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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call 4-20-21
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B
Thank
you,
sean
hi.
Everyone
welcome
to
the
april
20th
version
of
the
weekly
community
call
for
chaos.
I
will
drop
the
minutes
in
here
one
more
time,
just
in
case
anybody
needs
them.
B
Please
do
us
all
a
favor
and
add
your
name
to
the
list
of
attendees
if
you
like-
and
I
changed
the
top
thing
to
say
just
one
good
thing
going
on
in
your
life
recently,
if
you
want
to
share
something
good
just
because
there's
bad
stuff
happening,
so
we
just
want
to-
I
don't
know,
have
something
good
to
focus
on
for
today,
so
just
for
today
feel
free
to
share
with
everybody.
In
the
minutes
there
we'd
love
to
see
what's
happening
in
your
world
yeah.
B
So
let's
go
ahead
and
jump
on
in
to
the
agenda.
The
very
first
thing
that
we
just
wanted
to
bring
up
is,
I
don't
think
matt
is
here,
because
I
think
he
has
class
right
now.
So
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
mention
that
he
has
released
the
dni
badging
team
has
released
version,
2.0
they're,
calling
it
they
put
a
link
in
here
to
the
the
release.
B
You
can
see
what
was
changed
in
that
version
and
they
went
ahead
and
tagged
it
just
to
make
it
official
so
and
then
you
can
also
see
there
what
matt
and
the
team
are
working
on
for
next
time,
and
this
was
the
very
first
kind
of
iteration
of
that
and
since
the
original
inception
this
was
the
very
first
iteration.
So
it's
really
exciting
to
take
stuff
that
they
had
learned
and
and
put
it
into
practice.
So
congratulations
to
matt
and
the
team.
B
Even
though
he's
not
here,
you
guys
are
doing
a
fantastic
job.
So
does
anyone
have
questions
on
that.
C
Maybe
I'll
just
make
a
comment.
I
think
some
of
this
also
some
of
the
version
two
came
about
as
we
as
reviewers
and
the
review
team
learn
kind
of
the
questions
that
can
be
asked,
so
we
were
having
some
challenges
around
demographics
in
the
posting
of
demographics,
just
like
asking
an
event
whether
or
not
they've
posted
demographics.
So
obviously
there's
some
challenges
inside
of
there.
So
we're
learning
as
we're
going
to.
D
I
would
be
interested
to
hear
what
you've
learned,
maybe
not
in
this
forum,
but
there's
a
better
place
for
it,
but
just
knowing
that
there
are
different
kinds
of
approaches
and
place
policies
per
community
per
foundation.
However,
you
want
to
draw
the
line,
and
I
think
it's
just.
I
would
love
to
better
understand
where
the
nuances
are.
I'm
just.
D
I
think
there
there
isn't
necessarily
a
standard
approach
to
doing
these
sorts
of
things,
either
an
ethical
practice
or
just
generally,
what
is
the
best
way
to
better
understand
the
demographics
of
your
population
in
in
the
open
source
context.
So
I
would
love
to
hear
more
about
what
you've
learned
from
that
experience.
C
I
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
and
think
no
seems
like
a
reasonable
place
to
do
it.
So
the
question
that
we
were
getting
kind
of,
very
particularly
on
the
reviews,
was
the
displaying
of
demographic
information,
so
we
were
asking
the
events
to
provide
a
link
to
how
their
demographic
information
was
displayed,
but
the
challenge,
obviously
for
some
of
the
events
is
they
they
don't
have
it
yet
so.
C
Kind
of
having
a
funny
spot
asking
for
something
that
wasn't
provided,
so
we
had
to
work
through
that
just
a
tiny
bit,
and
then
I
think
some
kind
of
out-of-band
things
that
started
coming
up
with
was
was
obviously
around
like
things
like
gdpr
and
then
the
subsequent
demographic
related
questions
that
can
be
asked.
So
maybe
doing
declarations
of
these
are
all
opt-in,
questions
right
and
some
declaration
that
needs
to
be
made
on
the
website.
So
I
think
those
were
kind
of
the
two
things
that
I
had
seen
through
this
review
process.
C
So
one
was
the
display
of
the
demographics.
We
were
a
little
bit
ahead
of
their
ability
to
answer
that
question.
What
we
were
looking
for
was
something
they
couldn't
necessarily
provide
at
the
moment
and
then
probably
being
more
explicit
about
how
that
information
is
being
collected.
D
Maybe
harder
for
discussion,
but
I'd
also
be
curious
in
terms
of
granularity
that
people
were
willing
to
go
to
like
what
because
like
if
at
a
certain
point,
you
want
to
know
more
and
more,
but
if
that
a
certain
point
you
cross
the
line,
people
don't
want
to
share
that
or
they
don't
want
to
post
that
information,
then
there's
sort
of
a
middle
ground
between
how
specific
can
we
get
with
some
of
these
questions,
and
so
I
feel
like
knowing
what
levels
are
appropriate
would
also
be
interesting
to
note
from
this
experience.
C
So
that's
a
that
is
actually
that's
a
another
really
good
point.
So
we
haven't
had
the
discussion
as
to
like
what
is
too
broad
and
what
is
too
granular
like
what
that
that
kind
of
sweet
spot
is,
but
there
have
been
discussions
around
like
if
you're
asking
questions
about
say
gender,
like
what
is
the
the
follow-up
questions
that
people
can
provide
information
on
and
that's
not
totally
consistent,
yet
across
all
of
the
across
all
of
the
applications.
C
D
I
mean,
I
think
it
also
helps
us
give
guidelines
too,
or
you
want
to
learn
more.
But
if
you
ask
too
much,
then
you
run
the
risk
that
this
entirely
gets
shut
down
or
just
like
not
participated
in
because
it's
too
invasive
and
I
we
don't
want
to
be
too
invasive,
but
we
just
want
to
learn
so
I
think,
there's
always
some
kind
of
middle
ground.
That's
appropriate.
C
Actually,
I
like
that,
because
right
now
the
recommendations
around
this
area
they're
a
little
bit-
I
think
ad
hoc
reviewer
by
reviewer
in
terms
of
what
the
recommendations
are
in
this
process
and
it
might
make
sense
in
the
badging
group
to
kind
of
come
up
with
something.
That's
a
bit
more
consistent.
That
could
be
pointed
to
within
the
chaos
community,
to
recommend
to
applicants
and
it'll
be
a
little
bit
of
a
guess.
B
Fair
enough,
all
right
any
other
questions
on
the
badging
stuff.
C
C
We
were
also
able
to
talk
about
a
few
things
that
say
they
are
doing
that
we
are
not
necessarily
asking
so.
It
also
gave
some
really
good
ideas
as
to
some
metrics
that
we
might
want
to
think
about
with
respect
to
asking
other
events,
and
so
those
things
are
like
explicit
sessions
around
dei
events
within
a
conference
that
bring
together
diverse
attendees.
C
Sorry,
not
every
event
is
as
well
resourced
as
other
events,
so
you
know
to
ask
every
event
say
for
like
a
daycare
on
site,
you
know
like
family
friendliness
and
that
could
be
an
indication
of
being
family
friendly
right.
Not
every
event
can
do
that,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
conscious
of
this
as
well
that
certain
events
are
just
better
resourced
than
others,
and
can
so.
I
don't
know
how
that
fits
with
with
what
we're
doing
so
anyway.
B
B
Okay,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on,
we
do
have
other
stuff
on
the
list
and
the
next
one
is
something
that
I
actually
put
on
there.
It's
just
been
kind
of
rattling
around
in
my
brain
that
you
know
when
we
are
talking
about
things
like
community
reports
and
things
and
ways
we
can
serve
our
community
and
our
users,
it
you
know.
B
Sometimes
it
feels
like
we're
kind
of
just
taking
stabs
in
the
dark
and
we're
not
super
sure
what
exactly
would
be
the
best
way
to
help
our
community,
our
users.
So
I
thought
you
know
we
could
do
a
survey,
but
that
seems
pretty
heavy-handed
and
I
I
was
thinking
I
just
want
to
get
everyone's
opinion
on.
What
do
you
think
about
just
doing
a
super
lightweight
twitter
poll
of
like
hey?
How
can
we
best
serve
you
like
what?
B
What
is
what
is
top
of
mind
for
you,
something
like
that
and
maybe
directed
to
different
segments
of
our
community
and
have
a
little
bit
of
different
answers.
I
know
twitter
polls
are
not
the
best
but
they're,
not
technically
amazing.
As
far
as
you
know,
like
data
collection
goes,
but
just
looking
for
some
kind
of
or
if
there's
other
suggestions
on
how
we
could
get
this
information
and
get
some
feedback,
I'm
just
in
a
super
lightweight
way.
So
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there.
What
do
you
all
think.
E
E
I
guess
the
second
part
that
you
already
put
out
there
things
I
need
help
with
my
open
source
community,
the
sort
of
development
my
community
needs
and
keeping
and
staying
light
on
the
chaos
part
of
that
I've
had
pretty
good
experiences
with
twitter
polls,
but
they
need
to
be
short
and
the
differences
need
to
be
really
clear,
and
in
my
experience
you
know
the
answer
is
within
about
20
or
30
people
you.
It
takes
very
little
data
to
get
meaningful
results.
C
C
C
This
is,
in
the
meetings
item
number.
E
G
Yeah,
in
terms
of
a
I
mean,
I
I
find
that
google
forms
is
probably
a
good
one.
To
use
data
collection
is
easier.
I
mean
twitter
poll,
I
mean
we
can.
We
can
still
tweet
it
like
go
to
this
link
to
fill
out
a
survey,
but
I
mean
I
haven't
really
done
a
poll
on
twitter,
but
I
found
google
form
to
be
pretty
pretty
easy
to
set
up
data
collections
easier
and
then
it's
relatively
easy
for
people
to
fill
it
out.
G
F
I
think
the
bigger
issue
is:
is
this
a
chaos
poll,
or
is
this
a
something
else,
because
the
is
the
first
half
first,
the
second
half
of
the
question
is
a
totally
different
animal
totally
different
thing
is
this
for
chaos?
That's
that's
what
I
thought
that's
what
it
should
be.
If
it's
not,
then
it's
not
really
worth
doing
a
poll.
What
does
the
open
source
community
need?
That's
not
what
I
think
this
should
be
about.
That's
a
survey,
that's
a
totally
different
thing.
Why
do
we?
F
A
F
B
B
To
your
point,
sean
sorry
lawrence.
I
think
that
is
a
valid
question.
That's
actually
different
than
what
I
was
thinking
of
when
I
was
thinking
of
as
just
like.
How
can
we
help
them
use
the
metrics
we
already
have
and
not
not
necessarily
new
metrics,
but
I
think
that
is
actually
awesome.
An
awesome
idea
too,
like
I
think
we
do
need
to
survey
and
figure
out
like
what
metrics
are
we
not
measuring
or
what
have
what
we
thought
of
yet.
But
in
this
particular
case
I
was
just
looking
to
see
like
what.
B
How
can
we
best
help
our
community,
our
users,
get
to
the
information,
use
the
information
like
what?
How
can
we
help
them?
How
can
we,
you
know,
satisfy
our
customers
if
they
were
customers?
Does
that
make
sense.
C
What
I
see
in
I
through
vi
is
kind
of
it
looks
like
you're
asking
questions
about
the
process
so
because,
like
help
me
gather
data
about
my
community
first,
I
need
to
collect
the
data.
Help
me
understand.
The
data
that
I
have
collected
help
me
answer.
Questions
from
that
data
help
me
use
that
data
to
grow.
My
community,
like
it
sort
of,
seems
like
it's
a
series
of
steps
that
people
might
be
having
problems
with.
B
Yeah
it's
more
of
like
what
deliverable
can
we
provide
that
will
help
them
along
their
journey
so
like
if
they're
having,
if
they're
having
trouble
collecting
the
data,
then,
okay,
let's
make
some
more
guides
about
how
to
use
auger,
how
to
use
gremore
lab
how
to
get
that
data
out
if
they're
having
trouble
like
understanding,
they
have
no
problem
getting
the
data,
but
they
just
don't
really
know
what
to
do
with
it.
Then,
let's
provide
more
guides
or
some
you
know,
tools
on
like
actually
analyzing
the
data
and
how
it
applies.
B
So
things
like
that,
I'm
just
I
feel
like
we
don't
really
have
a
good
feel
for
where
their
their
pain
points
are
and
where
they're
struggling
and
how
we
can
like
make
that
make
the
whole
use
of
metrics
no
matter
what
piece
of
it
make
it
just
easier
for
them
to
to
digest.
Yeah.
E
To
use,
I
think
that
I
really
like
the
direction
of
the
research
and
I
like
the
sort
of
data
oriented
way
of
doing
prioritization
and
understanding
what
to
focus
on.
And
I
want
to
put
an
idea
out
there
as
one
possible
alternative
just
one,
and
that
is
user
interviews,
that
in
a
relatively
unstructured
format.
But
where
these
are
the
topics
of
the
interview.
C
Would
that
not
like,
I
think,
part,
of
what
elizabeth
what
the
goal
was
here
is
with
a
twitter
poll.
It's
just
like
it
takes
like
a
second
to
send
it
out
and
just
to
get
some
orientation.
So
this
is
not.
C
I
don't
think
this
is
an
extremely
scientific
study,
but
let's
just
start
with
the
sampling
yeah.
I
think
it's
just
to
get
some
some
bearings
and
then
to
your
point
lucas
I
mean
some
more
detailed
interview.
Questions
could
really
reveal
some.
You
know
like
if
the
answer
is
help
me
gather
data
about
my
community.
That's
a
pretty
broad
answer
right,
but
an
interview
could
help
really
reveal
like
what
the
challenge
is
in
this
particular
spot,
and
so
maybe
this
could
even
orient
for
the
a
deeper
dive
on
one
particular
area.
C
B
C
D
D
It
might
also,
if
we
are
going
to
do
this,
it
would
behoove
us
to
provide
an
option
for
a
follow-up,
or
I
think,
kind
of
connecting
the
back
channel
conversation
with
this
one,
if
not
we're
not
really
sure
who
to
reach
out
to,
because
we
don't
have
a
great
visibility
on
our
users
or
people
that
are
new
to
the
project
or
trying
to
use
the
project
as
a
new
user.
So
the.
E
D
F
F
We
can
get
one
objective
of
getting
a
quick
result
and
another
way
to
get
feedback
from
a
larger
community
that
we
can
email
to
people
for
all
the
people
who
are
using
mastodon
that
don't
use
twitter,
etc,
etc.
And
we
look
really
good
to
be
able
to
go
to
that
larger
community
that
our
anti-twitter,
for
example,.
C
B
H
I
H
I
We
are
we
in
a
position
to
provide
understanding
and
interpretation
of
data
from
these
projects,
so
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
seem
like
something:
we've
we've
done
a
lot
of
in
the
past
and
we
we
define
metrics
and
we
figure
out
ways
to
collect
metrics,
but
interpretation
and
understanding
those
metrics
in
context.
We
usually
leave
up
to
the
the
projects
right.
A
B
I
mean
I,
I
think
I
would
just
be
interested
to
know
like.
If
that's
the
piece
that's
missing,
then
maybe
that's
something
we
help
like.
I
don't
know,
maybe
that's
something
we
look
at.
I
don't
know
that's
at
least
I
just
really
want
to
know
where
their
stumbling
blocks
are.
So,
if
that's
a
stumbling
block
then
I
would
be
interested
in
that.
I
Maybe
maybe
to
lucas's
point
earlier:
we,
we
kind
of
tweaked
these
questions
a
little
bit
so
that
the
healthy
part
isn't
in
there,
because
the
it
does.
The
the
implication
for
me
is
that
we
can.
We
can
help
them
with
that,
even
though
we're
just
asking
you
know
what
are
you
interested
in?
So
if,
if,
if
gathering
data
in
the
community
is
their
pain,
point
I'd
like
to
know
that
without
without
implying
that
we
could
help
them
with
that,
for
example,
does
that
make
sense
yeah
it.
B
Okay,
well,
it
sounds
like
there's
no
reason
not
to
do
this
so
it'll
be
curious
to
see
what
we
get
and
if
you're
following
chaos
on
twitter,
you
can
retweet
it
you
may
hopefully
I
don't
mess
it
up.
So
hopefully
it's
it's
like
right.
When
I,
when
I
do
it
so
yeah
just
keep
an
eye
out
on
the
chaos
twitter
and
if
you
see
something
messed
up,
let
me
know
tweet
at
me,
elizabeth
n
and
I
will
fix
it.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
input.
That
was
greatly
appreciated.
B
C
Would
like
to
appreciate
it.
One
comment
on
a
chat
that
lauren
her
message
that
lawrence
put
into
the
chat
lawrence.
This
point
is
super
well
taken
the,
and
this
is
actually
I
kind
of
forget
when
we
talked
about
this,
maybe
in
last
week's
community
call
to
just
about
like
the
audience,
I
think
a
lot
of
times
in
the
chaos
project.
We
do
kind
of
communicate
with
organizations
who
are
pretty
well
along
in
in
the
I.t
space
and
thinking
about
engaging
with
open
source
and
what
that
means
for
their
organization.
C
I
do
think
there
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
organizations
that
are
very
new
to
the
open
source
environment
just
period
and
trying
to.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
your
point,
but
I
I
do
think,
there's
kind
of
a
whole
range
of
different
organizations
that
that
could
think
about
community
health
and
and
where
they
are
kind
of
in
their
own
learning
journey
about
open
source
is
highly
variable
and
that
could
have
an
impact
on
on
how
they
think
about
community
health.
C
B
B
Okay
again,
thank
you!
Everyone
we
will
go
ahead
and
move
on.
We've
got
about
20
minutes
left,
so
the
next
one
is.
Oh.
I
put
this
one
in
here
too,
so
I
just
want
to
apologize
because
I
did
not
get
the
newsletter
out
yesterday.
It
will
go
out
today.
So
sorry,
I
know
you're
all
just
waiting
at
your
inboxes
for
the
newsletter,
so
you're
going
to
have
to
wait
a
little
longer
because
I
didn't
do
it.
So
I'm
so
sorry
about
that.
B
I
have
no
excuse,
except
for
I
just
didn't
get
it
done.
So
sorry,
okay,
so
we're
moving
along
quickly
to
the
google
season
of
docs.
Sadly,
chaos
was
not
selected
this
year,
but
we
will
try
again
next
year
and
hopefully
get
in.
So
any
other
comments
on
that
matt
g.
I
think
you'd
probably
drop
that
in
there,
but.
C
B
Yeah
and
I
think
that
absolutely
had
value
in
just
us-
you
know
kind
of
looking
at,
like
you
said,
nailing
down
some
of
the
areas
that
we
want
to
focus
on
now
and
in
the
future.
So
it
was
absolutely
not
wasted
time
at
all.
It
was.
It
was
a
good,
a
good
exercise,
so
we'll
try
next
year.
A
B
C
We
then
go
back
into
the
system
and
put
our
request
in
for
the
number
of
slots
that
we
would
like,
and
then
we
allocated
the
slots
and
then
you
know
if
we
ask
for
four
and
four
are
allocated,
then
it's
a
pretty
easy
one-to-one
mapping.
But
if
it's
we
request
four
and
two
are
allocated,
there's
a
little
bit
more
discussion
that
needs
to
be
done.
Yeah
on
our
end,
correct.
B
Word
up
we
will
move
along
there
is,
there
will
be
a
chaos
board
meeting.
I
think
it's
on
may
4th,
if
I
recall,
is
that
right.
A
G
A
B
And
nicole
had
to
drop
so
we
can
double
check.
I
think
I
think
it's
been
scheduled.
C
B
B
J
C
Yeah,
so,
okay,
so
just
so
people
know
we
had
talked
about
this
about
I'm
gonna
just
paste
it
in
here.
C
Well,
sophia,
maybe
the
structure
will
make
yours
actually
closer
to
being
done,
because
there's
not
a
lot,
there's,
not
a
ton
in
here,
so
I'm
just
all
that
I
was
trying
to
do
here
is
that
you
have.
You
know
you'd
like
to
understand
something
about
inclusiveness
with
the
community
that
you're
considering
interacting
with,
and
then
I
just
went
out
to
the
chaos
like
the
metrics
page.
You
know
that
we
have
that
lists.
C
C
D
C
So
the
so
in
the
so
maybe
this
is
what
you're
talking
about.
So
when
we
have
the
big
chaos
metrics
list,
we
have
it's
chaos,
dot,
community,
slash,
metrics
right
and
we
just
have
a
big
list
of
maybe
65
metrics
and
sometimes
those
metrics
can
be
pretty
overwhelming
to
people
just
because
they're
kind
of
one-off
metrics,
they're
they're
focused
they're
organized
by
focus
areas.
But
the
idea
here
is
that
we
could
begin
to
draw
the
metrics
together
in
a
meaningful
way.
C
C
D
Yeah,
I'm
just
gonna
think
how
best
to
interject
it
without
the
railing,
where
it's
going
more.
I
guess
I'm
thinking
about
in
the
risk
working
group.
There
was
one
one
of
our
early
dependency
discussions.
We
outlined
all
the
different
kinds
of
rules
and
how
they,
how
this
information
was
important
to
them,
and
maybe
that's
too
comprehensive
for
something
like
this,
but
I
feel
like
we
had
a
couple
of
like
very
actionable
connections
between.
E
D
Someone
who
say
works
at
a
company
is
needs
to
know
about
clients,
licensing
and
compliance,
so
you
don't
get
sued
like
there's
a
very
strong
connection
between
monitoring
something
like
this
and
you
successfully
functioning
in
your
role,
yeah
yeah,
just
saying,
like
general
user
story,
I
think
what
we
had
outlined
in
terms
of
different
kinds
of
users
and
how
subsets
of
those
metrics
were
more
or
less
applicable
to
those
kinds
of
users
and
decision
makers
like
there
was
an
interesting
one
about
funding
and
those
that
are
trying
to
better
understand
which
projects
to
fund.
D
My
might
look
from
a
different
angle
in
terms
of
say,
project,
interdependencies
and
overlaps.
Where
are
the
concentrations
of
dependencies
happening
in
inside
ecosystems
or
inside
groups
of
projects
that
they
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
funding
and
supporting
because
a
lot
of
people
use
them
or
things
like
that,
where
the
same
metrics
are
now
not
as
they
flipped
but
their
the
context
around
them
has
changed.
D
And
so
I
think
if
the
goal
is
to
help
people
understand
how
to
apply
context
to
the
metrics
that
we
have,
then
I
think
showing
examples
of
those
connections
between
how
this
can
apply
to
different
roles,
functions
and
goals.
Then
I
ideally
it
kind
of
will
help
the
light
bulb,
turn
on
or
at
least
help
people
think
about
how
not
that
everything
in
this
list
is
going
to
be
applicable
to
them,
but
some
things
might
be
for
whatever
they're
trying
to
achieve.
I
I
I
think
user
stories
and
use
cases
are
are
incredibly
helpful,
but
but
I
don't
necessarily,
this
doesn't
feel
like
a
user
story
or
a
use
case.
This
feels
more
like
kind
of
categorization
of
metrics
that
can
help
solve
a
general
area
of
concern
or
or
give
information
on
a
general
area.
I
So
it's
not
it's
not
so
much
a
user
story
or
use
case
more
more
of
a
categorization
which
yeah
I
like,
because
what
we
need
that
for
the
the
metrics,
because,
right
now
we
just
we
just
look
at
them
by
working
group,
but
the
I
think
I
get
caught
up
on
the
the
user
story.
Part
because
this
doesn't
feel
like
a
user
story.
D
Maybe
we
should
start
with
the
end
user
and
see
how
they're
pulling
these
things
together,
because
I
think
having
those
kinds
of
stories
can
be
very
powerful
and
provide
guidance
for
others
that
are
just
doing
similar
things.
But
I
think,
ideally,
that's
going
to
yield
some
natural
grouping
and
organization
that
can
be
applied
to
how
people
view
the
website
like
say,
I'm
a
community
lead-
and
these
are
things
I'm
in
like
are
important
to
me
and
then
that
will
filter
for
them.
D
What
metrics,
we
think
are
most
relevant
to
that
use
case
where
right
now
again,
because
it's
organized
by
working
group-
that's
less
intuitive.
If
you
don't
really
know
why
these
things
are
grouped.
That
way,
like
it's
grouped
around
the
function
of
our
project,
not
the
function
and
goals
of
a
person.
F
I,
the
biggest
my
biggest
issue
is
that
again
it's
the
people,
the
use
case.
They
don't
know
what
the
use
case
is.
The
majority
of
people
who
that
we
think
that's
going
to
benefit
are
people
who
don't
really
know
what
they
really
want.
Need
they
it's
they're,
not
aware
of
what
they're
actually
going
to
need.
You
have
to
educate
them
in
some
ways
and
the
example
is
in
terms
of
like
in
use
case.
That's
not
that
we
don't
usually
don't
care
about.
F
It's
the
investors
that
keep
on
trying
to
create
indexes
of
what
the
most
popular
projects
are,
and
every
time
I'm
like,
I
just
we
just
created
this
awesome
index
of
the
most
popular
projects
and
what's
which
companies
are
going
to
benefit,
I'm
like
why
you
just
do.
Why
did
you
just
redo
the
what
we
try
to
recreate
the
wheel?
We've
been
doing
this
for
10
years
already?
Why
don't
you
look
at
xyz?
F
C
That
so
I'm
we
had
we've
kind
of
had
this
discussion.
I
think
in
a
variety
of
ways.
I
am
certainly
not
like
in
love
with
the
term
user
story
or
use
case,
I
mean
I'm
open
to
to
anything.
That
is
a
better
title.
I
don't
particularly
care.
That's
fine!
C
I
guess
mine
was
just
kind
of
the
heart
of
the
abc
here
right,
just
trying
to
orient
people
as
to
to
what
might
be
helpful,
the
beginning,
the
middle,
the
end
again,
a
story
could
be
wrong
here,
but
so
I
don't
if
you,
if
you
have
some
creative
thought
on
what
we
could
call
these,
that
would
be
cool
they're,
almost
metric,
consuming
contexts.
C
A
B
I
I
really
like,
whatever
we
end
up
deciding
to
call
these.
I
really
like
the
idea
of
here's
the
thing
that
this
person,
whoever
they
are
they
could
be.
Anyone
wants
to
try
to
understand
because,
like
for
the
for
the
initial
one
here,
the
inclusiveness
metric,
for
instance,
you're,
trying
to
understand
the
inclusiveness
of
a
community
that
you're
considering
interacting
with
so
either
you're
a
contributor
or
you're
a
company
or
you're.
You
know
an
a
maintainer,
maybe
the
maintainer
wants
to
understand
the
inclusiveness
of
their
own
company.
B
You
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
care
about
this.
This
thing
this
context,
and
so
I
like
the
way
that
we
just
kind
of
have
the
question
or
have
the
the
goal
or
what.
However,
we
want
to
say
it
and
then
there's
like
here's
the
regardless
of
what
you
working
group
there
and
here
the
metrics
we
care
about-
and
this
is
what
you'll
get
at
the
end
of
this.
So
it's
it's.
It
is
like
a
story,
but
like
it
yeah,
I
don't
know.
B
I
I
think
I
think,
organizing
organizing
and
displaying
the
metrics
in
this
way
also
provide
a
platform
for
future
work
where
we
actually
could
build
user
stories
and
interview
community
managers
on
these.
On
these
lists,
for
example,
we
could
we
can
point
them
at
these.
Are
the
inclusiveness
metrics
that
we
that
we've
identified?
I
What
do
these
metrics
mean
to
you?
How
do
you
use
them?
You
know
what
do
they
tell
you
about
your
project,
so
it
would.
It
creates
a
platform
where
we
can
then
go
and
create
these
more
in-depth
user
stories,
and
we
can
also
interview
and
and
talk
to
people
using
them
and
and
find
out
how
they're
being
used
in
in
context.
So
it's
it's
a
great
beginning
platform,
so
I
I
like
it
whatever
it's
called.
H
E
H
C
Yeah-
and
I
don't
so-
I
point
well
taken-
we
don't
have
metrics
around
that
right
now,
but
that
would
certainly
be
something
that
we
could
move
work
on
and
have
them
then
be
included
in
these
metric
consuming
contexts.
B
We
are
about
at
time,
so
if
you
have
other
thoughts
on
this
marinate
them
until
next
week
or
email,
all
of
them
to
matt
g,
because
he
will
take
all
of
them
anyway.
I
hope
you
all
have
an
okay
day,
and
we
will
see
you
next
week.
B
C
H
A
F
The
everything
running
one
of
them
I
mean
I
know
york-
does
all
the
stuff
but
you're.
I
I'll
talk
to
you
soon.
Yeah
yeah
staying
here
lawrence,
I'm
looking
forward
to
talking
soon
bye.