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B
So,
just
previously
I
sent
an
email
about
today's
agenda.
So
sorry,
shall
we
talk
about
the
agenda?
First
yeah.
B
C
B
C
Hi
everyone
hi-
I
may
have
to
leave
after
30
minutes,
because
I
have
to
attend
the
badging
weekly
meeting.
So
I
I
may
just
start
first,
okay
yeah
as
most
of
the
community
members
in
the
meeting
may
know,
I
worked
with
kel's
eye
badging
program
as
a
season
of
dog
intern
for
the
past
three
months,
but
actually
I
came
across
kiosk
in
early
this
year,
because
the
research
topic
in
my
laboratory
is
to
do
some
measurements
of
open
source
projects
on
github,
and
we
found
chaos
is
using
metrics
to
do
similar
things
so
yeah.
C
There
are
many
junctions
here.
I
think
we
can
utilize
and
work
together
and
now
things
now
we
are
also
talking
about
next
year's
house
call
may
be
held
in
china
and
even
the
conference
venue.
As
I
said
from
the
last
last
meetings,
agent
meeting
minutes
of
the
conference
may
vernon
may
be
east
china,
normal
university,
which
is
a
school
where
I'm
in,
and
I
I
really
wish
to
help
with
propagandizing
chaos
in
china
and
extend
the
influence
in
asia
area,
maybe
and
my
chinese
mentor,
plus
jian
and
kwon.
C
Here,
together
we
are
thinking
of
holding
a
kiosk
local
meetup
in
shanghai
beijing
just
in
this
year's
december.
So
my
question
is:
are
there
any
suggestions
from
the
community
about
how
maybe
the
better
form
to
put
this
forward,
how
to
do
that,
or
is
there
any
support
from
the
community.
E
It's
definitely
support,
I
think,
in
the
last
discussion
I
was
in,
we
were
puzzling
about
how
to
manage
it,
because
I
think
you
mentioned
you
really
wanted
it
to
be
face-to-face
and
obviously
we
can't
get
to
china
this
year
and
we
we
ideally
in
the
future.
E
We
would
structure
it
around
some
other
linux
event,
so
that
that
would
justify
the
costs
for
several
of
our
corporate
participants
for
the
travel
so
but,
but
for
this
year
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
do
a
face-to-face
event
that
we
collaborate
with
you
on
providing
remote
contributions?
E
Or
do
you
want
to?
I
guess
I'll,
leave
the
question
there.
C
C
And
maybe
that
would
be
a
small
group
of
me
of
people
gathered
in
shanghai
beijing
to
talk
about
chaos
and
some
core
members
from
the
community
can
record
a
video
or
even
a
remote
connection,
or
something
like
that.
D
D
F
D
Will
you
can
travel
okay
because
I'm
I'm
so
ashoya
with
respect
to
the
meetup?
Yes,
I
mean
I'm
personally
happy
to
help
arrange
this
their
yeah.
Their
work
would
work
with
you
locally.
I
think:
how
long
do
you
think
the
meetup
would
be
shoya?
Did
you
have
a
thought
on
this.
C
I
actually
don't
have
too
mature
thoughts.
This
is
this.
This
meetup
would
be
also
supported
by
my
mentor,
and
we
have
talked
about
this
with
king
and
john
before.
E
C
The
the
the
the
city
will
be
shanghai
and
one
day-
and
I
I
haven't,
talked
about
too
much
about
that.
B
B
Yeah,
so
you
know
william
jung
have
held
the
aoc
apache
local
community
in
beijing,
so
william
is
local
in
beijing
and
and
we
are
in,
we
are
in
the
same
team
he's
in
beijing
and
I
am
in
so
he
has
some
some
community
friends
who
are
in
beijing.
So
I
think
the
vision
is
one
choice
and
of
course
shaya
is
in
shanghai.
C
B
His
teachers,
mr
wang,
they
are
very
interested
in
chaos.
I
think
shanghai
is
another
choice,
so
yeah,
I
think
beijing
and
shanghai
so
and
sure
I
want
to
wonder.
No
wonder,
do
you
have
any
do
you
have
any
suggestion
about
the
location
about
it
about
the
mid-up
yeah.
C
Yeah,
I
think
travel
travel
is
visible
because
school
will
pay
for
the
cost.
Okay,
so
would
it
be?
Would
it
be
possible.
C
That
also
works,
but
I
think
the
place
is
not
the
biggest
problem.
Actually,
I
want
to
know
about
maybe
how
what
what
is
a
form
to
put
this
forward
a
better.
D
D
Well,
I
think
pretty
easily,
either
myself
or
elizabeth.
C
D
Sean
would
be
happy
to
provide
a
like
a
either
recorded
or
like
a
presentation
about
what
the
chaos
project
is
yeah
to
the
meetup.
I
mean
that
could
be
a
way
to
start
off
the
meetup
just
to
introduce
ourselves
and
or
maybe
all
of
us
right
I
mean,
maybe
it's
better-
that
it's
not
just
one
person,
but
it's
actually
that's.
D
D
A
And
just
to
in
insert,
I
am
actually
working
on
an
introduction
to
chaos
just
generally
that
we
were
going
to
use
on
our
website,
so
that
is
in
the
works,
but
we
could
also
do
more
of
a
a
specific
one
for
this
event,
that
would
be
a
little
more
friendly
and
tailored
to
what
we're
doing
here
so.
C
G
C
D
D
Also,
we
could
also
probably
coordinate
with
a
community
member-
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
here,
but
a
community
member
who
you
know,
uses
the
chaos
tooling
or
uses
the
chaos
metrics
or
both
just
to
talk
about
not
just
the
structure
of
the
community,
but
then
the
impact
that
this
work
could
have.
So
you
know
I'm
thinking
of.
There
are
several
people,
obviously,
who
rely
on
whether
it's
auger
or
gramor
lab
just
to
talk
about
give
a
little
bit
of
perspective
on
on
how
they're,
interacting
with
the
community.
C
Yeah
live
talks,
yes,
that
would
be
depending
on
the
time.
I
think
we
still
have
time
for
preparation,
because
the
meetup
may
be
at
the
end
of
this
month.
The
end
of
december-
and
so
I
think,
the
job
or
concerts
from
our
side
from
deciding
from
china
is
to
how
to
getting
more
people
involved
in
the
meet
up
to
letting
more
people
know
about
chaos
in
china.
F
A
good
quick
comment
here,
so
one
of
the
things
that
is
helping
a
lot
of
the
inner
source
commands,
which
is
another
community,
is
the
translation
process.
F
So
localizing
things
into
chinese
seems
to
be
something
that
is
being
key
for
this
community,
in
this
case,
to
bring
some
more
people,
at
least
from
china,
into
the
into
the
concept
and
community
of
winners,
so
that
that
may
help
as
well
and
these
days.
We
are
indeed
running
the
commons
today
and
tomorrow,
and
we
are
now
playing
with
a
hybrid
model
where
we
have
people
physically
there
in
in
china.
In
this
case,
and
then
there
are
people
in
in
a
virtual
space.
F
So
then
we
have
some
pre-recorded
talks,
the
things
we
are
suggesting
here,
but
then
we
have
some
specific
breakout
sessions
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
breakout
sessions
was
in
chinese
and
then
there
were
some
models.
So
the
specific
one
in
chinese
is
to
to
to
create
this
comfortable
environment,
so
people
can
freely
talk
and
then
with
the
idea
of
contributing
back
to
the
community
like
okay,
we
were
discussing
about
all
of
these
topics
like
40
minutes
or
so
in
chaos.
F
We
have,
we
have
several
topics,
so
we
can
discuss
about
several
of
them
and
yeah,
and
then
we
were
having
live
chat
in
slack
in
this
case.
That
was
the
tool
we
were
using
and
it's
it's
working
quite
good.
I
have
to
say
so
just
some
ideas
around
here:
ramita,
definitely
something
smaller
would
work
as
well
and
pre-recorded.
Talks
with
a
mix
of
physical
or
people
even
sounds
good.
E
His
language-
I
guess
one
thing
is-
is:
is
it
okay
that
we
speak
english?
I've
had
chinese
students
who
speak
english
to
varying
degrees,
and,
and
would
we
be
to
daniel's
point
I
cutting
out
people
if
we
didn't
provide
translation
service?
My
inclination
is
yes
that
we
would
and
we
don't
want
to
and.
F
C
F
E
E
B
D
Okay,
so
I'm
wondering
so
I
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
the
notes.
I've
been
jutting
a
few
things
down
in
there.
So
yeah,
that's
that's!
Okay!
If
you
can't
see
it,
I
can
repeat
it
here
so
so
perhaps
we
could
have
if
elizabeth
is
putting
together
a
pre-recorded
video
about
chaos.
I
mean
that
would
to
me
be
a
very
sensible
thing
to
use.
D
We
could
probably
also
ask
and-
and
maybe
elizabeth
like,
if
you
do
the
pre-recorded
video,
we
would
be
available
to
answer
questions
during
the
video
you
know,
so
it's
a
pre-recorded
video
that
you're
showing,
but
we
would
also
be
there
if
we
can,
unless
it's
two
in
the
morning
our
time
but
given
the
opportunity
to
be
there.
Maybe
we
can
do
that.
D
D
And
then
maybe
we
could
reach
out
to
a
community
member
to
also
do
a
pre-recorded
video
just
about
the
impact
of
of
chaos.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
very
difficult
at
all
to
find
somebody,
even
if
it's
just
a
five
or
you
know
five
minute
video,
it's
really
not
long
that
wouldn't
be
hard.
So
then
we
could
have
a
couple
videos.
D
I
really
like
the
idea
from
daniel
about
maybe
breakout
sessions
that
would
be
in
chinese,
and
so
maybe
we
could
think
about
what
a
breakout
session
would
look
like
in
a
workshop.
You
know
do.
Would
we
ask
people
to
think
about
how
these
metrics
are
meaningful?
Would
they
think
about
what
are
the
outstanding
questions
around
metrics,
whatever
the
prompt
might
be,
but
I
think
we
could
have
maybe
one
or
two
breakout
sessions
in
chinese
given
a
prompt
that
would
motivate
people
to
talk.
D
C
F
C
F
F
C
Helpful
and
those
sessions
are
will
be
in
chinese,
so
we
are
communicate
together,
but
how
to
convey
those
discussions
to
other
community
members.
D
So
I
have,
I
actually
have
we
have
money
to
do
translations,
so
we
have
translated
all
of
the
metrics,
the
current
chaos
metrics
into
chinese
yeah.
It's
done
so.
We
can
obviously
share
those
ahead
of
time
with
the
people
who
participate
in
the
meetups
to
sean's
point
like
anything
that
that
can
be
in
chinese.
That
can
help
would
be
great.
So
that's
something
that
we
can
share
ahead
of
time.
I
would
also
you
know
if
you
could
record
the
meetups.
D
Can
do
we
can
read
subtitles,
also
yeah,
we
have
the
money
to
do
that.
Yeah.
So
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
something
that's
very,
and
this
is
the
point
right
of
having
the
translation.
Money
is
to
do
translation,
so
so
we
do
have
funds
to
get
that
done
so
maybe
in
the
meetups.
Yes,
you
run
them
in
chinese
but
make
sure
to
record
them,
and
then
we
can.
We
can
directionally
come
back
towards
towards
english.
D
And
then
in
terms
of
promoting
the
meetup,
so
I
I
think
we
need
your
help
a
little
bit
here,
shoya
or
king.
So
you
know
obviously
elizabeth
can,
you
know,
send
out
on
twitter
the
meetup,
but
that
may
not
really
may
not
really
suit
a
chinese
audience.
So
you
know:
are
there?
Are
there
things
that
we
could
do
like
with
helping
with
text
that
could
be
posted?
You
know
on
social
media
platforms
in
china.
D
C
D
C
C
I
think,
if
you
can
help
with
making
up
the
text,
that
would
be
definitely
need
to
translate
it
into
chinese
again.
But
that
would
also
be
great,
and
I
think
we
can
also
made
up
those
texts
by
ourselves,
and
maybe
you
can
review
you
have
a
review
of
that
in
the
english
form,
but
also,
if
you
can
have
a
the
english
text
first
and
we
can
have
the
both
english
and
chinese.
D
Maybe
I'm
thinking
there
could
be
two
forms,
elizabeth,
like
maybe
a
short
form
and
a
long
form
like
a
short
form,
would
just
say
you
know,
like
chaos,
meetup
come
and
see
about
community
health
analytics
in
whatever
city
on
this
date
at
this
time
and
here's
a
link
to
the
longer
discussion
and
then
a
long
form
which
says
again,
here's
the
meetup,
here's
the
time,
here's
the
location,
but
then
here's
the
structure
of
the
day.
D
A
So
yeah
I've
I've
done
a
ton
of
meetups
here
in
the
states
and
in
a
few
in
in
europe
and
elsewhere,
but
I
so
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
meet
with
you
one
on
one.
If
we
want
to
nail
down
some
of
these
finer
details
and
and
get
it
all
together,
if
that
would
be
helpful,
just
let
me
know
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
great.
G
D
E
C
Oh,
what
every
of
the
holiday
and
maybe
some
of
the
community
members
are
spending
holidays
and
it
will
be.
D
I'm
not
sure
I'm
pretty
available
to
be
honest
with
you
other
than
christmas
day,
yeah
and
new
year's
eve.
It's
okay,
yeah.
E
D
C
Okay,
so
I
will
also
talk
about
my
mentor
because
he
would
support
this
and
yeah.
E
Okay,
for
anything,
we
do
pre-recorded,
we
could,
like
elizabeth's,
got
the
overview
that
she's
going
to
do
other
things
that
you
want
to
hear
about
in
pre-recorded
form.
I
think
you
we
can
set
that
agenda
now
or
you
can
go
back
to
your
your
advisor
and
we
can
talk
about
it
next
time.
Can
we
talk
about
do
enough
time
next
time
may
want
to
just
communicate
via
email
to
to
sort
that
out.
C
D
Okay
and
shoya:
do
you
would
you
need
a
zoom
channel?
You
know
what,
if
you,
how
about
this,
if
you
need
some
computing
resources,
we're
happy
to
to
help
in
that
regard
as
well.
I
put.
E
E
G
E
Can
just
you
can
just
tweet
matt
at
germ
and
he'll,
get
the.
F
F
E
F
C
B
B
C
H
H
E
D
Sounds
great,
you
know,
I
think
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
came
from
the
meeting
two
weeks
ago
was
really
trying
to
focus
on
what
the
goals
are
from
people
who
attend
the
asia,
pacific
call
and
honestly,
the
two
that
continued
to
come
out
were
thinking
about
inner
source,
metrics
and
tooling
related
to
inner
source,
as
well
as
how
we
can
think
about
metrics
and
tooling,
with
with
respect
to
open
source
program
offices
inside
of
companies.
So
I
think
your
insight
will
be
greatly
appreciated
during
this
process.
As
we
build
this.
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
okay
house,
three
issues.
B
Time
to
do
here,
this
is
my
first
issue
is
mapping
the
p
pull
request
and
the
issues
one
by
one.
I
see.
E
B
And
joe
link
had
commented,
so
you
can
see
the
below.
I
have
made
a
table,
it's
much
clearer.
You
can
see
the
table
below
yeah.
B
Yeah,
so
you
can
see
you
can
see
the
table
the
number
of
issues
number
of
peers,
so
they
have
some
sense
scenarios.
So
one
zero
and
man,
many
many
issues,
one
zero
and
many
parents.
The
best
is
one
one
and
one
match
the
best
is
one
issue
and
one
pr:
the
okay,
the
in
other
situations,
for
example,
there's
no
issues
here,
it's
just
a
pr,
so
the
pr
links
to
appear
links
to
issue
only.
You
know,
for
example,
there's
only
one
issue
and
there
are
many
players
who
request
that,
so
the
precast
is
too
big.
E
Like
you,
I,
like
your
suggestion
of
the
conclusion
column,
because
I
think
that's
generally
the
case,
you
know
if,
if
you've
got
an
issue,
one
one
to
one,
that
means
your
pull
request
is
tight
small.
It's
fixing
that
one
issue.
E
If
it's
associated
you
know
the
logic
of
this
is
how
I
think
about
balancing
these
different
issue,
cardinalities
and
pr
cardinalities,
and
it
sounds
like
you
agree
with
that.
E
E
Conclude,
I
call
this
balancing
or
making
it
putting
oak
the
conclusion
you
know
what
it
you
know
so
one
to
one
is
best
because
it
means
that
the
issue
and
the
pr
are
closely
connected.
E
If
there's
one
issue
and
no
pr's
to
me
that
mean
it
geared
says,
issue
links
to
pr
only,
but
I
don't
know
that
that's
exactly
what's
happening
there.
Usually,
when
I
see
an
issue
without
a
pr,
it
just
means
that
perhaps
the
issue
was
resolved
by
a
pr,
but
the
relationship
was
never
established,
or
perhaps
it
means
the
issue
was
never
adequately
resolved
or
resolved
in
some
way.
E
D
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
metric
listening
to
this.
I
haven't
seen
this
so
just
listening
to
you
talk
sean
and
to
you
talk
king,
it
sounds
like
the
metric
is
the
relationship
between
pr's
and
issues.
I
mean
that's
like
that's
the
issue.
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
that's
the
metric,
yes,
and
then
we
could
like
describe
why
that's
important.
You
know,
because
we
want
these
things.
You
ultimately
want
these
things
linked
together,
so
that
there's
some
some
logic
behind
issues
and
logic
behind
prs.
D
E
I
also
think
if
you
aggregate
this
information
at
a
repository
level,
you
start
to
get
a
picture
of
the
types
of
practices
followed
on
a
particular
project.
Some
projects
are
quite
good
about
linking
poll
requests
to
each
one
or
more
issues.
Other
projects,
actually
don't
hardly
do
it
at
all.
So
there
are,
there
are
a
number
of
sort
of
repository
level
patterns
that
emerge.
When
you
look
at
these
in
the
aggregate.
D
Okay,
I
think
the
table
that
king
you
started
in
georg
built
on.
D
The
only
reason
I
kind
of
like
kings
better
to
be
honest
with
you
yeah,
is
that
it
doesn't
draw
a
value
conclusion.
D
D
B
D
D
F
D
Being
addressed,
or
at
least
addressed
in
the
code,
so
I
think
the
column
would
be
better
suited
to
describe
what
the
relationship
is
than
to
talk
about
too
big
or
best,
or
anything
like
that.
Yeah.
E
And-
and
I
think
york's
suggestion
is
good
for
people
who
want
to
then
apply
this
metric
and
make
judgments
about
the
valence
the
value
of
each
practice
in
the
context
of
a
repository
that
wouldn't
prevent
you
from
using
the
metric
for
that
purpose.
It
just
keeps
the
metric
definition,
value,
neutral,
yep,
match
point.
A
E
E
If
you
did
it.
So,
if
you
did
it
by
all
pull
requests
and
all
issues
without
individually
calculating,
then
then
you,
you
introduce
bias
into
the
statistic
that
lets
one
or
two
events
skew
the
whole
view
of
things.
So
you
could
look
at
number
of
pull
requests
with
different
ratios
in
like
a
bar
chart
or
a
dot
plot,
for
example,.
E
Then
daniel
may
have
a
view
of
this
as
well
or
but
and
better
ideas
for
how
to
think
about
it.
F
Well,
you
were
talking,
we've
had
the
so
we've
been
working
in
reward
lab
about
adding
this
feature
by
github,
where
they
have
link
so
for
a
given
issue.
You
have
all
of
the
requests
that
are
part
of
this
or
the
other
way
around
so
forgivable
record.
You
have
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
are
part
of
this.
F
Well,
if
you
go
to
some
other
tooling,
for
instance,
gary
you
can
only
have
like
one
commit
for
each
chain
set,
so
it's
probably
easier
to
find
this
one-to-one
relationship
in
in
gallery
than
in
github,
and
this
is
because
of
the
tooling
itself.
Yes,
yeah,
I'm
a
bit
reluctant
about
using
this
is
the
best
thing
to
to
use
as
a
software
development
practice,
because
this
heavily
depends
on
first,
the
tooling
and
second,
what
you
think
is
the
best
approach.
That's
all
so
I.
E
F
B
B
Okay,
we
want
to
the
one
and
one
one
issue:
when
peer
link
is
the
best
practice
we
want
to.
We
want
all
the
developers
in
our
company
who
contribute
in
the
community
they
can.
If
we
they
want
to
start
pro
requests,
they
must
to
start
an
issue
before
they
start
requesting.
They
must
to
describe
the
issue.
B
B
So
I
so
I
start
I
just
open
this
this
issue
to
want
to
talk
about
it.
Can
we
matrix
how
many
issues
and
how
many
requests
one
yeah
yeah
it
starts
by
having
the
information.
F
Right,
so
what
what
do
you
think
if
this
metric
is
simply-
or
we
have
like
a
simple
metric,
that
we
say
this
is
the
the
percentage
of
issues
that
have
a
request
or
the
other
way
around.
So
then
we
have
like
values
over
one
or
under
one,
depending
how
the
community
works
and
then,
depending
on
your
specific
internal
project,
then
for
you,
in
this
case,
king
and
huawei,
perhaps
is
if
you
have
one
basically
over
time
in
a
consistent
way.
That
means
that
you
are
following
some
good
practices
in
some
other
cases.
F
E
D
I
just
added
a
template
for
the
metric.
I
just
called
it
ratio,
okay
put
it
in
the
metric.
We
can
worry
about
the
name
later,
but
it's
to
daniel's
point
that
this,
whatever
the
ratio
is
whatever's
on
top
and
whatever's
on.
You
know
if
it's
the
issue
on
top
or
the
pr
on
top,
it's
highly
context
dependent
but
then
to
daniel's
point
like
if
you
have
a
if
at
huawei,
for
example,
you're
looking
for
a
ratio.
That
is
one
over
time.
That's
just
a
best
practice.
D
That's
this
that's
in
huawei,
and
they
always
want
an
angle
towards
that
great
here's,
the
ratio
but
then
to
daniel's
point
two
and
you
may
be
an
organization,
that's
willing
to
live
with
some
other
variation
of
the
ratio
which
is
cool
as
well,
and
you
know
that
you're,
usually
within
target
or.
D
The
change
over
time
right,
you
wanna
you,
you
do
see
that
your
ratio
is
poor
at
the
moment,
whatever
that
might
be,
and
then
changes
internally
bring
that
towards
one.
F
F
F
D
D
E
All
right:
well,
I
think
this
is
a
good
discussion
should
we
begin
the
development
of
this
metric
and
and
this
working
group
or
math
work
wherever
you
put
where
you
located
it.