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A
Quite
a
lot
of
things
to
talk
about
today,
so
georg
always
recording
hi.
Everyone
welcome
to
the
march
9th
edition
of
the
chaos
weekly
community
call
so
happy
to
see
everybody
here,
you're
all
wonderful!
Thank
you
for
taking
your
time
this
morning
or
afternoon
evening.
Whatever
time
it
is
for
you
and
hanging
out
with
us
for
50
minutes
the
next
50
minutes.
A
So
if
you
need
the
minutes,
we
can
drop
them
in
here,
one
more
time
in
case
you
missed
that
in
the
chat
please
feel
free
to.
Let
us
know
how
you're
doing
add
your
name
to
the
agenda.
If
you
don't
mind,
if
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
that's
fine,
too,
and
as
always,
totally
fine
to
keep
your
cameras
off,
doesn't
matter
it's
it's
a
do
as
you
wish
kind
of
meeting,
so
we're
just
glad
you're
here
all
right.
A
So
let's
jump
right
in
the
first
item
on
the
agenda,
of
course,
is
our
fourth
metrics
release,
which
happened
on
friday.
Officially,
so
congratulations
to
everyone
who
worked
on
those
metrics.
We
had
11
metrics
released
new
ones.
We
had
five
revisions.
So
now
we
have
57
metrics.
A
Sorry
total
that
people
can
use
to
measure
the
health
of
their
communities,
I'm
so
sorry.
I
want
to
give
us
a
big
shout
out
to
georg
and
kevin
who
are
both
on
this
call.
I
believe.
Yes,
they
work
tyler
tirelessly
to
make
sure
that
that
release
happens
and
they
do
get
everything
straight
and-
and
what's
the
word
I
want
accurate,
that's
the
word
I
want.
They
make
sure
that
everything
lines
up
and
they
create
this
wonderful
pdf,
which
summarizes
all
of
our
metrics
and
the
histories
of
the
releases.
A
B
C
A
Yeah
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it
turns
out.
So
if
you
would
like
to
help
us
spread
the
word
and
and
let
people
know
about
the
release,
we
did
tweet
about
it
yesterday,
so
I
dropped
that
in
the
minutes.
If
you
want
to
just
retweet.
A
If
that's
your
thing,
if
you
don't
that's
fine
too,
but
we
would
appreciate
the
signal
boost
if
you
are
someone
who
would
like
to
do
that-
and
also
I
just
want
to
quick
shout
out
to
nicole
who's,
not
on
this
call,
but
she
created
our
fancy
new
social
tile
that
we
used
for
our
our
tweet
this
time,
so
our
tweets
are
going
to
look
prettier
thanks
to
nicole,
so
she's
awesome.
Thank
you
very
much
nicole
for
that,
because
I
would
not
have
done
that.
A
A
Also,
just
one
more
comment:
I
have
about
the
the
metrics
release.
It's
really
amazing
to
me
to
think
about
all
of
the
things
that
happened
in
the
last
six
months
like
if
you
go
back
and
think
about
since
our
last
release,
all
of
the
stuff
that's
been
going
on,
and
yet
we
still
cranked
out
11
new
metrics
and
revised
five
metrics,
like
that's
pretty
rad,
that's
pretty
awesome,
so
everybody
should
feel
good
about
this
last
time
because
we're
pushing
through-
and
I
just
love
that
I
think
that's
fantastic
work
on
everyone's
part.
D
F
Question:
oh,
go
ahead
before
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
is
there
a
way
to
see
like
the
metrics
that
were
added
and
the
ones
that
were
changed?
D
A
A
That
was
a
good
question.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
moving
on,
then,
if
anybody
else
has
any
questions
about
that
feel
free
to
just
interrupt
me
or
jump
in
no
worries
at
all
there.
A
But
let's
talk
about
the
oss
eu
submissions,
someone
has
added
an
idea
as
working
groups
as
a
panel,
I
would
guess
that's
matt
g.
B
This
was
me
so
this
came
up.
I
don't
remember
what
call
it
was,
but
nicole
had
actually
recommended
that
we
put
together
a
panel
with
representatives
from
the
different
working
groups,
probably
not
all
the
working
groups.
That
would
be
quite
a
few
but
the
different
working
groups
to
to
be
at
oss
eu
and
just
talk
about
the
work
that
you
do
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
thought
it
was
a
nice
idea.
G
G
E
You
know
I
I
was
thinking
mad
like
either
you
or
like
the
org
or
somebody
you
know
we
I
mean.
Obviously
we
want
to
went
through
a
lot
of
releases.
Would
it
make
sense
to
give
a
like?
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
call
it
the
state
of
the
union,
because
it
sounds
political,
like
state
of
where
chaos
is
after.
Like,
however,
many
years
it's
been.
B
E
Project
yeah
or
the
focus
could
be,
I
mean
sorry,
I'm
I'm
like
bouncing
ideas
off,
but
rather
than
because
I
think
we've
been
focused
on
in
terms
of
speakers,
people
that
are
actively
contributing
on
working
on
metrics.
I
like
to
hear
from
like
users
like
people
that
have
been
consuming
the
community's
output
and
how
how
things
have
been
going,
and
so
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
can't
think
of
like
a
like
a
potential
speakers
or
submitters
off
the
top
of
my
head.
But
that
might
be
something
we
can
think
about.
D
So
ray
I,
I
agree
with
you
that
I
always
like
to
hear
from
users
and
as
well
and
when
I,
when
my
google
alert,
shows
me
that
someone
mentions
chaos
anywhere,
I
usually
reach
out
and
try
to
get
them
to
come
on
the
podcast.
So
that's
a
great
place
to
also
hear
from
people
and
the
best
users
are
the
ones
that
are
actually
involved
in
chaos
is
my
feeling,
because
they
are
so
engaged
in
the
metrics
that
they
just
like
to
talk
with
us
about
what
they're
doing.
D
So.
I
don't.
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
asking
someone
who
is
actively
involved
in
chaos
to
do
it
if
they're
the
ones
using
the
metrics.
I
I
feel
like
it's
not
just
an
interesting
panel.
I
feel
like
I'd,
be
interested
in
general
for
chaos
to
hear
more
from
its
user
base.
I
especially
just
have
been
thinking
about
the
number
of
metrics
that
we
have,
if
you're
a
brand
new
user
who's
starting
some
sort
of
program.
I
How
are
you,
how
do
you
navigate
it
at
first?
What
do
you
find
is
most
useful
and
why
to
me,
like,
I
have
my
own
particular
history
and
approach
here,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
from
others
that
are
kind
of
starting
from
scratch
and
what
was
more
or
less
helpful,
because
I
think
that's
also
useful
for
us
in
the
project
to
know
how
to
present
and
make
these
things
useful.
I
E
E
No
so
yeah
I
mean
I
think,
like
obviously
I
talked
to
somebody
at
the
lf
like
they
thought
august
and
vancouver
was
too
early
but
late
september.
They
might
change
the
venue,
for
example,
if
things
in
ireland
don't
improve
over
the
next
few
months,
but
I
think
they
have
backups.
So
don't
worry.
E
No!
No.
I
wouldn't
buy
anything
right
now,
but
so
yeah,
but
things
may
change,
but
they
may
do
something.
It
might
look
very
different
because
of
the
pandemic,
I
mean
obvious
things
like
reduced
capacity.
The
the
show
floor
is
going
to
look
different,
but
so
fingers
crossed.
I
A
Topic:
okay,
thanks
for
all
those
ideas,
these
are
awesome
and
we
have
someone
said
we
have
quite
a
while
to
think
about
those,
as
so
just
keep
that
in
your
mind
and
we'll
we
can
bring
it
up
again
next
week.
A
Okay,
so,
let's
move
on
to
google
summer
of
code,
we
were
accepted
again
for
the
fourth
year
in
a
row,
hooray,
hooray,
hooray.
We
have
made
some
fantastic
connections
with
students
over
the
years,
so
we
are
super
super
excited
gary.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
about
it
or
not.
To
put
you
on
the
spot.
Sorry.
D
Well,
google
sum
of
codes
is
starting.
The
process
is
from
here
on
out
that
we
will
see
an
influx
of
candidates
who
are
interested
in
chaos
and
participating
in
the
program.
So
I
encourage
everyone
to
be
kind
and
respectful
and
reply
to
their
questions.
We
will
see
them
on
the
mailing
lists
on
irc
on
the
issue.
D
D
So
what
is
that
180
hours
total
and
yeah
the
next
thing
once
the
next
thing
is
the
applications,
then
that
we
will
get
all
the
project
ideas
and
then
we
can
see
who
has
really
good
ideas
on
what
to
do.
How
many
did
we
get
this
year?
B
I
B
I
B
Gotcha
thanks
and
then
the
other.
The
comment
was
just
kind
of
a
reminder
like
in
these
calls.
We
don't
talk
about
like
good
or
bad
students,
so
just
because
these
are
open
calls-
and
I
know
that
some
people
who
are
students
are
interested
and
are
attending
these
calls.
So
I
think
to
georg's
point:
it's
always
about
trying
to
be
as
constructive
and
positive
as
we
can
be.
A
J
What
is
the,
what
is
the
next
step
for
these
potential
projects
for
the
the
individuals
who
are
going
to
be
mentors?
What
what
do
we
need
to
do,
or
what
do
they
need
to
do?.
D
So
we
have
the
student
application
period
coming
up
next,
so
today
is
the
announcement
and
then
we'll
see
interested
students
come
in
and
they
will
have.
They
will
look
through
the
project,
ideas
that
we
have
and
then
reach
out
to
the
mentors
to
discuss
details
and
build
out
a
detailed
project
plan
which
can
be
like
a
20
page
document
with
the
timeline
here,
the
deliverables,
here's
what
I
will
do
every
week.
D
This
is
the
outcome
that
I'm
producing
and
this
will
be
developed
until
the
beginning
of
april
or
mid
april
and
then
april.
13
is
the
deadline
for
submissions,
and
then
we
have
one
month
for
reviewing
and
deciding
what
we
well
one
month
after
april
13
until
the
projects
are
announced,
and
during
that
time
we
have
to
review
the
proposals,
request
the
slots
and
work
with
google
to
select
the
students
that
we
want.
J
A
D
G
H
Always
yeah
can
we
also
give
a
kind
of
statistics
of
the
previous
years
like
how
many
students
applied?
How
many
were
retained
and
the
proportion
of
those
who
were
not
because
you
made
in
the
initial
announcement
might
be
some
students
might
be
wondering
what
happened
at
the
end?
If
I'm
not
selected,
you
understand
what
I
mean
and
if
there
is,
if
there
is
some
tips
to
guide
the
potential
students,
what
are
those
kind
of
things
that
can
increase
their
chances?
We
are
not
promising
anything
here,
not
just
to
make
sure
we
are
communicating
effectively
and.
G
In
the
past,
with
the
you
know,
we
do
have
a
list
of
projects
available
and
they'll
be
micro
tasks,
and
in
the
past
it's
been
a
combination
of,
were
they
effective
at
completing
a
micro
task,
which
is
a
basic
demonstration
of
their
capacity
to
figure
out
how
to
contribute
to
a
project,
and
then
is
there
a
proposed
way
of
attacking
the
proposed
project?
You
know
well
fleshed
out
well
thought
out.
G
B
So
armstrong's
question,
I
think,
was:
do
we
have
a
history
of
how
many
people
had
expressed
interest
and
how
many
people
were
essentially
awarded
just
so
so
if
there
were
20
people
that
had
expressed
interest
in,
say,
seven
like
came
on
for
the
summer
with
with
the
chaos
project,
just
to
give
people
an
understanding
of
what
the
likelihood
of
success
might
be
or
how
competitive
it
might
be.
I
think.
B
G
And
I
was
yeah,
I
was
trying
to
answer
that
question
be
when
it
comes
to
the
interest.
I
guess
the
only
thing
that
you
add
is
there
are
there
are
lots
of
students
who
ask
questions
on
the
microtasks,
but
never
do
a
pull
request
or
never
submit
a
proposal,
and
so
I
would
include
those
in
the
ones
so
as
a
percentage,
those
would
be
included.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
the
people
who
have
actually
submitted
proposals.
G
D
A
A
G
G
So
I
think
students
are
learning
or
sharing
with
each
other.
What
a
good
proposal
looks
like,
I
think,
I
think,
also
the
students
who
are
accepted.
They
end
up
being
advocates
for
our
projects
and
for
the
gsoc
program
in
general,
and
I
know
like
in
the
case
of
auger,
most
of
the
ones
all
except
one.
One
of
the
six
we
had
last
summer
has
continued
to
contribute
to
auger,
so
I
think
there's
a
they
enjoy.
They
enjoy
participating
with
the
chaos
project,
and
then
they
tell
their
friends.
G
A
Okay,
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
because
we
do
have
other
issues
to
discuss
and
we
have
about
24
minutes
left.
So,
let's
move
on
the
next
one
to
talk
about
is
groups.io.
Let's
talk
about
it
again,.
B
Yeah
here
it
is
again
so
this
is
from
like
two
years
ago.
So
obviously
we
have
the
lists,
the
email
list
and
we
currently
have
these
chaos
groups
for
chaos
and
groups
for
chaos
dei
they're,
hidden.
B
B
The
email
list
that
we're
using
right
now
is
no
longer
supported
at
the
linux
foundation,
so
I
mean
it's
okay,
we
have
administrative
rights
to
it,
but
I
just
I
think
it's
slowly
being
deprecated
that
platform.
So
there
you
go.
B
That's
the
question:
do
we
want
to
move?
Do
we
want
to
run
to
in
in
parallel,
georg?
Maybe
we
could
encourage
google
summer
of
code
people
who
are
interested
to
start
using
groups.io
like
that,
might
be
just
listening
to
doc.
That
might
be
a
good
place
to
move
that
conversation.
I
don't.
E
D
E
I
think,
for
I
mean,
if
I
remember
from
a
few
or
several
years
ago,
when
I
went
through
this
migration,
I
think
for
like
most
people
you're
not
going
to
notice
any
change
you're
just
going
to
get
your
email
through
your
inbox,
it
just
it
makes
it
easier
for
like
administrators,
because
groups
io
actually
has
a
user
interface
versus
the
other
mailing
list.
So
I
think
for
most
people
they
won't
notice
any
of
their
friends.
E
Of
a
mailing
list
is,
is
nice,
especially
if
it's
well
developed
so
yeah?
I
mean,
I
think,
for
most
people
you
just
get
these
email
in
your
whatever
your
email
client
is
anyways,
whether
it's
gmail
or
whatever
it
is.
I
don't
think
most
people
will
make
any
difference,
but
I
guess
this
is
my
way
of
saying.
E
C
D
C
A
A
E
E
A
I
mean
the
the
topic
of
discourse
is
an
interesting
one,
because
I
think
in
the
past
we
have
talked
about
a
forum
type
of
communication,
but
I
don't
really
remember
where
that
conversation
went.
If
we
just
decided
eh,
we
have
enough
with
github
and
all
in
the
calls
and
everything
else.
If
that's
too
much
is
that,
does
anyone
else
remember
that
those
conversations.
J
F
B
I
mean
I
think
that
was
the
one
advantage
so
like.
If
I
look
at
something
like
discourse
like
how
sustain
uses
it,
I
really
I
like
the
history
of
the
entire
conversation
around
a
topic.
It's
nice,
it's
easy
to
read
and
scroll
back
up
and
down
as
to
what's
going
on
there
does.
If
groups
does
that,
I
think.
J
J
J
It
also,
it
also
allows
you
to,
I
think,
to
subscribe
to
kind
of
sub
topics,
and
then
you
can,
you
can
go
through
and
you
can
kind
of
unwrap
those
topics.
B
D
B
J
Still
work
yeah,
I'm
I'm
in
it
right
now.
Yes,
that's
I'm
looking
at
the
features,
and
that
is
that
is
something
you
can
do
with
that.
Okay,
cool.
D
B
D
A
A
A
The
registration
link
is
in
the
minutes.
If
you
want
to
I
just
kevin.
I
to
an
answer
to
your
question:
is
the
webpage
created?
I
literally
just
did
that
three
minutes
before
the
meeting
the
meeting
started.
So,
yes,
it
is,
but
it's
not
anywhere
else.
So,
if
you
want
to,
if
we,
I
can
do
a
pull
request
to
add
it
somewhere.
If
we
want.
A
For
some
reason
it
didn't
recognize
that
it
looks
like,
but
as
an
actual
link,
but
that's
okay,
sean!
You
want
to
talk
a
little
about
what
we're
doing
at
that
hackathon.
Just
like
super
quick.
G
Yeah,
the
hackathon
is
going
to
focus
on
building
auger,
metrics
collection
data
collection
workers
and
showing
folks
how
that
part
is
done
and
how
to
you
know
if
you've
got
a
data
source
that
you
want
to
collect
data
from
that
we
don't
currently
collect
data
from.
We
have
a
pretty
good
pattern
that
we
just
released.
Agar
just
did
a
release.
G
Last
night
we
labeled
it
covid
party,
because
what
else
would
we
label
it
when
I'm
responsible
for
labeling
and
pretty
excited
about
just
talking
to
people
about
what
kind
of
data
we
want
to
collect
and
showing
them
that
we
sort
of
have
a
standard
base
set
of
methods
that
all
the
workers
use
now
and
it's
much
easier
to
build
a
new
data
collection
worker?
So
I'm
excited
about
the
hackathon.
C
Okay,
so
thank
you
sean
for
organizing
the
events.
I
thank
you
to
requested
for
we
new
members,
so
I
just
want
to
ask
you
there
will
be
a
similar
event
for
grimoire
lab
because
since
I've
joined
this
organization,
this
is
the
second
event
we
are
organizing
for
august.
I
just
want
to
know
there
will
be
a
similar
event
for
free.
G
I'm
I'm
happy
to
collaborate
with
anyone
at
grimoire,
lab
or
grammar
labs,
of
course,
could
have
their
own
event.
Elizabeth
and
I
kind
of
have
worked
out
a
pattern
for
getting
them
set
up,
and
I
think
I
just
don't
know
as
much
about
grimore
lab,
but
I'm
happy
to
participate
in
that
kind
of
a
hackathon,
and
maybe
georg,
that's
something
you
can
take
back
to
the
grammar
lab
folks
and
see
what
their
availability
is
for
that.
I
know
that
they're
all
quite
busy.
D
G
Yeah
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
announcing,
I
think
by
next
week,
is
these
these
two
hour
sort
of
get
your
computer
configured
sorts
of
hackathons
a
lot
of
what
especially
student
and
early
stage
career
developers
struggle
with
are.
G
They
may
have
more
than
one
version
of
python
installed
and
reconciling
that,
when
you're,
trying
to
create
a
virtual
environment
can
be
a
bit
of
work
and
the
other
thing
sometimes
that
folks
struggle
with
is
if
their
local
operating
system
has
the
right
version
of
gcc
and
fortran
compilers
installed,
and
each
operating
system
has
a
different
way
of
making
those
things
happen.
So
these
separate
events
are
really
intended
to
help
everyone
be
ready
to
work
with.
G
I
think
either
gremore,
lab
or
auger,
because
since
they
both
have
a
lot
of
python,
they
both
probably
have
many
of
those
same
machine
configuration
challenges,
and
so
we'll
put
some
dates
on
the
calendar
for
those
by
the
next
meeting.
J
So
I
I
added
the
I
added
the
link
to
the
web
page
to
the
the
front
page
of
the
chaos
website.
So
there
is
a
there's,
a
connection
hey.
A
J
Kevin
that
was
quick
problem.
Could
we
maybe
think
about
what
a
permanent
presence
on
the
website
would
look
like?
Is
there
how?
How
would
you
want
these
these
hackathons
to
be
represented
on
the
website,
and
should
we
start
adding
them
to
the
shared
calendar
as
well.
G
G
A
So
kevin,
I
think
it
answered
to
your
question,
I
think,
probably
by
sorry
by
the
next.
H
A
A
J
No
pressure
just
just
something
to
think
about.
A
B
D
D
J
D
J
I
It
sounds
like
we
need
a
separate
cause
that
distinguishes
how
we
handle
different
kinds
of
data.
I
think
right
now
we
have
a
pretty
good
list
of
all
the
places
that
we're
collecting
and
we're
sharing
information
back,
but
to
kevin's
point
we
treat
emails
differently
than
we
would
treat
say,
activity
around
the
chaos
project
in
the
dashboard.
B
A
I
So
wondering
if
we
can
borrow
from
say,
like
missed
pii
levels,
just
to
have,
because
I
gen
there's
generally
accessible
gradations
of
pii
and
I'd
love
to
use
a
third-party
definition
versus
creating
our
own.
If
we
don't
have
to.
G
C
I
It
is
right,
yeah
at
google
we
have
our
own,
but
like
we've
defined
it
related
to
our
own
categorization,
whereas
say
like
this
is
more
general,
so
like
low
would
be
public
use,
public
content,
medium
being
email,
no
confidential
data,
but
still
personally
identical
identifiable
information
were
highly
sensitive,
would
include
ip
to
financial
records
to
social
security
numbers.
So
that's
clearly
in
a
much
higher
echelon
than
anything
else,
so
kind
of
handling
low
and
medium
by
this
definition,
but
I'm
not
looking
at
the
nist
site.
G
I
I
could
poke
around
and
see
if
I
can
find
any
ones
that
I
like,
because
it
looks
like
everybody
has
their
own.
But
if
there's
more
standard
like
I
would
love
it
to
come
from
something
like
nist,
because
well
it's
generally
a
standard
level
organization
that
most
people
draw
their
security
policies
around.
J
Agreed
what
about
when
we
create
when
we
create
contributor
lists.
I
J
That,
maybe
that
goes
in
the
the
up-
the
the
previous
section,
the
community
community
data
policy
just
like
by
by
participating
this
project,
your
your
identity
may
be
used
to
create
contributor
lists,
or
you
may
be
mentioned
in
a
tweet
or
things
like.
A
I
was
just
gonna
have
to
cut
it
off,
so
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Already
matt.
We
had
two
things
we
didn't
get
time
to
talk
about,
should
we
add
them
to
next
time
or
what
do
you
want
to
do.