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From YouTube: Chittenden Solid Waste District - 7/27/2022
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00:00:00 Call to Order/Agenda
00:01:23 Public Comment Period
00:01:50 Materials Recovery Facility
01:39:45 Executive Session – MRF Contract Update
01:41:17 Other Business
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Okay,
thank
you
very
much
paul,
and
so,
as
you
mentioned,
we
have
several
items
all
to
do
with
the
murph
this
evening.
The
first
one
is
a
requirement
of
going
out
to
seek
bonding
for
a
project
so
anytime.
The
district
has
to
or
elects
to
enter
into
long-term
indebtedness,
and
we
do
need
to
receive
the
approval
of
our
voters.
The
eligible
voters
in
egyptian
county
with
or
within
the
district,
in
this
case,
chittenden
county.
B
We
also
need
to
pass
what's
known
as
a
resolution
of
me,
so
the
the
public
needs
to
have
an
assurance
that
there
is
a
true
public
need
public
interest
in
the
project
and
that
will
serve
the
public
good.
So
it
is
incumbent
upon
the
board
of
commissioners
to
pass
a
resolution
stating
the
various
reasons
why
we
believe
that
the
the
district
voters
need
to
approve
the
long-term
indebtedness
demonstrating
the
need
for
this
project.
So
that
is
the
first
item
that
you
have,
and
this
has
to
be
done
according
to
a
very
strict
schedule.
B
So
this
is
why
it
is
before
you
today
it
could.
We
could
have
waited
until
august,
but
there's
really
no
need
to
do
so,
and
I
think
getting
this
resolution
of
me
passed
ahead
of
you
know.
All
the
early
voting
that
will
be
coming
up
very
shortly
is
really
important.
It
will
also
support
our
ongoing
public
education
efforts
and
outreach
efforts,
and
we
can
then,
as
we
start
to
talk
with
our
select
boards
one-on-one
about
the
project.
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E
Thanks
sorry,
this
this
isn't
directly
pertinent,
but
it's
something
I
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
or
have
an
answer
to.
After
the
vote
on
the
proposed
there
will
be
the
motion
that
I'm
sure
will
be
proposed,
and
that
is
that
there
are
going
to
be
voters
who
have
already
voted
early
or
will
have
voted
early
by
mail
absentee
ballot
before
november
8th,
and
I
wonder
how
we're
going
to
reach
those
people
with
this.
You
know
special
request
to
go
to
their
polling
place.
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B
Yes,
that
is
a
a
critical
component
of
our
public
outreach
efforts
and
campaign,
and
it
has
been
slightly
complicated
this
year
due
to
the
change
in
law
that,
where
the
secretary
of
state
is
now
automatically
mailing
general
election
ballots
to
eligible
voters
throughout
the
state,
we
are
not
eligible
for
that
service.
So,
regardless
our
voters
are
going
to
have
to
request
our
our
ballot
and
our
ballot
is
considered
a
special
election
ballot.
B
If
they
do
go
vote
in
person,
then
they
will
be
given
all
of
the
ballots
that
they
they
need
to
to
use.
But
we
are
going
to
have
to
execute
a
much
more
intensive,
get
out
the
vote,
effort
with
very
specific
instructions
as
to
how
to
access
the
ballot.
So,
yes,
we
are
unfortunately
very
painfully
aware
that
we
are
not
eligible
and
we've
had
multiple
conversations
with
the
secretary
of
state's
office.
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B
A
This
is
important
because,
again
we
need
to
act
on
this
tonight
and
I
think
all
the
commissioners
need
to
have
confidence
on
the
specific
language
that
they're
voting
on,
and
we
also
don't
want
to
come
back
and
have
to
redo
this.
If
we
missed
something
and
the
technical
correction
is
required,
it's
a
long,
it
is
a
long
resolution.
I
prefer
that
we
not
read
the
entire
resolution
if
that's
agreeable,
to
the
board
as
long
as
we're
clear
on
the
corrections
that
are
being
made
to
it.
B
The
first
resolution
is
here
for
the
result,
and
that
includes
the
wording
of
the
ballot
initiative
and
then
the
second
resolution,
or
the
continuation
of
the
resolution
is
the
warning
that
is
exhibit
a.
So
I
think
we
want
to
exhibit
a
as
corrected
thomas
or
as
not
quite
amended,
but
as
that's
correct.
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G
We
had
an
internal
conversation
that
included
thomas
that
it
would
be
better
for
the
voters
if
we
referred
in
that
title
of
that
resolution
to
reference
the
materials
recovery
facility
which
matches
our
efforts
with
the
outreach
and
education
about
this
initiative.
So
if
it
could
read
approval
of
general
obligation,
bonds
for
chitin
and
solid
waste
district
dash
materials
recovery
facility,
that
would
be
helpful
for
the
voters
to
understand
what
this
is
about
without
having
to
read
all
the
way
down,
so
that
it
it
they
understand
through
our
education
and
outreach.
What
this
is
about.
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B
Yeah,
no
it's!
We
are
still
not
at
all,
anticipating
needing
any
assistance
and
repaying
the
debt
service,
and
we'll
talk
more
about
why
we
were
confident
in
that
this
is
basically
you
know
it's
covering
covering
the
district
from
a
legal
standpoint
and
thomas
you
can
elaborate
more
if
you'd
like,
but
it's
it's
to
basically
not
promise
that
we'll
never
have
a
need
to
charge
an
assessment
and
really
the
the
only
way
that
I
think
we
would
need
to
charge.
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B
Weren't
able
to
be
satisfied
through
other
means,
such
as
selling
assets,
etc,
but
there's
there's
nothing
that
we
see
in
our
projections
or
a
forecast.
That
would
indicate
a
need
to
assess
our
member
towns,
but
we
do
need
to
say
that,
because
in
our
charter,
we
we
we
say
this
is
why
we're
seeking
their
approval
is,
is
because
there's
a
risk
associated
with
any
long-term
indebtedness
of
the
district
and
because
you're
we're
all
members
jointly
of
the
district.
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A
B
B
I
want
to
thank
josh
and
jen
for
on
the
many
many
hours
that
went
into
learning
about
the
systems,
visiting
facilities
really
diving
extremely
deeply
into
all
of
the
possibilities
and
iterations
of
the
different
systems
that
that
there
could
be,
and
the
district
is
really
lucky
to
have.
You
know
this
team,
who
is
so
very
knowledgeable
now
about
all
the
different
ways
that
we
can
sort
materials
better
for
the
benefit
of
cswd.
B
B
K
Perfect,
okay,
great
well,
this
is
going
through
our
equipment
procurement
for
our
murph.
There's
two
steps
to
this
process
of
building
a
murf
one
is
to
identify
the
equipment
and
the
service
provider
that
we
want.
The
next
step
will
be
to
actually
develop
the
site
and
come
up
with
cost
estimates
to
build
the
building
so
step
one.
Here
we
go
our
procurement
objective.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
our
existing
murph
and
one
of
the
things
that
jumps
off
the
page
at
our
existing
murph
is
our
requirement
for
new
technology.
K
The
technology
that
we
are
requiring
is
industry
standard
at
this
point,
but
it
also
kind
of
filters
through
a
lot
of
the
objectives
that
we
we
had
pointed
out
in
our
rfp,
to
select
equipment
provider.
So
we
were
requesting
flexibility
and
material,
sorting,
automation
of
material
sorting,
and
that
was
to
stop
relying
so
heavily
on
a
human
workforce
and
then
optimization
of
material
sorting,
and
that
is
really
to
use
the
automation
to
increase
our
recovery
rates
and
our
purity
of
our
materials.
K
One
of
the
largest
objective
we
also
had
is
futurising,
which,
according
to
my
spell
check,
is
a
word
and
really
that's
developing
room
for
robotics.
There's
significant
advances
in
robotics
right
now
and
artificial
intelligence
and
artificial
neural
networks.
We
are
at
the
point
where
we're
interested
but
not
ready
to
purchase
yet
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
room.
K
We
see
a
lot
of
value
in
the
future
for
robotics,
but
at
this
point
we
do
still
see
that
the
qatc
portion
of
our
of
our
recycling
center
will
be
probably
human,
sorting
and
then
potential
increase
for
higher
future
throughputs
room
to
build
room
to
grow
room,
to
increase
our
throughput
and
then
finally,
service
parts,
maintenance
and
training.
We
are
building
a
new
technological
facility
which
is
different
than
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
23
years.
K
So
we
really
hit
all
the
people
who
responded
to
our
rfp
hard
with
what
kind
of
service
they
can
provide,
how
many
parts
are
available
to
us
at
an
acceptable
range
of
distance
to
get
it
to
us,
how
many
maintenance
technicians
were
available
to
us,
and
you
know
if
they
had
the
potential
for
training
at
one
of
their
own
facilities
or
on
site,
because
we
will
be
requesting
to
install
optical
sorters
which
are
new
to
us,
the
qualifications.
We
know
we
want
a
25
ton
per
hour,
processing
throughput.
K
We
want
to
keep
the
processing
footprint
to
40
000
square
feet.
We
want
optical
sorters
ballistic
separators,
any
current
magnet
separator
two
baylor
systems
which
I'll
repeat
multiple
times
for
this
presentation,
because
it's
extremely
important,
large
commodity
bunkers,
which
helps
us
with
our
flexibility
in
bailing
and
really
optimizes
our
operations
and
q,
a
q
c
on
the
residual
line.
So
that
means
if
something
gets
identified
as
not
a
material.
You
want
to
go
to
its
bunker,
but
it
happened
to
be
in
the
wrong
place.
K
We
have
a
second
chance
to
pull
it
and
put
it
in
the
right
place
or
if
things
through
optical,
sorting
get
targeted
that
you
know
accidentally
we're
stuck
to
something
else.
This
gives
us
the
chance
to
identify
it
and
get
it
back
into
the
system
and
recover
it,
which
again
goes
along
with
our
recovery
rate
and
our
purities
that
we're
looking
for.
K
We
did
want
to
use
our
existing
baylor
that
we
purchased
in
2018.
It
is
a
two
ram
baler
we
send
all
of
our
materials
through
it
currently
and
we
wanted
to
integrate
our
glass
cleanup
system.
A
portion
of
our
secondary
system
is
in
great
shape
and
will
last
for
quite
a
long
time,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
going
to
use
that
and
optimize
the
equipment
we
have
available
to
us
now.
Full
baler
redundancy,
that's
the
two
baylor
system.
K
Currently
we
only
have
one
so
when
the
baler
stops
working,
we
are
done
until
it
starts
working
again.
Baylor
redundancy
means
that
we
have
the
ability
to
send
any
material
to
either
of
the
balers
at
any
time.
So
it's
just
not
fixing
a
certain
material
type
to
one
type
of
baler,
so
that's
really
important
for
full
functionality
at
our
facility
and
that's
what
we
requested
in
our
proposals.
K
Our
target
targeted
commodity
purities.
I
guess
purity
is
in
recovery.
We
wanted
a
95
minimum
recovery.
That
means
that
the
equipment
will
pull
95
of
whatever
material
we're
identifying
and
that
the
purity
of
that
material
that,
when
it
goes
to
market,
is
97
pure
the
purity
portion,
because
we're
going
to
use
humans
to
qaqc
that
will
be
part
of
you
know
the
operating
contract
that
we
have
so
there's
a
there's,
a
role
for
you,
know,
cswd
staffing
in
there
or
operator
staffing,
but
with
the
technology
that's
at
hand.
K
This
is
not
hard
to
get
to
and
we
actually
anticipate
exceeding
these
percentages,
but
we're
targeting
paper,
which
you
know
is
there's
multiple
grades
of
paper
that
we'd
like
to
target
cardboard.
Aluminum
number
one
drink
bottles
are
pet,
hdpe,
natural
and
colored
pp,
which
is
polypropylene.
That's
the
number
five
resins
which
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
of
these
days
and
we'd
like
our
technology
to
identify
it
more
efficiently,
ferrous
metals
and
rigid
plastics.
We
currently
don't
send
a
lot
of
rigid
plastics
out
because
we
don't
have
the
room
to
store
it.
K
K
K
The
procurement
results,
so
what
we
wound
up
doing
is
when
we
received
the
bids,
we
gave
everybody
an
initial
interview
and
we
sat
down
for
two
hours
with
each
provider
and
walked.
You
know
point
by
point
through
each
bid
to
make
sure
we
got
what
we
wanted.
We
made
some
statements,
ask
some
questions
from
that.
We
identified
a
shortlist.
K
We
brought
the
shortlist
back
in
for
another
two
hour
interview
and
then
at
that
point
we
had
an
eye
on
what
we
liked
and
we
actually
went
out
to
las
vegas,
sarah,
myself
and
brian
matall,
and
we
actually
met
each
provider
in
person
that
we
were
interested
in
to
go
through
the
equipment
that
they
had
proposed
and
out
in
vegas
at
waste
expo.
There
was
a
large
exhibition
hall,
so
we
were
actually
able
to
see
some
of
the
stuff
that
they
were
proposing
in
person
and
in
action.
K
It
was
demonstrative
action
in
that
time
we
also
were
able
to
get
out
to
a
couple
of
like
murphs
that
were
proposed
to
us
to
make
sure
we
really
understood.
You
know
that
optical
sawyer
is
firing
there.
Where
is
it
wind
up?
Where
does
it
go?
How
does
it
get
there?
So
we
really
kind
of
proved
to
ourselves.
The
systems
that
we
were
interested
in
were
the
ones
that
we
wanted
and
we're
going
to
get
the
job
done
for
us.
We
also
have
a
price
point.
We
had
a
budgeted
amount.
K
So,
as
we
went
through
the
evaluation
process,
we
came
down
to
that
bottom
table
that
you
see
there.
Bdrs
is
van
dyke
recycling
systems.
Vhs
is
bulk
handling
systems,
machine
x
and
cp
group.
We
scored
them
van
dyke,
recyclings
van
dyke
recycling
systems
scored
the
highest.
If
you
note
there,
they
are
not
the
cheapest
and
I'll
explain
that
later,
but
that
was
the
process
we
walked
through.
K
It
took
about
five
months
to
get
through
to
make
sure
that
we
selected
the
the
group
that
we
think
fits
our
needs
the
best
and
so
we're
recommending
van
dyke.
That's
dd
rs,
not
hs.
Sorry
were
not
the
lowest
bid
proposal.
Bulk
handling
system
was
so
when
we
compared
those
two
systems
side
by
side
van
dyke
was
a
little
more
robust.
Bhs
has
some
exceptional
technology,
but
van
dyke
was
belt
and
suspenders
proven
technology.
K
They
built
in
flexibility
specifically
to
fiber,
which
is
important
to
us,
because
80
of
the
commodities
that
we
generate
are
fiber,
so
we
have
four
bunkers
and
we
can
actually
generate
a
mixed
grade
now
if
we
want
to
to
match
the
requirements
of
the
market,
which
is
really
exciting.
For
someone
like
me,
they
also
proposed
seven
optical
sorters,
where
bhs
proposed
four,
and
that's
really
that
technology
upgrade.
We
were
looking
for.
It
allows
all
those
initial
points
of
flexibility
that
we
really
wanted
to
see.
K
They're
also
located
four
hours
away
from
us,
so
that
was
really
important.
You
know
they
can
jump
in
a
car
and
get
to
us
within
four
hours.
They've
got
eight
service
technicians
in
new
england
actually
out
at
their
connecticut
site.
They
have
a
project
manager
in
vermont
and
they
have
approximately
20
million
parts
and
pieces
in
inventory
on-site
in
connecticut.
K
They
also
have
a
regional
training
center,
which
was
very
ideal
for
us,
because
we
are
stepping
into
the
world
of
optical
disorders.
They
can
train
us
at
their
norwalk
facility
for
optical
sorters
and
their
balers.
Their
balers
do
lead
the
industry
as
far
as
longevity
and
they're
bulletproof
it
is.
It
is
one
of
the
better
quality
balers
we
can
get.
So
that's
really
exciting.
As
the
baler
is.
You
know
the
heartbeat
of
the
facility.
K
A
I
K
No,
that
integration
is
pretty
straightforward:
it
wasn't
a
machine
x,
baler
robot.
Either
we
put
it
into
machine
x
facility
and
a
two
ram.
Baler
is
really
good
on
containers
and
the
the
van
dyke
baylor
they're
proposing
can
run
the
entire
system
by
itself
and
it's
really
good
for
baling
fibers,
so
that's
exciting
as
well.
Then
we
can
mix
our
commodities
to
the
baylor
tech
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
L
K
So
number
two
natural
is
the
most
valuable,
so
number
two
can
be
broken
into
natural
and
colored.
The
most
valuable
container
besides
aluminum
is
the
plastic
is
a
number
two
natural
number
one
fluctuates
and
number
five
fluctuates,
but
we're
starting
to
see
an
increase
because
number
five
is
more
environmentally
friendly
to
generate
so
a
lot
of
industry
packagers
are
shifting
towards
number
fives,
and
the
difficulty
right
now
is
that
you
know
like
a
clam
shell,
like
the
thing
you
can
buy,
to
put
your
salad
in
it
at
whole
foods.
K
That
could
be
a
one
two
or
a
five,
and
so
when
you've
got
people
staring
at
it,
it's
hard
to
pull
that
immediately.
But
when
you've
got
an
optical
sorter
identifying
its
resin
code
that
we
can
pull
a
lot
more
of
the
actual
material,
which
is
why
our
purities
are
going
to
be
up
around
that
97
and
we're
seeing
you
know
it's
also
in
bulk
right.
K
L
That
was
really
my
question,
because
I've
been
seeing
one
two
and
five
like
mcdonald's,
clear,
plastic,
glasses
and
one
two
and
five
clam
shell
type
things
on
the
street
and
I
was
thinking
obviously
sorters
couldn't
handle
it.
I
mean
people
couldn't
handle
that
so
the
optical
sorters
can
actually
tell
the
different
products.
That's
fantastic.
K
K
D
D
K
N
Yeah
no
problem
so
the
optical
sorters
themselves
and
our
control
panels,
if
not
connected
to
the
internet,
there's
really
no
way
to
get
in
the
hack,
those.
But
the
moment
that
you
connect
to
an
unsecured
server.
Let's
say
just
a
random
server,
that's
at
the
building
at
cswd
yeah.
That
could
happen.
N
However,
our
our
support
team
has
the
ability
to
go
in
and
take
a
look
at
those
optical
sorters.
Take
a
look
at
those
balers,
while
you're
operating
to
try
to
avoid
a
trip
and
there's
sometimes
you
know,
we
can
save
time.
Save
you
money
by
being
able
to
solve
the
problem
via
the
computer.
We
have
our
own
servers,
so
it's
included
in
the
quote
where
we
put
our
own
server
box
that
only
vdrs
can
access
like
only
vdrs
being
van
deck
recycling
and
it's
not
connected
to
anywhere
else.
It's
our
own
box.
It's
provided.
N
It's
dropped
in
there
at
your
facility
and
that
that
keeps
it
secure
enough
to
keep
outside
people
from
coming
in
and
they're
going
to
look
at
it.
It's
super
important
because
if
you
have
somebody
going
in
and
making
changes
on
a
baler
while
somebody's
operating
trying
to
operate
the
baler,
that
could
cause
major
major
problems.
So
there's
a
lot
of
strict
rules
due
to
that
safety
rules
really.
F
B
Sure,
yeah,
no
sure,
thank
you.
It's
a
good
question
and
we
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we're
we're
taking
the
wait
and
see
approach
to
the
robotics.
There's
been
a
an
incredible.
You
know,
increase
in
that
technology,
just
in
the
past
five
years,
never
mind
the
past
10
years,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
that
test
case
and
more
and
more
of
those
units
are
are
being
put
into
systems
around
the
country.
But
we
wanted
to
still
take
a
bit
of
a
more
conservative
conservative
approach
to
that
newest
technology.
B
All
of
the
technology
that
you
know
van
dijk
has
put
into
their
proposal.
It
is
tried
and
true,
and
it
has
been
in
place
for
over
15
years
around
the
country,
so
it
is
definitely
not
leading
edge.
It
is
current
modern,
nerf
technology,
so
we
want
to
give
a
little
bit
of
time
and
space
for
some
of
that
more
adventurous,
more
adventurous
items.
B
So
what
we
did
was
we
focused
and
when
we
were
looking
at
the
differences
in
the
technology
being
proposed
was
in
more
of
the
kind
of
the
ability
of
the
the
machines
to
learn
right.
So
the
ai
and
any
kind
of
visioning
systems,
and
where,
over
time,
the
computers
would
would
be
able
to
better
quickly
identify
different
types
of
packaging,
of
different
shapes
and
colors
and
things
so
that
was
again
as
josh
had
mentioned,
was
really
where
bhs
shown
the
most.
So
they
got
the
most
points
under
quality
proposal.
B
We
have
put
that's
where
we
kind
of
tagged
the
technology,
so
it
was,
they
scored
the
highest
because
they
are
the
furthest
ahead
of
any
of
the
respondents
on
that
kind
of
high-tech,
basically
visioning
system
where
the
computers
are
learning.
But
you
know,
machine
x
is
not
not
far.
Behind
van
dijk
is
not
far
behind,
so
everyone
scored
pretty
well,
but
that
was
where
we
made
that
adjustment
for
the
really
super
ultra
modern
components
of
the
tech.
M
K
So
the
range
of
the
alternatives
was
roughly
9
to
23
and
23
was
because
the
system
that
was
proposed
we
had
asked
you
know
we
can't
afford
a
19
million
dollar
system.
What
can
you
do
if
it
took
technology
out,
but
they
added
people
in
the
system
that
we
went
with
with
van
dyke
is
approximately
10
to
12.
K
The
recommendation
is
11
to
start,
but
you
could
probably
get
away
with
less
once
the
system's
up
and
running
because
you
know
when
you
look
at
a
national
standard,
a
lot
of
the
qa
qc
has
to
do
with
residue
and
our
residue
lights
are
pretty
low.
So
we
want
to
get
this
system
up
and
running
to
see
where
we
need
to
put
people
and
right
now
we're
estimating
11
is
kind
of
our
landing
point
to
make
the
system
as
optimal
as
we
need
it
and
ryan
crick
jump
in
if
I'm
wrong.
N
No
you're
right
and
the
amount
of
sorters
affects
the
cost
greatly,
so
you
could
have
an
optical
sorter
at
every
single
location.
Where
there's
a
sorter,
you
could
have
a
robot.
You
know
the
same
kind
of
thing,
but
as
you
continue
adding
technology
first
of
all,
you've
got
more
maintenance.
You
got
to
deal
with,
but
secondly
your
cost
starts
to
go
through
the
roof.
So
back
in
the
day
a
plant
you
know
a
2500
per
hour
plant
in
vermont,
probably
would
have
had
25
to
30
sorters.
N
The
fact
that
we're
down
to
10
to
12
is
like
a
nice
happy
medium.
I
just
saw
a
plant
last
week
in
texas
running
40
tons
an
hour
with
seven
sorters,
which
was,
which
is
great.
You
know
that's
a
good
direction,
we're
moving
in,
but
then
again
that's
a
30
million
dollar
plant.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
give
and
take,
and
it
just
depends
on
budgeting
and
and
you're
going
to
make
great
quality.
You
know
with
that
11
number
that
joshua's
mentioned.
O
K
So
those
numbers
came
from
the
israeli
specs
on
commodities,
acceptance
for
factories
and,
right
now
the
you
know
the
market
bears
what
the
market
will
take,
but
israel,
the
they're,
the
group
that
rates
what
a
commodity's
sellable
value
should
be.
So
what
I
did
is
I
marked
up
what
their
true
specs
were
for
their
selling
commodities,
which
was
that
97
purity
and
you
know
in
97
95
recovery.
K
The
market
doesn't
require
that
right
now,
and
I
think
ryan
will
speak
to
this,
but
the
market's
changing
so
as
of
2018
when
china
closed
their
doors-
and
we
had
that-
you
know
recycling
crisis,
the
international
market
had
a
lot
more
flexibility
and
purity
and
and
residual
content.
Now
that
we're
domestic
it's
great,
because
we
don't
put
anything
on
a
boat,
there's
a
lot
more
robustness
in
the
system,
but
the
system
was
also
requiring
a
cleaner
bale
of
material.
K
O
K
And
that's
what
we
asked
our
our
vend,
so
we
asked
our
proposers
to
provide
us
with
a
system
that
can
get
us
there
and
so
that
the
the
95
recovery
is,
you
know
we
we
can
do
that
with
our
optical
sorters
and
the
purity
level
is
the
accuracy
of
those
optical
sorters
and
then,
if
the
optical
disorders
pop
anything
off
that
isn't
what's
supposed
to
be
there.
That's
where
qc
line
comes
into
play
and
that's
where
we
kept
humans
on
the
qc
line,
because
that's
an
easier
job.
K
You
know
you
just
you're,
sifting
through
pics
that
are
identifying
contamination
or
the
wrong.
You
know
outros
the
wrong
material
and
we've
got
spots
to
to
recover
those.
So
that's
that's
why
we
said
97
purity
and
that's
why
I
said
in
the
beginning
of
the
conversation
it
it's
still
on
us
too.
You
know
we're
going
to
have
to
staff
that
qc
line
to
get
to
that
97.
B
It
it's
a
combination,
alan
of
both
the
efficiency
and
effectiveness
of
the
optical
sorting
and
having
some
humans
to
basically
quality
control
that
that
equipment,
so
we're
aiming
for
this
very
high
level
to
really
meet
the
the
top
level
of
the
scrap
recycling
industry's
specifications.
So
it's
it's!
It's
that
combination
of
you
know
the
optics
and
again
ryan
can
can
speak
to
disorders,
they're
starting
technology,
and
so
it's
the
number
of
sort
of
optical
stars.
You
have
the
quality
of
the
optical.
B
Sorting
and
again
van
dyke
brings
a
you
know:
industry-leading
optical
sorting
partnership
as
well,
and
having
the
right
people
in
the
right
spots
and
when
we're
building
in
flexibility
for
the
future.
You
know
future
sizing
and
I
think
josh
could
coin
that
word.
I
don't
know
that.
That's
real,
but
that's
fine,
we'll
take
it.
There
are
in
every
by
every
optical
sorting
station.
There
are
additional
slots
for
additional
people.
N
So
they
wrote
a
really
good
rfp
and
those
were
the
targets
that
they
wanted
us
to.
Reach
which
give
us
give
gave
us
a
challenge
so
we're
our
design
is
based
upon
trying
to
meet
those
goals
as
as
good
as
possible.
Now,
for
instance,
if
I'm
shooting
p-e-t
with
my
optical
and
I'm
getting
95
of
it
and
it's
coming
through,
but
there's
some
contamination
and
that's,
then
it
becomes
a
responsibility
of
that
sorter
to
take
that
little
bit
of
contamination
out.
N
If
that
sort
of
falls
asleep
or
is
looking
at
their
phone
or
go
for
a
cigarette
smoke
or
whatever,
we
can't
stop
that.
So
it's
the
constant
fluctuation
of
up
and
down
now,
let's
say
we
achieve
95
recovery
and
the
purity
is
only
93
the
market's,
not
turning
you
away.
You
know,
like
they're
they're,
just
setting
really
high
standards
for
for
the
best
quality
product
possible
to
get
the
best
price
for
them.
N
So
the
system
set
up
for
that
and
over
years
and
years-
and
you
know-
we've
dealt
with
the
national
sword
thing
that
josh
talked
about
in
2018.
We've
had
to
change
how
we,
how
we
build
our
systems,
use
tools
in
different
ways
to
achieve
those
goals,
and
you
know
sarah
and
josh
and
jen.
They
went
out
and
saw
plants
and
saw
that
happening.
So
that's
how
they
based
their
decisions
on
that.
K
A
Right,
I'm
just
going
to
recognize
myself
very
quickly,
a
comment
I
believe
I
heard
you
say:
josh
that
we'd
have
the
ability
to
accept
and
process
rigid
plastic
and
just
a
note
to
to
the
marketing
staff
that
I
think
that
would
be
an
important
fact
to
to
mention
to
the
public
and
part
of
the
campaign.
I
think
that
would
be
well
received.
P
K
So
we'll
we'll
do
we'll
do
testing.
You
know
when
the
system
is
put
in
place,
we'll
spend
right
what
two
weeks
of
system
testing
with
van
dyke
employees
and
cswd,
or
you
know,
operators
to
really
validate
and
verify
and
we'll
bring
back
to
the
board,
or
maybe
I
don't
know,
let's
we
bring
that
back
to
the
board,
got
it
hopefully
not
getting
ahead
of
myself
really
kind
of
what
what
our
recovery
rates
are
and
what
our
what
our
purities
are
so
and
and
ryan.
You
can
speak
to
that
a
little
more.
N
Yeah,
basically,
every
murph,
so
I
mean
there's
a
ramp
up
period.
So
when
we
flip
the
switch
to
the
plant,
there's
going
to
be
tries
and
tribulations,
and
we
have
to
calibrate
the
optical
sorters
to
do
the
job
they're
supposed
to
do
make
the
paper
as
clean
as
possible,
make
everything
as
pure
as
possible
and
get
our
recovery
rates
all
the
way
up.
So
that
takes
a
few
weeks
of
optimization.
You
know
with
our
team
on
site
and
training
your
people,
you
know
what
to
see
what
to
change
what
to
do
once.
N
You
know,
run
four
hours
make
sure
the
material
can
run
25
times
per
hour
and
then
do
some
select
bail
audits
and
make
sure
that
we
are
achieving
the
the
recovery
rates
for
paper.
Do
a
residue
audit
all
over
that
four
hour
period.
So
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
come
together
and
build
a
protocol
and
a
testing
procedure
for
so
that's
that's!
Typically.
N
That's
always
how
we
do
things,
especially
when
it
comes
to
municipal
bids
and
there's
taxpayer
dollars
involved,
and
you
know
people
are
looking
at
this
plant
want
to
make
sure
it
operates
the
way
it
was
said
it
was
supposed
to
operate
so
there's
typically
and
sarah
will
deal
with
this
later,
but
some
kind
of
hold
back
or
something
that
you
know
once
everyone's
happy.
Once
we've
achieved
our
goals,
then
we
complete
the
project.
P
P
N
One
day,
all
of
a
sudden,
you
see
that
half
the
pet
is
being
missing
and
you
can't
figure
out
why,
at
that
point,
you'll
call
into
our
our
team
in
norwalk
they'll
be
able
to
dial
in
and
see
you
know
just
basically
the
screen
and
the
control.
Maybe
we'll
ask
for
some
videos
or
something
like
that
and
say:
okay,
half
your
valve
block
is
broken.
N
Then
you're
up
you
guys
say
we
can't
fix
that
valve
block.
Then
my
guy
gets
in
the
truck
and
he
goes
up
and
he
and
he
comes
and
does
the
repair
and
brings
the
spare
parts.
So
the
only
time
we're
really
like
linkedin
online
is
when
you
call
our
techs
in
and
they're
able
to
just
remote
in
and
all
they
can
really
see.
Is
the
hmi,
the
the
screen
and
look
at
the
warnings
and
there's
diagnostic
tools
and
things
like
that
built
into
the
optical.
P
N
Yeah
so
there's
we
train
your
team
to
be
able
to
read
that
in
the
machine.
So
if
you
look
at
the
machine,
you
can
see,
you've
got
x,
amount
of
material
coming
over
and
pet
is
70
of
that
material,
and
you
can
see
it
there.
If
you
go
to
the
next
machine.
The
next
machine
is
number
two
pe,
then
all
of
a
sudden
you're
still
seeing
a
lot
of
pet
on
that
machine
by
you
know
just
by
what
it
says
on
the
screen.
You're
able
to
tell
maybe
there's
something
wrong.
So
you've
got
it.
N
So
the
people
that
are
walking
through
the
plant
need
to
understand
this
type
of
data
and
be
able
to
watch
and
be
able
to
see
and
be
able
to
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
pt
getting
into
the
line.
Looking
at
the
residue
line
but
yeah
the
optical
themselves,
can
give
you
a
lot
of
information
and
that's
stuff
that
you
can
print
out
and
download
to
excel
and
take
a
look
at
at
your
charts
and
what's
happening.
Okay,.
N
Yes,
it
is
yeah
and
then
even
on
the
baylor
side
like
if,
if
you're
making,
let's
say
five
bales
a
day
at
pet,
then
all
of
a
sudden
you're
only
making
two
the
bailout
report
is
going
to
tell
you.
You've
only
made
two
bills
of
pt,
but
why
is
that?
That's
weird?
Nothing!
You
know
it
should
stay
pretty
normal.
P
B
K
K
What's
on
that,
so
you
know
we
can't
put
a
qc
station,
we
do
have
an
obstacle
on
that
to
pull
the
materials
we
want
to
get
back
into
the
system,
but
we
do
have
with
this
system
the
ability
to
put
person
on
that
to
identify
anything
that
we
may
or
may
not
want
to
be
going
into
the
garbage,
and
we
you
know-
or
we
could
just
stand
there
for
an
hour
a
day
and
identify
it
as
well.
But
you
know
at
least
we
have
a
position
to
do
that.
So.
B
E
O
F
K
K
K
N
Yeah,
I
think
richard.
What
a
lot
of
voters
don't
understand
is
that
the
murph
you
know
sarah
and
josh's
murph
and
jones
murph-
is
a
macro
sort,
so
you're
making
a
bale
of
pet.
It's
not
a
hundred
percent
pet,
but
it's
95,
pt
and
there's
a
let's
say:
there's
five
percent,
it's
not
that
gets
bought
by
another
murph.
Basically,
that
then
cleans
up
that
five
percent
and
grinds
everything
down
and
makes
almost
a
perfect
product
to
return
into
pellets.
N
So
the
job
of
of
this
murph
and
and
well
listen,
I
think,
is
isn't
really
to
do
that.
You
know
and
then
some
people
try
to
push
it
too
far
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you're
sending
perfect
bales,
but
yet
you've
got
more
residue
and
that
pet
mill
is
still
cleaning
up
your
bail
and
they're
not
giving
you
any
more
money
for
it.
So
it
gets.
N
N
B
B
So
I
think
the
response
to
that
is
that
the
the
equipment
all
of
the
equipment,
all
the
sorters
you
know-
have
that
between
that
level
of
90
to
96
or
97
percent
accuracy.
So
it
doesn't
do
anyone
any
good
to
shoot
for
less
than
what
the
machines
are
designed
to
do.
So
we
want
to
continue
to
make
sure
that
we're
maximizing
the
technology
available
to
us,
which
is
again
not
super.
You
know
high,
futuristic
technology.
This
is
modern
in
place
right
now.
This
is
what
the
industry
is
is
expecting
and
requiring.
B
So
we
are.
We
need
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
are
able
to
consistently
meet
the
needs
of
the
markets
that
we
have
access
to,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
be
able
to
access
even
more
markets
than
we're
currently
involved
in
to
give
ourselves
as
much
flexibility
to
move
these
materials
for
as
long
as
possible
into
the
future.
So
it
really
doesn't
doesn't
benefit
us
at
all
to
to
sort
to
anything
less
than
what
is
currently
accepted
and
then
shoot
for
even
better
than
that.
F
B
B
A
B
K
B
N
Thank
you
all
right,
great,
so
so
yeah,
I
talked
already
quite
a
bit
about
the
selection
process
and
the
rfp
that
came
out
from
from
josh
and
sarah's
team,
and
they
wrote
a
really
good,
rfp
and
what's
happening.
These
days
is
there's
a
lot
of
antiquated
mirrors
that
were
built.
Let's
say
late
like
like
2008
and
through
2012
and
technology's
changed
a
lot
since
then.
So
the
requirements
of
the
of
the
end
markets,
which
we
were
discussing
a
little
bit
earlier.
N
So
we've
been
in
this
market
space
since
1984
started
with
baylor's
and
brought
baylors
over
from
from
holland,
super
high-level
baylor's.
We
brought
in
new
york
city
that
were
bailing
like
50
tons,
an
hour
of
of
cardboard
in
new
york
city
and
expanded
from
there.
So
I
went
from
cardboard
and
and
primarily
high-grade
new
high-grade
papers
and
newspapers
and
then
went
out
into
into
plastics
as
well,
so
we're
based
in
norwalk
connecticut.
We've
got
over
1700
projects
with
about
275
signal
stream,
murphs
and
a
lot
of
numerous
actually
being
built.
N
Currently
over
600
balers
installed
700
optical
storage
sorters
installed.
So
as
as
sarah
was
saying,
the
optical
sorting's
come
a
long
way,
since
you
know
the
first
ones
that
we
installed
back
in
around
2005,
so
we're
expanding
the
utility
of
those
machines,
so
not
just
in
plastics
but
fiber
as
well.
N
We've
got
14
mega
mers
of
50
plus
tons
per
hour,
so
these
large
scale
mirrors
are
almost
double
of
what
we
propose
for
chit,
indent,
so
in
new
york
city,
we're
processing
about
a
thousand
tons
per
day
of
containers.
There.
We
built
the
cedar
island
single
stream
system-
that's
currently
running
in
johnston,
washington
dc
big
facility
there,
as
well
kind
of
spread
out
all
across
america
and
then
one
in
connecticut
berlin
connecticut
that
anyone's
welcome
to
come
visit.
That's
starting
up
in
just
a
couple
weeks
now.
N
So
they
talked
a
little
bit
about
service
and
support.
So
in
norwalk,
we've
got
a
very
large
distribution
center
for
our
spare
parts
about
19
million
dollars
in
inventory.
That
can
either
be.
You
know
shipped
overnight
to
you
ship,
just
regular
ups.
We
have
couriers
that
can
bring
it
up
to
you
or
somebody
gets
in
their
van
and
drives
down
to
connecticut
they're
able
to
pick
it
up
there.
We
have
a
lot
of
customers
in
the
area
that
do
that.
N
Now
we
have
32
u.s
base
technicians,
eight
to
ten
of
those
residing
here
in
new
england,
and
ninety
percent
of
our
problems
are
resolved
actually
over
the
phone
or
via
the
internet.
As
we
were
discussing
earlier,
we've
got
phone
support,
available,
24
7
365.,
one
of
the
big
benefits
that
we
have
as
well
is
van
dyke,
direct,
so
van
dyke
direct
is
basically
the
amazon
style
ordering
system.
So
when
you
buy
a
system,
your
whole
system
and
parts
inventory
goes
into
a
website.
N
We
have
pictures
of
every
single
part.
We've
got
over.
I
think
it's
13
000
parts,
so
almost
40
000
pictures
of
each
individual
of
each
individual
item.
So
your
technician
can
put
in
a
serial
number
and
see
that
it's
the
right
part
and
then
get
it
shipped
and
then
also
keep
track
of
your
inventory.
What's
missing
what
you
need?
More,
if
you
use
you
know
a
conveyor
belt
shot,
you
can
pre-order
one
to
replace
it.
That
type
of
thing.
N
Another
thing
that's
included
in
the
system
is
van
dyke
vision.
It's
the
augmented
reality
system.
So
it's
this
little
hard
hat.
You
see
over
to
the
right
and
you've
got
a
technician
looking
into
the
panel.
So
what
that
is
basically
is
our
technician
can
see
the
little
can
see
what
your
technician
is
seeing
and
he
can
actually
there's
a
little
screen
that
you
can
see
on
that
hard
hat
here,
where
our
guy
can
circle
or
just
mark
up
different
things
and
say:
hey
that
relay's
got
a
problem.
Can
you
change
that
wire?
N
Can
you
do
that?
So
it's
almost
like
having
feet
on
the
ground,
but
your
technician's
kind
of
driving
the
show
and
our
guys
telling
them
what
to
do
so.
That's
that's
the
new
technology,
that's
included
with
this
as
well.
We've
got
a
used
equipment,
rebuild
shop,
rebuild
baylor's
and
then
there
in
norwalk
we've
got
van
dyke
university.
So
that's
training,
schools
for
our
optical
sorters
and
for
our
balers.
N
So
I've
done
a
couple
presentations
lately
about
you
know,
what's
happening
to
the
industry
and
and
myself
and
my
competitors
right
now,
we've
never
been
more
busy
in
our
lives,
and
a
lot
of
this
stems
from
the
2018,
the
national
sword
that
we're
trying
to
stop
taking
paper
materials.
We
had
you
know
severe
issues,
getting
materials
marketed
or
centered
internationally.
N
The
plastics
people
are
striking
back
that
the
quality
standards
were
bad
and
that's
that's.
Why,
like
today,
like
I
said
any
murph
that
was
built
before
2013
or
so
for
2014
even
is
getting
completely
either
a
full
rebuild
or
major
retrofits,
and
it's
been
honestly
very
difficult
for
us
to
keep
up.
So
the
standards
of
quality
are
increasing.
There's
a
lot
more
domestic
markets
that
aren't
going
to
take
the
contamination
rates
that
we
had
in
with
previous
sorting
technologies.
N
Recyclability
has
become
a
big
issue
as
well,
where
producers
are
starting
to
realize.
I
think
josh
mentioned
it
earlier
that
polystyrene
number
six
is
not
there's
no
way
market
for
it.
It's
not
really
recyclable,
but
the
number
five
is
so
people
are
starting
to
be
more
cognizant
about
that.
Realizing
black
plastics
are
difficult
to
recover
and
recycle
they're
moving
away
from
those
things,
so
the
market
itself
has
has
worked
on
that
a
lot
of
states
are
pushing
different
diversion
rates.
So
really,
you
know
high
levels,
high
expectations
of
the
future.
N
You
know
20
year
plans
to
make
sure
you're
diverting
70
percent
of
your
material
from
landfill,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
improvements
in
reporting
and
data.
You
know
the
waste
industry
generally
is
has
been
pretty
far
behind
in
that
you
know.
If
you
look
at
wastewater
and
water
treatment,
they've
always
been
ahead.
N
We're
trying
to
catch
up
with
that
and
making
some
using
data
to
make
decisions
you
know
or
before
we
didn't
really
have
the
data
which
is
kind
of
by
eye
and
then
the
lastly,
is
important,
improving
working
conditions,
so
you
know
since
covid
this
is
a
cisco
is
another
big
factor
for
all
this.
This
business
is
being
generated.
Is
that
they're,
having
a
hard
time
finding
people
we're
recognizing
that
working
in
a
trash?
N
You
know
a
lot
of
these
picking
through
trash
at
negative
10
degrees.
You
know
in
the
middle
of
february
isn't
a
pleasant
job
and
it's
not
where
we
want
to
put
our
work
for
so
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
help
those
people
and
improve
those
work
conditions
and
change.
Just
change
change
the
positions
that
those
sorters
have
today,
so
so
many
advancements
you
know
in
single
stream.
Screening
technologies
have
changed.
N
You
know
you.
I
believe
you
have
a
screen.
Currently
it
wraps
after
six
hours
of
running
it
hardly
works
as
a
screen
anymore.
It
works
as
a
conveyor.
Contamination
rates
are
through
the
roof.
After
a
shift,
then
you
have
to
send
somebody
in
with
a
knife
to
try
to
cut
cut
all
the
wrapping
and
all
that
stuff
out
which
is
not
safe
and
it
doesn't
work
well.
N
I
mentioned
earlier
a
lot
of
antiquated
marks
out
there
that
are
just
being
completely
rebuilt
and
rethought
and
there's
a
lot
of
major
investments
going
on
so
connecticut,
murphy,
road
building,
merch
of
chicago
houston,
denver.
You
know
all
new
with
all
this
new
automation
and
new
technology
so
getting
to
cswd.
N
This
is
the
the
footprint
that
we
were
given
to
work
with,
and
this
is
your
site,
and
you
know,
part
of
our
task
was
to
put
a
murph
onto
this
site.
Try
to
avoid
some
wetlands
and
we're
tasked
to
to
work
on
some
traffic
flow
patterns
and
bringing
material
in
so
you
can
see
down
at
the
bottom.
You've
got
that
little
purple
square,
that's
where
trucks
would
come
in
to
to
drop
for
tipping
and
then
on.
The
other
end
of
the
murf
is
where
the
material
all
ends
up.
N
Where
your
bale
storage
is
so
that's
the
way
we
try
to
design.
Everything
is
basically
on
one
side.
You've
got
material
that
comes
in
it
gets
processed
and
goes
to
the
other
end
of
the
murf,
where
you
have
your
shipping,
so
it's
two
different
parts
and
it
helps
with
traffic
flows.
We
see
a
little
bit
better
on
this
on
this
picture.
N
So
they've
asked
for
a
very
adequately
sized
tipping
floors,
12
500
square
feet,
material
gets
loaded,
there
dropped
doing
a
drum
button
to
a
drum
feeder,
with
a
pre-sort
where
they
would
pick
mixed,
rigid
plastics
and
then
a
number
of
different
opticals
and
screen
combinations
to
to
produce
the
fiber
quality
that
they
were
looking
for.
We've
also
got
glass
that
comes
out
at
the
beginning
of
the
system
to
avoid
wear
and
problems
downstream
and
contaminating
other
material.
So
in
this
area
we've
got
a
large
glass
cleanup
system.
N
N
Okay
and
then
down
here,
we've
got
our
our
container
sorting
line,
so
we've
got
optimal,
sorters
for
p
for
number
ones,
number,
twos,
number,
five
and
then
a
recovery
optical
to
recover
anything
that
might
have
been
missed
optical
sorters.
Typically,
your
recovery
percentages
are
anywhere
from
like
90
to
92
percent,
so
this
last
optical
gives
a
chance
to
recirculate
those
missed
commodities.
So
we
maximize
recovery
and
meet
that
95
that
josh
had
talked
about
before.
N
On
the
fiber
side,
there's
we're
making
four
different
types
of
fiber
actually
so
we're
making
an
occ,
which
is
your
large
cardboard,
so
there's
an
entire
bunker
dedicated
to
that
we're,
making
one
bunker
dedicated
to
o
and
p.
So
it's
going
to
be
straight
paper,
an
optical
sorter,
shoots
cardboard
out
of
it
and
the
plastics
out
of
it.
N
Then
we've
got
another
bunker,
that's
going
to
be
called
a
hard
pack,
hard
misc
with
mix
which
is
new
to
the
market.
So
it's
basically
a
50
50
mix
of
cardboard
and
paper
that
is
demanded
by
places
like
pratt
and
certain
mills
and
then
we'll
have
another
bunker
with
small
paper
kind
of
lower
quality.
We'll
call
it
a
mix
that
hopefully
will
be
clean
enough
to
blend
with
the
omp
or
potentially
with
the
hard
pack
markets
since
2018
have
fluctuated
and
changed,
and
that's
why
we're
redesigning
or
rethinking
how
you
know
we're
dealing
with
fiber.
N
N
So,
by
having
these
four
different
bunkers,
you've
got
the
ability
to
blend
and
mix
depending
on
what
the
mills
tell
us
they
want,
so
that
versatility
is
is
huge,
and
that
was
something
that
we
built
into
this
and
we're
building
into
all
of
our
merch
now,
so
you
can
see
on
the
left
hand,
side,
there's,
bail,
storage,
you've
got
the
single
ram.
Baler,
that's
got
the
turn
table
there,
that's
bringing
bales
out
and
then
the
red
baler
down
to
the
south.
That's
the
two
round.
N
Basically,
every
merf
that
we
build,
we
put
a
two
ram
in
that
the
customer
either
buys
or
has,
or
we
buy
and
integrate
into
our
system,
because
the
two
ram
is
really
really
solid
on
containers
and
we
don't
make
a
two
round.
So
that's
that's
the
other
reason.
So
we
partner
with
with
kind
of
partner
with
our
competitors-
I
guess
but
yeah,
that's
that's
very
standard
for
us
and
typical.
N
Another
key
point:
josh
mentioned
a
few
times.
I'm
going
to
mention
down
below
is
that
every
commodity
in
the
plant
can
be
bailed
by
either
baler.
So
if
the
two
ram
is
broken,
the
single
ram
can
take
all
the
material
being
via
reversing
belts.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
here
in
the
middle
there's
a
couple
belts
there
that
can
go
either
way.
N
If
the
single
ramp's
down,
then
the
belts
can
reverse
and
the
two
ramp
can
bail
all
the
paper
and
plastics.
So
there'll
never
be
a
time
unless,
unless
some
miracle
labs
are
both
balers
go
down.
But
for
most
cases
that
shouldn't
happen
and
you
should
be
able
to
operate
at
least
at
some
at
some
capacity,
maybe
not
25
tons
per
hour.
But
you
know
whatever
just
to
keep
material
running
through
the
facility.
N
The
single
ram
baler
is
included
and
that's
hpc
120
that
could
potentially
bail
everything
in
in
the
plant.
But
it's
we
always
want
full
bail
of
redundancy
because,
like
josh
said
earlier,
it's
the
heart
of
the
it's
the
heart
of
the
system.
Without
a
baler,
you
can't
really
do
anything.
So
it's
important.
N
The
glass
cleanup
system
is
state
of
the
art
and
we're
integrating
some
of
your
components
because
you're
already
making
material
for
the
dot.
We
actually
added
some
of
our
own
components
so
that
your
components
work
better.
So
we
built
kind
of
a
hybrid
system
together
that
I
think
is
going
to
work
out
wonderfully
and
then
your
tipping
floor
and
bail
storage
are
more
than
adequate.
N
No
one's
ever
said
their
tipping
floor
was
was
too
big,
but
this
is
this
should
be
really
good
and
be
able
to
handle
the
material
that
you
guys
have
so
system
automation
on
the
onp
or
on
our
we've
got
a
newspaper
screen.
There
is
automated
quality
control
to
remove
browns
and
containers
via
large
optical
sorter,
which
would
was
pretty
much
going
to
alleviate
the
need
for
any
manual
sorters
on
the
paper.
N
You've
got
a
mixed
paper,
that's
sorted
positively
by
an
optical
sorter
for
all
remaining
fiber,
and
when
we
target
something
positive,
it
makes
the
purity
super
high,
as
opposed
to
negatively
trying
to
sort
and
that's
something
that
we've
learned
through
building
of
different
mirrors.
We
talked
about
the
automated
baling.
We
talked
about
the
recovery
optical
there's
a
tool
we
haven't
spoken
about.
It's
called
an
elliptical
or
ballistic
separator,
which
is
a
2d
3d
separator,
and
the
function
of
that
machine
is
before
the
container
line.
N
There's
a
lot
of
plastic
film
textiles
paper
that
we
may
have
missed
that
contaminate
your
container
opticals,
so
it
makes
it
harder
for
the
the
plastics
opticals
to
do
their
job
and
to
meet
that
97
recovery.
We
needed
a
polishing
tool
up
ahead
to
make
sure
that
those
obstacles
could
meet
those
purities
that
were
required,
but
we
also
recognized
that
this
2d
3d
separator
in
the
2d
fraction
there's
going
to
be
paper,
so
we
added
an
optical
sorter
on
that
2d
fraction
for
maximum
recovery
of
paper
and
making
its
own
grid
of
paper.
N
So
I
know
it's
kind
of
confusing,
maybe
a
little
too
technical.
But
you
know
these
tools
are
built
in.
It's
all
pre.
We've
thought
about
this
trying
to
achieve
the
goals
that
that
josh
mentioned
earlier
so
versatility.
All
the
optical
sorters
that
are
going
to
this
plant
can
sort
by
material
and
color.
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
before
about
nar,
there's,
also
the
ability
to
sort
by
color
just
for
future
possibilities.
You
know
you
never
know.
N
N
A
big
one
is
that
third
line,
all
sorters
have
access
to
material
return
for
trash
or
for
other
products,
so
there's
conveyor
belts
that
run
through
the
entire
system,
so
that
sorters
don't
have
to
be
dragging
around
buckets.
I'm
sure
you've
seen
it
before,
where
there's
a
sorter
he's
got
a
bucket
and
it's
overloaded
with
recyclables
or
it's
overloaded
with
trash.
N
There's
going
to
be
none
of
that
in
this
plant,
they're
going
to
have
a
shoot,
they're
going
to
drop
the
trash
on
the
chute
and
the
trash
is
going
to
the
trash
directly
to
the
compactor
or,
if
there's
a
container,
that's
in
the
wrong
place.
You've
got
a
pe
bottle
that
was
shot
out
with
pet
they're,
able
to
take
that
pe
bottle
and
drop
it
down
to
shoot
for
recovery.
It's
going
to
bring
it
back
to
being
in
the
system,
so
it
goes
to
the
right
place.
N
One
other
portion,
you're,
probably
going
to
receive
some
commercial
material
from
different
commercial
accounts
or
different
places.
You've
got
the
ability
to
direct
bail
cardboard,
for
instance,
so
there's
a
space
where
you
can
drop
material,
push
that
cardboard
in
and
it
goes
directly
to
a
baler.
N
Well,
some
of
the
key
benefits
extremely
low
store
count.
You
know,
like
I
said
we
used
to
have
a
one-to-one
rule
where,
if
you're
running
25
tons
per
hour-
and
you
have
25
sorters
you're
doing
well,
you
know
that
was
a
goal
we
tried
to
achieve,
but
not
any
longer.
For
all
those
reasons
I
discussed
before
we're
trying
to
keep
the
sword
accounts
at
around
10
to
12
in
any
plan
and
less
is
better
and
we're
able
to
do
that
with
with
the
additional
automation
and
more
tools.
N
N
So
we've
got
the
less
wrapping
screens,
I
discussed,
get
the
best
obstacle,
sorting
machines
on
the
market,
and
then
these
scada
and
data
analysis
tools
are
they're
still
kind
of
in
production
and
and
being
built.
So
we've
got
like
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
can
see
a
little
like
baylor
account
bail
count
per
hour.
N
These
tools
are
all
built
in
they're
all
set
and
they're
ready
to
go,
but
we're
expanding
and
and
you're
tied
into
that
continual
expansion
like
we
want
to
be
able
to
say
it's
kind
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
before,
there's
something
wrong
with
that
et
optical.
Why
have
it
tell
you
get
a
warning?
You
know
that
type
of
thing
that's
all
being
built
now
and
probably
by
the
time
that
this
plan
gets
installed.
N
A
M
N
Yeah,
so
basically,
if
a
truck
comes
in,
there's
a
space
on
the
floor
inside
the
building
where
they
can
drop
that
material
and
then
you've
got
access
to
the
baylor
feed
line,
so
a
bobcat
will
push
that
material
in
so
cardboard
was
an
example,
but
it
could
be
anything
it
could
be
clean
containers.
It
could
be
high-grade
office
paper
that
you
don't
want
to
run
through
the
system.
It
can
just
bail
because
it's
already
sorted
and
good
enough
for
bailing.
A
B
Excuse
me,
it
resolves
that
the
board
of
commissioners
authorizes
the
executive
director
to
enter
into
contractual
agreement
with
van
dyke
recycling
solutions,
norwalk
connecticut
for
the
purchase
of
a
materials
recovery
facility,
single
stream
recycling
system,
as
described
in
their
initial
and
subsequent
response
to
rfp
number
two:
zero.
Two:
two:
zero
one:
zero
four
for
an
amount
not
to
exceed
sixteen
million
one
hundred
and
thousand
dollars,
purchase
of
which
is
contingent
upon
a
successful
bond
vote
in
november
2022.
I
B
A
I'm
seeing
none
I'm
hearing
none.
I
think
then
we're
ready
for
the
question
and
again
this
is
an
important
vote.
So
I'd
ask
you
to
raise
your
hands
when
at
the
appropriate
time,
and
so
that
amy
can
then
tell
us
that
she's
recorded
all
the
votes
correctly
and
accurately,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
approve
this
purchase
of
the
recycling
equipment
contingent
upon
the
successful
bond
vote
in
november.
Please
raise
your
hand
and
keep
it
high
until
amy
says
it's
she's
got
the
count.
B
A
A
We
are
now
ready
for
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
to
discuss
its
item.
3
e
c.
The
discussion
on
financing-
it's
not
it's
not
ready,
for
there
is
no
action
required,
but
information,
that's
vitally
important,
to
share
with
the
board-
and
I
will
turn
this
over
again
to
sarah
to
begin
this
presentation.
B
Thank
you.
Well
and
yes,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
to
bring
back
to
the
board
and
understanding
of
the
different
assumptions
that
went
into
how
we
looked
at
the
cash
flow
and
just
an
update
on
the
financing
options,
and
there
are
two
discussions.
One
is
for
public
session
and
one
is
for
executive
sessions,
so
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
public
session
items
and
may
defer
some
conversation
to
the
executive
session
as
it
pertains
to
contract
negotiations
that
are
ongoing.
B
So
some
of
the
basic
really
the
basic
place
where
we
started
was
to
prove
to
do
an
analysis
of
what
would
be
the
worst
case
scenario
or
a
worst
case
scenario,
and
right
now
we're
processing.
This
year
we
processed
about
45
000
46
000
times
through
the
the
murph
during
stay-at-home
covert
time.
We
processed
upwards
of
49
000
tons.
So
that
is,
you
know,
kind
of
a
high
high
weather
mark.
Without
doing
any
really
additional.
B
You
know
sourcing
of
more
material,
so
a
worst
case
scenario
would
be
if
we
were
not
able
to
access
the
current,
contractually
obligated
out
of
district
tons
from
casella
and
per
the
current
contract.
They
are
required
to
bring
into
the
willston
where
13
000
tons
of
recyclables
from
out
of
district
sources,
so
out
of
chittenden
county.
B
If,
for
some
reason
we
are
unable
to
come
to
conclude
a
mutually
agreed
point
conclusion
where
they
would
continue
to
provide
those
tons,
we
needed
to
to
look
at
the
numbers
from
what
we
believe
is
a
a
strong
source
of
material
from
within
shipment
county.
So
between
32
35
000
times,
we
feel
comfortable.
That's
what
is
generated
within
cswd
within
the
district.
So
that's
where
we
started
the
or
base
that
analysis
on
and
we
prepared
a
10-year
tenure
analysis.
B
But
it's
really
a
13-year
look,
because
we
start
with
what
we're
calling
a
negative
year,
three
negative,
two
negative
one,
and
that
are
the
three
years
of
construction.
So
we
started
there
because
the
financing
would
kick
in
obviously
with
the
construction,
the
purchase
of
the
equipment.
So
we
wanted
to
include
those
first
three
years
in
the
look
and
then
go
out
ten
years
from
that.
So
it's
ten
years
from
when
we
flip
the
switch
and
and
commissioned
the
new
mark.
But
it
really
is
a
thirteen
year.
B
So
when
we're
looking
at
again
that
35
000
times
worst
case
based
on
on
in
district
material,
we're
also
again
just
for
the
sake
of
consistency,
maintaining
a
same
tip
fee
all
the
way
through
with
one,
except
with
some
exceptions
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
moment
and
the
acr
all
the
way
through
is
the
same.
There's
there's
just
not
I'm
sorry,
that's
not
that's
not
accurate.
Typically,
all
the
way
through
is
accurate.
B
We've
done
a
very
moderate
increase
on
the
acr
going
through
because,
as
the
new
equipment
is,
is
in
place
and
is
running,
the
quality
will
improve.
So
we
are
looking
towards
improved
quality
as
we
go
down
starting
really
in
year,
one
we're
probably
even
year,
two
going
out
further.
It
does
slow
over
time.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
in
kind
of
that.
B
B
You,
know,
put
that
out
there
and
then
let
the
board
know
that
we're
anticipating
an
increase
in
our
residue
rate,
and
that
is
because
the
system
will
more
accurately
sort
the
proper
materials
into
the
proper
bales
right
now
we
we
do
get
some
migration
of
material
that
is
again
making
its
way
into
the
wrong
bale.
That
will
not
be
the
case
when
we
go
forward
into
the
new
system,
so
there
will
be
some
most
likely
additional
material,
such
as
where
I
mentioned
films
styrofoam
things
of
that
nature
that
might
be
escaping
into
the
bills.
B
B
Excuse
me
to
allen's
point
earlier
that
we
will
not
have
the
kind
of
the
standard
single
stream
very
high
residue
rate,
because
the
you
know
our
recyclers
here
in
vermont
do
a
really
good
job,
so
we're
already
starting
from
an
excellent
place
and
then,
as
we
get
closer
to
commissioning
again
we're
ramping
up
that
education,
we've
got
a
new
facility,
a
new
system,
here's
what
it
can
do,
here's
what
we
don't
want
to
do.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
infinitely
harming
the
system.
Please
keep
these
things
out.
B
B
So
another
item
that
were
we
looked
at
was
the
costs
for
process
glass
aggregate
to
decrease
over
time,
and
this
is
important
because
this
is
a
a
fairly
significant
cost
center
for
us
right
now,
the
main
reason
being
that
the
majority,
or
at
least
half
of
our
facility,
the
process
that
portion
of
processes
the
class
is
outdoors.
So
this
new
system
brings
all
of
the
glass
processing
indoors,
we'll
be
able
to
consistently
make
that
pga
quality
or
even
up
to
the
sandbar
equality,
which
is
the
goal
year
round.
B
So
as
we're
able
to
do
that,
then
the
cost
to
transport,
to
clean,
etc,
will
steadily
go
down
and
that
will
be
an
immediate
effect,
really
kicking
in
quite
heavily
in
year.
Two
and
then
again
going
down
years.
You
know
in
the
out
years
three
to
ten,
so
you'll
see
that
in
the
spreadsheet
provided
for
executive
session,
but
that
is
a
that's
a
big
big
win
for
us,
and
that
is
immediate
as
soon
as
it's
undercover
that
switches
over
to
a
much
higher
quality,
more
consistent
quality
all
year
round.
B
So
in
meeting
with
paul
and
leslie
this
week,
leslie
had
a
good
suggestion
of
running
another
scenario
with
the
bond
bank
to
say:
well,
can
we
do
kind
of
interest-free
interest
holiday,
tax
holiday
of
five
years,
just
paying
the
interest
and
not
the
principal?
And
then
you
know
to
kind
of
preserve
some
cash
in
the
first
initial
five
years
and
then
you
know
backload
the
rest
of
it,
and
I
did
ask
for
that
new
schedule
from
the
bond
bank.
B
I
did
not
receive
it
in
time,
for
I
just
haven't
received
it
at
all,
yet
so
he's
probably
working
on
it.
So
I
don't
have
those
specific
answers,
but
I
we
did
run
a
similar
scenario
based
on
previous
schedule
that
were
sent
to
us
by
the
bomb
bank.
So
essentially
the
question
was:
can
we
preserve
some
cash
on
hand?
B
B
The
initial
look
is
that
it
does
cost
us
more
over
the
course
of
the
25
years
repayment
to
do
the
interest,
only
five
for
five
years,
with
the
bomb
bank
and
22
million.
So
you
know
we.
It
does
benefit
us
to
take
advantage
of
the
closed
observation
loan
and
then
to
have
that
principle
from
the
bond
bank
be
lower
over
time.
B
B
B
Those
costs
combined
with
the
debt
service
payment,
will
put
us
in
the
red
for
the
first
few
years,
so
we
would
tap
into
draw
down
on
that
sinking
fund
for
the
first
several
years,
three
to
four
no
more
than
four
years,
and
then
at
that
point
the
idea
of
the
sinking
fund
would
be
to
match
the
the
sinking
fund
to
the
next
year's
principal
and
debt
payment.
So
each
year
the
sinking
fund
goes
down
a
little
bit,
but
it
will
match
that
next
year's
obligation.
So
we're
always
covering
the
next
year's
obligation.
B
That
kind
of
gets
at
commissioner
perry's
question
about
you
know
is:
is
there
any
sense
or
an
intention
of
you
know
having
to
send
a
bill
to
our
member
communities
and
that's
how
we
would
guard
against?
That
would
be
to
always
be
forecasting
and
budgeting
and
having
in
that
sinking
fund
the
amount
that
we
would
need
for
next
year
and
as
we
pay
the
next
year,
the
obligation
goes
down
a
little
bit
more
and
it
will
shrink
over
time
as
we
pay
down
the
obligations.
B
B
So
those
are
those
are
kind
of
the
high
points
that
I
would
want
to
review
for
how
we're
looking
at
the
cash
flow
in
public
session
again
we'll
get
into
a
few
more
additional
details,
pertinent
to
contract
negotiations
in
executive
session.
Now
the
questions
about
the
assumptions
before
I
touch
on
a
little
bit
more
on
the
finance
and
I've
already
kind
of
talked
a
little
bit
about.
D
B
B
Obviously,
are
you
that
we
would
need
to
be
prepared
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
contribution,
recycling,
partnership
grant
and
there's
an
asterisk
next
to
cswd
contribution,
because
there
is
an
opportunity
to
seek
funding
from
the
epa
through
the
federal
infrastructure
grant,
and
when
that
is
available
for
solid
waste
and
recycling
infrastructure,
they
have
not
released
their
their
rfp
process,
their
grant
application
process.
Yet
so
we
do
not
know
what
those
parameters
will
look
like
that
should
come
out
in
september,
so
it
just
wasn't
in
time
for
this
discussion.
B
We
will
certainly
apply
for
a
grant
to
those
funds
to
that
infrastructure
fund.
This
first
year
is
different
than
the
next
four
years
following,
so
the
grant
is
a
five
years.
Five
year
opportunity
the
first
year
they
are
required
to
dedicate
40
percent
of
the
funds
available
to
environmental
justice
projects
related
to
recycling
and
to
underserved
communities,
particularly
in
urban
areas.
So
it
does
reduce
the
potential
amount
that
would
be
available
for
programs
outside
of
that
that
condition.
B
However,
that
is
at
this
point
only
in
year
one.
So
there
would
be
more
funds
available
in
year
two.
So
if
we
are
not
successful
in
year,
one
we
would
apply
again
in
year
two,
but
in
the
near
term
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
in
the
capital
reserve,
we
do
have
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
available.
Should
we
need
to
access
cash
on
hands,
then
we'll
stop
sharing
here
and
ask
a
fair
questions
about
that.
A
A
And
just
to
point
out
that
why
we're
doing
this
in
two
ways,
we
certainly
have
an
obligation
to
inform
the
public
of
what
we're
trying
to
do.
But,
as
faris
pointed
out,
there's
still
some
sensitive
aspects
of
this
that
do
need
to
be
discussed
in
in
executive
session.
But
that's
really
the
reason
for
this
two-part
presentation.
A
J
Sure
I
move
that
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
chittenden
solid
waste
district
go
into
executive
session
to
discuss
contract
negotiations
with
respect
to
the
materials
recovery
facility,
where
premature,
general,
public
knowledge
could
would
clearly
place
the
district,
its
member
municipalities
and
other
public
bodies
or
persons
involved
at
a
substantial
disadvantage
and
to
permit
authorized
staff
and
the
solid
waste
district
attorneys
to
be
present.
For
this
session.
E
A
A
A
I
appreciate
both
both
of
those
commissioners
to
step
up
and
and
participate
in
this
very
important
and
critical
aspect
of
board
governance,
and
I
think
we
have
a
very
strong
team
going
forward
with
the
with
leslie
continuing
as
chair
and
his
treasurer.
So
thank
you
again
to
all
three
of
you
for
for
agreeing
to
serve
and
then
sarah
you
want
to
just
update
us
on
calendar
for
for
august.
I
believe
yeah.
B
I
just
want
to
make
note,
and
it
was
included
on
the
annual
organizational
calendar,
the
main
calendar
when
we
publish
it
back
in
june,
but
that
the
executive
board
will
meet
on
the
eighth
of
august.
So
we'll
not
be
meeting
on
the
15th.
Just
making
sure
that
everyone
is
is
aware
of
that
that
change
in
the
calendar
at
the
same
time
just
different
day.