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A
B
Hey
everybody
welcome
to
august
31st
edition
of
the
weekly
chaos
community
call,
I
hope
everyone's
doing
well.
I'm
gonna
drop
the
minutes
into
the
chat
here
and
I
think
everyone
on
the
call
has
been
in
a
meeting
here
before.
But
if
you
haven't,
please
feel
free
to
add
your
name
to
the
list
of
attendees
and
tell
us
something
good.
That's
going
on
in
your
life,
as
seems
to
be
the
the
case,
there's
a
lot
of
bad
stuff
happening.
B
But
if
you
can,
if
you
do
have
anything
good
to
share,
we
would
love
to
hear
that
before
I
start.
Do
we
have
anybody
who
is
down
in
the
new
orleans
area
or
like
lower
alabama
mississippi,
do
we
have
anybody.
B
Not
here
yeah
slack,
but
I
just.
I
hope
that
everyone's
all
right
and
you
guys
do
know
of
anybody.
Yeah,
okay,.
A
B
B
Kind
of
a
mess
down
there
so
yeah.
If
anybody
does
hear
of
any
any
of
our
community
members
that
are
down
there
and
need
any
help
or
anything,
please
let
me
know,
and
we
can
arrange
something
I
don't
know
what
but
we'll
figure
it
out.
So
let
me
know.
B
Yeah
gofundme
or
something
okay,
so
on
to
the
actual
agenda,
just
as
a
reminder,
we
do
have
a
metrics
freeze,
I
guess
starting
today.
Would
it
start
today
or
would
it
start
tomorrow
it
doesn't
probably
really
matter
it.
A
A
A
D
Possible
that
I've
got
overlooked
during
the
website
freeze,
I
tried
to
go
back
and
and
catch
all
of
those,
but
I
I
may
have
missed
some.
D
Get
it
like
missed
it
as
well,
so
so,
when
the
when
the
freeze
happens,
I
will
I
will
make
sure
that
all
of
the
released
metrics
are
on
the
website,
so
that
that's
actually
on
my
to-do
list
to
do
later
on
today
and
then
double
check
it
tomorrow
morning.
D
A
E
One
metric
everything
is
complete
for
other
one,
I'm
not
sure
so
yeah
yeah
out
of
two
in
the
risk
one
I
went
through
all
the
checklist,
but
for
other
one
I
have
not
gone
through
so.
A
F
A
D
Yeah,
I
mean
everything
everything
appears
to
be
good
okay,
so
I
think
that
final,
that
final
step
is
to
just
move
it
to
the
website,
which
I
will
I
will
make
sure
happens
at
the
appropriate
time
here
or
we'll
say
before
before
the
freeze
begins.
How
about
that.
G
I
guess
maybe
my
comment
is
it's
been.
I
I've
liked
the
developments
over
the
course
of
since
the
last
metrics
release
again
with
the
work
of
retic
and
josh,
and
also
the
checklist
that
gayorg
and
lucas
had
spent
time
on.
There
were
a
lot
of
really
nice
improvements
just
in
process
overall.
D
A
Yeah
and
thank
you
to
the
google
summer
of
code
students
and
kevin
and
matt
and
and
vanad,
and
whoever
else
worked
with
them
to
get
this
process
so
well
ironed
out.
I
think
that's
a
this
is
so
much
more
clear
to
me
as
a
periodic
metric
releaser
than
it
was
the
last
time.
So
I
think
that's
a
credit
to
all
that
effort.
So
thank
you
very
much.
B
Okay,
well,
if
we
don't
have
anything
else,
we
can
move
on
and
if
you
think
of
something
else,
we
can
bring
it
back
up
again,
no
worries
at
all.
So
the
second
thing
is
citing
our
work
through
repose
and
citation.cff.
B
So
when
we're
in
the
value
working
group,
we
were
discussing
this
feature
function
whatever
that
github
now
has
where
you
can
generate
a
citation.cff
file,
and
it
will
automatically
include
your
information
in
certain
certain
pieces
of
software.
So
but
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
anything
about
that.
E
Yeah
so
we
tested
the
apa
style
of
citation
for
a
value
working
group
repository.
So
if
anyone
is
using
or
referring
your
value
metric,
they
can
cite
the
value
metric.
So
we
thought
it
will
be
good
if
we
do
the
for
entire
chaos
or
other
repos
or
other
working
groups
or
whatever
the
community
decide,
will
be
one
standard
that
can
be
adopted
for
all
the
working
group
repos.
E
G
G
B
G
E
H
H
Okay,
I
was
just
wondering
about
the
cff,
I
looked
it
up
and
it
says
it's
cad
file
form
or
the
old
format
of
common
file
format.
A
B
Put
a
link
to
github's
help
docs
on
like
how
that
whole
thing
works.
If
anybody's
curious
and
arvan
worked
on
that,
so
if
we
have
problems,
we
will
just
go
yell
at
our
bun.
B
So,
as
a
as
a
point
of
an
action
item,
then,
do
we
want
to
have
someone
add
that
to
all
the
working
groups,
do
we
want
to
discuss
it
in
the
working
groups
like
what
do
we
want
to
do?
Moving
forward
with
this.
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
yeah
the
aim
that
value
had
was
because
we're
working
on
a
metric
in
this
area.
We
we
simply
added
it.
I
think
it
is
useful,
especially
as
academics
or
even
bloggers
might
want
to
cite
facade
or
facade
with
the
tools
or
the
metrics.
This
gives
them
a
way
to
do
it.
When
you
write
a
blog,
you
can
actually
use
a
reference
and
refer
people
to
us
and
it's
a
matter
of
getting
credit,
but
also
a
little
bit
self-promotion
in
the
public
sphere.
I
think.
A
Right,
yeah
and
that
that
was
one
thing
we
kind
of
played
around
with
was
a
so.
The
value
example
is
like
the
best
we
could
come
up
with
to
cite
chaos
using
citation
formats
which
usually
involve
a
first
name.
Last
name.
We
didn't
want
to
enumerate
the
name
of
every
person
involved
in
the
particular
repo,
because
that
seemed
like
a
lot
of
overhead
for
limited
value.
F
I
wonder
if
it's
possible
to
have
a
default
citation
instruction
that
can
be
customized,
but
it's
still
useful
with
the
minimum
of
customization.
That's.
E
Only
thing
we
had
is
like
we
had
a
standard
citation
with
this
jaws
community,
but
for
each
working
group
we
have
a
name
for
value,
it
will
be
v
or
risk.
It
was
r
like
as
an
aps
citation
stand,
so
we
can
change
that
particular
thing,
but
chaos,
community
as
a
whole,
will
remain
same
for
all
the
citations.
A
G
A
Reference,
the
working
group,
that's
the
structure
of
the
full
reference,
so
in
the
yes,
we
played
with
this
a
little
bit
put
it
in
the
zoom
chat.
So
family
name
is
chaos.
Community
that
makes
chaos
community
appear
in
the
inline
citation
and
then
and
a
quote-unquote,
bibliography
or
summary
of
citations.
At
the
end,
chaos
community
become
a
value
working
group.
It
would
further
specify
right
we're
right
from
within
the
case
project.
Yes
yeah.
I
like
that.
I
mean
yeah.
B
I
was
just
going
to
say
you
can
see
an
example
of
it
if
you
go
to
the
work.
The
value
working
group
main
repo,
there's
a
little
thing
under
the
license.
It
says
cite
this
repository
and
if
you
click
on
that,
you'll
see
exactly
what
it
looks
like.
G
G
E
Where
is
it
go
a
little
up
up
up
at
the
very
top
yep
a
little
bit
more
a
little.
H
E
Mit
on
the
right
on
the
left
side,
mit
license
cite
this
repository
below
the
about
section
where
we
have
a
home
right.
B
E
G
Well
then
use,
actually
we
wouldn't
say
this.
Would
we.
A
G
G
A
G
G
G
A
B
Right
so
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
was
an
idea
that
I
had
so,
of
course,
it's
gonna
be
a
brilliant
one.
B
So
I
was
wondering
if
we
should
have
a
community
repo
in
github.
That
would
just
be
like
issues
mostly
where
people,
if
they
can't
join
the
meetings
or
if
they
have
something
to
bring
up
that
there's
like
kind
of
a
central
space
for
it,
because
I
see
like
different
conversations
floating
around
on
mailing
lists
and
slack
and
in
this
call
as
well,
and
it
just
feels
like
it
might
be
a
nice
place
to
have
something
centralized
and
asynchronous.
D
What
the
difference
would
be
between
the
governance,
repo
and
the
community
repo,
because,
right
now,
the
governance
repo
contains
all
of
that,
how
to
contribute
information,
and
I
think
it
contains
a
lot
of
things
that
we
might
see
in
a
community
repo.
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
could
we
use
the
governance
retail
for
this.
A
D
A
I
I
so
I
think
there
are
discrete
governance
questions
that
people
have
about
a
lot
of
in.
I
would
love
to
be
corrected
or
or
correct.
You
know
redirected,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
basic
governance
questions
that
they
would
go
to
the
governance
repo
for-
and
I
would
go
to
that
to
see
like
how
is
this
project
managed.
In
summary,
I'd
go
to
a
community
repo
with
the
question.
How
do
I
get
involved
in
this
community?
G
Let's
see
so
yeah
my
take,
I
think
what
shawn
was
trying
to
say
with
the
rebel
alliance
and
with.
G
Is
that
like,
as
a
as
a
person
like
new
to
the
community
or
even
around
for
a
little
bit,
I
would
have
no
like?
I
would
be
like.
I
am
not
posting
anything
in
a
governance
repo
like
that
seems
like
it's
not
my
thing
so
like
joining
auto
grade
linux,
like
posting,
an
issue
in
governance
is
not
exactly
where
I
would
probably
gravitate
versus
something
like
communities.
So
it's
signaling,
although
I
do
have
a
car,
so
I
think
there's
an
important
something
to
be
said
about
signaling.
D
Yep
right-
and
I
I
agree-
that's
why
I
mentioned
maybe
changing
the
name
of
the
governance
repo
to
make
it
more
kind
of
inviting,
and
I
like
I,
like
matt,
cantu's
idea
of
just
adding
a
governance
folder
to
the
community
repo.
If
we
do
that,
because
I'll
be
honest
with
you
this
the
stuff,
that's
in
the
governance
repo,
I
don't
know
what
would
actually
stay
in
the
governance
repo
and
what
would
move
to
the
community
repo.
My
guess
is,
most
of
it
probably
goes
to
the
community
repo,
probably.
G
D
H
So
why
don't
we
try
to
find
a
way
to
project
charter
to
put
them
kind
of,
and
I
hate
saying
silo
because
I
don't
like
silo
and
things
most
of
the
time?
Why
don't
we
look
at
maybe
putting
these
into
community
based
folders
such
as
governance
or
mentorship,
then
move.
B
Well,
you're
welcome
it
feels
like
this
might,
I
hope,
doesn't
screw
anything
up
though
like
was
we
have
links
spread
out,
so
I
don't
know
what
that
would
do
to
existing
links
from
the
website
and
elsewhere
would
be
the
only
thing,
because
we
do
link
a
lot
to
those
docs
in
the
governance
repo,
like
the
code
of
conduct
and
things
like
that.
So.
E
I
No
there's
not
a
lot
of
things
pointing
into
the
governance
repo
and
with
how
github
works.
When
we
change
the
repository
name,
all
the
old
names
will
still
resolve
and
just
forward
to
the
new
location,
so
changing
the
repo
name
is.
I
don't
expect
any
issues
at
all.
I
And
I'm
okay
with
it
having
a
community
repo,
I
think,
is
more
inviting
as
a
starting
point
than
a
governance
repo
and
enabling
github
discussions
or
something
for
those
permanent
asynchronous
asynchronous
conversations,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea.
Of
course
I
would
prefer
discourse
forum,
but
that's
my
topic
of
the
last
four
years.
D
A
H
D
G
D
Well,
if
we
keep
the
metrics
repo,
which
I
mean,
I'm
I'm
not
arguing
that
we
we
have
to
retire
it
I'm.
I
would
argue
that
we
have
to
define
what
exactly
is
in
it
and
make
sure
if,
if
the,
if
that
repo
exists
for
the
templates
and
for
the
metrics
releases,
then
all
of
that
stuff
should
maybe
exist
in
the
metrics
report,
whereas
right
now
we
have
it
scattered
around
two
different
repositories.
What
are
you
proposing.
D
Either
remove
it
or
consolidate
it,
so
remove
replication
and
redundancy
and
and
define
exactly
what
we're
going
to
use
the
repo
for
is
what
I'm
asking.
G
What's
the
redundancy
that's
in
it
right
now,
we
are,
we
are
creating
templates
in
different
places.
So
it's
a
it's,
not
the
actual
templates
itself.
It's
the
fact
that
templates
exist
in
different
places
where.
A
I
A
Yeah
the
metrics,
I
think
things
that
have
defined
kind
of
the
meta
way.
A
working
group
works
in
a
metrics
repo
makes
it
much
easier
for
a
newcomer
with
an
interest
that
we
haven't
gotten
to
yet
to
create
a
new
working
group
and
follow
all
the
basic
structures
it's
like.
That
would
be
a
really
good
use
of
the
metrics
repo
and
it's
kind
of
where
I
would
naturally
look
for
that.
I
think.
D
D
I
I
D
So
I
think
that
that
would
make
sense
to
me
as
well.
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
repositories
are
are
well
defined,
so
we
know
what
belongs
where
and
there's
not
redundancy
or
replication
in
between
those
repositories.
So
if,
if
we
want
to
move
that
stuff
to
the
metrics
repo,
that
would
be
fine.
Do
we
want
to
move
the
mars
stuff
into
the
metrics
repo
as
well,
because
that
would,
if
we're
doing,
metrics,
checklists
and
things
of
that
nature,
then
we
start
we
get
into
the
metrics
release
area.
H
Yes,
this
conversation
is
moving
very
fast
and
I'm
quite
confused.
Is
there
a
way
we
could?
I
could
take
on
an
action
item
for
this,
but
I
think
it
might
be
best
to
piece
this
out
this
discussion
out
and
handle
it
atomically
like
one
problem
at
a
time,
because
it
seems
like
we're
kind
of
spreading
it
out
into
multiple
like
ideas
and
problems,
and
it
might
just
be
good
to
handle
it
one
at
a.
B
F
Matt
I
like
that
you
are
redirecting
focus
onto
problems
as
opposed
to
solutions
like
in
a
way
the
thing
that
is
making
the
conversation
around
the
metrics
repo
hard
to
hard
to
parse.
Is
that
we're,
starting
with
a
project
as
opposed
to
a
goal?
Mm-Hmm.
F
What's
let
me
propose
one
definition
of
the
goal
just
based
on
the
conversation,
which
is
that
people
don't
new
new
people,
don't
know
what
the
metrics
project
is.
B
Okay,
so
for
now
it
seems
like
we
want
to
rename
the
repo
we're
okay
with
that
and
then
maybe
renaming
some
folders
some
moving
some
things
around,
but
then
we'll
just
stop
right
there
and
see
how
things
go
and
continue
that
conversation.
Maybe
next
time
is
that
fair?
Yes,
awesome,
okay,.
B
Yeah,
so
the
final
thing
on
the
agenda
really
is
just
to
let
everybody
know
that
the
dei
badging
meetings
are
restarting
weeklies.
You
can
see
it
there
on
the
agenda
weekly
on
wednesdays,
at
8,
30
a.m,
u.s
central
chicago
time,
and
there
is
a
different
link
besides
our
chaos,
zoom
link
to
use
so
just
take
note
of
that
maxine.
You
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
H
Yeah,
I
think
the
context
might
be
miss
misunderstood
here,
but
we
have
we've
had
the
wednesday
meetings
at
8
30.,
the
one
that
we're
starting
again
is
10
o'clock,
actually
right
before
this
meeting
on
tuesdays.
H
Problem
no
problem:
well,
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
to
redirect
to.
We
are
having
our
outreach
meetings
specifically
for
the
outreach
of
the
dei
badging
organization
reaching
out
to
a
community
organizers
and
also
event
organizers
and
potential
reviewers,
so
that
that
is
kind
of
grown
into
its
own
meeting
and
we're
starting
it
now
that
the
summer
is
over
back
at
10
10
a.m.
H
B
Thanks
for
clarifying
that
for
me
matt,
I
get
so
confused
on
calendar
stuff.
So
thank
you
too
many
meetings.
Okay,
anything
else
at
the
end
of
this,
this
meeting
before
we
break
to
just
do
a
little
chaos
con
ray.
I
assume
that
you
wanted
the
chaos
committee
to
meet
yeah.
J
Yeah,
I
I
think
it
could
be
open.
I
mean
people
want
to
stay
on.
I
know
that
we
selected
all
the
talks.
I
don't
think
anything's
really
confidential.
It
doesn't
really
matter
or
yeah.
F
J
Cool
so
yeah.
I
think
sofia
is
out
most
of
this
week
so
but
I
mean
as
you've
seen
all
the
accepts
and
declines
have
gone
out
last
week
and
for
all
the
exceptions
we
requested
that
they
get
back
to
us
to
confirm
their
attendance
like
whether
in
person
or
virtually
by
the
end
of
the
week-
and
I
think
we
heard
from
everybody,
with
the
exception
of
two
people,
so
no,
I
think,
you're
good.
J
Okay,
I
think
we
heard
from
you
yeah
it's
actually
a
couple
of
people
from
I
mean
not
that
I'm
singling
them
out
like
a
couple.
People
from
rit
were
waiting
to
hear
back
from
so
hopefully
we'll
hear
back
from
them
soon,
but
they
have
until
friday.
J
The
only
question
mad
is,
I
think,
you're
on
the
email
thread.
The
keynote
speaker.
I
forget
her
name
like
I
realized
I
I
guess
I
didn't
realize
she
was
in
canada,
like
I
thought
she
was
local,
but.
G
A
G
J
Okay,
I
mean
that's
an
option,
but
the
other
like
a
question
that
sophia
and
I
had
was-
is
there
an
option
to
have
her
talk
via
zoom
live
rather
than
send
the
recording?
I
know
that's
not
ideal,
especially
lucky
in
the
room,
but
maybe
that's
a
backup
option.
G
J
Right
yeah,
I
mean
like
yeah,
I
know
kevin
and
others
are
like
helping
with
logistics
and
equipments
and
stuff
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was
that
was
okay
but
yeah.
I
think
that
is
probably
I
mean
who
knows
what
zoom,
in
whatever
cloud
app
you're
using
like
how
it's
going
to
behave
live,
but
if
everything
works,
then
maybe
that's
a
that's
a
decent
option
so
too
and
like
maybe,
we.
G
J
Yeah
and
then
you
know
like
I'll,
you
know,
unfortunately
I
won't
be
there,
but
you
know
if
it's
delivered
over
zoom,
we
can
think
about
collecting
questions
on
like
a
google
doc
or
something
that
that
we
can
read
out
and
and
and
I
can
respond
to
the
assume
but
yeah-
I
I
guess
you
know.
If,
if
that's
you
know
that's
a
viable
option,
then
I
think
we're
good.
Obviously
we
like
to
have
her
there
in
person.
J
I
got
the
sense.
It
was
an
option:
yeah
yeah,
okay,
cool,
so
yeah
this.
All
this
like
pandemic
thing
is
throwing
wrench
into
a
lot
of
things
like
nothing.
We
can
do
so
we'll
do
what
we
can
so
cool
yeah
and
then
once
sophia
is
back,
I
guess
you
know
we
can
start
like
sketching
out
the
schedule
like
in
a
spreadsheet
and
then
we'll
share
with
the
actual
share
with
the
rest
of
the
thing
yeah.
J
G
F
G
J
Well
appreciate
that
yeah
I
mean
worry
about
the
people
that
are
there
like
I'll
I'll,
I'm
sure
I
can
get.
C
Well,
I
still
plan
to
be
there
in
person,
but
I
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
either
they
clamp
down
on
travel
back
from.
F
C
Uk
or
vmware
vmware
at
some
point
might
just
be
like
nope
you're
not
going,
and
I
think
that
that
scenario
is
getting
more
and
more
likely.
But
I.
A
G
J
C
Yeah,
it's
it's
about
a
week
after
the
open
source
summit.
I
think.
J
Oh
okay,
cool
yeah.
I
yeah,
I
think
at
the
same
same
week,
in
the
same
city,
it's
not
in
the
same
convention
center
or
anything
same
facility
like
ones
is
another
project,
that's
happening
at
the
same
time
as
kucon,
and
I
know
that
that's
in
person
still
so
cool
yeah,
I
mean
that's
about
it.
I
guess
I
didn't
need
the
full
10
minutes,
but
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick
update
and
then
we'll
start
scheduling
things
next
week.
Once
sophia
is
back.
H
D
A
D
A
I'm
in
the
av
club
I
have
webcams
projector
screens
projectors
long
wires
totally.
I
nerd
it
out
over
the
wires
like
like
I
have
like.
I
have
like
a
usb
with
the
connected
50
foot
network
cable
too.
So
I
can
do
recordings
like
in
another
part
of
my
basement
and
then
25
foot
usb
cables.
So
I
can
like
do
multiple
cameras
with
what's
coming
called
od
e,
oh
yeah,
obvious
obs
yeah.
I
got
I
got
really
nerdy
about
trying
to
do
high
quality
videos
during
the
pandemic,
because
I'm
weird.
A
H
I'm
not
great,
I
I
I
can
attest
to
having
long
cables
is,
is
a
luxury
for
sure
yeah.
I
C
G
G
I
paid,
I
don't
think,
did
we
talk
about
speakers,
I
maybe
it
wasn't
there.
We
had
talked
about
the
one
conversation
I
was
there
for
was
like
sponsors,
but
I
don't.
I
I
C
A
I
mean
it
wasn't
like
you
know,
I
was
like
I
wanted
to
show
a
friend
what
this
was
all
about
for
like
an
hour,
and
I
had
no
trouble.
B
B
D
Question
from
matt
matt
can
you
can
you
hold
on.
A
Can
you
or
yeah,
okay,
german
prank,
all
right
all
right
thanks.
D
The
swag
store
yeah.
We
probably
need
to
link
that
to
a
a
bank
account
of
some
sort.
G
G
Like
bank
routing
numbers
that
are
associated
with
open
elective
or
I
don't
know,
I'd
have
to
ask
them
where
you
asked
them:
okay,
so
they've
always
been
really
responsive
to
me.
Okay,
so
they're
pretty
easy
to
chat
with.
D
So
are
we
going
to
when
so?
If
we
let's
say
we,
we
create
a
so
we
create
this
swag
store
and
within
the
swag
store,
we
we
have
different
products
that
we
would
give
away.
We
give
them
away
by
creating
a
coupon
code
and
giving
the
coupon
code
to
an
individual
yeah.
Some
of
those
products
might
be
like
a
speaker
package
where
you
know
it's
a
bunch
of
stuff
yep.
G
We
should
probably
ask
them
to
pay
for
shipping
that
could
get
kind
of
that's
what
I
was
thinking
as
well.
You
know
what
I
mean.
D
That's
what
I
was
thinking
as
well,
and
that's
and
that's
the
that's.
Why
that's
why
I
think
an
e-commerce
site
is
probably
the
best
the
best
way
to
do
this.
I
mean
there
are
other
ways
we
could
do
it,
but
with
an
e-commerce
site
the
shipping
is
built
in
and
we
can
collect
the
money
for
it,
but
we
do
need
to.
We
do
need
that
money
to
go
someplace.
D
G
D
Well,
if
you
want
to
do
that,
we
could
set
up
something
like
that
too.
D
D
D
Yes,
yeah,
okay,
okay,
then
I
will
I'll
let
you
know
if
I
need
anything
else
on
that
yeah.
Let
me
know
what
they
say
right
now.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thanks,
bye.