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From YouTube: CHAOSS Community Meeting July 11, 2023
Description
Meeting Summary can be found here: https://chaoss.discourse.group/t/chaoss-weekly-community-meeting-july-11-2023/206
Meeting Minutes can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PMDWc6xMe0fNE7shxTK5_HE_ykRBG5w55_Zx5hvzsEY/edit?pli=1
A
And
I
will
start
the
captions
excellent,
so
hi
everybody
Welcome
to
today's
chaos.
Community
call
it's
great
to
have
you
here.
The
minutes
are
in
the
chat
and
it's
nice
to
meet.
You
Christine
in
the
chat
great
to
have
you
here
and
actually
I'm
going
to
bring
your
question
up
to
the
to
the
Community
Hall
today
that
you
put
in
the
in
slack
so
before
we
get
to
that
question,
though
I'll
share
my
screen
here.
A
A
D
A
B
A
Also
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
we
have
the
it
should
be
on
the
chaos
calendar.
The
project
badging
meetings
are
on
Mondays
I
think
we're
going
to
be
moving
them
back,
maybe
just
an
hour
to
accommodate
Ruth,
but
for
those
of
you
that
have
an
interest
in
Project
badging
and
our
work
with
all
in,
particularly
particularly
around
that
dei.md
file
and
how
we
can
generate
reports
as
part
of
project
badging.
A
A
E
A
I
think
maybe
we
had
originally
merged
them
like
around
event,
badging
and
project
badging
I.
Think
because
it's
still
in
that
pilot
phase,
it's
taking
a
little
while
and
it
might.
My
guess
is
that
it
would
kind
of
consume
the
entire
Dei
meeting.
You
know,
okay
on
those
Wednesdays,
so
yeah
for
now.
Let's
just
keep
it
there.
F
A
Thanks
Kevin,
but
I'll
check
on
that
there
was
a
question
that
came
up
in
slack
from
Christine
who's
on
the
call
here.
I
think
the
way
I
understood
the
question
was
and
kind
of
Sean
or
everybody.
Is
there
a
way
to
understand
the
impact
of
contributions
within
a
project,
not
just
a
way
to
understand
like
a
volume
of
contributions,
but
the
impact
that
a
contribution
has
on
a
project
or
even
a
gay
org.
G
Yes,
I'm
speaking
from
like
a
more
numerical
Viewpoint
I'm
trying
to
Implement
my
open
source
experience,
my
resume
and
my
in
my
job
and
when
I
go
to
interviews
for
job
roles
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
recruiters
are
big
on
metrics
and
numbers
and
stuff
like
that.
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
how
to
get
that
kind
of
data.
G
G
H
So
I
just
had
a
conversation
today
with
someone
who
installed
grimo
lab
and
said
they
really
appreciated
the
documentation
and
the
FAQ
and
everything.
So
we
don't
measure
how
how
much
time
people
spent
on
the
documentation
or
how
they
are
using
it.
So
it's
hard
to
see
that
kind
of
impact,
and
we
do
have
anecdotal
evidence
or
people
who
give
kudos
to
how
how
things
look
and
how
they're
working
it's.
It's,
not
the
metrics
that
recruiters
might
be
interested
in,
but
maybe
there's
a
way.
B
A
E
From
a
from
a
chaos
metrics
position,
we've
generally
avoided
dealing
with
those
individual
contributor
metrics,
so
those
those
types
of
metrics
that
can
be
used
to
create
kind
of
leaderboards,
and
you
know,
measuring
the
productivity
of
individual
contributors
for
the
most
part,
we've
I
think
we've
really
avoided
those,
because
there
are
some
there
are
some
pitfalls
around
those
types
of
metrics.
So
from
a
chaos
standpoint
I,
don't
think
we
have.
The
closest
thing
we
would
have
would
be.
E
The
contributor
attribution
metric,
which
is
over
in
the
evolution
working
group,
but
I
I,
don't
think
we've
I,
don't
think
we've
find
any
metrics
or
models
that
would
do
what
do
what
you're
describing
so
I
would
I
would
agree
with
New
York
that
tell
your
story
about
how
you
contributed
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
to
go
to
go
forward
with
that.
Well,.
B
F
B
C
I
It
can
be
done
just
to
make
you
be
clear,
but
then
not
in
this
context,
and
not
even
in
the
context
of
a
project,
because
then
you
can
come
up
with
some
kind
of
conflict.
I'll.
Give
you
just
a
brief
example.
Then
I'll
stop
here.
If
you
see
even
like
when
they
are
talking
about
the
most
prolific
researcher,
or
something
like
that
in
some
areas,
it
is
not
the
researchers
who
measure
themselves.
I
It's
an
independent
body
that
looks
their
work
over
time
like
10
years
like
five
years
and
see
the
impact
that
those
things
have
Commit
I've
done
to
society.
Then
they
give
some
scores
and
I.
Don't
think
this
is
even
in
line
with
what
you
are
saying
so
I
think
what
Georg
and
math
and
Kevin
said
it's
in
the
right
direction.
You
know
you
can
tell
your
story
from
your
own
involvement
in
the
community.
I
A
E
Company
from
a
from
a
chaos
standpoint
that
might
be
an
interesting,
an
interesting
blog,
we
could
write
out
I,
don't
know
if
they're
I
don't
know.
If
there
would
be
a
like
a
storytelling
metric,
we
could.
We
could
create
but
kind
of
a
a
storytelling
blog
to
to
kind
of
describe
how
to
promote
yourself
individually.
That
might
be
from
an
individual
contribution
standpoint
that
might
be
an
interesting
vlog.
H
C
Like
one
way
that
I
have
done
it
personally
kind
of
what
I
do
is
I
just
kind
of
assess
my
contributions
to
the
community
and
see,
like
you
know,
from
people's
feedback
as
well
from
using
what
I
the
contribution
will
be,
the
documentation
or
even
people
interactions
or
things
that
I
have
done
in
the
community,
I
kind
of
reflect
on
them
and
then
I
you
know
put
together
with
that.
I
have
impacted
to
school,
maybe
not
the
numbers
if
I
do
not
have
numbers
for
like
kind
of
a
sentence.
A
B
A
A
In
the
Balkans,
one
of
the
things
that
these
chapters
are
focusing
on
is
amongst
many
things
is
trying
to
help
kind
of
in
this.
This
open
source,
101
or
Hello
World,
open
source
set
of
programs
that
can
encourage
people
to
get
a
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
to
engage
in
open
source.
Broadly,
not
just
the
chaos
projects
specifically
and
we've
talked
about
creating
a
series
of
courses
that
could
help
people
in
that
regard,
and
really
the
motivation
here
is
as
a
project
that
focuses
on
open
source,
Community,
Health
sustainability,
I.
A
Think
an
argument
can
be
made
that
you
know
the
more
people
who
are
participating
in
open
source
and
have
access
to
participate
in
open
source,
the
better
for
for
all
of
us,
and
so
that
so
we
had
talked
about
like
ever
so
briefly
about
the
different
types
of
platforms
that
we
could
use
to
host
classes.
That
could
be
small
series
of
classes
that
people
could
go
through
freely.
A
B
I've
done
I've
I
certainly
know
that
Moodle
is
less
it's
more.
It's
an
older
system.
It's
got
a
lot
of
Legacy
stuff.
There
are
Myriad
ways
of
configuring
it
with
lots
and
lots
of
different
modules.
So
it's
I
think
I
would
compare
it
to
the
difference
between
Microsoft
Office,
which
is
kind
of
what
you
get
in
canvas
and
open
Office,
which
is
kind
of
what
you
get
on
Ubuntu,
like
a
lot
of
the
commands,
are
the
same.
We're
similar
but
you're
not
used
to
it.
A
A
B
It
depends
I,
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
it
was
200
overall
users-
okay,
but
I,
just
just
because
it's
I
mean,
unless
it
says
active
connections,
I
mean
usually
the
cost
is
accounting
for
the
space
that
a
user's
presence
takes
up
on
the
server.
So
if
you
have
more
users,
there's
probably
even
if
they're
not
logged
in
some
expectation
about
space
consumption,
okay,
I
I
could
be
wrong.
F
A
A
A
A
G
C
B
J
G
B
A
A
F
A
A
If
you
go
to
community
and
knowledge
base
a
lot
of
these
topic
areas.
There
were
a
lot
that
were
many
layers
deep
or
there
were
a
lot
that
didn't
have
a
lot
of
content
in
them.
So
vanad
has
been
working
along
with
with
Kevin
and
Elizabeth,
to
kind
of
really
think
about
how
we
arrange
our
documentation
kind
of
this
ongoing
issue
in
open
source
communities.
How
to
make
sure
your
documentation
is
present
and
available.
A
I
was
hoping,
vanad
might
have.
Some
updates
I
think
there's
some
existing
PRS
out
there
to
further
streamline
this
documentation,
but
I.
We
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
that
we'll
be
taking
a
look
at,
but
this
should
start
kind
of
streamlining
where
all
of
our
things
are
at
and
removing
things
that
were
duplicates
and
removing
things
that
were
just
empty
I
think
you
all
know
the
story.
Just
trying
to
improve
this
overall,
so
this
has
been
quite
a
bit
of
work
and
I
just
wanted
to
continue
to
bring
it
to
people's
attention
and
I.
A
Think,
probably
by
the
end
of
the
week
when
we're.
Maybe
we
when
we
can
merge
those
final
PR's
We'll,
be
asking
for
a
few
people
to
volunteer
to
take
a
look
at
the
documentation
to
just
give
us
some
feedback
on
where
they
are
not
comfortable
or
where
they.
It
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense.
So
there
will
be
a
call
for
volunteers.
C
A
A
A
B
A
J
It
yes
thank
you
and
good
to
see.
Everyone
too
I
participated
in
these
calls
for
about
a
year
a
couple
years
ago,
and
then
you
know
things
I
guess,
I,
don't
know
what
happened,
but
life
got
in
the
way
and
I
haven't
been
around
in
a
while,
but
our
developer,
relations,
formerly
known
as
community
relations
team
at
gitlab,
has
been
talking
a
lot
about.
A
Just
a
maybe
a
question
to
your
question:
is
it
really
only
about
demographics,
or
is
it
about
like
how
different
projects
on
the
is
it
two
things
one?
Is
it
only
about
demographics
and
then
two?
Is
it
only
with
respect
to
the
gitlab
community
or
communities
that
are
on
that
are
using
gitlab?
You
know
what
I
mean
yeah
I.
A
Yeah
other
facets
around
Dei
that
you
would
have
an
interest
in
so
like
in
a
community.
We
have
been
working
on
a
project
with
all
in
around
I'll.
Show
it
to
you
here,
but
asking
projects
to
think
about
things
with
respect
to
say,
newcomer
experiences
or
asking
projects
to
think
about
things
around
paths
to
leadership.
So
it's
not
just
about
demographics,
but
how
you
express
different
metrics
within
your
project
and
how
you
speak
to
those.
So
that's
what
that
was
the
demographics
question.
A
J
However
I
you
know,
I
think
learning
from
you
like
it
and
knowing
that
those
types
of
experiences
you
know
that
newcomer
experience,
the
path
to
leadership
like
are
also
important,
like
this
scope,
is
still
very
much.
You
know
in
for
information,
so
we
can
certainly
include
those
other
things
and
then
to
your
second
question.
You
know
primarily
focused
on
the
gitlab
community
to
start,
but
if
there's
ways
that
we
can,
you
know
leverage
what
we're
learning
or
building
to
support
the
other
communities
that
are
using
gitlab
for
open
source.
H
Running
the
community
survey
at
the
openstack
or
open
infra
Foundation,
we
have
worked
with
her
she's
part
of
chaos,
and
we've
worked
with
her
on
the
questions
for
many
years
now.
So
there
are
some
resources
to
look
at
and
then
also
be
Apache
software
Foundation
Oregon,
State
University
have
helped
the
ASF
run.
Community
survey
twice
now
2020
and
2022..
H
J
H
J
E
J
F
A
J
A
B
E
It's
a
it's
a
little
premature,
but
there's
also
the
the
DI
working
group
and
specifically
Anita
has
a
kind
of
a
survey
interview
project.
That's
looking
to
be
pretty
interesting,
so
in
the
in
the
future.
Those
those
results
should
be
just
a
to
make
a
point
that
the
that
working
group
is
very
active,
so
I,
don't
Anita.
Would
you
like
to
talk
about
your
the
project
you're
working
on.
D
A
Dei
survey
to
help
us
understand
the
impact
of
this
metrics.
We
have
developed
so
far
in
open
source
communities
and
especially
those
individuals
in
these
communities
that
identify
as
unrepresented
so
we
are
currently
at
the
analysis
stage,
but
we're
trying
to
see
how
some
of
this
feedback
was
received
can
be
used
to
improve
on
our
existing
metrics
or
even
develop
new
metrics.
That
can
be
added
to
what
we
currently
have
and
yeah.