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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Hangout: November 13, 2018
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CHAOSS Weekly Hangout: November 13, 2018
A
B
So
we
have
this
conversation
so
I'll
back
up
a
little
bit.
The
conversation
about
discourse
has
been
going
on
since
we
started
and
it's
always
been.
Do
we
go
to
discourse?
Do
we
use
a
different
platform,
devious
emails
and
we
started
out
with
an
email
list,
and
so
back
in
the
day
when
we
started
was
just
like
okay,
let's
keep
it
simple
and
keep
what
we
have
and
we'll
switch
later.
B
And
so
that's
why
I've
set
up
the
discourse
link
or
the
discourse
instance,
so
that
we
can
think
about
moving
there
and
I'm
saying
moving
because
after
the
conversations
we
had
last
week
and
on
the
mailing
list,
maintaining
the
mailing
list
and
discourse
sounds
like
a
bad
idea.
As
we
are
fragmenting
the
community,
and
so
we
should
have
either
remain
lists
or
the
discourse
platform
and
then,
as
in
terms
of
features,
this
course
provides
all
of
the
functionality
that
no
from
mailing
lists.
B
So
you
can
respond
to
right
out
of
your
mainland
software
or
a
program
that
you
use.
You
can
sign
up
to
certain
threats
or
topics
on
the
discourse
platform.
Just
like
you
would
sign
up
to
different
mailing
lists
and
mute
others
so
that
if
you're
in
one
work
group,
you
know
one
I,
listen
to
what
the
other
work
group
is
saying,
that
is
definitely
possible
and
that
answers
all
of
the
questions
that
I've
received
so
far.
One
of
the
concerns
was
host.
B
Getting
this
course
hosted
by
the
company
behind
this
course,
but
it's
an
open
source
company.
We
can
export
all
the
data
spin
up
our
own
instance
at
any
time,
or
if
that
really
is
a
concern,
then
we
can
ask
the
Linux
Foundation
hosted
for
us.
So
thank
you
for
posting.
The
link
in
the
chat
mat
sure
that's
my
summary.
On
the
conversation
we've
had
so
far.
C
D
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A
D
D
F
B
F
G
A
A
H
I
A
A
I
A
I
Yeah
my
my
experience
in
moving
tools
is
that
there's
always
some
compelling
reason
that
the
existing
tool
isn't
working.
So
you
move
to
a
new
tool
and
then
you
find
the
limitations
of
that
tool
and
that's
not
gonna
work
for
some
people
and
then
it
you
getting
into
this
constant
trying
to
pick
something.
That's
not
broken
and
I
feel
like
that's
where
we
are
right
now.
Yeah.
D
J
Everybody
could
hear
me
because
I'm
you
assume
yes
yeah,
okay,
perfectly
I
mean
so,
let's
I'm
new,
with
zoom,
so
I
I'm,
trying
I
will
try
to
to
show
you
my
screen.
I
worked
it.
It
works,
yeah,
okay,
you
could
see
my
screen
yeah
with
some
slides,
yeah,
okay.
So
basically
in
Edinburgh
in
UK,
we
met
with
York
and
spoke
about
my
talk.
I
gave
about
the
methodology
of
multi-criteria
comparison
and
typology
of
open
source
different
of
the
source
project.
J
So
basically
because
I
didn't
met
anybody
in
France
before
from
canvas
community,
so
I
discovered
what
basically
you
had
you're
working
in
this
field.
Yes,
yeah
yeah!
So
so,
and
this
Pope
is
young
and
he
proposed
me
to
speak
a
little
bit
on
this
regular,
even
about
about
what
what
I
did
so.
Basically
I
spoke
about
her.
H
J
Okay,
okay,
so
he's
back
yes,
yeah
yeah,
as
I
said
that
I
knew
his
zoom.
So
sorry,
okay,
so
so
I
spoke
on
open
source
assignment
about
we
just
open
source
projects,
because
me
I,
am
CTO
of
some
French
one
French
agency
and
we
have
worked
in
lots
with
open
source
so
and
we
could
notice
what
the
various
more
and
more
open
source
projects
and
it's
hard
to
define,
which
a
good
which
I
bet.
It's.
J
Basically,
you
know
the
stuff
I
chaos
matrix
of
open-source
software
and
I
proposed
methodology
about
how
to
choose
a
good
good
projects.
So
we
have
different
players
about
metrics.
We
have
metrics
for
core
team,
make
metrics
for
ecosystem
about
different
extensions
of
one
of
technologies
after
race,
metrics
of
open
source
project
integration,
integrators
of
open
source
solutions
and
the
medics
even
from
clients.
So
lots
of
stuff
and
I
spoke
about
just
documentation,
marketing
performance
production,
QA
security,
size,
oriented
staff
usage,
so
lots
of
stuff,
and
what
is
the
most
interesting?
J
It's
like
open
source
software,
specific
metrics
in
our
case.
So,
for
example,
probably
I,
don't
know
if
you
already
made
such
Mattox,
but
I
will
speak
in,
probably
you
you
already
know
it,
but
I
will
speak
anyway
so
about
author.
So
we
have
like
such
metric
like
Authority
or
experience
of
the
author,
so
we
could,
for
example,
me
I
made
lets
which
show
you
some
stuff
code.
J
J
D
J
So
basically,
the
up
we
could
make
a
query
and
to
check
from
github
directly
and
one
or
multiple
one
of
multiple
open-source
projects,
and
we
could
compare
them
between
them.
So
we
could
drag
about
on
different
hit
areas
so
about
discrete
areas.
So,
for
example,
it's
like
experience
also
after
it
eats
involvement
into
his
open
source.
Software
actually
also.
A
J
Exactly
exactly
yeah,
so,
let's
see
I,
don't
know
if,
okay,
let's
say
I'll
fire
show
you
failure
failure,
because
you
could
do
it.
We
could
check
yourself
that
it
works.
So
you
can.
We
have
application
and
we
have
statistics
because
I
post
some
statistics
I
made
with
with
with
my
software,
so
everybody
could
could
have
the
access
to
these
statistics
and
could
work
could
could
analyze
it.
J
So
here
there
are
language
comparison,
because
even
a
language
languages
itself,
it's
open
source
projects
today,
so
I
made
analyzes
of
open
source,
which
is
which
I
found
on
github.
So
you
have
keys
here
like
a
goal:
Python
PHP
or
a
strawberryk
C
restore
the
mg
o
la
rúa.
So
there
are
lots
of
languages
and
we
have
like
different
metrics
mythix
mythix
mythix
mythix,
mythix
magnetics.
H
J
Okay,
I
see
it's
basically
to
have
the
possibility
to
order
more
simply
and
to
assign
metrics,
and
it's
like
more
more
visual,
because
we,
of
course
we
could
have
like
medical
I
created
ad
and
we
could
pay
to
put
a
date.
But
agent
dates
it's
something
more
clear
so
order
and
to
understand
if
the
project
is
newer,
its
semantically
is
it's
more
easy.
It's
that's
much
on
the
cognitive
level,
it's
more
easy
to
realize,
which
project
is
older
and
which
is
yeah,
yeah
I,.
A
Think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
we
struggle
with
a
lot
in
the
chaos
project
is
there's
a
lot
of
available
trace
data
like
what
you
have
here
and
it's
it's
trying
to
determine
the
rationale
for
why
and
the
the
chart.
You
showed
earlier
kind
of
metrics
aimed
at
different
layers
that
that
was
really
interesting.
You
know
what
I
mean
you
could
throw
that
earlier,
that
there
were
different
kind
of
profiles
of
individuals,
mm-hmm.
C
A
Metrics
could
be
aimed
at
I
think
one
of
the
the
tricks
is
so,
for
example,
the
work
that's
going
on
in
DNI.
It's
like
why
you
know
you
have
these
areas
that
you're
interested
in
and
then
there's
particular
metrics
that
highlight
about
that
area
so
being
able
to
contextualize
these
metrics
--is
is
I,
think
one
of
our
huge
challenges
that
at
least
that
I
run
into
so
I'm
trying
to
get
it
like
why
the
columns
that
you
picked
here,
why
you
picked
these
particular
column?
Okay,.
J
Because
it
was
base,
I
could
say
already
what
I
am
a
CEO
of
a
company
which
has
our
own
values
and
the
I'm
a
pragmatic
guy.
So
for
me,
it's
important
because
I
knew
our
project
project,
which
is
more
newer,
has
potentially
has
more
new
ideas.
It's
like
new
generation
of
open
source
project.
If
it
will
be
some
old
old
old
project.
Okay,
we
could
see
it's
like
stable
project
but
open
source.
It's
always
competition,
always
innovation.
So
it's
it's
positive.
J
Majority,
some
of
some
of
matrix
I
get
them
only
for
statistics
just
to
to
think
about
and
they
are
not
used
in
ratings.
Okay,
but
so
it's
like
what
gives
me
I
I
get
it
I
put
it
here
to
see
if
it
could
be
used
to
make
some
recreation
with
this
data
and
to
do
something,
but
lots
of
them.
I
used
for
ratings,
yeah,
quick,
oh
okay,
so
so.
J
Another
interesting
metrics
of
course
varies
like
social
metrics,
like
stars,
forks
when
active
forks,
because
sometimes
people
say
for
cop
and
sauce
project,
but
they
don't
give
back.
And
so
we
could
see
what
it's
like
good.
When
we
have
like
good
advances,
project
with
good
spirit,
we
are,
people
are
motivated
to
to
go
and
to
contribute
back.
It's
like
not
only
one
guy
who
is
doing
on
the
he
scored
and
he
said
and
didn't
accept
anything
of
any
other
project.
J
So
it's
like
I,
also
good
contribution
metrics
like
if
there
are
high
number
of
active
workers
in
persons,
for
example,
also
another
interesting.
It's
like
returning
contributors
contributors,
which
contributes
irregularly
on
on
a
regular
basis,
because
in
a
mostly
in
any
project
you
have,
you
could
have
like
lots
of
contributors
like
like
400
here,
but
only
100
from
them
really
regular,
regular
contributors.
So
they
more
more
like
four
weeks
of
contribution
during
their
participation.
So
another
kind
of
medic
I'm.
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D
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A
Is
how
you
operationalize
these,
like
some
of
them
right,
might
be
fairly
easy
to
understand
from
a
definition
perspectives,
for
example,
forks
yeah,
probably
just
Forks,
is
what
I
guess
I
things
like
returning
contributors?
Okay,
so
you
know
you
actually
do.
Is
that
do
you
have
that
on
here,
I
mean
I,
suppose
I
could
look
it
up
and
definition.
A
C
J
C
J
Okay,
so
we
so
so
I'm
connecting
matrix
after
and
make
a
calculation
and
some
there
are
some
formulas
of
some
medics,
then
not
so
obvious,
like
returning
contributors.
So
where
is
like
number
of
contributors
number
of
commits
so
and
the
and
the
after
I'm
renting
all
the
oldest
matrix
and
where
is
like
overall
placement,
which
is
based
on
the
medium
placement
of
in
different
matrix.
A
Yep
so
there
that
that's,
these
are
the
links,
so
at
the
top,
you'll
see
grimore,
lab
and
auger,
and
those
are
the
two
kind
of
the
so
Shaun
is
kind
of
leading
the
efforts
with
auger
who's
on
here
and
hey
soos
who's.
Also
on
this
call
is
leading
the
efforts
with
well
with
other
people
too
Daniel
on
grimore,
lab
and
I
mean.
Maybe
it's
worth
kind
of.
Maybe
that
group
meets
Wednesdays
at
this
time
tomorrow
at
this
time.
Is
that
correct
guys?
A
F
F
That
I
find
interesting,
I'm.
Sorry
I
came
late
to
the
meeting,
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
missed
something
important
but
from
your
presentation,
I
find
out
that
you
have
a
kind
of
a
use
case.
I
mean
you're
using
metrics.
For
something
specific
and
from
that
point
of
view
in
the
AMD
working
group
we
are,
we
are
trying
currently
to
capture
use
cases,
so
people
using
metrics
for
some
specific
purpose.
D
F
The
usual
way
of
doing
that,
you
know
it's
in
relationship
with
some
use
cases.
So
that's
why,
on
a
top-down
approach,
on
the
one
hand,
we
are
trying
to
capture
use
cases
and,
on
the
other
hand,
we
are
trying
to
capture
specific
questions
and
goals
for
same
focus
areas.
You
have
the
list
of
focus
areas
in
the
in
the
repository
for
the
working
group.
If
you
want
to
have
a
look,
you.
A
A
F
F
J
F
J
F
You
girl,
basically,
the
mailing
list
is
for
general
staff
related
to
cows,
but
also
for
specific
discussions
and
I
suggest
that
you
send
the
message
introducing
yourself
and
from
that
on,
we
can.
We
can
start
the
conversation,
a
specific
on
use
cases
if
you
want
to
contribute
us
to
contribute
one
and,
as
as
matt
said,
if
you
have
the
time,
meet
us
tomorrow
in
the
working
group
for
a
team,
be
at
this
time
in
nearly
the
same
google
zoom
so
that
weekend,
azimuth.
F
F
K
B
J
B
J
Basically,
it's
the
idea
to
find
the
on
the
base
system
of
metrics
of
important
areas
and
on
weights
of
each
criteria.
The
idea
is
to
find
the
best
project
for
some
use
case,
for
example,
for
example.
For
me,
it
could
be
important
if
I
am
like
a
young
developer
and
I
would
like
to
find
some
new
fancy
project.
I
would
like
to
find
popular
project.
J
A
Alright,
so
let's
see
as
pedir
we're
showing
things
I
realized
that
I
still
have
to
clean
up
the
metrics
repository.
So
it
see
we
share
disagree,
see
I
still
have
some
work
to
do
there.
So
that's
on
my
to-do
list.
Thank
you
for
thank
you
for
putting
that
on
your
screen.
So
put
it
right
in
front
of
my
face
remind
me
that
I
have
things
to
do
yeah
what
what
else?
A
I
Yeah,
pretty
you
know
it
was
a
a
small
meeting.
There
was
a
good
stack
conference.
Some
people
were
at
other
people
who
couldn't
attend,
so
it
was
Garrigan.
My
and
I-
and
we
talked
about
one
of
the
things
we're
working
on
right
now
in
the
DNI
working
group,
is
proposals
for
upcoming
talks
and
upcoming
conferences.
I
Okay,
my
dear
so
we're
we
put
together
a
kind
of
a
panel
for
us
all
that
will
submit
to
Gaston
and
put
together
another
proposal
for
more
of
a
kind
of
a
workshop
ething
like
what
we
did
in
Edinburgh,
and
this
is
also
a
good
time
to
remind
you
that
chaos
con
CFP
is
open.
She
did
not
have
very
many
talks
submitted
so
sweet.
It
Russell
people
into
submitting
things,
I,
don't
care
whatever
it
takes,
but
we
need
to
get
more.
C
I
J
I
If
you're
going
definitely
definitely
want
to
submit
something-
and
you
know
maybe
other
people
who
are
using
some
of
the
tools
that
we're
working
on,
if
we
can
get
some-
you
know
kind
of
some
users
of
some
of
what
we're
doing
to
submit
some
talk.
That
would
be
great
to
be
good
to
see
how
people
are
using
the
data.
That
would
be
great
and.
G
I
G
I
A
C
I
D
C
I
F
F
If
you
are
analyzing
how
any
community
I
mean
any
open
source
community
is
working,
it's
very
likely
that
they
are
going
to
be
represented
in
some
of
the
tape
rooms
in
important
hello,
20
of
them.
So
usually
they
appreciate
talks
on
how
they
are
performing,
how
they
are
they
working
how
the
community
is
or
whatever
analytics.
So,
if
you.
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anything
over
on
your
no
I
mean
I
think
we're
we're
continuing
to
press
forward.
We've
got
one
use
case
of
another
submitted
and
I
think
that
the
growth
maturity
to
clown
group
is
starting
to
make.
You
know
some
good
traction
so
really
encouraging
others
to
start
engaging
each
in
the
process,
because
it's
starting
to
get
fun.
Okay,.
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Any
other
items
of
business
from
people
I
mean
I,
guess
this
is
an
informal
meeting,
so
yeah
any
other
pressing,
pressing
concerns.
Alright,
we
do
have
a
there
is
a
board
meeting
coming
up
after
at
the
end
of
November.
So
if
anybody
has
any
items
that
they
would
like
to
be
brought
up,
but
the
board
meeting,
let
myself
for
hey-zeus
know
and
we're
happy
to
bring
those
forward
or
been
gone.