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CHAOSS.Community.July.23.2019
A
I'm
recording
now
so
how's
it
going
everybody
yeah
a
few
things.
Actually,
it's
nice
that
I
have
Brian
on
Ryan
there's
a
whole
request
hold
for
you
on
the
common
on
that
metric
that
you
put
together,
ug
common
right.
No
all
I
did
was
they
I
had
to
rearrange
some
of
your.
C
A
A
B
B
A
B
A
So
enter
me,
let's
see,
I
think
any
other
things
on
metrics,
as
those
are
cleared
up.
Okay,
no
good,
all
right,
so
my
other
thing
is
I.
Think
I,
just
this
date
for
everybody,
I
think
Kaos
Khan
is
going
to
find
I
actually
think
the
rooms
are
considerably
bigger
than
the
number
they
kept
us
at
I
think
the
rooms
actually
hold
like
200
people,
so
I
think
I've
been
kind
of
encouraging
some
people
just
to
walk
up
on
the
day
house.
A
B
By
the
way,
it
that's
the
first
week
of
classes
for
us,
so
I'm,
actually
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble
getting
undergrads
to
be
able
to
come.
Oh
okay,
I'm
still
working
on
it.
I
haven't
given
up
but
I'm
waiting
for
some
answers,
but
there's
a
little
distance
for
reasons
that
I
totally
get.
It
hasn't
run
the
second
week
of
classes.
The
last
several
years
for
this
year,
the
first
week,
okay,.
A
B
A
A
A
E
A
A
So
I
know
that
we
had
an
issue
yeah
I'll
post
this
for
everybody.
Here
too,
these
are
the
minutes.
Oh
thanks,
Gary
I
know
that
there
was
a
discussion.
That's
been
going
on
around
the
social
media
in
use
of
Twitter,
so
in
that
John
has
been
putting
together
a
document
and
Georg
provided
some
feedback
over
the
week.
Does
anybody
want
to
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
or
John's
on
there?
Is
that?
Yes,
all.
G
E
G
G
E
B
A
D
As
well
right,
okay.
G
D
C
G
C
C
I
C
I
C
C
G
G
H
A
G
I
think
the
lens
that
I
was
approaching
it
through
was
what,
with
all
these
different
roles,
what
questions
might
they
try
to
answer
with
the
metrics,
because
I
don't
feel
like
getting
super
deep
down
into
the
actual
granule
grip?
Excuse
me,
granular,
matrix,
understand
kind
of
think
about
what
kind
of
questions
we
might
those
other
rules
might
want
to
answer
with
with
the
data.
Okay,.
A
J
G
F
H
H
G
G
G
H
The
idea
that
I
had
and
Shawn
I
know
you
already
saw,
that
is
to
maybe
publish
it
as
a
blog
post
as
a
draft,
because
I
don't
know
right
now
how
they
would
integrate
it
in
our
current
structure.
But
it's
a
really
nice
way
to
show
people
how
they
can
approach
the
metrics.
It's
like
a
new
guide
to
metrics.
If
you
put
this
category
here,
are
the
things
you
might
be
one
curious
about
and
hear
the
answers.
Chaos
metrics
can
provide
yeah.
G
Yes,
so
I
spend
a
bunch
of
time
this
weekend,
trying
to
reformat
that
document
into
a
blog
post
kind
of
summarizing.
You
know
how
I
came
to
find
your
project,
and
you
know
just
my
own
lens
on
it,
since
it
was,
you
know,
from
a
blog
post
standpoint
and
I
reached
out
to
the
folks
at
open
source
org.
So
that's
going
I'm,
probably
gonna,
send
a
draft
over
today
or
tonight.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
wants
to
review
it.
E
A
I
mean
maybe
another
idea
would
be
to
run
it
as
a
birds
of
a
feather
session
to
this
document,
so
we're
gonna
have
time
in
the
in
the
day,
for
just
kind
of
brief
five-minute
birds
of
a
feather
okay
might
be
worth
just
standing
up
and
kind
of
talking.
What
about
what
this
is,
and
maybe
what
some
of
the
some
of
the
structure
looks
like
your.
H
G
A
G
A
A
Well,
thank
thanks
for
doing
that.
This
does
kind
of
raise
another
question
than
for
me,
and
this
was
coming
up
in
the
DNI
sessions.
The
last
couple
weeks
is
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
really
like
to
do
and
I
think
it's
on
our
target
for
this
year
is
to
try
to
identify
projects.
I
actually
have
this
written
in
the
a
weekly
newsletter
for
this
week,
but
how
can
we
go
about
really
trying
to
work
with
projects
to
understand
how
these
goals,
questions
and
metrics
live
in
the
world
right?
A
A
B
Have
thoughts
on
this
I
mean
some
of
so
some
of
what
we're
doing
with
defining
the
metrics
is
Etta
it's
at
a
granular
level
and
we're
creating
assistants,
see
that
didn't
exist
before
look
think
when
it
comes
to
consumption.
It's
the
packaging
of
a
bunch
of
these
tinier
pieces
of
information.
That
is
actually
what
people
want
to
consume.
Okay
and
so
giving
giving
folks
a
way
to
consume
a
package
or
a
set
of
a
bunch
of
these
metrics
that
they
want
to
collect
together
is
as
part
of
it.
B
Can
you
give
me
an
example,
so,
for
example,
in
in
auger
now
we're
starting
to
collect
histories
of
the
numbers
of
forks
stars
clones
Watchers
on
a
repository
and
over
time
as
the
longer
we
collect
for
a
set
of
repositories,
the
more
history
that
we
have
and
people
want
histories
of
these
things
kind
of
returned
as
data
collectively,
so
I
don't
want
to
just
see
a
page
or
a
graph.
That
shows
me.
B
The
Stars
I
want
to
see
something
that
shows
me
everything
or
gives
me
the
data
for
all
of
those
things
together,
yep
and-
and
we
would
just
in
the
chaos
metrics
we're
defining
them
discreetly
and
but
in
the
on
the
consumption
side.
They're
they're
consumed
as
a
collection,
and
so
it
might
be
helpful
to
start
to
see
collections
of
metrics
that
people
are
interested
in
so
last
year
at
Kaos
Khan.
There
was
a
discussion,
you
know
we're
agnostic,
but
people
really
want
dashboards.
They
really
want.
You
know
red,
yellow,
green
or
red,
yellow
green.
B
So
what
what
are
the
collections
of
metrics?
That
might
that
you
might
be
able
to
parameterize
and
generate
colors
from
in
your
consumption
of
them
that
might
go
together,
so
there's
a
lot
of
information
around
activities
of
different
kinds
that
that
can
be
consumed
on
that
kind
of
aggregate
level.
So
let
me
ask
you
a
question.
So
what.
A
Would
now
we
have
Chin's
in
the
sense
of
the
working
groups
with
the
focuser,
but
then
we
have
kind
of
a
different
form
collections,
this
taking
form,
which
is
the
role
that
people
might
play.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
like
in
the
case
of
a
project
manager,
the
collection
might
be,
you
know
one
from
evolution,
one
from
risk,
one
from
and
that
might
be
might
be
a
spanning
collection.
So
when
your
collections,
do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
you're
talking
about
mm-hmm.
B
How
do
you
I
mean
I'm?
The
one
example
is
actually
an
example
that
someone
asked
for
other
other
examples
are
I
mean
we
are
we're:
defining
the
different
properties
related
or
the
different
metrics
associated
with
issue
tracking
and
commits
you
know
currently
I
think
there's
an
interest
in
having
you
know
sort
of
a
way
to
look
at
those
things
collectively.
You
know
the
number
of
issues
versus
the
number
of
commits
versus
pull
requests
when
that's
available.
B
What
well
one
might
be
sort
of
a
there's,
different
ways
to
collect
them,
so
you
could
do
activity
around
code
and
that
would
bring
together
pull
requests
and
commits
okay,
then
you
might
have
a
separate
collection
that
is
talk
around
code,
so
those
might
be
the
comments
around
pull
requests
and
commits
okay,
and
then
you
might
have
just
sort
of
talk
metrics,
which
might
look
at
issues
in
the
conversation,
conversational
volume
and
content
around
issues,
or
you
might
be
interested
in
all
conversations.
You
know
how
much
talk
is
happening
versus
how
much
code.
A
B
It's
I
think
well,
so
that
the
focus
areas,
but
my
experience
in
them
is
that
we're
we're
approaching
them
as
okay.
How
do
we
produce
these
metrics?
How
do
we
organize
our
thinking
about
the
metrics?
What
so
we're
producing
definitions
and
producing
sets
of
things
that
are
that
we
regard
is
related
to
the
same
kind
of
thing,
yep
and
so
what's
different
is
I.
Think
people
are
wanting
to
consume
pieces
of
these
metrics
that
we've
defined
in
different
focus
areas:
okay,
as
as
a
set
that's
sort
of
orthogonal
to
some.
A
B
C
Gets
into
the
whole
use
case
thing
and
and
I've
been
historically
kind
of
resistant
to
doing
that
in
that
I
think
we're
built
again.
The
metaphor
is
we're
building
Lego
blocks.
Here
we
give
people
guidance,
oh
yeah,
like
how
to
do
these
things.
Like
here's
how
you
you
know,
you
know
one
way
of
setting
these
up,
but
it's
not
the
key
way
of
setting
these
up
I
get
into
tricky
ground
here
where
we
decide
to
do
it,
but
by
the
same
token
I
mean
our
software.
Implementations
are
gonna.
C
Do
this
anyway,
because
at
some
point,
when
they,
when
they
start
codifying
these
things
literally
they're
there,
it's
almost
like
they're
building
these
collections
already
right,
cuz,
you
can't
there
won't
be
multiple
ways
of
getting
to
certain
metrics
and
software.
You're
gonna
have
to
pick
into
you
some
path.
G
C
G
Hey
I
mean
it
would
seem
to
be
a
natural
thing
to
be
like
you
have
somebody
who's
actually
gonna
talk
about
this
and
implement
the
software.
It
would
be
great
to
get
them
as
a
contributor
to
like.
Let's
help
them
build
dashboards
thing
be
like
hey.
These
are
the
ones
we
implemented
and
yeah
you're
welcome
to
clone
these
whatever
so.
H
I
can
I
can
share
from
Patricia
perspective
that,
but
we
are
using
the
granola
software,
obviously,
which
implements
many
of
the
metrics
that
we
have,
and
with
regards
to
the
collections,
yeah
I
was
at
asked
on
last
week
and
when
we
talked
to
people
they
do
ask
okay.
So
what
are
the
collections
of
metrics
that
solve
specific
problems
and
I?
Get
that
asked
all
the
time?
H
K
I
also
I've
got
a
point
of
view
to
add
to
this
discussion
and
when
we
think
about
sort
of
package
you
know
sets
of
metrics
it'd,
be
useful
to
think
about
the
the
profile
of
the
person
we're
focusing
on,
and
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
generally
like
a
newbie
and
an
experienced
person
and
for
a
newbie,
the
less
complexity,
the
better
and
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
have
something
that
is
really
super
easily
understandable
to
to
a
newbie.
And
that
might
be
we
look
at
the
vast.
K
You
know,
collection
of
possible
metrics
when
we
figure
out
you
know
what
are
like
two
or
three
metrics,
that
you
know
we
could
put
up
like
a
leaderboard
or
a
score
sheet,
or
something
like
that.
Let
that
be
an
entry
point
into
the
world
of
chaos
and
then
for
the
experienced
person.
You
know
the
cookbooks
and
you
know
the
sort
of
flexibility
and
the
analytical
power
would
be
like
the
this.
The
second
face.
A
So
I
had
heard
Georg
say
that
he
was
asked
about
collections
based
on
problems.
That's
what
I
you
actually
used.
The
word
problems
I
think
there's
this
discussion,
that
is,
with
respect
to
the
document.
John
is
working
on
collections
potentially
based
on
roles
of
people,
maybe
I'm
wrong.
They
may
employ
miss
reading
this,
maybe
I'm
misinterpreting
this
and
then
the
last
is
what
Andy
had
just
brought
up,
but
would
collections
based
on
experience.
B
A
That
you
might
be
interested
in
so
this
would
be
a
soy
cake.
So,
like
it
you
say:
you're
a
brand
new
community
manager,
that's
trying
to
solve
the
problem
of
recruiting
more
members.
That
would
be
that
that
would
be
all
three
of
those
right:
Randy
brand
new
community
manager
trying
to
increase
participation,
yep,
okay,.
G
But
I
would
assume
that
that
would
be
like
a
like
a
wizard-based
front
and
that
we'd
have
to
build
right.
I
mean
like
the
first
time
you
log
into
this
thing:
let's
walk
you
through
all
this
stuff
there's
a
hole
and
if
we
decide
we
want
to
do
that,
let
me
know
I'll
start
working
on
some
user
dirties
yeah.
A
B
G
I
don't
know,
I
was
saying
it's
a
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
some
kind
of
dynamic
GUI
that
does
an
onboarding
experience
for
young
people,
but
it's
a
it's
a
product
and
right.
You
know
if
the
project
decided
that
that
was
something
we
all
wanted
to
build,
and
you
know
we
can
put
it
on
the
roadmap
and
start
doing
some
user
journey
discovery.
But
it's
that's
it.
That's
a
pretty
large
effort,
yeah.
It.
A
E
B
L
Like
a
lot
of
this
relies
on
knowing
what
people
want
to
so
like
the
can
people
hear
me
over
foot
yeah,
just
making
sure
I
want
to
own
a
surge
that
I
think
we
should
lean
as
much
of
this
as
we
can
this
oh
I'm
gonna
process
on
the
discretion
of
the
community,
because
we
have
we're
trying
I,
just
don't
want
to
divine
in
how
to
find
an
house
what
people
want,
and
so
this
is
what
you
want
pointed
at
them.
You
know
that
makes
any
sense.
Yes,.
B
B
C
And
padding
on
did
that
I
certainly
could
see
a
situation
where
we
see
seed
such
a
collection
with
some
reference
examples
and
then
just
encourage
community
members
go
in
there
and
add
their
own
it'll,
be
like
analogous
to
Thingiverse,
where
you
get
all
those
patterns
for
3d,
printing
right
and
everybody
just
throws
them
in
there
and
you
share
so
somebody
will
come
up
with
well.
This
was
a
cool
thing:
I
did
and
they'll
set
up
a
metrics.
C
You
know
collection
pattern,
whatever
we
call
it
and
and
people
can
just
you
know,
you
know,
use
it
or
lose
it
kind
of
thing,
so
that
would
be
an
active
and
that
might
be
just
an
active
venue
for
community
members
instead
of
being
like.
Oh
you
don't
have
to
build
software.
You
use
have
to
tell
us
how
you're,
using
this
for
yourself
and
share
with
other
people
yeah.
L
E
G
Format,
pretty
sure
I've
transferred
them
between
different
out
clusters
and
it's
it
would
proud
of
you
doing
some
brief
session
on.
Like
hey,
you
know,
if
you
guys
created
this,
where
do
you
like
you
want
to
share
it?
Here's
where
you
export
head
and
put
it
somewhere
get
up,
so
other
people
can
use
it
because
ELQ
is
yeah,
not.
G
A
E
E
H
We
do
have
as
part
of
the
cache
project
is
the
C
guilds
panels,
collection
or
dashboard
collection,
which
are
exports
from
Cubana,
okay
they're.
You
know
there
is
a
whole
collection
of
panels
already
pre-configured
that
anyone
who
wants
to
start
playing
that
metrics
can
start
but
again-
and
this
is
what
Brian
has
said
and
everyone
else-
it's
a
starting
point
where
our
than
everyone
in
C
kilts,
so
I
post
a
link
in
the
chat.
Okay,.
H
D
H
D
B
Yeah
I'm
I'm
I
know
is
I,
mean
I.
Think
that's
certainly
one
way,
I
think
just
enumerated
a
set
of
data
that
people
can
consume.
Some
other
way
is,
is
in
you
know
you
can.
You
could
replicate
the
collection,
I.
Think
the
abstract
representation
of
the
collection
is
here's
a
set
of
chaos,
metrics
I
put
together
and
then
a
collection
in
talent,
ation
might
be
a
dashboard
or
an
API.
B
Mm-Hmm
I
think
you
know,
dashboard
can
be
both
help
like
a
visual
representations.
Are
you
a
in
a
composite
metric
collection
yeah?
It
can
also
be
constraining
because
you're
deciding
for
people
how
to
represent
their
data
and
if
it
may
not
represent
how
people
are
actually
consuming
it
right.
They
may
want
to
see
the
data
in
a
different
way,
so
notice.
A
Well,
these
are
the
these
are
the
problems
are
trying
to
solve.
These
are
the
people
that
look
at
these
collections,
and
this
is
what
right
hand
does,
and
these
are
the
collections
from
Microsoft.
These
are
the
problems
they're
trying
to
solve.
These
are
the
people
who
look
at
I
mean
there
would
be
another
way.
It's
kind
of
putting
this
out.
The
bees
are
just
what
are
actually
used
straight
up
in
practice
by
people,
which
is
a
fun
totally
totally
I
thought.
I
Yeah
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
companies
I
come.
You
mentioned
some
of
the
big
ones.
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
simple
to
say
this
is
what
Microsoft
uses,
because
I
mean
they'll
have
I,
don't
know
how
many
Community
Manager
types
they
have,
but
it'll
be
very
difficult
to
come
up
with,
like
I
set
up
like
20
that
they
use
as
a
company,
because
if
they
have
like
30
Community
Managers
like
they
might
be
all
looking
at
different
things,
yeah.
I
G
They
once
they
decide
to
implement
something
like
this.
If
they
do
right
and
right
now,
they're
using
stuff
like
gh,
crawler
and
gh
insights,
which
have
been
just
sitting
there
for
like
years,
I,
don't
think
the
insights,
BI
side
of
things
for
them
has
been
updated
in
three
years.
That's
an
aside,
yeah.
I
What
you're,
getting
at
but
I,
think
it'll
be
a
pretty
challenging
thing
to
do
and,
and
then
I
mean
this
is
something
I've
been
telling
people
I
mean
even
for
me
like,
depending
on
where
your
community
is
like
what
I
look
at
this
year
is
probably
very
different
from
what
I
looked
at
like
a
year
and
a
half
ago
right
so,
and
so
it
really
depends
on
where
your
community
is
and
what
that
good
community
you
have,
and
that's
it's
a
I,
mean
I'm
sure.
A
lot
of
people
here
got
those
questions
from
their
management.
I
A
Yeah,
okay,
no
I,
totally
hear
yeah
yeah
like
it's
one
thing
to
I,
think
create
a
metric
to
track,
say,
pull
request
time
to
close
or
pull
request.
Time
to
merge
like
that
doesn't
seem
like
such
a
fast
moving
target,
but
right,
but
something
like
what
are
the
five
metrics
that
I
shouldn't
be
using.
This
seems
so
fast
and
so
fluid
yeah.
I
H
A
H
H
B
M
To
include
integration
to
test,
they
work
that
they
are
doing
on
Lou
so
mean
that
they
want
to
test
the
metrics
and
there
are
doing
extra
homework
if
they
change
something.
So
if
you
check
in
the
contract,
I
mean
in
the
repo,
there
is
the
further
implementation,
and
then
there
is
the
result:
folder
called
code
year
sabbatical
eie
restructuring
the
mr.
Ness
food
to
enable
the
cookie
generation.
So
as
soon
as
there
is
a
comment
on
this
part
of
the
project,
so
yes,
they
check
that
the
code
is
working.
B
Yes,
I
mean,
if
you
see
I,
guess
that
the
working
group
sees
utility
for
it.
I
am
I'm
all
for
it.
I
mean
personally
I.
Think
the
reference
implementations
aren't
likely
to
change
that
much
once
I
is
hope
they
wouldn't
because
otherwise
that,
because
if
the
reference
implementations
changed
after
release,
that
would
mean
that
something
about
the
metric
had
likely
changed
right.
Yes,.
B
M
F
All
right,
yeah.
B
Would
just
reference
the
pull
request
in
this
issue,
because
I
think
that
Yorkshire
to
list
a
link
to
the
issue,
not
the
pull
request
so
I
think
link
the
pull
request
to
the
issue
and
refer
people
to
that,
because
it's
it's
pretty
clear,
what's
happening,
but
yeah
I
think
I
agree
with
than
that.
We
should
take
this
up
in
those
devolution
where.
B
M
A
And
I
will
say
right
now,
as
I
was
running
through
if
we're
on
the
evolution
working
group
and
reference
implementations
as
it
stands
right
now,
a
lot
of
evolution,
multix
don't
have
a
referencing
imitation.
There
was
a
murder,
were
gonna,
be
done.
It's
not
important.
It's
not
critical
that
that
it
be
filled
out
in
the
metric
prior
to
release,
but
I'm,
just
pinging
evolution
working
group
people
that
there
was
a
placeholder
in
the
reference
implementation
header
in
the
metric
and
then
below
that
it
said
work.
A
H
A
G
Yeah
actually,
actually
just
saying
you
a
quick
sidebar
I,
don't
know
when
you
talk
about
it,
but
maybe
not,
but
I'll
just
put
it
out
there.
It
might
be
a
good
idea.
I
I
did
not
replace
it
till
this
week
that
all
of
these
videos
were
recorded
and
posted
out
on
YouTube
yeah.
We
do
support
every
meeting
I'm
like,
but
if
you
join
late,
those.
A
G
Before
you
all
that
it
might
just
be
worth
putting
something
wherever
we
mentioned
meetings,
it's
just
like
hey,
we
record
releases
publicly
and
by
joining
the
call
you
to
do
so.
That's
completely
fair
I
can
do
that.
Oh
good
I,
just
like
just
from
a
risk
management
standpoint,
I
used
to
have
to
run
around
and
get
releases
from
people
who
sign
crab
yeah.