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A
A
B
B
All
right,
I
keep
looking
at
this
mirror
or
this
board
I
know
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
Welcome
to
our
pre-thanksgiving
Tuesday
November
22nd
agenda
session.
If
I
can
get
a
motion
on
our
minutes,
I
do
have
a
motion
on
the
minutes.
Minutes
will
stand
without
objection.
We
have
ordinances
in
final
reading
under
planning,
councilman
Henderson,
no
issues
there,
Madame
Vice,
chair
no
issues
in
your
District
all
right.
Moving
into
public
works,
I
will
watch
the
board
if
you
have
any
comments
or
questions
under
Economic,
Development
mayor's
office
still
Vicki
and
Phil.
B
This
now
is
your
time
to
back
out.
If
you'd
like,
let
me
know,
I
can
I
can
I
can
get
you
off
there.
Okay,
then
you're
on
we're
going
to
keep
you
there.
Okay,
they're
very
good.
Now
we'll
move
into
purchases.
We
have
three
for
this
evening.
We
have
a
sole
source.
We
have
no
emergency
purchases
and
I
believe
no
request
for
proposals
this
evening.
B
You'll
take
a
look
there.
One
question
I
did
bring
up
on.
The
second
purchasing
item
was
because
we
have
three
vendors
Kevin.
You
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
how
we
have
changed
ours.
Oh
Brent,
I
see
you
sorry
I
see
that
bright
orange
vest
back
there
about
how
we
have
changed
when
we
have
multiple
entities
listed
on
a
purchase
of
two.
B
C
Inside
of
a
contract,
so
when
we
have
a
blanket
that's
awarded
to
multiple
vendors,
essentially,
what
happens
is
is
whoever
answers.
First
gets
to
come,
do
the
work
or
if
it's
you
know,
they've
worked
on
a
specific
item
in
the
past,
and
we
need
them
to
come
back
and
work
on
that.
But
this
covers
all
three.
There
were
four
responses
we
awarded
to
three
of
the
four
and
those
three
can
do
work
under
this
blanket
anywhere
throughout
the
city.
C
Until
we
get
up
to
two
million
dollars
in
expenditures
and
then
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
council,
but
essentially
I
mean
if
it's
a
specific
thing
that
that
company's
worked
on
then
they
may
get
called
back
specific.
For
that
or
you
know,
whoever
is
available
to
do
the
service
fastest
would
would
also
be
how
we
do
it
and
we
do
that.
We
do
it
that
way,
for
several
blankets
throughout
the
city,
like
Plumbing
electrical
different
things.
B
I
had
brought
up
this
morning
just
given
a
past
circumstance
that
I
was
a
little
concerned
about,
but
it
feels
like
we've.
We've
got
that
under
control.
Okay,
any
other
questions
on
our
purchases
for
this
evening.
D
Thank
you,
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
draw
some
attention
to
two
items.
The
first
is
account
so
as
item
6A
related
to
the
record.
Ordinance
and
I
personally
have
studied
this
and
am
feeling
really
good
about
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
to
councilwoman.ly
for
doing
the
work
on
that.
It
feels
like
a
fair
update
with
with
our
current
economic
environment,
the
other
piece
that
I
wanted
to
draw
some
attention
to
is
item
7A
under
resolutions.
Economic
Development,
the
Tiff
financing
policies.
D
E
E
We
also
in
talking
with
the
county,
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
clear
how
we
calculated
the
annual
administrative
fee
relative
to
how
the
county
calculates
their
annual
administrative
fee
just
to
make
sure
that
there's
consistency
there
and
then,
of
course,
we've
made
sure
to
clarify
and
just
to
clean
up
some
of
the
language
in
the
provision
around
the
prohibition
against
multi-family
housing.
So
that
is
unchanged.
E
So
this
tip
policy
does
not
change
our
stance
on
multi-family
housing,
however,
I
will
say-
and
of
course
Nicole
is
here-
and
she
and
I
are
actively
working
on
this
as
we
speak
as
I
promised
that
we
would-
and
so
we
are
in
the
process
of
reviewing
all
of
our
policies
and
all
of
the
incentives
and
levers
that
we
can
use
used
to
stimulate,
affordable
housing.
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
that's
a
must,
and
so
she
and
I
are
in
the
process
of
reviewing
those
things
and
we'll
come
back
to
the
council.
E
Once
we
have
more
of
a
comprehensive
list
of
things
that
we
can
do
sort
of
in
the
aggregate,
instead
of
trying
to
do
things
in
a
piecemeal
fashion
and
then,
of
course,
the
tip
policy
also
just
sort
of
clears
clarifies
some
of
the
language
around
the
stormwater
fee
requirement,
but
the
stormwater
fees
are
still
required.
So
it
is
just
clean
up
from
the
previous
document.
We
have
not
changed
anything
substantially
about
the
Tiff
policy.
D
Ahc
I
haven't
heard
that
phrase
yet
Nicole
and
I
had
a
long
conversation
last
week
and
you
all
I
I
think
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
had
her
join
the
team
at
the
city
and
her
perspective
on
thoughtful
way
to
approach
financing
was
was
really
inspirational
to
me.
So
I
think
we
all
have
a
lot
to
look
forward
to
in
2023
as
it
relates
to
getting
our
affordable
housing
policy
in
lockstep
with
what
we
want
to
accomplish.
B
B
D
No
I
did
not
get
any
answers
about
the
items
related
to
code
as
I've
reflected
on
that
I
mean
I'm,
not
honestly,
not
surprised
that
I
didn't
get
answers,
because
I
think.
The
question
that
I
asked
is
something
that
is
is
bigger.
F
D
B
Thank
you
appreciate
the
questions
you
asked
last
week,
all
right
Council.
If
you
will
continue
into
ordinances
and
resolutions
for
our
proposed
agenda,
I'll
watch
the
board
for
any
questions.
B
B
F
You
Mr
chair
so
last
week,
I
brought
up
sort
of
for
discussion
or
thought
anyway
about
the
maybe
offering
an
amendment
to
the
C2.
That
would
reflect
what
everybody's
trying
to
currently
do
in
the
ugc.
As
far
as
creating
some
density
in
these
motels
to
address
the
the
density
issue
so
and
I've
had
some
conversations
with
Karen
and
I.
F
Think
RPA
would
rather
have
some
direction
from
this
Council,
so
Mr
chair,
I,
guess
what
I'm
asking
is,
if
we
could
sort
of
I
think
consents
this
direct
RPA
to
perhaps
draft
some
language
that
would
address
the
density
issue
in
the
C2
so
that
these,
the
developers
that
are
wanting
to
develop
these
motels
into
more
permanent
housing
can
do
so
without
having
to
come
before
the
council
to
seek
ugc
rezoning.
Every
time.
B
So
I
don't
see
any
lights,
so
I'm
going
to
look
around
the
room
here
and
I'm,
seeing
no
objections.
I
actually
think
that
is
a
excellent
idea.
Personally
and
I
also
did
some
research
on
my
own
in
conversations
with
the
City
attorney
and
miss
renick
about
the
very
same
thing.
So
if
there
is
no
objection
Karen,
you
want
to
take
the
podium
real
quick.
If
you
don't
care.
B
I
know
that
one
item
that
you
and
I
had
particularly
addressed
was
ensuring
that
the
parking
requirements
with
a
conversion
stay
relevant
or
we
adhere
to,
and
that's
something
that
I
think
is
is
important
as
we
would
were
to
convert
something
over
and
also
to
consider,
because
folks
obviously
would
maybe
have
a
guest
or
they
would
have
two
cars
versus
one
car
going
through
Travelers.
So
do
you
want
to
touch
on
that?
Just
a
little
bit
sure.
G
We
had
I
did
talk
to
Dallas
when
I
had
this
came
up
at
Council
last
week
and
just
thinking
about
what
a
conversion,
what
some
of
the
impacts
were.
One
of
the
items
that
came
up
was
parking
just
a
comment
that
when
someone
comes
to
a
motel
or
hotel,
they
come
in
a
car
leaving
a
leaving
a
vehicle,
but
that
if
it's
a
multi-family
housing,
someone
might
be
staying
there.
They
might
have
guests
and
just
to
look
at
the
that
the
requirement
for
multi-family
parking
might
be
into
play.
B
Okay,
so
I
agree
wholeheartedly
that
the
use
of
ugc
and
dropping
these
around
to
satisfy
this
need
is
probably
not
in
our
best
interest
and
if
it's
and
and
councilman
Henderson
you,
you
gave
me
a
chuckle
last
week
when
you
said
we
finally
found
something
and
C2
doesn't
allow
and
my
goodness
you're
absolutely
correct.
How
do
we
do
that?
That's
the
needle
in
the
haystack!
B
B
H
Ask
you
and
and
I
guess.
Let
me
ask
my
colleagues
one
quick
question:
is
it
your
understanding
that
people
wouldn't
convert
these
things
if
they
couldn't
have
the
density?
H
H
Are
we
doing
a
disservice
to
the
people
who
need
this
kind
of
housing
by
allowing
this
one,
this
stack
of
one
room,
efficiencies
and
I
guess
I'm
thinking
about
you,
chip
about
affordable
housing
doesn't
have
to
be
in
look
a
certain
way.
H
Are
we
not
creating
an
even
bigger
Monster
by
not
requiring
a
little
more?
What
do
I
want
to
say
it?
What
we're
doing
is
creating
immediate
problems
in
some
cases.
H
By
allowing
the
same
density,
what
they're
doing
what
we're
doing
is
what
some
of
I
that
I
heard
you
all
criticizing,
and
that
is
you,
have
these
same
rooms
and
you
throw
in
a
microwave
or
whatever,
and
it
becomes
really
not
the
still,
not
the
kind
of
housing
that
we
want
to
give
people
dignity,
and
that's
that's
where
I'm
going
with
that.
You
see
where
I'm
going.
H
H
It's
like
putting
lipstick
on
a
pig
and
throwing
a
microwave
in
there
and
does
that
get
us
where
we
want
to
be
and
it
and
it's
a
density
thing
that
got
me.
So
if
you
have
72
of
these,
then
you're
do
you're
going
to
have
72
still
not
okay
places
for
people
and
say,
but
we
got
you
affordable
housing
except
the
housing
the
what
people
are
having
to
pay
for
that
there's
something
wrong
there,
that
that's
all
I'm
thinking
about
and
and
maybe
more
discussion
about
it
so
I'm.
What
I
hear
what
everybody's
saying!
H
H
H
Which
is
the
point
is
that
if
we
just
take
a
ugc-
and
we
say
if
we
just
take
a
ugc
and
say
oh
well,
the
problem
is
it's
not
Urban?
Well,
it's
just
a
label,
we
could
call
it
an
ABC.
The
problem
is
that
we
want
to
come
up
with
a
Zone.
H
H
Well,
we
tried
it
well,
sometimes
in
the
face
of
Economic
Development,
we
lose
it
and
the
people
that
suffer
are
the
people
that
we're
trying
to
help
and
and
I
I
really
feel
pretty
strongly
about
that.
From
the
case
we
went
through
last
week,
there's
all
kinds
of
others
out
there
the
same
thing,
the
the
place
in
East
Ridge
that
got
closed.
H
There's
this
all
over
and
somehow
we're
missing
the
message
of
cleanliness
and
dignity
and
quality
for
the
people
that
really
need
it,
because
we're
just
saying
well,
let's
just
get
them
off
the
streets.
Well,
there's
more
to
that
syndrome
than
just
getting
them
off
the
street.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
there
needs
to
be
more
discussion.
I
see
you
popping
up,
but
I,
don't
care
I!
Think
there
needs
to
be
more
discussion.
You
have.
We
have
certain
quality
requirements
for
the
Housing
Authority.
H
We
have
certain
quality
requirements,
so
it's
more
than
just
getting
people
off
the
streets
into
substandard
housing,
it's
more
than
just
taking
away
a
ugc.
Okay,
call
it
a
a
rgc,
a
rural
G
I
mean
I,
don't
care
what
you
call
it!
It's
that
when
you
think
the
answer
is
just
renaming,
it
call
it
a
C2
and
condition
it
I
think,
there's
more
to
that.
It's
the
Dignity
of
the
people
and
really
solving
the
problem
like
we're
trying
to
do
at
the
airport
in
or
others,
but
I
I
think
there's
just
more
to
it.
H
I,
don't
disagree
and
I
don't
think
we
can
Silo
and
say
well
we're
just
talking
about
zoning
I
think
that
if
people
want
to
turn
things
over
and
if
they
I
have
no
problem
with
people
making
money
we're
a
capitalistic
Society,
that's
fine,
but
not
on
the
backs
of
the
people
that
we're
trying
to
help
give
a
leg
up
to
get
up
and
out.
Okay,
I
there's
something
wrong
with
that
and
we're
not
having
that
discussion
along.
H
H
And
so
we're
sitting
talking
about
all
this
stuff.
What
about
the
substance
of
and
the
Dignity
of
the
people
that
we
say
we're
trying
to
help
I
mean?
Are
we
just
trying
to
get
bodies
off
the
street,
or
are
we
really
trying
to
get
people
back
in
in
in
quality
circumstances?
Again,
sorry
I,
but
you
know
I
nobody's
discussing
that
and
that.
B
D
Thank
you
chair.
My
thought
about
the
C2
expansion
of
density
is
as
we
look
at,
that
Karen
I'd
like
to
really
understand
what
other
consequences
that
could
potentially
have
and
how
we
limit
it,
because
this
change
is
really
I,
think
generated
by
a
specific
concept
of
a
hotel
being
moved
into
a
full-time
residential
facility.
D
D
A
motel
or
a
hotel
that
is
converted
into
an
apartment
style
living
does
not
mean
that
it
is
a
slum.
We
have
one
in
District
Seven
right
here
at
passenger
Flats
and
we
can
get
one
for
one
thousand
three
hundred
one
thousand
two
hundred
and
thirty
nine
dollars
a
month.
If
we
do
anything
less
than
a
12
month
lease
or
we
get
100
bucks
off
50
bucks
off.
D
If
we
do
a
12-month
lease-
and
it
is
a
that
is
for
a
348
square
foot
unit
and
I-
don't
think
anybody
feels
like
passenger
Flats
is
a
Wobegon
place
to
live.
You
get
access
to
you,
get
Wi-Fi,
you
get
you
don't
you
don't
have
ex
other
expenses,
and
so
this
is
a
longer
conversation
to
have,
but
we've
opened
the
door
to
it
of
are.
We
is
density,
bad,
which
it
sounds
like
from
District
Six
perspective.
There's.
Definitely
skepticism
of
density
is
a
small
home.
D
Or
your
type
of
countertop,
better
or
worse,
I,
mean
I.
Think
that
that's
kind
of
where
we're
headed
with
that.
If,
if
I
don't
want
to
live
there,
then
it's
not
quality
enough
and
that's
not
really
what
affordable
housing
is
about
and
at
our
most
we
need
to
open
the
door
to
ways
for
the
private
sector
for
profit
Market
to
develop
housing
that
meets
affordability,
standards
for
people
making
less
than
sixty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
D
Flushing
toilets
and
roofs
and
insulation
and
things,
and
if
they
all
look
like
passenger
plants,
that's
great!
That's
not
what
you're
getting
right!
Well
right
now
we
aren't
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
another
motel
conversion
into
a
full-time
apartment
other
than
passenger
Flats.
What
we
have
are
long-term
stay
motels
that
do
not
have
long-term
leases.
D
So
as
a
lessee,
you
do
not
have
like
when,
when
these
folks
have
gone
to
Superior,
Lodge
or
Budgetel
or
chat
Suites,
they
do
not
have
a
standard
lease
with
standard
rights
Associated
to
that
lessee
and
to
me
that
is
definitely
part
of
the
dignity,
but
also
one
challenge
of
the
one
or
one
opportunity
for
those
is
you
don't
have
to
have
first
and
last
month's
rent
either
and
that's
a
lot
of
money.
I
mean
much
bigger
discussion,
but
good
thing,
because
we
got
till
six.
D
We
got
time
to
kill
man,
sorry
chair,
so
we
have
plenty
of
time
to
talk
about
this,
even
though
we
are
off
topic
related
to
the
zoning
itself
and
I
think
all
the
better
that
we
have
Nicole
here
and
if
it
pleases
the
body
after
we
go
around.
Perhaps
we
can
have
her
speak
to
why
these
might
be
a
useful
housing
type
in
our
community.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
A
Just
had
a
question
for
Karen
in
regards
to
this
a
proposed
idea
of
of
changing
C2.
Are
we
currently
working
on
a
revamp
of
our
current
zoning
code?
Yes,
we
are
so
we
can
address
these
type
of
issues
within
that
revamp
right.
G
Yes,
we
can
one
of
the
kind
of
the
items
we're
particularly
looking
at
is
emerging
uses,
things
that
are
new
to
our
community
that
we
might
not
have
dealt
with
before.
Okay.
E
I
I
obviously
want
to
show
do
deference
to
the
city
council
conversation,
because
it's
an
important
conversation,
as
all
of
you
have
indicated,
I,
do
think
that
it
is
incredibly
important
for
us
as
the
administration
to
point
out.
E
Nevertheless,
I
understand
where
councilwoman
Burns
is
coming
from
in
terms
of
the
conversation
about
quality
and
I
certainly
understand
that.
But
we
don't
believe
that
quality
has
to
be
sacrificed
at
the
expense
of
density,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
on
the
record.
B
Points
very
well
presented.
Jermaine.
Thank
you.
My
last
question
is
Karen.
You
were
here
a
minute
ago.
Oh
there
you
are,
you
can
have
apartments
in
C2.
That's.
B
So
I
think
what
we're
basically
talking
about
is
possibly
amending
and
I
appreciate,
Madame
by
chair,
bringing
up
the
zoning
process
that
we're
involved
in
because
it
could
be
Chris.
Maybe
are
we
a
year
out
from
that?
We
talked
about
this
when
we
were
talking
about
short-term
vacation
rentals
roughly
a
year
year
and
a
half
a
year.
B
G
B
Go
to
a
full-blown
ugc,
because
when
you
go
to
a
full-bone
ugc
like
we
did
on
the
highway,
that
property
now
has
a
five-story.
Coupled
with
that
and
if
we're
worried
about
density,
then
we've
got
five
stories
there
and
no
conditions
and
ugc
is
a
very
powerful
tool
that
we've
seen
being
used
around
the
city
but
I
think
with
the
conversions.
B
The
idea
was
to
Simply
adjust
the
density
in
C2
to
allow
for
affordable
housing
products
to
come
online
and
I'd
agree
with
everything
that
was
said
here
today
and
Nicole
I
hope
you
I'm
glad
you're
sitting
in
here
and
listening
and
digesting
all
this,
because
every
bit
of
this
is
critical.
B
That's
all
I
have
to
say
and
then
I'll
ask
the
final
question
whether
we're
ready
to
move
on
with
that
or
not
but
councilman
Henderson
I
see
you
have
your
light
again,
sir.
Well.
F
That
was
my
question,
or
are
we
directing
RPA
to
come
up
with
an
amendment
to
the
C2
that
would
allow
the
density
that
you
would
gain
in
a
ugc
okay,.
B
Yes,
I
would
I
would
I
would
agree
to
the
conversion.
Do
and
I'll
add
that
that's
part
A
Part
B,
do
we
if
we,
if
we
do
want
to
and
then
all
we're
asking
them
is
to
draft
language.
We're
not
asking
for
this
to
be
put
on
the
agenda,
because
this
has
to
run
run
through
Planning
Commission.
The
second
part
of
that
is,
do
we
want
to
adhere
to
the
parking
requirements
and
what
I
think
we
should
probably
consider
the
parking
requirements
that
already
exists
in
C2.
F
B
So
we'll
go
back
to
the
please
don't
come
with
that!
Council
Madam
Vice
chair,
see
your
light
activated
again.
A
Yeah,
so
could
we
get
I,
guess
I'm
right
now:
I'm
not
ready
to
move
on
anything
I
think
that
we
had
more
information,
just
general
information
from
maybe
councilman
Henderson
just
about
what
this,
what
it
is
since
it
was
just
proposed
and
brought
out
today,
just
more
information
on
that
and
honestly
I
just
think
we
should
address
it
within
the
planning
work,
since
we
spent
so
much
money
getting
getting
a
Consulting
in
and
doing
all
those
things
that
we
should
address
it
within
that
and
and
if
it's
just
a
pressing
issue
that
we
should
move
into
strategic
planning
for
a
full
presentation
and
full
discussion.
A
B
Not
at
this
time
would
you
like
to
see
this
in
strategic
planning?
Yes,
yes,
all
right!
There's
our
Direction
we'll
add
that
to
our
strategic
planning
session,
Madam,
Clerk
and
I'll
get
with
you
on
which
day,
when
I'm
able
to
look
at
the
schedule
more
closely
and
we'll
get
this
into
strategic
planning
all
right,
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
adjourn
to
six.
B
This
is
a
council
meeting.
Sorry
yeah,
not
public
speaking,
is
at
six
o'clock
and
it's
and
it
and
anybody
can
speak
at
the
end
of
our
six
o'clock
meeting
for
three
minutes,
not
during
com,
yeah
yeah.
No,
it's
not
both
meetings.
No
sir
I'm,
sorry
yeah,
but
thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
Council
we're
Journal
six.