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Burlington City Council 10/17/22 Agenda
00:00:00 Agenda
00:03:48 Redistricting Update and Presentation
00:36:49 Public Forum
00:54:53 Communication re: CityPlace Update
01:21:51 Executive Session
01:24:52 Climate Emergency Reports
01:29:33 Consent Agenda
01:30:03 Local Control Commission Meeting
01:31:01 Liquor License: Cafe Dim Sum
01:33:35 City Council - Mayor Presiding
01:34:07 Consent Agenda
01:34:53 Appointment: Airport Commission
01:49:38 Appointment: Board for Registration of Voters
01:55:08 Tobacco License: Vermont Hemp Craft
01:57:48 Appointment: Winooski Valley Park District
02:00:26 Railyard Enterprise Project - Alt Selection
02:17:53 Ordinance: Min and Max Parking Requirements
02:20:19 Orlando's Outdoor Entertainment Permit
02:30:15 Adjourn
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A
A
It
was
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
us
to
see
what's
going
on
on
this
front,
not
not
just
because
we're
of
course
concerned
about
emissions,
but
we're
also
concerned
the
other
side
of
the
equation
in
our
climate
emergency,
which
is
investing
in
projects
that
are
high
on
impact
and
low
on
cost,
and
that's
what
we
saw
today.
So
thanks
so
much
to
Zoe
Richards
who's,
the
chair
of
the
Burlington
conservation
board,
Parks
and
Rec
Department.
B
A
C
A
C
A
D
A
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
item
number
two,
which
is
a
redistricting
update
and
presentation
for
this
update.
I'll
turn
to
councilor
Barlow,
who,
together
with
counselors
Hightower,
McGee
and
Travers,
have
been
working
as
a
small
group
to
forge
a
consensus
on
this
wonderful
topic
of
redistricting
councilor
Barlow.
Thank.
E
You
president
Paul,
the
the
redistricting
group
met
on
September,
21st
and
then
again
on
October
3rd
and
the
trajectory
of
our
discussions
over
those
two
meetings
has
been
in
the
direction
of
an
eight
Ward
map,
as
it
can
best
achieve
some
of
the
objectives
identified
by
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
some
of
the
public
process.
That's
gone
on
around
redistricting,
including
keeping
the
new
North
End
and
Old
North
End
separate.
E
F
F
As
councilor
Barlow
said,
I'm
I'm
here
to
present
on
these
options,
I
did
have
a
short
presentation.
Councilor
Barlow
covered
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
go
through
so
I'll
try
to
make
it
quick,
I'm,
hoping
that
with
this
meeting,
I
can
answer
any
questions.
I
can
answer
here
and
then
also
collect
questions
to
bring
back
answers
next
week.
I
think
was
the
plan,
so
first
off
I
just
want
to
talk
through
what
the
working
group
did.
F
If
you
want
more
information,
you
can
go
to
the
redistricting
site
on
the
Burlington
website.
The
fir
there
were
two
meetings.
The
first
meeting
was
a
general
overview
of
the
combinations
of
wards
and
counselors
the
sort
of
pros
and
cons
of
each
of
those
options
and
going
over
what
priorities
had
come
up
over
the
past
year
of
working
on
on
this
problem
and
then
on
October
3rd.
We
looked
through
the
the
four
eight
word
options.
F
So
this
is
a
slide
from
the
first
meeting,
just
laying
out
the
different
options
that
had
been
discussed
at
city
council
up
until
that
point
and
then
I
put
together
this
Matrix,
the
colors
don't
show
great
on
that
screen.
The
idea
is
to
put
all
of
the
different
combinations
of
counselors
and
Wards
in
one
place
and
compare
them
to
the
various
priorities
that
have
been
put
forth.
F
F
You
might
have
a
slightly
different
feeling
about
how
the
ward
or
how
the
maps
should
fit,
but
this
was
just
a
way
to
talk
through
the
different
options
that
had
been
discussed
and
as
councilor
Barlow
said,
the
counselors
in
the
working
group
decided
that
an
eight
Ward
map
was
the
most
feasible
so
for
the
next
meeting,
I
brought
in
four
different
options
for
an
eightward
map.
As
I
was
working
through
them.
It
became
clear
that
there
weren't
as
many
variations
that
seemed
reasonable,
so
these
maps
are
actually
all
fairly
similar.
F
For
example,
the
new
North
End
doesn't
change
at
all
in
any
of
them.
It's
the
boundaries
are
quite
close
to
what
they
currently
are
and
it's
you
know
it's
right
along
North
Ave,
so
they
felt
pretty
set
and
then
for
each
of
the
options.
I
shifted
students
from
the
athletic
campus
from
Ward
6
into
Ward
one
and
that
changed
the
boundaries
of
the
other
wards.
F
So
the
four
options
we
looked
at
are
here
and
it
from
Ward
one
word:
one:
there's
no
athletic
campus
students
are
an
option,
one
there's
no
athletic
campus
students
in
Ward
one
and
then
option
four.
The
entire
athletic
campus
is
is
in
Ward
one,
so
they
sort
of
shift
over
and
from
these
four,
the
two
middle
options
work
sort
of
decided
on
us,
the
most
feasible
these
next
two
slides
just
show
what
the
full
map
would
look
like
with
the
population
for
option
two
and
option
three.
F
As
councilor
Barlow
said,
there
isn't
a
slightly
different
version
of
option:
three,
where
you
can
grab
admins
from
Ward
8
and
keep
it
in
Ward
6..
If
that's
something
that's
important
and
then
the
last
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
was
just
how
the
students
were
divided
between
the
awards.
So
you
can
see
option
three
makes
both
Ward
6
and
Ward
one
about
half
on-campus
students.
Again
this
we
does.
It
doesn't
account
for
off-campus
students,
which
we
don't
have
very
precise
data
on.
F
So
that
is
the
whole
presentation
of
what
the
working
group
did
and
so
now
we're
at
this
point
where
these
are
the
two
options.
I
would
welcome
any
questions,
but
also
suggestions
for
variations.
You'd
like
to
see
too
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
other
possible
award
maps
and
so
I'm
curious.
What
you'd
like
to
be
different
about
these.
B
One
is
the
one
who's
losing
on
all
of
those
fronts,
so
they
felt
very
strongly
that
the
historical
character
of
the
of
the
old
East
End
is
east
of
Willard
and
north
of
Main
Street
and,
to
the
extent
possible
that
that
be
maintained.
So
I
got
a
lot
of
feedback
at
the
NPA.
That
folks
did
not
love
any
of
the
maps.
A
Thanks
counselor
Hightower,
as
as
Nancy
has
said,
this
is
really
what
we
hope
will
be
the
second
to
last
opportunity.
We
will
have
a
work
session
on
this
at
the
next
meeting
if
there
are
concerns
or
if
there
are
other
maps
that
need
to
be
brought
forward.
Now
would
be
the
time
to
try
to
address
those
so
that
there's
time
to
get
that
together
for
the
work
session,
counselor
Shannon.
G
B
B
G
B
And
I
and
again
that's
I
think
there's
been
two
concerns.
One
of
them,
I
brought
up
in
terms
of
voting
turnout
is
again
because
it's
that
that
is
the
single
family
block.
That
is
also
the
most
vocal
kind
of
constituency
Base
that
Ward
one
has,
and
so
that
specifically
would
be
getting
lost
and
that's
the
highest
voter
turnout
area
of
the
sex
City.
C
I'm
sad
about
that,
even
though
Ward
2
would
go
up,
it
makes
it
more
difficult,
so
I
guess
in
terms
of
help.
Perhaps
there
is
an
eight
word
variation
that
could
look
at
a
map
that
would
divide
around
North
Street,
and
maybe
it
would
even
take
both
sides
of
North
Street
to
keep
it
in
Ward
one
and
then
I,
don't
know
where
the
other.
You
know
the
the
balloon
needs
to
then
move
somewhere
else.
C
C
C
That's
just
my
you
know
my
my
opinion,
based
on
looking
at
case
law
over
a
long
time,
but
I'm,
not
your
attorney,
so
that
you
know
something
that
would
not
move
so
much
but
might
be
able
to
accommodate
some
of
this
balloon.
Making
that
bubble.
That
you're
create
with
the
balloon
just
a
little
bit
smaller.
But
if
you
know
what
I
mean
on
that.
C
C
I
can
I
I
read
it
as
us
having
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
than
it
being
an
ironclad
line
and
I
think
we
can,
based
on
the
conversation
and
based
on
the
needs
of
the
people,
which
is
not
about
a
discriminatory
action
very
valid
in
terms
of
keeping
the
Integrity
of
neighborhoods
and
being
clear
about
historic
lines
and
all
the
other
criteria.
There
I
think
that
we
can
do
that.
E
Thank
you,
president
Paul,
during
the
working
group,
second
working
group
session,
or
are
we
we
talked
about
you
know,
what's
possible
within
the
overall
plan.
Deviation
of
10
and
one
of
the
challenges
with
an
award
map
is
that
Ward
one
is
a
seventh
of
of
the
city,
so
something
has
to
come
from
Ward
one
and
go
somewhere,
and
we
talked
about
that
specific
neighborhood
on
the
councilor.
E
Hightower
talked
about
being
on
displeased
with
these
maps
about,
and
we
talked
about
trying
to
keep
them
intact
and
not
carve
that
neighborhood
though
that
particular
North
part
of,
is
it
the
north.
Is
the
West
part
essentially
of
Ward
one
we're
trying
to
keep
trying
to
keep
that
intact.
So
I,
don't
know.
If
we
can
I
mean
I
would
like
to
hear
more
about
our
ability
to.
E
F
H
Well,
to
me,
I
think
Nancy
sort
of
identified
one
of
the
issues
there,
which
is
you
know
what
do
we
do
with
the
athletic
campus?
What
do
we
do
with
the
other
dorms?
It
seems
like
very
early
on
in
this
process.
We
identified
a
desire
to
basically
more
fairly
and
more
equitably
divide
the
student
population
between
Wards
and
for
us
to
do
away
with
the
so-called
student
Ward,
which
is
the
salamander
Ward
8,
as
it's
called
a
certain
reality
to.
H
H
But
I
do
think
and
I
do
appreciate
that
in
the
options
that
you
have
there,
that
when
we
look
at
geographically
where
the
dorms
are,
if
we're
looking
to
get
rid
of
Ward
8
as
it
exists
now,
some
of
those
dorms
are
going
to
have
to
be
in
Ward
one
and
some
of
those
dorms
are
going
to
have
to
be
in
ward
6.
and
the
reality
of
that
is
that
both
of
those
Wards
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
maintain
the
same
historical
boundaries
that
they've
had.
H
So
if
folks
interests
are
more
so
in
maintaining
historical
boundaries
of
the
wards,
then
I
think
a
certain
reality
of
that
is
that
we're
back
to
considering
maintaining
a
student
Ward
so
to
speak
and
and
what
are
the
boundaries
of
that
I?
Don't
have
the
answer
to
that.
But
but
if
counselors
are
going
to
prioritize
maintaining
historical
boundaries,
then
then
I
do
think
that
that's
a
reality
of
all
this,
which
is
that
one
of
our
eight
Wards
is
going
to
have
to
maintain
a
student
population
similar
to
war.
H
Data
is
right
now
and
from
the
very
beginning
we
were
saying:
that's
not
something
we
wanted
to
do
so.
I
I
know
this,
isn't
our
work
session
necessarily,
but
but
I
do
want
to
posit
that
for
folks
to
think
about
and
Nancy
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that,
but
or
if
you
could
speak
to
sort
of
how
large
these
student
census
blocks
are
and
the
complications
that
it's
presented
for
you
as
you've
been
drawing
these
different
versions
of
the
eightward
map.
F
I
mean
sure
what
I
can
say
is
that
the
entire
student
population,
in
that
southern
sort
of
south
of
Main,
Street,
campus,
Redstone
and
athletic,
is
like
4
400
students
and
we're
looking
at
a
total
population
of
five
thousand
five
hundred,
so
I
mean
so
like.
Yes,
we
could
put
them
all
in
a
war
together,
it
would
be
a
student
award,
it's
very
similar
to
warning
I.
Think
so.
B
Yeah
and
sorry
to
speak
again,
I
just
know
that
this
is
drastically
different
from
what
we've
talked
about
in
the
past.
Given
the
feedback
that
I
was
given,
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
version
just
because
the
the
versions
that
we're
looking
at
give
so
little
of
the
student
population
to
Ward
eight
and
that's
not
a
huge
concern
award
one.
B
That's
part
of
the
discussion,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
asked
was,
if
we're
getting
more
of
the
on-campus
students
and
losing
some
more
of
the
historic,
the
least
we
want
the
council
to
do
is
to
really
think
about
how
to
make
UVM
be
a
better
neighbor.
So
I'm
just
saying
that
some
of
the
other
counselors
can
can
hear
that.
I
G
You
so
it
did.
I
did
misunderstand
the
map
and
counselors
counselor
hightower's.
Clarification
of
that
is
helping
me
understand
what
the
what
the
issue
is
in
in
Ward.
One
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
fair
criticism.
I
I,
don't
think
that
as
we
go
through
redistricting,
everybody
can
expect
to
be
in
the
same
ward
and
they
get
attached
to
the
number
of
their
Ward
and
I.
G
Don't
think
that
that's
what's
really
important
when
we,
you
know,
take
a
step
back
and
look
more
globally
at
our
redistricting
Max,
but
I
do
think
that
that
what
Nancy
just
said
about
you
know
the
number
of
students
versus
the
size
of
the
entire
Ward,
and
particularly
the
the
dorms,
are
very
low
voter
turnout.
They've,
you
know
they've
just
arrived
on
campus
they're,
also
not
really
able
to
run
for
office,
because
they're
they're
not
going
to
be
staying
where
they
are
very
long.
It
becomes
difficult
to
fill.
G
You
know,
there's
a
disparity
there,
I
wonder
when
these
maps
are
created
is
was
there
I,
don't
see
what
the
population
per
Ward
is
here,
but
it
makes
sense
for
those
student
words
to
be
on
the
larger
side
compared
with
oh
there
you
have
it.
Okay,
so
I
would
think
that
there
would
be
an
advantage
to
having
you
know
one
and
six
be
on
the
larger
side
of
the
wards,
because
they
are
trying
to
absorb
this
on-campus
student
population
and
so.
G
F
Last
Point
briefly
I
I.
The
one
thing
I
would
like
to
point
out
is
that
the
it's
difficult
to
precisely
move
people
because
they're
moving
in
blocks-
and
so
you
can
see
the
largest
Ward
and
the
smallest
Ward
are.
The
difference
is
only
about
600
people
and
there's
plenty
of
blocks
that
are
that
large,
so
making
you
know
we
could
put
a
few.
You
know
another
100
or
200
people
in
Word
six
to
make
it
a
slightly
larger
Ward.
J
Thank
you
thanks
Nancy
for
so
many
different
iterations
of
these
award.
Maps
I
really
appreciate.
What's
gotten
us
to
this
point
and
the
effort
that's
gone
into,
trying
to
address
all
of
the
concerns
that
people
have
with
any
number
of
these
Maps
and
I
certainly
hear
the
concerns
that
councilor
hightower's
constituents
have
shared
about
no
longer
being
part
of
Ward.
J
One
and
I
think
I'll
take
some
credit
or
blame
for
getting
us
to
this
eight
Ward
conversation,
because
many
of
my
constituents
reached
out
to
me
being
concerned
that
they
would
no
longer
be
part
of
the
old
North
End
by
being
grouped
into
either
word
four
Ward
seven.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
that's
if
we
make
this
effort
to
address
the
concerns
of
one
neighborhood
I
will
have
constituents
of
my
own
that
will
reach
out
about
that.
So
that's
all
I
have
for
right
now.
Thank
you.
A
K
A
E
A
K
I
mean
I
think
the
concern
here
is
every
single
time
it
changes
and
it
changes.
It
is
changing
because
consulate
Hightower
brought
it
to
her
constituents.
There
are
many
other
concerns
who
do
not
even
have
any
idea.
This
is
taking
place
and,
from
my
perspective,
it
should
be.
The
working
group
should
look
into
that
as
well.
A
A
B
I
mean
I
think
oh,
my
gosh
I
do
I,
guess
wondering
if
a
seven
Ward
map
is
still
on
the
table,
I
think
more
so
than
looking
at
iterations
and
I.
Think
looking
at
an
eight
Ward
map
that
maybe
tries
to
put
part
of
athletic
campus
into
Ward
8,
so
that
Ward
one
can
retain
as
much
of
its
since
1960
something
historical
boundaries
as
possible
to
go
to
Willard.
E
B
A
Well,
I
hope
this
was
productive
for
you
and
getting
ready
for
next
week's
meeting
the
as
I
said.
The
goal
will
be
to
try,
through
a
work
session,
to
come
to
a
consensus
on
redistricting,
giving
the
timelines
for
it
to
go
to
Charter
change
and
then
come
back
and
be
on
the
ballot
for
child
meeting
day.
A
We're
we're
getting
close
to
when
we
really
need
to
make
a
decision
and
I
just
want
to
thank
the
members
of
the
working
group
and
thank
you
Nancy,
so
much
for
all
that
you've
done
we'll
we'll
make
every
effort
at
our
next
meeting
to
to
get
to
and
to
get
to
the
end
game.
If
we
can,
with
that,
we
will
it's
now
about
7
25.
A
We
can
close
this
item
and
go
on
to
item
3.01,
which
is
the
public
forum.
We'll
start
a
couple
of
minutes
early.
We
do
not.
Actually
we
do
have
someone
who
just
signed
up
for
the
public
forum
online
before
we
begin
public
forum.
Just
a
few
pieces
of
information.
The
table
in
front
of
us
has
three:
has
green,
has
three
lights?
The
green
light
will
shine
when
you
begin
speaking,
the
second,
which
is
a
yellow
light
when
you
have
30
seconds
left
and
the
last
is
a
red
light.
A
When
we
ask
that
you
wrap
up
your
comments,
if
you're
in
the
middle
of
a
sentence
of
course
complete
it,
but
then
please
close
your
remarks
so
that
we
give
everyone
the
same
amount
of
time,
there's
a
hybrid
system
for
public
forum.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
you
can
go
to
Brewing
if
you're
online,
if
you're
on
Zoom,
you
can
go
to
burlingtonvt.gov
public
forum
fill
out
a
form
that
will
populate
and
the
form
the
the
popular
the
the
the
blanks.
A
The
only
request
that
we
make
is
that
you
use
respectful
language,
please
your
direct
your
comments
to
me
as
the
chair
and
not
to
anyone
else
at
this
table,
and
please
do
not
personalize
your
comments.
We
really
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
and
it's
a
lot
easier
to
listen
when
you
use
respectful
language
with
that
we'll
go
to
public
forum.
There
are
two
people
in
contrace
who
are
Burlington
residents
who
would
like
to
speak.
The
first
is
Robert
Bristow
Johnson
and
the
second
is
Lee
Moore
Morgan
hi
Robert
welcome.
M
So
this
is
about
the
topic
that
we
just
finished
talking
about
I'm,
going
to
push
a
little
bit
in
the
other
direction.
So
there
is
a
map
and
it's
a
item
631,
it's
an
eight
Ward
map.
Any
eight
Ward
map
can
keep
the
new
North
End
in
the
new
North
End
Wards
in
the
new
North
End.
That's
because
24
of
the
city
lives
north
of
the
Yankee
medical
building,
all
right,
but
you
can
do
more
with
an
eight
Ward
map.
N
M
North
End
Wards
of
the
new
North
End
and
keeps
the
old
North
End
Wards
in
the
old
North
End.
You
can
have
an
aortic
map
that
has
a
nice
clean
line
down
the
entirety
of
Pearl
Street,
but
the
price
you
pay.
The
problem
is
that
none
of
these
maps
are
easy
and
we're
figuring
that
out
the
price
that
you
have
to
pay
for.
You
could
also
keep
that
neighborhood
in
Ward
one
together,
but
the
price
you
pay
is
you
have
to
move
that
entire
neighborhood
into
ward
two,
but
this
map
solves
lots
of
problems.
M
It
solves
the
the
equal
division
of
the
student
population
between
Awards
one
and
six.
It
keeps
the
old
North
End
Wards
in
the
old
North
End.
It
has
a
downtown
Ward
with
an
identifiable
identity.
I
guess
it
puts
a
lot
of
students
in
that
downtown
award.
It
puts
the
entirety
of
the
Champlain
College
into
the
ward
8
the
downtown
award.
It
puts
the
Buell
Bradley
neighborhood
into
the
downtown
Ward.
It
puts
that
Williams
and
Willard
little
block.
That's
solid
students,
of
course,
into
the
downtown
Ward.
M
O
My
name
is
Lee
Morgan
I'm,
a
resident
of
Ward
7..
As
most
of
you
know,
there
have
been
multiple
recent
events
of
transphobia
in
Burlington
and
in
other
Vermont
cities
and
towns.
I
have
been
trans
non-binary.
My
entire
life
growing
up
trans
is
difficult,
even
with
tremendous
support.
Without
support
and
acceptance,
it
can
be
downright
dangerous,
as
was
my
experience.
O
I
moved
to
Burlington
solely
because
of
how
I
felt
visiting
for
the
first
time
from
out
of
town
for
a
job
interview
coming
from
a
very
conservative
area,
I
made
my
decision
to
move
to
Burlington
between
the
time
it
took
to
walk
from
the
parking
garage
to
my
interview.
I
will
always
love
Burlington
for
giving
me
back
a
part
of
myself.
I
lost
a
long
time
ago
for
the
record.
O
I
could
first
put
in
put
into
words
my
feelings
about
my
gender
when
I
was
five
years
old
32
years
later,
those
feelings
have
not
changed
at
all.
Here's.
What
I'm
asking
from
you
tonight,
I'm
asking
the
council,
along
with
mayor,
Weinberger,
to
recognize
at
the
city
level,
the
national
transgender
day
of
visibility
on
March
31st
I'm,
asking
you
to
reach
out
to
your
constituents
with
your
solidarity
and
provide
contact
information
for
Trans
support
organizations,
I'm
asking
that
when
transphobia
arises
address
it.
O
I
do
just
want
to
quickly
recognize
councilor
Carpenter,
who
did
just
that
I
think
was
back
in
the
summertime.
Those
transphobic
stickers
pop
back
up
in
the
new
North
End
and
by
various
Outlets
counselor
Carpenter
addressed
that
made
it
very
clear
that
that
is
not
who
the
new
North
End
is,
and
it's
not
who
she
is
and
offered
support
to
trans
people
who
needed
to
reach
out
and
also
kind
of
started
citizens
organizing
to
safely
remove
the
stickers
and
that
made
us
feel
safe
and
heard,
and
that
matters
thanks.
A
P
P
We
have
a
TDM
plan
and
and
we're
we
invest
very
heavily
in
bike,
supporting
bike
and
bike
path
connections,
but
the
reality
is
people
who
don't
drive
their
cars
still
own
them
and
when
they're
not
driving
them,
they
got
a
park,
and
so
I
would
like
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
further
about
us,
maybe
being
in
the
shared
use
district
and
why
we
think
that
we're
ought
to
be
treated
differently
than
in
a
in
a
designated
downtown.
Where
there's
significant
amount
of
public.
You
know
parking
available,
we
are
making
an
effort.
P
We
build
like
73
percent
of
our
parking
and
structured
spaces
so
that,
ultimately,
if
we
can
reclaim
our
surface
spaces,
not
only
do
we
reduce
our
overall
lot
coverage
but
I
think
in
the
in
the
in
the
long
run.
This
is
a
generational
change,
getting
people
to
to
get
out
of
their
cars
to
something
totally
different,
to
give
to
get
them
to
give
them
up
and
we're.
P
D
Hello
good
evening,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
I'm
going
to
speak
about
the
rail
yard
Enterprise
project,
so
my
name
is
Nick
and
I'm.
A
co-owner
of
rail
yard
apothecary
we're
a
worker-owned
co-op,
it's
located
in
the
part
of
the
building
that
would
be
removed
for
the
rail
yard,
Enterprise
project,
our
business
started
in
2016..
D
We
have
five
worker
owners.
In
addition
to
three
part-time
staff.
We
are
a
hub
for
our
local
herbalism
community.
We
sell
retail
herbs,
offer
herbal
consultations
and
teach
classes
about
herbalism.
We
carry
almost
200
medicinal
herbs,
such
as
chamomile
lavender
and
peppermint.
We
Source
many
of
our
herbs
from
Vermont
Growers,
including
two
in
Burlington
and
eight
others.
D
Our
four
clinical
office
rooms
serve
as
a
space
for
Herbal
consultations.
We
also
provide
space
to
five
other
practitioners
serving
our
community,
including
a
naturopathic
doctor,
acupuncturist
nutritionist
and
two
massage
therapists
are
3.
600
square
feet
includes
a
750
square
foot
Studio
space
that
we
use
for
Herbal
education.
We
also
share
that
space
with
three
yoga
teachers,
including
an
aerial
yoga
teacher,
an.
Q
D
Yoga
teacher
who
utilizes
our
unusual
extra
tall
ceilings,
our
business
is
multifaceted
and
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
relocate
for
at
least
a
couple
years.
We've
heard
about
the
rail
yard
Enterprise
project
and
have
seen
images
of
plans
showing
the
new
road
going
directly
in
front
of
the
building.
I
was
interviewed
on
the
local
news
on
the
local
news,
saying
I
supported
the
project
because
it
would
bring
visibility
to
our
out
of
the
way
location
in
early
September.
D
Public
plans
were
presented,
showing
a
brand
new
set
of
options,
all
of
which
involve
removing
our
part
of
the
building
along
with
qriket
radio
next
door.
No
one
from
the
city
reached
out
to
us
about
this
I
happened
to
talk
to
someone
passing
by
doing
a
walking
tour
of
the
project.
My
strong
preference
would
be
to
keep
the
original
plan.
The
building
is
spared
and
we
get
a
road
passing
by
I
also
strongly
feel
that
a
road
should
be
built
to
divert
traffic
from
the
King
Street
neighborhood.
D
A
A
While
that's
going
on
the
three
people
that
are
that
are
in
the
queue
to
speak,
online
are
first
Barbara
Hedrick
to
be
followed
by
Sharon
butcher
looks
like,
and
it
looks
like
now.
I
can
do
that.
So
with
that
call
on
Barbara,
Hedrick
I've
enabled
your
microphone
Barber,
so
you
should
be
able
to
speak.
R
Only
beginning
in
2013,
with
the
creation
of
this
salamander
award
did
Ward
one
not
include
the
athletic
campus
dorms
reverting
to
maps
that
includes
some
of
the
athletic
campus
in
Ward.
8
is
very
problematic
because
the
Main,
Street
and
Maple
Street
Corridor
is
extremely
dense
with
off-campus
students.
R
Instead,
I'd
like
to
suggest
police
that
Nancy
and
the
other
people
in
the
working
group
create
suggest
having
a
cohesive
new
ward
of
the
new
of
the
North
Hill
section,
neighborhood
bounded
by
Mansfield,
Union,
Maine
and
Archibald.
The
independent
mapping
groups,
eight
Ward
option
F2
map.
Does
this
and
accomplishes
most
of
your
listed
goals.
R
R
A
Q
Q
But
the
other
factor
that
keeps
getting
circumvented
is
that
in
the
in
the
only
report
that
I
ever
received
when
I
was
on
the
city
council-
and
it
was
right
before
I
left
the
city
council,
it
stated
that
most
off
campus
students
live
in
Ward
one.
There
had
been
a
big
shift,
and
that
is
where
most
live
and
I
can
attest.
I
I:
don't
that
when
I
campaigned
in
2020
there
was
a
revolving
door
and
the
renters
were
no
longer
long-term
renters.
Q
Q
So,
if
you
take
the
dorms
and
the
off-campus
students,
I
think
what
you've
done
is
switch
the
impact
from
Ward
8
to
Ward,
one
and
I.
Don't
think
that
was
the
intent
I
think
to
ignore
the
fact
that
you,
you
have
to
address
how
many
people
live
off
campus
to
the
best
of
your
ability,
and
there
was
a
report
that
was
generated
and
at
least
referred
to
that
as
you
move
forward.
I
very
much
appreciate
your
time.
This
is
tough
stuff
and
thanks
for
listening.
A
Thank
you.
Our
last
speaker
is
Who's
online
is
Dan
Castro,
John,
castrojano,
Dan
I'm,
not
sure
from
the
way
that
you
filled
out
the
form.
If
you
wanted
to
speak
during
public
forum,
I
know
that
you're
an
applicant
for
a
commission
appointment.
If
you
wanted
to
speak
at
that
time
or
if
you
would
like
to
speak
now,.
S
S
A
You'll
have
that
time
the
the
the
position
that
you've
applied
for
is
under
the
city
council
with
mayor
presiding.
That
won't
be.
That
won't
happen
for
some
time,
but
you
will
certainly
have
an
opportunity,
then
to
speak
to
the
council.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
sure
with
that
and
with
no
other
speakers
in
contos
or
online,
we
will
close
the
we
will
close
the
public
forum
and
move
on
to
item
four,
which
is
a
communication
regarding
CityPlace.
A
There
are
two
items
as
part
of
this
agenda
item.
The
first
is
a
Public
Presentation
from
CityPlace
Partners
on
this
long-awaited
project
and
I
understand
we
have
and
I
can
see
that
we
have
cedo
director
Brian
Pine
with
us,
with
look
to
you
Brian,
if
you'd
like
to
tee
this
off
or
if
you
want
to
hand
the
floor
to
the
city,
place
partners,
foreign.
T
T
I
want
to
note
that
the
city
team
working
on
this
project,
which
is
a
sizable
team,
we
have
members
of
it
here-
David
White,
Brian
Pine,
our
CEO
director
and
Tim
Sampson,
who
is
our
lawyer
working
on
this
alongside
acting
City,
Attorney,
Kim,
sturdivin
and
Laura
Wheelock
from
DPW,
is
playing
a
very
large
role
right
now
as
well.
The
team
is
also
here
and
will
participate
in
the
exact
expected
executive
session
that
is
planned
to
follow
the
the
public
update.
T
We
are
not
expecting
any
Council
action
tonight
after
the
executive
section.
Do,
however,
expect
to
seek
further
Council
action
on
this
project
soon,
possibly
as
soon
as
next
Monday
and
here's.
Why,
since
taking
over
the
project
in
May,
the
local
Partners
have
made
extensive
progress
and
are
on
the
verge
of
moving
from
a
project
that
has
been
stalled
since
2018
to
one
that
is
under
Full.
Construction
is
a
sign
of
that.
T
I
am
happy
to
share
that
the
city
received
a
building
permit
application
for
the
Project's
Foundation
earlier
today,
CPP
C,
Place
Partners
will
share
more
about
what
this
significant
Milestone
means
and
other
details
regarding
their
progress.
In
a
moment
for
the
project
to
take
this
step,
however,
and
start
construction
of
the
foundation,
further
action
from
the
city
council
will
be
needed
and
the
details
of
that
action
is
what
we're
going
to
be
reviewing
with
the
council
and
executive
session
tonight.
T
The
reason
why
we
need
a
public-private
partnership,
whereas
that
you
know
generally,
when
we
see
private
developments
move
forward.
That's
not
needed
is
that
this
project
involves
substantial
new
public
infrastructure
being
built.
That
will
result
in
the
realization
of
a
goal
that
has
been
part
of
official
City
policy.
Since
the
adoption
of
plan
BTV
downtown
in
2012
and
that
goal
is
the
reconnection
of
St,
Paul,
Street
and
pine
streets
for
the
first
time
since
they
were
severed
in
the
1960s
during
period.
T
From
the
beginning
of
this
project,
all
public
funds
have
been
carefully
protected
from
Development
and
Construction
risk
and
as
a
result
of
those
protections,
the
very
substantial
costs
of
delays
since
2018
have
all
been
borne
by
the
developer,
not
by
the
city.
Some
of
the
updates
to
the
agreement
that
we're
going
to
need
to
talk
about
are
intended
to
ensure
that
this
protection
of
public
dollars
continues.
T
The
City
of
Burlington
has
numerous
other
important
interests
in
this
project.
Moving
forward
to
successful
completion,
including
the
creation
of
more
than
400
much-needed
homes,
to
address
our
acute
and
long-standing
housing,
Supply
shortage
within
that
400,
we
will
be
creating
this
project
will
create
85
permanently
affordable
rentals,
which
means
that
this
project
will
be
the
largest
affordable
family
housing
development
in
Burlington
in
decades,
and
we'll
hear
more
about
that
from
Michael,
Monty
and
CHT
in
a
moment.
T
The
current
agreement
between
the
city
and
City
Place
Partners
was
written
and
approved
in
early
2021.
in
the
roughly
18
months.
Since
then
much
has
happened.
The
ownership
of
the
project
has
changed
and,
as
we'll
hear
in
a
moment,
the
developers
now
plan
to
join
forces
with
a
new,
affordable
housing
partner.
T
The
legislature
has
granted
a
general
extension
for
all
Tif
projects
in
recognition
of
the
extremely
challenging
economic
circumstances
created
by
the
pandemic,
and
that
creates
the
opportunity
to
change
some
of
the
Tifton
deadlines
that
were
in
the
last
version
of
this
agreement,
driven
by
the
statutes
that
were
in
place
at
that
time.
Further
all
litigation
regarding
the
project
has
has
now
been
resolved.
T
The
city
team
has
been
working
on
these
changes
really,
since
the
beginning
of
the
year,
we
and
City
Place
Partners
knew
that
changes
would
be
needed
to
the
development
agreement
when
they
took
over
ownership
from
Don
Sinex
in
May,
and
we
discussed
that
need
publicly
at
the
time
and
we
briefed
the
council
and
executive
session
in
May.
That
changes
would
be
needed.
U
I
want
to
thank
city,
council
and
the
mayor's
office
for
inviting
us
for
this
update
and
I'm
Dave
Farrington,
one
of
the
the
partners
of
City
Place
Partners,
along
with
Al
Seneca
in
Scott
Ireland.
This
is
Patrick
O'brien
he's
one
of
our
project
managers
who's
been
super
instrumental
in
in
forging
this
thing
ahead.
U
We've
we've
been
double
teaming
with
the
city
and
the
Department
of
Public
Works,
working
with
the
ceto
office,
working
with
all
the
departments
on
on
every
every
detail
of
this,
and
so
we
made
a
lot
of
progress
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
tonight
to
talk
about.
So
the
mayor
mentioned
back
in
the
spring.
It
was
actually
the
last
last
day
or
two
of
May.
U
We
came
to
terms
with
Don
cynex
to
to
have
him
step
aside
from
the
project
and
we
took
over
his
ownership
and
immediately
we
started
we
re-engaged
with
the
design
team,
the
architect
stream,
French
Freeman
and
all
the
the
subcontracting
Engineers
got.
The
plans
back
on
schedule
started
working
on
the
miscellaneous
permits.
U
We
needed
from
the
state
working
out
the
last
details
with
DPW
on
some
of
the
road
issues
and
infrastructure
utilities
working
with
Burlington
water
and
the
sewer
and
electric
and
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
we
are
now
we
just
applied
today
for
our
foundation.
Permit
submitted
those
plans
this
afternoon
and
we
will
be
starting
in
in
this
on
the
south
building.
U
I
can
show
a
picture
of
that
here.
It's
the
the
Limestone
building
on
the
corner,
so
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
that
and
working
around
clockwise
on
the
Block
in
order
to
get
ready
and
prepare
the
foundation
and
the
Podium
on
the
North
building,
which
is
the
wing
that
runs
down
the
new
Pine
Street
and
we
have
partnered
with
a
Champlain
Housing
Trust
to
be
the
developer,
co-developer
and
partner
on
that
piece
of
the
project
which
will
provide
the
inclusionary
zoning
units
that
are
required,
85
or
86
units.
U
And
the
concept
is
that
we're
going
to
build
the
ground
floor,
retail
all
around
the
block
and
then
above.
That
is
where
the
residential
takes
place
and
those
are
called
the
podiums
and
CHT
will
be
buying
their
Podium
on
that
Pine
Street
side
and
then
constructing
their
project.
On
top
of
that
and
I
can
let
Mike
explain
a
little
bit
about
where
they're
at
and
how
they
go
about.
That.
V
Excuse
me
good
evening:
I'm
Michael,
Monty
I'm,
the
CEO
of
Champlain,
Housing
Trust
and,
let
me
just
say,
I'm
operating
on
London
time
right
now,
and
so
it's
for
three
in
the
morning
and
a
past
due
for
a
pint,
as
they
would
say,
but
thank
you
counselors
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
this
evening.
Chc
is
a
pleased
to
be
in
partnership
with
CityPlace
partners
and
feel
strongly
that
this
is
a
unique
and
great
opportunity
to
build
affordable
housing
in
downtown
Burlington.
V
As
the
mayor
says,
one
of
the
largest,
affordable
housing
developments
and,
and
certainly
in
decades,
as
you
know,
CHD
and
its
partner
ever
North,
which
is
formerly
housing.
Vermont,
has
a
strong
track
record
of
building
and
developing
affordable
housing
in
Burlington
and
throughout
Northwest
Vermont,
and
though
not
exclusively.
We
have
often
partnered
with
private
developers
to
achieve
that
goal.
V
Having
done
that
in
Shelburne,
South,
Burlington,
St
Albans,
here
in
Burlington,
and
actually
currently
with
SDR
England
and
Colchester,
our
portion
of
the
of
the
project,
we're
calling
City,
Place
West
will
provide
permanently
affordable
rental
homes.
Our
rents
will
be
deeply
affordable
and
will
go
Way
Beyond.
V
We
are
aggressively
pursuing
financing,
have
been
having
discussions
with
state
and
federal
leaders.
That's
certainly
the
local
leadership
about
this
and
have
a
clear
and
strong
framework
and
path
to
be
successful
in
our
goal.
We
have
not
initiated
a
project
like
this
without
finishing
it,
and
so
that's
our
intent
here
again.
U
Yeah
well
anyway,
so
we're
gonna,
starting
in
early
November,
we'll
begin
construction
on
that
South
West,
Southeast
Corner
again,
like
I,
said
working
around
the
count
clockwise
around
the
block
in
order
to
prep
for
the
CHT
Podium
and
then
we'll
continue
along
the
north
building,
which
is
all
along
Cherry
Street
and
then
turning
down
the
new
Saint
Paul
Street,
again
creating
the
lower
retail
space
and
then
the
second
floor.
Podium
there
right
now
we're
evaluating
three
potential
Partnerships
very
similar
to
what
the
one
that
we're
hammering
out
with
CHT
and
that'll.
U
Again,
some
some
scheduling
opportunities
with
CHT
figuring
out
when
the
best
time
is
to
start
that,
but
the
podium
will
be
prepped
and
continuing
on
to
the
rest
of
the
north
building
finishing
off
the
entire
project,
with
completing
the
the
two
levels
of
structured
parking
above
grade
and
as
part
of
this
amendment
to
the
development
agreement.
We've
worked
on
some
agreed
two
schedules
with
the
city
on
so
starting.
A
A
A
Please
don't
let
the
lack
of
questions
deter
our
or
send
a
message
of
our
lack
of
enthusiasm.
We
just
have
a
we.
We
try
to
give
people
the
opportunity
to
speak,
but
we
also
know
that
we're
going
to
be
having
an
expected
executive
session
and
we'll
probably
be
in
a
better
position
to
answer
questions
as
the
as
the
project
moves
forward.
C
I,
actually
don't
need,
or
even
want
you
to
give
me
a
a
an
answer
tonight,
but
just
like
CHT
has
given
us
an
indication
of
what
they're
going
to
be
renting
for
and
I
want
to
say
publicly
how
much
I
appreciate
that
I
look
at
the
rents
that
we
just
got
from
vhfa
and
you
know
understand
that
I
think
putting
that
in
dollars
and
cents.
So
people
know
it
would
be
better,
but
for
the
market
rate
remainder,
it
would
be
helpful
to
understand
what
those
rents
are.
C
So
we
can
understand
what
this
development
is
going
to
be
doing
to
the
socioeconomic
mix
of
the
downtown
and
the
areas
around
it.
So
you
don't
have
to
give
me
anything
tonight.
It's
probably
still
developing,
but
I
just
think
that
that
will
be
important
so
that
people
can
really
understand
what
it
is
that
we're
getting
I
mean
yeah
I'll,
leave
it
at
that.
U
I
think
it's
actually
written
up
in
the
agreement
to
try
to
strive
to
provide
and
Market
to
the
the
worker
housing
segment
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
the
range
of
the
the
market
rate
stuff
that
will
be
out
there
and
again
Market
kind
of
sets
sets
rates.
So
it's
it's
going
to
be.
There's
a
lot
of
units
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
see
where
it
lands
but
yeah.
We
will
probably
come
up
with
something
to
share
with
you.
C
Yeah
I
appreciate
it
I
think
the
public
will
definitely
do
and
as
somebody
who
represents
a
working
class
Ward,
one
of
the
poorer
Awards
people
are
really
stretched
for
housing,
even
those
who
are
making
you
know
100
percent
of
the
adjusted
gross
or
median
income
in
the
area,
so
them
understanding
what
this
will
do
for
the
the
availability
of
housing
to
them
will
be
really
appreciated.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
E
You
president
Paul
I,
just
want
to
I,
don't
have
any
questions
right
now
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
executive
session,
but
I
just
want
to
express
my
enthusiasm
for
this
project
and
I
concur
with
the
sentiment
that
was
expressed
earlier.
It's
about
time
and
I'm
excited
to
get
going
on
this.
So
thank
you
for
that
update
tonight.
A
U
U
U
We,
with
the
help
of
the
mayor
and
mediation
in
the
spring,
got
through
some
difficult
moments
with
our
neighbor
at
100,
Bank
Street.
We
got
that
all
settled
out,
we're
on
great
terms
with
them.
Now
we're
actually
going
to
be
getting
our
temporary
power
out
of
his
building,
we're
going
to
be
building
right
up
to
him
on
on
two
sides.
U
We
got
stuck
settling
that
up
and
a
couple
other
little
miscellaneous
disputes,
but
as
of
last
Friday
filed
with
the
court,
was
the
last
Franco
dismissal
and
so
we're
free
and
clear
of
any
opposition
and
I
guess
we,
we
should
say
also
we're
planning
on
building
this
exactly
as
it
was
permitted
originally.
So
the
same
same
number
of
you
and
it's
the
same.
There's
there's
no
changes,
we're
not
like
trying
to
make
any
changes
to
what
got
permitted.
We
thought
that
was
the
cleanest
there's,
no
like
bait
and
switch
appearance.
U
U
You
know
the
floor.
Plans
on
the
retail
may
change
a
little
bit
depending
on
the
tenants
we
talk
to
and
the
sizes
that
they're
looking
for,
but
that's
about
the
only
flexibility
in
the
the
building.
It's
the
427
units,
including
the
CHT
units
420
or
so
parking
spaces,
and
about
45
000
feet
of
Street
side
retail
all
the
way
around,
and
there
is
a
a
restaurant
and
a
public
Observatory
space
on
the
roof
of
the
south
building.
A
T
You
know,
Don
cynics
was
expecting
to
build
all
the
the
affordable
housing
himself.
The
fact
that
their
the
litigation
is
gone.
All
these
are
important
changes
that
have
taken
place
since
the
current
agreement
was
was
created
and
approved
by
this
body
back
in
the
beginning
of
21,
and
so
the
process
that
we're
about
to
talk
to
an
executive
session
is
is
the
process
of
updating
the
document
to
reflect
those
changes
to
make
it
work
with
with
the
deal
that
is
now
your
the
agreement.
A
A
A
G
A
G
A
Opposed,
please
say:
no
that
motion
passes
and
we're
expecting
that
the
executive
session
will
last
no
more
than
45
minutes,
which
will
put
us
to
approximately
9
00
PM.
We
are
going
to
be
going
downstairs
into
the
butcher
conference
room
so
for
those
of
you
who
are
here
in
person
and
Contours,
you
can
make
yourselves
comfortable
if
you
want
to
stay
with
us
for
the
45
minutes
or
certainly
can
come
back.
We
hope
to
return
again
in
in
by
9
pm.
Thank
you
in
session.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is.
A
K
A
I
could
we
did?
We
did
talk
about
that
at
the
outset
of
our
meeting,
but
there
were,
fortunately
we
were
lucky
that
a
number
of
other
counselors
were
were
at
the
at
the
event.
Are
there
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
do
it,
but
are
there
other
counselors
who
might
want
to
talk
about
what
their
Impressions
were
of
the
nature-based
climate
Solutions?
H
So
there
were
a
number
of
us
who
were
able
to
join
Zoe
Richards
among
other
folks
who
invited
us
to
Champlain
Elementary
School,
to
see
some
nature-based
climate
Solutions
at
play
before
I
joined
the
council.
This
council
did
act
on
formally
adopting
a
a
plan
regarding
nature-based
climate
Solutions.
H
We
saw
a
number
of
different
things
they're
doing
there,
including
a
wildlife
Corridor
that
they've
built
up
on
the
hill
behind
Champlain
Elementary,
a
garden
at
the
Champlain.
Elementary
students
have
referred
to
as
a
stick
Garden
that
is
cuttings
of
of
different
trees.
That
I
think
within
a
relatively
small
footprint.
They
said
something
like
more
than
80
trees.
It
will
turn
into
for
replanting
I,
didn't
realize
this,
but
as
compared
to
any
place
in
Vermont,
Burlington
is
growing
more
new
trees
than
any
other
location
in
the
state
at
the
Intervale.
H
The
highlight
of
the
visit
was
a
group
of,
as
president
Paul
was
mentioning
earlier,
fifth
graders,
who
started
in
on
this
project,
some
in
third
grade
some
in
fourth
grade
at
Champlain
Elementary
working
on
these
different
aspects,
including
the
wildlife
Corridor,
the
stick
Garden
they've
collected
a
number
of
acorns
that
they're
planning
on
germinating
and
planting
elsewhere.
They
provided
like
President
Paul,
mentioned
some
homemade
apple
crisps
from
apples
at
Champlain
Elementary.
H
They
showed
us
a
number
of
signs
that
they
made
about
their
favorite
thing
about
Wild
Spaces,
and
it
was
really
nice
to
hear
from
the
kids,
hopefully
a
mission
that
they
carry
on
through
their
grade
school
career
and
Zoe.
Richards
who's,
really
just
a
champion
of
this
and
we're
so
lucky
to
have
her
here
in
Burlington,
spoke
to
sort
of
how
emotional
it
is
to
see.
H
You
know
young
kids
in
elementary
school
speaking
to
this
issue,
sort
of
almost
to
the
same
level
that
that
she
can
now
having
operated
in
it
for
decades.
So
it
was
a
nice
visit,
a
nice
demonstration
of
what
we're
doing
really
city-wide
for
nature-based
climate
Solutions
and
really
appreciate
their
inviting
us.
A
Thank
you.
That
was
an
excellent
summary.
Was
there
anyone
else
who
wanted
to
offer
their
impressions
of
the
field
trip
seems
like
councilor
Traverse,
who
did
a
wonderful
job?
It
was.
It
was
a
great
experience.
We
were
I
think
we
were
all
really
felt
really
good
about
having
been
there
and-
and
it
was
a
pleasure
to
see
the
young
people,
the
fifth
graders
that
were
there,
they
were.
They
were
really
excited
and
really
proud
to
show
us
what
they
had
done.
A
J
A
L
A
Any
opposed,
please
say:
no:
we've
approved
our
consent
agenda
before
we
get
to
the
deliberative
agenda.
We
have
two
other
meetings
that
we
need
to
attend
to
the
local
Control
Commission
and
the
city
council
with
mayor
presiding,
so
we'll
recess
the
city
council
meeting
at
9
35
and
call
to
order
the
local
Control
Commission.
The
first
item
on
I'm
just
going
to
go
to
that
meeting.
A
A
W
A
Opposed
saying,
no,
please
we
have
our
agenda,
there's
no
consent
agenda,
so
we
have-
and
we
have
one
item
on
our
deliberative
agenda.
That
is,
item
2.01,
which
is
a
first
class.
Restaurant
liquor,
license
application,
20,
2022
2023
for
dim
sum,
Cafe
dim
sum,
and
commissioner
Traverse
I'll
go
to
you.
Yeah.
A
Made
by
counselor
Travers
Thank
You
seconded
by
counselor,
commissioner
Shannon
is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion
and
I
I
do
see
that
will
clavel
is
on
Zoom,
whom
he
was
with
the
applicant
at
the
License
Commission
or
the
late
at
the
license
committee
meeting
I,
don't
know,
will,
if
you
wanted
to.
If
there
was
anything
that
you
wanted
to
add
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
X
Good
evening,
counselors
sorry
we're
not
there
in
person.
We
were
there
earlier
and
saw
that
you're
going
into
executive
session.
Sam
and
Lee
are
here
on
Zoom.
They
are
the
owners
of
Cafe,
dim
sum
and
I
would
just
say
that.
There's
a
lot
of
excitement
they
opened
about
a
year
ago.
The
first
dim
sum
restaurant
in
Burlington
quickly
outgrew
their
space,
so
they've
expanded
and
tripled
their
space
and
they're
going
to
be
adding
hot
pot
and
I.
X
Think
bringing
dim
sum
and
Hot
Pot
to
Burlington
are
two
things
that
we
haven't
had
and
I
know.
The
community
is
very
excited
about
it,
so
just
want
to
support
them.
They're
very,
very
hard
workers,
they've
owned
restaurants
in
Burlington
for
over
15
years
and
I'm
excited
as
a
as
a
foodie
to
see
them.
Opening
up
this
new
Venture
in
Burlington.
A
A
W
A
Any
opposed,
please
say
no
and
that
motion
passes
unanimously.
Thanks
will
thanks
for
being
here
and
to
the
applicants.
We
wish
you
the
best
with
no
other
business
on
this
agenda
and
seeing
no
objection
will
adjourn
the
local
Control
Commission
meeting
at
9
37
and
we
will
turn
I'll
turn.
The
I'll
turn
this
over
to
the
to
the
mayor
to
preside
over
the
city
council
with
mayor,
presiding.
T
Y
T
W
A
T
Know
we
do
not
okay,
so
it's
just
the
members
that
are
present.
We
will
now
go
to
item
3.01,
which
is
a
an
appointment
for
an
airport
commission
for
a
term
expiring
on
June,
30th
2023,
so
to
fill
out
the
rest
of
this
term
through
next
year
and
the
floor
is
open
for
nominations.
Council,
Bergman,
I'd,.
C
Nominate
Dan
castagrano,
who
I
believe
is
the
only
applicant
Dan
was
present
before,
but
we
had
led
him
to
believe
that
the
executive
session
was
going
to
be
much
shorter
and
he
had
a
child.
That
I
know
had
some
difficulties
tonight
and
so
and
he
wanted.
If
he's
here,
then
that
would
be
great.
If
he's
not,
then
your
people
are
pointing
up
there.
T
C
T
Z
T
T
S
Thank
you,
mayor
Weinberger
and
city
council,
counselors,
Travers
and
Paul.
Thank
you
for
speaking
about
going
to
talk
to
fifth
graders
about
climate
change.
I've
taught
a
lot
of
students
about
climate
change
and
one
of
the
hardest
things
to
do
is
is
to
talk
about
it
and
then
the
emotional
part.
At
the
end,
when
you
are
telling
them,
you
know
what
we're
doing
about
it
so
prepare
to
a
short
little
statement
here.
S
The
City
of
Burlington
declared
climate
emergency
on
September,
23
2019
that
was
1120
days
ago
and
in
the
interim,
the
climate
emergency
is
only
worsened.
Flooding
in
Pakistan
hurricanes
in
the
Gulf
South
collapse
of
wildlife
populations
and
Vermont
is
not
immune
to
the
effects
of
the
climate
emergency.
It
is
impacting
what
makes
Vermont
so
special
shorter
and
warmer
Winters
for
winter
sports,
a
shorter
and
more
unpredictable
sugaring
season
for
Maple
Sarah,
fewer
opportunities
to
swim
in
Lake
Champlain
due
to
cyanobacteria,
and
all
this
is
impacting
our
economy.
It's
the
truth.
S
It's
important
to
speak
the
truth.
It's
not
fun
to
hear,
but
that's
the
truth
and
the
burning
of
fossil
fuels
is
the
main
cause
of
the
climate
emergency,
as
that
includes
in
all
sectors.
Electricity
buildings
Aviation
in
the
South
Burlington
City
Council,
recently
failed
to
include
Aviation
emissions
from
the
airport
in
their
climate
action
plan
and
they're
also
not
accounted
for
in
the
Burlington
Net
Zero
Energy
roadmap
or
in
the
2021
Vermont
climate
assessment.
S
They
exist
in
this
murky
in
between
where
municipalities
and
States
all
look
the
other
way,
but
if
everybody
looks
the
other
way,
they're
still
in
the
atmosphere.
So
what
should
we
do?
We
have
to
both
measure
and
manage
Aviation
emissions
from
the
airport,
so
I'm
applying
to
the
airport
commission
to
help
the
City
of
Burlington
measure
emissions
from
the
airport
and
include
them
in
Burlington's,
Net,
Zero,
Energy
roadmap
and
to
cap
and
reduce
the
amount
of
flights
at
the
airport.
S
Luckily,
for
us
we
have
an
example
from
across
the
pond
in
June
the
Dutch
government
decided
to
cap
flights
at
Amsterdam's
schiffel
airport
in
2024.
This
represents
a
12
cut
from
pre-pandemic
levels.
The
Dutch
have
shown
great
courage
and
we
have
a
unique
opportunity
in
Burlington
to
do
the
same.
We
can
be
leaders
on
the
national
and
international
stage.
S
I
included
all
this
on
my
application
for
the
airport
commission
and
in
my
messages
to
all
of
you
today,
climate
change
and
climate
Justice
is
what
I
care
about
the
most
and
so
I'm
not
trying
to
hide
anything.
This
is
why
I'm
applying
to
the
airport,
Commission
and
I
know
many
of
you
here
and
at
home
are
worried
about
economic
prosperity
and
that
this
can
be
harmful
to
our
community.
But
the
simple
truth
is
that
we
can't
have
infinite
growth
on
our
finite
Planet.
S
It
is
not
sustainable,
we
don't
have
infinite
steel
and
plastic
and
glass
and
rubber
and
everything
else,
there's
only
so
much
on
this
planet
and
we
can
create
a
prosperous,
thriving
Vermont.
While
reducing
emissions
from
the
airport,
we
can
have
housing
jobs,
businesses
that
thrive
within
our
planetary
limits.
We
can
build
upon
the
opening
of
the
Ethan,
Allen
Express
and
work
to
expand
rail
service
and
frequency.
We
can
protect
our
1.6
billion
dollar
ski
industry
that
under
high
emission
scenarios,
is
no
longer
viable
in
2080..
S
So
I've
looked
at
the
minutes
of
recent
airport
commission
meetings.
I
know
it's
not
about
climate,
it's
about
grants
and
de-icing
materials
and
noise
impacts
and
lots
of
other
things.
I
will
contribute
to
that
work
and
help
Steward
the
airport,
to
the
best
of
my
ability
and
I
can
help
calculate
the
emissions
from
Aviation.
I
can
run
the
numbers
I
can
create
the
spreadsheets.
I
can
do
the
stuff
that
a
lot
of
other
people
don't
want
to
do
so
that
we
can
take
bold
and
courageous
and
necessary
action.
S
T
C
He
is
laid
out
the
the
question
of
climate
and,
if
that
emergency
resolution
that
we
adopted
means
anything,
it
means
us
taking
what
the
airport
does
into
consideration
and
we're
doing
it
partially
through
the
ground
operations
and
other
work.
Dan
has
expertise
to
assist
in
all
of
that
work,
but
it
also
means
taking
all
the
other
things
that
are
involved,
including
airport
emissions
or
Aviation
emissions
into
account.
C
We
got
a
burning
planet
and
those
kids
that
I
saw
today
deserve
to
have
something
that
is
going
to
be
habitable
and
and
and
livable
for
them.
So
we
actually
really
need
a
climate
expert.
Somebody
who's
an
educator
as
well
to
be
on
that
commission,
like
we
need,
in
all
of
the
commissions
that
we
have
now
when
I
supported,
Nick
Longo
to
be
the
permanent
director.
C
C
You
heard
Dan
talk
about
his
desire
to
make
sure
that
all
the
things
that
de-icing
Etc
will
be
taken
into
account,
but
we
really
do
need
to
keep
in
mind
the
the
climate
emergency
when
we're
dealing
with
all
of
that
work,
and
that
includes
having
somebody
with
Dan's
expertise
on
the
on
the
commission.
So
that's
the
the
sweetest
way
that
I
can
express
a
real,
strong
sense
that
we
need
to
have
somebody
like
Dan
and
that
we
we
fiddle
while
our
planet
burns,
when
we
fail
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
B
Just
a
quick
comment
that
I
am
supportive
of
this
appointment.
I
do
encourage
the
applicant,
as
I
did
over
email
to
think
about
Admissions
and
after
that
total
energy
use,
regardless
of
the
associated
emissions
rather
than
flights,
because
I
think
it's
good
to
measure
what
we
actually
want
to
reduce
foreign.
I
Thanks
I
appreciate
the
passion
that
Dan
has
for
climate
change:
I
need
to
say
to
LEAP
right
into
a
commission
appointment
where
there's
a
presumption
that
we
need
to
reduce
flights,
and
that's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
there
is,
is
troublesome
to
me
and
I'm,
just
not
ready
to
to
support
that
as
a
position
coming
out
of
the
gate.
I
agree
with
Council
bergman's
points
of
view,
I
think
we
should
push
the
airport
to
measure
emissions
and
that's
a
administrative
function.
They
should
do
without
a
commissioner.
I
K
The
way
you
want
to,
but
we
invite
you
to
collaborate
with
people
who
are
there
and
to
try
to
move
the
needle
to
the
right
direction
with
what
is
possible
for
the
City
of
Burlington
to
do
because
there
is
a
sense
of
urgency,
but
also
there
is
a
way
that
we
work
together
that
we
Inspire.
So
you
have
my
vote.
Congratulations.
Thank
you.
T
T
T
T
B
Just
want
to
note
that
this
is
I,
think
the
second
time
that
we've
reposted
the
position
and
I
do
think
to
Dan's
point.
It
is
a
shame
that
we
didn't
move
forward
with
this
applicant
for
the
next
eight
months,
even
with
some
of
the
issue,
issues
that
some
of
us
felt
with
it,
given
that
we've
reposted
this
and
had
a
few
applicants.
Thank
you.
T
T
T
Thank
you,
Dan
for
your
passion
and
for
your
application
and
there
may,
since
the
airport
is
engaged
in
substantial
planning
for
how
it
becomes
an
even
more
it's
already
one
of
The
Greener
airports
in
the
country,
but
it
is
engaged
in
planning
to
make
it
even
more
so
there
may
be
other
opportunities
for
you
to
engage
in
that
work.
Given
your
passion
in
this
area,
with
that
the
seeing
no
further
business
and
no
objection,
oh
sorry,
I
apologize.
We
also
have
the
board.
T
A
N
T
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
Mr
Baker
reached
out
to
me
when
he
found
out
there
was
an
opening
and
was
really
very
enthusiastic
he's
been
a
poll
worker
in
Ward
four
and
has
become
very
engaged
and
was
just
really
interested
in.
We
don't
always
have
people
leaping
for
the
vote
of
board
of
voter
registration
and
he
has
a
genuine
interest
in
making
sure
that
our
voting
is
very
inclusive
and
includes
all
of
our
neighbors.
So
I
would
hardly
nominate
him.
A
Thank
you
so
Allison
had
reached
out
to
me
and
was
I
was
I
was
happy
to
see
someone
who
had
not
served
in
a
role
in
city
government
who
had
an
interest
in
this
important
board.
She
has
served
on
the
board
the
Vermont
housing
conservation
board
and
on
the
board
of
Pathways
Vermont
and
her
occupation
is
a
affordable
housing
and
support
services.
Consultant
I,
you
know
as
I
say,
I'm
I'm,
always
I'm,
always
I'm
almost
happy
when
people
step
forward
and
I
think
her
her
her
hope
to
accomplish.
A
T
T
Will
make
that
we
have?
There
are
seven
votes
for
Allison
Hart,
congratulations
and
thank
you
for
stepping
up.
It
is
great
to
see
a
competitive
race
for
Board
of
registration
and
voters
at
the
time
when
we
have
you
know
when
we
see
all
around
us
strains
on
our
Democratic
systems.
It's
great
to
see
this
interest
in
serving
this
position
and
I
want
to
thank
Warren
Baker
for
his
application
as
well
and
and
his
commitment
to
our
electoral
system.
T
A
A
H
So
our
license
committee
reviewed
this
application
upon
discussing
it
further
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
I,
actually,
don't
think
the
license
committee
or
the
council
is
vested
with
any
authority
to
take
action
with
respect
to
tobacco,
license
applications
I
think.
Rather,
the
city
serves
more
of
an
administrative
function
that
wants
the
application
fee
is
paid
that
the
application
is
then
forwarded
back
to
the
state
for
consideration.
H
A
Y
A
A
Y
Y
Here
in
Burlington
and
renters
often
have
a
unique
and
closer
tied
to
our
parks
and
our
public
lands,
because
they're
often
the
spaces
on
the
landscape
here
in
the
city
that
we're
allowed
to
have
these
deep
relationships
with
and
I
found
this
opportunity,
as
a
renter
and
forbidden
church,
more
broadly
exciting,
to
have
possibly
the
chance
to
have
a
broader
stewardship
of
these
parks
and
these
lanes
that
are
protected
for
us.
Thank
you.
A
J
A
Are
there
any
opposed?
Please
say
no,
congratulations,
Andrew.
The
vote
is
unanimous
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
willingness
to
step
forward
to
serve
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
7.03,
which
is
a
vote
on
the
rail
yard,
Enterprise
project,
the
preferred
alternate
selection.
We
had
a
work
session
on
this
item
at
our
September
19th
meeting
and
a
lot
has
gone
on
since
that
we
had
an
opportunity
for
a
site
visit.
A
E
A
AA
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
President
Paul
I
have
with
me
Greg
Oh
Yeah
from
stantec
in
the
DPW
project
team,
Corey,
Mims,
Olivia,
duries
and
Norm
Baldwin.
We
have
a
very
short
presentation
just
to
touch
on
what
additional
work
we've
done
since
our
September
meeting,
and
really
summarize
the
alternative
1B
which
we're
requesting
your
support
for
tonight
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Corey
Mims.
AB
So,
yes,
we're
going
to
keep
this
short.
We
had
done
a
a
bit
of
Outreach,
as
you
were
aware,
following
our
last
meeting
with
you
all
on
September
19th,
so
apologies
well,
I,
really
don't
need
that
early
October
5th
we
I,
went
and
spoke
with
Burlington
walk
by
Council
and
kind
of
gave
them
the
same
presentation
in
which
we
presented
to
you
on
the
19th
of
September.
AB
AB
The
alignment
proposed
for
the
1B,
alternative
and
I
think
that
we
had
between
counselors
a
DPW
commissioner,
as
well
as
some
business
owners
and
operators
there
in
the
vicinity,
as
well
as
some
general
public
who
came
through,
and
it
was
a
good
event
to
be
able
to
really
see
what
we're
working
with.
In
that
Corridor
the
11th
of
October.
We
met
with
the
Burlington
historic
preservation,
Review
Committee,
to
discuss
the
impacts
that
this
project
would
have
on
some
of
the
historic
features
in
the
area.
AB
We
came
through
and
we
tried
to
attempt
to
engage
the
community
and
the
Bob
Mills
Area
through
an
effort
of
flowering
and
sending
out
translated
materials
to
try
to
get
a
little
bit
more
additional
feedback
from
those
community
members
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
project
limits.
Unfortunately,
we
did
not
have
a
turnout,
but
we
were
going
to
continue
to
do
efforts
in
the
neighborhood
to
engage
the
community
members
on
a
one-to-one
level.
So
those
are
some
of
the
outreaches
that
we
had
done
since
the
last
time
we
had
spoken
and
we
just
I.
A
K
You
president
I,
was
not
here
on
the
19th
I'm,
sorry,
I
missed
the
presentation
and
everything,
and
can
you
and
also
the
memo
does
not
really
explain
the
reason
as
to
why
this
was
chosen.
I
wanted
to
understand
if
it's
cost
related
or
environmental
issues.
What
are
the
issues
that
led
you
to
choose
this
B1.
AB
K
AB
So,
with
the
federal
process,
you
know
we
have
to
get
a
selection
of
the
preferred
alternative.
First
before
we
can
move
into
the
right-of-way
acquisition
and
those
conversations
further
detailed
Financial
conversations
can
be
held
with
any
property
owner.
So
you
know
following
councils,
you
know
hopeful
approval
of
the
1B
alternative
is
selection
alternative.
We
would
submit
the
documentation
in
November
to
the
Federal
Highway.
K
C
So
everything
that
the
city,
not
just
the
DPW,
because
this
is
about
business
support,
I-
think
we're
at
least
a
day
late
and
many
dollars
short
in
terms
of
our
Communications
with
them
and
I
really
think
that
we
have
to
intensify
our
Communications
with
with
that
business.
I
think
we
fell,
we
have
failed
them
so
far
and
I
hope
that
we
won't
continue
to
do
that.
C
I
have
a
question
regarding
The
Locomotion,
I'm,
happy
to
see
the
you
know.
You
hear
what
you're
saying
about
their
memo
and
there's
a
12-day
gap,
so
I
just
want
to
make
make
it
clear
they
talked
about,
and
our
conversation
previously,
you
know
indicated
that
a
shared
youth
path,
shared
use
pass,
is
really
necessary,
so
they
have
made
a
recommendation
in
terms
of
the
minimum
width
in
their
memo.
Could
you
clarify
exactly
what
the
status
of
that
is?
Yes,.
AB
At
this
phase,
I
mean
these
are
just
preliminary.
We
have
it
as
a
10-foot
minimum
shared
use
path
through
the
whole
area
which
meets
the
minimum
standard
per
their
memo
as
well.
They
are
recommending
based
upon
the
amount
of
traffic
they
anticipate,
that
they
would
prefer
a
12
foot
minimum,
which
is
something
that
we
would
look
at
once
we
get
to
the
right-of-way
acquisition
phase
and
we're
able
to
actually
see
what
we're.
What.
D
AB
C
So
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
to
have
to
do
everything
you
can
to
expand
the
the
size
of
the
the
width
of
the
road
and
I
just
want
to
find
out
more
in
terms
of
the
roadway
width.
They
have
recommended
reducing
the
the
width
to
11
or
12
feet
to
reduce
vehicle
speeds,
I
think
they're,
probably
right.
C
AB
Yeah,
so
we
have
an
updated
typical
roadway
section
here.
The
one
that
was
presented
previously
did
not
show
the
two
foot
shoulder
on
the
roadway
edging.
What
it
is
is
that,
with
the
amount
of
large
truck
that
are
going
to
be
coming
out
of
the
rail
yard,
we
had
to
design
the
roadway
to
accommodate
their
turn
movements
and
so
with
the
bends
to
the
roadway
alignment.
As
it
stands
now,
the
semi-trailers
were
going
to
require
that
13
foot
in
order
to
make
those
movements
without
mounting
the
curb.
C
AA
AB
Mentioned
again,
similarly,
to
what
we
said
about
the
same
with
the
width
of
the
shared
use
path
is
that
that
would
be
looked
at
and
evaluated
based
upon
how
much
additional
right-of-way
we're
looking
to
acquire
for
the
roadway
alignment.
So
with
that
discussions
with
the
property
owners,
and
once
we
start
getting
that
level
of
design
of
the
D
or
detailed
design
of
the
roadway,
we
can
determine
how
much
buffer
or
if
the
green
belt
is
going
to
be
able
to
be
put
in
along
this
road
section.
Right.
G
K
AB
C
Yeah
yep
for
storm
water
as
well,
and
you
and
I
talked
about
the
the
dip
so
to
speak,
so
the
ponding
effects.
So
all
that
we
can
do
to
to
deal
with
that.
But
I'm
excited
about
the
the
possibility
of
doing
this
and
therefore
allowing
us
to
to
do
the
southern
connector
and
also
do
this
right.
So
this
is
so
far
so
good.
B
Sorry
I
have
more
of
a
I
didn't
do
my
homework
as
much
as
Council
Brigham
did
so
I
think
I
have
more
of
a
follow-up
question
specific
to
what
is
our
strategy
and
or
rights,
or
ability
to
work
with
not
just
Property
Owners,
but
also
renters,
in
order
to
compensate
them
for
any
loss
of
building
land.
Anything
along
those
lines,
yeah.
AB
N
N
B
AB
W
Yeah
so
yeah
as
part
of
that
process,
impacts
to
Property
Owners,
including
tenants,
are
evaluated,
and
there
is
relocation,
assistance
provided
for
tenants
of
buildings,
and
so
there's
there's
that
whole
process
that
we
need
to
follow
and-
and
there
is
appraisals
done
on
the
properties,
to
try
to
determine
the
value
of
that
and
and
then
have
those
discussions
with
those
owners
and
tenants.
So
it's
all
part
of
the
process
that'll
unfold
during
the
detailed
design
phase.
Great.
Thank
you.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Councilor
Hightower
I.
Don't
see
anyone
else
in
the
queue.
If
there
are
no
other
counselors
that
wish
to
offer
any
comments
or
questions,
then
we
will
go
to
a
vote
on
the
motion.
The
motion
was
to
approve
the
selection
of
alternative
1B
as
the
preferred
alternative
for
the
rail
yard
Enterprise
project,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
I
I.
AA
A
AA
A
A
H
I
would
say,
as
as
we
have
sort
of
reach
the
finish
line
of
a
long
process
with
respect
to
this
matter,
a
number
of
folks
have
continued
to
come
forward
with
questions
and
and
feedback
with
respect
to
the
matter,
I
hope
I'm
at
Liberty
to
say
that
I've
been
working
with
councilor
Bergman,
among
others,
to
try
to
address
some
of
these
concerns
and
with
a
bit
more
time.
Hopefully
we
can
reach
conclusion
on
it.
H
I
suppose,
a
comment
just
to
the
public
if
folks
are
still
tuned
in,
is
that
if
there
are
folks
who
who
continue
to
have
concerns
or
feedback
with
respect
to
this
matter,
to
please
let
us
know
sooner
rather
than
later.
This
has
been
on
our
public
agenda
a
number
of
times
now
and
would
appreciate
that
feedback.
Hopefully,
with
a
bit
more
time,
we
can
come
to
a
conclusion
here
on
the
matter
and
I
would
say.
H
A
L
W
A
G
This
is
an
establishment
that
has
had
some
trouble
for
many
years
in
terms
of
having
complaints
and
and
some
issues
that
I
was
that
preceded
my
tenure
on
the
license
committee,
which
I'm
now
in
my
second
year
on
the
license
committee
I.
Remember
the
prior
chair
raising
an
issue
about
this
establishment
and
concern
about
approving
a
license.
G
We
have
had
complaints,
I
went
down
to
the
establishment
myself
and
witnessed
the
behavior
myself
warned
them,
we've
continued
to
have
complaints,
and
for
that
reason
I
don't
think
you
know.
We
don't
want
to
go
into
the
merits
of
this
at
this
point,
because
this
is
just
to
warn
the
hearing
where
they
should
have
the
opportunity
to
you
know
all
parties
get
to
tell
their
sides,
but
the
process
here
is
that
the
council
would
hold
a
hearing
and
hear
from
both
sides
and
decide
how
we
want
to
adjudicate
this
issue.
G
The
one
thing
I
will
say
is
I
actually
had
been
pushing
to
have
this
hearing
as
soon
as
possible.
I
think
we
now
know
we
might
have
a
very
busy
October
24th
agenda
and
if
there
was
a
desire
by
counselors
to
have
this
hearing
on
or
or
by
you,
president
Paul,
to
have
this
hearing
on
November
7th
I.
I
also
think
that
that
would
be
fine,
give
us
more
time
and
give
the
establishment
more
more
warning
as
well.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Shannon.
We
are
going
to
have
a
number
of
items
on
our
on
our
agenda
for
October
24th
at
the
license
committee.
I
thought
we
wanted
to
do
it
on
the
24th,
but
if
you
don't
believe
that
it
will
be
a
hindrance
to
The
Establishment
or
to
the
person
who
has
to
the
complaintant,
then
we
could
we
can
amend
that
to
would
you
prefer
to.
Maybe
we
should
have
that
on
giving
them
a
little
bit
more
time.
A
Right,
it's
been
such
a
long
time
since
we've
done
this
so
I
think
the
idea
is
that
it's
is
it
amenable
to
the
secondary.
It
is
amountable
to
the
secondary,
so
we'll
we'll
go
with
the
November
November.
The
meeting
on
November
7th.
Are
there
any
other
additional
comments
that
anyone
wishes
to
make
on
this
motion?
G
Sure
sure
I
do
want
to
be
careful
about
I,
don't
know
how
much
detail
we
should
go
into
without
having
the
hearing
and
without
having
the
party's
present.
But
the
the
nature
of
the
complaint
is
a
noise
complaint.
It's
about
ex
extending
Beyond,
what
their
permit
allows
them
to
do
in
terms
of
hours
and
the
complainant
is
the
neighbor
okay.
K
G
I
went
in
the
spring
not
related
to
the
most
recent
incident,
and
yes,
we're
allowed
to
talk
to
establishments
and
remind
them
that
their
their
permit
for
entertainment
and
outside
consumption
has
now
expired
and
they
need
to
you
know,
I
think
that
that's
preferable
to
going
through
a
quasi-judicial
process.
But
when
that
doesn't
work,
we
we
end
up
in
a
more
more
formal
process.
So
just
wanted.
You
know
it.
This
isn't
the
the
first
time
there's
been
a
lot
of
work.
That's
preceded
this
thank.
A
C
That's
that's
relevant
and
that
we
do
that
within
a
hearing
and
to
the
extent
to
which
this
is
something
that
the
The
Establishment
has
due
process
rights.
So
that
requires
proper
notice
and
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
and
an
opportunity
to
have
a
council.
So
the
the
extension
is
a
really
wise
thing
with
that
regard,
and
I
just
would
caution
all
of
us
to
to
stay
away
from
this.
C
Until
you
hear
it
in
front
of
you,
and
hopefully
our
attorneys
will
they'll
be
an
attorney
to
to
act
if
necessary,
to
bring
the
prosecution
and
an
attorney
that
will
act
as
bark
as
our
Council
and
that
there
be
the
appropriate
walls
between
them
so
that
no
no
attorney
from
or
and
any
of
us
ends
up
in.
So
none
of
us
end
up
in
superior
court
defending
the
actions
of
this
kind
of
a
pain
but.