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CHAOSS.Community.Jan.7.2020

A

You volunteers, Vinod all right thanks.

B

More all.

A

Right: okay, so January 7th, 2020 I'm, resisting this 2020 pun, the candidate metrics are under release and Kevin. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that and maybe remind us of the process and whatnot? Okay? Yes, just a second! Let me.

C

Pull up the release page so for this, for this release we actually do have a it's a shortened release period in the past. We we have.

D

Shortened review period. You me.

C

Yeah review period. Sorry, in the past we had a 30-day review period for this. One I believe we're at about 24 days, yeah slightly shorter, but I am pasting. The the website link no.

C

Any if you have any comments about the structure of the webpage, please please let me know you can do that by opening an issue in the website repository or creating a pull request to fix it. So are these.

A

This looks like the metrics that are already released to me so.

C

We for for the metrics releases we release, we release the complete set of metrics right surya.

B

This.

C

Really includes the metrics that were that we released last.

A

Last release as well, so yes, there's I, don't think we have any common metrics released. So you have two common metrics.

E

Common metrics released yeah.

A

There's two is all right and it looks like a level ushion I know who thinks they released more than because I think there's only one more here than was in the previous release.

C

Evolution did some restructuring as well yeah.

A

This doesn't seem like the complete list honestly.

C

It may not be so I'm pulling this list from the.

C

From where sorry, unless you read from the spreadsheet that uh okay so hurry so.

F

There might be a spread, II should be.

C

The spreadsheet should be the definitive list of what's being released. You know so I actually for for risk. I actually did make a comment for one of the metrics yeah.

D

It.

C

Looks like one of the metrics that was released in the last release for a risk is not being released in this site.

A

Though,.

C

I, don't know that that was no.

A

That would make no sense, I'm, so I think there's a not a shared understanding, at least for evolution and risk of what's supposed to be in the spreadsheet here. Let me.

C

Share the spreadsheet real, quick.

A

So okay I see so it's nothing has been changed, but there shouldn't be anything. That's coming out of release that we wouldn't have done that so.

C

In in risk, you have the you have that one SP DX document and transparency, yeah I was one I'm wondering if that so.

A

We have metric was so.

C

So.

A

Risk has risk has one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight metrics that are listed as ready on the spreadsheet I'm looking at right, so there's only four on the website unless I'm looking at the wrong thing, just as.

C

Okay, you have one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and.

A

Then, on the website, I see four. Unless some is everyone I'll see in this, is it just me and.

D

My stupid data for Andrus yeah.

A

It doesn't seem like the websites up to see it with.

C

So the business relaxed.

D

Eight are in full categories. If you count in each category, total becomes eight. So, for example, in the focus media business we you have two metrics committers an elephant factor. So if you count all of these important degrees, it becomes eight. Okay,.

A

All right, I see. Okay, that's the focus area is okay, I'm, sorry, now, I'm getting at I wasn't scanning down to focus area. I was I was thinking those were focus. It says, focus areas I'm, an idiot, okay, alright, so yep. Each of each release metric then has a set of issues related to it.

A

Does it all seen this.

A

So I guess the main point is that.

A

All right, so the main, the main point is that we should be reviewing and adding comments where we have comments prior to release right.

A

Is anybody there? uh Yes, yeah I'm here all right dawn, any thoughts, comments.

E

No I'll be honest: I still have to go back there and look at look at their release page and then dig into it. Yeah.

A

What little being.

E

Acquired by VMware on the 30th that has pretty much sucked up all of all of my time, I missed.

A

That news flash congratulations, sure.

E

Oh.

C

John in the previous release, risk released the Bill of Materials yeah.

A

And there's Metron right I think we may have changed the name of it. Jim license coverage or something. Oh is.

C

That what it is, it's called license: coverage, yeah, I, think I wasn't.

A

Sure that his dad.

C

Or if it was the SPX document well,.

A

I guess it would yeah you're right. It's the SPD Ecch well.

A

The metric itself shouldn't have done taken down it. Just should have had its name changed. Okay, so I know and I thought SPD, X, Dec, so I guess I have to go through this and make sure this is complete from a risk perspective and I can do that. Offline, okay and I- guess yeah, some of it. So some of the working group people who are starting this is day two of the real work week again we'll get our stuff I'm gonna get my stuff together this week this is gonna be a great year.

A

I can feel it.

A

Kevin you mute by the way so I know if your Auto muting or what the.

C

Nod and I are in the same room so I'm if I'm not talking I'm trying to mute immediately. So if he talks, we don't echo, got it yeah.

C

So, oh as so as I was saying earlier, the review period is shorter. It's it's 24 days, so the next step now would be to ask the ask the working groups to go through and make sure that release as it appears on the website, is how they would like to look and that the the detail pages that that are displaying are correct, and then, following that, we would also ask everyone to to kind of go through the list and and make some comments on especially metrics outside of their their own work group. Yeah.

A

I think that's important I'll make a point to go through all of them.

C

So during this period, so the the metrics freeze, just to be clear- the metrics freeze means that we are not going to be releasing any new metrics other than the ones that are here. However, that does not mean that we cannot do work on the metrics that we are releasing now.

A

Although I think, if there's one that we've lost for some reason and we'll put it back so.

C

We we can be working on these and editing them.

A

Yeah sufferable of materials is still a metric in risk and I know that it's a hot button, but the only thing we would do to it is change it. We wouldn't remove the existence of a metric, okay.

C

So I wasn't sure if it was being replaced with sp DX document that may be. The intention was.

F

Xp ax document has the most recent version of the Google document as the most recent version of the metric at this point. So.

C

And as far as the as far as the spreadsheet goes, it says that that SPD, X document L page is metric, is not ready for release. So.

F

Yes, we have to put in like rolling.

C

Back the the software Bill of Materials metric from the previous release.

F

Yes,.

C

We are okay, so I think as far as uh I know so Matt is uh Matt is putting together the the release notes document. It would be very helpful if you were to send him a note with that type of information so that he can uh in his release notes. He can say that we rolled back one metric for risk.

A

Yeah we're not gonna roll back a metric for risk. We're gonna knock we're not gonna unruly symmetric that doesn't.

C

Make any sense then just update the spreadsheet and, let me know and I will I will fix it on the website. So there's a Google Doc for.

A

It like I, don't yeah I, guess we can discuss this in the risk. Meeting or I can just fix it, but we would at most we would just change the name of a current document. We wouldn't or a current metric.

A

So all right, what's the next agenda item.

D

Next is.

A

So, who I know I've kind of been involved in cask and are we moving right along? Is there I, don't think there's any way from grimore lab on today? Is there my.

E

Assumption is that we should be moving right along I. Don't think that, there's anything really there's not much left to do from kind of a organizational standpoint aside from promotion and getting people registered, but I don't have access to the number of people who are registered. I. Think georg, has that, so we should probably get an update from him just to get a feel for how many people are registered. I did finally register yesterday. Oh I haven't.

A

Been registered actually so I.

E

Suspected I was not the only one, which is why I mentioned that you suspected.

C

Correctly so the nod is on vacation I'm, sorry, not Vinod Georg is on vacation. We. If we need that update prior to FOSDEM, we will probably need to reach out to him and get him to email us that specific information cuz he I doubt you will be at any meetings prior to chaos. Scott, okay,.

E

We can I wonder I'm, okay, I'm.

A

Sure somebody.

E

Else has access to that. We just need to find out who so we know who to get updates from okay.

G

Yeah, the only other thing is I, don't know if he got confirmation from all the speakers. I know there was at least one that hasn't gotten back to us. Did I get back to you. I think you did I mean.

D

Yeah.

G

Right.

D

Away like.

G

People that are usually on this call I'm not worried about its. Let me actually look at this schedule.

G

Yeah, we don't have like couple of slots. We still have lucky in the afternoon right after lunch, we still have tea. Bas Oh, like.

A

Tva's, like we don't even have people there or we have people.

G

I mean we accept it like the afternoon keynote Michael, Downey and then I know he was like traveling in this. So let me repin him, but it looks like it's just those two slots that are like. We have one in 120 slots as TVA's.

A

Who is the overseer of the program that will make those be filled? I.

G

Mean I think like both Don and I are part of the programming.

D

Committee.

G

So.

D

I need to find out you there I.

G

Need to find the old spreadsheet and see where we are well. Let me get on that. Let.

E

Me know if you need help reaching out to people yeah.

D

Yeah.

G

Just put me on there and I forget: Don was the afternoon keynote, also like you're like a 20-minute slot, or is it 40 minutes like I, wonder why there are two that are TVA's I, don't.

E

I don't know we'll have to look at the also look at the schedule. Spreadsheet I wonder if it just happened to be that the person that was talking after Michael hasn't confirmed either yeah.

G

I'm not sure, like I'm, still bit of a hay in a haze up to the holidays, yeah.

E

Meet you see if I can track that down.

G

Document, oh.

G

Yeah, it's two different people, Cecilia and Michael Downey.

G

Like Cecilia is like waiting for some approval like I, don't know what that means, probably budget to travel, yeah.

E

Yeah.

G

So yeah Michael, Downey I, think York put it as a wall, but let me follow up with them: okay,.

G

Yeah, it looks like both are 20 minutes.

B

I.

G

Was curious about their registration number two I had colleague of mine like who's in Brussels register, so it's at least one more from please.

D

Emailing.

G

I'm, sorry, for not, can you repeat that please who.

D

Is emailing guilt on getting the district a notation.

G

It Shawn were you texting gay, like.

A

About I said in the text sending.

G

A text.

A

I, don't know if you know I mean I usually have my texts on when I'm in Europe, but he's there for a long time. So maybe you won't I can also email him he's.

C

Been he's been responsive, though I I've emailed him and texted him a couple times so, okay,.

A

I'll email him as long I.

B

Think he's on right, or he was on morning I.

B

Don't know actually don't know writers, although gaming.

A

No.

B

Irc I guess: oh okay,.

D

I.

B

Haven't said that word than like two decades,.

B

Their.

A

Cage next agenda: I, don't mean.

A

And Georg and I own those two things so there's no update other than I have reports and I'm China I'm working on getting it to Zephyr.

C

It's there.

A

No presented.

C

At chaos, con yeah.

A

There will be what I expect there to be.

C

Is that an is that part of an individual presentation or will that be kind of the the State of the Union I? Don't I, don't.

A

Recall I, don't recall, probably State of the Union tech stuff.

A

Suffer updates, I, don't I, don't have any big auger updates. We've just done. It's been kind of a slow burn for the beginning of break and we're just starting to get at it again.

A

Net snow, do you have any DNA badging updates, I.

E

Think you're on mute that.

F

Snows.

A

Muted, sorry.

F

About that I started, the read for today, I started the process of kind of flushing out the project right now. So it's not very far yet, but it's been started. Okay,.

A

That's that's the update they're.

A

Not surprisingly, many of us have very little to say, because we're just trying to get our bearings are there any other matters that anyone wants to bring up for this call I think we've got some important follow-up items with reviewing metrics and getting the registration information from georg.

C

As far as the reviewing metrics go, if the, if the work group maintainer x', could kind of reach out to everyone and encourage them to take a look at these documents and review them, it would be quite helpful. This the the 24 days, will will go very fast, yeah well, especially.

A

Since we're seven days into it,.

E

Yeah on the agenda, we have a common meeting on Thursday, so I think we'll probably just use the entire time to just kind of walk through everything. Excellent make sure things look good, yeah.

A

And I guess probably I, don't think anybody probably showed up for the risk meeting, because CES is this week, two people showed up I, think or did they? Oh okay, like.

C

I said I was I was ten minutes late though, and when I got there, everyone was gone. Okay,.

A

I'm sure that point in.

D

Value there were two people only.

D

In the valuable metric group there was a people only on the Friday.

A

Okay,.

C

If you look at the risk document, I think it tells you who is there.

A

Okay, I'll take a look later.

A

Any other things that people want to cover.

A

um Matt asked me to Shepherd the call I'm, gonna, say: I think we're kind of done. I guess this is the first call of the month. So it's supposed to be a sort of a general larger call, but I don't think we have anything more to talk about other than see you all at FOSDEM and chaos con or many of you anyway or at the common meeting on Thursday.

A

Yes,.

E

Exactly everyone come to the common meeting on Thursday all.

A

Right I'm gonna say: if anybody, if nobody objects, unless a great call everyone and talk to you all soon, thanks.

E

Everybody.

A

Thank you.

B

Kevin, are you still around I.

B

Guess you're, muted.