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A
Having
some
technical
difficulties,
the
recording
has
begun
for
alrighty
cool.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
hi
everybody
welcome
to
the
asia
pacific
chaos.
Community
call.
We
have
a
couple
things
on
the
agenda.
I
went
ahead
and
put
the
minutes
in
the
chat
and
I
think
first
first
on
the
line
is
david
with
the
cii
best
practices.
Badge
david.
Were
you
here
a
couple
weeks
ago?
Do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself?
I
don't
know
how
many
people
know
you.
I.
A
B
Know
me,
but
absolutely
happy
to
do
it
so
david,
a
wheeler.
I
actually
work
for
the
linux
foundation
as
of
april,
but
I've
been
interacting
with
chaos
and
actually
a
number
of
other
folks.
I've
been
involved
in
open
source
software
and
or
security
for
literally
decades.
B
B
Real
quick,
the
cia
best
practices
badges
for
those
of
you
who
are
already
familiar
with
it
basically
identifies
a
set
of
criteria
for
basically
what
we
think
are
best
practices
for
open
source
software
projects
and
projects
that
meet
those
get
a
badge
and
there's
actually
three
levels:
passing
silver
gold,
the
status
of
the
ci
best
practices
badge
for
project
is
actually
one
of
the
chaos
metrics.
B
So
oh,
I
have
a
link
there.
If
it's
under
user
content
focus
area
security,
here's
the
issue,
we
had
translators
for
japanese
and
chinese
and
we
actually
have
translators
for
others.
Gyorg
link
is
our
translator
for
german,
but
unfortunately,
due
to
various
factors.
Well,
I
our
chinese
translator,
I
guess
no
longer
works
at
huawei
and
our
japanese
translator
has
kind
of
disappeared.
B
So
I
would
very
much
like
to
have
more
at
least
one
translator
for
chinese
and
japanese
for
chinese
simplified,
although
we'd
be
happy
to
do
traditional
as
well
and
japanese.
So
I
think.
B
Yeah,
my
understanding
is
well.
My
understanding
of
chinese
can
probably
be
fit
in
the
thimble,
so
which
is
one
reason
why
I
want
somebody
who
actually
is
a
native
speaker
fit
on
a
nano
chip,
but
in
case?
So
if
you,
if,
if
it
is
not
hard
work,
if
you're
a
native
speaker,
this
is
easy.
It's
generally
like
a
paragraph
a
month
of
text,
you
know
a
couple
sentences,
but
it's
important,
and
so
please
see
me
afterwards
and
just
email
me
and
we
go
from
there.
Yes,
matt.
A
So
do
you
have
a
couple
questions?
Do
you
have
things
in
particular
with
with
the
cii
best
practices
badge
that
you
would
like
to
start
with,
and
maybe
you
could
share
what
those
are.
B
Okay,
so
basically
what
happens
I
mean
I
can
probably
pull
out
a
couple
things
of
text,
but
basically
what
happens
is
the
ci
best
practices
has
already
been
translated
to
chinese
and
japanese,
but
things
change
over
time.
There's
little
tweaks
to
the
criteria.
B
We
actually
have
added
some
more
text
since
then,
particularly
explaining
what
it
is.
That's
actually
probably
the
biggest
one.
That's
actually
a
couple
paragraphs,
but
what
happened
is
you
know,
as
things
have
changed
more
recently,
our
translators
basically
are
unavailable
now,
and
so
it's
it's
purely
there's
a
website
you
go
to
and
you
just
it
will
identify,
what's
changed
and
you
just
translate
the
things
that
have
changed
and
none
of
it.
None
of
it
is
terribly
difficult.
This
is,
if
you're
a
native
speaker.
This
is
easy.
B
A
B
I
don't
know
if
I've
got
it,
it
varies
depending
on
the
language.
What
has
and
hasn't
changed
since
then.
So
I
don't
have
a
simple
one,
but
I
mean
if
I
pulled
it
up,
you'd
go
yeah,
that's
just
normal
text,
which
is
true,
but
anyway
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time
here.
So
it's
basically
simple
sentences
right.
It's
it's
very
simple
sentences.
It's
nothing
complicated!
B
So
just
shoot
me
an
email
d
wheeler
at
linuxfoundation.org.
If
you're
not
sure,
please
come
try
it
out.
If
you
only
do
it
for
a
little
bit,
it
would
still
be
a
big
help.
B
That
would
be
spectacular.
Could
you
send
me
an
email?
I
don't
have
your
email,
but
I
will
stick
my.
F
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
and
another
thing
my
teammates
named
malicia
is:
she
is
on
the
meeting
now
she
is
glad
to
translate
it
together.
I
think
later
she
can
calculate
with
shaya
and
they
can
translate
it
together.
I
think.
B
Yeah,
more
is
better
you
just
log
into
a
website,
so
we
can
handle
multiple
people
doing
translations,
not
a
problem
at
all.
So
thank
you.
I
I'm
very
grateful
and
just
try
it
out
and
see.
B
Oh
absolutely
it
it
will
show
you
what
has
changed.
It's
just
a
site
you
log
into,
but
once
you
log,
I
will
give
you
account
an
account
and
when
you
log
in
it
will
show
you
that
right
away.
G
Okay,
I
I
can
give
you
a
give
a
hand
on
that
and
to
I
I
think,
cia
badges
is
very
good
and
we
can
learn
something
from
that.
Thank
you
so
much
wait.
I
will
send
you
an
email
for
that.
A
A
B
H
I
B
All
right
and
happy
to
help
with
technical.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
for
your
time
and
happy
answer
for
other
questions
later
great,
that
the
connections
could
be
made.
That's
cool.
H
All
right
right
on
all.
H
Right
here
one
thing
we
did
david,
where
you
remember
that
pull
request.
We
got
from
someone
who
made
like
100
million
changes
right.
H
J
B
No,
it's,
okay!
No!
It's
something
that
can
be
used
any
time
if
you,
if
you
would
prefer
to
work
with
a
simple
text,
file
and
upload
all
at
once.
Instead
of
using
a
web
interface,
we
have
a
little
tool
that
will
let
you
do
that.
I
I'm
not
sure
it's
an
improvement.
B
I
I
think
it's
much
easier
to
use
the
web
interface
because
it
will
then
show
you,
here's
a
google
translation
to
as
a
starter
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
you
don't
you
if
you
send
me
text
files,
we
can.
We
can
handle
that
also.
B
So,
thank
you.
I'm
done.
A
A
All
right
next
item
is
willem
is
sharing
his
experience
with
the
inner
source
summit,
so.
G
Willem
I
think,
two
weeks
ago
I
I
had
a
chance
to
go
to
tencent
to
attend
the
inner
source
virtual
summit
at
first
two
phase,
one,
and
I
think
this
experience
will
help
for
our
meet
up.
It's
look
like
we
play
the
video
or
join
the
two
meeting
together
and
just
like
like
this,
but
some
some
guys
can
have
the
face-to-face
talk,
and
I
I
really
enjoy
the
breakout
session,
because
we
have
a
close
talk
and
exchange
a
lot
of
our
ideas
together
and.
G
Then
we
have
offline,
talk,
just
catch
up
and
exchange
a
lot
of
things,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
help
each
other
to
understand
to
to
know
better
about
each
other.
And
recently
I
I
I
just
talked
to
ada
and
I
found
out.
We
are
facing
the
same
program
and
we
we
are
talking
about
working
together
to
to
dial
some
issues
together
and
it's
like
a
joint
effort.
G
That
is
what
I
want
to
share
with
you
guys,
and
I
think
daniel
already
participates,
the
the
the
meetup
planning
on
the
the
in
the
source,
virtual
summit
planning.
I
think
he
he
may
have
another
suggestions
well
sure
share
with
us.
K
Yeah
sure
so
perhaps
in
addition
to
this,
something
that
was
useful
was
that
we
ran
even
a
week
before
a
meet
up
on
inner
source,
something
like
inner
source,
101,
more
introductory
and
training
oriented
and
then
during
the
inner
source
commands.
I
think
we
in
this
case
we
were.
We
tried
the
as
you
mentioned,
willem
hybrid
model,
so
some
people,
physically
their
attention
offices
and
some
people
are
virtual.
So
I
think
we
were
like
50
50
to
260
virtual
soon.
K
Then
there
were
another
25
people
there,
physically
attention
offices
and
then
even
by
tens
and
thanks
to
the
tencent
fox,
we
had
some
kind
of
streaming.
Video
where
we,
the
only
thing
we
know
is
that
we
have.
We
have
like
more
than
one
thousand
views.
We
don't
know
about
users
or
so
just
views,
I
think
it's
probably
around
100
or
so
in
total,
in
terms
of
people
joining
and
then
for
the
breakout
sessions
we
were.
We
tried
as
well
to
have
a
new
thing
this
this
time,
the
live
translations.
K
So
we
had
english
chinese
chinese
english
both
ways.
So
some
of
the
talks
were
in
chinese
and
tencent
again
brought
the
translators,
and
that
was
a
really
really
great
experience.
And
I
I
I
have
really
good
words
to
all
of
the
effort
by
well
willem
and
and
others
that
present
in
there
in.
I
K
A
So
I
have
a
question
for
william
and
for
daniel,
like
coming
from
these
conversations
with
respect
to
inner
source
and
the
relationship
to
the
work
that
we
do
in
the
chaos
project.
Are
there
things
that
we
should
kind
of
have
on
the
roadmap
for
2021?
Are
there
things
that
we
can
help
with
in
this
regard?
K
A
K
You
mean
more
in
the
sense
of
matrix
discussions.
Sorry
yeah,
just
the
content
that
came
out
of
the.
L
Meeting
as
well,
I
guess
most
of
people
because
they.
G
We
we
just
meet
first
time,
it's,
it's
look
like
we
need
to
know
each
other
to
to
talk
about
the
program
we
we
face.
So
I
think
the
the
coming
up-
chaos
meetup
just
to
bring
these
people
together
and
then
we
can
discuss
about
the
common
problem
we
face,
and
I
I
think,
with
this
meetup
we
we
may
come
up
some
ideas
and
then
we
can
cooperate
with
each
other
and
especially
for
a
chaos
board.
G
So
so
we
can
get
some
feedback
from
the
community
and
at
the
meantime
I
I
think
I
maybe
we
can
show
the
roadmap
of
the
chaos,
especially
we
have
for
working
group.
Each
work
group
had
a
lot
of
things
to
do
and
I
think
for
the
new
guys
they
remain
lost.
G
They
they
don't
know
which
one
they
will
join
so
so
I
I
I
guess,
maybe
those
that
someone
can
can
introduce
or
maybe
share
their
experience
so
to
give
the
the
audience
some
general
ideas
what's
going
on
on
the
chaos
at
the
meantime,
maybe
we
can
write
some
articles
or
or
just
publish
the
the
meetup
we
do
to
to
let
more
people
to
know
about
chaos
I
from
for
my
understanding,
I
think,
a
lot
of
people,
especially
the
osprey,
the
open
source
office,
people,
the
program
officer
that
they
they
should
be
very
interesting
about
that,
and
today
I
talked
to
ada
from
tencent
he
he
she
said
he
she
know
about
the
chaos,
but
he
didn't
have
time
to
really
go
through
it
and
and
okay-
I
I
I
just
saw-
saw
her
he
his
online
and
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
to
let
more
people
still
know
about
the
chaos
and
really
join
the
community
to
discuss
their
problems
and
share
the
solutions
together.
G
So
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
introduce
more
new
peoples
to
the
community
and
just
help
them
to
understand.
What's
going
on
here
and
what
you
can
get
from
the
community
and
what
you
can
contribute
back,
it
was
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
A
And
I
guess
I'll
add
to
that
when
the
meetup
happens,
you
know
in
this
in
december
or
later
in
december.
I
guess
it
is
december,
but
it's
only
11
days
away
but
like
as
you're
coming
up
with
ideas
like
think
about
ideas
and
and
ways
of
work
that
accommodate
how
you
wanna
work
too.
I
think
we
can
work
with
you
and
try
to
support
that
work
in
the
chaos
project.
A
So
I
guess
you
know
if
the
some
of
the
working
group
meetings,
for
example,
are
at
times
that
are
completely
inconvenient
for
for
people
in
china.
No
problem,
let's
talk
through
how
we
can
support
the
work
that
you
want
to
do
in
those
working
groups
and
ensure
that
you
have
a
voice
in
how
that
working
group
develops
so
don't
feel
limited
in
the
way
that
you
think
about,
but
contributing
and
participating.
A
E
Yeah
the
schedule
we
settled
for
now
is
china
standard
time
in
the
afternoon.
So
I
I
guess
it's
not
so
convenient
for
maybe
most
of
the
community
members
who
lived
in
north
america,
but
maybe
for
folks
who
who
are
located
in
europe.
Maybe
they
can
get
a
remote
connection
or
yeah
to
join
the
meetup.
L
G
Oh
by
the
way,
I
I
have
a
suggestion
because
some
guys
leaving
beijing
and
they
made
interesting
about
the
meetup.
So
if
we
can
provide
remote
access
for
for
that,
just
like
we
hold
our
two
meeting
and
they
join
us
just
like
like
this.
A
So,
with
respect
to
the
meetup
in
terms
of
your
question
willem
with
with
using
zoom
or
some
technology,
I
mean
I
don't
personally
see
any
problem
with
using
this
channel.
D
D
F
But
I
think
I
think
boom
we
can
use
the
zoom
this
this
this
this
results.
I
think
it's
convenient
for
us.
I
don't
know
how
about
the
I.
I
Don't
know
in
shanghai
what
we
can
use
can
you
can
you
comment
about
this?
This.
E
Shall
we
use
this
zoom
channel
for
live
broadcast
or
record
videos?
You
mean
for
live
forecast
for
other
community
members
to
join
the
channel
and
yeah.
I
think
that
works
yeah,
because
some
of
some
of
us
is
okay
using
zoom.
Maybe
I'm
not
sure
the
connection
will
be
stable,
but
I
think
we
can
figure
that
out.
I
think
this
works.
A
Okay,
what
time?
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
this
channel,
the
whatever
the
number
is
on
this
zoom
channel
could
work
for
supporting
the
live
broadcast,
which
is
great
elizabeth,
I'm
thinking
like
do.
We
need
to
give
any
permissions,
so
folks
have
the
ability
to
like
record-
and
you
know
what
I
mean
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
C
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
have
to
be
logged
in
under
chaos
community
to
record.
I
think
you
do,
but
I
can
absolutely
give
a
log
in
to
king
or
shoya
or
willem.
Whoever
wants
it
for
sure.
A
Okay,
okay,
okay,
and
I
think
that
would
also
help
just
in
terms
of
having
one
person
there,
who
is
a
kind
of
administrator
or
host
just
to
help
make
sure
that
things
go:
okay,
okay,
so
that
sounds
good
and
show
you
maybe
like
elizabeth.
You
could
share
the
the
host
stuff
just
so
they
could
give
a
practice
to
make
sure
that
they
can
log
in
by
themselves.
A
Does
anybody
else
have
comments
on
that?
All
right?
So
sean
had
pointed
out
with
respect
to
the
recordings,
so
all
of
our
recordings
at
the
moment
are
immediately
uploaded
to
to
youtube,
which
I
think
is
not
accessible
to
you.
Is
that
correct
in
china.
E
E
Ruse
had
ruth
had
had
sent
me
her
video
through
dropbox,
and
I
think
that
works
well.
So
I
think
any
any
cloud
disk
platform
or
yeah
as
long
as
we
can
it's
openly
accessible
and
we
can
download
the
video.
C
And
to
matt's
point
it's
it's
not
an
actual
automatic
process.
I
do
intervene
when
I,
when
we
record
these
meetings,
it
goes,
it
is
automatically
recorded
into
the
zoom,
our
zoom
account,
and
then
I
upload
it
to
youtube.
So
I
could
upload
it
to
any
other
platform
that,
like
dropbox
or
or
if
there's
another
video
website
that
you
would
prefer,
we
can
certainly
put
it
wherever
you
need
it.
So
the
recordings
from
the
from
the.
A
So
I
think
we're
talking
about
two
different
videos
here:
one
is
making
the
videos
that
are
pre-recorded
available
to
show
you
so,
for
example,
like
sean
is
gonna
pre-record,
a
video
with
respect
to
auger,
I
think
george,
aren't
you
recording
pre-recording
a
video
with
respect
to
gremore
lab
daniel,
maybe
with
respect
to
inner
source
commons,
I'm
running
through
my
memory.
So
we
need
to
make
those
available
to
show
you
ahead
of
time
and
I
think
any
sharing
tool
and
shoya
had
mentioned.
A
A
The
meetup
and
we'd
also
like
to
make
as
appropriate
the
recordings
that
occur
the
day
of
available
for
people
after
the
meetup
as
well,
because
I'm
suspecting
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
can't
attend
the
meetup
that
might
have
an
interest
in
the
conversation
that's
occurring
there
as
well.
So
so
one
is
for
folks
pre-recording.
I
think
just
pre-record
and
find
a
way
to
get
it
to
show.
You
sounds
like
dropbox
works
and
then
the
second
is
at
the
end
of
all
of
this.
A
G
But
we
have
another
video
platform
we
can
use
in
china
just
like
bdb
or
or
some
place
and
oh
by
the
way,
there's
nothing.
If
we
want
to
promote
chaos,
maybe
we
need
set
up
a
chinese
social
account.
It's
like
we
may
have
like
a
youtube
channel.
Maybe
the
you
can
just
like
a
chaos
channel
a
b2b
or
some
place.
D
I
F
A
Sounds
like
we
have
a
couple
options.
This
is
what
I
want
wheeler
tic-tac,
that's
that's
all
I'm
gonna
say,
and
maybe
we
do
after
the
after
the
meetup,
you
know
do
still
post
them
on
the
chaos
youtube
channel.
That's,
I
think,
that's
completely
fair,
but
then
we
also
post
the
videos
on
a
platform
to
sean's
point
that
is
more
accessible
to
folks
in
china
right
and
they
just
it'll.
A
A
I
only
read
the
beginning
about
dancing,
I'd
like
to
see
david
dance,
but
for
the
chaos
cons.
We
can
perhaps
do
something
quite
similar.
You
know
what
I
mean
where
we
post
the
chaos
con
under
whatever
kscon
eu,
and
then
we
also
post
it
so
that
folks
in
china
can
see
it
as
well.
So
all
right
cool.
E
So
maybe
we
just
set
up
some
set
up
some
social
accounts
on
behalf
of
chaos.
Chinese
social
medias,
like
like
video,
made
a
video
media,
bdbd
or
tick
tock,
and
we
had
way
more,
just
like
twitter
in
america,.
C
J
G
The
way
for
the
for
for
the
b2b,
you
may
need
a
chinese
number
phone
number
that
could
be
a
challenging
part.
A
D
D
G
Yeah
so
so
sometimes
we
may
need
to
use
the
personal
information
to
reject
account
for
for
that.
So
this
could
be.
A
L
A
We
can
make
progress
all
right.
Let's
see,
I'm
looking
at
the
minutes
at
this
point,
so
it
looks
like
there's
a
few
questions
with
respect
to
the
meetup
that
need
to
be
addressed.
A
A
F
So
sorry,
my
my
so
before
you
share
screen
can
okay
share
my
screen.
I
have
some
gift
to
show
you,
and
you
know
this
is
sorry.
This
is
the
only
only
one
of
the
gift
we
use
the
in
the
meetup
this
sticker.
You
can
stick
on
your
personal
computer
laptop
and
we
have
another
some
of
the
gift
present.
I
can
show
you,
okay,
I
will
show
my
screen
here.
F
I
can
see
it:
yeah:
okay,
okay,
okay,
okay,
here's
the
close.
We
have
made
a
100
100
clubs
here
is
the
logo.
Chaos.
You
can
the
background
the
white
background.
This
is
just
the
design,
the
design
design
image
the
ad
factor.
Is
it
don't
have
the
white
background
in
the
logo.
Here?
Okay,
we
have
yeah.
This
is
the
top
of
the
people.
This
is
the
the
total
summary
of
the
people
yeah.
We
have
made
it
a
hundred,
they
will
express,
they
will
deliver
to
the
shanghai
to
the
yeah,
to
the
media.
F
Yeah,
and
the
second
is
the
handbag.
You
can
see
it.
Okay,
this
this
two,
a
major
handbag.
We
have
make
a
every
handbag
fifty
handbags.
This
is
the
only
this.
I
allow
cows.
This
is
one
of
the
image
and
this
is
another.
You
can
see
the
chaos
from
the
from
the
letter.
F
You
can
see
the
shanghai
from
the
letter
and
you
can
see
huawei
from
the
letter
here.
This
is
yeah
yeah
this
this
we
we
we
created
from
the
netherlands,
the
great
museum,
the
yeah.
I
F
Okay,
here's
the
logo,
do
you
like
the
gift?
Do
you
like
the
gift?
I
assure
you
yes,
they're
amazing.
A
F
N
Thanks,
king
hello,
hello,
everyone,
this
is
ada
ada
from
tencent.
Today
is
my
first
time
to
join
this
meeting,
and
thanks
very
thanks
because
I
checked
the
meeting
minutes
I
found
out
king
is
from
huawei
right
because
william
williamstown
is
my
is
my
friend
we
meet
in
christmas
in
innocence
commons
in
shenzhen.
So
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thanks
willem
give
me
this
chance
to
meet
all
of
you
here
and
of
course,
first
of
all
I
will.
I
will
try
to
connect
with
king.
You
can
can.
N
Can
I
have
have
your
wechat
information,
then
I
will
give
my
delivery
address
to
you
because
I
live
in
china.
I
can't
have
this
gift
so.
N
So
I
would
like
to
stop
here
and
pass
the
the
visit
to
the
host,
because
I
may
I
may
need
to
more
time
to
catch
up
the
chaos.
The
many
minutes.
I
will
read
from
that.
First.
A
A
Conference,
so
I
guess
maybe,
instead
of
sharing
my
screen
and
talking
through
topics
what
shoya
or
king,
with
respect
to
the
meetup,
you
know,
what
do
you
need?
What
do
you
need
with
respect
to
help
at
this
point
right.
E
E
So
this
is
the
agenda
we
plan
for
now
and
because
we
are
going
to
receive
six
videos
and
we
may
have
six
keynotes
in
the
same
time,
in
shanghai
in
in-person
meeting
and
so
for
the
breakout
sessions
yeah.
I
I
I
want
to
ask
if
we
have
any
ideas
like
any
topics
we
can
discuss
in
the
breakout
sessions.
D
I
I
threw
a
few
in
there
that
have
been
popular
one
from
with
regards
to
inner
source,
because
that
seems
to
be
a
popular
topic
with
this
group.
Historically,
gremore
lab
and
or
auger
have
done
some
breakout
sessions,
but
that
would
require
obviously
someone
locally
on
the
ground
to
help
facilitate
that
either
of
those.
D
D
A
What
might
be
really
helpful
in
a
breakout
session
too,
for
me
is-
and
I
think
it
would
be
fairly
easy
to
run
either
by
you,
shaya
or
king
or
willem,
is
trying
to
understand
what
people's
goals
are
with
respect
to
community
health,
so
not
even
the
metrics
themselves.
But
what
are
people
hoping
to
accomplish
by
getting
a
better
understanding
of
community
health,
whether
it's
the
communities
that
that
they
are
managing
internally
or
it's
the
communities
that
they're
looking
at
externally?
A
I
think
this
would
have
a
lot
of
it
would
have
a
lot
of
interest
for
people
who
aren't
able
to
attend
the
meetup
as
well
understanding
what
people's
specific
goals
are
and
then
third
it.
It
follows
the
approach
that
we
use
in
the
chaos
project
for
developing
metrics,
which
is
this
goal,
question
metric
approach,
and
so
even
just
defining
those
goals
to
me
would
be
extremely
extremely
helpful.
O
I
would
want
to
plus
one
that
as
well,
and
I
think
maybe
this
is
a
I'm-
an
ignorant
u.s
employee.
So
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
visibility
into
what
you're
facing
in
your
local
markets,
but
even
just
talking
about
the
platform,
differences
and
hosting
the
conference.
O
I
know
within
chaos
a
lot
of
times
we're
talking
about
metrics
and
data
collection
in
the
context
of
platforms
that
we
use
regularly.
I
think
gitlab,
but
I'd
be
curious
to
know
if
there
are
other
popular
platforms
that
are
being
used
in
other
local
communities
and
other
countries
that
can
help
expand
the
way
that
we
think
about
where
the
data
is
coming
from
and
the
kinds
of
platforms
that
our
metrics
and
suggestions
need
to
be
applicable.
O
For
so
I
think
we
are
so
focused
on
what
we
know
here,
that
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
hear
what
tools
are
being
used
in
other
markets
and
how
we
can
make
our
metrics
story
and
process
more
accessible
to
other
methods
and
platforms.
A
E
A
F
F
The
yellow
background
is
a
video
and
the
white
background
is
for
the
chinese
guys
to
impersonal
in
person
and
to
share
what's
what
they?
What
what?
What
about
the
house
and
here's
to
the
breakout
section?
It's
the
last
30
minutes,
yeah
and
okay.
We
lasted
two
20
minutes
for
all
together,
discussion.
F
P
If
we
only
have
a
minute
left,
can
I
jump
in
real,
quick,
of
course,
okay?
I
was
wondering
what
your
web
presence
is
going
to
be
for
this
conference
and
then
additionally,
do
you
want
the
chaos
website
to
host
this
information
so
generally,
for
I
know
this:
isn't
a
chaos
con,
but
for
the
for
the
chaos
cons
each
event
has
its
own
web
page.
P
Here's
an
example
for
the
chaos
con
europe
that
we
usually
do
try
that
last.
E
Let
me
find
the
website
we
used
to.
That
is
mostly
for
the
regis
registrations.
I
think
king
have
sent
that
to
the
mailing
list,
but
I
have
no
problem
with
hosting
the
information
on
chaos
website.
P
So
there
will
be
a
a
little
bit
of
a
design
design
consideration
so
we'll
have
to
decide
what
information
we
want
to
have
on
there
and
what
we
want
the
website
to
look
like.
We
could
follow
that.
The
the
example
of
the
the
european
chaos
con
that
I
sent
or
we
can.
We
can
create
something
kind
of
new,
because
this,
as
I
said,
this,
isn't
a
cast
on
the
the
agenda
and
the
structure
of
the
event
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different.
P
G
I
think
for
the
meet
up.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
there,
so
maybe
a
simple,
simple
one.
A
A
A
I
was
just
going
to
say
with
respect
to
the
breakout
sessions,
if
you
I'm
not
sure
who's
going
to
run
them,
but
king
or
willem
or
shoya,
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you
to
just
talk
about
like
maybe
how
to
structure
a
breakout
session,
at
least
ones
that
we've
done
in
the
past.
That
might
be
different
with
your
audience,
but
just
how
to
encourage
conversation,
how
to
capture
information,
how
to
present
that
information
back
if
you've
never
run
one
before
but
happy
to
work
through
that
as
well.
G
Oh,
but
by
the
way
it
it
looks
like
we
don't,
this
is
the
last
meeting
before
the
meet
up.
So
if
we
want
to
go
through
something
so
discussing
about
the
agenda
of
the
meeting,
how
can
we
do
it?
Maybe
we
can
schedule.
O
I
would
also
say
for
for
discussion
sessions
if
you're
looking
for
more
seed
questions.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
help
with
offline
too.
So
if
you
have
a
topic
and
you're
just
interested
in
terms
of
trying
to
provoke
additional
discussion,
I
mean
I
can
help
to
suggest
a
few
questions
or
discussion
prompts.
O
So
if
you
decide
what
you
want
to
discuss
in
the
breakouts
and
then
resubmit
out
to
the
list
and
just
ask
for
some
feedback
on
how
to
how
to
expand
it,
if
you're
looking
for
support,
if
not
no
worries,
but
just
that's
one
way
that
we
can
help
help
build
out
some
of
those
session
agendas
for
your
conversations.
A
Yes
well,
thank
you
everybody.
This
is
great
happy.
This
is
moving
forward,
so
yeah,
so
additional
discussions
if
we
need
to
have
them
out
of
band
no
problem
there
or
on
the
list
to
sophia's
point,
also
have
discussions
that
way
as
well.
All
right!
Well,
thanks
everybody
good
to
see
you
all
until
next
time.