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CHOASS.Community.April.7.2020
B
D
A
E
A
People
on
the
call
today,
so
it's
really
great
to
see
a
lot
of
new
folks.
So
if
you
have
questions
during
this
monthly
call
feel
free
to
to
ask
her
just
kind
of
chime
in.
If
you
have
comments
or
things
that
you
want
to
add.
Let
us
know
we're
happy
to
talk
about
these
things.
So
today,
I'd
like
to
to
start
the
agenda,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
Asia
in
touch
Georg
thanks
for
I'm.
Guessing,
that's
you
for
sharing
your
screen.
A
It
is
because
I
see
Georg
link
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
yep
I'm,
so
some
some
pretty
good
news.
We
are
gonna,
have
an
opportunity
to
I'm
gonna,
say
we're.
Gonna
have
an
opportunity
to
hire
a
part-time
community
manager
for
chaos
for
the
next
three
years,
which
I'm
pretty
pretty
stoked
about
they're
a
group
of
us
right
now,
myself,
Shawn
thanks,
Matt,
yeah
gay
are
done
and
Nicole
who
are
working
on
drafting
the
call.
A
A
D
A
A
G
F
What
we're
after
when
it
comes
to
value
as
a
monetary
evaluation
in
an
organization-
and
there
have
been
a
couple
specific
conversations
about
metrics,
so
I-
think
that
call
to
action
for
everyone
is
if
to
grab
those
metrics
and
discuss
how
they
fit
in
I.
Think
the
next
like
milestone,
we're
gonna
hit,
is
choosing
what
the
focus
groups
are
and
how
to
think
about
that.
I'm
gonna
open
an
issue
for
that
this
week,
because
yeah
got
some
inspiration
from
podcasting
this
morning
with
Jurgen
a
few
others
so
and
Dawn.
F
Of
course,
so
yeah
I
think
we're
at
a
state
where
the
other
thing,
that's
on
my
mind
on
that
front,
is
with
the
new
framing
and
trying
to
think
about
how
to
make
a
call
to
action
for
other
people
in
industry
to
jump
in
and
just
start
to
share
their
stories
and
github
issues
and
turn
those
start
to
group
those
into
metrics
as
well.
So
so
it
kind
of
complement
the
existing.
F
You
know
pretty
deeply
academic
ones
for
some
of
them
and
then
there's
some
others
I
think
if
we
can
pull
some
more
industry
folk
in
from
AWS
foes
and
Deborah
groups
and
Community
Managers
I
think
yeah,
we're
gonna
start
to
see
some
pretty
exciting
new
information,
but
just
really
trying
to
drive
towards
and
metrics
and
have
a
conversation
around.
The
focus
groups.
A
F
There's
a
lot
of
room
to
take
that,
like
they're,
some
of
the
existing
metrics
have
been
about
how
an
individual
understands
their
financial
value
to
the
organization
and
then
some
of
the
other
ones
that
we're
talking
about
or
is
like
how
does
like
what
ultimately
drives
a
business
decision
to
fund
a
project?
Is
it
github
stars
or
some
other
top-level
vanity
metric?
Or
are
there
other
sort
of
play
books
around
metrics
that
are
of
value.
A
So
the
question
on
that,
so
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
coming
up
kind
of
this
year
with
chaos-
calm
in
Europe-
was
organizations
that
are
not
necessarily
for-profit
organizations
that
need
to
do
that
value.
Determination,
oh
and
pecans
ice
science.
You
know
so
like
from
a
funding
perspective.
Sometimes
you
have
to
demonstrate
that
there
were
cleared
the
funded
work
that
you're
doing
there
still
dollars
involved,
but
the
funded
work
that
you're
doing
is
actually
creating
value
in
say
a
scientific
ecosystem.
F
I
I
think
it's
been
positioned
as
like.
If
it's
one
step
removed
from
financial
incentive
to
fund
community
work,
then
the
answer
is
yes
and
I.
Think,
like
you
know,
for
something
like.
However,
you
position
data
in
a
grant
in
order
to
get
fund
making
for
a
community
manager
like
you
just
did
like
what
sort
of
magic
you
sprinkled
in
there
that
added
value
enough
where
there
they
put
money
on
the
table
to
hire.
Somebody
like
I
think
that
is
a
universal.
Certainly,
there
will
be
different
tactics
and
different
verticals.
F
These
that
exact
sort
of
categorization
I
think
we're
still
in
the
early
stage
of
deciding
like
is
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
organize
it
by
like
business
type
approach,
or
does
it
make
sense
to
organize
by
like
the
intention
of
the
metric?
Is
it
kind
of
like
a
perceived
value
metric
for
an
a
sponsor,
or
is
it
a
perceived
value
to
the
the
person
with
the
metric
I
think
there's
there
needs
to
be
more
discussion.
There
I
think
value.
B
F
G
A
A
E
The
awesome,
why
did
Lawrence
pitched
to
talk
about
race,
the
survey
that
he
is
doing
for
the
to
do
group
and
to
talk
about
the
survey
efforts
that
were
done
by
the
note
at
the
University
of
Nebraska,
Omaha
and
I?
Think
we
wanted
to
talk
about
yeah.
Just
have
that
conversation
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
topics
we
will
discuss,
but
then
yes,
it
would
be
good
to
also
talk
about
the
social
currency
metric
system,
since
we
just
recorded
the
podcast
episode
on
that
yeah.
F
So
Jory
I'm
going
to
start
a
thread
on
that
as
an
issue
before
hand
in
the
next
day
or
so,
and
but
then
anyone
on
the
line
who's
if
you're
looking
for
a
reason
to
join
us,
Thursday
I
think
special
guests.
Talking
about
to
do
group
surveys,
Lawrence
from
the
new
stack
will
be
doing
so
that
so
that
will
be
very
interesting.
A
A
A
E
There
are
more
on
tier
dominated
if
I
can
say
that,
and
there
it'd
be
call
it
app
ecosystem
because
norm
and
Katie
in
their
others
who
they
produce
not
just
the
desktop
for
Linux,
but
they
have
an
entire
ecosystem
of
apps
around
that,
and
so
how
do?
What?
What
are
the
metrics
that
are
most
meaningful
here
and
for
the
foundations
that
support
these
projects,
but
also
for
the
individual
project?
And
it's?
E
E
So
it's
it's
a
slightly
different
kind
of
working
group
from
the
ones
that
we
have
so
far
and
yeah
this
week
we
talked
about
the
the
mission
of
the
project
and
introduce
the
different
people
who
joined
the
call
and
then
next
time
we
meet,
and
so
in
two
weeks
it's
a
biweekly
meeting.
So
in
two
weeks
we're
going
to
start
with
with
the
actual
work.
A
A
A
Kind
of
going
off
of
what
somebody
had
planted
in
my
brain,
but
things
like
value
or
common
or
evolution
or
risk
or
D&I
they're
kind
of
these
long
arc
working
groups
that
are
kind
of
meant
to
be
there
to
capture
conversations
in
these
spaces.
So,
for
example,
like
as
Matt,
was
just
talking
about
value
the
value
working
group
for
the
value
working
group
to
exist
for
two
to
three
to
four.
A
A
E
A
Think
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
taking
a
look
at
the
suite.
It
sounds
like
this
is
what
is
kind
of
going
on
the
sweet,
double
castes
metrics
and
the
tooling
that's
available
in
providing
the
kind
of
that
if
initial
look
at
there
were
positives
that
are
meaningful
to
this
particular
context.
Is
that
right,
yeah,
and
so
that
is
I'm
sorry,
what
was
that
gig
I?
Don't.
A
B
I
won't
speculate,
I
mean
I,
mean
I,
think
I
think.
To
some
extent,
the
people
who
were
there
that
were
not
familiar
with
chaos
really
want
to
understand
what
we're
doing,
and
so
we
started
with
referring
them
to
the
websites
and
things.
But
okay,
I
do
think
this
is
a
group.
That's
not
going
to
be.
Probably
developing
metrics,
like
the
other
working
groups,
do
I
think
these
are
more.
B
My
sense
was
there
are
more
like
communities
that
we
can
work
with
to
understand
the
utility
of
our
metrics
and
potentially
identify
the
new
metrics
with
and
to
help
them
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
I,
think
Cass
is
going
to
help
them
and
learning
in
Mokey's
will
help
them,
but
they're
not
there,
because
they
already
understand.
That's
the
challenge
of
common
metrics
definitions.
They're
there,
because
they
need
help
is,
was
my
sense
that
which
is
very
different
than
the
other
working
groups.
So.
A
F
C
A
C
Sure
I
mainly
added
the
note
so
I
wouldn't
forget
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
So
the
types
of
contributions
metric
we've
proposed
as
one
of
the
rolling
metric
releases
and
I
just
looked
in
that
issue
for
that
metric
has
been
open
for
just
over
a
month
so
and
we
made
what
I
think
is
probably
the
the
last
change
we
needed
to
make
in
the
last
meeting
and
I
just
merged
your
pull
request.
Matt
I
just
saw
that
I
had
forgotten
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that
one
might
be
ready
for
the
rolling
release.
C
So
we
did
that
in
the
last
common
working
group
meeting
and
then
we've
also
been
continuing
to
advance
the
time
to
close
metric.
So
we
used
part
of
the
meeting
as
just
sort
of
a
working
session
within
that
document
to
to
advance
that
metric
and
get
it
in
better
shape,
and
we
made
a
ton
of
progress
actually.
G
D
D
G
C
A
F
A
G
G
A
B
Risk
yeah
the
risk
working
group
is
focusing
on
testing
safety,
critical
systems
and
medical
devices
and
auto
grade
Linux
this
year
and
we're
particularly
interested
in
looking
into
the
octo
project
and
the
Elissa
project
as
potential
examples
of
adjacent
projects
that
are
also
looking
at
risk.
Metrics.
B
B
A
B
Yeah
metrics
for
safety,
critical
systems
I
think
are
good
online,
so
safety
critical
is
perhaps
an
umbrella
for
med
devices
and
auto
grade
Linux
testing
and
test
coverage.
Oriented
metrics
along
with
sort
of
code
checking
metrics
are
going
to
be
central,
so
I'm
sure
we'll
also
develop
additional
licensing
metrics
during
the
year,
but
these
safety
critical
systems
are
where
we're
gonna
focus
and
I
didn't
testing
his
test.
B
Metrics
are
a
big
part
of
that,
so
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
like
and
where
the
alyssa
project
and
the
Yocto
project
come
in
is
they're
also
looking
at
similar
things.
I
know
for
sure,
with
the
ELISA
project
and
I
honestly,
I
don't
have
a
clear
signs
like
Kate
just
talked
about
both
of
them
and
I
need
to
look
into
them
both
a
little.
B
Because
the
often
these
systems
have
not
been
open
source
in
the
past,
and
so
the
level
of
test
coverage
and
things
they
do
to
ensure
fail-safes
and
similar
kinds
of
things
are
not
a
traditional
component
of
open
source.
Okay,
so
there's
a
bit
of
a
melding
of
safety,
critical
industries
that
were
not
open
source
with
emerging
Oh
safety,
critical,
open
source
projects-
that's
it.
Okay,
all.
A
B
A
B
I
am
attending
evolution
and
I.
Think
there's
a
I
can't
remember:
Carter
go:
can
he
org,
Matt
I?
Think
it's
bad
gee?
You
must
have
been
on
the
last
meeting
and
I
were
on
the
last
meeting.
I
believe
we
have
another
one
coming
up
this
week
and
and
we've
just
been
really
focusing
on
new
contributors
of
issues,
metric
definition
and
talked
through
how
to
create
tags
on
the
continuous
release
cycles,
which
I
think
is
the
the
long
road
we
almost
went
down
with
Kevin
earlier.
B
E
A
B
A
B
A
B
I
agree,
and
I
think
that's
a
larger
theme-
that
as
a
as
a
cast
community,
we
might
start
thinking
more
about,
as
we
apply
the
tools
that
we
have
within
different
communities.
I
think
new
metrics
are
being
defined
sort
of
in
a
ad
hoc,
but
but
but
if
they
can
be
defined
from
the
work,
that's
being
done
to
answer
questions
that
people
have
so
this
cycle
of.
B
A
So
maybe
in
the
evolution
working
group,
whenever
it
fits
or
christine,
is
appropriate,
it
almost
feel
like
it'd,
be
like
running
an
interview
with
somebody
saying
auger
who
has
it
there
you
go
that
has
a
deployed
metric
that
we
just
simply
ask
you.
You
know
what
what
is
question
that
this
is
this.
This
metric
is
addressing
what
is
the
description
of
this
metric?
What's
the
objective,
what
are
the
filters,
and
we
cannot
basically
just
run
it's
already
deployed,
so
it's
in
theory.
It
should
be
fairly
straightforward
to
capture
yeah.
A
E
Inclusion,
so
there
are
two
streams
of
work
being
advanced
in
the
diversity
and
inclusion
working
group.
One
is
documentation
and
accessibility,
it's
a
metric
about
how
well
our
documentation
is
accessible
and
this
exploded
as
we
went
into
the
beads,
and
so
we
are
now
splitting
this
up
into
three
separate
metrics.
One
focusing
on
the
technical
aspects,
like
is
it's
green.
E
Can
we
have
a
voice
interpretation
of
the
documentation?
Is
it
something
you
can
open
on
a
phone
there's
another
documentation,
accessibility,
one
about
the
way
the
content
is
structured
and
the
way
that
it's
presented
and
is
it
searchable?
Can
you
find
what
you're
looking
for
and
then
there
is
another
one?
The
third
one
may
be
specifically
going
to
details
for
different
people's
abilities.
E
H
About
that
I
thought
I'd
turn
my
mic
on,
but
I
didn't
hi
everybody.
So
my
my
idea
of
the
DNI
badging
right
now
is
that
we're
spending
a
lot
of
our
DNA
badging
time
easy
doing,
framework
or
government,
it's
kind
of
things,
or
mostly
distributing
proposals
and
proposal
drafts,
so
we're
getting
ready
to
look
at
having
a
sign
of
code
student
and
possibly
not
Ricci,
student
and
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
The
other
thing
that
we're
that
Garriga.
Thank
you
for
reminding
me.
We
once
we
get
those
metrics
kind
of
in
a
stable
state.
H
E
A
A
A
B
B
We
actually
the
last
auger
call,
would
be
a
great
wonder
of
you.
You
were
gonna
pick
one
auger
called
review.
It
would
be
the
one
from
last
week
because
we
went
over
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
Jupiter
notebooks.
You
know
to
help
people
extract
some
of
the
data,
that's
been
on
her
but
isn't
revealed
yet
through
our
dashboard.
We
also
talked
about
our
new
release,
which
includes
a
lot
of
improvements
to
workers,
ease
of
installation
as
well
as
a
full
docker
compose
script.
B
That
would
actually
let
you
just
build
augers
all
of
the
constituent
parts
of
augur
and
we
have
overhauled
and
simplified.
Our
document
overall
simplified,
updated
our
documentation
to
reflect
the
refactoring
that
we
did
to
make
augur
easier
for
people
to
get
started
with
and
also
easier
to
contribute
to
over
time
and,
of
course,
we're
excited
about
the
possibility
of
google
Summer
of
Code
students
as
well
and
any
day
now
there
should
be
a
full
new
release
of
auger,
so
I.
A
B
Bad
question
in
general
I
think
we're
I
think
we're
always
going
to
provide
a
UI
for
the
most
common
metrics
in
questions,
probably
a
handful
of
dashboards.
How
how
those
sort
of
dashboards
exist
and
get
created
may
change.
I
find
front-end
work
that
front-end
work
that
looks
good,
is
expensive
to
build,
and
so
as
I
as
I
think
about
it
over
time.
B
Certainly,
we've
spent
a
lot
of
energy,
perfecting
I,
don't
perfecting,
but
hardening
the
data
model
and
the
data
collection
strategies
that
we
use
and
producing
analytics.
You
know
showing
people
how
to
use
that
database
to
get
their
questions
answered,
providing
an
API
that
delivers
chaos
metrics
explicitly
and
providing
a
front-end
that
gives
you
like
the
very
basic
component,
the
very
basic
questions
that
people
have
we're
exploring
other
options
for
our
dashboard.
That
takes
less
time
to
maintain
than
a
fully
functional
web
front-end
would,
by
which
I
mean
fully
customized
web
front-end,
all
right
cool.
B
It
certainly
I
think
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
part
of
it
is
we
haven't.
We
haven't
had
somebody
with
a
strength
in
building
data
sciency
front
web
web
presences,
okay,
and
so
that's
why
it
may
change
what
we
do.
What
we
do
might
change
we're.
Looking
at
Griffin,
I
haven't
I
haven't
set
that
direction.
It
wasn't
a
question
to
lead
you
to
build
a
UI
or
to
no
no.
No,
it's
no!
No,
but
it
is
something
it's
something
that
we
actively
talk
about
a
lot.
B
You
know
like
right
now,
our
right
now
we're
keeping
it
stable
below.
We
focus
on
our
slack
bot
notifier
and
getting
that
so
getting
it
release
out
this
week,
getting
our
selective
about
released
by
the
end
of
the
month,
with
all
the
things
that
you
need,
so
that
you
don't
get
a
thousand
notifications
an
hour.
E
D
E
A
A
It's
actually,
it
was
really
nice.
The
the
meeting
just
prior
to
this
I
will
say
it
was
a
great
meeting
because
it
was
working
through
kind
of
community
driven
questions
in
terms
of
just
the
install
be
it
I
thought
it
was
a
great
working
session
and
trying
to
solve
solve
issues
around
just
getting
it
installed.
So
I
thanks.
That
was
a
great
great
great
session,
so
outreach
here.
Do
you
have
anything
to
say
about
the
podcast
at
all?
No.
E
E
Go
back
to
the
archive
I
recommend.
Listening
to
it,
we
are
working
with
the
code
fund,
podcast
network
and
looking
to
onboard
there
to
get
more
administrative
support
and
to
to
offload
some
of
the
management
work
that
needs
to
happen
around
editing
and
the
show
notes
and
all
that,
the
next
episode
we
were
just
talking
about
it.
At
the
end
of
the
last
recording
the
next
episode
we
would
like
to
have
on
augur
so
Sean,
I'm
gonna
reach
out
to
you
to
invite
you
yeah.
E
B
E
E
B
H
E
E
And
then
also
we
have
the
logo
contest.
I'm,
just
gonna
show
this
real
quick.
We
have
some
really
great
submissions
and
the
one
that
we
like
the
best
is
Louis's
submission
and
I'm
Valerio
were
close
up,
so
my
question
Matt
is:
can
we
just
go
ahead
and
do
this,
or
should
we
talk
with
the
Linux
Foundation
to
make
sure
we're
not
diluting
the
brand
that
they
own.
E
E
A
A
A
A
Would
you
be
all
okay
if
I
just
reached
out
to
the
events
team
and
set
up
a
meeting
around
that
and
then
it's
something
that
we
could
kind
of
report
back
or
we
could
discuss
it
even
just
on
a
document
or
something
along
those
lines?
But
we
need
to
get
fairly
serious
as
to
what
are
like.
Choose-Your-Own-Adventure
is
gonna,
be
through
the
course
of
the
next
six
months.
Yeah
well,.
C
G
D
D
C
A
A
B
A
Yeah,
so
that's
just
okay,
so
thanks
John
for
reminding
me
conversation
from
last
week,
I'm
not
a
fan
of
doing
work.
Unless
we
have
to
do
the
work,
you
don't
I
mean
like
preparing
for
something
that
may
not
happen,
but
but
then
the
better
part
of
me
says
we
oppression.
Thinking
about
this
now,
just
in
terms
of.
A
C
A
Mean
it
really
sounds
like
virtual.
Some,
some
form
of
virtual
is
gonna,
be
what
ends
up
happening
to
me.
Listening
to
the
conversation,
okay,
yeah.
Okay,
all
right
great,
thank
you
still
an
outreach
for
Emily
what
happened
to
middle
okay,
wrong,
I'm,
still
an
outreach,
so
google
Summer
of
Code
and
outreach
e
there
they're
done
they've
closed,
so
the
volume
of
emails
is
was
down.
I
think
you
know.
A
Ultimately,
we
just
need
the
the
mentors
for
the
folks
at
grimore
lab
and
the
DNI
badging
and
augur
to
recommend
how
many
candidates
they
would
like
to
to
try
to
make
an
offer
to
I
think
what
I'm
gonna
do
without
Ricci
is
I'll.
Take
a
look
at
the
final
submissions
and
just
see
what
tasks
were
submitted
to
I
think
it
may
only
be
augur.
I
haven't
done.
All
poll
requests,
I,
see
they're
still
too,
but
there's
D&I
badging.
Oh
there's
grimore
lab
D&I
badging
and
then
the
anomaly
detection
is
augur
so
we'll.
B
Some
folks,
so
this
in
the
case
about
Ricci,
we
only
have
one
person
because
we
pay,
for
that
is
that
right.
You
are
correct
and
in
the
case
of
google
Summer
of
Code,
it's
a
question
of
essentially
Google's
asked
for
kind
of
an
outrageous
number
of
mentors
at
Duke
Ovid
they've
asked
for
three
mentors
per
person,
which
you
know
it's
not
feasible
for
anyone,
but
we
have
to
decide
sometime
soon,
but
I
think
April
21st.
B
How
many
we're
going
to
ask
for
and
it
I
don't
know
if
grimore
labs
done
reviewing
theirs,
but
we
have
a
really
solid
ones
so
and
I
we
don't
leave
I,
don't
think
we
got
a
handle
that
many
I
think
I
think
we're
gonna
camp
ourselves
at
a
five
but
I,
don't
know
how
many
we
actually
want
to
ask
for
collectively.
I
grew
more
alive
as
another
five.
Do
we
ask
for
eleven?
B
B
Does
seem
outrageously
high
but
I
we
we
thought
for
was
kind
of
high
last
year,
so
maybe
it's
six
or
seven
I
don't
know.
Do
we
have
to
have
that
discussion?
I
do
think.
Badging
is
going
to
be
asking
for
one
yeah.
That's
I
was
that
was
the
like.
The
seven
yeah
yeah
I'm,
assuming
that
I
mean
badging,
only
has
well
healthy.
They
would
have
priority
I
guess.
A
A
A
Asia
it's
scheduled
for
tomorrow,
so
which
is
great,
so
I've
been
able
to
coordinated
a
time
with
King
who's
in
China,
and
it's
gonna
be
really
the
first
then,
on
the
class
calendar,
it's
not
I
mean
I
was
just
kind
of
coordinating
trying
to
just
coordinating
a
time
with
him.
That
would
work
and
then
he's.
B
A
Interest
at
this
point
yeah,
so,
okay,
so
that's
I'm,
happy
to
have
that
moving
forward
and
then
the
last
thing:
let's
go
through
all
these
goals.
The
last
thing
is
on
the
list
is
these?
Are
the
goals
so
Daniel
had
suggested
that
we
bring
these
goals
to
the
community,
so
these
are
the
goals
that
were
brought
forward
from
the
board
meeting
last
month
and
I'll
be
sharing
those
minutes
here
shortly.
We
I
clearly
don't
have
time
talk
about
these
today,
but
okay,
see
you
Don,
but
I.
A
B
Yeah
and
not
only
I,
they
seem
like
good
goals.
Like
my
only
comment
is:
how
do
we
facilitate
contact
with
these
sorts
of
people?
Where
are
the
places?
The
meetings
are?
The
zoom
calls
now
that
we
need
to
be
to
make
contact
on
a
regular
basis
and
make
make
sure
the
people
who
do
these
jobs
are
aware
of
us.
B
A
I
think
a
lot
of
the
goals,
any
a
lot
of
these
can
occur
within
the
working
groups
or
they
are
already
occurring
within
the
working
groups.
Yeah,
you
know,
I
suppose,
is
not
terribly
surprising-
that
a
number
of
us
who
are
on
the
board
also
attend
these
weekly
meetings
and
they
they
tend
to
line
up
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
the
proposal,
but.
B
Presumably
the
the
fact
that
all
three
of
these
goals
include
I
suppose
effectively
means
that
we
want
to
widen
the
pool
of
I
suppose
involved
in
working
on
chaos
or
employing
cast
metrics
right,
so
I
guess
strategically.
My
question
is:
how
do
we
facilitate
the
growth
of
that
connect,
the
Oxbow
of
the
impossible
goal
so.
A
One
of
the
the
first
connection
that
I
see
is
tomorrow.
Wait
Thursday
in
the
value
group
was
a
member
from
to
do
it's,
gonna
be
doing
Maureen,
and
so
that
may
be
a
a
nice
first
entry
I
suppose
the
value
I
was
thinking.
That's
at
least
a
good
point
of
connection.
So
to
start
okay,
we
are
at
12
noon.
I
really
appreciate.
Everybody's
I
mean.