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From YouTube: Vermont Governor Forum - 9/21/2022
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00:00:57 Opening Statements
00:04:33 Election Integrity
00:08:47 Education
00:16:44 Health Care
00:23:29 Opioid Epidemic
00:28:05 Closing Comments
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A
A
Unfortunately,
on
the
three
other
candidates
are
not
able
to
join
us
tonight.
We
want
to
send
out
our
best
wishes
to
brenda
siegel.
The
democratic
candidate
who's
been
feeling
ill.
Today,
governor
phil
scott,
the
republican
was
invited
and
was
unable
to
attend,
and
our
third
candidate
bernard
peters
also
was
not
able
to
join
us
tonight.
But
we
have
two
independents
that
are
joining
us
tonight
for
our
discussion
and,
of
course
we
welcome
your
phone
calls
as
well,
and
let's
give
a
nice
warm
welcome
this
evening
to
kevin
hoyt
and
peter
duvall.
A
B
Well,
I
I
guess
my
adult
career
started
in
engineering.
I
was
a
technical
draftsman
in
the
structural
steel
industry,
a
project
manager
and
then
I
kind
of
did
a
real
hard
crossover
where
I
started
the
future
hunting
conservation
program.
So
I
started
conservation
programs
all
over
the
world.
I've
been
blessed
with
world
travel,
that's
where
I've
hosted
and
produced
outdoor
television
on
a
national
world
level
for
about
three
decades.
I'm
an
expert
in
wildlife,
again
conservation,
educator
firearms
is
another
big
thing
for
me,
so
I
finally
ran.
B
I
guess
I
got
you
know
to
the
point
where
I
I
didn't
know
if
I
could
afford
to
live
in
this,
the
state
that
I
love
with
the
people,
that
I
love
the
tax
situation
and
I'm
a
big
2a
guy.
So
I
was
tired
of
losing
my
rights
and
freedoms
and
watching
my
friends
and
neighbors
suffer
so
I
ran
for
office
in
2018.
B
I
got
my
bot
handed
to
me
from
a
guy
from
chicago
about
that
forced
an
election
audit.
What
we
found
was
incredible
and
from
there
just
went
on
and
on
to
a
money
laundering,
embezzlement,
some
really
incredible
charges
against
our
own
government.
So
I'm
also
a
federal
witness
for
the
on
the
reporting
party
for
chad,
schmidt,
the
bennington
county
sexting
sheriff
is
vermont,
digger
calls
him,
and
chad
is
one
of
many
people
involved
with
a
rico
investigation.
That's
a
federal
multi-state
recall,
invest
federal
investigation,
but
done
on
a
local
level.
C
C
There's
no
there's
not
going
to
be
any
change
because
their
their
methods
are
the
same.
They
talk
to
the
same
people
in
the
in
the
middle
of
the
electorate
as
they
see
it,
and
then
they
recycle
those
words
and
put
them
out
as
policies.
So
I
want
to
inject
new
language
and
work
on
getting
underlying
concerns
underlying
issues
surfaced
so
that
we
can
see
the
connections
between
a
lot
of
these
isolated
crises
that
keep
popping
up,
and
so
that's
that's
why
I'm
running.
A
D
A
C
A
C
Real
concern
about
the
integrity
of
touch
screen
voting
machines
because
they
don't
you
don't
actually
get
to
see
the
result
that
the
voter
intended
it's
processed
and
there's
really
no
way
to
to
secure
that.
So
the
thing
is
we're
running
for
a
statewide
office
in
vermont
and
vermont
has
really
some
of
the
best
techniques
for
elections.
Those
hand
mark
paper
ballots
super
secure.
They
can
all.
C
You
can
always
go
back
and
look
at
the
original
indications
that
a
human
made
to
a
piece
of
paper
and
when,
when
you
put
the
ballot
in
one
of
those
counting
machines,
it's
just
that
counting
machine
that
does
the
counting
there's
no
there's
an
air
gap.
We
would
say
between
that
machine
and
and
everything
else.
C
So
when
you
see
a
printout
from
the
receipt
from
the
tabulator,
it's
really
showing
you
just
the
count,
that's
in
the
machine
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is
handled
by
election
officials
with
observers
from
where
you
know,
multiple
parties.
So
I
think
the
integrity
in
vermont
is
pretty
good,
all
right
kevin.
What.
B
B
Basically,
we
released
over
500
names
in
the
county
of
5500
people
that
was
the
a's
and
half
the
bees
right.
So
again,
all
the
way
back
to
1975
is
horrific
and
even
worse
than
the
crime
we
actually
have
the
cover
up.
We
have
two
documents,
one
of
them
from
james
condos.
The
vermont
secretary
of
state
is
just
resigning.
I
believe,
because
he's
going
to
federal
prison
and
the
other
one
is
from
the
bennington
board
of
civil
authority.
B
It
always
falls
back
on
your
board
of
civil
authority
and
those
documents
again
are
confessions,
saying
they
never
looked.
Anyone
no
one.
Ever
looked
at
any
of
our
election
fraud,
again
500
names
we
had
over
322
discrepancies
between
the
town
records
and
the
state
records.
That's
errors.
Discrepancies
is
another
word
for
errors.
So
that's
unacceptable
for
me
and
it's
more
than
enough
for
an
audit
and
again
none
of
the
numbers
added
up
at
all.
That's
what
caused
me
to
run
when
I
ran
originally
in
in
2018
for
house
representatives.
B
I
didn't
even
know
we
voted
in
march.
That's
how
active
and
again
that's
my
guilt.
I
didn't
participate
right
so
when
I
ran,
I
needed
600
votes
in
bennington
to
capture
that
c
and
I
got
609
on
what
was
supposed
to
be
a
record
low
year.
My
closest
democrat
got
1200
and
then
the
other
democrat
in
bennington
got
2
000
the
most
in
the
history
right.
I
needed
50
signatures,
I
got
206,
but
then
out
of
206
people,
only
48
of
them
were
actually
registered.
So
what
happened
to
the
96
percent
right?
B
The
problem
in
vermont
state
is:
we've
never
done
an
audit
of
our
election
rolls
in
the
history
of
the
united
states
right.
So
again,
if
I'm
kevin
hoy
and
I
moved
to
texas
they're
smart
enough,
they
won't
use
my
name
right
away,
but
we
have
a
whole
list
of
voters
who
voted
and
their
vote
wasn't
counted
and
then
another
list
of
voters
who
didn't
vote,
but
somebody
did
for
them
right
because
again,
if
they
know
who
voted,
they
know
who
didn't
vote.
B
A
A
B
Right,
I
think
it's
collapsing
and
my
advice
is:
let
it
go.
If
you
still
have
your
kids
in
those
indoctrination,
centers
get
them
out
right,
they're
telling
you
you
don't
even
have
parental
consent
right
once
they
go
to
school,
we're
going
to
hormone
block
your
kids,
we're
going
to
make
them
take
part
in
medical
experiments,
we're
going
to
do
a
whole
bunch
of
things
our
kids
are
being
terrorized.
B
So
I
think
the
first
thing
for
election
or
for
education
reform
is
to
get
the
state
out
of
elections
out
of
education
altogether
right
along
with
chinese
core
curriculum
and
the
teachers
union.
We've
got
too
much
power,
so
I
think
the
future
in
vermont
is
going
to
be
charter,
schools
and
private
schools
and
home
schools,
and
it's
as
simple
as
the
money
follows
the
student
and
the
money's.
Something
else
we
have
to
you
know
talk
about.
B
I
think
we're
up
to
what
twenty
thousand
dollars
per
student
right
for
some
of
the
lowest
test
scores
in
the
nation
and
that's
unacceptable
to
me,
and
I
think
it's
another
giant,
racket
right.
I
think
again,
they've
taxed
you
to
death
with
you
know,
income
every
kind
of
tax
that
you
can
think
of.
So
now
they
have
to
bury
an
education
and
I
think,
we're
watching
it
fall
as
we
speak.
So
peter.
C
C
A
C
Primary
residence,
so
I'm
thinking
an
increase
in
the
non-residential
tax
rate
would
perhaps
help
free
up
some
space,
and
you
know
that's
that's
just
a
a
change
in
the
tax
code.
You
know
you
don't
have
to
hire
a
whole
bunch
of
people.
You
don't
have
to
spend
time,
building
a
whole
bunch
of
buildings
going
through
the
process
of
designing
buildings.
It's
just
a
conversion
of
the
use,
and
I
think
that
would
be
pretty
effective
and
pretty
quick.
A
C
Well,
you
know
we
need
to
have
healthy,
healthy
spaces
for
people,
so
it's
important
to
make
sure
the
kids
have
a
healthy
school
building
to
be
in.
I
think
it's
important
to
to
recognize.
You
know
it
is
a
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
the
building
is
a
huge
commitment
and
the
current
building's
been
around
for
more
than
50
years.
But
these
days
we
should
be
building
buildings
that
last
centuries,
so
a
durable
building
that
is
worth
the
investment
is
what
I
would
be
looking
for
and
it's
also
it's
a
habit-setting
environment.
C
C
And
designing
the
building-
and
there
are
already
plenty
of
examples
of
large
buildings
that
generate
more
electricity
than
they
consume
and
they
have
zero
dis,
wastewater
discharge,
zero
waste
and
they
produce
useful
humanure
and
urine-based
fertilizer.
I
think
this
is
where
we
need
to
go
with
dealing
with
with
waste,
making
sure
that
we're
turning
it
into
resource.
A
B
Guy
there's
so
many
different
ways
that
I
could
reply
to
that.
I'd
like
to
start
by
rebutting
his
last
response
in
regards
to
taxes,
because
I
think
that's
one
of
the
major
problems
is
them
it's
not.
We
don't
need
to
increase
minimum
wage.
We
need
to
drop
the
cost
of
living,
I.e
taxes,
so
I'm
against
any
more
taxes
for
the
good
people
of
vermont.
B
We
can't
afford
that
right,
I'm
not
sure
what
peter's
making
for
an
income,
but
your
average
vermonter
is
in
a
lot
of
trouble
right
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
school
system.
Again,
I
think
I
answered
it
at
my
last
one.
I
think
it's
another
racket,
but
I'm
going
to
give
you
another
one
in
burlington
right
and
spend
about
56
million
dollars
a
year
on
lake
champlain
right
and
that's
just
your
taxes
and
because
fish
and
wildlife,
it's
our
number
one
fishery
in
vermont
cleaning.
B
City
of
burlington
regularly
releases
from
three
to
five
million
gallons
of
raw
septic
into
it
every
year,
and
I
don't
agree
with
peter.
I
don't
want
to
grow
my
food
in
septic
and
urine.
That's
a
bad
idea,
in
my
opinion,
right
so
again.
What
we
have
here
is
another
government
created
problem
and
their
solution
is
always
to
tax
us
control
us
and
restrict
us
more
right
right
here.
This
year
they
just
released
another
half
a
million
gallons.
This
is
an
overflow.
B
They
release
this
into
your
lake
and,
I
hope
you're
ashamed
of
that,
and
I
hope
people
stand
up
for
again.
I'm
a
conservation
guy.
This,
our
national,
renewable
resources,
are
important
to
me
so
and
guess
what
they're
going
to
need
more
money
again,
because
they
just
dumped
half
a
million
500,
000
gallons
of
raw
septic
into
your
lake,
your
lake
in
june.
They
closed
our
beaches
in
july.
There's
no
such
thing
as
is
blue-green
algae.
That's
not
algae
at
all.
B
It's
caused
from
fecal
chloroform
right
and
that's
on
top
of
what
we
spend
in
saint
albans.
I
think
a
billion
dollars
to
redo
their
infrastructure.
I
was
there
two
weeks
ago,
there's
human
feces
and
tampons
floating
on
top
of
the
water.
You
can
smell
it.
I
wonder
if
vermont
travel
and
tourism
uses
that
come
to
vermont
enjoy
our
beautiful
water.
Just
don't
let
it
touch
your
body,
that's
disgusting,
as
a
vermonter,
I'm
no
we're
no
longer
willing
to
accept
it.
All.
A
B
Again,
I
think
this
is
a
very
complex
answer
that
we're
not
going
to
cover
in
a
minute
right,
but
health
care
is
a
fundamental
right
right.
I
actually
have
a
no
trespass
order
for
my
hospital
emergency
room
right
now,
because
I
didn't
want
to
wear
a
mask.
Tell
me
that's
legal
right,
so
I
think
this
is
another
system.
Another
box
that
they've
kept
us
in
and
kept
us
divided
with
that's
actually
fallen.
I
think
in
the
holistic
realm
right
in
the
cannabis
realm.
B
I
think,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
ways,
other
than
big
pharma,
to
handle
our
problems.
So
I'm
very,
very
interested
in
that
and
the
basic
structure
that
we
have,
I
think
it's
as
key,
is
just
cutting
ambulatory
care
right
and
getting
a
hold
on
the
grip.
So
it's
ridiculous
that
you
pay
400
for
an
epipen,
that's
a
necessity
for
a
lot
of
people
and
they
can't
afford
it
anymore.
So
what
happens
now?
Is
the
insurance
companies?
Another
lobby
group?
Another
problem:
that's
connected
big
pharma,
big
politics
right!
It's
all!
B
B
C
Language,
you
know,
was
what
I
was
talking
about
before
language
and
and
the
way
we
think
about
things.
Health
care
is
sort
of
like
a
an
appropriate
misappropriation
for
by
the
medical
industry
for
not
what's
really
medical
care,
and
I
think
we
might
want
to
just
get
away
from
that
and
talk
about
recreation
and
fitness
and
wellness
sort
of
separate
from
the
the
big
institutions
and
and
medical
care,
and
by
doing
that,
you
know
we'll
definitely
head
toward
being
healthier.
A
E
Hi
there,
my
question
is:
I
agree
with
kevin
that
the
corruption
everywhere,
but
that
it's
here
in
vermont
is
heartbreaking.
Simon
native,
how
long
does
kevin
think
it
will
take
the
mat
saying
he
gets
elected
to
weed
out
all
the
riffraff
and
you
know
cut
down
the
bureaucracy
and
just
get
some
good
people
in
and
get
something.
A
B
Right
it
sort
of
stuff,
that's
kind
of
a
complicated
cut
question
and
again,
I'm
not
part
of
the
fbi,
I'm
not
part
of
homeland
security
or
on
the
department
of
justice.
I
can
see
the
the
dominoes
falling
and
the
people
missing
and
disappearing
all
across
vermont
state
are
getting
arrested
right
or
resigning.
There's
a
lot
of
things
going
on.
I
don't
know
timelines
right,
but
I
think
we're
here
I
mean
we're
watching
it.
The
financial
is
going
next,
I
think
we're
probably
getting
all
new
money
we're
bankrupt.
We've
been
bankrupt
for
a
long
time.
B
A
lot
of
other
countries
aren't
even
accepting
american
currency
right.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
issues
facing
us
in
general.
As
far
as
timing
goes
to
clean
it
all
up,
I'm
not
sure
when
it's
happening.
I
think
it's
happening
right
now.
It's
been
happening,
it's
right
in
front
of
us,
but
the
media
is
a
huge
piece
of
this.
B
The
media
is
not
telling
you
and
it's
because
they're
implicated
again:
we've
got
the
evidence,
rob
wilmington,
vermont
digger
and
even
you
know
the
fact
that
it's
just
me
and
peter
and
hats
off
to
peter
for
being
here
today.
It's
the
independent
candidates,
the
democrats
and
the
republicans
never
even
showed
up
right,
that's
disgusting
and
what
they're
doing
is
they're
having
their
own
private
little
debates
again,
I'm
not
even
listed
we're
a
month
and
a
half
and
away
I'm
not
even
listed
as
a
candidate
in
vermont
digger.
B
C
A
A
C
Well,
I
wish
brenda
siegel
was
available
to
give
us
a
you
know
her
description
of
how
things
are
going
right
now,
but
I'm
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
red
and
blue
are
battling
over
something
that
I'm
not
sure
it's
a
it's
a
real
point
of
a
good
point
of
contention,
whether
or
not
to
have
a
safe
injection
site
or
not,
because
we
have
such
a
rural
state.
Hardly
anybody
is
going
to
be
able
to
get
to
a
fixed
location
so
regularly.
B
Sure
this
is
my
number
one
concern
I
think,
as
vermonters
as
americans
and
as
the
world.
This
is
the
real
pandemic
and
we've
got
the
answer
to
world
precedent.
We've
got
the
proven
way
out.
The
problem.
Is
our
democrats
and
republicans
just
talk
about
it
and
that's
we
decriminalize
that
right,
I'm
not
talking
about
legalizing
it.
If
I
catch
you
dealing
you're
trafficking,
we're
going
to
put
you
in
jail
for
a
long
time,
but
for
your
every
everyday
average
user.
B
I
want
to
decriminalize
it
for
sure,
and
that
comes
with
a
giant
shot
of
economic
growth
and
development,
and
I'm
talking
about
real
rehab,
not
a
28-day
detox,
and
then
we
throw
you
right
back
in
the
same
circumstances.
Right
now
we're
paying
to
narcan
you
25
times
we
send
you
to
rehab
45
times.
Eventually
we
pay
to
pay
to
put
you
in
jail
and
then
we're
putting
you
in
a
coffin
right.
How
many
friends
and
neighbors
need
to
die
before
we
actually
do
something
about
it.
B
So
I
think
the
answer
is
real
rehab
and
I'm
talking
three
months
to
18
months
and
18
months
comes
with.
You
know
mental
health
therapy,
it
comes
with
jobs,
training
and
aftercare,
so
sober
living.
So
if
you
can
share
this
vision
with
me,
we're
talking
about
hundreds
of
facilities
all
across
the
states
all
across
the
state,
so
I'm
going
to
need,
you
know
landscapers
and
architects
and
engineers
and
plumbers
and
electricians,
and
doctors
and
nurses
and
therapists
and
jobs,
jobs,
jobs
and
then
afterwards,
here's
another
word.
B
You
won't
hear
over
out
of
another
politician's
mouth
instead
of
higher
taxes.
I,
like
return
on
investment
right,
imagine
vermont
with
these
facilities.
I
care
about
our
brothers
and
sisters
in
new
york
state
and
in
massachusetts
and
in
new
hampshire,
and
we
have
nothing
like
this.
So
I
would
love
to
lead.
Have
vermont
lead
the
nation
this
started
in
holland.
B
I
think
the
idea
of
safe
injection
sites
back
to
that
queue
on
its
own
is
ridiculous,
but
I
think
if
you
do
it
in
a
whole
system
like
they
did
in
holland
or
portugal,
again,
we
have
led
the
nation.
I've
led
the
world
in
opioids,
we
grow
by
three
to
five
hundred
percent
every
year.
Right
in
portugal,
they
cut
their
crime
by
420
percent,
reduced
drug
use
by
56
overdoses
by
85
heroin
use
by
75.
A
B
Oh
well,
there's
a
there's,
a
million
issues
that
are
happening
and
these
are
historic
times
and
how
blessed
are
we
to
all
be
a
part
of
it
and
who
wouldn't
want
to
be
a
part
of
this?
You
know
I've
got
a
pretty
extensive
background
and
I
think
I'm
qualified
and
I've
accepted
this
role,
but
it's
not
because
I
want
it.
I
can't
imagine
anybody
wanting
to
do
this
job,
I'm
not
a
politician.
It's
my
best
attribute
right.
I've
never
been
a
banker.
I've
never
been
a
lawyer.
B
I
think
we've
been
again
not
only
racketeered,
but
over
government
right
there's.
We
can't
afford
them
anymore
and
if
I'm
governor,
I'm
gonna,
let
you
keep
a
little
bit
of
your
own
money
and
I
think
you
can
spend
it
a
whole
lot
wiser
than
the
knuckleheads
we
have
in
office
now
so
rather
than
fight
over
corrupt
seats,
nobody
really
wants
in
a
rigged
system.
I
plan
on
just
arresting
them
all.
Then
we
can
go
back
to
talking
politics
afterwards.
I've
got
the
policies,
the
economic
growth
and
development.
B
I
have
the
ability
to
bring
air
power,
we
can
generate
your
car
and
your
home
with
air,
I'm
in
contact
with
manufacturers
we're
going
to
make
armor
out
of
hemp
stronger,
stronger
than
steel
lighter
than
aluminum.
I
want
to
make
wood
how
about
we
cut
down?
We
make
lumber
without
cutting
down
any
more
trees.
All
you
college,
kids,
green,
green
energy,
people
right
clean
energy's,
a
scam
go
ahead.
C
I'm
running
because
red
team
and
blue
team
are
not
getting
the
job
done
and
they're
drawing
these
false
battle
lines
and
meanwhile
the
plant
is
cooking
and
the
oceans
are
depleted
and
nutrified
and
acidified
and
we're
filling
up
with
microplastics
and
novel
pollutants
from
modern
civilization
and
there's
mass
extinction
and
extreme
weather
sea
level
rise.
Drought,
flood
crop
failure,
we're
in
trouble
and
so
far
we're
getting.
You
know
lip
service
from
and
tokenism
from
the
big
names,
I'm
looking
for
the
underlying
themes
and
solutions
that
address
multiple
issues
simultaneously.