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A
I
do
awesome,
hey
everyone
and
welcome
to
january
19th
edition
of
the
weekly
community
call
for
chaos.
We're
really
glad
to
see
everyone
here.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
in
the
middle
of
your
busy,
probably
busy
days
or
not
busy
days.
B
A
Yeah
seems
like
today
is
the
day
to
meet
and
greet
so.
Let's
jump
right
in
the
minutes
have
been
posted
in
the
chat.
If
you
need
them
posted
again,
we
can
do
that
if
you
feel
like
adding
your
name
to
the
agenda,
that
would
be
great.
A
I'm
adding
mine
now
hope
everyone's
doing
good.
Today,
my
parents,
I'm
just
gonna,
give
them
a
quick
shout
out
they're
celebrating
their
57th
wedding
anniversary
this
week,
which
is
very
weird
to
me,
like
that
seems
like
a
long
time
to
be
with
any
other
human
being
on
this
earth
and
the
the
weird
thing
is
too.
This
is
a
little
personal,
but
that's
all
right,
they're,
both
sadly
bedridden
but
they're
in
the
same
room,
even
so
like
they're.
A
Yeah
little
buddies,
so
yeah
shout
out
to
them
hope
everyone
is
doing
all
right.
Otherwise,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
pretty
short
agenda.
So
if
you
feel
like
adding
something
on
that,
maybe
we
haven't
had
time
to
talk
about
in
the
past
that
we've
sadly
overlooked.
Please
feel
free
to
do
so
in
the
agenda.
A
First
off
we'll
just
go
over
quickly
action
items
from
last
week
and
I
think
I
only
saw
one
which
was
on
poor
kevin,
which
I
don't
even
know.
If
kevin
is
here.
D
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
because
I
actually
I
wrote
that
down
on
a
stick.
It
note
and
it
fell
behind
my
desk,
so
I
completely
forgot
about
it
till
just
now,
but
I
will
I
will
have
that
document
created
for
the
next
video.
A
And
that
is
an
excellent
excuse.
Actually
I
might
steal
that
in
the
future.
So
I
hope
that's
all
right.
I
think
everyone
here
has
the
permission
to
do
that.
Just
the
old
last
sticky
note
is
perfect.
I
love
that
so
much
yeah
no
worries
kevin
at
all.
That
was
like.
A
I
said
the
only
action
item
that
I
even
saw
from
last
week
so
and
that
was
not
even
for
you
know
a
while
so
yeah
does
anybody
have
anything
to
say
about
that
state
of
the
metrics
report
that
maybe
you
thought
of
between
last
week
and
this
week.
E
A
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
head
shaking,
no,
so
we'll
move
on
fair
enough.
We
just
had
a
really
fantastic
discussion
in
the
risk
working
group
about
dependencies,
and
I
don't
know
if
someone
sean,
if
you
want
to
give
a
quick
brief,
update
or
summary
of
what
was
discussed
for
the
rest
of
the
people
on
the
call.
B
Or
not
so
very
briefly,
there
have
been
probably
three,
maybe
four
months
of
very
detailed
discussion
of
the
different
kinds
of
metrics.
The
way
that
they
might
be
interpreted
as
that
pertains
to
dependencies
been
very
extensive
discussions
that
haven't
resulted
in
any
actual
metrics,
and
so
I
think
we've
been
sorting
the
space
and
at
today's
meeting
we
sorted
the
space
into
three
possible
categories
upstream:
dependency,
metrics,
downstream
dependency,
metrics.
B
Orthogonal
to
that
we
discussed
how
organizations
would
interpret
or
operationalize
discrete
metrics,
and
it's
fairly
clear
that
comprehensive
in
comprehensive
analysis
of
multiple
metrics
would
be
required
to
make
any
assessment,
and
in
fact
it
was
said-
and
I
think
it's
true-
that
really
any
metric
that
provides
insight
into
the
health
of
a
project
could
be
considered
a
dependency
metric
for
a
particular
dependency.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
my
brief
summary
of
what
we.
A
Discussed
and
for
anyone
else
who
is
interested
in
joining
that
conversation,
I
think
sean
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we're
going
to
keep
that
in
the
risk
working
group
for
now
and
right
now.
Those
is
that
true,
that's
true
right.
B
Yeah
at
least
yeah,
at
least
at
least
for
now.
I
think
I
think
we
could
there
could
come
a
point
where
a
more
of
an
initiative
is
required
along
the
lines
of
the
badging
program
or
the
community
reports,
because
it
is
such
a
comprehensive
set
of
questions
that
need
to
be
asked,
but
for
now
having
a
target
of
developing
some
discrete
metrics
in
those
focus
areas,
I
think
that's
the
place
to
start
risk
is
where
that
discussion
is
happening
right
now,
although
again
it
depends.
B
Yeah
they
they
do
right
now
there
is
a
little
bit
of
we're.
Still.
We
we're
gonna,
send
this
on
a
survey
to
the
regular
participants
in
that
group.
We
may
change
the
time
in
the
next
month,
but
of
course
we
would
let
you
know
in
a
chaos
newsletter,
probably.
A
Amazing,
yeah
and
well
I'll,
probably
also
post
it
to
the
mailing
list.
So
if
you're
not
subscribed
to
the
chaos
general
mailing
list,
this
might
be
an
excellent
time
to
do
so.
It's
low
traffic,
so
don't
worry
about
it.
Filling
your
email
box
inbox.
E
I'd
just
like
to
say
it
was
a
really
impressive
group
of
people
providing
their
their
insight.
So,
thanks
to
those
who
are
providing
the
insight,
it's
really.
F
Well,
I
just
I
feel,
like
we've
finally
made
some
progress,
we've
been
discussing
this
topic
for
a
long
time
and
I
think
at
the
outcome
of
this
we
have
two
definitive
areas
of
focus
and
ideas
of
how
to
split
metrics.
So
now
it's
a
question
of
what
can
we
actually
achieve
because
it's
a
measurable
thing
and
then
apply
that
to
what
we
have
outlined
as
a
potential
organizational
structure.
E
G
A
All
right,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
the
community
reports
I
see.
Matt
g
is
typing
as
we
speak
on
that
or.
E
So
we've
been
for
those
of
you
a
lot
of
you
know:
we've
been
starting
to
develop
community
reports
right
where
communities
can
just
submit
a
really
simple
request
based
on
some
kind
of
composite
metrics,
and
we
provide
that
report
back
as
a
pdf
and
we've
been
getting
traction
on
requests
for
the
community
reports,
and
one
of
the
questions
we
ask
is
whether
or
not
we
can
post
that
community
report
publicly
online,
and
this
is
mostly
just
for
kevin-
I
guess
in
bernard
too,
but
when
it's
not
on
so
I'll
circle
back
with
him,
we're
just
gonna
put
those
right
for
the
time
being
in
a
github
repo
kevin.
E
A
Like
that,
maybe
community
health.
E
E
E
D
I
can
I
could
just
throw
in
a
couple
links
to
the
pdfs
if
they
want
to
see
example,
reports
on
the
on
the
request
on
the
request
form
itself
or
would
be
great
in
the
area
above
the
request.
E
A
D
Very
oh:
go
ahead.
I
was
just
gonna
say:
is
there
a
specific
task,
you're
requesting
right
now?
Do
you
do
you
want
me
to
add
those
links
currently?
Do
you
want
me
to
change
the
banner
on
the
website?
Is
there
something
specific
that
you're
asking
me
to
do,
or
just
is
this
just
in
the
future?
We
need
to
think
about
this
stuff.
E
Let
me
let
me
get
if
not
to
get
those
reports
in
there
right
now:
okay
and
then
once
he
does,
that
I'll
circle
back
with
you,
and
maybe
we
can
add,
change
the
banner
okay,
so
nothing
right
now,
but
maybe
something
in
just
a
few
days.
Okay,.
A
A
A
Okay,
awesome
and
I've
lost
the
doc
because
I
was
looking
for
the
github
repo.
So
let
me
go
back
to
our
agenda
here,
because
I
I
can't
multitask.
I
absolutely
cannot
do
that.
So
apologies,
okay
found
it
all
right.
It
looks
like
matt.
Snell
wants
to
bring
up
the
google
summer
of
code,
but
I
do
is
matt
on
here.
A
I
don't
see
him
either.
Do
we
want
to
discuss
that
without
him,
since
you
want
to
brought
it
up.
E
Yeah
so
I
mean
well,
I
can
I've
stopped
doing
the
issue
because
I
I
can't
do
two
things,
but
I
think
the
application
window
is
open
or
opening,
and
so
it's
really
just
it's
a
forum.
We
need
to
fill
out
as
a
community
to
participate
in
google
summer
code,
there's
not
much
to
it
and
we've
done
it
in
the
past.
So
folks,
I
don't
see
anybody
from
morelab
on
right
now,
but
you
know
we
just
define
a
few
tasks
that
students
could
connect
with.
E
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
way
to
carry
your
forward
carry
forward
your
application
from
last
year,
so
you
just
have
to
refill
out
everything,
but
it's
like
a
logo
and
the
link
to
the
you
know
page
and
who
would
be
the
organizational
reps
you
know
like
emails.
It
doesn't
take
too
long
to
fill
out.
A
B
Yeah,
that's
correct.
In
the
past,
we've
defined
a
set
of
projects
and-
and
I
think
last
year,
vlogger
defined
six.
I
think
that
was
too
many
to
manage
so
we're
thinking
like
one
or
two
this
year,
and
I
I'm
hoping
vermour
lab,
also
continues
to
be
interested
in
participating.
A
Would,
as
an
aside,
would
our
website
migration
fall
in
under?
That
is
that
is
that
cody
enough
or
not.
D
It's
it
is
not
very
cody,
but
there
is
there.
Probably
with
the
migration
coming
up.
There
probably
is
work
that
adding
adding
a
google
summer
of
code
student
or
an
outreachy
student
to
the
project
would
help.
But
it's
there
is
not
yeah,
it's
not
not
a
lot
of
code,
it's
mostly
text
content
and
website
structuring,
although
we
we
do
also
have
the
the
kind
of
marketing
audit
and
diversity
and
inclusion
audit
that
we
want
to
do
on
the
website.
D
E
B
E
So
sean
and
whomever
from
grimoire
lab
will
just
update
that
ideas,
page
the
markdown
page
and
then
we'll
essentially
clear
out
the
interest
page
and
students
just
have
to
issue
prs
to
that
interest
page
based
on
microtasks
and
for
an
associated
project
that
they're
interested
in.
J
Just
a
quick
question:
are
we
just
focusing
around
only
primal,
lab
and
other
projects
so
like
we
can
revolve
around
like
some
of
the
mechanics
of
money
ideas
for
the
community
report
like
I
have
a
idea
related
to
the
commentary
reports,
but
not
sure
if
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
check
in
with
those
insights.
Maybe
I
can
try
preparing
out
a
draft
and
share
it
on
the
community
list
on
admitting
this.
B
Yeah,
I
think
automation
of
the
community
reports
is
a
potential
chaos
level
project.
B
It
would
involve
a
reasonable
amount
of
coding.
I
think
you'd
have
to
be
careful
or
you
would
need
to
be
specific
about
how
you
intended
that
to
happen.
You
might
need
to
talk
to
both
blogger
and
grammar
lab
folks
and
like
in
terms
of
specifying
language.
I
think
you're
pretty
safe
with
python,
but
I
think
there'd
also
be
some
yeah,
yeah,
javascript
or
other
kinds
of
styling
tools.
That
would
be.
J
A
A
B
Sure
we've
done
a
couple:
we've
done
a
number
of
things.
One
is
the
we've
accelerated
the
rate
at
which
we're
able
to
collect
pull
requests,
we've
also,
which
has
been
there
since
there
are
so
many
pieces
of
full
requests.
It
requires
a
lot
of
api
calls,
so
we've
refactored
the
way
the
workers
function
and
do
a
lot
more
multi-threading
and
that
actually
would
apply
to
all
the
workers
but
pull
requests
most
significantly.
B
We
went
through
a
rather
significant
discussion
as
a
team
over
the
break
about
how
to
make
our
front
end
faster
and
we've
done
a
very
early
prototype
of
that
using
actually
bootstrap
and
the
caching
strategy
that,
frankly,
just
flies,
so
our
early
prototypes
of
that
are
very
exciting
and
I
hope
to
be
releasing
that
quite
soon
and
then
finally,
the
the
integration.
So
when
I
mentioned
six
google
summer
of
code,
workers
was
a
lot.
B
B
So
I've
spent
a
number
of
months,
organizing
prioritizing
and
serializing
the
work
that
they
do,
so
they
don't
conflict
with
each
other,
and
we
have
a
branch
that
we
are
fairly
close
to
being
able
to
release
that
that
will
put
those
workers
out
in
the
wild
and
make
a
lot
of
you
know
automated
detections
of
clusters
and
discourse
anomalies
and
things
like
that
instantly
visible.
A
B
B
I
think
I
think
the
the
key
is
that
we
are
actively
taught
you
know
working
with
a
number
of
folks
in
chaos
and
that's
helping
the
tool
improve
and
become
useful
to
a
broader
audience
and
we're
excited
about
we're
excited
about
that
and
really
appreciative
of
all
of
the
people
who
have
worked
with
us
and
been
patient
with
us
when
I
have
made
stupid
mistakes
honestly,
my.
A
Does
anybody
have
questions
for
sean?
I
know
that
another.
I
guess
outreach
initiative
that
shawn's
going
to
be
running
are
monthly,
augur
hackathons,
which
more
information
on
that
is
tbd.
But
if
anyone
has
any
questions
or
wants
to
get
involved
in
the
agar
program
or
know
someone
who
might
be
interested
in
contributing
to
an
open
source
project,
now's
your
chance
to
ask
sean
about
that.
B
And
I'll
just
say,
the
thought
here
is
that
every
other
week
to
one
hour,
software
meeting
isn't
the
kind
of
thing
that
engages
people
who
want
to
play
with
software
and
so
by
having
less
frequent
but
longer
form.
Hackathons
would
would
let
people
who
want
to
try
auger
and
are
having
a
problem
or
want
to
add
a
feature
to
auger
or
participate
in
a
in
a
longer
form,
virtual,
obviously
hackathon
that,
where
where
we,
you
would
learn
something
and
perhaps
together
we
could
build
something.
A
B
A
That
so,
everyone
should
stay
tuned
for
more
information
on
that,
as
we
sort
all
that
out.
Yes,
okay,
let's
move
on
how
we
doing
on
time
we're
doing
fantastic.
Oh
my
gosh,
we're
so
productive.
I
love
this.
So
the
next
item
says
working
group
updates,
but
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
B
Evolution
was
is
going
to
be
weekly,
so
we're
going
to
have
an
evolution
meeting
tomorrow,
driving
toward
releasing
some
metrics,
so
it'll
be
weekly
through
the
metrics
release
and
a
very
little
report,
because
our
first
meeting
was
the
first
week
of
like
real
life
and
like
a
lot
of
groups
that
met
that
week,
we
didn't
have
like
super
high
participation.
K
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
common
working
group.
I
think
what
we
spent
most
of
our
time
on
this
past
meeting,
which
was
two
weeks
ago,
so
there's
another
meeting
on
thursday,
but
I
think
we
talked
about
the
time
between
review
cycles,
which
we
might
have
renamed
review
cycle
duration
with
a
within
a
change
request.
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that
particular
metric.
E
I
E
I
I
can
so
dni
has
been
focusing
quite
a
bit
on
the
badging
program.
Still
so,
there's
project
moving
through
badging
and
they've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
around
badging
outreach,
which
has
been
really
great
trying
to
coordinate
with
event
organizers,
particularly
for
the
dni
event.
Badging,
a
lot
of
people
are
expressing
a
lot
of
interest,
and
so
that's
moving
very
very
positively.
E
So
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
give
a
shout
out
to
matt
snell
and
all
of
his
work
kind
of
in
in
the
recent
weeks,
trying
to
think
in
terms
of.
E
In
terms
of
metrics,
we
still
have
several
that
are
under
the
current
review
period
and
right
now,
I'm
trying
trying
a
blank
if
we
worked
on
something
metrics
wise
last
week,
so
slow
and
steady
progress
on
metrics
development.
H
Well,
I
can
give
an
overview
of
value
real,
quick.
We
did
a
little
bit
of
a
year
in
review
where,
where
were
we
around
this
time
last
year,
which
was
quite
different?
So
if
you
haven't
hung
out
in
value
in
a
while
come
check
us
out,
but
I'll
leave
the
recap
for
self
exploration.
H
In
a
nutshell:
we've
really
centered
into
some
clear
focus
areas,
one
of
which
has
come
up
that
kevin
wants
to
spearhead
in
in
the
working
group
on
academic
value,
which
may
overlap
quite
a
bit
in
what
metrics
are
measured,
but
the
perceived
the
way
the
value
is
perceived
is
quite
different
and
that's
the
nuance
we're
trying
to
navigate
in
that
space
of
the
perception
of
value
versus
in
the
different
contexts.
People
are
in,
and
logistics
we've
been
holding
down
the
thursday
10
a.m.
Central
slot
every
other
week.
H
That's
not
working
so
well
for
some
frequent
contributors,
so
we're
looking
to
adjust
we'll
we'll
get
a
thread
going
on
the
mailing
list
to
try
to
work
the
logistics
out
or
maybe
just
defer
to
matt
to
matt
g
to
give
the
final
sort
of
income
np
complete
problem
of
timing,
everything
in
a
week
but
yeah,
that's!
What's
up.
E
I
was
wondering:
are
there
evolution
meets
weekly?
Now
I
really
like
the
offset
schedule
that
you
had
with
common.
You
know
what
I
mean
just
because
it's
same
yeah,
it's
really
nice,
I'm
wondering
dni
is
a
weekly
evolutions.
Weekly
risk
is
every
other
week,
so
maybe
we
move
as
yeah.
I'm
just
told
yeah
totally
thinking
out
loud.
I
think
risk
might
be
moving
a
little
bit,
but
maybe
just
pay
attention.
I
can
pay
attention
to
when
it
moves
to
and
communicate
that
back.
B
I'll
send
the
I'll
send
the
the
sort
of
available
time
thing
to
the
whole
list
so
that
anybody
who
is
in
europe
and
wants
to
participate
in
risk
can
we
previously
been
meeting
at
4
p.m
on
thursday,
which
basically
made
it
impossible
for
anyone
in
europe
to
participate
and
with
the
focus
on
dependencies
that
that
may
need
to
that
time
might
need
to
be
off
the
table.
But
I
need
a.
I
need
evidence
of
that
in
the
survey.
C
B
Yes,
yes,
that
was
in
the
it
was
in
the
newsletter
this
week.
It
may
need
to
be
added
to
the
calendar.
A
So
I
only
added
the
one
meeting
because
I
thought
it's.
D
D
Quote-Unquote
extra
meeting
okay,
so
it's
just
temp!
It's
temporary
that
it's
meeting
every
week,
okay,
yeah
as
far
as
meeting
times
go.
I
think,
generally
the
the
the
window
for
meetings
that
the
that
most
of
the
working
groups
has
is
kind
of
in
between
eight
o'clock
central
time
and
noon.
Central
time-
and
I
think
that's
so
that
our
european
friends
can
can
join
us.
E
We've
talked
about
this
a
couple
times,
but
we're
starting
to
assemble
a
group
of
people
to
to
help
coordinate
that
activity
and
then
reach
out
to
external
advisors
or
folks,
with
an
external
perspective
on
the
project,
who
can
not
only
kind
of
reflect
on
the
chaos
project
itself
and
give
us
advice
with
respect
to
our
own
dna
practices,
but
also
help
articulate
how
other
projects
can
kind
of
go
through
the
self
same
self-evaluation.
A
Thanks
matt,
okay,
let's
hop
along
on
our
agenda
journey
today,
and
the
next
item
is
the
outreachy
someone
put
that
on
here.
So
yeah.
E
E
We
really
don't
have
those
funds
this
year
available
to
us,
but
outreachy
also
secures
external
funds
that
can
be
used
to
fund
students,
even
though
a
community
may
not
have
the
funds
themselves.
Does
that
make
sense,
so
we
can
still
apply,
and
I
think
we
should
to
the
outreachy
program
in
in
that
application.
We
can
explicitly
say
we
don't
have
the
dollars
to
support
the
student,
but
any
way
that
outreachy
could
provide
support
would
be
much
appreciated.
E
And
josh
carrat,
if
the
with
respect
to
the
community
reports,
I
don't
know
kind
of
what
you
were
thinking
in
terms
of
like
technical
skills
like
if
it
was
more
like
what
sean
was
thinking,
automating
the
reports
or
thinking
about
them,
maybe
a
little
bit
differently
and
something
like
the
community
reports
or
maybe
even
the
website
work.
Elizabeth
could
be
potentially
really
good
candidates
for
the
outreachy
project.
A
Matt
is
that
something
that
then
kevin
and
I
would
would
initiate
or
do
we
have
to
have.
E
A
D
Yep
sounds
good
as
far
as
tasks
that
would,
if
we
have
to
describe
the
tasks,
I
think
we
can
pull
those
from
the
the
migration
document
that
we
have
created.
So
okay.
E
Yeah
josh
carot
had
just
put
that
in
the
chat,
and
it's
just
it's
another
program
that
that
joshua
participated
in
last
year.
I
mean
the
whole
chaos
community
handbook
came
from
that
amazing
work
that
joshua
did
so
to
me.
It
makes
a
ton
of
sense
to
also
participate
in
this.
This.
I
should
have
moved
these
two
items
up
by
google
the
summer
of
code,
because
these
are
mentorship
programs.
J
Yeah,
generally,
I
mean
like
we
should
definitely
look
forward
participating
in
these
programs.
A
B
Way
I'll
just
ask
a
question
and
I
think
it's
come
up
before.
Is
there
anything
we
want
to
do
during
this
time
of
virtual
life
to
engage
a
chaos
con
like
virtual
experience,
or
supplement
the
outreach
with
different
forms
of
engagement
like
additional
structured
videos
or
not
just
or
participation
in
other
virtual
conferences
in
some
way
I
know
we've
tried
a
little
bit
of
that.
It's
had
mixed
results,
but
others
ask
the
question.
E
Well,
I
I
think
don
had
brought
up
a
long
time
ago,
like
blog
posts,
you
know,
if
you
you
know,
take
your
time
and
write
something
to
the
blog,
that's
great,
and
we
can
always
share
that
broadly,
so
I
think
that's
a
really
good
use
of
time
participating,
I'm
all
for
submitting
like
we're
submitting
to
sohil,
which
is
the
kind
of
the
academic
conference.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
been
participating
very.
G
E
I
mean
maybe
to
your
point
sean
I
put
it
out
there
if
folks
have
an
interest
in
speaking
at
a
at
a
conference.
That's
not
a
chaos
con
at
a
virtual
conference
and
would
like
to
talk
about
you
know,
preparing
a
submission
that
might
have
something
to
do
with
metrics.
I
am
super
happy
to
talk
to
anybody
and
try
to
help
get
that
submission
done.
I
may
start
some
of
my
own,
but
anybody
has
like
an
inkling
to
get
that
done.
I'm
happy
to
help
in
any
way.
F
A
Yeah,
I
try
to
add
those
to
the
newsletter
just
to
give
people
like
to
give
the
speaker
a
little
more
visibility
as
well
for
anybody
on
the
mailing
list.
So
if
I
can
help
in
that
way,
please
let
me
know.
D
L
Yeah
all
right
I
mean
I,
I
think
we've
had
a
couple
of
conversations
on
events
and
I
think
it
was
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Maybe
it
was
a
first
january
call
that
the
next
event
that
we're
looking
at
was
if
it
were
to
happen,
the
open
source
north
america
summit
in
vancouver
right,
I
mean
still
listed
as
in
person
august.
It
will
see
if
it
really
does
happen.
L
It
seems
pretty
ambitious
to
me,
but
if
it
does,
then
I
I
think
that's
sort
of
what
we're
looking
at
as
sort
of
a
landing
spot
when
we
get
together
as
a
community
again,
but
that
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
she
had
different
conversations
last
week,
but
I
think
that's
what
we
talked
about
but
yeah.
I
remember
that
yeah
that
conversation
yeah,
I
mean
we'll
see
if
it
happens
in
august.
I
don't
know
if
it
if
it
does
great,
but
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
be
like
in
august.
L
L
Interesting
times,
though,
like
I
mean
just
unrelated,
I
was
talking
to
the
organizers
at
scale.
I
mean,
which
is
another
conference
that
usually
happens
in
march,
and
I
asked
like:
what's
what
are
the
plans
for
that
this
year?
Is
it
going
to
be
like
fuzz
and
they're
going
to
do
try
to
do
something
virtual,
but
they're
they're
gutting
for
an
in-person
event
whenever
it
can
happen,
like
maybe
second
half
of
this
year,
so
they're
taking
a
very
different
approach,
they're,
not
even
thinking
about
doing
anything
virtual
in
2021.
D
I
just
wanted
to,
since
we
were
talking
about
mentorship.
I
I
shared
the
the
chaos
mentorship
webpage
in
the
chat,
and
I
would
kind
of
like
to
kind
of
a
call
out
to
anyone
who,
if,
if
anyone
on
this
call,
has
insight
on
what
should
be
on
that
page,
what
we
can
add
or
what
needs
to
be
edited.
Perhaps
people
have
gone
through
some
of
those
programs,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
super
helpful.
A
So
I
guess
conferences
are
still
kind
of
tbd
sean
in
answer
to
your
original
question,
fair
enough,
so
I
think,
since
we've
done
them
before
we
kind
of
already
have
a
action
plan
for
lack
of
a
better
word
so
to
pull
it
together
like
later
than
we
usually
do,
I
think
would
be
okay.
A
I
don't
know
how
you
all
feel
about
that,
but
I
think
we
can.
What
I'm
saying
is.
I
think
we
can
afford
to
wait
a
little
bit
to
see
how
things
are
kind
of
playing
out.
B
L
Honestly,
I
mean
it's
a
hard
question,
I
mean
that's
a
conversation
I
was
having
with
elon
on
scale
like
the
I
don't
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
knows
the
answer
like
do
you
hold
off
until
we
can
have
a
safe
in-person
event,
or
do
you
still
go
with
something
virtual
so
that
you
don't
lose
visibility
right?
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
balancing
act
like
I
don't
know.
The
answer,
like
I
mean.
Obviously,
fosund
is
taking
one
approach.
L
Other
events
are
taking
a
different
approach
like
there's
a
because
we
haven't
had
an
event
for
a
year
right
and
then
there
is
there's
a
risk
involved
in
that
or
but
there's
also
risk
of
having
a
unsatisfactory
another
virtual
conference
that
no
one's
happy
with
right.
So
there's
it's
a
tough
balancing
act
and
yeah
sean.
I
wouldn't
feel
bad
about
asking
those
questions,
because
I
asked
myself
those
questions
like
every
other
week.
Like
I
don't
know
what
the
right
thing
to
do
is
not
just
for
this,
but
in.
B
A
L
E
Out
there,
snake
beanies
are
forever.
We.
B
H
D
If
we,
if
we
do,
hurt
people,
there's
there's
no
such
thing
as
bad
press
right.
A
Some
bad
press
there,
all
right,
everyone
have
a
super
day.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
joining
us
we'll
see
you
next
week
take
care.