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CHAOSS.Community.June.16.2020
A
Go
ahead
and
start
the
recording
welcome
everybody.
This
is
the
KSR
community
called
weekly
community
call
so
open
to
things
that
people
want
to
bring
up.
I
always
have
an
agenda
of
things
that
I
don't
mind
talking
about,
and
so
for
those
of
you
that
are
also
kind
of
new
to
the
call
or
returning
to
the
call
from
looking
at
you
John,
it's
good
to
see
you
again,
I
just
like
to
introduce
Elizabeth
Barron
she's,
the
new
chaos
community
manager,
so
she's
gonna,
be
she
just
joined
us
last
week.
A
A
C
A
A
B
Taking
a
position,
a
public
position
on
the
ethics
and
use
of
personally
identifiable
information
is
appropriate.
I
think
our
metrics,
by
their
definition,
do
not
compel
people
to
use
PII
in
distribution
of
the
metrics.
I.
Think
tools
hold
the
potential
to
do
that,
and
it's
only
when
somebody
uses
a
tool
for
public
facing
output.
That
includes
PII
where
it
becomes
an
issue
and
I
think
we
should
just
take
the
position
that
we
are
aligned
with
gdpr.
But
you
know
it's:
it's
used
these
these.
B
E
C
Think
if,
if
I'm
recall,
if
I
was
a
part
of
that
that
conversation
which
I
think
I
was
I,
think
part
of
the
concern.
Where
was
that,
just
by
a
project
using
the
metrics,
we
would
we
were
afraid
that
maybe
some
people
would
be
concerned
about
that
and
not
want
to
participate
in
the
community.
So
it
would
actually
have
like
the
opposite
effect
of
help
things
that
project
be
healthy.
C
F
Is
it
within
at
all
kind
of
Chaos's,
I
guess
scope
to
ask
managers
we're
looking
at
this
kind
of
data?
You
only
use
it
in
certain
ways.
I
know
there's
nothing.
You
could
force
them
to
do,
but
I'll
give
you
an
example.
B
Think
we
could
I
think
we
could
say
that
if
you're
going
to
state
that
these
are
chaos,
metrics
that
there's
a
code
of
conduct
or
a
code
of
ethics
that
need
to
be
followed
yeah,
you
can.
We
can
measure
some
of
this
stuff,
but
if
you
want
to
say
that
these
are
KS
metrics,
you
have
to
follow
our
ethical
standards.
A
F
B
I
think
there
might
be
a
good
framework
using
that
yeah.
You
can't
say
it's
a
cache
metric.
If
you
don't
abide
by
I
mean
I,
think
saying
it's.
A
cache
metric
holds
some
weight
because
it
represents
consistency,
and
you
know
not
letting
people
state
that
it's
a
chaos'
metric
seems
like
something
we
could
take
away
like
John.
If
is
that?
What
you're
are
you
agreeing
with
that?
Or
did
I
say
something
else?
You're
agreeing
with
me.
H
H
Opting
out
of
what
opting
out
of
your
information
paa
things
like
that
being
used
in
metrics
measurement.
So
as
far
as
like,
we
have
a
lot
of
input.
We
have
some
implementations
that
require
that
use,
email
addresses
and
they
github
api
mm-hmm,
and
our
general
idea
coming
from
like
the
past,
is
that
we've
had
if
it's
available
publicly
or
anything,
we
can
use
it
publicly.
D
Exactly
it's
a
technical
problem,
so
I
think
it's
something
that
the
software
projects
need
to
tackle.
I,
don't
think
we
can
do
it
at
the
metric
definition,
level
and
I
know
in
ramallah.
The
church'
has
been
putting
in
procedures
to
handle
GPR
requests
and
I
assume
augers
doing
similar
things.
Mm-Hmm.
That's.
A
B
A
J
The
son
has
madly
say
we
are
talking
about
IDs
individuals
and
the
thing
about
the
tooling
is
the
tooling,
by
definition
again
could
be
or
not.
Ddp
are
compliant.
I
would
say
that
it
matters
in
the
sense
of
how
the
people
is
using
the
tool
for
and
again,
science
is
an
open
source
tool.
People
can
use
them
for
whatever
thing
they
want.
So
that's
why
I
was
suggesting
to
take
a
look
at
this
idea
of
the
technologies
oil
that
you
are
using
the
tool
for
not
hurting
other
people.
J
Does
the
first
thing,
and
the
second
thing
is
the
tooling
can
provide
the
measures
to
be
DDP
are
compliant.
So
it's
not
a
matter
of
the
tool
in
itself
is
how
you
are
using
it.
I
mean
first
thing:
is
you
can't
gather
information
from
DeLand?
You
can
get
the
email
of
the
people
if
you
got
to
use
a
beehive
decide
this.
This
little
statement
that
you
are
not
allowed
to
get
email
from
here
and
start
making
calls
to
these
people
to
get
there
to
give
them
jobs.
J
B
And
the
principle
in
the
principle
purpose
of
GDP
are
and
the
California
law,
and
the
other
ones
that
are
coming
is
to
prevent
people
from
getting
spammed
with
advertising
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
reasons
get
and
get
hub
and
other
platforms
like
it
have
been
sort
of
exempted
from
these
rules
is
because
nobody
is
sending
us
nobody's
sending
us
advertising
than
a
command
line.
And
if
the
Terms
of
Service
prevent
you
from
using
the
emails
to
spam,
people,
then
github
considers
themselves
covered.
I
mean
the
intent
is
not
to
prevent
open-source
software
from
working.
J
The
sense
of
we
are
a
company
providing
the
service.
Basically,
we
are
committed,
as
a
company
to
say
to
the
people.
This
is
the
data
processing
women.
We
need
to
sign
with
the
customer,
but
if
you
are
someone
using
the
tool
is
how
you
use
the
tool.
They
think
that
this
could
be
an
issue,
but
it's
not
a
matter
of
the
tool
itself
is
how
you
use
the
tool
for
because
the
tool
has
the
meet
the
means
and
the
measures
to
prevent
that.
L
A
J
Also
use
the
second
approach
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
the
study
when
all
this
thing
about
the
ethics
and
software
was
discussed,
starting
to
be
discussed,
I
discovered
this.
This
hypocrite
is
technology,
so
I
discovery,
some
smart
way
of
be
accountable
in
the
sense
of
I
am
saying
I
as
manrique
or
us
as
a
community.
We
are
saying
that
I
am
using
or
using
or
building
this
software
under
this
oath.
So
if
you
find
me
using
this,
for
not
good
reasons,
you
can
blame
me
for
that.
J
So
you
are
alone
by
yourself
to
do
the
same
thing
with
you
with
the
software.
So
basically
I
am
adding
this
to
my
repositories.
My
own
personal
repository
so
same
md5
like
ok.
This
is
my
old
of
this
software
and
not
using
this
for
hurting
people.
So,
basically,
if
you
find
me
hurting
people,
you
can
blame
me.
You
can
open
an
issue.
J
Well,
you
if
I
see
to
find
an
issue
or
a
vulnerability
in
my
code,
because
sorry
is
my
fault,
so
you
can
blame
me
for
that,
and
I
will
work
on
fix
it,
and
is
that
my
approach
of
open
sort
of
way
to
work
on
this
is
basically
an
accountable
for
doing
that.
Isn't
I'm,
not
limiting
you
to
use
this
for
for
the
same
thing.
But
if
you
are
cloning,
my
repository,
you
are
cloning,
my
oath,
so
basically
you
can
be
blamed
for
using
the
platform
but
resource.
A
A
To
move
on
to
the
next
item,
this
is
super
helpful
and
we've
can
I
think
we've
captured
a
lot
of
what
is
discussed
here
from
what
I
understand
gay
or
your
hope
is
to
include
something
in
alignment
with
the
next
metrics
release,
and
so
that
gives
us
time
to
continue
to
kind
of
sort
this
out,
because
we
have
6
weeks
until
that
occurs.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
starting
point
kind
of
moving
it
out
of
ephemeral,
discussion
down
into
paper.
So
thank
you,
Elizabeth
and
everybody
who
participated.
That
was
very
helpful.
A
B
B
A
D
D
A
D
B
There's
let
me
just
pipe
up
on
Forks
there's
I'd
like
to
propose,
as
I
propose
another
working
groups
that
Forks
move
into
the
common
working
or
because
that's
retreat.
Oh,
is
that
what
he
was
saying:
yep,
okay,
yes,
so
and
I
was
gonna
answer
evolution,
two,
possibly
three
with
the
assumption
that
it
works
is
moving
to
common
okay.
A
So
the
upwards
of
seven
eleven
fourteen
and
an
upper
and
five
11
so
11
to
14
all
right.
So
this
so
I
guess
maybe
one
of
the
first
things
is
thank
you
for
everybody
for
pushing
those
forward.
I!
Think
that's
really
awesome.
We
won't
talk
about
it
here,
but
I
just
want
to
put
something
out
that
there
is
a
just
kind
of
a
larger
concern
that,
as
we
continue
to
develop
metrics
the
metric
lists
become
pretty
long
and
we
may
have
at
some
point:
100
metrics,
150
metrics
and
the
chaos
that
community
slash.
A
A
E
G
Would
I
would
like
to
point
out
the
release
that,
for
those
fourteen
metrics,
that
the
working
groups
are
wanting
to
release
about
two
weeks
and
do
it
if
you
want
to
as
margarita
regular
release
through.
G
Comment
period,
so
they
need
to
be
out
the
door
by
June
24,
thirtieth,
thir,
Sassoon.
D
B
B
D
Last
time
we
had
talked
about
the
migration
and
Sean
had
shared
that
for
augur.
It
would
be
migration
effort
of
in
the
hundreds
of
hours,
and
so
there
was
a
tendency
to
not
move,
because
the
migration
cost
for
augur
is
so
high.
But
we
didn't
have
anyone
from
Ramallah
and
the
idea
to
move
to
adapt
came
from
the
grimoire
lab
proud,
and
so
we
didn't
want
to
make
a
decision
have
a
conversation,
so
Santi
I'm
Enrique.
You
have
something
you
want
to
yeah.
N
B
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
some
of
them
are
appealing
I.
Think
our
challenge
is
having
the
funds
to
Carter
gave
graduate
in
December,
and
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
this
summer,
because
they're
working
other
internships,
so
I
would
basically
be
devoting
most
of
the
rest
of
the
time
they
have
on
the
project
to
moving
to
get
lab
and
then
from
an
auger
product
perspective
or
project
perspective.
That's
a
painful
choice
to
make
okay,
because
I
would
we
would
lose
essentially
our
leadership
for
developing
new
features
and
and
hardening
things.
B
N
B
B
Mean
clearly
that
it
I
think
the
reason
we
wanted
to
have
the
discussion
with
you
all
here
is
because
of
this
you
know
quite
quite
clearly,
there's
a
benefit
for
your
project
for,
furthermore,
lab
and
I
and
I.
Guess
they
I
guess
the
the
question
is
the
cost
of
it
to
auger
and
I.
Think
I
think.
The
other
item
that
came
up
was
the
fact
that
we'd
be
the
only
Linux
Foundation
project,
not
on
github
yeah,
which
seems
weird.
A
N
Well,
I've
been
using
for
many
years,
I
can
still
use
it.
I
would
propose
how
many
was
for
what
take
advantage
of
all
these
features,
with
continuous
integration
and
also
with
with
with
a
way
the
way
to
we
will
get
there
on
the
issues
like
gathering
in
one
place.
Only
so
we
can,
we
can
think
about
to
find
a
way
to
to
get
that
in
github.
D
A
A
A
Well,
maybe
let
me
just
on
the
user
stories
so
in
the
grammar
lab
call.
They've
had
folks
on
who
have
been
using
the
grammar
lab
tools.
What
would
anybody
think
about
inviting
people
to
the
community?
Call
that
would
talk
talk
about
metrics
or
metrics
user
metrics
deployment
it
wouldn't
be
for
the
entire
call,
but
even
just
for
15
minutes
I
mean
we
kind
of
do
this
in
the
podcast
a
little
bit
but
spending
any
time.
H
H
A
None
just
I,
don't
know
that
everybody
here
listens
to
the
podcasts
just
because
it's
a
community
call.
That
was
all,
but
if
we
want
us
to
stick
with
it
on
the
podcast,
maybe
we
didn't
do
the
same
thing
with
grimore
lab.
Instead
of
inviting
people
today,
I
call
we
just
to
invite
him
to
the
podcasts.
Then
we
centralize
those
discussions
all
on
the
podcast
I
see
no
problem.
C
A
Be
great
I
mean
I
was
even
thinking
like
from
from
like
a
Patricia
or
granola
perspective,
or
from
even
just
having
folks
from
our
talk
like
here's
who
we've
been
talking
to,
and
here
are
the
complex
issues
that
we've
been
thinking
about.
You
know
and
here's
the
use
of
the
tea
just
yeah.
There
was
those
kind
of
things
hey.
D
D
B
H
E
A
A
Let's
see,
oh
very
very
briefly,
some
of
us
have
been
meeting
I.
Think
last
time
we
mentioned
website
updates
we're
also
working
to
improve
the
workflow
around
getting
the
chaos
weekly
news
that
are
out
so
that
we
can
just
basically
do
it
be
a
wordpress,
so
shouldn't
see
a
big
change
from
a
reciept
perspective
of
it,
but
we're
working
on
how
to
improve
that.
I'm,
google
Summer
of
Code
and
outreach
e
for
those
of
you
that
are
doing
the
mentoring.
Please
continue
to
encourage
the
students
to
blog
and
share
their
experiences.
A
B
A
Week
so
we
continue
to
meet
with
the
Linux
Foundation
I
think
what
has
to
happen
is
Manrique.
Remember
you
were
on
the
call
with
us
when
we
were
talking
about
like
the
metrics
to
show-
and
this
even
came
up
I
think
in
the
grimore
lab
call
today,
and
it
came
up
with
a
wrist
call
I
think
at
some
point.
B
Put
them
on
a
and
I
think
there
was
some
like
a
member
friend
of
UK
was
manrique
was
in
the
conversation
where
we
want
to
produce
metrics
that
people
can't
get
straight
off
of
github
and
some
of
the
metrics
that
we're
on
there
were
things
we
can
get
straight
up
with
github.
You
know
we
want
to
show
some
hey.
We
can
do
even
more
than
that
right.
B
H
A
My
suggestion
would
be
we'll
talk
with
the
folks
at
the
Linux
Foundation,
just
to
kind
of
see
where
this
is
all
at
in
terms
of
getting
the
form
built.
That
can
do
a
request
for
a
community
report,
how
that's
going
to
be
integrated
with
Salesforce
at
the
Linux
Foundation
and
then
probably
following
that
meeting,
we
could
talk
with
our
ger
and
grimore
lab
folks
as
to
what
those
that
limited
set
of
metrics
can
be
on
that
report.
Exactly
right.
So.
C
A
I
I
I
I
A
So
I've
been
so
it's
great
that
Alyssa's
on
I've
been
chatting
with
Elissa.
Would
back
your
stack
and
sew
back.
Your
stack
is
a
program
to
basically
just
do
that,
provide
a
way
to
support
the
stack
that
you're
dependent
on
and
notice
that
you
can
tell
me
if
I'm
not
getting
this
quite
right,
so
providing
support
in
in
the
stack
that
your
organization
might
be
depended
on
and
so
increasing
transparency
on
those
dependencies
and
in
that
stack
is
really
critical
right.
So
we
can.
A
We
can
look
at
health
just
in
a
project-by-project
level,
but
understanding
it
at
the
ecosystem.
Level
is
super
challenging,
and
so
the
work
that
Alice
has
been
doing
has
been
trying
to
unpack
that
quite
a
bit
night.
I
personally
think
the
chaos
project
has
Oh
Shawn
and
Garrick
both
for
nodding
and
agreeing
has
a
lot
of
interest
in
trying
to
get
this
done
and
I
don't
see,
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
internal
at
the
chaos
project.
That's
building
this
out
at
the
moment,
I!
J
E
A
D
I
I
I
A
L
Well,
I've
been
I
mean
in
my
final
submission
of
the
proposal.
Draft,
so
I
have
been
preparing
my
dogs,
which
I
should
be
submitting
probably
next
week
and
I
have
been
in
contact
with
the
George
and
aunts
from
working
on
proposals.
But
for
now
my
major
concern
for
me
was
to
configure
out
the
documentation
platform
too
old,
to
secure
the
host
basically
about
the
community.
L
But
once
we
hear
back
from
the
gate
book,
we
would
be
able
to
set
up
the
demonstration
part
for
the
kiosk
community
and
would
be
be
able
to
consider
out
the
ways
how
we
can
figure
it
out.
And
we
like
work
for
the
documentation
stuff,
so
I
would
be
working
any
stretching
out
further
as
well.
While
we
get
to
hear
from
the
okay.
E
Yeah
we
haven't
received
much
response
from
the
linux
foundation
site,
but
other
than
that.
We're
planning
to
open
same
procedure
for
the
g-shock
to
have
the
same
procedure
like
so
jisub
to
like
we'll
be
opening
we'll
be
creating
a
file
like
this,
a
GS
OD
ideas
and
GS
OD
interest
in
the
governance
repo.
E
G
A
A
D
As
cast
will
be
releasing
the
fifth
episode
this
week,
which
is
a
really
great
episode,
because
it's
defining
mutti
health
and
it's
a
really
foundational
episode,
so
I
highly
recommend
everyone
look
forward
to
that.
We
also
got
our
first
money
from
the
sponsorship
and
so
now,
I
just
ordered
today,
all
of
the
thank-you
articles,
poker
chips,
post
card
and
stickers
and
working
with
Elizabeth
on
a
process
to
send
those
out
to
our
guests
and
panelists.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
who
is.