metrics,
and
so
there
are
individual
metrics
that
can
exist
within
a
composite
metric,
but
labor
investment.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
handle
commit
count
by
organization?
We
have
to
have
commit
count
by
organization.
You
have
to
define
that,
especially
if
we're
going
to
use
it
within
a
composite
metric.
So
I
think
that
the.
D
G
D
D
C
B
A
G
D
B
G
G
Think
it's
gonna
be
it'll,
be
a
month
before
FOSDEM
I
believe
so
I
think
I
think
the
release
is
probably
gonna
happen.
January
yeah,
probably
on.