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CHAOSS.Value.August.2.2019
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Let's
do
it
so
for
the
San
Diego
Show
we've
got
two
sessions,
I
believe
that
relate
to
value.
One
is
open
source
summit,
North
America,
which
is
meant
to
be
a
panel
to
talk
about
chaos,
metrics
and
then
our
other
session
is
at
chaos.
Con
itself,
I
believe
that's
a
that's
a
20-minute
session
and
we
can
use
that
for
whatever
purpose
we
think
is
best.
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It
might
be
an
opportunity
to
to
maybe
make
a
few
of
those
connections
a
little
bit
stronger,
I
think
the
open
source
summit,
North
America
one-
will
require
a
little
bit
more
conversation
about
what
chaos
is
and
how
value
slots
into
that
and
I
think
you
can
get
away
with
not
talking
about
it.
Chaos,
Khan.
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Part
of
it
is
describing
the
or
we're
promising
to
describe
the
metrics
that
we
included
in
the
release
and
then
also
introduce
ideas.
We
have
for
further
metrics
and
I
think
we
can
cover
those
two
items
in
ten
minutes
and
have
ten
minutes
open
for
discussion
on
what
other
people
think
feedback,
how
they
consider
of
value
of
open
source
projects.
What
they
would
like
to
see.
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So
so,
typically,
in
my
experience
for
something
like
this,
you
know
what
you're
trying
to
do
as
a
group
is
to
register
interest
with
the
audience
to
figure
out
who
you
know
is
interested,
and
then
you
know
present
them
with
some
sort
of
a
call
to
action
and
the
call
to
action
could
be
hey.
You
know,
check
out
our
website
or
get
involved
on
our
weekly
calls
or,
or
you
know
whatever
we
think
it
ought
to
be.
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Whatever
those
might
be,
I
also
think
that
I
know
that
kind
of
on
the
agenda
has
been
getting
a
working
implementation
of
some
of
the
tools
in
chaos
to
actually
show
these
multics
in
practice,
I
think
a
critically
important
thing
for
allowing
people
to
see
these
things.
It's
one
thing
to
talk
about
them
in
a
markdown
file.
It's
another
thing.
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Remote
perspective,
but
you're
just
working
on
a
tool
or
a
platform
right
now.
That
is
exactly
that
Colton,
so
Patricia
has
had
this
for
a
while
and
we're
currently
working
it,
putting
that
in
the
open
before
elasticsearch
database
and
all
the
new
and
all
going
to
building
the
chaos
metrics
with
the
platform.
So
that
is
the
growth
in
hey
Zeus
is
the
project
manager
for
that,
because
who
has
funds
through
some
research
grants
and
yes,
currently
working
on
this
school?
So
you
can
go
to
our
part.
Oh,
let
me
check
if.
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Now
it
supports
three
data
sources,
but
we
all
know
that
grim
OLAP
can
support
a
lot
more
yeah.
Sorry,
those
will
be
added
over
time,
so
there
is
a
public
facing
instance
to
use
grimoire
lap
like
that
on
a
similar
note
at
the
Leadership
Summit
I
was
talking
with
what's
his
name
from
the
badging
program,
David
David,
wheeler
yeah,
and
he
also
expressed
interest
in
having
a
platform
and
even
volunteering,
to
run
and
maintain
it.
If
there
is
one
symbol,
that's
also
an
option.
Okay,.
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Mean
one
option:
two
is
like
them.
We
obviously
have
community
bridge
I
mean
it's
not
something
we
could
solve
here.
But
you
know
here
you
know
the
Journal
of
open
source
software,
so
our
phone
is
pretty
transparent
on
what
that
costs
to
run,
and
so
it's
a
huge
expense.
So
I
mean
that
would
be
another
option,
something
to
possibly
pursue
with
the
board.
If
it's
very.
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You
know
their
their
name
goes
on
like
a
steering
committee
or
or
a
review
board
or
or
you
know
something
of
that
nature-
a
small
number
of
people
four
to
six,
and
you
know
that
the
purpose
of
that
might
be
to
build
networks
into
industry
to
to
increase
the
credibility
of
the
value
group
by
by
you
know,
having
association
with
with
with
real
practitioners
in
the
field
to
get
live
feedback
from
real
practitioners
rather
than
you
know,
just
our
own
opinions,
sort
of
you
know
as
academics.
Things
of
that
nature.
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You
know
so
that
could
be
a
call
to
action.
We
could
say:
hey
we're
doing
this
thing
and
oh
by
the
way
you
know
we
are
taking
nominations
for
people
to
join
our
steering
committee.
It's
it's
going
to
have.
You
know
a
loose
involvement,
we're
not
expecting
weekly
input,
but
we
do
want
your
feedback
and
you
know
we
want
your
views
as
a
member
of
industry
as
to
what
is
the
value
of
our
work?
You
know
the
value
you
know
what
is
the
impact
of
our
of
our
work.
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So
that
could
be
great.
You
know
just
something:
that's
that's
lightweight
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
participant,
but
but
something
where
you
know
we're
starting
to
build
out
our
network
in
the
industry
yeah,
so
that
people
know
what
we're
up
to
and
and
have
a
little
bit
more
investment
in
it
other
than
just
checking
out
the
website
from
time
to
time.
Yep.
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They
built
out
best
practices
around
open
source
program,
offices
and
I.
Think
metrics
is
a
big
topic,
but
they
also
have
an
opinion
on
so
partnering
with
them
would
be
great
and
I
know
pretty
much.
Everyone
on
in
in
the
to
do.
Group
is
aware
of
the
chaos
project
so
making
it
a
little
bit
more
formal
by
inviting
them
to
be
on
a
review
committee,
or
something
would
be
great
so.
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And
I
hate
implicating
efforts.
So
if
there
are
folks
at
the
group
that
were
thinking
about
whether
it's
DNI
or
evolution
or
value
I
hate
for
one
group
to
be
thinking
about
it
and
then
chaos
to
also
be
thinking
about
it
independently
at
one
another,
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
all
be
at
the
same
table.
Yeah.
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Okay,
another
another
question
I
have
is:
are
there
any
academics
that
we
can
think
of
that
that
have
a
focus
on
the
economics
source
or
the
economics
of
software
development
that
that
we
could
reach
out
to
to
get
maybe
a
little
bit
more
of
an
economic
point
of
view
into
our
group?
I
mean
we're
all
we're
all
all
of
us
are
more
or
less
software
people,
and
it
might
be
interesting
to
involve
somebody
in
the
group
who
wasn't
a
software
person,
but
who
was
more
of
a
an
expert
in
work,
efficiency
or
labor
efficiency.
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One
of
the
one
of
the
keynotes
at
Kaos
Khan
is
Yannick
Alice
mm-hmm
she's,
an
economist
from
UCLA
right
I
mean
there's
okay,
so
that
be
yeah,
so
the
academic
side,
it's
always
tricky
because
from
an
undergraduate
from
a
pre
tenured
perspective,
it
is
a
publisher,
perish
model
and
getting
academics
to
engage
in
projects.
Long
term
is
a
there
has
to
be
in.
There
has
to
be
a
paper
payout
in
it.
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Well,
so
maybe
another
way
to
get
at
that
that
there
might
be-
and
by
the
way,
I'm
not
aware
of
anybody
who
does
this,
but
you
know
there
might
be
consulting
companies
that
go
out
and
do
can
like
workforce
consulting
with
large
organizations
who
think
about
salaries
who
come
up
with
hiring
strategies.
You
know
things
of
that
nature.
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I'll
do
some
thinking
on
that
again
because
my
own,
my
own
point
of
view,
is
you
know,
we're
very
software
or
centric.
You
know
our
perspective
and
since
we're
the
value
group
I
think
it
would
be
good
to.
You
know
inject
a
little
bit
more
of
an
economic
thinking
or
a
labor
cost
thinking
or
business
competitive
thinking
into
what
we
do
and.
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Interested
and
he
loses
at
tobe
level,
okay-
and
he
gave
me
this
this
idea
where
he
said
companies
have
this
perception
that
a
patent
has
like
a
million
dollar
value
for
the
company.
No
one
knows
why
a
patent
is
worth
a
million
dollars
to
the
company,
but
everyone
kind
of
has
this
assumption
and
participating
in
open
source.
We
have
not.
We
don't
have
a
dollar
value
that
people
have
in
their
head,
that
they
associate
I'm
getting.
There
would
be
a
big
win.
Oh.
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My
goodness
I'd
be
huge,
yeah
cuz
I
told
you
right
now,
I
I
think
I've
told
you
both
still
the
same
argument
day
here
as
well.
You
know
everybody
else
is
doing
it.
So,
let's
be
a
rationale.
There
must
be
a
I
mean,
there's
there's,
obviously
the
the
saving
of
developer
time
I
mean
that's,
obviously
the
big
one,
but
you
don't
have
to
have
a
fully
staffed
development
team
people
in
the
open-source
space,
not.
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Okay:
okay,
big
group,
okay,
maybe
it's
just
one
last
question
on
the
subject:
are
there
any
changes
that
we
would
like
to
make
in
our
group
dynamic,
or
how
do
we
feel
about
the
energy
level?
How
do
we
feel
about
the
involvement?
Should
we
be
talking
more
frequently
less
frequently
just
to
any
any
impressions
on
that
front
just
in
terms
of
how
we
operate
as
a
group,
so.
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Personally,
I
think
the
involvement,
if
I,
look
across
all
the
working
groups,
they're
all
about
this
size.
To
be
honest
with
you,
there's
obviously
usual
suspects
that
appear
across
the
working
groups,
but
fundamental
to
be
the
state
of
affairs
for
all
working
groups.
Right
now,
with
about
six
to
seven
folks
appearing
pretty
regularly
in
the
meetings.
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I
have
an
opinion
on
weekly
bi-weekly.
You
know
from
the
perspective
of
someone
who
is
very
involved
in
chaos.
Reducing
the
number
of
meetings
is
good
from
a
perspective
of
someone
coming
through
chaos,
as
an
outsider,
who
is
not
familiar
with
the
cadence
and
so
on.
It's
much
easier
to
connect.
If
there
is
a
meeting
every
week
because
then
you're
not
like
is
it
this
week
is
the
next
week
it's.
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I
mean
even
to
that
point,
when
I'm
putting
together
that
weekly
newsletter,
the
bi-weekly
ones,
are
the
hardest
ones
to
figure
out
when
they
meet
to
be
honest
with
you,
every
other
one
I
can
just
look
a
week
ahead
and
drop
that
date
in
by
week.
These
are
a
little
bit
trickier,
but
it
seemed
you
know,
honestly,
it
seems
to
work
for
evolution
at
this
point.
It
seems
to
work
for
common.
At
this
point.
Those
are
the
two
others
that
are
bi-weekly.
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Honestly,
like
this
is
all
kind
of
related
to
the
weekly
cadence
of
meetings.
To
as
we
are
cutting,
we've
been
increasing
the
chaos
weekly
newsletter
and
pushing
this
social
media
stuff
forward.
You
know
I,
think
it
I
think
it's
great.
It's
a
little
bit
more
of
an
outreach
component
as
well.
So
right,
I
would
suggest
to
that.
If
we're
gonna
meet
in
two
weeks
that
maybe
we
start
thinking
about
the
metrics
that
we
actually
want
to
put
forward
for
version
1.5,
so
maybe
everybody
bring
one
forward.
We
may
not
work
on
them
all,
but.