CHAOSS Weekly Hangout, 21 May 2019

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This is the weekly call, you know, as you know, we have no agenda. I have a few things that I want to bring up, and if other people have things they won't bring up as well. We can do that now and.

C

I can wait on mine.

B

So are there things on people's mind at the moment, I.

B

Will start with mine then to get the ball rolling.

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Intermediate No yeah I just want to summarize in google Summer of Code at some point. Yeah.

B

Okay, that's all that's good, and here did you have something to I.

D

Was saying that we have the kiosk on call for participation, open.

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Right um well and then I have kind of a.

B

Releasing all right so I guess I'll start with mine, one and I'm really interested in what people's thoughts are on.

B

This I am a little concerned that we have a lot of working groups and the working groups you meet often and after the working groups we get the list with kind of a nun kind of an unfiltered collection of things that were talked about in the list, and my concern is, is that for all of us that are on these calls very regularly I think the pace and tempo a lot of sense but anchor the people that aren't necessarily on these calls all the time.

B

It's a lot of information to take in over the course of the week and I. Think it's a my guess is that it's a bit disorienting, sometimes just when the calls are what's going on in these calls. So one of the things that I'm I would like to propose and I'm going to put it in the chat is something along lines.

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See you see that it's got public access.

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So something that we send out to the list on a weekly basis and I am happy to take this on, because I want to keep it short and sweet again. My concern is: is that we have? We have five working groups plus this community call and they meet all the time, which is great.

B

I have no problem with the meetings, but we take minutes, and then we hit the list with the minutes and my conspiracies that again, it's just it's just a lot of information for people to take on who are kind of only cursorily following what we're doing or trying to wonder how we they can get involved or do I want to keep.

F

Up to date, this is great Matt I, think the only thing I would add under resources is the time and date of the next call or even just recurring in all in events go to the top. Oh, oh.

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Yeah, oh okay, events, I, see and I would just change it week by week. Yeah, okay,.

J

Yeah I agree, I mean, as for somebody, that's been sort of absent for the past couple of months, I mean I think this is great. The only suggestion I have is rather than email, which would get Perry with other notes like. Is it better to just publish it on the web somehow, or is that we.

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K

Okay, the one question I've got and like I said, I'm jumping in and not like radius, but we had tucked in March about a release. Do we have anything working towards that's visible in this newsletter? Yeah.

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I'm just wondering, if that's something we should start well.

B

If you take a look at the first thing under metrics, did.

K

I miss it. Okay, we're.

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A big pushes towards the release of our first version of metrics.

K

You're right, I didn't even read it sorry, my dad!

K

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Right there and that link is to link to the to the current spreadsheet that we're using to track the release of metrics. Absolutely.

K

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You and obviously there's a ton, more detail that can go into this, but I just want to keep it really simple for people just like.

K

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So they made the so the general I think the general is a positive I would send.

K

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Probably on Monday mornings would be my plan. That would be my just so just so. We can kind of list all the meetings that are coming up for the week yeah doesn't weekend and then the other question that is, should we can I'm sorry nope yeah.

E

Yeah yeah, hey! It's me great okay, so I I just wanted to say that I find it a very interesting game. Maybe we are stressing to mats that the way collaboration is meetings. Some people prefer a sort of communication, and maybe we are missing those people, people who cannot track all the meetings birthdays. Do you want to contribute so I suggest that, in addition to all the time for the medians, maybe you can include the links to the repositories so that people can go there and check the issues.

E

I'm Stan just wondering because I'm a bit concerned about the people used to work a synchronously. Maybe we are you know not counting two months.

B

So where would you suggest that pieces to.

E

Include links to the repositories for each of the working groups, in addition to the next meeting, but.

F

At the end, I think he's suggesting where you have the links to the minutes. Just also include the links to the repository right.

B

Yeah well I I'm, talking now about the document that man, yes, then, at.

E

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Have resources I have minutes and agenda I could just add a link to the repository as well. No.

E

What I mean is it a serious now if every Monday this is- and it seems I mean for an external people that just join cows or something that way of collaborating the cows is attending the meetings and there's no other work, because there is not nothing else mentioned in this document which is going to be sent quickly, and maybe we are sending the signal that for collaboration in cows, you need to be in the middle and that's not the case and that's what just saying.

E

Maybe it could be reason able to keep link to the local services world.

H

So what if I just.

B

Build I can see that first one down in resources. Oh.

E

It could be gassed aiding of the on the column where you have for the medians listed in the in the document that we get served.

E

Yeah, yeah, okay, that I'm just wondering so I mean it's a personal thing, because I usually prefer to work. A synchronously I want to know the opinion of all of here, because I also find it basically what you said. People join cows and do know what to do, and they are bit overworked, but number of meetings on.

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The lines like.

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Here, I didn't then, or maybe maybe just a note. They are saying something that you can also contribute by taking little squares. I don't know.

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With that, but that's fine.

B

Okay, so then this leads to my second question and and this these would change right. These would change every week, they're, not everything they're, just pieces, they're just tiny pieces that I'm pulling out of the week.

B

One of the things that I would need and I will need it today is, if you look under software, is that the right thing to say about grimore lab and is that the right thing to say about auger and if it's not I, just I need like just really quick things to say and I need it from you, folks, so I wouldn't Oh. Every Tuesday I would like to just write this sentence for the next Monday. Oh yeah,.

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Yeah, I might add, it might shift my sentence a little bit. You just shift it right now. I don't have edit I've. You only are you sure positive.

B

I'll put it back in the chat, hear me I, don't maybe I did think I changed it. Maybe.

F

I just refresh done: okay, refreshing.

E

So with respect to him for lab, if you don't mind, I'm going to think of it about that and I can edit it later, but yeah I I find it quite interesting to include a super.

B

Short update on grimore lab, if I don't hear anything by say, maybe towards him, we get people to do it. Then. Now.

H

I want to do it right now, okay or maybe, while we pull again just a sentence or two nothing big, because I don't want this to be a bomb. Okay,.

B

That's fine, a long document, so then that raises the the other thing so right now we release all of the minutes to the list. Should we continue to do that?

B

You're? In fact,.

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The end of this meeting I will take these minutes and post them to the list and evolution does the same thing. Bni does the same thing you.

E

Don't I mean, should we continue to do that so I think so. For me, it's very valuable because I cannot be in all the medians, and this is a way for me to thirteen to try. Okay, other.

H

Thoughts on this I.

D

Thought God saw that posting. The minutes is a good tradition that we have now would continue that.

F

hmm I think we're arguing that that's overwhelming and.

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Was my concern? You know I mean I can see where if I was new to Cass and I just started getting emails from five working groups every week or two I would and I just had access to the minutes. That would be a little more disorienting than something like this.

C

Not to mention it's not like the minutes are not accessible, there's so accessible through resources. People can choose whether or not to go into them. They're.

B

All here on this this week, right, yeah, they're.

C

On the bottom of in the resources sake, so you have the choice rather than filling up your inbox.

E

The problem is an ethic if they're not in the inbox is here unlikely that they can talk to them. I mean you need to go for them, which means that with time probably or it's working group is meant to be a bit more apart from other working groups, because there is no way that you can in five minutes, just read something now what others are doing is that the to go on find for it that if it most of you prefer not to 70 minutes, that's fine with me. So I can be the man.

E

As you say, we.

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Kind of sound like we're split down the middle.

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Kind of like the pitch for the whole meeting minutes for the week, we can have meeting minutes for each working group. They each provide a synopsis, and then we have that in in the weekly summary, and then we just send that out every week. I think it's the simplest way.

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Not I guess a good look I think like when we send out risk minutes and I've been the person doing that. That's we. We send out like a little WG rash thing in it. It's on the same mailing list, but we're designating in a sense that it's for just that working group, primarily or primarily for that working group yep, which I think gives people a signal if we sent minutes out every week that that they can ignore those if they want to easy delete or easy filter right. So maybe maybe we do both worlds.

F

I I, really like especially the rhythm to the having that the weekly sort of here's, where everything is email uh-huh. That's that's just so much better than trying to parse through all the different things.

B

So maybe it could I ask the working groups and I'm guilty of this too, that when we send out our minutes for the list, we label them something along the lines of like.

F

I used WG risk inside square brackets for risk and I. Think many of their working groups follow a similar convention and.

B

I, don't do it for community, so it's I'm guilty of that now.

E

I think that that predation was exactly that. Everything which is a specific to working groups would go with WG, something.

F

Like WD evolution.

B

Dna does bean I do that Georg I, actually without looking.

D

The dnr working group has its own mailing list, so they don't have to need to specify, but.

B

Do you, when you send, don't you some of the minutes? The main one was too wordy and I I.

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Think I only send it to the okay.

B

I guess I've never really looked detailed as to which list I'm receiving him from okay.

B

Well, why don't for the time being, I'll just start this next Monday the weekly for folks and then I'll just ask the working groups to again largely for myself hold on a second I.

D

Was gonna suggest that we send up the first draft today and then update it next week with what happened since we already have one.

B

Sorry had answered the door so that somebody so that working groups just add that WG what I work so.

D

Mad I was just thinking that, since we already have a first draft, we can send that out today. It's close enough to one day today and one thing I would request: drought is Cass, con CFP, I added it anything's, but maybe add a section also for the Jazz, calm and I'm happy to write it. If you meet you.

B

Would you put it under community for chaos, come yep.

D

We can do that. Okay,.

B

Why don't you go ahead and add that and add a little logo.

B

It's kind of a visual.

B

And then gr, you and I can just kind of loop back again to send this out to the list once you're done here so but I guess then I need the stuff from your lab. I edited it in.

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Thank you, hey soos, grimore,.

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Am I doing it hopefully in a few minutes, because I'm taking developers to.

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See if there's any new items, I pulled this stuff. This was from Daniel from last week. Okay,.

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Anything else you can reason I'm trying to get them update. Okay, you get the update. Okay,.

B

Okay, so and I think the point here to is: let's keep keep to this document simple. It can change every week, so I don't want to make this into a huge long list of stuff. So we may not capture everything every week. That's just the way. It is okay, great. um The next thing that I had was, for those the with respect to metrics. Releasing put this in the chat.

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Here's the github, releasing markdown file that we asked that I'm asking uh working groups to follow with respect to a release and thanks georg for some edits.

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Sure you're welcome.

B

So I think a lot of these should be pretty straightforward.

F

Yeah, this is very helpful. Okay,.

B

I think the biggest the biggest thing that's being asked in here is that the.

B

Number five is that there's consistency in naming so I've noticed that, because I as I'm, going through all of the metrics, sometimes I notice that the in the focus area, the name the name listed in the table- is different than the name. That's listed on. The detail.

B

Page is sometimes slightly different than the name that's listed in the metrics list, yeah see, and so there's three spots and I think we just need to make sure that when you're doing a release like if this is a candidate metric for release that you just double-check across all three of those spots,.

B

And then again, here's the number six is that link to the spreadsheet that we're asking you to use further, releasing which marked the ones ready for release on that sheet.

B

Monkey, or could you I always forget the dates that we kind of talked about was at the end of June.

F

That sounds familiar for a draft to be distributed to the community sometime in early July yeah.

B

That sounds familiar to me to get or do you remember we're.

D

Gonna, go through the minutes, just go down and see what we heard. Okay,.

B

So that would put a little pressure on the working groups and it's again it's not critical- that every world working group has some X number of metrics that they plan on releasing the number could be relatively small, I think for release one. It could be different sizes for different working groups, so your working groups and I think cuz we're, even if we're just three weeks out or four weeks out hoping that during those weekly sessions, you can talk about this issue. Okay, so those are the two big things for me.

B

The weekly Oh Garrick put the timeline out mid June to have an alpha release of metrics. So that's three weeks out mid July I need final version from working groups and then we release at the beginning of August. That's the to comment period. What does that mean? Oh.

D

Two weeks, : period is what we decided at the Governing Board meeting following.

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The mid July final version.

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Okay, thank you for finding that we.

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Want a date around mid, June and July I, don't use my like float mid. We give ourselves a little wiggle room, yet I know admit, means to you.

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The 24th we're just starting the last week, right, 20-point, xx, xx, even or 21st sure all right, yeah, fine.

F

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Xx idols pick that it's a Thursday yeah, it's not something.

B

That's the bitter end of the mids of June.

B

All right, great thanks, ok! So then to maybe just some of the other issues on here. I can find the notes.

B

Google Summer of Code e, hey soos: do you want to chat about the google Summer of Code stuff.

E

Yes, very quickly are there working period for the Google summer of groups that's next week, so we are fun. We are having the final meetings with our students related to the community founding fathers, which is finishing this week and expect the students to send weekly blog posts and references to the medians is thought in this way to saying.

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We are doing basically the same exactly.

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The same thing yet so.

B

The binding period ends when or.

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This weekend.

F

And then the work starts next week. Is that.

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Well, first workday is Monday yeah.

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The doing this period in, in our case, both students were having excellence, so it didn't have a lot of a lot of time to talk to them that we've, we have talked couple of four mediums, be our IRC and they have to complete it's about the environment. For our study to be predicted the day, only one I think that they are very clear what if they they decided to start preparing everything to get now so that they can instead of Monday with directly ok. That sounds.

B

Good great Shawn did you have anything to add with you.

F

Know we're doing it. I had the same situation where my students finished exams, I, think I. Think one is actually finishing exams this week. Okay, so we've had some correspondence in slack and the hello period where they have access to our slack channels and a bit of back and forth there. So, okay yeah all right.

B

Great, let's go canis con air. Did you want to chat briefly about that I.

D

Want to promote that we have kids come again and the day before the open source summit, North America, so on August 20, we will be in the same location as the open source summit, which is the treatment of last year and you're, asking now for proposals for presentations or workshops toriel to whatever people want to do so. Please submit your ideas.

D

That's all! Okay!.

B

Could you put on the CFP? Is there a date.

D

They are closing the CFP in May.

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You know it's right in next week: oh okay,.

B

That sounds good. Oh thanks. Thanks haters.

B

And just kind of on that we just so everybody knows right. We we are at the conference hotel the day before we're trying to secure support for things like coffee and make any food, so anything I think we're all set, at least in terms of venue. So that's good anything else on chaos con. It will certainly be submitting all right and then um ray I know you had kind of asked on a different channel with the board meeting and yeah I mean I'll. Try to okay.

J

Cool yeah I mean I, wasn't necessarily like lobbying for it one way, the other, but just just curious.

B

I mean maybe we can keep it short like just an hour or two yeah.

J

Yeah I think that works I mean we can even do it during the conference itself. If it's just an.

K

Hour in the morning.

J

Yeah and then I think we have at least two board members in Europe, so we probably want to do it early the morning, yeah.

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Almost looking how work is then I could just be kind of a quick convening, see every day, yeah yeah.

J

We'll probably, hopefully see each other plenty during during it in the hallways anyway. So.

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Awesome of it, and also actually geared to on Kaos Khan I, had reached out to folks up the LF to see if we can't set up the out-of-band registration.

B

Okay, yeah, because I know that you hadn't said that, like a third of the registrants in Vancouver, we're out of band like not through the open-source summit, North America registration thing, yeah.

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I haven't heard one way or the other okay.

D

Thanks for the update yeah.

B

And then I'm just so, you all know there is the hey you're, all familiar with community bridge. I. Just didn't want to point this hour if you and I have I haven't emailed yet to inquire, but we currently have $16,000.

B

In community bridge, so if you go to my community bridge org and then click on like say, make a donation, so that mean people have donated money to us. Linux.

G

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Has given us money, okay, yep so find a project to support, and then KS is right at the top and sixteen thousand ten dollars.

C

And that money that money is specifically earmarked for, like mm-hmm intern programs and things like that, yep.

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So I'm not going to go out, buy chips and dip is what you're saying if you actually click on.

B

It you can see on the next. The next page project goals.

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C

I'm so trying to get there apparently there's a facility management company by the same company.

B

I just put something in the chat: Brian cool.

F

That's very helpful: do you see that he's.

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Very helpful I.

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Take back all the things I said: are we so we're at the top of the list, sir? We, this is just the one you picked up for us.

B

I'm not I said I'm, not sure how the here, let me try this link not sure how well it's copy and paste so just funding that community bridge dorg yeah. If you're logged in you'll see our.

F

I'll take the day.

B

Word, oh so, how about this my answer to your pure question, brain? Yes, the dollars are your mark full particular things like mentorship, like meetups right, like.

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Or they would make t-shirts, you know stuff like that right, you can, you can pick and choose. I can see that now. Okay, I mean.

J

I think Brian was I, mean I, don't I think you were slightly joking about chips and dips. But if you want to spend some of that money at the chaos guy and I think that's doable right, I mean we can't spend. We don't want to spend it frivolously, but I. Don't.

C

Think chips and dip are fabulous, but.

J

I was thinking something more critical like beer and coffee.

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B

Correct yeah kind of to be honest with me a bit unexpected, so I I didn't know. This was going to happen from.

E

The LMS, what do you think if we try to locate some of these money for the google Summer of Code interns who came into the next cow skill, or maybe two cows condor off or something like that? Yeah.

B

So I think this kind of Ben raises. Maybe the next question I'm actually glad it has come up, is how do we decide how to spend the dollars like who gets.

F

To pull the trigger I'm, not I, remember the board, chairperson of the board, people.

J

B

I'd like to be very transparent and open about this, so should we always bring this to the board. This is something.

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C

I think that, for the time being, you should at least bring it to the board, but I think that the board should probably come up with a procedural mechanism: okay, because that might be too top-heavy, but yeah I think the board Oakland, because I don't remember discussing this in the Charter at all- are talking about money. No you'd have to build some processes in place. Yeah.

B

I think the last time we talked about it was whether or not we should apply, and the answer is yes yeah and we didn't here. We've got some money now.

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People trying to start a party so you've got a problem. Okay,.

E

I completely get Brian, it was. This is just something so medium.

B

Okay, let me I'll think through that, a little bit as to the quickest way to bring that up to the board. Maybe we can do it kind of as an out-of-band, because.

J

I don't want to.

B

Wait until August yeah.

J

I think mail English discussion is appropriate, I mean they shouldn't be that difficult to come up with I'm making this number up like a 45 by criteria that we want to see when people like make a request and I think that could be done over email, okay,.

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I agree that email is probably the way to go here and look I just wanted to add. Also that the way I understood the community bridge terms and is when someone donates money, they can your market for something, but it's not required for the project to use it only for that. So we have the leeway to spend at AAG release if it okay.

B

I'd even know, even though it.

F

Says it in that look. That's right there. Oh those.

B

F

Project goals, I, do think, there's a general intent of mentoring, interns and things like that. That's yeah.

J

I mean there's a breakdown here of you know: 5% marketing, 45%, meetup, I, don't know where that came from it.

B

J

When I put together the original proposal- okay, okay, no I mean this sounds I was gonna say like whoever like made this up. I mean I'm joking, it's I think this is reasonable. I think.

B

Sarah Sarah from the actually.

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Don't think it was just like I, don't think it was just a machine just.

J

D

Idea behind those numbers is that chaos Khan is our biggest place where we spent money and bridge was created for mentoring. So you probably should also have some money there, and you also want some money. Father things I think.

B

J

No I was gonna say, like you know, I I would include like chaos Khan in the category of meetups, so you know some of that. Money I think is reasonable to spend some of it on on our twice a year gathering but yeah. Okay,.

B

We're done Bilal kind of a symbol, an email to send out to the borders. Okay,.

B

Anything else from folks good, all right, I'm I am good. A couple couple to-do lists things here and I will get that chaos weekly sent out today and I'm. Guessing all software is good. Yeah Chad I said it was all good. Yes, okay, thank you.

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It's updated all right and then we will all work to add pace yourself, work to add the repositories in there as well, and it cleanly thank all right. Everybody all right. Thank you. Productive tonight.