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From YouTube: Old Matoaca Elementary Community Meeting 2
Description
BOS Chair and Matoaca District Supervisor Kevin Carroll hosted his second community meeting to discuss concepts for the reuse of the former Matoaca Elementary School building and campus. The meeting provided citizens additional opportunities to learn about the proposed reuse project and offer feedback. This meeting was held on January 10, 2023.
A
Good
evening,
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
This
is
the
second
of
a
meeting
that
we've
come
to
the
community
to
talk
about
the
ReUse
of
the
old
matoka
school
elementary
school.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
in
a
moment
I'm
going
to
introduce
our
panel.
We
have
the
honorable
Kevin
Carroll,
who
is,
of
course,
the
matoka
district
supervisor,
who
was
recently
elected
by
his
peers
to
serve
as
the
chair
of
the
Board
of
Supervisors
for
2023..
A
Next
we
have
Nick
fight,
who
is
our
real
estate,
development
and
housing
coordinator
with
our
Community
Development
Department,
he's
going
to
assist
with
tonight's
presentation
and
next
to
him
we
have
Magna
westerhalt,
who
is
the
multi-family
housing
sector
leader
for
Mosley
architects,
who
has
some
good
information
to
talk
about
in
terms
of
the
potential
use
of
this
of
the
old
school
I
also
want
to
mention.
We
have
the
principal
for
matoka
elementary
with
with
us
tonight,
Melanie
josinkowitz.
A
She
is
here
tonight
if
we
realize
that,
for
many
people,
she's
in
the
back
of
the
room
just
waved
her
hand
after
our
after
our
meeting
tonight.
If
anybody
has
any
interest
in
seeing
portions
of
the
school
learning
about
this
facility
she's
available,
we
realize
that
this
may
be
the
first
time
that
some
of
some
of
the
folks
here
tonight
have
been
inside
this
new
building.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
format,
we'll
welcome
all
the
people
who
are
here
in
person.
We
also
have
a
virtual
audience
tonight.
We
are
streaming
this
meeting
via
Facebook
live,
so
we
do
have
people
who
are
tuning
in
from
home
and
other
places
after
the
presentation
we're
going
to
break
to
a
q
a
session
in
the
panel
tonight
will
take
any
of
your
questions.
We're
also
going
to
be
taking
questions
from
the
virtual
audience
and
kind
of
alternating,
so
we'll
be
Fielding.
A
Those
up
here
as
well,
so
just
a
reminder
that
we
have
a
lot
more
people
than
just
those
in
the
room
tonight
paying
attention
to
this
topic,
but
anyway,
I
appreciate
that
I
just
want
to
take
just
one
more.
Second,
the
slide.
That's
up
on
the
screen.
Now
we
like
to
take
opportunities
like
this
to
let
folks
know
about
all
the
different
ways
that
Chesterfield
County
works
to
communicate
and
engage
with
the
county.
We
try
to
make
that
very
easy
for
you.
We
have
a
website.
That's
called
chesterfield.gov
connect
with
us.
A
If
you
have
a
smartphone,
either
now
or
at
some
point
tonight,
or
we
also
have
handouts
that
have
the
same
thing.
You
can
use
your
smartphone
to
scan
that
QR
code
and
it'll.
Take
you
directly
to
that
site
and
you
can
subscribe
to
any
number
of
products
that
we
put
out,
but
anyway,
without
further
Ado
I'm,
going
to
hand
things
over
to
Mr
Carroll
and
we'll
get
things
started.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
coming
out
tonight.
You
know
we
held
another
community
meeting
a
while
back
and
we
certainly
didn't
have
this
turnout.
We
had
a
good
turnout,
but
this
is
even
better.
You
know
we're
not
trying
to
do
anything
surreptitiously
at
the
county.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
transparent
with
the
community.
This
is
this
would
be
the
third
community
meeting
believe
it
or
not.
B
On
this
topic,
the
first
one
was
held
back
when
in
2019,
when
Steve
Ellsworth
was
on
the
board
and
was
actually
held
at
the
old
school
when
it
was
still
in
use,
and
some
of
the
ideas
that
were
proposed
at
that
meeting
were
incorporated
in
to
what
you're
going
to
see
presented
tonight.
But
this
is
a
community
meeting
and
it's
about
getting
input
and
we
want
to
share
what
we
believe
could
be
a
vision
for
the
school.
It's
an
historic
part
of
this
part
of
the
county,
which
we
want
to
try
and
preserve.
We.
C
Want
to
improve
the
grounds
behind
the
school
and
make
it
a
better
park
with
more
amenities.
Maybe
it's
a
pickleball
court.
Maybe
it's
horseshoes,
maybe
it's
just
a
lawn
that
doesn't
die
in
the
middle
of
summer
when
it
gets
hot,
and
then
we
want
a
community
space
in
that
school
that
we
can
use
and
it's
easy
for
us
to
access
and
can
host
Parks
and
Recreation
program.
Other
events,
maybe
a
birthday
party,
that's
too
big
for
your
house
or
something
else
like
that
nature.
C
These
are
broad
Concepts.
The
specifics
of
what
they
look
like
is
it's
lots
of
possibilities
at
this
point,
so
we
your
team,
we
we
have
experience
with
kind
of
this
process
of
reusing
a
building.
What
do
you
do
with
something
once
it
function
is
better
served
by
somewhere
else
and
we've
kind
of
put
together
this
just
general
concept
of
housing
park,
space
improvements
and
Interior
Community
space
and
I'm
going
to
go
through.
C
All
of
that
and
this
map
I
just
want
to
show
you
this
boundaries
change
based
on
how
many
people
are
in
an
area.
But
if
you
look
at
the
Green
Dot
that
is
Metallica
and
our
orange
circle
is
just
a
that's
a
three
mile
radius
from
that
area,
so
in
these
they're
called
census
tracts
that
touch
that
area.
We
right
now
have
2
600
people
that
are
over
the
age
of
65
and
we
have
another
2600
who
are
55..
C
We
know
that
the
single
biggest
demographic
group
that's
going
to
increase
in
this
country
is
seniors
and
in
housing
generally
people
are
thinking.
How
do
we
build
enough
housing
that
is
just
easier
to
live
in?
Economically,
less
of
a
burden
for
someone
as
they're
aging,
also
better
for
someone's
changing
Health
needs
and
things
of
that
nature.
C
You
just
search
senior
housing
on
Google
or
you
search
55
and
older,
or
you
search,
assisted,
living
or
or
any
of
those
other
housing
types
that
are
in
that
category.
This
is
what
you
get,
so
we
don't
have
anything
outside
of
Petersburg,
Colonial,
Heights,
Chester
and
up
in
the
county
courthouse
that
is
age-appropriate.
C
We
don't
have
anything
right
now
and
maybe
people
are
building
it,
but
if
you're
in
this
area-
and
you
want
to
stay
near
your
family
or
your
neighbors-
that
are
in
this
area
too,
but
maybe
your
single
family
home,
isn't
the
easiest
thing
to
stay
in.
We
don't
necessarily
have
an
option
for
you
and
that's
something.
We
think
we
will
need
and
want
to
provide
and
think
to
be
a
good
good
alternative
for
the
school.
C
C
We
only
are
going
to
build
two
new
homes
on
Lee
Street,
where
the
lots
already
are
and
we're
going
to
make
some
additional
Park
improvements,
because
we
have
extra
space.
That's
if
this
concept
is
something
you
like,
if
you
don't
like
it,
we're
not
going
to
do
any
of
that
and
we'll
do
something
different.
This
is
your
school,
your
facility,
and
it's
important
that
you
feel
you
have
a
sense
of
ownership
and
empowerment
in
it,
foreign
just
a
revised
plan.
C
Is
this
the
laser
pointer?
Yes,
so
we
have
housing.
Here
we
have
a
community
space
in
the
former
library
of
the
school.
We
have
the
homes
here
kind
of
in
line
with
the
other
homes
that
are
there,
and
then
we
have
a
large
on-programmed
lawn,
that's
available
for
all
kinds
of
activities,
but
still
passive
space
for
a
basketball
court
or
a
tennis
court,
pickleball,
horseshoes
or
Bocce,
and
then
a
splash
pad
or
something
that
is
easier
to
sit
at
and
and
trees
planted
throughout,
so
that
it's
very
much
a
Village
Park.
C
D
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
so
good
evening,
I'm
really
happy
to
be
here.
One
of
the
questions
that
we
had,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
is
why
adaptive
reuse
in
this
building
well,
the
oldest
drawings,
that
the
county
had
were
additions
that
were
done
to
the
original
School
building
in
1939,
which
means
that
the
school
building
is
moving
into
its
second
century
and
what's
the
best
way
to
make
sure
that
it
stays.
D
We
looked
at
reusing
all
of
the
building,
including
the
pods
from
the
1970s,
there's
a
lot
of
different
options
for
that.
But
you
really
by
doing
adaptive,
reuse
you
give
New
Life
to
a
building
and
buildings
need
to
breathe
and
kind
of
be
occupied,
and
one
of
the
things
that's
exciting
about
senior
housing
is
that
it's
a
24,
7
use
from
an
architectural
perspective.
The
historic
building
has
a
great
presence
on
the
street
nice
big
windows.
It's
really
speaks
to
the
heart
of
the
community
and
the
hope
would
be
by
repurposing.
D
It
can
be
retained,
restored
maintained
and
utilized
for
people
in
the
community
in
a
different
way,
not
as
a
school.
Obviously,
because
our
needs
are
different
for
the
next
hundred
years,
often
adaptive
reuse
is
the
most
economic
and
expedient
way
to
save
a
building.
It
is
school.
Buildings
are
very
different
today
than
they
were
100
years
ago,
but
those
classroom
units
work
out
well
as
apartment
units
because
they're
deep,
they
have
a
lot
of
Windows
and
they're,
not
as
large
as
today's
classrooms.
D
One
of
the
things
that
senior
housing
does
is
allows
today's
renovation
costs
to
be
paid
by
future
tenants.
It's
a
building
that
has
a
cash
flow
so
that
there
is,
it
doesn't
just
sit
there
and
only
be
used
once
or
twice
go
ahead
next
slide,
so
the
existing
layout
is
shown
there,
and
then
we
did
a
quick
feasibility
study
next
slide
lookie,
and
how
does
it
work
out
if
we
turn
it
into
units?
D
So
this
is
kind
of
very
preliminary
concept
to
say
how
many
apartments
fit
in
here.
What
kind
of
Apartments
would
they
be
we're
thinking
of
a
mix
of
one
and
two
bedroom
units
and
there's
one
studio
just
because
of
the
layout
of
the
floor
plan?
So
this
shows
41
total
units
in
the
existing
building
23
one
bedroom
units
average
size
is
690
square
feet
and
these
sizes
are
kind
of
market
rate
sizes.
If
you
go
and
rent
an
apartment
in
Richmond
and
in
some
Byron's,
this
is
how
large
they
would
be.
D
The
two
bedroom
units
are
about
950
square
feet
and
then,
as
I
said,
there's
the
one
studio
apartment
and
here
is
kind
of
an
artist
sketch
with
showing
that
new
entry
directly
to
the
library
from
the
front.
So
again,
this
would
be
lit
up
at
night.
If
people
were
utilizing
it,
you
could
access
it
directly.
We
looked
at
repurposing
the
auditorium,
but
that's
up
a
lot
of
steps
and
kind
of
deep
in
the
heart
of
the
building.
E
C
Don't
worry,
we're
going
to
come
back
and
get
more
out
of
Magda
in
a
second,
so
I'm,
just
gonna
wrap
this
up
really
quickly
and
show
you
a
few
examples
of
what
adaptive
reuse
of
a
school
building
looks
like
these
are
real
tangible
projects.
They
are
in
Virginia.
So
these
are
just
pictures
of.
As
you
recall,
what
the
school
looked
like.
We've
got
a
picture
in
the
pod
picture
up
there
of
the
stage,
but
the
building
is
it's
been.
C
Schools
have
moved
out
what
they
had
in
terms
of
equipment
and
materials
and
furniture,
and
we
have
taken
steps
to
just
secure
the
property
and
keep
the
systems
on
so
that
the
building
doesn't
deteriorate.
But
at
some
point
you
know
we
want
to
get
on
with
it,
and
you
want
to
see
something.
We
want
to
see
something,
and
these
are
just.
These
are
a
few
pictures
of
what
old
school
buildings
that
have
been
converted
into.
C
Apartments
can
look
like,
and
I'll
and
I'll
show
you
a
few
more
actual
buildings
and
pull
some
things
together,
but
what
Magda
was
talking
about?
There
is
a
program
called
historic
tax
credits
and
they
make
you
do
a
lot
of
things
that
are
tough
to
work
with
in
terms
of
Building
Systems,
but
they
retain
all
the
historic
elements
of
a
building.
So
you
can
see
in
the
bedroom
here
there's
a
chalkboard
on
the
wall
in
these
this
living
room
up
here
at
the
top.
Those
are
the
original
windows
that
were
in
the
school.
C
So
this
is
one
of
the
schools
I
wanted
to
show
you.
This
is
a
school
in
Vinton.
Vinton
is
the
town
that
Roanoke
looks
down
on
it's
right
next
to
it,
and
this
is
a
school
that
it
has
very
similar
layout
to
the
Matoaca
school
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
front
facade
kind
of
those
larger
30
by
20
classrooms
in
the
top.
And
if
you
look
over
here
on
the
side
you
can
see,
this
is
a
typical
apartment.
C
C
This
is
Cape
Charles.
This
is
the
old
Cape
Charles
High
School
Cape
Charles
is
a
town
that
is
three
and
a
half
square
miles.
It's
on
the
eastern
shore
of
Virginia,
there's
1200
people
that
live
there.
They
had
this
school
building
and
they're
about
17
apartments
in
here,
but
what's
really
great
about
this
building
and
it
speaks
to
the
park
that
we're
trying
to
you
know
include
it
looks
out
on
this
Village
Park.
So
this
is
a
green
space.
C
So
if
this
is
something
that
is
of
interest
to
you
guys,
we
have
a
public
survey
and
about
80
people
have
responded
and
we'd
love
to
hit
the
century
mark
and
go
even
higher.
So
please
fill
that
out.
Let
us
know
what
you
think
my
email
address
is
about
to
pop
up
and
please
let
me
know
what
you
think
there
too
or
call
me,
but
if
this
is
some
concept
we
should
continue
to
drill
down
on.
C
Then
we
will
do
that
and
you
know
come
back
to
you
and
say
this
is
what
the
broad
concepts
are.
Now
we
can
get
specific
about
how
many
units
What
specifically
goes
in
the
park.
What
order
things
might
happen
in,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know
kind
of
once
once
the
concept
is
vetted
and
something
you
feel
comfortable
with
we
move
on
to
the
process
of
Surplus
in
the
building,
which
has
a
public
vote
between
the
Board
of
Supervisors.
C
Then
we
go
through
the
rezounding
process
and
the
subdivision
process,
which
involves
meeting
with
our
planning
staff
and
again
a
Planning
Commission
vote
and
the
Board
of
Supervisors
vote.
And
then
we
will
do
another
thing
which
was
draft
a
request
for
proposal
which
basically
says
we
want
to
develop
this
building,
and
here
are
the
constraints
that
the
community
has
dictated
will
be
in
that
Redevelopment,
and
then
we
put
that
out
for
bid
and
people
will
come
and
submit
bids
to
us.
C
So
but
the
first
thing
is
to
get
you
on
board:
get
your
feedback
change
and
improve
whatever
we
need
to
to
make
the
concept,
something
that
you
feel
like
you
can
embrace
so
I'll
just
stop
there
and
we'll
have
questions
and
comments.
Remember,
there's
people
at
home,
people
here
and
I'm,
going
to
put
this
back
up
just
so
we
have
it
for
a
reference.
But
if
there's
any
slide,
you
have
a
question
about
we'll
happy
to
go
back
to
it
and
thank
you
for
being
here
and
listening
to
us
and
let's
do
some
questions.
F
B
It
doesn't
justify
being
used
as
a
police
station.
It
just
doesn't.
The
need
is
not
there
from
the
crime
rate
that
we
have
down
here
and
that's
you
know
that
Chief
of
Police
decision,
but
it's
ours
to
so,
if
I
thought,
for
some
reason
that
there
was
a
big
bad
crime
problem
down
here
and
that
we
had
to
have
a
substation
down
there.
We'd
be
building
one
or
we'd
be
using
the
school,
but
we
don't
have
the
need
for
it.
C
To
you,
this
is
a
simple
question:
has
anyone
done
a
study
of
the
traffic
impacts
and
how
that
will
change
in
the
area
and
will
sidewalks
built?
So
yes,
the
comparison
of
average
vehicular
traffic
here
with
40
Apartments
versus
the
school?
We
have
a
seventh
of
the
traffic
going
in
and
out
of
there
there
won't
be
any
8,
A.M
Peaks
or
three
o'clock
Peaks
either
so
there'll
be
a
lot
less
cars
there
and
then
will
sidewalks
be
built.
Yes,
we
are
hoping
to
build
sidewalks.
C
H
2600
people
over
the
age
of
55.,
so
you're,
looking
at
roughly
3
200
3300
people
in
41
units
really
doesn't
benefit
the
entire
Community,
because
even
if
you
can't
have
a
family
of
five,
so
those
41
units
affect
five
people.
That's
only
205
people
of
that
3
300
people
that
are
just
over
the
age
of
55.
C
I
think
you
underline
the
point
that
if
only
two
percent
of
the
people
that
are
65
or
older
use,
this
will
have
a
wait
list
for
units,
but
I
think
you
should.
You
also
want
to
count
the
number
of
people
who
live
in
this
area,
who
will
be
able
to
visit
the
person
that
they
who
has
moved
out
of
their
home
but
now
lives
in
this
apartment.
C
Even
though
you
may
not
need
the
single
family
home,
but
that
that
might
not
be
true
for
everyone-
and
we
certainly
know
that
it's
not
enough
senior
housing
for
everyone,
but
we
do
think-
and
we
do
know-
that
we're
going
to
have
a
growing
need
for
senior
housing
and
we're
trying
to
make
kind
of
a
range
of
options
available
for
people,
so
they
can
stay
in
their
Community.
Maybe
it's
not
the
same
place.
They
live.
B
You're
right
that
this
does
not
provide
a
large
amount
of
of
units,
it's
a
small
amount,
comparatively
speaking
to
the
population,
but
it's
a
start.
But
if
you
look
at
other
parts
of
the
county
which
they
didn't
show
on
the
map,
there
are
over
55
communities
going
out
in
the
in
the
western
part
of
Hull
Street
up
north
Midlothian
Turnpike
up
and
down
Route
One,
but
there's
nothing
down
here
at
all
and
most
of
those
other
communities
are
being
built
by
developers.
I
mean
someone
has
to
come
in,
put
their
own
money
up
and
decide.
B
H
B
H
B
Have
been
people
who
have
come
forward
to
try
and
do
developments
down
in
this
area?
They
haven't
gone
anywhere.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
George
Emerson
had
off
of
what's
called
Hickory.
Ridge
is
a
800
acre
development
that
was
approved
years
ago
that
he
turned
around
and
turned
into
a
conservation
easement,
which
means
it'll
never
be
developed.
B
Don't
get
commission
for
this,
but
there's
a
lot
of
rumors
going
around
that
he
wants
to
put
a
huge
subdivision
on
the
lake
and
that's
not
the
case,
but
the
piece
of
property
next
to
it
was
zoned
years
ago
for
residential
commercial
mixed
use.
It's
almost
700
Acres,
it's
a
zoning
case
just
sitting
there
that
they
could
actually
literally
come
in
and
apply
to
do.
It's
already
been
approved
it's
already
sitting
there
I
agree
with
you
that
it
could
open
to
door
could.
B
But
the
bottom
line
is
meetings
like
this
in
the
community
still
have
to
be
held
on
any
type
of
zoning
case,
including
this
one,
so
it
would
still
have
to
have
another
community
meeting
or
multiple.
Then
it
would
have
to
have
a
public
hearing
through
the
Planning
Commission
who
knows
Planning,
Commission,
might
say
nope.
B
Well,
the
board
of
super
families,
saying
you
know
what
we
got
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
doesn't
work,
but
what's
unfair
is
and
I've
heard
it
from
some
of
the
people.
You
just
said
it
we're
abandoned
down
here.
No
one
pays
attention
to
us.
We
get
nothing
and
we're
when
looking
at
this
trying
to
go.
B
It
doesn't
serve
everybody.
But
again,
if
someone
else
came
in
and
they
said
we
want
to
do
a
big
development
here,
you
go.
You
all
come
to
the
meeting
and
say
we
don't
want
a
big
development.
There
was
another
one
that
was
proposed
up
off
of
Hickory
Road,
just
a
little
while
ago.
I
talked
about
some
of
that.
The
other
day
that
was
a
700
something
unit.
Originally
that
is
already
zoned
for
360
units.
B
B
For
us,
it's
about
listen
to
to
a
way
that
we
can
preserve
a
historic
School,
make
it
financially
work
and
provide
something
to
the
community.
Here.
You
know
it's
kind
of
the
same
thing
with
Ettrick
library.
For
years,
we
did
an
upgrade
on
it
years
ago,
but
we
didn't
really
bring
it
to
the
the
capacity
that
it
needs
to
be
now
it's
going
to
be
at
the
capacity
it
needs
to
be
to
serve
the
community.
It's
going
to
be
spectacular
when
we're
done.
D
It
doesn't
really
make
sense
for
a
lot
of
other
uses,
as
I
mentioned
before
you
don't
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
repurpose
it
as
a
school
in
today's
world,
because
the
demands
are
different,
and
so
the
sense
was
that
you
could
have
kind
of
a
small
number
of
apartments
that
allowed
you
to
renovate
and
Revitalize
and
continue
to
use
that
historic
building
with
a
park
adjacent
to
it
rather
than
trying
to
tear
it
down
putting
single-family
houses
there.
We
already
talked
about
how
the
single
family
houses
in
the
back
the
streets
too
narrow.
C
We
purchased
that
because
we
did
not
know
what
was
going
to
happen
with
the
site
and
it
makes
it
easier
to
think
creatively
and
think
expansively
about
things.
I,
don't
think
our
intention
is
to
tear
that
down.
We
we
actually
have
grant
funding,
which
will
let
us
move
it
across
the
street.
I
just
found
that
out.
That's
one
of
the
uses,
the
federal
government
will,
let
you
do
so.
I
There
I
live
next
to
that
property,
which
one
where
you
want
to
put
the
houses
you're
talking
about
where
you
wanted
to
put
a
park.
I've
maintained
that
piece
of
property
for
over
30
years,
I've
kept
it
clean,
I've
had
to
go
over.
There
pick
up
garbage
condoms,
underwear,
alcohol,
where
people
have
sat
there
and
partied
I've
had
to
call
the
police
and
have
them
come
and
take
people
away
from
there
that
were
sleeping
there
and
I've
had
him
party
there,
and
then
you
want
to
put
a
park
in
there.
I
I
C
I
Better
for
me,
but
you
know
I
I,
don't
understand
why
you
know,
like
I
said
you
want
to
take
a
historical
home
and
you're
talking
about
the
history
of
this
town.
I
grew
up
here,
well,
I've
been
here
50
years
and
I
grew
up
with
a
lot
of
these
people
here
and
to
see
what
you
all
have
planned.
You
know
with
that
is
is
not
good
I
see
like
I'm
like
these
other
people.
Why
can't
we
have
a
police
station
in
that
school?
I
We
have
a
park
right
there
behind
it,
where
you
can
take
your
children.
If
you
have
the
police
there
that
can
you
feel
safe,
like
I
said,
I've
dealt
with
stuff
in
that
parking
lot.
I
had
commercial
vehicles
parked
there
and
you
they're,
leaving
day
and
night
whatever
and
parking
there
like
I
said
people
parking
having
whatever
going
on
there
and
y'all
say
you
know
that
hey
we're
in
a
safe
area,
yeah,
it
is
kind
of
you
know
it's
a
good
area.
I
would
like
to
keep
it
the
way.
A
J
I
have
a
question
about
you've,
got
apartments
and
then
Green
Space
that
I'm
assuming
is
going
to
be
Parks
and
Rec.
How
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
build
and
I'm
assuming
sell
so
that
the
county
doesn't
own
a
apartment
building
and
then
have
your
your
Park
around
it?
Are
you
going
to
be
able
to
separate
the
two
so
that,
like
I,
said
I'm,
assuming
that
you
would
have
to
sell
the
apartment
building
instead
of
County
owning.
C
K
K
K
K
K
K
C
So
I'm
going
to
answer
your
first
question
and
then
I
have
a
question
for
you:
okay,
so,
depending
on
what
your
sources
of
financing
are,
if
you
are
using
financing
sources
that
say,
people
have
to
be
65
and
older.
Every
year
your
lease
agreements
get
audited
and
the
people
that
are
in
there
have
to
meet
that
criteria.
Okay,
so
that's
that's
one
way:
it's
the
easiest,
typical
way
that
things
are
used.
C
K
C
It's
not
public
housing,
it
will
be
run
by
another
entity.
The
county
will
sell
it.
If
we
get
to
that
point,
we
do
not
have
staff
to
run
it.
We
have
no
interest
in
running
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
seeing
it
be
an
asset.
I
I
want
to
try
to
give
you
hope.
I,
don't
want
you
to
leave
here
with
I.
C
Don't
want
anyone
to
leave
here
without
hope
that
what
this
building
is
can
be
something
that
has
something
in
it
for
you
and
that
it
keeps
all
of
the
embodied
joy
and
memories
that
you
have
in
it
that
they
that
we
are
being
a
good
Steward
of
that.
That
is
Our
intention.
No
one
in
here
gets
paid
to
make
it
housing.
We
see
this
tremendous
need
for
housing
for
people
who
are
getting
older,
who
are
our
residents?
Who
are
our
County
Citizens?
C
We
don't
know
what's
ahead,
but
you
don't
have
to
take
it's
not
take
this
and
leave
it.
It's
tell
me
what
you
like
tell
me
what
you
don't
like
and
if
you
tell
us
what
you
like
that,
helps
us
make
something
that
you
like
it's
harder
to
hear
what
you
don't
like
and
figure
out
what
you
do
like,
but
so
to
that
end,
keep
telling
us
what
you
want
to
see
specifically
and
we'll
we'll
try
to
work
that
into
whatever
we
can
do.
C
M
From
now
to
come
back
and
say:
I
don't
want
to
do
65
or
older
anymore.
They
have
to
come
back
out
to
the
community,
go
through
the
community
for
all
these
Community
hearings
like
this,
they
have
to
go
back
through
the
Planning
Commission
and
back
through
the
Board
of
Supervisors,
before
they
can
do
anything
less
than
65
years
old.
Anything,
that's
part
of
a
zoning
case
actually
becomes
the
law
for
that
piece
of
property.
M
So
if
they
put
in
there
that
they
can't
have
more
than
25
Park
spaces
and
it's
in
their
zoning
case
and
they
decide,
they
want
to
put
a
26th
parking
space.
They
literally
have
to
come
back
out
to
the
community.
Have
a
community
meeting
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
go
back
to
the
Board
of
Supervisors,
because
they're
changing
the
law
that
applies
to
that
plot
of
land,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
how
that
process
works.
N
C
N
C
N
C
C
C
C
C
N
B
Okay,
thank
you.
It's
a
great
question,
part
of
what
Tommy
the
planning
commissioner
talked
about
is
the
fact
that-
and
this
is
a
concept
if
this
would
move
forward.
All
of
those
details
would
be
worked
into
the
zoning
case
itself.
Those
restrictions
would
be
there
to
say
that
this
is
all
you
can
do
a
b
c
and
d
you
can't
go
outside
of
that.
You
have
to
preserve
this.
B
The
way
it
is,
and
it
would
be
very
comprehensive
to
do
exactly
that,
to
prevent
a
developer
for
coming
in
and
saying
I
want
to
change
that,
because
guess
what
once
we
do,
that
they
can't
change
it?
They
have
to
follow
what
the
zoning
case
says,
what
the
architectural
controls
are,
you
name
it
and
that
would
all
be
baked
in
and
again
there
would
be
plenty
more
Community
meetings
before
it
even
got
to
that,
so
that
if
there
was
something
you
go,
no
I,
don't
like
that.
Okay,
that's
why
we
have
the
meanings
and
right.
O
All
this
smoke
and
mirror
stuff
that
we're
seeing
with
all
these
pretty
pictures
about
this
proposal.
What's
going
on
here,
I've
already
talked
to
a
lot
of
my
friends
in
this
community
and
I
can't
wait
to
hear
from
somebody
else
who
wants
to
say
that
piece
but
I,
know
I,
feel
we
don't
want
this
housing
project
in
the
village
of
Matoaca
to
house
45
seniors
with
potentially
eight
to
ten
extra
people
in
the
home
as
well,
because
we
know
that
the
age
and
population
today
most
grandparents
are
raising
their
grandkids.
O
That's
statistic:
that's
a
fact!
So
we're
taking
45
houses
or
people
and
turning
it
into
a
hundred
or
so
people
in
the
building
occupying
the
area.
First,
I
don't
see
how
this
is
going
to
help
the
economics
of
the
little
town
of
Matoaca
grow
at
all,
they're
seniors,
I,
don't
think
they're
going
to
take
the
Walkers
down
to
the
store
and
buy
food
now
my
proposal,
the
senior
thing
is
a
great
concept.
O
We
need
to
find
a
piece
of
land,
not
in
the
historic
heart
of
Matoaca,
the
little
village
The
Mill
Town
that
was
founded
from
Heritage
in
this
town.
Okay,
we
want
to
leave
it
like
that
now,
I'm.
Also
the
seniors
I,
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
do
with
this
piece
of
property
over
in
front
of
the
demony
on
the
matalka
high
school,
the
old
school,
proposing
hundreds
of
units
of
single-family
dwellings,
blah
blah
blah.
O
We
need
to
find
a
piece
of
land
like
that
that
could
put
a
senior
facility
that
would
really
take
care
of
the
seniors,
not
45
seniors
but
seniors.
They
have
senior
residents.
You
see
the
you
see
the
pictures
of
the
ads
all
over
the
television
when
these
wonderful
senior
living
apartments
are
hundreds
of
seniors
where
they
really
can
get
engaged
in
it,
not
45
in
the
little
town
of
Matoaca
right
on
the
main
road,
the
only
road
we
have.
O
Take
this
piece
of
property
right
here
and
take
that
school
and
leave
it
as
it
is,
but
utilize
it
like
Dinwiddie
County,
for
example,
I
teach
over
there
at
the
high
school
and
I
just
talk
with
Mrs
Pittman,
On,
The,
Board
of
Supervisors
or
the
school
board
this
week,
who's
getting
me
data
to
back
my
plan,
which
I'd
like
to
see.
Is
you
take
this
building
and
you've
already
stressed
about
the
wonders
of
the
library
you're,
bringing
out
the
good
points
where
we
really
don't
need
anything
else?
O
Thank
you.
Miss
Pittman
is
putting
the
data
together
for
me
right
now
in
Dinwiddie,
and
even
as
close
enough
to
our
since
I'm
such
a
Wonder
from
Ottawa
that
Dinwiddie,
the
Northern
end
of
Dinwiddie
could
even
possibly
utilize
our
facility
as
well
as
they
have
to
go
halfway
at
number
one
to
use
that
property.
They
do
it
for
weddings,
birthdays,
karate
class.
It's
I'm
going
to
get
the
data.
That's
is
self-sustaining,
that
building
it's
taking
care
of
itself,
it's
their
full
community,
it's
still
the
Integrity
of
their
community.
O
This
Village
wants
Metallica
to
stay
downtown.
One
of
the
last
things
we
have
is
is
a
historical
little
town.
That's
what
we'd
like
to
see
and
I
don't
know
if
I
don't
want
to
step
on
any
other
seniors
in
the
room
I'm
getting
there,
but
go
go
to
a
place.
That
would
really
be
something
special
full
of
them,
not
stuff
them
in
the
middle
of
a
little
town
and
I.
Don't
think
that
they
would
like
to
know
that
once
they
got
there
that
we
had
a
lot
of
opposition
that
you
weren't
really
welcome.
O
O
The
District
of
matalka
is
270
some
square
miles
what
he
just
said
so
that
that
encompasses
us,
okay,
I
I,
think
you're
missing
the
point.
We're
willing
to
do
it
you're
missing
the
point
of
the
the
people
that
are
sitting
here.
We
don't
want
it
on
our
little
main
town:
okay,
because
the
45
that
you're
helping
it's
not
45
people,
it's
going
to
be
45,
plus
how
many
grandkids
running
around
the
community
we've
got,
and
you
know
what
ball
does
me
is
the
fact
that
you've
already
purchased
the
land
adjacent
to
it.
O
This
has
been
in
the
works
before
night.
2019
I
mean
we
understand
business
and
development.
This
has
been.
What
can
we
do
with
that?
Well,
you
went
out
and
you
bought
the
land
and
you're
going
to
turn
it
over
to
a
private
developer
I
when
I
walked
in
here,
when
I
saw
that
you
know
who
came
to
mind
George
Emerson,
he
has
developed
everything
in
Chesterfield,
County
I
know
George,
well,
I've
traded
with
him,
and
one
of
these
private
developers
wants.
O
You
go
through
your
process
to
get
this
Smooths
through
you're,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
a
private
businessman,
who's
going
to
have
plenty
of
lawyers
to
skirt
you
on
every
issue
of
who
he's
going
to
put
in
that
what
the
HUD
Acts
this
is
fair
housing
you're
going
to
tell
well
you're
60,
but
I'm,
not
renting
my
space,
you're
gonna.
What's
he
gonna
do
to
it?
Is
he
going
to
dump
it
sell
it
go
before
rezone
it
was.
O
It
come
to
a
slum
again,
I
think
this
gentleman
is
trying
to
say
that
y'all
are
snoozing
this
through
the
county
through
zoning,
to
get
a
private
developer
in
here
to
take
it
over.
We
don't
want
the
private
developer.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
fight
with
the
private
developer
after
you're
gone
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
find
out
the
people
in
the
houses
if
they
don't
honor
the
65..
O
How
am
I
going
to
go
in
and
go?
Let
me
see
your
card.
How
old
are
you
we?
We
won't
be
able
to
do
that
it
will.
It
will
be
easily
taken
over
by
private
business
after
you
guys
have
Allied
this
to
come
into
the
heart
of
a
Mill
Town
with
people
that
don't
want
this
not
right
in
our
town
outside
of
town,
I,
think
I'm,
pretty
sure
Mr
Stewart
will
dig
all
the
footings.
O
He'd
be
thrilled
to
get
all
the
concrete
work.
I
I
know
him
personally
and
I
know
that
he
would
love
to
get
that
contract
and
the
host
of
us.
That
would
be
willing
to
get
involved
to
help
that
part
of
our
community
but
downtown.
Let
the
people
come
to
a
community
and
and
use
it
as
an
enhancement
that
said
that
Chesterfield
stepped
up
for
metolica.
O
We've
got
our
look
area
that
we're
using.
We
can
put
anything
we
want.
We
can
lease
it
to
you,
rent
it
to
you.
It's
a
good
thing
and
I
will
have
the
data
it's
working
in
Dinwiddie.
They
didn't
do
that.
Paul
didn't
really
doesn't
have
a
senior
housing,
they
got
a
nursing
home,
but
we
don't
want
45
senior
homes
to
be
disguised
as
a
slick
developer,
putting
something
in
downtown,
Matoaca,
I
think
that's
the
the
park.
That
is
scaring
the
rest
of
us
that
we
know
big
business.
O
We
know
it's
got
to
go
through
you,
guys.
County
planning
zoning
I've
fought
you
before
on
little
Matoaca
Road,
just
trying
to
get
a
couple
lots
to
build
houses
on
you
put
RPA
floodplains
on
me
and
blocked
me.
We
know
government
and
what
you
wanting
to
do
is
Smooths
us
through
to
get
a
developer
to
come
in
and
pay
the
county,
and
you
guys
get
the
money.
You'll
have
some
money
to
to
take
care
of
a
park
if
it's
sold
to
that
and
I
think
the
rest
of
the
folks
also
are
worried
about.
O
Just
there
I
don't
think
our
senior
community
of
Matoaca
is
quite
and
I'm,
not
quite
there
yet,
but
I,
don't
think
they're
going
to
want
the
bright
lights
in
basketball,
11
o'clock
at
night
in
the
hub
of
activity,
not
taking
anything
away
from
my
policeman,
but
who's
really
on
this
end
of
the
county,
going
to
monitor
that
and
help
us
keep
it
down.
I
you're
saying
it.
You
were
on
the
force-
and
you
know
I'm
here
to
tell
you
it
ain't
working.
O
O
So
you
know
we
don't
want
this
we'll
take
the
senior
somewhere
else
close
by,
but
not
in
the
heart
of
our
town
and
we'd
like
to
take
that
into
something
that
will
benefit
our
little
Community
by
seeing
the
basket
weaving
classes
on
Tuesday
the
needlepoint
on
Thursday,
where
the
community
can
come
and
go
and
feel
like
it's
a
community
and
if
I'm,
stepping
on
toes
I'm.
Sorry
with
that,
but
I
believe
we
could
utilize
it
as
a
small
town
community,
more
so
than
fighting
with
a
housing
project.
P
Q
So
we
couldn't
even
get
out
the
neighborhood
to
go
to
work
because
they
blocked
the
whole
Road
and
I
saw
on
your
your
plan
there
and
I
know.
This
is
all
a
proposal
and
I
think
that's
where
you
lose
a
lot
of
people,
because
there's
so
much
subject
to
change
that
this
picture
of
paradise.
Shell
is
showing
us
here
is
like
the
White
House
on
the
corner,
we'll
find
come
find
out.
You
bought
that
for
no
reason
so.
Q
Q
Q
The
land
that
they
would
purchase
with
that
building
that
many
cars
isn't
going
to
fit
in
the
parking
lot.
This
there
now
Lee
Street
decided
there's
no
parking
signs
all
down,
but
the
school
didn't
have
to
abide
to
that
and
parents
I
don't
know
if
they
have
a
job
or
not,
but
they
get
there
three
hours
early
to
pick
their
kid
up
and
block
the
road.
Q
Should
I'm
just
saying
if
we're
trying
to
look
out
for
65
and
older
of
my
talk,
you
looked
with
the
income
ratio.
Is
it's
not
Midlothian?
It's
not
whole
street
and
we
don't
want
it
to
be
yeah,
because
if
we
wanted
to
live
somewhere
like
that,
that's
where
we
go.
We
wouldn't
live
down
here
in
a
historic
district.
C
C
C
I'm
gonna
I
want
to
answer
as
many
things
as
I
can
and
these
the
schools
that
I
showed
you.
The
average
apartment
construction
costs
was
150
000
each.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
than
two
million
dollars
spent
on
renovating,
restoring
new
Building
Systems.
All
of
that
to
make
a
unit
those
were
done
before
the
pandemics
before
inflation
before
Labor
shortages
or
cost
increases
things
like
that.
C
The
County's
parking
requirement
for
a
senior
housing
complex
is
1.2
units
if
people
have
more
than
one
car.
That
is
a
concern
and
we
want
to
take
that
into
account.
So
maybe
that's
a
reason
to
reduce
the
number
of
units,
or
something
like
that.
So
you
rightly
have
some
concerns
about
you're,
showing
me
a
picture,
but
there's
a
lot
of
process
between
there,
where
we
are
right
now
and
then
and
tonight,
the
the
big
three
things
to
focus
on
the
like
building
blocks.
C
To
start
with
are,
can
we
add
a
community
space
to
this
building?
Is
that
something
that
is
popular
sounds
like
some
people
say:
there's
a
real
need
for
it,
and
what
we've
got
in
this
initial?
Just
very
very
early
architectural
drawing
is
2700
square
feet
in
that
library.
That
library
has
a
10-foot
ceiling,
but
all
the
I
mean
this
is
getting
real
specific.
We
put
all
the
Mechanicals
all
the
HVAC
stuff
in
the
ceiling,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
room
in
there.
It
could
be
two
rooms.
It
could
be
a
room
like
this.
C
C
The
the
three
building
blocks
here
are
a
park
that
has
Recreation
amenities,
Recreation
amenities,
meaning
like
a
basketball
court
or
a
pickleball
court,
or
a
splash
pad
a
building
that
has
housing
as
the
primary
function,
because
the
building
is
well
suited
to
be
able
to
be
converted
to
that,
because
there
is
a
large
need
for
that,
and
because
there
are
ways
to
get
financing
for
that,
that
can
make
the
rents
affordable
for
seniors
and
then
the
third
thing
is
that
community
space
and
what,
if
that
community
space?
Maybe
it's
not
there?
C
C
Q
B
As
far
as
a
police
department,
a
Precinct,
he
actually
brought
up
a
good
point
and
she
brought
up
a
good
point
that
we
used
to
have
a
community
policing
office
down
here.
I
thought
it
was
at
Ettrick
Park.
Is
that
right
and
you
still
utilize
that
now
somewhat
okay,
so
it
wouldn't
hurt
to
have
another
one.
If,
if
we
needed
it
would
hurt
at
all,
they
have
have
it
available.
A
R
Mary
sturt,
so
actually
my
I
think
my
biggest
question
for
you
kind
of
falls
into
the
park
so
like,
even
if
you
had
senior
housing.
Why
would
I
want
the
public
to
have
access
to
where
my
grandma
and
grandpa
live,
or
why
would
they
want
to
live
there,
surrounded
by
a
park,
constant
traffic
access
into
the
building
where
they
live
for
the
Library
community
space
you
were
talking
about
like
that,
doesn't
seem
reasonable.
I
wouldn't
want
them
to
live
there.
R
So
then,
when
the
rent's
too
high
or
when
seniors
don't
want
to
live
there
because
of
what
you
put
around
it.
That
developer
comes
in
and
asks
you
to
rezone
it
because
he's
losing
his
rear
because
of
how
much
money
he
spent
and
he
can't
rent
it
out
and
then
you
kind
of
have
no
choice
but
to
give
him
that
rezone
in
so
that
he
can
make
it
the
housing.
That's
going
to
help
him
get
his
money
back,
so
that's
always
a
possibility
in
the
future,
and
it's
kind
of
something
you
can't
avoid
nor
predict.
R
You
know
access
Park
in
his
parking
lot,
that
his
seniors
are
paying
to
have
their
parking
spot
in.
So
where
are
they
going
to
drive
to
get
to
this
park?
Where's
the
entrance
where's
the
parking
for
that
we've
got
this
big
beautiful
Park.
Are
they
going
to
have
to
use
my
driveway
to
access
it
they're
going
to
park
on
the
street,
and
then
we
can't
get
to
work
again.
C
R
R
L
Yes,
to
kind
of
recap
what
everybody
has
said,
especially
this
gentleman
I
like
the
idea
of
the
enhancement
building.
If
you
want
to
do
something
for
people
who
are
I,
am
65
I'd
love
to
see
a
place
where
I
could
go,
take
art
classes.
I.
Could
you
know
the
community
we
could
get
together?
We
are
a
small
community
down
here.
All
of
us
have
been
here
our
great
grandparents,
our
grandparents.
We
all
went
to
school
together.
We
raised
our
children
here
together.
L
You
Outsiders,
don't
understand
that
you
don't
understand
because
you
look
at
the
big
aspect
of
it.
You
look
at
the
profit
aspect
of
it
of
what
the
taxes
are
going
to
bring
to
Chesterfield
County
right,
I
travel
to
the
Northern
end
of
Chesterfield
County
a
lot
because
that's
where
my
daughters
live.
Okay,
it
is
busy
you
are
going
to
create
traffic
that
we
are
not
prepared
for
down
here.
Nor
do
we
want
and
you
you
talk
about.
We
don't
need
a
police
station
down
here.
Well,
maybe
not
now,
but
you
are
developing
down
here.
L
There's
a
new
development
on
Holloway
Avenue.
There's
one
coming
right
across
where
my
mom
lives
on
River
Road
and
Graves
Road:
okay,
it's
coming
because
the
Northern
end
is
running
out
of
space
and
we
don't
want
it
plus.
Yes,
you
are
talking
about
a
huge
economic
difference.
These
we
are
working
class
middle
people.
We
are
not
professionals,
we
cannot
afford
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
houses.
L
S
Okay,
I
think
y'all
are
just
trying
to
sell
us
something.
It
looks
really
good,
but
then
y'all
are
gonna
all
leave
and
we're
gonna
be
stuck
with
it
and
we
don't
want
it
and
that's
just
it.
We
don't
want
it.
I
mean
that
that
makes
no
sense
to
put
down
here
and
the
people
that
are
that
the
old
people
for
us
old
people,
the.
S
There's
no
store
grocery
store,
there's
no
drugstore,
there's
no
facilities,
there's
no,
no
condition!
No,
no
nothing,
but
them
they're
going
to
have
to
drive
everywhere
they
got
to
go
to
band
or
grocery
store
or
something
they
don't
like
driving
and
we
don't
like
them
driving
much
and
and
they
can't
walk
to
anything,
there's
nothing
here
for
them
to
walk
to
and
as
far
as
the
park
is
concerned,
who's
going
to
maintain
the
park
and
how
many
policemen
is
it
going
to
take
I
mean
it
you're
asking
for
trouble
and
we
don't
want
it.
E
Well,
I'm
Jack
dance
I've
lived
in
Matoaca.
Most
of
all,
my
life
I
have
one
concern
with
this
whole
project.
You'll
keep
pitching
to
us
it's
for
the
seniors
in
the
community,
the
seniors
in
the
community.
You
turn
it
over
to
a
developer
and
he
builds
it
you're
going
to
have
people
from
New
York
Virginia,
Beach
Petersburg.
E
We
probably
won't
even
get
a
chance
to
get
in
it
because
it'll
be
a
waiting
list
at
that
time,
and
you
can't
promise
US
that
oh
we're
going
to
build
it
for
your
community
hogwash
you're,
building
it
for
a
developer
to
make
money
and
Chesterfield
County.
It
all
comes
down
to
the
almighty
dollars,
because
you
cannot
promise
US
in
five
years.
B
So
I
don't
disagree
with
anything.
You
just
said,
but
I
will
say
this.
We
have
not
and
I'm
telling
you
that
God's
honest
truth.
We
have
not
talked
to
a
single
developer
about
this,
not
one
okay.
This
is
when
we
started
this
meeting
tonight.
We
told
you
this
is
a
community
meeting
to
get
input
on
a
concept
and
that's
exactly
what
it
is.
There's
no
backdoor
agreement,
there's
nothing
that
no
one's
been
talked
to
about
saying.
We
want
you
to
come
and
do
this.
B
Foreign
no
contract
I
am
telling
you
has
been
contracted
about
this.
Well,
the
rumor
mill
is
an
interesting
thing.
Okay,
but
I
am
telling
you
that
nobody
has
to
my
knowledge
period
has
been
spoken
to
about
doing
a
development
here.
Nobody
and
if
I
find
out,
someone
was
and
I
didn't
know
about
it.
They're
going
to
have
a
problem,
I
get
it
I
get
it
look.
I
was
the
same
way
same
way,
I
get
it.
You
had.
Someone
else
had
a
question
over
here.
H
F
F
F
There
are
25
school
age,
children
on
Magnolia,
Avenue
alone.
I
can
only
imagine
how
many
there
are
throughout
the
county
as
vast
as
it
is,
and
we
keep
on
adding.
So
the
landscape
of
the
county
is
going
to
get
younger
as
we
go
further
and
further
into
this
yeah
anyways.
So
Water
and
Sewer
main
question
yeah.
G
S
C
Yeah,
the
water
and
sewer
there
were
575
kids
in
that
school
plus
another
75
teachers
and
support
staff.
So
there
there's
a
lot
of
pipe
to
flush
for
that
few
number
of
Apartments
I,
don't
know
about
your
situation
with
the
three
lots
that
you're
dealing
with,
but
we
can
find
out.
If
you
give
me
the
address.
B
So
you
brought
up
a
good
point
about
the
sewer
capacity
here,
so
the
the
piece
across
the
street
that
oh
I
know
no,
no
you're
you're
exactly
right.
It's
all
good.
It
is
old
and
so
to
go
back
to
the
piece
across
the
street
that
the
200
Acres,
that
was
a
proposal
earlier
last
year
for
a
development
again
didn't
go
through
because
they
would
have
had
to
run
a
3
000
foot
sewer
line.
B
I
said
can't:
do
it
doesn't
have
the
capacity
to
be
able
to
handle
the
additional
houses
that
they
wanted
to
put
and
they
would
have
had
to
put
a
pumping
station
in
there.
I
told
him.
No,
so
just
so,
you
know
we're
not
trying
to
develop
every
square
foot
down
here
and
we
are
I
am
absolutely
concerned
about.
The
same
thing
you
are:
is
the
the
lines
are
old?
Do
they
have
the
capacity
to
handle
it?
They
need
to
be
upgraded
and
over
time.
B
Hopefully
that
will
happen,
but
in
the
meantime,
you
can't
over
burn
that
relation
to
this.
His
point
was
made
that
compared
to
what
was
useful
for
and
what
would
be
used
for
now,
whether
we
use
it
for
a
this
or
if
we
use
it
for
what
that
gentleman's
talking
about,
regardless
of
what
you
should
use
it
for
there's
capacity
to
handle
both
of
those
uses
depends
what
we
decide
to
do
with
it.
T
C
T
T
The
one
in
Dinwiddie
has
actually
supports
itself
with
where
people
use
the
building
all
the
time,
and
that
will
keep
it
as
it
is
in
any
Community
because,
like
you
said,
it's
got
a
full
kitchen
and
everything,
and
so
you
can
have
parties
there
and
y'all
could
even
have
some
staff
that
would
come
there
sometimes
and
help
out
when
we
rent
it
for
stock
and
then
classes
and
stuff
that
the
county
could
hold.
Maybe
some
LD,
you
know,
classes
and
stuff
like
that.
It's
can
be
put
to
better
uses.
T
T
T
C
The
way
that
a
senior
housing
project
could
get
developed
like
this,
you
could
generate
a
lot
of
equity
through
saving
the
building
that
could
get
you
up
to
45
percent
of
what
your
construction
costs
are
and
then,
if
you
were
to
use,
say
funding,
that
means
someone
making
say
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
or
less
they
could.
That
could
also
generate
some
Equity,
so
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
borrow
that
money,
but
that
would
be
making
it
more
affordable.
C
So,
just
to
give
you
an
example
of
what
affordable
financing
the
incomes
are
for
that
for
a
one
bedroom
rent,
the
income
limit
is
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
a
year
yeah
and
just
to
give
you
some
perspective
for
what
homes
are
selling
for
right
now,
the
median
home
price,
so
half
the
homes
in
the
county
that
were
sold
in
November
half
of
them
were
more
expensive
than
380.
000
and
half
were
less
than
three
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars.
C
But
at
that
price
point
someone
needs
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
a
month
to
put
for
their
mortgage.
So
the
idea
here
is
to
try
to
bring
some
financing
sources
through
the
financing
you
get
from
preserving
a
building
and
financing
for
affordable
senior
housing
and
and
make
something
so
that
someone
could
have
a
smooth,
constant
rent,
say
thousand
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
month.
It
is
a
lot
more
affordable
to
your
point.
A
senior
Learning
Center,
a.
C
I
I
totally
agree.
I
think
this
is
not.
This
is
not.
The
concept
is
not
going
to
serve
everyone,
as
someone
pointed
out
here,
it's
not
necessarily
for
everyone,
but
what
we
think
it
might
appeal
to
is
someone
who
says
I
don't
want
to
stay
with
my
house
and
all
the
work
that
it
there
takes,
but
I
do
want
to
stay
in
this
area,
but
I
know
I,
know
I'm
going
to
stop
doing,
because
I
want
to
get
your
input
so
I'll
just
stop
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
comment.
Thank
you.
U
My
name
is
Berlin.
Langford
I
actually
live
right
in
the
middle
of
the
project
right
there.
So
that's
available
if
y'all
want
to
buy
that
too.
But
I've
done
a
little
bit
of
building
in
my
in
my
career
and
something
you
haven't
touched
on
is
this
is
a
historical
building?
Has
it
done
an
asbestos
test.
C
U
C
J
Y'all
have
talked
about
how
much
traffic
and
what
goes
in
and
out
of
this
facility
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
y'all
have
ever
visited
senior
facilities,
they're,
like
ghost
towns,
there's
nobody
going
in
and
out
of
them
in
a
65
and
over
facility
would
create
a
whole
lot
less
traffic
than
a
recreational
building
or
if
the
whole
thing
was
a
recreational
building.
I
know
Ettrick
and
Bensley.
Both
they
have
recreation,
centers
and
they're,
constant,
it's
constant
traffic
in
and
out
so
before
you
mix
the
idea
of
senior
housing.
J
You
might
want
to
go
visit
some
along.
You
know
anywhere
just
to
see
how
much
traffic
Flows
In
and
Out
of
them
as
opposed
to
what
I
mean.
This
is
a
big
building.
If
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
the
county
could
put
in
there,
so
Food
For
Thought
is
always
watch
what
you
wish
for,
because
it
might
not
always
be
what
you
want.
A
B
Look
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
everybody
coming
out,
regardless
of
what
you
think
we
actually
I
did
absolutely
listen
to
everything
that
was
said
tonight
and,
as
I
said
before,
there
is
no
developer.
That's
been
spoken
to
about
this.
This
is
a
concept.
That's
why
we're
holding
Community
meetings,
I,
don't
know
when
the
next
one
will
be,
but
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
more
before
we're
done,
because
we
may
come
back
with
a
totally
different
concept
by
the
next
one,
but
I
appreciate
seriously
all
of
the
input
tonight.