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From YouTube: City Council Agenda Session 08-18-20
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Agenda Session and one committee: Public Works and Transportation Committee
B
B
C
Sir,
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
their
patience
in
deferring
the
case
on
shallowford.
I've
been
working
intently
with
the
waterside
development
and
the
applicant
to
work
out
an
agreement
in
consideration
for
possible
future
changes
to
napier
drive
there
and
possibly
the
turning
lane
on
shallowford.
So
in
conversations
with
tdot
cdot
and
the
applicant
and
waterside,
we
have
a
condition
that
has
been
agreed
upon
that
I
will
be
presenting
tonight.
C
B
Okay,
any
other
items
on
final
reading.
We
need
to
address,
if
not
ordinances.
On
first
reading,
we
have
a
couple
of
planning
items:
councilman
ledford
have
all
of
these
been
read
into
the
minute,
sir.
I
believe
that
is
correct,
sir
okay,
anybody
with
questions
about
items
on
first
reading
under
planning.
E
D
F
B
H
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
sorry!
I
was
muted
for
a
second
councilman,
I'm
happy
to
find
and
answer
your
question.
I
need
to
check
with
tyler
to
see
exactly
where
we
are
in
that
process.
I
know
that
there
was
a
re-zoning
of
that
property
a
couple
weeks
ago
at
the
planning
commission,
which
was
another
important
step
to
keep
that
all
moving
forward,
so
the
exact
timing
by
which
we
will
need
to
have
found
a
new
permanent
home
for
them.
H
B
D
H
Mr
hayes
councilman,
I
didn't,
I
would
need
to
take
a
look
at
the
letter
that
you're
referring
to
to
to
make
sure
I'm
answering
the
question
accurately.
I'm
I'm
not
quite
sure
I'm
I'm
aware
of
what
you're
speaking
of
but
glad
it
looks
like.
Perhaps
donna
williams
might
have
the
answer.
If
you
want
to
tag
her
in
in
my
place,
all.
B
I
I
Those
entities
have
have
identified
other
places
that
they're
going
to
go.
One
is
going
to
take
their
operation
into
facilities
that
they
already
had
and
and
you're
right,
councilman
byrd.
It
is
that
they
are
have
previously
been
using
1815
east
main
street.
It
I
don't
it's
not
entirely
accurate
to
say
we
have
we're.
We
have
been
funding
them.
We
have
extended
to
them
the
same
lease
that
we
have
typically
with
all
nonprofits,
which
is
the
use
of
the
building
for
a
dollar
a
year.
D
Awesome
and
thank
you
so
much
for
clearing
it
up,
because
the
the
language
that
was
put
out
was
that
we
had
been,
and
now
we're
not
but
the
dollar
a
year
for
them
to
be
in
that
facility,
and
the
word
was
said
that
we
were
going
to
assist
them
in
moving
somewhere
else.
Due
to
the
fact
that
we
were
gonna.
Do
some
different
things
with
that
location,
correct.
I
Yeah
and
and
kerry
said
I
had
the
answer,
but
now
his
his
previous
answer
probably
has
more
of
what
you're,
specifically
asking
for,
which
is
the
city,
assisted
the
forgotten
child
fund,
with
additional
funding.
Yes
other
than
finding
another
location,
another
city-owned
property
for
which
they
could
rent
for
a
dollar
gotcha,
and
we
can.
We
can
get
the
the
specificity
of
that
from
from
tyler.
C
H
They
going
to
be
split
up,
it
was
a
reason,
as
I
understand
it,
and
and
I
may
need
tyler
to
check
my
homework
here.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
rezoning
to
to
permit
the
vasino
group
aim
center
project
to
move
forward
on
that
site.
A
rezone
was
a
was
a
condition
of
some
of
the
financing
that
they
were
seeking.
I
C
I
I
I
H
A
A
resolution
authorizing
the
chief
information
officer
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
application
software
technology
llc
regarding
statements
of
work
relating
to
the
master
service
agreement
for
erp
oracle
implementation,
hosting
maintenance
and
support
services.
Multi-Year
implementation
for
fiscal
years
2021
through
2025
for
an
amount
not
to
exceed
9.6
million
subject
to
appropriation
of
funds.
B
K
Oh,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
this
is.
This
is
a
call
it
a
project.
That's
been
going
on
for
a
while
and
discussions
and
by
for
a
while
for
me
a
little
over
seven
years.
So
we
are
now
to
the
point
that
I
feared
us
getting
to
seven
years
ago,
which
is
do
it
or
else
from
a
vendor,
which
is
something
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of.
So
I
would
like
to
ask
mr
messer
a
few
questions.
Miss
lydia.
L
K
All
right,
hey
brent,
we
do
just
kind
of
kick
us
off.
I
mean
this
is
pretty
substantial.
It's
bigger
than
anything.
We've
ever
talked
about
before,
with
this
particular
system,
even
over
the
years.
So
can
you
just
give
us
a
quick
rundown
of
what
we're
doing?
Why
we're
doing
it?
This
way,
it's
a
five-year
deal.
Almost
10
million
dollars
won't
even
be
implemented
for
another
year,
just
kind
of
give
us
the
just
the
top
level
view
down,
and
then
I've
got
a
few
follow-up
questions,
as,
as
my
colleagues
probably
do
as
well.
Sir.
M
Sure
we'll
start
with
an
rfp
is
a
resource
enterprise
firm,
not
the
rfp,
sorry,
the
erp,
the
enterprise
resource
planning
software.
It's
basically
contains
everything
for
the
city,
the
financials
budget,
investment
management,
hr
purchasing,
retiree,
tracking
benefits,
etc.
Every
major
operation
has
one
from
government
to
private
sector.
M
M
M
We
are
in
a
state
right
now
where
we
must
either
move
off
our
our
current
platform.
We
are,
in
a
hosted,
managed,
hosted
solution
used
to
be
an
on-prem
solution,
an
on-premise
solution,
we're
needing
to
move
to
a
sas
solution,
or
we
want
to
move
to
a
sas
solution,
but
the.
Why
is
because
we're
on
an
extended
contract?
Now
we
actually,
we
don't
have
a
contract
where
we've
extended
our
our
services
with
them
just
enough
time
to
be
able
to
go
through
this
rfp
process
and
and
find
another
solution.
K
K
It's
come
back
twice
as
much
as
it
was
last
year
before
it
went
out
to
rfp.
Can
you
tell
me
why,
like
what?
What
the?
What
is
the
difference
was
that
original
four
and
a
half
just
an
extension
of
the
in-house
system.
This
is
now
a
cloud-based
sas
platform.
What's
why
are
we
looking
at
double
and
do
we
do?
We
need
something
this
substantial
to
serve
the
needs.
I.
M
Think
that,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
think
that
original
pricing
was
misquoted.
If
I
remember
correctly,
I
don't
remember
what
the
exact
number
is
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
know
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
fact
that
we
need
more
functionality
and
more
features
when
our
current
system
was
implemented
back
in,
I
believe
2007
or
so
it
was
implemented,
not
the
best
way
incorrectly
in
some
ways.
So
a
lot
of
the
features
and
functionality
we
don't
have
with
that.
So
it's
definitely
something
we
need
to
replace.
K
I'll
I'll
leave
off
the
not
implemented
correctly
comments.
No,
I
want
typical
oracle
all
right
there.
So
at
this
point,
you're
running
I.t
brent.
Is
this
the
direction
that
the
city
needs
to
go
for,
how
we're
going
to
move
forward,
knowing
that
they
aren't
going
to
support
the
current
platform
again
typical
oracle?
Do
it
now,
or
else
we're
just
going
to
turn
off
turn
your
systems
off
with
no
support
and
you're
going
to
be
forced
to
do
something?
K
M
M
M
M
M
C
Ledford,
thank
you,
brian.
I'm
going
to
take
a
quick
swipe
at
this.
This
isn't
my
area
of
expertise,
but
I've
been
talking
a
lot
lately
about
obligating
the
next
administration,
so
I'll
try
did
in
the
rfp.
Did
we
ask
for
the
21
20
2021
to
2025
time
frame?
Did
we
ask
for
that
or
was
was
that
what
was
proposed
from
oracle.
M
Putting
together
an
erp
system
and
implementing
across
an
organization,
this
large
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
involved
a
lot
of
moving
pieces.
It's
a
complex
project.
I've
put
several
of
them
in
and
several
other
different
organizations,
and
it's
pretty
typical
for
it
to
take
about
a
year,
maybe
a
year
and
a
half
to
do.
C
Yeah,
because
I
believe
what
I
heard
from
vice
chairman
was
this:
is
next
administration.
This
won't
even
come
into
effect.
The
other
question
regarding
obligations
for
the
next
administration
next
council
is.
There
is
no
other
short-term
patch
to
allow
the
piggyback
on
that
question,
to
allow
the
next
administration
to
kind
of
get
their
hands
wrapped
around
this
and.
M
D
L
Yes,
with
the
upgraded
platform,
it's
going
to
enable
not
only
our
finance
department
along
with
hr,
but
also
have
that
connectivity
with
our
procurement
activities
as
well,
we'll
be
able
to
do
a
better
job
of
housing
electronically.
A
lot
of
the
historical
data
with
each
of
our
vendors,
as
well
as
information
related
to
our
rfp
submissions,
all
those
who
participate.
It
also
allows
us
to
build
with
ease
a
database
for
our
diverse
vendors
that
we're
in
in
desperate
need
of
increasing.
K
It
is
okay,
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
like
to
say
how
no
matter
what
it
looks
like
outside
tony
sammons
always
has
a
beautiful
background,
hey
brent
as
far
as
moving
forward
with
with
the
new
system.
At
this
point,
if
we
go
ahead
and
pass
this
this
evening,
are
we
looking
at
needing
to
add
it
staff
to
support
a
completely
new
system?
Are
we
going
to
augment?
K
M
K
M
M
D
B
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
go
ahead
and
ask
my
question:
now
it's
really
more
of
a
question
when
I
was
reading
over
the
information
technology,
canon
solutions,
contract
or
purchase
for
hundred
thousand
dollars
tonight.
My
question,
I
guess-
was
kind
of
related
along
the
lines
of
postcoded
office.
What
that
looks
like
for
the
city
in
question
that
do
we
are
we
going
to
be
needing
less
physical
equipment?
C
C
Is
that
expected,
because
we
kind
of
been
talking
about
postcoded,
how
city
government
works
and
how
some
folks
are
seem
to
be
doing
just
fine,
the
city
seems
to
be
running
okay
from
remote
locations,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
administration
has
had
any
thoughts
on
that.
This
might
be
a
moral
question
and
kind
of
touch
base
with
that.
C
J
B
J
N
So,
and
you
know
this
is,
for,
I
believe
it's
an
up
to
500
000
for
the
leases
off
the
state
contract
for
for
scanning
and
copying
equipment,
and
this
is
for
this
is
citywide.
This
is
for
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
locations,
drc,
paul
clark
building.
You
know
everywhere
that
that
we
are
still
we're
still,
as
I
said,
having
people
there
in
person
doing
their
work
and,
as
you
see
phil
there
in
his
office
using,
I
know,
he's
using
a
copying
machine
a
whole
bunch.
C
Okay,
so
that
was
important
what
you
just
said,
because
I
think
so
a
lot
of
people
think
that
most
of
the
city
staff
is
at
home
working
remotely,
but
you're
saying
still,
60
percent
are
in
actual
facilities.
Yes,
sir
okay,
and
that
makes
sense
so
that
that
helps
help
clear
up
that
I'll.
Ask
this
again.
I've
ex
asked
it
many
times
before,
but
do
do.
We
have
a
way
to
to
track
the
efficiency
of
folks
or
positions
and
identifying
them
post-covered
that
might
be
able
to
work
remotely
and
do
it.
N
Absolutely
we
have
a
back
to
work
task
force
that
we've
that
has
been
meeting
on
a
regular
basis
and
administrators
are
keeping
up
with
with
how
work
changes
when
people
are
at
home
and
looking
at
all
of
those
things-
and
I
I
for
one,
don't
feel
like
I'm
winding
down,
I
don't
feel
like
our
administration
is
winding
down.
I
mean
we've
got.
B
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Just
just
one
thing
really
quick.
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
reason
that
we
are
not
seeing
bids
requested
or
returned,
sometimes
we
do
get
a
tca
number,
but
in
this
case
we're
we're
seeing
contract
numbers
now,
which
is
even
better
if
you
notice
over
in
the
summary,
it
actually
mentions
a
contract
not
just
necessarily
that
we're
using
the
tca
contract,
but
actually
the
contract
number.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
was
appreciative
to
seeing
even
more
detail
on
these
items.
H
K
B
Right
very
good.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
miss
always
moving
on
to
august
25th
agenda.
If
you
would
look
at
next
week's
agenda
to
see,
if
you
have
any
questions
concerning
next
week,
do
have
some
items
on
planning
items
on
final
reading,
a
couple
of
planning
items
on
first
reading,
a
couple
of
resolutions:
you
got
custom
gilbert.
B
B
O
All
right
anybody
against
doing
that:
okay,
we'll
move
on,
then
I
want
to
start
today
with
transportation.
If
I
may,
let's
do
this
first
because
public
you
know
as
we
go
over
the
public
works
items
and
then
we'll
have
a
presentation
on
water
quality
or
storm
water,
if
you
will
from
the
public
works
department.
So
if
we
can
start
with
transportation
who's,
the
brave
one
to
raise
their
hand.
O
A
A
resolution
authorizing
the
administrator
for
the
department
of
transportation
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
integrated
properties,
llc
relative
to
contract
number
t2012
for
construction
services
associated
with
the
area.
Three
commercial
districts,
streetscape
improvements
at
glass,
street
and
dodson
avenue
in
the
amount
of
two
hundred
and
nine
thousand
eleven
dollars
and
forty
five
cents,
with
a
contingency
amount
of
fifteen
thousand
nine
hundred
eighty
eight
dollars
and
fifty
five
cents
for
a
total
amount
of
two
hundred
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
C
Q
Or
not,
certainly,
mr
councilman,
I
was
just
opening
that.
I'm
surprised,
I'm
surprised.
I
wasn't
asked
a
question
like
that
about
the
previous
item,
but
I
I'm
delighted
to
talk
about
this
project.
This
is
a
a
project
to
improve
streetscape
the
streetscape
and
it
was
a
recommended
project
of
the
area.
3
planning
process
that
came
to
be
known
as
the
historic
river
to
ridge
plan.
It
was
budgeted
in
the
I
believe,
the
fiscal
year
20
budget
and
we've.
Q
P
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I'm
excited
to
finally
see
this
project
moving
forward.
It's
been
great.
You
know,
working
with
community
members
with
the
planning
and
the
design
and
kind
of
had
some
back
and
forth,
but
this
project
is
strictly
on
the
district.
Nine
side
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
noted.
O
C
O
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mr
councilman.
I
just
I
wanted
to
say
how
how
excited
we
are
about
this
project,
and
I
know
that
representatives
are
these
are
this
is
a
significant
investment
in
paving
these
are
federally
funded,
paving
projects
that
have
been
in
the
works
for
several
years
because
they
are
federally
funded.
They
also
include
significant
upgrades
to
accessible
sidewalks
and
the
the
the
limits
were
read
they're
in
the
they're
in
the
caption
there.
So
it's
a
it's.
Q
A
A
resolution
authorizing
the
approval
of
change
order.
Number
one
for
jamison
construction,
llc
relative
to
contract
number
two
t19008201
bailey
avenue,
bridge
repairs
for
an
increased
amount
of
ten
thousand
dollars
for
a
revised
contract
amount
not
to
exceed
two
hundred
and
seventy
six
thousand
seven
hundred
eighty
seven
dollars
and
ninety
five
cents.
F
Q
This
is
for
the
cromwell
section
of
the
south
chick
creek
greenway.
It
is
currently
under
construction.
We
are
just
about
to
begin
construction
on
two
other
sections.
In
fact,
I
was
touring
one
of
them
today
before
this
meeting
on
either
side
of
it,
but
this
is
this
is
a
required
agreement
for
because
the
the
greenway
goes
underneath
the
railroad
tracks.
This
is
typical,
and
we've
done
that.
We've
done
agreements
like
this
in
the
past
and
they
are,
they
are
in
concert
with
each
other.
Q
These
are
both
agreements
related
to
the
same
crossing.
The
the
first
one
obviously
is
not
expensive.
The
second
one
is-
and
I
will
say
this
second
one
we're
also
familiar
with
this
type
of
agreement.
It's
essentially
an
upfront
payment
that
gets
drawn
down
from
based
on
the
the
requirements
of
the
railroad
for
safety
reasons
during
construction
we
may
not.
This
is
enough
to
this
is
a
not
to
exceed
amount.
It
may
not
end
up
using
all
of
that.
B
Q
Q
Q
A
O
O
O
O
F
F
G
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
you,
but
we
weren't
able
to
we
weren't.
We
haven't
been
able
to
serve
to
have
this
certification
course
available
to
people
and
we
are
aligning
the
dates
and
actually
pushing
it
out.
It
is
a
requirement
for
us
to
provide
this
certification
and
we
just
haven't
been
able
to
do
to
the
coronavirus
and
we've
aligned
those
dates
with
some
other
dates
that
are
in
our
ordinance.
E
G
L
A
A
resolution
authorizing
the
approval
of
change
order.
Number
three
for
j
j
contractors,
incorporated
of
chattanooga
tennessee
relative
to
contract
number
y15008201,
the
new
avondale
yfd
center
for
an
increased
amount
of
128,
939
dollars
and
25
cents
to
authorize
a
contingency
in
the
amount
of
10
000
for
a
revised
contract
amount
of
5
million,
969,
188
dollars
and
25
cents
for
an
amount
not
to
exceed
five
million.
Nine
hundred
and
seventy
nine
thousand
a
hundred
and
eighty
eight
dollars
and
twenty
five
cents.
G
E
D
Yes,
I
do.
Okay,
I
was
gonna,
see
if
lydia
can
definitely
read
both
of
them
and
see,
if
so,
justin
can
explain
both
of
them
basically
and
what
this
looks
like
in
what
new
money
and
what
old
money
and
how
this
have
already
been
spent
and
taken
care
of
and
how
we're
allocating
the
money
for
it
now
and
if
just
for
him
explain
both
of
them.
That's
all
it's
going
to
get
him
to
do.
A
A
resolution
authorizing
the
administrator
for
the
department
of
public
works
to
award
contract
number
y1508204
to
davis,
key
outdoor
of
chattanooga,
tennessee,
avondale,
youth
and
family
development
center
landscaping
project
in
the
amount
of
a
hundred
and
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eight
sorry,
eight
hundred
ninety
five
dollars,
plus
a
contingency
amount
of
ten
thousand
dollars
for
an
amount
not
to
exceed
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
eight
hundred.
Ninety
five
dollars.
D
G
So
these
are,
it
is
important
to
note
that
these
items
are
were
either
accounted
for
in
new
fy21
capital
funds
that
were
budgeted
for
avondale
or
accommodated
by
reductions
in
other
areas.
For
instance,
our
resident
project
representative
services
were
provided
by
our
our
own
staff,
so
there
was
some
savings.
These
the
change
order
is
part
of
a
broader
change
order
and
I've.
G
I've
detailed
this
description
for
a
few
of
the
council
members,
including
councilman
byrd,
and
some
that
had
questions
about
it.
During
the
three-week
look
ahead
related
to
kitchen
modifications,
there
were
approximately
twenty
one
thousand
dollars
in
change
request
forms
during
the
project,
so
these
are
decisions
that
are
made
during
the
project.
E
G
G
G
Number
of
items
here
in
the
backup
documentation
that
detail
what
that
change
order,
looks
like
and
I'll
be
happy
to
go
into
any
length
or
any
depth.
If
you
would
like
one
other
notable
problem
was
a
waterproof
membrane
that
was
required.
It
was
a
change
that
we
had
to
make
in
construction.
We
could
not.
G
The
humidity
in
the
building
would
not
allow
for
the
concrete
cure.
We
had
some
moisture
issues
that
when,
as
we
were
putting
down
the
gym
floor,
so
I
think
most
of
these
items
had
been
discussed
at
council
previously.
Several
of
the
items
I
think
you're
very
familiar
with,
including
the
bleacher
modification.
R
G
O
P
You're
right
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we
had
done
encountered
once
it
got
on
to
the
agenda
for
the
council
to
approve.
So
once
council
changed.
However,
a
lot
of
the
details
was
in
the
paperwork
prior
to
us
coming
on
council
on
2017,
and
we
went
back
and
changed
some
stuff
that
the
community
had
already
knew
about
the
bleachers
and
all
this
other
stuff,
that
we've
changed,
that
the
community
was
already
on
board
prior
to
councilman
byrd,
getting
into
office,
and
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
we
had
to
go
back
and
correct.
P
Majority
of
them
are
looking
condemned
and
I
notice
this
is
not
in
your
wheelhouse
for
the
yld
centers.
But,
however,
we
we
need
to
start
spending
money
and
paying
attention
to
those
other
yfd
sites
as
well
like
how
much
more
money
are
we
going
to
spend
into
this
site,
and
I
want
to
say
I
hope
dr
mac
is
listening
to
this
call
on
here
today,
so
when
he
send
that
email
I'll
be
prepared
because
the
county
don't
give
us
a
dollar
when
it
comes
to
the
infrastructures
of
the
city.
P
Nor
do
the
county
commission
that
represent
our
people,
that
we
share
do
anything
for
those
constituents
as
well,
but
they
have
a
lot
to
say
on
decisions
that
the
city
council
made,
but
we
have
too
many
sites.
That's
I
mean
going
unkempt
and
unlooked.
We've
got
several
people
that
serve
on
this
avondale
committee
that
don't
even
live
in
the
neighborhood
have
never
lived
in
the
neighborhood,
yet
they're
helping
to
assist
in
decision
making
when
it
comes
to
our
yfd
site.
P
D
G
Well,
well:
councilwoman.
Conrod!
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We
don't
anticipate
anything
additional.
I
will
that
not
in
I'm
sorry
councilman
bird,
that
that
is
in
construction
or
current
design.
Let
me
let
me
rephrase
that
so
the
public
works
department
is
responsible
for
the
construction
of
capital
projects,
and
so
I
can't
really
speak
to
future
planning
for
coach
for
that
center
or
other
centers.
I
can
speak
to
the
the
work
that
my
group
does
in
capital
projects
for
that
assist
in
maintaining
the
infrastructure
and
and
well-kept
buildings,
and
we
have.
P
O
No,
no
we're
not
we're
not
doing
that,
and
but
we
will
ask
for
justin
steinman
or
whoever
the
administration
wants
to
bring
up
here
in
a
separate
meeting,
because
we've
got
probably
what's
going
to
be
an
hour-long
presentation
about
to
happen,
but
we'll
we
can
plan
on
getting
that
information
you
I
agree
with
you.
Council
person
rod
that
the
last
time
we
did
some
of
this.
O
Some
of
the
work
was
a
long
time
ago
when
I
was
around
so
so,
and
we
we
have
done
probably
a
better
job
of
keeping
up
roots
and
things
like
that.
But
I'd
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
a
plan.
That's
going
forward.
Also,
so
could
we
if,
if
it's
okay
with
you,
we'll
have
that
potentially
even
if
they
can
get
ready
that
quickly
in
the
next
public
works
and
transportation.
O
D
D
D
O
G
G
So
at
our
last
committee
meeting,
the
several
council
members
had
questions
about
water
quality
and
what
water
quality
programs
do
for
those
city,
residents
and
city
as
a
whole.
We
also
had
questions
about
what
projects
our
staff
work
on
that
are
related
to
flooding
drainage
and
how
those
things
impact
the
the
lifestyles
of
people
who
live
in
the
city
of
chattanooga
and
how
we
protect
property
and
so
bill
and
bill
payne,
our
city
engineer
and
his
staff,
along
with
one
of
our
consultants,
mr
bollinger
justin
bollinger
with
hdr
all
have
developed
a
presentation.
G
We
have
kept
it
as
brief
as
possible.
It
is
quite
technical,
but
we
want
to
get
through
this
with
as
much
level
of
detail
as
you
see
appropriate.
If
there
are
questions
following
the
presentation
feel
free
to
ask-
and
we
can
add
any
level
of
detail
in
a
either
a
side
conversation
or
if
you
had
any
questions
that
you
would
like
for
us
or
responses
you'd
like
for
us
to
bring
back
to
the
council
body,
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
G
R
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
and
just
to
to
let
the
miss
lydia
know
the
the
other
staff
and
the
consultant,
and
I
can
go
ahead
and
provide
those
names.
We
are
going
to
do
the
presentation
in
two
portions,
so
the
first
one
is
one
that
I'm
going
to
conduct
just
briefly
to
talk
about
the
items
that
that
are
covered
by
the
water
quality
fee,
which
answers
some
of
the
questions
from
last
week
and
then
after
the
question
and
answer.
R
R
E
B
R
Can
see
it
all
right?
That
means
I
managed
to
click
all
the
right
buttons.
So
thanks
for
bearing
with
me
with
the
technical
side
of
this,
so
this
is
very
similar
to
an
annual
report
presentation
that
would
be
put
together
by
our
staff.
Typically,
it's
done
later
in
the
year.
Our
permit
year
ends
on
june,
the
30th,
and
so
that
is
a
permit.
That's
issued
by
the
state
of
tennessee
for
our
npdes
system.
R
So
some
of
the
major
requirements
under
both
the
clean
water
act
and
our
and
ultimately
into
our
permit
are
listed
on
the
screen
and
they
are
primarily
about
water
quality
and,
and
you
can
see
several
of
those
listed
on
the
screen.
In
addition
to
that,
our
program
also
does
work
with
the
drainage
system
and
we
utilize
the
water
quality
fee
for
that,
as
well.
For
for
both
drainage
and
flood
control
purposes
and
I'll
talk
about
both
during
the
presentation.
R
To
begin
with,
we'll
go
through
several
of
the
of
the
water
quality
related
services.
The
first
is
a
is
a
monitoring
and
idd,
which
is
in
the
second
bullet,
which
is
illicit
discharge
and
detection
elimination
for
those
two
just
to
give
an
idea
of
the
things
that
have
been
done.
In
the
last
year,
water
quality
staff
collected
more
than
2
000
grab
samples
which
are
water
samples,
as
well
as
nine
non-macroinvertebrate
or
aquatic
life
samples
that
were
taken.
R
These
are
for
a
variety
of
different
program
elements
and
you
can
see
that
are
listed
in
that
bullet
below,
and
I
won't
go
through
each
one
of
those
they're
there.
In
case
you
have
questions
or
want
to
know
the
types
of
samples
and
the
types
of
things
that
are
analyzed
by
taking
those
samples
regarding
illicit
discharge
and
detection.
R
We've
listed
the
numbers
there
of
83
violations
and
256
inspections,
as
well
as
305
communications
with
property
owners.
23
of
these
actually
were
emergency
responses
that
consisted
of
going
out
with
the
first
responders
on
some
sort
of
spill
that
occurred,
whether
it
was
vehicular
due
to
an
accident,
some
sort
of
or
some
sort
of
industrial
discharge.
We
also
distribute
lots
of
information
and
there's
also
smoke
testing.
That's
performed
because
sanitary
sewer
discharges
are
part
of
are
considered
an
illicit
discharge
as
well,
because
we
certainly
want
the
sanitary
sewage
to
stay
within
the
sanitary
system.
R
R
R
Basis,
stormwater
control
measures
justin
mentioned
earlier
in
the
discussion
about
the
ordinance
change
best
management
practices
or
vmps,
is
something
that
you've
no
doubt
heard
many
times
over
all
the
years.
Those
that
term
is
still
in
use
but
is
primarily
used
in
during
the
construction
phase
and
epa
and
the
state
have
begun
using
a
new
term
called
storm
water
control
measures
or
scms
for
the
post
construction
controls.
R
So
those
are
things
whether
they're
detention
ponds,
oil,
skimmers
infiltration
beds,
those
types
of
things
that
are
put
in
place
and
continue
to
function
and
treat
the
water
there.
The
city
is
performs
the
inspection
and
maintenance
of
our
city-owned
systems,
and
we
also
perform
inspections
of
those
on
private
property
as
well
and
where
we
maintain
an
inventory
and
track
those,
and
we
also
require
the
maintenance
of
those
by
the
private
property
owner.
R
So,
during
fiscal
year
20
there
were
more
than
581
sems
inspected.
Those
are
located
at
342
different
facilities
that
were
inspected,
so
many
of
them
have
multiple
measures
in
place.
As
a
result
of
that,
the
the
inspection
resulted
in
80
more
than
85
enforcement,
letters
or
emails
that
were
conducted.
R
Brainsmart
is
an
incentive
program
that
is
geared
towards
education,
financial
and
technical
assistance,
and
is
is
really
intended
to
help
build
out
that
capacity
to
try
to
gain
voluntary
compliance
for
folks
who
want
to
do
things
that
are
that.
Are
that
understand
what
the
system
is
and
how
it
can
help
it's
just
really
geared
towards
private
residential
properties
as
opposed
to
commercial
properties,
and
so
that's
the
reason
why
it
is
voluntary,
because
those
those
requirements
are
different
in
the
residential
setting.
R
R
There
were
nine
projects
where
it
was
just
installation
only
a
variety
of
rain,
gardens
and
rain
barrels
that
were
on
there.
This
is
a
reimbursement
program
back
to
the
residential
property
owner
and
there's
been
twelve
thousand
one
hundred
and
forty
six
dollars
and
and
some
change
reimbursed
back
to
homeowners
under
this
program
it's
an
average
of
39
percent
of
reimbursement.
R
Green
grants
is
a
similar
type
of
reimbursement
program,
but
it's
on
the
non-residential
scale.
It's
a
competitive
application
and
review
process.
That's
utilized
for
that.
It
started
a
few
years
ago
and
priority
is
given
to
projects
that
are
going
to
do
retrofitting,
typically
for
runoff
reduction
and
there's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that's
available
for
those
grants,
the
smallest
grant
amount
would
be
a
thousand
dollars
or
depending
on
the
applications
we
have,
they
have
gone
as
high
as
the
full
amount
to
a
single
applicant
because
of
of
limited
number
that
are
are
there.
R
In
addition
to
earning
the
grant,
the
property
owner
is,
is
still
able
to
earn
water
quality
fee
discounts
and
they're
also
able
to
earn
credit
coupons
which
carry
some
value
being
traded
or
exchanged
among
private
property
owners,
certainly
raises
a
lot
of
awareness.
We
want
it
to
spur
reinvestment
or
spur
investment
in
retrofitting
and
provides
a
lot
of
ability
to
demonstrate
what
the
what
the
program
is
able
to
do
and
what
the
benefits
are
for.
Sustainable
development.
R
R
I
R
Land
disturbing
permits
and
the
applications
and
the
inspections
of
those
permits
that
has
has
continued
at
a
very
robust
pace.
It's
just
even
during
a
lot
of
the
covent
environments.
The
numbers
that
you
see
here
are
listed
a
significant
number
of
applications.
Many
of
these
are
comparable
to
the
fiscal
year
19
figures,
so
there
has
not
been
a
lot
of
change,
certainly
not
any
decrease
from
fiscal
year
20
for
for
fiscal
year,
20.
R
So
all
of
this
ties
in
with
with
the
storm
system
inventory.
So
what
is
the
storm
drainage
system
that
we're
protecting
and
or
maintaining
there
are
744
miles
of
private
conveyance
72
of
that
is,
is
open
channels
or
swales
or
natural
channels
on
private
property,
the
other
28
percent
is
closed,
pipes
or
culverts
and
drains
that
are
on
those
properties.
R
The
balance
of
the
system
is,
is
over
1300
miles
of
public
conveyance
and
slightly
more
open
channels
in
in
the
public
conveyance
than
closed
channels,
and
those
figures
are
there
on
the
screen,
for
you
certainly
happy
to
happy
to
provide
more
breakdown
or
detail
on
those
for
anyone.
Who's
interested.
R
So
when
we
talk
about
storm
system
protocols,
there
are
certain
things
that,
of
course,
the
city
can
do,
and
there
are
other
things
the
city
does
not
do
so
just
to
give
a
way
of
reference.
A
lot
of
what
is
done
is
cleaning
out
catch
basins,
manholes
and
pipes,
maintaining
and
replacing
the
drainage
system
in
the
right
of
way
or
in
easements
that
are
in
the
city's
name
and
we'll
also
will
remove
woody
vegetation,
that's
an
inch
or
larger
in
diameter.
R
R
All
of
the
drainage
system
in
the
in
the
public,
right-of-way
was
inspected
during
the
fiscal
year,
every
catch
basin
and
inlet
that
they
encountered
during
that
during
that
time
is
cleaned
while
they're
there.
They
also
determined
there
were
291
locations
that
needed
additional
attention
from
from
engineering
staff
57
locations
where
they
dispatched
a
vac
truck
to
come
and
more
than
60
locations.
That.
I
R
In
terms
of
citizen
requests,
there
were
more
than
2100
total
service
requests
that
were
submitted
through
311
for
the
fiscal
year
and
840
of
those
resulted
in
work.
Orders
show
a
little
breakdown
of
part
of
that
of
that
840
562
of
those
were
actually
ones
that
were
written
as
a
result
of
the
investigations
by
the
staff
and
then
in
terms
of
work
completed
the
citywide
services
division,
completed
789
work
orders
during
the
fiscal
year.
R
Some
of
those,
of
course,
are
work,
orders
that
had
been
written
in
a
prior
fiscal
year
and
had
carried
over,
which
is
which
is
generally
the
case
in
these
type
situations,
and
then,
lastly,
and
certainly
not
least,
training
public
education
and
outreach
is
very
critical.
While
the
majority
of
these
events,
these
55
events
occurred
pre-coded
and
they
certainly
all
were
significant
and
a
large
part
of
of
what's
necessary
in
order
to
maintain
the
program
and
meet
our
meet
our
permanent
compliance
requirements.
R
H
I
F
Housed
at
residential
that
land's
been
disturbed
and
a
lot
of
more
water
go
different
places.
When
you
have
ditches,
that's
overgrowth,
and
then
you
have
debris
that
collects
to
the
overgrowth,
then
it
causes
a
a
dam
or
a
barrier
where
water
cannot
go
as
swiftly
through
it
that
will
cause
flooding
in
people's
homes.
F
I
remember
when
we
started
water
quality.
I
asked
that
question.
Will
we
be
able
to
clean
out
these
ditches
by
us
charging
all
our
constituents
this
amount
of
money
because
there's
an
issue
about
flooding?
I
was
told
yes,
but
then
after
we
started
water
quality,
then
that
kind
of
yes
went
out
the
window
somewhere.
F
We
got
to
have
something
in
place
to
clean
these
ditches
and
we,
our
constituents,
pay
x
amount
of
dollars
to
to
hopefully
be
a
part
of
that
and
a
lot
of
people
calling
me
back
and
forth
about
their
house
getting
flooded.
We
have
a
lot
of
these
rains.
Heavy
rains
coming
down
which
they
don't
happen
all
the
time,
but
when
they
happen
they
throw
people
out.
F
R
B
R
Not
during
this
most
recent
well,
both
during
this.
This
most
recent
rate
study,
as
well
as
the
prior
study
about
10
years
before,
actually
both
had
had
a
variety
of
options
in
terms
of
to
what
extent
things
would
go
and-
and
there
there's
always
a
limit
in
terms
of
of
what
the,
what
the
the
the
customer
is
willing
to
pay
and
the
service
that
they're
that
they
want
to
get
for
that.
And
so
there
has
been
that
balance.
R
That's
there,
but
certainly,
if
there's,
if
there
are
any
any
detailed
locations
about
those
we'll
be
happy
to
look
into
those
outside
outside
of
this.
But
but
and-
and
we
have
listed
on
on
the
website
and-
and
I
know
two
weeks
ago-
there
was
a
request
as
well
by
councilman
ludford.
For
for
a
brief
one-page
summary-
and
we
have
it's-
it's
one
sheet
of
paper-
there's
a
lot
that
goes
on
with
the
water
quality
fee.
I
R
Been
in
effect-
and
we
can
continue
to
abide
by
that.
To
that
extent,
I
think
changing
that
would
certainly
put
us
in
a
situation
where
it
would
be
a
higher
level
of
service
and
and
as
a
result,
there
would
have
to
be
some
sort
of
either
a
reduction
in
other
services
somewhere
or
there'd
have
to
be
an
increase
in
in
the
fee.
In
order
to
go
with
that,
but
I
think
within
those
the
confines
of
that
policy,
we
certainly
are
able
to
operate.
R
R
R
E
F
Okay
and
then
you're
saying
that
if
we
start
putting
out
a
lot
of
dishes
at
one
time
that
costs
more
money,
but
what
what
was
the
cause
several
years
ago
when
we
was
cleaning
our
ditches,
what
was
the
man?
Can
you
give
me
the
information,
the
manpower
that
we
had
back
then
versus
what
we
have
now
I
mean
you
can't
do
it
now
get
that
information
from
me.
R
I
would
just
I
would
just
have
to
look
at
it.
I
I
would
certainly
need
to
know
that
if
you'd
like
to
send
me
the
time
frame
that
you're,
specifically
thinking
about
I've,
I've
been
involved
with
the
program
for
20
years
now,
so
it's
it
would
be
a
little
bit
like
throwing
darts
trying
to
figure
out
what
manpower
was
like
and
at
some
point
in
the
past
compared
to
today.
So
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
do
that
without
understanding
more
specifically
about
what
you
want.
R
R
R
And
again,
as
I
say,
councilman
there's
there's
not
been
any
any
any
change
in
that
policy
for
the
last
10
years
for
sure
and
there's
not
been
any.
There
was
not
any
significant
change
in
it
even
then
so
again,
if,
if
there
are
specific
instances
or
locations
where
there's
an
issue
I'll
be
glad
to
look
into
that
more
specifically
offline
as
okay,
I'll
well.
F
O
All
right
bill,
I
don't
see
any
anybody
else's
hands
right
now,
but
have
you
folks
ever
been
here
over
seven
years,
and
I
know
this
subject
has
come
up
several
times
and
justin's
still
on
here,
even
though
it's
muted
but
have
you
folks
ever
look
at
different
service
level?
That's
a
greater
service
level.
Obviously
it's
going
to
cost
more
money.
Have
you
ever
looked
at
the
ramifications
of
that
and
come
up
with
some
idea
in
case
the
council?
O
R
And
in
both
times
when
there
has
been
a
a
level
of
service
cost
of
service,
there
have
been
multiple
options
that
have
been
they've
been
available.
In
both
cases,
the
there
is
one
at
least
one
or
or
more
than
one
that
are
higher
than
our
current
level
of
service
that
are
on
the
table,
and
none
of
those
have
been
selected
from
either
of
those
two
rate
studies,
but
they
have
been.
R
O
R
Yes
and
I
I'm
I'm
going
to
continue
to
stay
on
in
case,
there
are
questions
at
the
end
of
at
the
conclusion
of
mr
bollander's
presentation,
but
at
this
time,
justin
bolander
from
hdr
engineering
is
is
here
and
and
by
way
of
some
background
on
this.
This
is
this
has
to
do
with
the
evaluation
of
tiered
rates
which
are
used
by
by
some
other
programs
in
that
and
and
sort
of
what
is
the?
R
What
is
an
equitable
and
fair
rate
structure,
and
how
does
our
rate
structure
compare
to
those,
and
so
there
had
been
at
the
time
a
series
of
of
a
couple
of
different
scopes
that
were
looked
at
with
the
council
at
the
time
and
and
the
one
that
mr
bollander
is
here
to
report
on
now
is
actually
one
from
that
was
selected
by
the
by
the
council.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
justin
bollander
with
hdr.
S
Hello,
everyone
glad
to
be
here
presenting
with
you
today
and
talking
about
the
results
of
this
tiered
rate
structure.
Evaluation
we've
had
the
results
finished
for
quite
some
time
and
I'm
glad
to
finally
get
to
get
to
present.
Everyone
can
hear
me:
we
got
volume
and
we're
good
they're,
not
hearing
any
no's.
S
So
throughout
the
presentation
I've
got
about
15
slides,
I'm
trying
not
to
talk
too
fast.
I'm
really
going
to
talk
about
the
process
that
we
went
through
a
little
bit
about
the
history
of
how
we
got
there
and
then
we'll
talk
about.
One
of
the
topics
that
we
looked
into
was
the
fairness
equity,
the
socio-economic
objectives
of
considering
this.
This
change
we'll
talk
about
the
results
and
costs
to
implement
and
then
we'll
go
through
some
some
questions
and
answers.
S
So
at
the
implementation
of
the
last
level
in
cost
of
service
rate
study,
the
council
asked
us
to
to
look
at
what
it
would
take
to
change
the
current
program
over
to
two-year
rate
structure.
So
that
was
when
the
fiscal
year
2019
budget
was
put
into
effect
and
we
started
considering
this
process
from
then
and
now.
We're
ready
to
to
walk
through
the
results
here,
so
the
the
current
rate
structure
is
based
on
a
flat
rate
approach.
S
It's
been
implemented
since
2003
and
the
equivalent
residential
unit
or
the
square
footage
of
impervious
area
on
a
on
a
typical
residential
lot
was
computed
to
be
3
200
square
feet.
That's
based
on
a
statistical,
sorry,
statistical,
random
sample
of
residential
properties
throughout
the
city.
So
right
now,
single
family
residential
parcels
just
pay
that
that
one
flat
rate
fee
126
dollars
around
there
and
then
for
non-single-family
residential
parcels
commercials
multi-family
units
they
pay
based
on
the
amount
of
the
impervious
area
they
have
based
on
that
eru.
S
S
S
Each
of
these
six
communities
has
a
tiered
program
right
now.
The
the
table
here
is
showing
the
square
footage
of
each
of
those
tiers
that
these
programs
have
some
other
two-tier.
Some
have
three
and
really
the
the
split
or
the
you
know
how
they
come
up
with.
These
tiers
is
really
based
on
how
the
size
and
the
amount
of
properties
they
have.
S
So
after
we
were
able
to
gather
this
information,
one
of
the
criteria
that
we
looked
at
was
equity
and
fairness
really
to
understand
how
each
program
kind
of
fits
into
that
criteria,
and
so
we
gave
each
one
a
ranking
between
between
one
and
five,
so
the
highest
ranking
being
five.
We
assign
that
to
the
total
impervious
area
method.
Now
none
of
these
six
programs
or
chattanooga
uses
this
method.
L
S
Based
on
down
to
100
square
feet
so
that
that
program
takes
the
the
most
data
intensive,
the
most
labor
intensive
to
to
understand,
individually,
how
each
property
gets
assigned
that
impervious
area
and
then
they're
built
just
based
on
that
amount.
A
step
down
from
that
would
be
a
tiered
program
where
all
of
the
properties
are
measured.
Where
you
have
good
data
to
be
able
to
get
into
the
gis
programs,
understand
the
aerial
photography
and
the
information
that
you
can
gather
on
each
of
those
properties
and
actually
measure
it
and
assign
each
to
a
tier.
S
S
Communities
will
use
estimates
when
they
don't
have
good
data
and
that
data
doesn't
exist
when
they
don't
really
know
how
much
in
impervious
areas
on
each
property
and-
and
you
know
that
that
really
is,
is
something
that
takes
time
and
takes
effort
and
and
takes
expenditure
of
of
cost
to
accurately
know
what
that
information
is
and
apply
it.
So
that's
why,
when
you
talk
about
fairness
and
equity
that
estimating
versus
measuring
it
really
is
the
cost
and
the
effort
that
would
go
into
that
tiered
program.
That
would
make
it
more
fair.
S
When
we
talk
about
tiered
programs
and
looking
at
ways
to
combat
and
and
increase
our
our
socioeconomic
goals
and
objectives
is
with
with
the
tiered
program
with
the
water
quality
program,
it's
difficult
to
track.
That
and
reason
being,
is
that
the
folks
that
pay
these
you
know
these
fees?
We
don't
have
the
data
on
on
income
and
socioeconomic
status,
so
it's
difficult
to
determine
who
who
benefits
from
from
these
types
of
goals?
S
S
You
know
it
could
be
a
a
property,
an
elderly
property
owner
that
already
has
the
the
property
paid
off,
but
yet
they
they
have
a
a
low
income.
So
it's
it's
just
not
always
a
direct
relationship
and
the
same
thing
with
property
value
and
income
is
not
always
a
direct
relationship
with
impervious
area
and
runoff
could
have
a
more
expensive
property,
that's
smaller
than
a
large
property
that
has
more
impervious
area.
S
S
So
here's
a
summary
of
the
criteria
rankings
for
the
six
programs.
We
were
able
to
to
discuss
with
all
these
programs.
We
didn't
get
a
lot
of
input
back
from
from
nashville
metro,
so
we
weren't
able
to
feel
real
comfortable
with
that
data,
but
the
these
are
the
nine
rankings
that
we
have.
The
first
eight
are
the
ones
you
see
here.
The
equity
and
fairness.
The
one
we've
already
talked
about
is
across
the
bottom,
which
held
an
importance
factor
of
two.
S
So
that's
why
you
see
a
total
of
50.,
so
this
is
a
scale
from
from
0
to
50,
and
we
looked
at
things
like
is
the
program
legally
defensible?
Has
it
been?
Has
it
been
tried
in
court
before?
Have
there
been
results
there?
How
much
impervious
areas
were
estimated?
What's
the
public
perception
and
the
basis
for
implementation,
and
these
things
all
came
into
effect
to
to
show
us
this,
this
total
score.
S
S
So
here
we
have
the
same
nine
criteria
and
you
can
see
the
preferred
tier
program.
We
pulled
out
there's
griffin,
georgia
and
we
also
scored
chattanooga's
flat
rate
eru
program
along
these
same
criteria
and
then,
as
we
talked
about
before
the
kind
of
top
level
of
impervious
area
methods,
is
looking
at
the
total
impervious
area
method
and
that
scores
somewhat
higher
than
than
chattanooga
the
current
program.
So
another
just
graph
here,
showing
those
three
programs
they're
very
close
and
that's
just
the
total
scoring
so
the
cost
to
implement.
S
S
Currently
there
may
be
some
data
gaps.
There
might
be
other
information
that
has
to
be
collected,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
there
would
have
to
be
another
round
of
level
and
cost
of
service
study,
to
figure
out
how
those
tiers
would
then
combine
with
the
current
level
and
cost
of
service
to
to
see
how
that
rate
would
would
fall
out
into
those
into
each
of
those.
Two
years,
so
the
the
total
cost
to
implement
the
program
is,
is
really
unknown
at
this
time,
but
it
would
be
somewhere.
S
R
R
B
So
I
noticed
when
you
compared
griffin,
georgia,
to
the
way
we
do
it
as
far
as
being
equitable
and
and
all
of
that
they
came
out
very
close,
and
I
guess
what
I
can't
understand
is
how
it's
equitable
for
a
thousand
square
foot
house
and
a
four
thousand
square
foot
house
to
pay
the
same
storm
water
fee,
because
I'm
assuming
a
thousand
square
foot
house
is
not
running
as
much
water
off
of
their
property.
As
a
four
thousand
square
foot
house.
R
R
R
S
S
We
can
see
it
so
councilman,
henderson,
the
the
equity
and
fairness
here
is
on
line
number
nine
and
you
can
see
there
where
griffin,
georgia
does
rank
higher
than
chattanooga
in
regards
to
equity
and
fairness,
and-
and
this
really
goes
back
to,
if
you
look
at
one
of
the
other,
tiered
programs
that
don't
use
so
much
accuracy
in
their
measurements
to
to
gather
those
impervious
areas,
they
did
rank
lower
than
that
we
have
there
for
chattanooga.
So
it
really
comes
down
to
you
know.
S
If
you
have
a
thousand
square
foot
house
compared
to
a
to
a
4,
000
square
foot
house,
it
really
comes
down
to
applying
that
through
the
program,
and
you
end
up
with
someone
who
has
a
thousand
square
foot
or
you
know,
1900
square
foot
house.
They
end
up
paying
less
than
someone
who
has
a
2,
000
square
foot
house
well
did
did
that
19
000
square
foot
house
and
that
2
000
square
foot
house
get
measured
the
same
way.
It
did
all
that
data
come
together
in
an
accurate
manner
to
provide
that
split.
S
So
you
just
end
up
with
a
lot
more
effort
to
come
up
with
the
overall
program
that
places
everyone
accurately
in
that
tier.
So
on
the
surface,
while
you
compare
the
thousand
to
the
four
thousand
and
that's
a
pretty
easy
question,
but
it
starts
to
become
a
lot
more
of
a
gray
area
when
you
look
at
all
those
different
possibilities:
that
kind
of
layer
up
in
those
two
years:
okay,.
B
J
S
J
It
be
a
million
dollars.
Would
it
be
here's
where
I'm
going
with
this?
It
couldn't
just
cost
230
000.
It's
got
to
cost
a
lot
more
than
that
to
get
your
ultimate
information
and
that's
cool,
I'm
not
debating
that.
My
question
is:
have
we
done
a
cost
benefit
analysis
on
projections
to
show
ultimately,
once
this
is
all
done,
what
the
impact
with
the
ultimate
impact
would
be.
H
R
Okay,
yeah
well,
just
just
to
just
just
to
chime
in
on
that
I
I
do.
I
do
believe
it
would
certainly
be
north
of
500
000
and
could
very
easily
be
closer
to
three
quarters
of
a
million
or
a
million
dollars
once
it's
all
once
it's
all
completed
now.
As
far
as
the
scope
of
this
contract
and
a
cost-benefit
analysis,
no
ma'am
there
is,
there
has
not
been
one
done.
R
J
R
R
Chattanooga
chattanooga
uses
today
than
utilize
tiered
systems
and
tiered
systems
are
used
as
a
way
to
either
either
estimate
or
to
try
to
you
know
to
try
to
share
some
of
that
load
in
a
different
way,
but
they
are
suspect
to
two
legal
challenges
and
they're
suspect
to
either
higher
administrative
costs
or
higher
overhead
in
order
to
get
there.
So
at
this
point
I
I
don't
know
that
I
can
say
that
there
that
there
is
a
benefit
one
way
or
the
other.
I
do
believe
that
it
opens
the
door.
R
R
Well,
if
you
follow
this
methodology
on
the
tiered
system,
then
then
your
program
stands
up
just
fine
and
it's
because
they're
all
done
differently
and
there's
a
different
reason
for
selecting
the
way
those
tears
there
and
that-
and
that
was
that
was
something
that
I
think
justin
bolander
was
was
alluding
to
from
their
discussions
with
these
communities
was
many
times
either.
Either
these
communities
were
making
these
decisions
either
to
reduce
their
upfront
cost
and
estimate
things,
because
that
was
a
less
expensive
way
or
they
were.
D
R
R
The
example
of
the
size
of
the
house,
size
of
the
house
doesn't
necessarily
dictate
in
any
way
what
the
runoff
is,
because
is
that
all
on
one
level
or
is
it
on
multiple
levels?
And
so
there
there
are
a
lot
of
different
factors
that
really
contribute
to
that
and
and
which,
which
are
not
necessarily
tied
into
that
to
that
existing
data.
R
J
F
This
is
piggyback
on
customer
verbs
and
I'm
going
to
ask
that
question
about
square
footage.
It's
based
off
the
roofs
and
not
necessarily
the
house
itself,
so
that
if
you
had
a
150
home
versus
a
two
million
dollar
home
and
the
roof
is
basically
the
same
for
the
two
million
dollar
home
and
three
stories
high.
F
R
F
So
that
some
of
these
older
homes
have
a
lot,
have
multiple,
just
multiple
driveway,
but
the
newer
homes
being
built,
especially
ones
that
are
a
million
on
up.
They
are
using
different
materials
that
would
not
necessarily
concrete,
but
it's
copy
where
water
can
go
through,
where
it
won't
cost
as
much
money,
because
I
know
one
time
the
airport
was
gonna,
do
the
same
thing
for
building
sidewalks,
where
the
sidewalks
would
be
where
water
can't
soak
through,
where
without
using
concrete,
it's
called
something
else.
Exact
name.
L
F
Have
to
do
it
three
to
four
years,
because
if
someone's,
if
you
come
out
the
first
time,
there's
no
concrete
at
all,
and
then
you
come
back
in
four
years,
I
gotta
conquer
everywhere,
so
you
have
to
redo
this
quarterly.
I
mean
every
what
two
or
three
years
to
evaluate
how
much
they
probably
paying
for
water.
R
O
C
Thanks
now
we
need
about
40
minutes
on
this
question,
so
we
should
be
in
good
shape
chairman
we
kind
of
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
before
bill
or
justin,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
tear
finding,
so
if
we
were
to
move
to
a
tier
system-
and
it
would
that
process
be
defensible,
we
kind
of
talked
about
that
before,
but
in
the
challenge
process
would
we
have
to
create
a
challenge
process?
Much
like
the
I
guess,
the
assessor
of
property.
R
Thank
you
councilman
to
in
regards
to
your
first
question.
There
certainly
is
a
is
a
requirement
under
under
state
law
that
there
be
a
an
appeal
process
or
a
challenge
process
that's
in
place
regarding
the
amount
of
any
bill
for
a
utility
fee,
that's
billed
for
water
quality
or
storm
water,
and
so
there
there
currently
is
one
now,
as
you
can
imagine,
the
by
far
the
vast
majority
of
those
that
we
receive
right
now
are
all
non-residential,
because,
typically
the
questions
we
get
on
residential
have
to
do
with.
R
Well,
what
is
the
fee,
and
why
am
I
being
charged
as
opposed
to?
I
think,
I'm
in
the
wrong
tier
or
I
want
to
be
put
into
another
location,
all
right.
You
know
I
think
you've
mismeasured
and
so
there's
there's
not
any
measurement
component
right
now
with
where
we
are,
because
that
assumption
is
that
it's
it
is
this
statistically
correct
sample.
So
that's
that
certainly
would
would
go
up
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people.
R
R
Those
that
are
those
that
are
shifting
from
one
methodology
to
another
are
tending
to
go
from
from
an
estimated
or
measured
tier
system
to
a
fully
measured
system
or
something
similar
to
that.
That's
again,
most
of
those
decisions
for
for
for
utilizing,
the
tier
in
most
municipalities
are
are
based
on.