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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call, August 1, 2023
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Meeting summary is here:
A
Hi
everyone,
it's
August
1st,
hey
new
month,
ready
to
go
you're
here
at
the
chaos
weekly
Community
call,
slash
hangout,
so
welcome
everybody
great
to
see
you
all
here
today,
quick
reminders,
as
we
always
do.
This
meeting
is
under
the
chaos
code
of
conduct.
So
keep
that
in
mind,
as
you
interact
with
us
with
that
day,
you
are
more
than
welcome
to
keep
your
camera
on
off.
Whatever
makes
you
comfortable,
you
can
interact
with
us
in
the
chat.
A
You
can
raise
your
hand,
you
can
pretty
much
just
do
whatever
you
want
to
do
here.
We're
good!
This
meeting
is
for
us
to
come
together
as
a
global
community
and
talk
about
things
that
are
pertinent
to
all
of
chaos.
So,
if
you're
wondering
what
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
is,
that's
it
and
I
think
that's
all
my
little
announcement
things
that
I
do
anything
yeah,
here's
the
minutes.
A
A
Question
to
answer
yeah,
but
you
can
think
about
it.
You
can
come
back
and
put
in
an
answer
later
if
you
want
so.
The
first
thing
on
our
agenda
is
hooray.
Don
is
here
officially
for
good
forever.
Yay
and
I
wanted
to
give
Don
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
space
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
what
your
role
is
going
to
be
and
what
what
kinds?
What's
on
your
mind
for
data
science
and
chaos,.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
to
be
honest.
I'm
still
figuring
that
out
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
to
help
with
that
process
as
well.
So
my
my
first
step
this
morning
was
to
create
a
data
science
channel
and
in
the
slack
so
now
now
we
have
that.
So
we
have
a
place
where
we
can.
We
can
start
collaborating.
I
am
working
on
a
doc
to
outline
some
of
the
initial
things
that
that
I'll
focus
on
at
least
kind
of
a
getting
started
deliverables,
so
things
that
I'll
work
on
over
the
next
couple
of
months.
C
C
C
C
The
second
one
is
building
a
kind
of
a
data
science
community.
So
the
slack
channel
is
a
start
for
that.
Anyone
can
participate
in
this
data
science
Community.
You
don't
need
to
have
specific
skills.
I
had
somebody
ask
me
earlier
today
if
they
can
participate,
even
if
they
don't
know
how
to
do
machine
learning.
Yes,
I
expect
to
do
very
little
machine
learning.
To
be
honest,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
Incorporated
in
data
science
and
anybody
with
an
interest.
In
you
know.
C
Data
and
extracting
value
from
data
is
more
than
more
than
welcome.
So
we'll
figure
out
how
to
how
to
drive
that
whether
we
need
a
working
group,
whether
it
makes
more
sense
to
just
collaborate
asynchronously,
we
have.
We
have
lots
of
options
there.
So
we'll
kick
off
some
of
those
discussions
shortly.
C
Not
just
the
data
science
initiatives,
but
you
know
on
a
more
holistic
level,
promoting
the
work
that
we
do
within
chaos
and
how
people
can
use
it
to
generate
meaningful
insights
kind
of
the
data
that
they
have
about
their
projects.
So
you
know
that
will
include
things
like
I'm
going
to
work
with
gear.
I
could
see
if
we
can
Revitalize
the
chaos
cast
podcast.
Now
that
I
have
some
time
that
I
could
devote
to
that
along
with
maybe
a
few
data
science
topics
to
put
in
the
in
the
podcast.
E
C
Are
those
are
kind
of
the
four
things
that
that
I'm
planning
to
start
with
and
like
I
said
I
will
provide
more
a
document
with
more
details,
so
you
can
comment
on
it
provide
suggestions.
You
know
I'm
I'm,
looking
at
kind
of
doing
this
role
in
a
very
collaborative
way,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
whatever
whatever
input
people
have
and
whatever
help
you
can
provide.
That
would
be
Fab
I'm.
F
F
The
second
comment
is:
I
really
I
really
like
this
list
in
part,
because
I
think
it
kind
of
like
broadly
looks
at
what
we
have
existing
in
the
chaos
project
like
and
tightens
that
up
and
like
helps
with
the
messaging
of
the
things
that
we
already
have
developed
over
the
course
of
the
last.
You
know
five,
six
years
to
help
people
engage
with
the
things
that
we
have
so
I
really
I
feel
like
that's
kind
of
in
here
and
I,
really
really
like
that,
and
then
the
question
I
have
for.
F
C
It's
something
I'm
gonna
have
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
more
time.
Thinking
about,
but
you
know,
I
I
do
think
that
there
there
are
certainly
I,
think
ways,
ways
to
do
this
that
have
worked
for
for
other
things
that
that
I've
worked
on
in
the
past.
So
you
know
if
you,
this
rule
is
actually
in
a
way
kind
of
similar
to
my
cncf
technical
Advisory
Group
for
contributor
strategy,
the
the
co-chair
position,
because
we
provide
loads
of
advice
to
cncf
projects
on
things
like
like
governance
and
contributor
strategy.
C
C
Perspective
and
then
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out.
You
know
other
other
options.
Like
you
know,
we've
talked
about
trying
to
make
this
position
more
financially
sustainable
over
time.
So
I
don't
know
what
that
would
mean,
and
that's
that's
something.
We
should
look
at
whether
we
you
know
have
people
who
can
do
some
of
this.
This
work
on
on
a
more
consultative
basis
with
with
companies
that
that
would
be
interested
in
paying
for
some
more
more
detailed
work
or
not
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
what
that's
gonna.
F
A
A
C
C
A
C
Yeah
I
think
the
I
think
the
liaison
roles
are
going
to
be
important.
I
need
to
catch
up,
I,
see
that
we've
assigned
some
Liaisons
and
and
had
some
conversations
around
that
that
I
need
to
I
need
to
catch
up
on
on
those
discussions,
but
I
do
think
the
Liaisons
are
going
to
be
important
and
I
do
think
that
you
know
in
particular
this
role,
the
the
you
know,
I
plan
to
go
to
a
lot
of
the
working
group.
C
Meetings
really
is
kind
of
as
many
as
I
can
probably
more
than
I've
attended
in
the
past,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
this
this
role
gets
sort
of
integrated
in
all
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
so
that
we're
not
not
missing
things
but
I
I
do
I.
I
would
like
to
work
closely
with
the
Liaisons
that
we've
already
identified
and
see
how
we
can
how
we
can
work
together.
The
data
science
initiatives.
D
G
C
E
A
E
A
A
full
ticket
which
is
not
terrible,
I
mean
it's
a
pretty
good
conference,
it's
jam-packed,
so
that
would
be
a
good
bang
for
your
buck.
I
think
it
is
October
15th,
the
17th.
You
can
find
more
information
there,
specifics
about
it.
I
would,
if
you're
interested
in
receiving
any
of
those
just
reach
out
to
me
and
I
can
connect
you
with
how
to
how
to
register
I.
A
A
C
Yeah
I
could
possibly
go
if
we're
in
a
pinch
and
we
really
need
someone
there,
but
but
my
talks
weren't
accepted
and
it's
sandwiched
in
between
the
hospitality
live
in
Frankfort
and
the
LF
member
Summit.
So
it
would
be
logistically
hard
for
me,
but
I
I
could,
if
we
really
needed
somebody
else.
There.
C
C
H
A
F
E
G
A
I
mean
it
was
hard
to
tell
actually,
because
it
was
kind
of
a
small
conference
at
Fosse
I
think
they
only
had
285
attendees.
So
we
had
27
27
responses,
so
we
did
technically
get
10
of
the
conference
to
fill
out
a
form.
I,
don't
know
how
truthful
anything
was,
or
people
were
just
kind
of
you
know
going
through
it
just
to
get
through
it.
So
I
don't
have
a
feel
for
that.
A
E
F
A
E
C
I
I
thought
it
got
people's
attention
and
so
people
stopped
by
and
talked
to
us,
even
if
they
didn't
know
what
chaos
was,
which
I
do
think.
It's
good,
I
I,
think
that,
like
you
said
it
was,
there
was
not
that
much
money
and
I
I
think
that
for
the
just
for
the
attention
and
getting
people
to
the
booth
and
getting
them
talking
about
something,
I
think
it
I
think
it's
beneficial
I
liked.
It.
H
Craig
I
agree
with
that
too,
and
I
think
acknowledging.
It
sounds
like
the
data
that
we
got
wasn't
necessarily
useful.
Then
if
we
do
want
to
have
some
sort
of
form,
then
I
have
to
kind
of
rethink
the
form
to
maybe
something.
That's
even
lighter
weight,
just
because
I
agree,
I
think
if
you
look
at
it
and
you're
like
I,
don't
trust
any
of
this,
then
it's
not
usable
and
so
like.
Why
did
we
collected
in
the
first
place?
A
Yeah
I
would
I
would
I
would
agree
with
that.
So
I
did
get
a
little
feedback
that
the
form
took
a
little
longer
than
folks
wanted,
like
usually
I,
think
when
you
sign
up
for
a
raffle,
it's
like
throw
your
business
card
in
or
here's
my
name
and
contact
him
like
that's
it
so,
like
the
barrier
might
have
been
a
little
high
for
some
and
that's
what
affected
the
quality
of
the
data
we
did
get
three.
We
love
you
Chaos's,
so
that
was
good
and
I
will
absolutely
think
that
those
are
100
accurate.
A
Few
that
agreed
with
a
few
of
us
that
agree.
We
should
do
it
again,
so
yeah
and
I
already
have
bought
that
bigger
suitcase
to
fit
it
in
so
I'm
ready
because
it
was
not
small
and
I
will
say
that
it
was
a
whoever
I
think
it
was
you
Matt.
You
were
like
no
Give
It
Away.
There
do
not
ship
that
and
I
am
so
happy
that
you
like
fought
for
that,
because.
A
C
C
A
Okay,
awesome
frame
this
email,
so
the
next
one
I
am
absolutely
putting
that
on
the
spot
and
you
do
not
have
to
do
this
Matt.
If
you
don't
want
I,
just
thought
that
maybe,
since
some
of
the
people
in
this
call
don't
exactly
all
attend
the
context
working
groups,
maybe
they
would
be
interested
in
what's
kind
of
going
on,
yeah
sure.
F
It's
no
problem,
so
the
we
have
three
context
working
groups
right
now,
and
these
are
working
groups
in
the
chaos
project
intended
to
help
folks
think
about
metrics
and
metrics
models
in
different
contexts,
and
so
we
have
a
university
working
group,
really
the
corporate
osbo
working
group
or
context
group
and
scientific
software
context
working
group.
So
each
one
of
these
is
helping
folks
in
these
different
areas.
Think
about
how
metrics
and
metrics
models
can
be
meaningful
to
them.
F
The
intention
of
these
context
groups
is
to
kind
of
abstract
some
of
the
work
that
we
do
in
chaos.
So,
like
the
details
of
you,
know,
publishing
a
metric
or
the
details
of
making
a
metric
model
or
attending
the
Common
working
group
kind
of
those,
those
those
details
to
kind
of
abstract
that
from
people
who
participate
in
these
working
groups,
so
they
can
just
kind
of
talk
and
think
freely
about
how
metrics
or
metrics
models
might
be
important
in
their
particular
context.
F
So
that's
that's
the
reason
for
setting
these
up
and
part
of
it
is
honestly.
It's
back
to
some
of
the
points
that
Don
had
raised
earlier
is
trying
to
take
the
resources
that
we
have
in
the
chaos
project
and
help
people
find
them
to
be
meaningful
in
their
particular
area
of
Interest.
So
how
do
we
kind
of
help
bridge
that
for
folks
we
do
have
Liaisons
assigned
for
each
one
of
these
context?
Groups
at
least
I,
think
for
all
of
them
and
the
Liaisons
are
people
who
will
attend
the
context
working
group
yeah.
F
Into
a
little
bit
of
the
details
about
making
metrics
or
making
metrics
models,
so
it's
a
person
who
is
in
intended
to
help
listen
to
the
conversation
kind
of
capture.
What
new
things
need
to
be
developed
and
then
bring
it
to
the
appropriate
spots
in
the
chaos
project.
To
actually
do
that
development
and.
F
Back
and
forth
between
the
those
those
two
different
kind
of
areas
within
the
chaos
project,
so
thanks
to
Jen
and
Ruth
and
Mary
blessing
and
Sean
and
Anita
and
basayo
who
have
volunteered
for
these.
These
roles,
Don
I
I,
will
I
like
I
kind
of
wonder.
If
we
talk
about
like
Liaisons
with
the
data
science
working
group
like
is
it
anyway,
I'm
just
I'll
have
to
think
about
that
too.
Just
how
that
would
kind
of
fit
together
yeah.
F
So
then
you
could
go
back
up
Elizabeth
and
each
one
of
those
links
then
takes
you
to
kind
of
this.
It's
a
model.
That'll
look
very
similar.
So
if
you
just
that's
the
university
hospital
and
if
you
click
on
another
one,
just
click
on
yeah
go
back
and
click
on
like
the
hospital
one.
You
see
they
look
similar,
and
so
the
intention
here
is
to
identify.
F
Well,
let
me
back
up
the
intention
here
is
to
to
support
how
we
think
about
metrics
and
metrics
models
in
these
particular
contexts,
and
so
we're
trying
to
avoid
like
just
a
a
kind
of
open-ended
discussion
about
well.
We
use
this
metric
in
this
particular
context
or
we
use
this
metric
model
because
this
you
know
kind
of
these
one-off
kind
of
things
we're
trying
to
assemble
where
metrics
and
metrics
models
might
be
able
to
assist
the
functions
of,
say,
a
university
ospo
or
be
able
to
assist
a
corporate
osbo
or
scientific
software
community.
F
So
that's
what
this
structure
is.
So
it's
kind
of
pushing
the
metrics
and
metrics
models
down
down
a
little
a
little
bit.
Someone
is
an
example
in
the
ospo
working
group.
Those
functions
across
the
top,
so
internal
adoption
education,
engagement,
leadership
are
things
that
we
have
discussed.
These
are
still
in
a
state
of
change,
so
these
are
certainly
not
set
by
any
means,
and
the
conversation
that
we
have
in
that
meeting
is
kind
of
helping
helping
kind
of
bring
these
together
and
really.
We
only
focused
on
internal
adoption
in
the
last
meeting.
F
What's
below
are
like
these,
so
you'll
see
like
internal
adoption
and
then
discovery
of
OSS
and
organizations
and
alignment
of
OSS
with
OSS
Community
work,
each
one
of
the
slides,
then
kind
of
unpacks
each
one
of
those
particular
goals.
So
yeah
you
can
click
on
slide
two
and
we
had
kind
of
walked
through
a
series
of
questions
that
people
might
have
to
to
address
that
goal,
and
only
then
it's
the
goal,
question
metric
approach.
F
B
F
F
The
hope
is
is
that
some
of
these
goals,
we
don't
even
have
the
goals
set
for
scientific
software,
but
some
of
these
goals
might
be
similar
across
these
different
context
areas
and
if
they
are
similar,
we
can
think
together,
like
we
don't
have
to
keep
Reinventing
everything
within
each
one
of
these
different
context.
Groups
do
I
expect
that
each
one
of
these,
like
things
that
we're
looking
at
here,
these
models
that
we're
looking
at
here
do
I
expect
that
each
one
will
line
up
perfectly
with
the
other
context.
Absolutely
not.
F
They
will
be
unique
in
in
many
cases,
but
I
do
suspect.
We
will
get
some
alignment
between
them
and,
as
we
were
talking
about
in
the
metric
model
meeting
today
as
an
example,
the
university
ospo
setting
at
least
the
discussion
is
very
distinctly
different
already
from
the
corporate
ospo
setting
and
scientific
software.
F
So
there
seems
to
be
at
least
at
the
moment,
more
alignment
between
the
concerns
that
folks
in
the
scientific
software
space
have
and
that
corporate
I
suppose
have
again
it's
not
perfectly
aligned
but
there's
more
discussion
around
things
like
Community
engagement
and
Community
Management
thinking
about
the
communities
that
are
that
matter,
whether
it's
in
the
corporate
ospo
space
or
in
the
scientific
software
space
communities
has
not
really
come
up
in
the
University
space
and
I.
Just
I
find
that
kind
of
interesting.
So.
D
F
E
F
G
Yeah
I
think
that
great
I,
like
the
structure,
that's
without
kind
of
mixing
Square,
especially
for
people
trying
to
join
these
groups
and
even
the
community
members
we
have.
My
question
is
not
about
this.
The
structure
of
without
here
or
it's
I
know.
Last
week
you
talked
about
creating
a
document
to
kind
of
like
outline.
The
different
responsibilities
for
a
liaison
I
was
going
to
ask
about.
If
that
was
shared
already
yeah.
F
E
E
A
Like
my
kryptonite
that
stupid
word,
oh
it's
so
hard
I,
never
get
it
right.
Can
we
can
we
I,
don't
even
know?
If
there's
another
word,
we
can
use
there.
I
guess
I'll
just
have
to
learn
how
to
spell
it
on
the
first.
Try:
okay,
great
great
question:
Ruth
any
other
questions
about
this.
If
you
all
want
to
know
when
these
meetings
happen,
let's
go
to
the
calendar
and
you
can
see
because
I
don't
know
what
to
talk.
A
A
G
B
A
A
G
F
My
I
guess
my
final
response
remember.
My
final
comment
would
be.
The
reception
has
been
very
positive
for
my
perspective,
so
the
osmo
working
group
has
a
really
great
turnout,
all
the
time,
the
the
university
working
group.
So
we
have
folks
from
Carnegie,
Mellon,
Santa,
Cruz,
RIT
and
Sloan
just
funded
eight
new
universities
to
start
ospo's
so
like
Texas
and
Stanford.
I
have
a
whole
list
and
I
reached
out
to
everybody
who
received
the
funding
on
Friday
to
and
to
welcome
them
and
to
join
our
meeting.
F
A
A
S
do
we
do
we
are
we
I
mean
I,
think
we're
okay,
with
these
three
firsts
to
start,
I
mean
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
think
we've
had
any
interest
in
any
other
communities
yet
I
mean
I
know.
We've
had
some
thoughts
about
other
places
like
event,
organizers,
Community
managers,
but
we
haven't
really
been
I,
haven't
anyway,
been
really
approached
about
that
or
seen.
D
E
A
A
B
A
A
A
If
there's
no
other
questions
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on,
that's
okay
and
I
didn't
want
to
put
you
on
the
shop
on
the
shot
on
the
spot
Sean
for
this,
but
this
was
from
last
week,
I
just
thought:
I'd
pop
it
back
up
and
see
because
I
think
I
did
see
you
making
some
progress
or
talking
about
this
somewhere.
So
if
you
do.
E
D
A
B
B
Just
one
question
before
we
sign
off
math
I,
don't
know
if
this
one
Foundation
reach
out
to
other
universities
outside
the
U.S,
because
this
could
be
a
good
opportunities
to
get
some
of
the
underrepresented
institutions
from
across
Africa
to
join
our
relative
discussion
on
the
University
skills,
but
I
know
most
of
them
because
we
have
a
similar
project
here.
Another
way
we
try
to
reach
out
to
collaboration
and
cooperations
with
universities
from
different
tables,
let's
say
underrepresented
groups,
but
most
often
they
are
limited
in
some
Scopes
like
fundings.