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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call 3-1-22
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B
After
all,
the
good
stuff
yeah
all
right
well
welcome
to
march
1st
hooray,
we've
made
it
through
two
months
already
of
2022.,
so
good
for
us
community
call
we,
we
are
here
same
time
same
place
every
week
and
the
minutes
have
been
dropped
in
the
chat,
but
if
you
need
them
again,
just
give
us
a
shout.
If
you
wanna,
of
course
put
your
name
down
under
attendees
you
can
you
do
not
have
to
do
that
and,
as
always,
you
do
not
have
to
turn
your
camera
on.
We
don't
care
here.
B
B
B
B
B
B
We
release
a
group
of
metrics
together
that
we've
developed
either
new
or
if
we've
revised
any,
we
lump
them
all
together
when
we
put
them
out
there
as
an
official
release
to
say
these
are
metrics
now
that
you
can
use
and
run
with
and
have
fun
with,
so
that
time
is
now
before
we
do
that
release.
We
have
a
30-day
public
comment
period
where
anybody
they
don't
necessarily
even
have
to
be
in
chaos.
B
D
E
There's
one
I'm
working
on
right
now
in
evolution
like
it's
done,
the
pr
just
needs
to
be
merged,
and
then
I
have
to
get
it
in
the
translations
repo.
So
there's
it's
that's
kind
of
where
this
other
one
is
don
that
you're
referring
to
like
it.
The
it
just
needs
to
be
made
into
a
pr
you
know,
and
then
the
issue
updated
for
episodic
contributors.
Okay-
and
I
honestly
I
can
do
that
today-
I
have
time
after
this
meeting.
A
A
F
G
F
B
All
right
thanks
everybody,
we
have
a
nice
little
group.
I'm
surprised
how
many
metrics
we
are
going
to
have
because
all
things
considered
because
we
had
like
the
end
of
year
break
and
we're
also
reviewing
old
metrics,
and
we
also
have
some
operational
stuff.
We've
been
working
on
so
there's
other
things
and
we're
still
cranking
them
out
so
good.
For
us,
everybody
should
be
proud.
E
I
guess
I
have
this
like
just
kind
of
ongoing
concern
when
we
get
to
a
release.
Now
is
we
we
just
have
a
lot
of
metrics
and
the
balance
between
releasing
new
metrics
and
reviewing
old
metrics
like,
and
this
seems
to
be
widening
every
time,
and
that
does
cause
me
stress,
and
I
know
that
we're
supposed
to
be
releasing
metrics,
obviously
as
a
chaos
working
group,
but
that
just
stresses
me
out
a
little
bit.
F
I
I
agree
with
that
and
by
I
think
there
are.
There
ends
up
being
a
kind
of
a
gulf
in
the
language
that's
used
in
the
older
metrics
versus
the
newer
metrics,
because
we're
not
reviewing
them.
So
it
kind
of
gets
to
a
point
where,
like
some
of
those
older
metrics,
I
don't
have
a.
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
trust
in
some
of
the
older
metrics,
because
we
haven't
reviewed
them
so.
G
E
Yes,
I
think
we
need
to
do
something
and
I
think
we
might
even
need
to
think
about
like
what
reevaluation
process
looks
like
so
like
if
it's
a
metric
from
you
know
when
we
first
started
right
now,
it's
a
fairly
heavy
weight
process.
If
there
are
substantial
changes
to
it,
it's
basically
the
same
as
a
a
new
release
of
a
metric,
which
you
know.
That's
I
don't
know,
maybe
something
in
between
of
a
full
review,
but
not
just
a
all
looks
good.
H
I
was
gonna
say
I
feel
like
I
would
be
open
to
like
more
of
a
structured,
focused
time
on
only
reviews,
because
I
think
in
the
risk
working
group
we
had
kind
of
realized.
We
were
coming
up
to
a
release
and
it's
sort
of
like
we
want
to
spend
our
time
on
this
metric
that
we're
developing
or
do
we
want
to
spend
some
time
looking
at
our
old
metrics.
F
B
I
think
that's
the
sentiment
across
working
groups,
at
least
the
ones
I've
seen
like
where
it's
yeah
it's
on
the
list.
But
then
there's
also
this
other
thing
that
we
have
to
talk
about,
and
we
want
to
finish
and
would
it
would
it
make
sense
to
have
maybe
a
small
group
of
people
that
kind
of
do
the
first
pass
of
these
and
then
submit
that
to
the
working
group.
E
E
A
E
A
E
B
F
A
A
F
I
was
just
going
to
volunteer
my
assistance
on
that
task
if,
if
matt
and
elizabeth
would
would
like
it
so
I
have
a
I
have.
I
think
I
have
a
fair,
a
high
level
of
knowledge
about
all
of
the
metrics
and
together
and
possibly
how
they
kind
of
relate
together.
So
I
can,
I
can
usually
tell
when
a
metric
needs
to
reference
another
metric
or,
if
we're
dealing
with
similar
topics
in
metrics,
for
example,
welcome
kevin.
I
F
G
B
B
B
Sounds
good
okay,
so,
in
the
dei
badging
team
we
are
gonna,
have
a
virtual
dei
badging
celebration
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
We
want
to
first
off
just
acknowledge
and
celebrate
our
reviewers
who
volunteer
their
time
to
review
incoming
applications
for
a
dei
event
badge,
and
we
also
it's
the
two-year
anniversary
of
it.
So
we
just
want
to
celebrate
and
bring
everybody
together
and
hang
out.
So
we
have
a
doodle
poll.
If
you
don't
mind
filling
this
out
at
your
convenience,
we
would
love
to
have
you
there.
B
We
are
a
little
bit
limited
on
the
time
frames
only
because
we're
also
trying
to
work
out
what
works
best
for
the
reviewers
themselves.
So
if
you
can't
make
any
of
those,
I'm
really
sorry,
but
we
love
you
anyway,
and
we
would
still
like
it
if
you
could
come
so
yeah
thank
you
and
by
the
end
of
the
week,
if
you
can
do
that,
that
would
be
great
okay.
Next
one
g-stock
ideas,
we
did
get
the
last
day
sean
for
those.
Yes,.
A
B
A
A
Testing
the
ideas,
so
at
this
time
I
I
have
micro
tasks,
the
micro
tasks
should
be
in
there.
I
don't
think
they're
going
to,
but
they
go
in
the
issue
that
you
create.
So
you
can
just
edit
the
text
of
the
issue
and
there
are,
if
you
look
at
the
other
ones
that
are
in
there,
I
think
they
all
have
microtasks
associated
with
them,
and
you
could
just
look
at
the
example.
The
the
micro
tasks
are
usually
fairly
straightforward
for
the
website
knowledge
base
one.
F
Have
some
ideas
and
I've
already
created
the
issue
for
it,
and
I
put
a
link
in
the
idea,
however,
that
my
question
is
when,
when
do
we
need
to
have
those
microtasks
as
soon
as
possible,
because
google's
looking
through
our
stuff
right
now?
Okay,
so
they
that
is
needed
right
now
as
well:
okay,
yeah
yeah!
Okay!
I
will
do
that
today.
Thank
you.
A
B
H
H
A
real
number.
I
don't
know
if
I
started
being
a
phrase
because
it's
often
like
you
can
fabricate
numbers
out
of
anything
and
so
the
more
we
discussed
it.
We
were
like
hey.
This
would
potentially
be
a
good
fit
for
our
metrics
model.
So
I
know
I
haven't
really
been
involved
in
this
conversation,
but.
A
Yeah,
it
is
yeah,
the
metric
is,
we
specified,
it
is
very,
oh,
it
has
to
be
interpreted
and
somebody
in
a
project
has
to
determine
when
what
is
the?
What
is
the
birth
of
a
defect
from
the
perspective
of
the
project,
and
we
discussed
that
at
length
and
it's
when
the
project
is
made
aware
of
it
through
some
kind
of
issue
or
notification.
H
Yeah,
because
because
there
could
be
multiple
disclosures
that
happen,
but
if
they
don't
happen
to
the
project
directly,
then
there's
no
there's
nothing
to
track
it
against.
So
it's
really
when
the
issue
becomes
aware
to
them
and
how
quickly
those
things
are
addressed.
So
that's
been
consuming
the
last
couple
of
meetings
that
we've
had.
So
I
don't.
A
A
E
H
H
So
they're
the
more
I
look
at
the
more
I
want
to
dig
into
the
methodology
they
used
to
attribute
a
value
or
z-score
to
the
individual
packages,
but
they
basically
try
to
create
a
standard
approach
to
assess
the
overall
value
usage
of
the
package
and
prominent
package
ecosystems
and
hosting
sources.
So
it's
it
potentially
it's
the
most
like
it's
most
comprehensive
report
like
that
that
I've
seen
at
an
industry
level
versus
by
a
company
or
by
a
specific
product
or
project
area.
H
So
sorry,
I'm
bringing
it
up,
because
I
think,
if
we're
talking
about
this
in
terms
of
metrics
models,
then
we
are
going
to
have
to
take
the
bigger
view
of
it
and
how
how
it's
not
just
identifying
dependencies
is
what
you
do
with
that
information
and,
in
their
case,
they're
prescribing
a
value
or
a
level
of
importance
on
things
that
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
see.
If
we
could,
I
don't
say,
borrow
their
methodology
but
like
investigate
whether
or
not
it
would
make
any
sense
for
our
own
context.
H
Maybe
we
can
tap
on
kate
in
the
risk
working
group,
given
that
we
haven't,
we
have
an
insider
who
worked
on
this
with
kate
and
david
wheeler,
so
the
risk
working
group
can
take
that
on.
But
I'd
be
I'd,
be
interested
to
see
if
that's
applicable
at
all,
to
what
you're,
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
matt.
A
Yeah
because
because
yeah,
I'm
being
thanked
for
generating
reports
that
I
did
for
the
first
report,
it
does
say
of
course,
census
two
vulnerabilities
in
the
core,
but
this
looks
like
it's
from
this
is
like
the
link
seems
to
be
sorry.
Let
me
let
me
there's
no
date
on.
It
is
the
thing,
so
you
can't
really.
D
H
D
G
B
H
Thanks
everybody
putting
dates
on
things
don,
I
agree
with
you
they.
I
don't
know
why.
But
research
reports
don't
put
dates
on
things,
because
I
think,
there's
probably
a
fair
amount
of
delay
to
like
when
you
write
it
to
when
things
actually
get
published
in
what
spaces,
but
like
you
should
state
your
work.
B
A
B
B
G
B
E
D
A
A
B
Okay,
so
it's
mostly
just
to
like
put
that
in
like
plant
that
little
seed
in
everybody's
brain
that
that's
gonna
be
trying
to
happen.
So,
okay,
let's
move
on,
we
got
a
little
bit
of
time.
Left
quick
update.
She
code,
africa,
they
have
their
own
mentorship
program
called
contribute,
contribute
on.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
saying
that
right,
but
we
are
we
did
submit
for
that.
We
have
an
idea
about
doing
a
newcomer
bot
in
our
newcomer
channel.
B
That
would
welcome
people
that
come
into
the
channel
and
give
them
resources
right
off
of
that,
because
right
now
a
lot
of
that's
just
manual.
So
we
want
to
try
to
streamline
that
process
a
little
bit.
So
we
will
let
you
all
know
if
we
get
accepted
into
that
and
we
have
multi
multi
mentors
for
that,
since
none
of
us
could
do
it
full
time.
There's
four
of
us
that
are
going
to
split
the
mentorship
on
that,
which
is
is
good.
I
think
it'll
work
out
great,
so
that'll
be
good.
B
A
B
Correct
we
were
just
talking
about
mailing
lists
and
etc,
etc,
and
this
came
up
as
a
way
to
kind
of
help
with
newcomers
and
the
the
wide
variety
of
places
where
information
is
found
so-
and
this
is
a
little
more
sustainable
and
because
no
that's
not
the
right
word,
it
saves
the
data
a
little
better.
It's
a
little
easier
to
find
information
than
searching
through
a
mailing
list,
archives
or
slack
conversations
that
go
away
because
we
don't
have
the
pro
level
slack.
Ours
will
get
deleted,
eventually,
so
yeah.
D
Do
we
think
I
can
restate
my
position
on
forums
and
mailing
lists?
I
I
actually
have
no
strong
preference
either
way,
but
we,
I
think
we
have
to
pick
one.
We
can't
have
a
forum
and
because
what
happens
is
you
have
mailing
list
people,
and
then
you
have
foreign
people
and
you
just
end
up
with
two
parallel
conversations
on
similar
topics
and
then
the
two
never
never
actually
meet
as
an
old
person
who
does
a
lot
of
email,
though
I
would
like
a
forum
that
has
email
integration
in
case.
We
need
that.
D
But
last
time,
last
time
we
had
this
discussion
in
the
big
meeting.
I
think
that
there
were
enough
people
that
felt
strongly
about
the
mailing
keeping
the
mailing
list,
that
we
decided
not
to
go
with
the
forum,
but
I
do
think
forums
in
general
are
kind
of
more
accessible.
It
gives
people
more
options,
maybe
maybe
it's
time
to
make
that
make
it.
D
A
Easier
yeah,
I
agree
with
you
don
it
and
I
think
the
discussion
forums
have
the
advantage
of
being
archival
and
let
people
find
old
discussions
so
we're
not
repeating
the
same
discussions
and
I
think
we're
at
the
point
where
part
of
the
you
know,
part
of
the
things
that
I
think
we're
thinking
about
with
the
knowledge
base.
Part
of
that
set
of
stuff
can
probably
be
addressed
through.
A
F
F
J
If
you
know
I
I'm
a
big
fan
of
the
forums
in
general,
like
whatever
the
platform
is,
if
there
aren't
gonna,
be
too
many
complaints
about
the
mailing
list,
I
mean
I,
I
do
see
the
emails,
but
I
rarely
read
them
because
I
I
get
the
same
information
on
slack
or
somewhere
else
at
this
meeting
and-
and
I
slightly
disagree
on
slack
versus
like
forum,
I
think
they're
slightly
different
slightly
different
conversations
happen.
I
think
slack
or
I
mean
those
chat
like
platforms
is
more
for
real-time
conversations.
D
D
A
And
I
would
add
that
if
somebody
posts
the
mailing
list,
if
we
take
away
the
mailing
list
right
now,
I
don't
think
anyone's
going
to
notice
honestly
and
if
we
took
away
slack
right
now,
I
think
the
community
would
break
because
it's
where
all
the
communication
is
happening
right
now
I
mean
we
slowly
will
redirect
it
toward
the
forum,
but
I
don't
think
you
can
take
slack
away,
but
you
can't,
I
think
we
can't
take
the
mailing
list
away
because
it's
it's
at
this
point.
I
think
fairly
non-essential.
J
G
E
B
A
D
D
J
A
This
yeah
posting
slack
to
a
discussion
forum
like
a
lot
of
times.
I'm
just
answering
quick
questions
that
don't
have
context.
I
don't
know
if
I
want
that.
I
don't
know.
If
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
I
want
my
slack
conversations
archived
because
I'm
not
sure
they're
as
helpful
as
a
discussion
forum.
What
could
just
be
a
channel
that
you.
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right,
yeah,
but
I've
seen
like
some
communities,
I
mean
I
I
think
it's
a
little
noisy,
like
somebody
posted
a
question
on
this
course.
It's
a
reminder
for
somebody
to
go,
go
answer
it
or
respond
to
it,
but
I
gotcha
yeah,
that's
that's
a
little
noisy
but
exporting
like
the
conversation
you
want
to
preserve.
In
slack
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
actually
kind
of
cool.
I
use
it
like
I.
I
would
export
like
a
one
thread
a
week,
for
example,
that
I
find
interesting.
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opened
up
and
I
would
need
the
dns
entry
for
us
to
play
with,
but
yeah.
If
we
want
to
go
this
way-
and
I
I
do
think
just
it's
not
infrastructure,
we
want
to
maintain
in
terms
of
updating
discourse
as
an
open
source
project
on
a
server
and
all
that
I
think,
even
at
100
a
month,
it's
a
deal
to
not
have
the
headache
of
administering
it
yeah.
I
agree
just
have
a
credit
card
ready
or
yeah.
They
ask
you
for
that
on
the
free
trial,
so
yeah,
but
yeah
I'll
go
back.
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I
mean
I've
seen
I've
seen
communities
going
too
far
in
both
directions.
So
there's
one
community
that
I
I
got
pulled
into
right
after
they'd
set
up
all
of
their
mailing
lists
and
they
set
up
like
50
mailing
lists
for
a
brand
new
project
only
only
like
three
of
them
were
ever
used
for
anything,
but
they
had
set.
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They
had
set
up
mailing
lists
for
like
each
individual
sub
component
of
this
project,
and
it
was
just
a
gigantic
again,
a
gigantic
waste
and
then,
on
the
other
hand,
people
just
create
a
general
one
which
just
gets
so
full
of
stuff
that
you
can't
find
anything,
and
so
we
need.
We
just
need
to
think
about
where
we
want
to
balance
that
at
least
to
start.