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CHAOSS.Community.June.9.2020
A
B
C
D
A
Just
so
I
so
folks
have
it
in
the
minutes
there
yeah,
if
you
could
add
yourself
to
the
to
the
list,
that
would
be
great
and
here's
what
elizabeth
has
done
Elizabeth.
Could
you
maybe
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself?
You
know
just
who
you
are
I,
don't
think.
You've
met
everybody
on
the
call,
and
you
know
so.
D
Yeah
I've
been
around
in
open
source
and
technology
for
a
really
long
time.
I
used
to
be
a
PHP
developer,
go
PHP,
their
birthday
was
yesterday.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
that.
I
just
thought.
I'd
give
me
a
shout-out
yeah,
so
I
started
as
a
PHP
developer.
I
really
enjoyed
the
PHP
community.
A
lot
I'm
super
friendly,
very
helpful
I,
remember,
choosing
between
PHP,
ASP
and
PHP
was
all
open-source
and
super
friendly.
D
So
I
went
that
direction
and
never
looked
back
so
yeah
I've
been
that
SourceForge
I
worked
at
SourceForge
for
a
while,
as
their
community
manager,
which
was
super
interesting
and
I
will
tell
you
stories
about
that.
Sometime
in
the
future,
I
also
worked
at
Engine,
Yard
and
github.
I
worked
at
github
for
about
five
and
a
half
years,
and
then
I
worked
at
Pebble
for
about
six
months
and
then
in
the
last
18
months,
I
have
not
been
in
technology.
I've
been
working
as
a
nature
photographer.
D
A
I
think
all
of
us
will
be
seeing
Elizabeth
around
in
any
of
the
different
calls
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
yeah
right
on
all
right.
So
next
thing
on
at
least
on
the
list
here
on
the
minutes,
is
yesterday
we
had
a
web
page
a
thon
and
we
spent
a
couple
hours
going
through
the
web
page.
It
had
gotten
kind
of
old
and
creaky
in
some
of
the
corners
it
needed
some
updating.
So
honestly,
we
just
spent
time
kind
of
walking
through
each
one
of
the
issues
and
PRS
and
just
resolving
I.
A
A
E
B
A
Cool
thank
you
Kevin.
Who
was
still
there
Kevin
DF
comments
at
all.
F
A
A
E
B
Is
I
put
this
ago?
Stein
maja
is
researcher
professor
and
his
team
is
Reid
is
taking
surveys
that
we're
done
between
fifteen
years
ago
on
motivation
in
open-source
and
anyone
who
is
looking
at
academic
research
on
motivation
for
contribute
to
open
source.
The
both
of
the
work
is
starting
to
get
really
dusty
and
how
data,
because
open
source
has
changed
quite
a
bit
in
the
last
ten
years,
and
the
research
into
motivation
has
altered
there,
and
so
the
eaters
team
is
taking
those
surveys.
B
They've
updated
it
a
little
bit
they're
trying
to
replicate
the
research
in
today's
time
and
they've,
a
survey
that
takes
about
15-20
minutes
to
take
and
they
would
like
help
with
spreading
it,
and
so
I
thought
I'd
share
that
effort
here,
because
you're
in
chaos,
we
want
to
know
what
makes
open
source
projects
healthy
motivation
is.
A
big
part
of
that
survey
is
in
line
with
tools
that
we
use
and
promote,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see.
If
anyone
wants
to
help
spread
the
work
or
just
take
the
survey
than
yourselves.
B
G
B
A
B
H
D
Only
thing
I
might
put
a
little
bit
of
context
around
it
because
it
doesn't
look
like
they
really
explained
like
who
they
are
in
this
and
like
what
they're
doing
so
I
mean
I,
guess
at
the
bottom.
It
talks
a
little
bit
about
I.
Don't
know
you
might
just
want
to
like
make
sure
people
know
that
it's
safe
and
not
just
like
some
or
like
give
them.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
context
and
motivation
to
fill
it
out.
I
think
cuz.
If
I
saw
this
I
would
maybe
question
like?
Oh
is
my?
D
B
One
of
the
ideas
would
also
be
maybe
to
have
a
blog
post
community
talk
about
the
state
of
research
and
why
this
updated
view
is
necessary
and
not
so
much
as
a
hey.
Please
take
the
survey,
but
really
the
background
of.
Why
does
this
actually.
J
A
A
All
right
so
Georg
your
remaining
up
at
the
moment.
So
yesterday
this
was
me.
I
was
asking
for
so
one
of
the
things
that
actually
step
back
just
a
bit
here.
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
yesterday-
and
it
was
a
comment
that
you
had
made
Georg-
was
that
as
the
cass
project
continues
to
grow,
it's
difficult
to
know
how
all
corners
of
the
project
operate.
So
the
way
that
things
operate
is
is
becoming
decentralized,
which
is
fine,
but.
B
B
B
Let
me
have
nail
town
so
just
just
to
start
at
the
beginning,
the
chaos
cast
is
part
of
the
community
and
when
you
go
there
you
we
currently
have
three
episodes
like
the
next
one
will
be
published
on
Friday,
so
every
Friday
we
are
publishing
a
new
episode
and
just
if
you're
interested
in
metrics
I've
pulled
up
the
metrics
we
have
currently
today
I'm
in
work,
eighty-five
downloads.
So
far,
that's
pretty
good
yeah.
B
You
can
see
how
that
the
first
episode
got
the
most
number
of
downloads
and
then
two
and
three
not
yet
I
just
applied
on
Friday
to
be
added
to
iTunes,
stitcher
Spotify,
all
those
platforms.
So
once
we
are
on
those
platforms,
I
assume
these
numbers
will
go
up,
but
it
takes
a
long.
So
as
as
we
are
building
out
different
areas
of
chaos
and
chaos.
Class
is
the
one
that
I
just
leading
I.
Think
it's
super
important
to
document
how
everything
is
working.
So
in
the
handbook
I
created
this
page
chaos
Kass.
B
The
metroburg
was
very
helpful
in
describing
all
the
process
that
we
are
having
and
filling
out
all
this.
So
if
you
go
to
this
website,
we
have
a
gigantic
table
of
content,
just
because
we
want
to
describe
everything
that
is
involved
in
this
podcast
and
one
of
the
key
things,
because
this
is
a
community
effort-
is
were
the
people
involved.
That
was
one
of
the
questions
matter.
B
B
A
B
B
So
I'm
going
to
skip
a
lot
of
this
and
go
down
to
procedures.
We
have
a
section
on
procedures
and
one
matters
interested
in
scheduling
an
episode,
and
it
follows
in
two
steps:
one
is
determined
the
guests
or
panelists
so
either
someone
says:
hey.
I
would
like
to
come
on
the
podcast.
We
have
someone
like
it.
Stewart
had
an
idea,
she
didn't
open
any
saying:
hey
I,
have
these
people
I
think
what
he
could
to
come
on
the
podcast
and
then
we
figure
out.
Okay,
do
you
want
to
come
on?
B
What
does
your
availability
and
then
we
created
Google,
and
we
sent
it
out
to
the
panelists,
so
the
long
list
of
people
from
the
community
that
we
had
presented
out,
we
find
date
and
time
we
nail
that
down,
and
then
we
do
step
two
where
we
sent
out
specific
calendar,
invite
the
organized
recording
we
put
together
a
document
all
that
if
you
are
interested,
so
this
is
the
general
process,
it's
fairly
detailed.
If
you
read
through
it,
you
should
have
enough
sense
to
execute
it
yourself.
B
B
Episode
overview
table
or
a
planning
document
where
we
have
things
that
we
are
currently
working
on.
So
this
is
the
planning
stage
and
we
keep
track
of
the
guests.
We
want
to
invite
the
top
aides
who
is
organizing
it
once
B.
This
is
during
step,
one
as
we
are
talking
to
the
potential
guests.
Once
we
have
the
guests
scheduled,
it
moves
down
to
recording
and
editing,
so
the
next
one
that
is
scheduled
is
Chris
energy.
Well,
actually,
there
should
be
one
with.
B
So
that
that
should
be
added
here
and
then
once
that's
scheduled,
we
have
the
recording
then
goes
into
editing
and
once
editing
is
done,
it
goes
into
ready
for
scheduling,
and
then
we
have
the
last
table
and
this
is
the
released
episodes
that
are
going
on
to
our
podcast
apps.
So
that's
that's
the
process
of
how
an
episode
comes
to.
A
A
A
A
E
K
B
I
I
was
gonna,
throw
it
out
there
that
you
know
there
is.
We
started
out
with
the
particular
intention
of
recording
max
like
every
other
week
and
then
publishing
once
a
month,
and
then
we
just
realized
how
much
talent
and
interest
we
have
in
this
community
and
wanted
to.
You
know,
provide
room
for
that
to
happen.
So
I'd
certainly
say,
like
things
are
flying
fast
in
the
sense
that,
like
you'll,
see
if
you're
on
the
podcast
email
you'll
just
get
asked.
I
If
you
want
to
join
any
of
these
panels
that
are
all
happening
simultaneously
and
I
think
we
just
landed
on
this
document
to
be
a
good
default
structure,
so
you
can
see
like
what's
happening.
When
is
it
happening?
You
know
and
who's
on
point
for
it
I
think
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
it's
still
as
a
panelist
or
organizer.
It's
still
not
clear
exactly
when
you're
needed
to
join
versus.
You
could
join
that.
That's
still
a
challenge
that
will
figure
out
dot
dot
because
because
we're
refining
our
practice
there
yeah.
C
I
I
think,
ultimately,
choosing
how
many
people
to
join
is
one
of
the
responsibilities
of
the
organizer,
but
I
would
say
like
one
of
the
challenges
is.
Like
you
don't
know,
we
don't
have
like
a
specific
slot
where
we're
recording,
because
we
tend
to
work
around
guest
schedules
so
like
shooting
out
to
find
out
who's
available
and
then
filtering
from
there.
C
C
C
I
H
A
And
the
organizers
are
all
responsible
for
the
the
recording
and
all
of
the
editing
is
that
right,
so
the
panelists
really
have
no
role
in
that
they
just
they
take
part
in
the
planning
document.
So
there's
always
a
document
as
well
that
kind
of
precedes
the
podcast
for
each
person
and
so
that
planning
document
would
have
the
guest
one
organizer
and
two
panelists
is
that
right?
Yes,
at
least
that
was
what
Matt
had
kind
of
implied
that
there
would
be
one
organizer
and
maybe
Derek
I
forget,
but.
E
Questions
and
I
think
you're
I
mean
I
will
say
that
gergan
Matt
kind
of
Rober.
Can
you
give
us
some
consistency
right
now
and
that
is
I.
Think
that's
going
to
be
helpful
for
people
to
find
the
podcast
to
be
a
series.
That's
got
some
coherence
to
it
that
that
they're
not
randomly
different
from
each
other
I
mean
if
you
really
want
to
build
an
audience.
I
think
I
think
having
someone
that
sort
of
helps
us
all
learn
the
patterns
to
follow.
B
B
E
E
B
A
J
B
B
G
B
D
E
E
A
B
And
as
a
panelist,
what
you
agreed
to
is
that
every
time
we
are
looking
for
promise
that
we
can
and
if
you,
if
you
have
time
and
then
you
are
selected
because
as
Don
mentioned,
there
may
be
more
than
two
panelists
at
a
time
the
not
everyone
will
be
selected.
But
if
you're
selected
that
then
you
joined
the
call,
you
helped
the
questions
and
have
a
nice
conversation
and
that's
it.
Okay,.
A
A
H
G
I
I
E
G
A
Alright,
so
next
thing
that
I'm
so
is,
is
we
have
to
return
to
this?
They
get
lab,
get
up
thing.
We
really
only
have
about
you,
know
10
or
15
minutes
and
today
in
last
I
think
it
was
the
last
community
call
I
missed
for
some
reason.
I
can't
remember
what
my
so
grimore
lab
had
come
on
to
talk
about
the
migration
it
might
have
been
two
weeks
ago,
I.
E
A
E
E
Testing
a
deployment
migration,
although
migration
from
one
environment
to
another,
although
all
the
things
that
just
are
part
of
maintaining
an
open-source
software
project
and
doing
it
with
student
labor,
which
is
I,
probably
the
biggest
difference
between
grimore
lab
and
auger-
is
that
we
don't
mean
I,
don't
have
any,
what
I
call
professional
developers,
they're,
very
professional
and
very
skilled,
but
they're.
Also
they
don't
have
the
experience
that
the
groom
or
lab
folks
have.
So
it's
just
more
work
for
the
team
that
I
have,
which
is
a
very
good
team,
but
they're.
E
E
So
yeah
stop
talking
it's
just
it's
just
like
big.
It's
it's
a
in
the
hundreds
of
hours
at
beast
of
human
timing.
When
you
start
getting
into
the
hundreds
of
hours
and
like
I,
get
to
do
a
more
detailed
estimate,
but
I've
only
got
Carter
and
game
for
one
more
semester.
I
really
don't
want
them
to
spend
that
whole
semester
doing
a
migration
I.
A
Think
these
are
fair
points,
questions
or
comments
for
Sean,
specifically
about
ardor,
and
the
impact
I
mean
to
me
if,
if
one
of
the
pieces
of
software
really
looks
at
this
move,
I'm
just
speaking
on
my
own
behalf
here,
but
if
one
of
the
pieces
of
software
that's
really
critical
to
the
caste
project
is
looking
at
this
move
is
a
huge
lift
and
potentially
problematic,
given
their
resources
that
you
had
that's
what
I
was
hearing.
You
say:
Sean
yeah
I
mean.
E
A
C
E
Yeah,
the
other
thing
somebody
pointed
out
to
me
and
is
that
all
its
major
it's
my
attention
after
last
week's
meeting
when
I
wasn't
there?
Is
it
every
other
Linux
Foundation
project
is
on
github,
so
this
would
be
a
pretty
big
move
off
the
platform
or
all
of
the
other
projects
are
does
I
understand
it.
I
mean
that's,
maybe
not
a
reason
not
to
do
it,
but
that
definitely
gave
me
pause
like
maybe
that
yeah.
That
also
gave
me
pause
and.
C
To
be
honest,
I
mean
looking
at
the
the
upside,
like
the
reasons
that
we
wanted
to
move
to
get
love
from
my
standpoint
are
not
particularly
compelling
they
weren't.
You
know
we
weren't
stuck
on
something.
There
wasn't
like
a
huge
roadblock,
that's
preventing
us
from
from
doing
productive
work.
It
was
kind
of
felt
kind
of
like
a
nice-to-have
and
I.
Don't
think
sort
of
a
nice-to-have
is
worth
the
turmoil.
That's
going
to
be
caused
in
the
project.
I
Yeah,
my
understanding
is
part
of
the
like
I
following
projects
that
are
moving
from
github
to
get
lab,
and
it
tends
to
be
on
the
philosophical
note
that
get
lab
is
just
open
source
both
and
its
user
experience
and
it's
actual
product
and
while
I
that
and
I
know,
particularly
you
know,
the
grimore
lab
people
are
passionate
about
the
free
software
side
of
floss
and
and
upholding
that.
But
so
I
wonder
if
that
was
part
of
the
motivator.
I
But
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
with
Don's
point
that
the
the
lift
and
the
separation
from
the
core
community
of
the
Linux
Foundation
and
what
we're
already
doing
is
a
huge
risk
that
is
difficult
to
impossible
to
calculate
so
I'd
be
more
interested
in.
If
we
were
to
take
any
steps,
it
would
be
something
on
like
what
does
it
look
like
to
automatically
have
a
fork
over
on
gitlab.
I
E
A
Okay,
so
yeah
I
feel
like
this
is
slowly
coming
to
a
halt
towards
not
moving
I'm
just
trying
to
listen
to
the
conversation
and
because
this
is
kind
of
an
all-or-nothing
kind
of
thing.
The
chaos
project
either
goes
as
a
group
all
or
we
don't
go.
That's
kind
of
my
take
on
it
because
there
are
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
here
that
it's
looking
to
me
like.
This
is
not
going
to
happen
again,
I'm
just
one
person,
but
that's
how
I'm,
like
looking
at
the
discussion.
A
C
J
C
B
One
of
the
avenues
that
I
would
still
be
open
to
exploring
is
to
move
just
all
up,
because
there
is
very
loose
coupling
between
the
different
projects
and
credit
is
not
even
in
the
chaos
organization
on
github
and
badging
is
now
also
its
own
github
or
so
completely
else
somewhere
else.
So
maybe
that
is
something
they
can
at
least
think
about
to
get
the
grimoire
lab
team.
The
option
to
use
the
features
they're
looking
to.
E
B
C
Think
it's
a
community
thing,
not
an
aesthetic
thing.
It's
about
it's
about,
building
community,
around
chaos
as
a
whole,
mm-hmm,
the
metrics
and
the
tools
and
everything
kind
of
kind
of,
as
one
thing
that
feels
more
cohesive-
that
we
can
build
a
community
around.
That
would
be
my
concern
about
fragmenting
it
off
in
two
separate
places:
yeah.
E
A
A
All
right
in
just
a
couple
minutes
here,
Venu
I
saw
that
you
had
added
something.
J
J
J
At
this
point,
no,
we
are
receiving
a
couple
of
students
who
are
interested
to
contribute
I'm
redirecting
them
to
the
community
mailing
list,
I
calculate
sending
them
details
about
mailing
lists
and
the
community
calls,
but
I
didn't
get
any
updates
from
the
Linux
Foundation.
Okay,.
B
K
B
B
A
E
A
E
I
E
Yeah
yeah
and
it's
rst
is
the
restructured
text.
Is
the
syntax,
so
I
had
to
learn
that
in
the
last
year
and
then
okay,
you
know
I,
know
markdown
no
lay
tech.
So
give
me
other
syntax.
Let's
do
it.
They're
like
programming
languages
pick
up
another
one.
I
mean
this
actually
looks
pretty
snazzy
like
a
person.
You
would
need
to
know
less
about
coding
than
you
do
with
markdown
and
restructure
text
and
latex.
It
looks
like,
and
so
hey
ya
book
is
that
what
you're
looking
at.