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A
There
you
go:
okay,
welcome
everyone,
welcome
to
the
jaws
value
working
group
march
25th,
and
please
set
yourself
in
the
meeting
minutes
and
tell
how
you
are
feeling,
and
today
we
are
going
to
start
with
our
discussion
with
the
share
of
voice.
That
is
organizational
impact,
so
I
missed
the
last
meeting.
So
if
any
of
you
can
update
or
anything
going
on,
I've
posted
the
link.
C
C
C
A
C
B
C
C
Does
an
organization
have
on
I
don't
care
about
my
barking
dog
when
it's
all
just
all
you.
A
A
C
C
C
C
C
C
E
E
The
influence
that
the
that
the
organization
has
in
this
area
is
kind
of
a
proxy
for
market
share,
which
would
be
which
would
actually
be
kind
of
a
value
that
the
organization
is
deriving
right.
They
control
this
much
of
the
market
right
or
this
much
of
the
ecosystem,
or
they
have.
They
have
this
much
influence
over
the
thing
that
they're
trying
to
do.
E
Awesome
market
share
is
probably
a
so
for
if
we,
if
we
go
back
to
the
kind
of
the
directionality
or
the
perspective
market
share,
is
probably
a
metric
that
the
organization
would
consider
a
that
would
be
value
for
them.
So
if
there's.
E
E
C
G
E
The
the
influence,
the
the
the
level
that
an
organization
can
influence
a
community
or
a
corporation-
it's
almost
a
I
want
to
say
I
don't
know
filter-
is
the
right
word,
but
it's
almost
a
filter
on
the
value
that
they
can
drive
like
we
can.
We
can
drive
this
much
value
if
we
have
this
much
influence
or
we
can
control
our
value.
E
We
can
control
the
value
that
we
get
from
the
community
if
we
have
the
power
to
influence
it
in
certain
directions,
so
it
becomes
kind
of
a
modifier
of
that
directional
organizational
value.
So
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
necessarily
see
the
that
influence
as
a
as
a
third
thing,
but
more
of
a
modifier
on
the
the
value
that
an
organization
can
receive,
and
maybe
I'm
maybe
I'm
way
out
there,
but
yeah.
A
B
Yeah
yeah
so
influences,
I
think,
extends
beyond
the
development
community,
possibly
in
some
ways,
and
then
an
organization's
impact
on
a
project
can
be
derived
from
development
data
entirely.
An
organization's
value
derived
from
the
project
can
be
determined
from
from
the
repo
data
and
and
platform
activity
only,
but
the
influence,
I
think,
possibly
requires
some
additional
analysis
like
twitter.
You
know
some
of
the
social
media
data
would
need
to
come
into
play
when
we
want
to
talk
about
influence
unless
we
operationalize
influence.
B
Only
as
how
you
know
some
quantification,
of
which
organizations
are
who's
which
organizations
commit
activity
and
issue
activity
seems
to
be
leading
the
conversation
within
just
the
development
ecosystem,
so
that
could
be
different
than
value
derived
from
or
to
value
delivered
to
the
rest
of
the
community
like
there
could
be
an
organization
just
like
google
probably
has
a
lot
of
influence
over
what
gets
put
into
kubernetes,
for
example,
but
how
what
their
value
derived
from
it
and
value
provided
to
it
are
possibly
different
numbers.
At
this
point.
C
B
C
C
Value
provided
to
a
project-
something
like
that,
and
this
will
now
contain
both
kind
of
development,
oriented
metrics.
That
sean
was
talking
about
things
that
we
can
see
as
part
of
a
release
right
yeah,
it's
a
kind
of
a
clearly
defined
contribution
to
the
code
base
as
well
as
influence,
so
they
tweet
a
lot
about
the
project
they
sponsor
the
project
in
many
ways.
So
it's
it's
both
right.
C
E
B
B
I
think
the
influence,
if
I'm
analyzing
the
repository
alone,
is
measured
by
what
is
the
relationship
between
issues
opened
and
discussion
about
what
the
what
the
appropriate
boundaries
of
the
feature
set
and
next
feature
set
on
the
roadmap
r
for
a
product
actually
get
implemented.
So
so
my
influence
on
what
gets
built
could
be
different
than
the
value
I
provide
to
the
project
because,
for
example,
in
the
example
I
used
earlier,
google-
probably
still
I
mean
at
this
point,
because
it's
become
a
project
that
many
companies
are
involved
in.
B
E
B
C
B
Three
well,
I'm
going
so
so.
The
reason
I
went
back
to
three
is
because
I
don't
think
the
influence
measures
should
be
included
in
organizational
value,
provided
I
think
that
is
only
repository
or
community
level
contributions
to
a
project
that
that's
the
value,
and
that
is
different
than
what
influence
I
have
on
what
the
other
companies
are
building
into
the
product.
Does
that
make
sense.
G
A
G
A
I
would
add
to
that,
it's
like
to
make
a
distinction
between
two
is
bringing
is
like:
they
bring
knowledge,
they
bring
infrastructure,
they
move
funding,
they
bring
employee
support
or,
in
those
terms
and
influences
they're
telling
them
what
to
do
or
how.
E
Right
so
my
so
my
earlier
point
was
not.
I
was
not
necessarily
wanting
to
include
the
the
organizational
influence
in
the
value
provided
to
the
community.
E
It
was
more
about
including
it
in
the
value
provided
to
the
company
or
the
organization,
and
that
was
my
point
about.
In
that
case.
It's
basically
market
share
it.
It
falls
apart
a
little
bit
for
me
if
we
add
it
to
value
provided
to
the
community,
because
it's
hard,
you
know
that
may
be
value.
It
may
not
be
value
like
influence,
can
be
a
good
or
a
bad
thing.
In
that
case,
maybe
the
maybe
the
community
doesn't
want
influence.
E
E
E
That's
the
big
question
mark
that
no
one
knows
the
answer
to,
and
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
work
on
that
one
yet
and
if
we
were
working
on
that
one
that
would
be.
I
think
that
that
influence
or
market
share
might
be
something
we
would
need
to
consider
in
that.
I
think
value
provided
too
can
be
derived.
B
B
Right,
I'm
not.
I
may
not
ever
contribute
to
the
kernel,
but
I'm
deriving
a
lot
of
I'm
deriving
a
great
deal
of
value
from
it.
Yes
and
I
I
may
drive,
but
if
I'm
a
small
device
company
like
I'm,
making
end
of
the
wire
equipment,
I
might
derive
tremendous
value
from
zephyr
and
I
probably
am
already
I'm
also
probably
contributing
to
zephyr
so
that
it
supports
my
whatever
my
end
of
the
wire
device
is.
E
Right
so
for
the
value
to
the
organization.
My
point
is
that
that's
kind
of
a
complex
thing,
there's
there's
a
bunch
of
different
ways.
Some
of
them
are
unknown
and
one
metric
isn't
necessarily
going
to
cover
it.
So
I
think
that's
a
bigger.
I
think
that's
a
bigger
question.
However,
the
value
that
an
organization
provides
to
a
community
might
be
a
little
bit
easier
to
answer
right
now,
mm-hmm.
E
So
so
I
think
it's
I
think,
and
and
and
we
could
probably
do
that
in
one
metric
rather
rather
than
splitting
it
up,
and
if
we
do
that,
then
the
influence
metric
is
probably
a
metric
on
its
own,
and
so
basically
I'm
yes,
I
I
am
going
back
to
okay,
fine,
I
see
three,
but
I
actually
kind
of
see
more
than
three
on
the
organization
side
right,
yeah,
okay,.
B
Yeah
is
that
making
am
I
rambling
or
no?
No,
I
mean
I'm,
I
mean,
I
think
I
guess
if
we
kept
it
simple
and
we're
starting
with
two
metrics
value
derived
and
value
contributed,
and
I
think
we
could
work
on
those
too
and
they're
fairly
discreet
and
understandable,
yeah
valuable
to
a
community
yeah,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
argue
is
that
we
keep
the
social
media
stuff
out
of
value
right
to
a
community
yeah
yeah.
C
Agree
with
that,
okay,
so
of
the
4
000
metrics
that
are
currently
on
the
table.
I
it
sounds
like
the
two
that
that
that
should
move
forward
are
organizational
value.
C
C
C
C
D
A
These
two,
so
the
best
option
thing
I
am
thinking
of-
is
creating
three
documents.
One
is
because
this
share
of
voice
has
been
so
jumbled
up.
C
Now
create
two
documents:
let's
just
start
there
and
just
go
ahead
and
like
in
the
notes
in
the
spreadsheet
and
in
the
notes,
say,
there's
a
another
possible
set
of
metrics,
which
is
the
value
derived
from
a
project
to
an
organization,
and
we
don't
even.
We
won't
even
create
a
document
on
that,
yet
we'll
kind
of
cross
that
directional
bridge
when
we
come
to
it,
which
is
going
to
be
after
we
finish
these
two
metrics.
E
E
E
C
E
Okay,
gage
that,
I
think
that's.
I
think
that
line
actually
works,
not
a
community's
influence.
Oh
no,
no,
the
an
organizat
companies
or
organizations
influence
and
I
think
the
the
following
sentence.
I
think
fits
yeah.
C
E
C
B
D
C
C
C
E
Organizations
compete
for
influence
in
crowded
communities
when
an
organization
responds
well
to
competitive
metrics
what
that
means.
What
does
that
mean
when
an
organization
responds
well
to
competitive,
metrics
use
influence
to
show
the
community's
percentage
of
market
share.
D
D
E
C
E
Yep,
so
this
this
metric
can
help
an
open
source.
An
internal,
a
corporation's,
open
source
advocate,
justify.
E
E
C
E
It
may
also
so
it
it
may
also
inform
boundaries
to
participation.
E
G
C
C
E
A
C
E
Thought
that
seemed
better,
so
an
organization
so
an
organization
when
they're
engaged
in
in
an
open
source
project
they
they
do
contribute
to
it
and
they
do
have
a
vested
interest
in
it
because
they
are
they're
they're
investing
time
and
money
into
it.
So
they
can
do
that
without
having
an
ownership.
E
C
E
It
fell
apart,
so
I
decided
to
step
away
from
it
for
a
second
okay.
I
think
it
still
needs
something
there,
but
I'm
not.
What's
that.
What
are
you
trying
to
say
well,
so
is
the
the
objective
of
the
metric
like?
So
if
this
metric
existed,
how
would
people
use
it?
So
what.
E
E
Other
organizations
may
have
difficulty
contributing
to
that
project
in
the
case
of
with
open
mama
because
of
the
heavy
organizational
influence
individual
developers
who
are
not
affiliated
with
corporations
could
have
trouble
contributing
to
that
project.
So
so,
in
that
case,
organizational
influence
can
actually
can
inform
whether
contributions
are
accepted
by
the
third
class
sentence.
I
just
wrote.
E
A
E
C
B
C
A
E
Oh,
and
was
this
this
wasn't
this
wasn't
venues,
this
was
matt
roberts,
wasn't
it
or
okay.
E
Yeah
elizabeth
was
on
this
one
too
matt
roberg
and
I
think
in
the
last
meeting.
A
Then
was
there
also
stephen
jacob.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
Everyone
made
a
good
progress.