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A
A
Is
that
okay,
I
was
like
no
one's
doing
it
what's
wrong,
but
there
it
comes
okay,
it's
just
a
delay
and
maybe
everyone's
just
rebelling
and
like
no
we're
not
absolutely
gonna.
Do
that
elizabeth
because
you
don't
you
know,
you
don't
run
our
lives,
but
I
do
appreciate
those
of
you
who
are
doing
it.
I
am
elizabeth
for
anyone
who
is
new,
I'm
the
community
manager.
A
I
realize
I
don't
ever
actually
say
who
I
am
and
why
I'm
here
and
why
I'm
the
one
that's
talking,
but
I
am
the
community
manager
so
welcome
to
the
chaos
community.
We're
really
really
happy
to
see
you
as
a
quick
reminder.
We
have
a
new
slack.
Well,
it's
not
really
new,
it's
a
year
old,
but
we're
using
it
now.
So
that's
exciting!
So
join
us
on
slack.
A
If
that's
a
thing
that
you
do-
and
I
think
does
anybody
have
questions
about
that
slack
how's
it
going
in
there
eh
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
quiet
still,
but
that's
okay,
we'll
keep
using
it.
I
like
it.
Actually,
I
feel
more
connected
to
you
all,
because
I
can
just
ping
you
at
any
time
anytime.
I
want
I
can
just
ping
you,
so
it's
pretty
great
yeah.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
jump
in
to
the
agenda.
A
We
have
a
really
short
agenda
today,
so
you
might
actually
get
some
time
back.
Maybe
not,
though,
we'll
see
how
it
goes
so,
the
first
one
is
a
new
blog
post
by
georg
and
georg
is
not
on
here.
I
don't
think
but
yeah
you
should
go
read
this.
It's
actually
pretty
cool.
So
there
was
a
tool
that
was
developed.
A
That
was
based
on
the
the
chaos
metrics
and
it
all
centers
around
non-code
contributions,
which
is
always
a
really
tricky
subject
and
something
that
is
extremely
important
to
a
community,
but
not
necessarily
very
easy
to
track.
So
you
should
all
go
read
this.
That's
the
name
of
the
tool.
It's
called
the
open
source
contributions
log
and
it's
it's
super
cool.
So
thank
you,
georg,
for
writing
that
and
for
chatting
with
marco
on
this
I'll
drop
a
link
in
the
chat.
A
It's
pretty
cool
and
here
comes
georg
now,
but
we'll
give
him
a
minute,
I'm
not
sure,
hey,
georg
we're
just
talking
about
your
blog
post,
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
add.
Obviously
you
don't
know
what
we
already
said,
but
if
there's
anything
that
you
would
like
like
to
talk
about
with
that
that'd
be
great.
B
I
think
you
already
covered
it
all,
there's
nothing
else.
I
need
to
say
the
the
idea
for
the
blog
post
came
yeah.
I
just
had
this
conversation
with
because
I
saw
somewhere
that
he'd
mentioned
using
chaos
in
his
ideas,
and
so
I
was
like
yeah
tell
me
about
it.
You
know
like
I
always
do
when
I
hear
someone
is
using
chaos,
and
so
I
wanted
to
share
that
with
you.
A
A
C
And
we're
kind
of
tracking
it,
but
it's
not.
I
don't
think
it's
done
consistently
between
working
groups
in
terms
of
say,
like
if
you're
working
on
a
metric,
we
list
who's
working
on
it
and
that's
about
it,
but
essentially
trying
to
acknowledge
that
we're
not
working
with
code
so
recognizing
contributions
in
some
of
these
aspects.
We've
had
to
be
more
explicit
about
it,
but
I
think
working
toward
a
standard
way
of
doing
this
is
very
compelling
and
exciting.
A
A
All
right
rock
on
we'll
move
ahead.
The
next
item
is
the
standardization
of
files
across
each
working
group.
Yash
and
richard.
Do
you
all
want
to
talk
about
this.
D
I
added
to
the
list
and,
like
there's,
been
a
lot
of
talk
going
on
about
standardizing
the
structure
of
readme.md,
so
in
addition
to
the
readme.md,
we
thought
it
would
be
great
if
we
standardized
contributing
dot
empty
and
the
code
of
conduct.md
also,
and
so
basically
the
contributing.md
has
been
re
designed,
so
it
would
point
to
a
common
set
of
contributing
guidelines
and
this
would
allow
easier
maintenance.
D
D
E
I
believe
the
discussions
we've
had
prior.
We
want
to
put
that
document
in
the
the
governance
repo
and
then
we
want
to
point
towards
that
document.
E
E
B
E
Okay,
would
it
be
possible
to
merge
those
the
governance
repo
with
the
handbook
repository
so
that
we
just
have
the
one
repository
that
contains
these
documents
and
then
we
can
pull
the
documents
we
want
into
the
handbook.
E
F
B
E
So
I
think
the
the
general
principle
that
we're
trying
to
get
here
is
reduce
reduce
redundancy
and
replication
of
these
documents.
So
we
just
in
most
cases
we
just
want
one
version
of
that
document
to
exist,
and
then
we
want
to
link
to
it
or
pull
that
document
in
directly
from
the
repo.
So
I
think
that's
that's
our
core.
That's
our
core
principle
here,
correct!
E
A
Right,
thank
you.
How
difficult
would
that
be
to
change
to
to
switch
over
to
the
governance
for
the
community
handbook
to
pull
it
from
there?
Is
that
like
a
difficult
thing
to
do,
would
that
screw
everything
up?
A
A
That's
the
end
of
our
agenda.
We
only
had
two
things
to
talk
about,
so
what
else
is
on
your
minds?
We
have
a
ton
of
time.
We
can
cut
the
meeting
short
or
we
can
talk
about
something
that
has
been
on
your
mind
that
we
just
haven't
had
time
to
get
to
in
the.
G
A
We
had
yes,
we
did
talk
about
kscon,
we
started
a
group
of
people
who
are
interested
in
helping
to
organize
that
and
we
are
considering
attaching
it
to
oss
eu
slash
n
a
in
seattle
in
the
fall
so
process.
A
And
seattle,
so
if
anyone
wants
to
be
on
that
committee
to
help
organize
and
plan
that,
let
us
know
let
me
or
gary
know
and
we'll
add
you
to
the
slack
group.
We
haven't
really.
A
G
Yeah
so
yeah
happy
to
help
organizing.
I
won't
be
there.
I
don't
think
so,
but
yeah
I'd
be
around.
Thank
you.
G
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good!
That's
a
really
good
point.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
Matt
g
since
you're
on
the
call
now
did
did
the
lf
respond
to
or
or
confirmed
that
we
would
be
able
to
have
space
for
chaos
con
at
not
yet.
Okay,
okay,.
J
A
H
C
Okay,
yeah
I'm
just
assuming
for
things
like
sponsorships
and
participation
and
socialization.
We
would
want
to
have
that
on
the
early
sex
I
mean.
Oh,
is
this:
I
don't
even
recall
anymore
seattle.
Eu
this
event,
like
is
already
being
advertised
and
proposals
are
open
so,
like
I,
don't
want
to
get
too
far
behind
that
cadence.
C
A
Yeah,
that's
a
really
really
good
point
because
september,
I
just
dropped
the
dates
in
the
chat.
The
actual
event
is
happening
september,
27th
through
30th,
which
is
like
not
that
far
away
like
that's
pretty
soon
to
plan
a
whole
thing.
So
yeah,
that's
a
really
good
point.
A
E
B
B
L
I'd
just
like
to
point
out
if
the
intent
is
to
do
a
hybrid
event,
I
think
that
an
unconference
format
could
be
pretty
challenging
to
execute,
so
just
wanted
to
call
that.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
really
valid
point
and
I
think
if
I
recall,
we
wanted
to
try
to
have
a
hybrid
or
have
some
kind
of
a
virtual
component
so
that
we
could
include
people
who
aren't
obviously
able
to
get
to
seattle,
because
that
would
be
a
large
percentage
of
our
community.
So
that's
a
really
good
point.
A
A
A
Since
that
was
really
the
end
of
the
agenda,
what
else
do
we?
What
else
do
we
have?
I
just
got
here.
I
know
we
have
a
short
agenda
because
you
didn't
add
anything.
Usually
it's
like
matt
adds
like
20
things
they're
like.
I
now
know
why
the
meetings
are
so
long.
B
B
E
B
M
I
have
a
kind
of
off
the
cuff
agenda
items
since
there's
open
time,
and
I
probably
wouldn't
ask
for
a
group
time
on
this
ordinarily,
so
miracle
build
is
we're
getting
closer
to.
We
just
did
a
new
release,
we're
getting
closer
to
open
sourcing,
and
I
wonder
about
advice
on
how
to
introduce
a
community
and
get
involvement,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
start
opening
things
up.
And
how
can
I
do
that
in
a
way?
M
J
M
J
J
To
the
community,
so
that's
really
nice,
I'm
not
sure,
we've!
Never.
J
As
far
as
I
can
tell
anybody
on
this,
I
don't
think
we've
ever
had
a
piece
of
software
kind
of
the
kind
of
the
situation
that
you're
describing
lucas.
So
I
don't
think
we've
crossed
this
before
so
I
think
it's
something
to
think
about
yeah.
A
Room,
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
reach
out
to
different
groups
and
try
to
maybe
partner
with
them.
Like
I'm
thinking
of
like
user
groups.
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
language
it's
written
in.
A
Okay,
so
like,
if
there's
a
you,
know,
local
user
group
or
something
if
you
have
any
personal
contacts,
I
think
it's
also
good
to
kind
of
tap
into
those
and
help
like
let
them
help.
You
spread
the
word
and
I
think,
like
students
are
also
you
know.
A
lot
of
people
are
always
looking
for
something
to
work
on
that's
interesting
and
compelling,
and
also
groups
like
women
who
code
things
like
that.
They're
always
looking
for.
You
know,
awesome
projects
to
contribute
that
they
can
pass
along
to
their
members.
A
So
just
some
ideas.
I
I
like
to
target.
I
mean
it's
a
good
like
it's,
not
gonna
hurt
you.
I
don't
think
so.
You
know
just
blast
it
on
twitter.
Just
like
hey
this
thing's
open,
we
would
love.
You
know
you
to
join
the
community,
but
I
think
some
targeted
outreach
is
also
helpful
and
can
be
productive
as
well.
M
M
L
M
Our
user
is
mainly
the
maintainers
of
club
style
projects,
so
projects
with
a
significant
ratio
of
contributor
to
user,
and
it
is-
and
you
can
see
our
why
we're
you
know
paying
close
attention
to
chaos
and
comparable
software
and
we're
going
to
open
source
over
the
next
month,
but
also
kind
of
just
found
community
think
about
how
how
that
should
be
like
so
much
of
open
source.
It's
not
really
code
or
features,
but
like
people
causes.
A
So
that's
good,
and
I
would
also
just
recommend
that
you,
maybe
if
you
haven't
already
take
a
look
at
the
dei
metrics
that
we
have
and
like
might
just
give
you
some
things
to
think
about
as
you're
setting
it
up
from
the
ground.
You
know
from
the
ground.
C
A
To
kind
of
build
in
that
that
sense
of
inclusivity
and
make
sure
that
you
know
you're
set
up
to
to
succeed
in
that
way
as
well
from
the
beginning,
would
be
great.
M
K
A
What
else
do
we
have
to
talk
about?
We
don't
have
anything
else
on
the
agenda.
K
I
have
a
question
if
I
may,
of
course,
I
I've
mentioned
this
elsewhere
and
in
one
of
the
working
groups
about
I've
been
part
of
the
drupal
community.
We
have
this
issue
credit
system
that
allows
us
to
track
volunteerism
as
well
as
sponsorship
and
when
people
are
doing
work
for
their
organization
or
client,
or
things
like
that
that
we've
been
using
for
five
plus
years
and
we're
trying
to
move
that
over
to
the
different
platforms
like
get
lab
and
we're
also
interested
in
making
in
making
it
a
new
metric.
K
So
I
have
been
in
one
of
the
working
groups
that
happen
to
work
with
my
schedule
and
is
and
seems
relevant
for
this
particular
one.
But
I
guess
it
seems
to
me
what
I've
gathered
so
far
is
like
the
the
working
group.
Zoom
meetings
are
where
you
would
sort
of
have
discussions
about
that,
and
I
just
wondered
if
like
how
how
one
goes
about
saying.
K
Oh,
we
should
do
this
working
group
versus
that
or
doing
things
through
the
issue
queue
or
I
was
looking
through
the
handbook
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
just
finding
a
place
to
have
finding
the
appropriate
place.
I
guess
to
have
that
conversation
or,
if
that's
really
just
like.
Oh,
I
think
it
makes
sense
in
the
evolution
working
group,
so
just
keep
talking
about
it
there.
So
I
guess
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
here
in
the
wider.
H
J
Yeah
I'd
say:
sometimes
the
working
groups
are
kind
of
built
to
help
tell
the
story,
but
there's
often
a
lot
of
overlap
between
the
working
groups,
and
we
have,
I
believe
gary
could
tell
me
from
rhyme.
I
think
we
have
moved
metrics
that
might
make
a
little
bit
more
sense
from
one
working
group
to
another
in
the
past,
so
that
necessarily
to
say,
originated
in
evolution.
J
You're.
The
one
matthew
in
this
case
say
driving
particular
development
in
that
space
because
it
works
for
your
schedule,
which
is
cool,
but
if
over
time
it
just
makes
sense
a
little
bit
for
everybody
that
it
sits
in
a
different
working
group.
That's
there's
not
a
lot
of
overhead
on
that.
H
E
Yeah,
I
don't
think
we've
ever.
I
don't
think
we've
ever
moved
a
metric
that
was
being
worked
on
actually
being
worked
on,
but
I
think,
through
discussions
in
the
working
group
we
we
do
have
kind
of
those
conversations
about.
Does
it
belong
here?
Does
it
belong?
Is
it
a
better
fit
for
another
working
group.
H
H
H
A
K
K
K
K
A
H
Did
we
did
we
mentioned
that
we
submitted
for
google
summer
of
code
claimed
our
slots
and
people.
H
A
E
Will
we
will
we
be
having
any
sort
of
mentor
meeting
to
coordinate
the
beginning
of
this
or
to
plan
the
announcement.
E
E
H
J
H
E
Well,
I
I
don't
think
we
can
have
those
in
in
this
in
this
forum,
so
I
know
so
most
of
the
I
think
most
of
the
management
of
this
process
is
being
done
by
by
one
or
two
people,
and
then
there
are
maybe
some
kind
of
email
updates,
but
through
those
email
updates,
I'm
not
sure
I
have
a
full
view
of
of
what's
going
on.
E
We
can
chat
out
of
bound
to
out
of
out
of
band
too,
if
this,
if
I'm
the
only
one
that
has
those
issues
so.
B
B
J
J
B
B
A
Oh,
oh,
I
see
never
mind.
Okay,
this
is
your
last
chance.
Speak
now
forever
hold
your
peace
at
least
till
next.
I
B
Another
conversation
that
justin
flory
is
brought
about
is
drive
through
versus
flyby
contributors.
B
Not
talking
about
drive
by
since
we
already
agreed
not
to
do
that,
he
saw
the
issue
on
cauldron
to
change
the
drive
drive-by
to
fly
by
what
auger
adopted,
and
he
said
that
vicky
brazor
had
a
talk
about
drive-through
contributors
and
that
he
sees
that
term
more
often
being
used,
and
so
this
is
something
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
as
well,
because
it's
something
he
opened
an
issue
in
the
common
working
group.
But
I
feel,
like
you
all,
might
have
opinions
about
what
to
name
this.
H
Yeah
we
changed
all
the
drive-bys
to
to
to
flybys
and
number.
We
did
a
pull
request
for
that.
There
was
there's
only
there's
like
four
reports
that
it
shows
up
in
and
of
course,
we
had
to.
We
changed
that,
of
course,
like
any
code
required
us
to
change
it
about
20
different
things,
but
changing
it
to
drive
through
would
just
be
another
pull
request
issue.
So
if
the
community
agrees,
that's
what
we
want
to
call
it,
that's
what
we'll
call
it.
J
The
new
update
with
the
change
already
made
okay
and
honest
I
looked
on.
I
tried
to
do
a
search
on
the
site
that
just
the
chaos
site.
I
didn't
see
anything.
I
didn't
look
at
github,
irrespective
of
what
term
it
is.
I
don't
even
see
the
original
term
being
used
except
in
cauldron
right
now,
but
if
you
said
that
that's
being
fixed
anyway,.
E
One
term
that
I've
seen
in
academic
research,
for
that
is
episodic
contributions
rather
than
drive-bys
or
flybys.
An
episodic
contribution
occurs
at
a
regular
intervals,
or
only
occasionally.
H
N
A
A
E
So
and
the
reason
we
don't
want
to
use
drive
by
is
because
of
the
connection
to
violence.
G
A
Okay,
we
didn't
really
make
a
firm
decision
on
that,
but
go
to
that
issue
and
leave
your
comments.