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CHAOSS.Community.March.31.2020
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We're
sharing
the
screen,
so
thank
you
so
the
agenda
for
today,
or
at
least
a
few
things
that
I
have
and
if
people
want
to
add
things
as
well.
The
first
was
there
was
the
inaugural
recording
of
the
podcast
just
last
week,
Georg
or
Matt
or
Don.
Do
you
wanna
tell
us
how
you're
feeling,
after
that,
podcast
and
Garrick
kind
of
what
the
next
steps
are
on
this
really.
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it's
super
impressive
for
GERD
to
get
us
off
the
ground,
we're
still
working
on
like
the
formal
production
process
through
partnership
that
you
can
get
into,
but
it's
just
really
good
to
have
a
podcast
talking
about
chaos
there
it's
just
within
the
first
few
minutes.
We
realize
just
how
much
there
is
the
unpack
and
that
we
can
be
a
little.
You
know,
navel-gazing
at
the
beginning,
like
talk
about
our
working
groups,
talk
about
the
projects
that
are
meaningful
and
then
extend
out
on
cert.
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Yeah
we'll
be
there
we'll
be
on
iTunes
will
be
on
Spotify.
I
will
be
on
all
of
the
popular
ones,
but
that's
why
I'm
partnering
why
we
are
partnering
with
the
code
fun
podcast
network,
because
they
will
help
us
get
on
there,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
do
all
that
work
and
then
we
will
have
a
website
and
we
have
yet
to
work
with
the
Linux
Foundation
on
setting
up
the
sub
domain.
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But
we'll
do
that
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
it
will
be
cast
chaos
but
community
or
podcast.
That
cares
that
for
me
to
you
or
whatever
I
don't
know.
Yet,
if
you
have
a
suggestion
for
a
sub-domain
to
use
I'm
open
for
suggestions,
what
is
the
rationale
for
some
domain?
We
will
have
a
so.
The
podcast
will
be
hosted
on
our
site.
I.
Think
it's
the
platform
where
we
upload
all
the
show
notes
on
the
audio.
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I
misunderstood
the
question,
but
I
think
the
question
was
less
about.
Why
should
it
be?
Why
do
we
need
a
separate
subdomain
like
podcast
dot
JSP,
as
opposed
to
putting
it
on
a
page
on
the
existing
web
site,
so
chaos
doc
community,
slash
podcast
and
integrating
it
with
the
existing
website?
I
think
that
was
Matt's
question.
It.
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But
then,
if
it's
on
the
misfire
side
platform,
is
that
correct
what
I
just
said
so
far,
yes
and
then
somewhere
on
the
in
the
chaos
dot
community
world?
We
point
to
that.
Definitely
we.
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So
yeah,
if
you
have
few
of
ideas
that
haven't
been
going
to
sit
in
that
guest
planning
document
that
we
link
to
here,
please
add
them.
You're,
quite
welcome,
and
if
you
are
interested
in
being
on
a
panel
or
just
being
like
on
deck
to
be
on
a
panel,
if
we
were
ever
need
to
grow.
That,
please
add
yourself
to
the
strategy
doc,
but
unified
default,
Gehrig
and
I
were
planning
to
alternating
hosting
and
Don
you're.
Welcome
to
dive
in
there
too,
and.
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Yeah,
so
the
story
behind
this
working
group
is
that
at
scale
at
the
beginning
of
this
month,
I
was
talk.
I
was
approached
by
Shree
and
he
said:
hey
I'm,
really
looking
at
these
chaos,
metrics
and
I
want
to
understand
how
we
can
use
them
in
for
the
Konami
project
and
clone
projects
and
foundation,
and
all
that-
and
he
said
well
I-
also
have
these
other.
You
know
people
that
are
also
interested
in
this
and
we've
been
trying
to
get
metrics
for
a
while,
and
now
we
want
to
make
a
more
concerted
effort.
E
E
How
about
me
not
only
use
the
cache
metrics
but
actually
contribute
this
to
the
chaos
project,
and
so
we
decided
okay,
sure,
let's
start
a
working
group
under
chaos
where
we
use
the
same
mechanisms
that
we've
used
in
our
other
work
completes
here
to
think
about
what
does
it
mean
to
use
the
chaos
metrics
for
the
app
ecosystem
projects,
and
so
this
is
norm
KDE
and
the
it
is
not
going
to
be
like
the
other
working
groups,
a
way
to
define
metrics.
Unless
we
have
something
new,
it's
more
a
way
to
think
about.
E
We
so
we
might
be
looking
at
a
series
of
blog
posts.
We
might
be
looking
at
a
tutorial,
we
don't
know
yet,
but
we
all
have
this
idea
that
hey
we
need
metrics.
We
want
metrics
for
open
source
app
project,
and
so
that's
what
this
project
is
all
about
and
we
hope
to
draw
on
all
the
amazing
work
that
has
been
done
by
the
other
chaos
projects
and
by
the
software
projects.
Yeah
come
up
with
some
solutions:
okay,.
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That
makes
sense,
I
have
a
few
questions
that
stem
from
this
one.
Is
it's
just
a
it's
a
time
issue
so,
as
we
have
more
working
groups-
and
we
already
have
I
mean
sometimes
up
to
eight
hours
of
working
group
meetings
per
week,
do
you
think
this?
Do
you
see
this
as
being
an
issue
or
how
to
manage
this?
E
Think
it's
a
growing
thing
that
me,
as
a
community
will
be
going
through
on
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
scale
what
we're
doing.
Okay
and
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
not
feasible
for
for
you
or
me,
or
any
one
of
us
to
be
in
everything
that
is
happening
in
chaos.
I
think
the
chaos
project
needs
to
grow
beyond
that
small
scale
and
just
from
a
scheduling
perspective,
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
a
problem
because
we
still
have
slots
in
the
week
where
the
channel
is
open.
A
Listening
to
your
answer,
I
mean
I,
agree
with
you.
We
might
want
to
think
about
how
we
make
sure
that
if
we
scale-
and
we
have
like
parts
of
the
chaos
project
that
well
so
like
right
now-
it's
just
kind
of
its
it
I'm.
Sorry,
it
sounds
gonna
sound
like
a
very
personal
thing,
but
like
right
now,
I
try
to
attend
every
working
group
just
so
that
I
can
kind
of
track.
A
What's
going
on
and
and
I
can
just
make
sure
that
I
have
a
clear
understanding
of
kind
of
what
everybody's
doing
and
so
I'm
taking
on
work
in
each
one
of
the
working
groups
and
I'm
with
you
that,
as
we
scale
up
these
types
of
ways
to
consolidate
metrics
that
are
meaningful
for
a
particular
area.
That's
a
very
good
thing.
So
how?
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How
can
we
think
about
from
a
management
perspective
being
able
to
enable
that
to
happen
right,
providing
the
platform
and
the
tools
and
the
resources
for
that
to
happen,
but
also
preventing,
like
kind
of
off
off
conversations
that
aren't
captured
in
the
community
as
a
whole,
or
you
know
kind
of
dark
areas
of
the
project?
So
how
do
we
and
and
don't
you
don't-
have
to
have
an
answer
now,
but
it's
just
something
that
I
I'll
probably
start
thinking
about.
I
Yeah
I
also
added
a
note
in
in
the
doc
as
well.
I
mean
I
I.
Think
I
share
some.
What
your
concerns,
Matt,
I
I,
think
the
term
working
group
sets
an
expectation
that
this
is
going
to
like
go
on
like
it's
a
lot
permanently.
I
mean
I,
mean
I'm
speaking
also
as
a
person
that
I
think
consumption
of
our
metrics
is
somewhat
of
a
challenge
for
a
new
person
coming
in.
So
this
is
important,
but
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
fine
I
mean
you
know.
We
don't
know
where
this
is
gonna
go,
maybe
like.
I
But
you
know
I'm
like
setting
up
like
you
know
more
working
groups
at
at
some
point:
it's
not
going
to
scale
right
because
we
can't
be
I
mean
people
are
not
going
to
be
at
all
meetings,
for
instance,
so
I
mean
I
think
this
is
important
stuff
that
and
that
that
we
probably
want
to
do
with
with
two
pretty
large
like
open
source
giving
uni.
But
you
know,
maybe
you
know
working
group.
Just
such
a
such
a
different
expectation,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
that's
your
concern
that
but.
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Yeah
I
I,
don't
know
the
more
you
talk
about
this,
the
more
this
feels
like
the
more
this
feels
like
I'm
meeting
or
a
series
of
meetings,
rather
than
a
working
group
kind
of
like
you
know,
if
you
think
about
how
we
plan
the
chaos
Khan,
for
example,
we
we
hold
some
CFP
selection
meetings
because
there's
some
work
that
has
to
happen,
and
it's
not
it's
not
an
important
group.
It's
just
it's
just
some
meetings
where
we
get
the
people
who
are
interested
in
getting
together.
While
we
figure
out
some
things
and.
K
B
Feels
more
like
that,
like
maybe
it's,
maybe
it's
a
series
of
of
meetings
where
we
figure
out
how
to
better
work
with
the
app
ecosystem
and
then
maybe
it
becomes
something
else.
If
we
figure
out
that
this
is
really
a
bigger
problem
or
something
more
that
we
need
to
do,
I,
don't
know
what
the
right
answer
is,
but
I
agree.
It
feels
like.
Maybe
a
working
group
isn't
necessarily
what
we
need.
I.
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Mean
you
know
I
get
when
you
know.
Well,
you
know
when
linguistic
but
I
mean.
Is
it
a
task
force?
Is
it?
Is
it
a
group
that
looks
across
the
other
groups
and
tries
to
identify
metrics,
you
know?
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Hey
I
am
also
I'm
interested
in
what
comes
out
of
this
too,
simply
because
I
think
there's
other
groups.
So,
for
example,
if
you
recall,
like
chaos,
con
Europe
in
Brussels,
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
were
interested
in
open
source
in
say
the
scientific
software
domain,
and
so
that
would
be
a
whole
separate
group
of
people
that
may
have
an
interest
in
drawing
the
metrics
and
toolings
together
in
ways
that
are
meaningful
for
them.
A
So
kind
of
understanding
how
this
first
group
works.
The
app
ecosystem
probably
could
be
very
valuable
for
other
collections
or
any
questions
separate
collections
of
people.
It
doesn't
sound
quite
right,
but
groups
of
people
that
come
together
in
a
particular
area
of
interest
and
then
the
the
last
thing
that
I
wanted
to
say
too
is
I.
Also
I,
really
like
the
idea
of
chaos,
the
chaos
project,
providing
space
or
a
platform
by
which
groups
with
an
interest
could
do
the
work.
A
So,
even
if
it's
things
like
zoom
channels,
posting
of
minutes
being
able
to
talk
about
their
work
in
a
community
kapal
having
honestly
just
a
group
of
people
who
are
there
to
listen
and
talk
through
complex
ideas,
I
I,
like
that
a
lot
so
I
think
a
lot
of
particularly
in
the
scientific
software
community.
There.
There
is
no
place
like
that.
There's
no
organizing
center
right,
like
that
organized
eccentric,
extremely
valuable
yeah.
F
And
I
think
I
think
it
would
give
them
a
common
language
that
they
don't
there's
a
there's,
an
absence
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
take
for
granted
like
a
community
manager
role.
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
shared
understanding
of
what
that
even
is
in
the
scientific
open-source
community,
so
I
think
there's
there's
a
way
that
we
can
help,
educate
and
support
them.
I
agree.
E
A
Mean
it
makes
me
even
just
a
few
look
down
on
the
like
the
points,
the
blood
points
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
OS
spoken
xions
I
mean
it
could
be
another
potential
group
of
folks
but
care
about
a
different
set
of
metrics
and
care
about
a
different
arrangement
of
technologies
that
are
meaningful
within
aa
spose.
L
Thank
you.
Okay,
first
I
know
the
kelsey
is
the
in.
When
two
weeks
ago,
then
I
don't
know
I,
don't
know
how
to
use
the
github,
and
you
know
every
treaty
I
sent
there
to
github
culture,
and
you
know
many
of
our
friend
mycology
I
married,
my
teammates.
They
want
to.
They
are
very
interesting
in
the
cows
they
want
to
matrix
there
jacked
our
company
project
and
Chinese
project
in
in
Kakaako.
They
were,
they
were
interested.
You
know
many
Chinese
company
and
the
Chinese
it
how
to
say
engineer
the
many
Chinese
to
calmly
unattended
engineer.
L
I
want
to
want
to
connect
with
the
U
of
U
the
member,
absurd
chaos.
So
just
that
now
I
ask
the
question
you
consider
to
how
the
cash
count
in
China
you,
you
say
the
Lin's
come
every
year
how
its
held
in
China
every
year.
You
know
my
English
course
so
I
everything
our
friend
is
the
English,
because
English
is
the
common
language
in
the
community.
So
but
you
know
the
last
of
a
week
later,
maybe
you
have
the
care
of
community
in
in
China.
We
talk
about
online,
we
have
to
zoom.
L
So
today
there
has
a
has
almost
10
people
want
to
join
the
meeting
in
China,
so
I
think
it's
a
very
good
now.
It's
very
good
situation
for
council
going
to
China
and
I,
like
men
more
and
more
Chinese
people
to
to
milk
cows.
What
the
cursing
is
a
earth
currency
is
the
work
for
so
I
think
there
are
many
people
were
joining
the
community.
We
are
joined.
The
cows
you
know
there
are
now
is
April
in
China.
L
A
That
seems
like
that
needs
to
happen,
and
that
has
been
on
my
to-do
list.
So
that's
probably
something
I
should
just
fire
up
and
in
fact
some
of
the
early
meetings
on
running
in
the
Pacific
Rim
could
could
simply
be
just
around.
What
is
chaos?
What
is
the
structure
of
the
project?
Look
like
I
mean
kind
of
the
kind
of
a
primer
on
what
the
project
is
about.
B
The
other
thing
I
think
we
could
look
at
excuse
me
is,
you
know,
maybe
the
next,
so
there
aren't
any
in-person
linux
foundation.
Events
in
China
right
now
for
obvious
obvious
reasons
just
like
they
aren't
anywhere
else,
but
the
next
time
they
do
one
of
the
open
source
summits
and
China
or
the
next
cube
Khan
or
something
in
China.
Maybe
we
try
to
do
some
sort
of
chaos
meeting
and
at
those
events,
in
addition
to
you,
know
the
more
regular
things
that
we
we
could
do
via
zoom
calls
yep.
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L
The
many
students
are
now
searched
the
cows
last
day.
They
center
listen
attempt
contacts,
taxi
texted
to
me
and
they
translated
into
Chinese
and
they
asked
me
it
is
right,
I
think
it's
very
interesting
in
council
and
I
think.
Maybe
next
the
next
four
days
calm,
we
can
house
a
meeting
meeting
all
conference
with
the
Linux
car
together.
Oh
well,
you
can't
come
to
China
and
I.
Think
it's
very
good
opportunity.
You
can
recognize
the
China
China
and
the
Chinese
the
engineer
yeah.
So.
A
Why
don't
King
I'll
connect
with
you
and
then
we
can
find
a
time
that
could
even
work
for
a
room.
Call
that's
more
friendly
to
folks
in.
L
A
D
B
And
I
think
sort
of
the
way
I
would
approach
that
I
would
start
with
a
single
meeting
and
see
how
it
goes
and
see
who
attends
and
talk
to
the
people
who
attend
and
see
what
the
right
cadence
is
I.
Think
I
think.
Maybe
we
shouldn't
decide
that
we
should
get
the
people
on
the
call
who
are
interested
in
the
topic
and
figure
out
what
people
want
to
talk
about
and
how
often
they
want
to
talk
about
it
right.
E
E
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
King
in
terms
of
chaos,
can
North
America
2020
I
mean
I,
know
that
there's
a
an
Events
Committee,
but
we
have
to
plan
for
the
real
honest-to-goodness
reality
that
this
is
not
gonna,
but
in
person
I.
Just
don't
see
how
that's
going
to
happen,
so
we
need
whether
it's
the
Events
Committee
or
people
who
have
an
interest
in
thinking
through
this
yeah.
B
I
think
we
we
had
a
conversation
about
this
I
think
when
we
sort
of
kicked
off
the
chaos,
cod,
North,
America
planning
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about.
So
we
talked
about
a
couple
of
things,
so
we
talked
about
how
we
should
try
to
do
it
with
the
Linux
Foundation
event,
if
at
all
possible,
knowing.
G
B
The
June
event
was
probably
possibly
unlikely,
I
think
at
the
time
that
we
started
this.
It
was
seeming
more
likely
and
now
I
think
it's
seeming
not
likely
at
all,
and
they
it
sounds
like
if
it's
not
if
it
doesn't
happen,
the
obits
or
summit
north
america
they're
gonna,
convert
it
to
a
virtual
event.
So
I
think
the
decision
we
need
to
make
is:
do
we
want
to
be
a
virtual
event?
That's
part
of
the
open
source
summit,
North
America.
That's
one
option
which
could
possibly
cram
like
I.
B
Don't
want
spend
six
days
on
zoom
in
a
row,
for
example,
if
they
I
know
it's
crazy,
but
I
think
we
should
look
at.
Do
we
want
to
do
a
virtual
chaos
con
as
part
of
a
North
American
open-source
summit
like
tied
right
in
the
way
we
would
do
it
otherwise
would
we
want
to
do
it
as
a
virtual
event
at
a
different
time
or
the
other
option
that
we
talked
about
initially
was?
B
A
J
D
C
B
G
C
C
C
D
C
Yeah,
so
that's
all
there's
a
lot
of
aggregation
happening
around
ATO,
which
I
think
is
fantastic
as
it
is
a
world
class
conference,
but
it
will
also
mean
competing
with
some
others.
So
I
love
the
idea
of
exploring
it
as
an
option.
It's
a
really
good
one
to
bring
us
all
together.
I'm
just
kind
of
will
often
look
closely
into
the
timing.
It.
B
I
F
A
J
F
B
E
F
I
I
Maybe
we
do
like
a
two
half
day
like
chaos,
Scott
one,
that's
like
very
APEC
friendly,
that's
more
intro
type
of
topics
and
then
do
sort
of
you
know
regular
chaos
calm,
but
it's
only
for
like
three
four
hours
right
so
you're,
not
in
zoom
session
for
like
eight
hours
and
we're
already
spending
like
a
way
too
much
time
on
soon
these
days.
For
obvious
reasons,
so
you
know
maybe
it's
you
know,
maybe
it's
not
necessarily
happening
at
the
same
time
as
open
source
summit.
Maybe
it's
I
don't
know
I'm
making
making
this
up.
I
A
G
A
Was
a
suggestion
about
kind
of
creating
a
horizontal
where
the
chaos
con
actually
occurs
over
the
course
of
two
or
three
weeks,
and
you
have
a
presentation
on
Tuesdays
Thursdays
or
something
along
those
lines.
The
next
week
you
draw
it
out.
You'd
have
fewer
speakers
thanks
for
coming
Matt.
Yes,
if
you're
a
speaker,
but
it's
also
laughs
way
less
intense
of
a
session
on.
That's
all.
Yes,.
F
Think
one
of
the
things
we
could
do
is
have
very
short
video
talks
on
topics.
You
know
just
very
micro
level,
short
videos
that
people
can
watch
and
it
can
be
part
of
an
archive
I
mean
when
I,
when
I
do
videos
for
students
online
I
think
about
three
minutes
to
four
minutes,
as
their
attention
span
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
for
anything
that
we
record
that
would
be
about
it
and
whether
or
not
we
can
get
people
to
show
up
at
events
that
might
actually
be
harder
than.
F
B
B
A
I
I
A
B
Exactly
and
I
think
I
think
so
let
me
just
break
the
stocks,
we're
kind
of
running
out
of
time
with
some
other
stuff
on
the
agenda.
If
I
look
at
next
steps
for
this
I
think
we
should
get
the
CFP
open
to
continue
to
collect
some
talks.
The
Linux
Foundation
is
gonna,
make
a
no
go,
no
go
call
I,
think
May.
First.
For
that
event,
so
I
think
we
I'm
not
sure
what
date
we
said.
We
were
going
to
close
the
CFP,
but
I
think
we
should
wait
and
close
it
on
that.
Go
no-go
date.
G
B
That
we
can
decide
what
we
do
from
from
here.
I
think
we
probably
said
it
was
going
to
close
in
April,
and
someone
else
should
confirm
that
I'm
not
making
up
that
May
first
date,
but
I
think
that
that
was
what
they
said
they
were
go
no-go
date
was
so
we
have
see
if
be
closing,
April
20th.
So
we
can.
E
A
And
I
will
I
think
we'll
just
kind
of
hit
this
one
last
thing
here
so
Google
Summer
of
Code
and
outreach
e
Google
Summer
of
Code
application
ends
today
for
all
of
you
that
are
subscribed
to
all
of
the
repositories.
This
will
lower
the
amount
of
noise
in
your
inbox
because
it's
been
extremely
active,
I
think
at
some
point
we're
gonna
have
to
sit
down
and
think
about
how
we
go
about
selecting
google
Summer
of
Code.
A
Basically,
the
next
step
for
google
Summer
of
Code
is
we
put
in
our
requests
for
the
number
of
slots
of
students
and
then
without
reaching
again.
We
just
have
one
slot
and
we'll
have
to
think
through,
and
what
that
selection
process
looks
like
so
kind
of
keeping
people
posted
the
the
student
activity.
Application
period
is
kind
of
coming
to
an
end
now
and
rebell
ready
to
transition
over
to
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
in
the
chaos
project,
where
we
actually
go
through
this
election
process.