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From YouTube: CHAOSS Weekly Community Call 3/15/22
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B
All
right,
hi
everybody,
it's
march,
15th.
B
I
hope
everybody's
doing
well
as
well
as
you
know,
you
can
be
doing
when
the
world's
on
fire,
as
it
always
is,
seems
like,
but
here's
our
agenda,
if
you
would
not
mind
to
put
your
to
just
mark
your
your
name
down
here
under
a
list
of
attendees
as
a
chaotic
that
is
here
today.
B
We
would
appreciate
that,
but
of
course
you
do
not
have
to
do
that
as
always,
and
we
also
always
like
to
reiterate-
you
do
not
have
to
have
your
camera
on,
we
don't
care
we're
super
casual
here
and
if
you
would
prefer
to
chat
instead
of
instead
of
speaking
in
the
meeting,
that's
also
completely
valid,
and
we
do
try
to
incorporate
the
chat
in
the
meeting
so
now
that
that's
all
out
of
the
way,
let's
get
to
it.
B
So
the
first
one
is.
We
were
just
talking
about
this
before
we
started,
recording
we're
in
that
wonderful
time
of
year.
Where
time
zones
are
all
wacky,
the
u.s
has
moved
forward
an
hour.
Other
places
have
not
other
places
will
not
so
just
a
reminder
to
check
the
the
chaos
meetings
actually
should
check
all
your
meetings.
B
If
you're
dealing
with
anyone
in
the
us
just
to
make
sure
that
you
know
when
you're
supposed
to
be
doing
what,
so
all
the
single
source
of
truth
for
all
chaos
meetings
are
on
this
page
right
here
and
I
don't
know
why
it
didn't
link.
But
it's
on
this
page
right
here,
so
you
just
go
here:
you
go
to
the
little
calendar
and
it
will
tell
you
and
you
can
subscribe
to
the
chaos
calendar.
B
It'll
it'll
come
up
there.
We
go.
You
can
subscribe
to
this
calendar
if
you
don't
want
to
copy
everything
over
to
your
personal
calendars.
The
benefit
of
doing
so
is
if
these
meetings
change
and
they
do
occasionally
change
different
working
groups,
try
different
cadences
or
try
different
times
that
work
better
for
the
core
groups.
You
know
of
them
of
the
of
the
group
yeah,
so
things
might
change.
Subscribe
is
good
or
you
can
also
copy
it
over.
But
if
something
changes
it
won't
transfer
over
to
your
to
your
personal
calendar.
B
Does
anybody
have
questions
about
that?
I
don't
really
have
any
answers
because
yeah
I
don't
know,
I
just
do
what
I'm
told
with
the
times.
B
This
is
also
another
reminder
to
check
the
metrics
candidates
that
are
new,
there's
eight
of
them,
I
believe
eight
and
you
can
find
them
here
and,
if
you're
looking
for
a
way
to
ease
yourself
into
chaos.
This
is
my.
This
might
be
a
good,
a
good
thing
for
you.
We
have
these
metrics
that
are
in
under
review
for
the
next
release
in
april
and
before
we
release
them.
Officially,
we
give
a
30-day
open
public
review
period.
B
So
in
order
to
do
that,
all
you
would
do
is
click
on
this
to
read
the
metric.
This
is
what
the
metric
is
going
to
say
once
we
release
it.
So
if
you
see
something
in
here
that
doesn't
jive
with
your
experience
or
something
that
sounds
weird
or
is
confusing,
then
you
can
go
back
to
this
page
and
open
or
make
a
comment
in
this
issue
down
here.
B
C
So
they're
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
there
is.
B
B
Yes,
that
is
a
very
excellent
point,
so
you
can,
if
you're
here
and
you
see
something
yes,
you
can
just
go
straight
to
the
issue.
Good
point,
kevin
spam's,
calling
me
you
guys.
Should
I
pause
the
meeting
and
answer
we
can
all
have
a
fun
tournament
talking
to
spam
people.
Okay,
any
questions
about
that.
There,
like,
I
said,
there's
eight
of
them
and
they
all
are
on
this
page
here.
We'll
have
this
under
view
tag.
So
if
you
see
something
that
looks
interesting
to
you,
how
about
it.
B
You
have
you
do
have
a
couple
more
weeks
that
will
end
at
the
end
of
march
to
get
ready
for
the
april
release.
So
you
have
two
more
weeks
left.
B
All
right:
well,
let's
go
ahead.
We
are
plowing
through.
I
love
this.
So
currently,
just
an
update,
google
summer
of
code
students
are
completing
their
micro
tasks
that
were
listed
in
order
to
see
if
it's
a
project
that
they
want
to
be
part
of
for
the
summer,
just
wanted
to
throw
this
out
there.
So
you
probably
as
community
members,
will
see
a
lot
of
new
faces
as
we
have
been
seeing.
B
If
you
see
a
question
someone's
asking,
let's
all
kind
of
chip
in
and
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
just
just
acting
as
a
community
to
help
if
we
can
reaching
out
making
sure
people
can
find
what
they
need
and
can
and
have
the
information
they
need
to
complete
those
micro
tasks
if
they're
struggling
with
anything.
So
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
just
that
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
someone
else
to
answer.
If
we
know
the
answer,
we
can
just
jump
in.
B
It's
totally
fine
to
do
that
and
if
you
would
like
to
kind
of
just
help
in
an
informal
way,
there
is
a
google
there
is
a
slack
channel
called
gsoc.
Well
here,
I'll
just
copy
it
hang
on.
B
Will
that
work?
Maybe
no,
it
won't
okay,
it
is
gsoc
2h.
B
And
also
they
might
be
in
the
new
summer
channel
or
maybe
even
in
general,
so
the
group
effort
here
so
thank
you-
appreciate
everybody
jumping
in
and
helping
out
making
sure
that
everybody,
the
new
people,
can
find
what
they
need
and
that
they're
not
confused
and
languishing
out
there.
B
There
were
some
questions
on
how
one
becomes
a
formal
mentor,
so
I
was
going
to
throw
that
at
you,
sean
if
you
can
just
outline
for
us
the
quickly
the
mentorship
steps
that
if
somebody
wants
to
be
a
mentor,
what
would
they
do?
How
would
we
do
that.
B
A
For
google
summer
of
code,
it's
pretty
simple.
I
just
need
your
email
address
and
the
project
that
you
wish
to
be
a
mentor
for-
and
I
add
you
to
the
google
summer
of
code
mentor
list
in
our
portal
and
add
you
to
the
list
of
mentors
under
the
particular
project
or
projects
that
you
are
interested
in.
D
D
So
there
should
be
some
kind
of,
even
if
we
don't
take
it
too
seriously.
We
should
list
down
some
list
of
attributes
or
qualifications
that
people
should
have.
I
like
expectations.
A
D
Communication
bottleneck
and
things
like
that,
so
this
kind
of
expectations
really
helps
to
to
breach,
especially
the
students
that
might
be
having
creeping
with
that
context.
D
A
Yeah
those
those
are
stated
in
the
google
summer
of
code.
D
We
should
put
the
link
to
that
place
so
that
it's
just
for
us
to
just
make
sure
you
know
we
are
we
are.
We
are
on
the
same
page,
okay.
Where
would
you
suggest
I
put
that.
D
A
A
Sure
yeah
I
could,
I
could
put
google
summer
of
code
qualifications
at
the
top
of
mentor
qualifications
at
the
top
of
the
gsoc
page.
That's
fine.
B
We
also
have
a
a
slack
channel
right,
sean
for
mentors.
A
We
do
we,
we
probably
should
make
that
private
at
this
point,
since
the
students
are
now
in
there
and
that's
something
that
someone
suggested
when
I
initially
created
it.
But
I
thought
it
was
a
little
premature.
Then
I
think
it's
probably
appropriate
now
and
I
can
certainly
easily
go
in
there
and
do
that.
Okay,
like
right
now.
B
A
Okay,
okay
yeah,
just
I
yeah
I'll,
make
this
private
okay
and
as
soon
as
I
can
figure
out
how
to
do
that,
I'm
sure
it's
not
that
hard.
B
B
And
then
I
think
kevin
asked
this
about
the
informal
participant.
Is
there
any
space
for
someone
who
doesn't
want
to
maybe
commit
or
doesn't
have
the
right
qualifications
to
commit
full-time
to
being
a
mentor,
but
maybe
just
wants
to
help
in
a
supportive
role?
Is
that
is
there
a
place
for
that.
C
Additionally,
if
you
are
a
formal
mentor
for
the
project,
you
have
you're
part
of
the
voting
process
for
who
gets
selected,
and
then
you
also
have
to
provide
feedback
to
google.
C
So
perhaps
there's
another
level
of
mentor
that
doesn't
that
isn't
part
of
that
that
formal
process
where
they're
just
there
to
participate
and
help
out
is
that
is
that.
A
A
thing
I
mean,
that's
always
happened.
Informally,
there
have
been
people
who
are
not
named
mentors
who
do
help
out
informally,
but
we've
never
had
a
process
for
that.
A
B
And
then
I
see
the
next
question
is:
how
many
mentors
should
a
project
have?
Is
there
a
good
guideline
for
that
sean
in
your
in
your
experience.
A
A
I
I
think,
as
long
as
the
sort
of
main
coordination
mentor
knows,
who
they
are,
that
will
be
the
most
important
and
the
other
mentors
can
coordinate
with
them
so
that
we
don't
provide
the
students
with
conflicting
advice,
for
example,
but
I
don't
think
there's
a
limit.
Google
has
preferred
us
the
last
couple:
summers
to
have
at
least
two
or
three
mostly
because
of
pandemic
related
issues,
but
I
don't
see
those
being
as
significant
or
foregrounded
this
year.
H
G
So
I
found
this
project
organization,
the
page
which
I
would
like
to
decide
myself
and
you
know,
can
have
some
exploration
and
also
that
have
I
can
have
some
explosion
idea
with
the
g
sub
area,
which
I
have
think
aligned
with
my
own
idea
and
explore
something
with
the
existing
mentors
and
yeah
help
volunteer
this.
G
This
project,
which
I
really
I'm
interested
in
so
yeah-
that
only
that's
the
thing.
Actually,
I
was
taking
trigger
out
and
explore
much
as
much
as
possible.
B
All
right:
well,
I
guess
we're
good
to
go
forward.
Do
you
have
any
other
questions?
Anybody
can
ask
in
general
channel
will
point
you
to
the
right
direction.
It's
good
enough.
I
think.
B
Okay,
let's
move
on,
I
know
there's
been
discussions
about
moving
from
the
mailing
list
to
a
discussion
forum.
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
bring
this
back
to
the
group.
I
know
some
of
those
people
in
that
group
are
here.
I
just
wasn't
sure
what
are
our
next
steps?
Do
we
have
like
a
plan
of
action
or
like
what
are
we
what's?
What
are
we
doing.
B
Migrating
from
a
mailing
list
to
the
forum,
I
know
it
we're
not
gonna,
you
know
implement
that
overnight,
but
I
just
wondered
if
there's
something
which
like
is
what
what
I
feel
like
it's
kind
of
stalled
a
little
in
in
the
discussion,
and
I
just
wasn't
sure
of
like
what
what's
going
to
be
next
like
how
do
we
move
forward
with
it.
A
C
At
one
point
there
was
a
question
of
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
just
handle
the
discussion
in
the
slack
channel
or
if
we
wanted
to
have
a
zoom
meeting
to
to
go
over
it,
and
I
don't
think
we
ever
decided
on
either
way
so
is.
Are
we
at
the
point
where
we
need
to
have
a
zoo
meeting
to
kind
of
wrap
this
up.
I
H
B
A
B
B
B
Yeah,
okay,
cool
thanks,
everybody
all
right.
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
was
it's
just
an
fyi
that
all
things
open,
which
is
a
fantastic
open
source
conference
if
you've
never
attended
or
been
a
part
of
that,
it's
really
wonderful.
The
cfp
is
open.
Now
I
think
it
just
opened
today.
Maybe
at
least
I
just
found
out
about
it
today.
So
here
you
go
october.
30
is
november,
2nd
it's
in
the
us
in
raleigh
north
carolina,
which
is
a
really
fun
city.
If
you've
not
been
there
before,
it's
really
awesome.
B
We,
I
don't
think
chaos
will
do
anything
official
like
we
won't
have
any
kind
of
me
meet
up
or
anything
like
that.
We're
going
to
go
more
towards
oss
eu
for
chaos
con,
but
this
is
a
really
great
conference
and
someone's
saying
it
overlaps
with
kubecon
or
kubecon.
However,
you
choose
to
pronounce
that
in
detroit,
so
if
you
have
a
lot
allegiance
to
that,
maybe
that
will
be
that
will
get
your
attention
more
than
all
things
open
and
I
hate
when
things
overlap.
J
D
J
J
B
Okay,
so
we
always
say
this
too,
but
if
you're
a
first-time
speaker
or
a
relatively
inexperienced
speaker-
and
you
want
some
feedback
on
your
abstract
before
you
submit
something
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
who
have
done
a
lot
of
public
speaking
would
be
more
than
happy
to
have
a
quick
look
at
your
abstract
before
you
submit.
B
I
personally
also
volunteer,
usually
to
listen
to
talks
virtually
over
zoom.
If
you
want
someone
to
to
be
your
your
sounding
board,
your
guinea
pig,
your
first
run,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
do
that
as
well.
So
I
usually
use
my
dog
for
that
and
it's
like
she's
very
attentive,
but
she
doesn't
really
provide
the
best
feedback
on
ways
I
can
improve.
So
I
will
be.
I
will
be
your
dog.
I
will
be
your
puppy
and
I
will
listen
to
you.
Give
you
feedback
so
yeah
any
questions
about
any
of
that
stuff.
B
A
I
do
think
we
have
probably
we're
starting
to
basically
a
look
at
some
of
the
old
metrics
as
we
get
memos
from
matt
and
elizabeth,
but
I
think,
more
importantly
and
interestingly,
we'll
begin
the
development
of
metrics
models
related
to
evolution
and
other
kinds
of
activity
metrics,
which
I
think
really
are
used
a
great
deal
in
practice,
and
we
could,
I
think,
the
those
metrics
could
benefit
from
some
greater
discussion.
We
did
release,
I
think
two
metrics
and
some
updates
in
the
most
recent
release.
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
Resolution
and
then
community
growth,
so
conversion
rate
is
another
one
of
the
metrics
at
what
rates
new
contributors
become
sustained
contributors.
Things
like
that,
so
it's
really
interesting
stuff.
It's
a
good!
It's
a
good
working
group.
I
like
that
working
group,
a
lot.
B
Do
you
want
to
see
just
for
for
fun,
since
we
have
a
couple
of
minutes?
Let's
just
look
at
what
are
some
of
the
ideas
that
are
in
the
spreadsheet,
so
here
are
some
that
are
considering
some
that
are
in
progress.
B
And
as
sean
said,
they'll
be
looking
more
of
like
what
metrics
models
are
like
what
metrics
can
be
developed
here
that
will
feed
into
some
of
the
metrics
models
group
and
the
metrics
models
group
meets
the
c
well
for
me,
it's
this
evening
at
6pm,
us
central.
So
that's
also
another
group
that
you
all
can
join
as
well,
so,
okay
and
if
you're
looking
for
that
spreadsheet,
it's
at
the
top
of
well,
not
this
one
but
of
any
of
the
working
group.
Docs,
that's
spreadsheet
links
so
yeah.
B
B
All
right
and-
and
that
is
really
the
end
of
the
agenda,
so
I
don't
know
what
else
do
we
have
that's
on
your
mind,
this
is
the
usually
the
time
where
the
good
conversations
really
get
sparked
here,
because
we
got
20
minutes
left
which
you
can
either
have
back
or
we
can
keep.
J
A
H
B
Well,
that's
matt
next
week
but
gone
to
your
point.
Maybe
it's
time
to
reconvene
the
chaos
con
planning
committee
is
that,
do
you
think
that's
reasonable.
B
Yeah,
I
agree
so,
let's.
C
That's
a
locked
slack
channel
by
the
way.
So,
if
anyone
is
interested
in
being
on
that
committee,
they
need
to
get
invited
which
committee
the
kscon.
A
B
So
for
anybody
that
would
like
to
help
out
with
planning
the
next
chaos
con,
let
let
me
know
or
yeah
just
let
me
know
on
slack
and
I
will
add
you
to
that
and
then
just
for
anybody
who's
not
or
who
might
be
new
to
chaos.
So
usually,
when,
like
at
this
time
of
year,
the
chaos
con
committee
might
meet
like
I
don't
know,
maybe
once
once
a
month
or
or
so
every
other
week,
something
like
that
and
what
we
do
is
we
try
to
piggyback
it
with
this
meeting.
B
So
we
would
end
this
meeting
a
little
bit
early
and
give
give
time
for
the
chaos
committee
to
plan
at
the
end
of
this
meeting.
So
if
you're
worried
about
you,
know
time
constraints
and
fitting
another
meeting
in,
we
try
to
kind
of
work
with
that.
So
yeah.
B
So,
just
let
us
know,
I
think
there
will
be
again
a
virtual
component.
If
I
had
to
guess
I
would
say
that
would
be.
Our
goal
is
to
have
another
virtual
component
of
this,
so
I'm
sure
we
can
use
some
if
you
have
experience
with
that,
we
can
probably
use
your
help
in
making
that
happen,
and
that
always
seems
to
be
a
little
tricky
for
conferences
to
to
do
that.
So.
J
J
So,
if
you
just
want
to
understand
and
keep
up
with,
what's
going
on
in
chaos
con
most
of
that
will
be
in
the
open
channel,
it's
only
if
you
want
to
get
involved
in
like
the
nitty
gritty
details
and
logistics
that
you
should
ask
us
about
joining
the
chaos
con
committee.
B
Know
if
to
have
their
head
well
wait.
I
can.
I
bet
it's
back
here
when
the
k
when
ossu
is
september
13th
in
dublin,
ireland,
so
some
some
point
either
before
or
after
that
conference
is
when
chaos
con
will
be.
B
Okay,
other
questions
about
chaos
con.
We
also
have
a
just
for
the
planning
people.
We
also
have
that
thread
of
feedback
from
last
kscon
that
we
should
remember
to
look
at
putting
that
out
there.
So
I'm
not
the
only
one.
That
remembers
that,
because
I
will
forget
immediately
after
this
call
is
over
elizabeth.
D
B
A
C
I,
like
the
half
day
with
a
like
group
activity
that
occurs
afterwards,
so
I
thought
I
thought
that
was
nice,
especially
if
we're
doing
virtual,
because
a
full
day
virtual
conference
is
difficult.
First
yeah.
B
B
All
right,
and
also
let
me
since
we're
talking
about
this-
let
me
just
go
to
nope
chaos.
Let's
go
to
this,
so
people
know
where
this
threat
is.
If
you
have,
if
you
have
feedback,
if
you
were
at
chaos
con
last
year,
and
you
have
feedback
that
you
remember
that
you
didn't
give
us.
Let
me
drop
this
in
the
link
here
in
the
minutes.
B
We
can
still
take
that
feedback
or
if
you
have
been
to
a
conference
and
you've,
seen
something
that
you
really
liked
a
lot,
and
you
want
to
pass
that
along
to
us.
We
would
love
to
have
that
or
something
you
really
hated
a
lot.
B
We
could
also
that's
also
valid
feedback,
so
here's
the
place
where
we're
just
collecting
all
of
it
and
then
we'll
sort
through
it
all
and
see
so.
Yeah
just
want
to
open
that
up.
B
I
Sometimes
when
I
take
off
my
headphones,
like
zoom
loses
my
audio
stream,
I'm
right
into
a
challenge
that
I
was
curious
if
anyone
else
who's
been
looking
at
github
blogs,
as
we
all
do,
where
I'm
having
an
increasing
difficulty,
differentiating
automated
activity
versus
actually
human
triggered
activity-
and
I
was
wondering
if
this
is
maybe
larger
than
a
two-minute
conversation,
but
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
if
others
had
approached
this
with
any
particular
systematic
fix
or
investigation,
to
help
provide
more
clarity
on
what
is
driving
the
individual
logs.
I
H
I
was
saying
like
in
my
analysis
that
I
have
used
so
far
for
the
github
is
like.
I
tried
to
identify
bought,
especially
in
the
project
that
I'm
looking
at
by
manually
looking
at
the
list,
and
then
I
filter
those
out
of
interaction
like
for
my
analysis,
that's
the
one
way.
One
approach
that
I
have
seen,
I'm
not
sure,
is
there
any
automated
system,
because
bot
has
the
same
identity
like
a
human
on
a
github.
I
H
I
Very
challenging
we
do
filter
out
bots,
so
we're
only
looking
at
known
people,
but
increasingly
I'm
running
into
issues
where
I
always
kind
of
like
filter
out
outliers,
or
look
for
outliers
to
see
if
there's
anything
else
going
on
and
have
encountered
more
cases
of
people
that
are
running
scripts
from
personal
accounts.
So
it's
being
logged
as
a
person
and
unless
you
enforce
a
specific
type
of
label
or
comment
in
the
in
the
sort
of
the
open
text,
fields
that
can
be
captured
in
the
payload
of
the
event
blog.
I
H
Not
exactly,
but
from
my
past
experience
one
thing
I
observed,
I
was
doing
ip
tracing
for
the
contributors
and
there
was
a
ip00
for
a
lot
of
contributors
and
zero.
Zero
normally
goes
for
a
bot
because
you
don't
have
exact
like
zero.
If
you
look
at
the
zero
longitude
and
latitude
on
the
google
map,
it
is
somewhere
in
the
pacific
in
middle,
so
from
that
identify
it
is
a
bought
rather
than
a
human.
This
is
how
like
some
of
the
ways
I
have
tracked
out,
the
balls.
B
I
know
we
also
had
a
metric
around
bot
activity,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
don't
know
if
we
talked
about
when
humans
are
running
their
own
personal
scripts,
but
that
might
be
a
let's
see
what
that's
what
this
metric
is.
C
C
J
Yeah
and
it's
something
that
varies
so
much
by
project-
I
mean
I
in
a
lot
of
my
metrics.
I
I
manually
filter
out
a
lot
of
the
bots,
because
they
don't
necessarily
I
mean
they're
called
weird
things
and
they're
generated
by
you
know
something
in
our
ci
cd
pipelines,
and
I
don't
know,
maybe
people
are
running
scripts
too.
It's
just
like
when
I
find
one.
That's
a
bot
or
looks
like
a
bot.
I
have
to
go
and
check
and
make
sure
it's
a
bot.
J
I've
also
got
a
couple
people
with
really
weird
usernames
that
look
like
box
that
aren't
bots.
So
those
those
are
fun
too,
but
it's
a
hard
problem.
I
Yeah
easier
to
do
like
I
agree
like
within
a
project
where
I
can
just
go
ping.
Someone
and
I
know
the
people
I
can
better
understand,
what's
happening
for
not
those
things
I
I
have
been
leading
a
bit
on
lucas's
spot
list
in
the
devstep
project,
which
is
a
pretty
good,
like
lengthy
list
that
you
could
find
in
that
repository,
but
even
within
that
you
can
kind
of
see
how
github
actions
are
showing
up
and
those
are
kind
of
coming
into
sort
of
standard-ish
label
types.
I
So
I
feel
like
we're
getting
better
at
keeping
shared
lists
publicly,
but
that
doesn't
fix
the
people
running
automated
things
and
whether
or
not
I
guess
more.
I
Just
from
like
a
metrics
perspective,
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
how
to
evaluate
that
as
a
metric.
If
we're
looking
at
activity
logs
and
metrics
that
are
ideally,
human
driven,
it
was
initiated
by
a
human,
but
the
scale
of
activity
is
now
being
executed
by
a
machine
so
kind
of
to
me
devalue
some
of
those
metrics.
If
you
aren't
able
to
actively
filter
them
out
or
actively
label
them
as
a
different
kind
of
log.
C
And
then
I
was
just
going
to
add
the
time
time
to
first
response
is
one
of
those
metrics
that
becomes
almost
meaningless.
If
you,
if
you
don't
remove
bot
activity
from
the
from
the
equation
right.
I
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
know
if
you
work
with
kubernetes.
They
have
some
auto
closed
policies
too,
that,
depending
on
what
you're
tracking
will
invalidate
some
metrics,
let's
see
if
I
can
find.
B
This
before
we
sign
off
yeah,
I
remember
talking
about
this
metric
and
this
this
right
here,
bots
that
require
human
interaction.
That
was
a
big
conversation
because,
like
in
our
dei
magic
bot,
there
are
pieces
that
you
know
we
we
as
a
human,
I
would
initiate
it,
then
the
bot
that
does
the
work
so
like
does
it
count.
I
mean
because
I
actually
did
have
to
interact.
I
had
to
make
it
do
its
thing,
but
then
it
does
its
thing,
so
that
also
kind
of
does
that
count
as
an
activity.
You
know
like
it's.
D
Yeah
elizabeth:
I
think
that
is
an
interesting
question
and
giving
that
a
lot
of
cicd
pipelines
automated
these
days-
and
this
also
counts
on
sustainability,
which
is
health
related
I'll,
give
a
simple
example:
suppose
you
push
the
commit
and
that
commit
has
tons
of,
let's
say
some
code
similars.
D
They
will
generate
a
lot
of
waste
resources
to
fail
and
in
most
cases
I
was
just
thinking
that
we
should
also
think
about
this
kind
of
carbon
prints,
because
we
are
talking
about
energy
in
terms
of
health.
These
days,
if
you
have
to
run,
let's
say
your
ci
cd
multiple
times
to
get
a
commit
push,
you
are
wasting
a
lot
of
resources,
and
that
is
health
related,
because
we
are
talking
now
of
in
climate
change
and
all
these
things,
those
things
are
spinning
up
processes.
D
So
a
bad
commit
has
direct
implication
of
those
kind
of
activities.
Now
might
be
we
we
will
say:
oh
I'm,
not
in
responsible
for
how
the
the
pipeline
is
the
automation
or
the
efficiency
or
things
like
that.
But
then
they
commit
activity
spin,
those
type
of
things
and
it's
it
has
been
studied,
and
it's
something
that
it's
also
interesting
is
very
much
relates
with
what
we
are
doing
at
the
kiosk
kind
of
community.
J
She's
gonna
say
that's
a
really
good
point.
I
know
we've
had
some
discussions,
I
think
so
open
uk,
which
I'm
a
part
of
also
has
a
big
sustainability
initiative,
and
I
think
that
amanda's
been
talking
to
sean
and
matt
and
a
few
other
people
about.
Maybe
maybe
we
need
some
better
sustainability
metrics,
so
not
sustainability
of
the
code
base,
but
more
on
environmental
sustainability,
because
it
is,
it
is
a
big
issue.
I
mean
we.
J
We
just
looked
at
this
for
the
k
native
project
because,
as
a
part
of
transferring
it
from
google
to
the
cncf,
when
it
was
under
google,
like
the
the
google
resources
were
sort
of
free,
and
so
we
weren't
looking
at
it
from
a
sustainability
standpoint.
We
were
looking
at
it
from
how
do
we
pay
for
all
of
these
cloud
resources
that
we
use
and
which
ones
do
we
actually
need?
Or
can
we
be
more?
J
Can
we
be
more
efficient
and
I
think
those
discussions
are
still
sort
of
sort
of
ongoing,
but
you
know
especially
when
nobody's
really
paying
for
that
cloud
infrastructure.
Sometimes
we
use
it
as
projects
in
really
wasteful
ways
that
are
not
good.
For
the
environment,
without
really
thinking
about
it
from
that
standpoint
right
because
nobody,
I
don't
know,
we
don't
always
think
about
it,
and
so
I
think
I'm
starting.
I
I
know
we're
basically
at
time
is
this:
I
know
don
everything
is
seemingly
falling
to
the
common
working
group,
but
is
this?
I
know
that
bots
were
discussed
in
common
if
we
did
want
to
bring
that
back
up
or
sort
of
further
on
discussions.
Would
that
be
an
appropriate
place?
If
we
didn't
want
to
talk
about
the
sustainability
factor
with
that
go
to
another
group.
J
That's
a
good
question:
we
could,
we
could
probably
talk
about
it
in
common
and
and
see
what
we
see
what
we
think,
but
if
it
becomes,
if
it
becomes
more
than
like,
we
could
create
a
new
focus
area.
If
it's
just
a
few
metrics,
if
it
becomes
something
bigger,
maybe
we
need.
Maybe
we
need
a
sustainability
working
group
like
we
have
with
with
dei
and
evolution
and
risk.
J
D
Because
I
think
evolution
would
really
fit
with
sustainability
because
it
deals
with
you
know.
It
has
a
lot
of
components
that
evolution
have
been
working
with
and
you
know
keeping
it
in
that
same
light.
It
will
still
cross
have
some
cross-platform
components,
because
we
may
have
different
phase
site
in
which
we
look
at
it,
but
I
think
evolution
will
really
be
a
better
place
also
to
to
discuss
this
kind
of
thing.
C
So
evolution
is
about
the
lifestyle
or
the
the
life
cycle
and
the
activity
in
the
project,
so
I
think
sustainability
absolutely
fits
in
evolution
so
plus
one
to
that.
B
Works
for
me
now
we
are
actually
a
little
over
time,
so
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
that.
Do
we
want
to
put
this
on
the
agenda
for
common
or
evolution?
What
did
we
decide?
Evolution.
B
B
Thank
you
sophia
for
bringing
that
whole
thing
up,
because
it
led
into
really
cool
conversations
appreciate
it
all
right,
everybody
you
are
done
with
us,
so
I
hope
you
have
an
enjoyable
rest
of
your
day.
Stay
safe,
stay
healthy
and
we
will
see
you
same
time
same
place
next
week.
Take
care
everyone
all.