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00:00:00 Call to Order
00:00:45 Agenda
00:01:08 Minutes
00:01:50 DD 03 Fair & Impartial Policing
00:19:33 Public Forum
00:41:57 Chief's Report
01:04:20 Input on Civillian Oversight Ordinance: Timeline and Process
01:06:46 Discussion: Mayor's Memo
01:15:43 Policy Review DD43: Reporting Corruption/Misconduct
01:21:36 Discuss CNA Recommendations
01:32:49 Use of Force Reports
01:40:19 Commendations
01:40:32 Commissioner Updates/Comments
01:45:22 Executive Session
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A
I
like
to
start
meetings
on
time,
but
a
number
of
Commissioners
are
getting
out
of
work,
and
so
sometimes
we
have
to
start
late
such
as
tonight,
commissioner
co-chair
Rao
is
on
the
ferry
coming
over
from
Plattsburgh
and
should
be
here
shortly.
Commissioner
Grant
is
on
Zoom,
commissioner
Comerford
is
ill,
but
should
be
joining
us
on
zoom
and
I'll,
be
looking
forward
to
Chief
Murad
joining
us
I
believe
some
of
the
Deputy
Chiefs
are
on
Zoom.
Is
that
correct,
Muhammad?
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Grant
I'll
lose
in
favor
of
adopting
the
agenda.
Please
say:
aye
aye,
no
opposition
passes
unanimously.
The
next
item
is
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
police.
Commission's
special
meeting
from
March
March
6th
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
minutes
so
moved
by
commissioner
oski
seconded
by
commissioner
Rao,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye.
A
Any
opposition
passes
unanimously.
Moving
on
to
the
minutes
from
the
regular
police
meeting
from
February
28th.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
the
minutes
by
commissioner
oski
seconded
commissioner
Keefe?
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
opposed
passes
unanimously,
I'd
like
to
then
move
on
to
item
3.01.
A
We
typically
have
public
comment
as
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
after
the
minutes.
However,
we
have
a
policy
that
we
need
to
review
tonight,
welcome
Chief
Murad
and
we
we.
So
let
me
explain
a
little
bit
what's
what's
going
on
here,
the
CNA
report
that
reviewed
the
police
department
and
did
an
analysis
made
a
variety
of
recommendations
and
one
of
those
was
to
revise
the
dd03
department
directive,
three,
which
is
related
to
fair
and
impartial
policing.
A
We
have
Mia
Schultz,
who
is
the
president
of
the
NAACP
from
Rutland,
and
we
have
Jeffrey
Jones,
who
is
a
former
Vermont
state
trooper?
We
have
sought
input
also
from
Robert
Appel,
who
is
a
civil
rights
attorney?
I,
don't
see
him
here
and
we
may
get
written
comments
later
on,
but
because
they
both
have
commitments.
We
moved
this
item
to
the
front
of
the
agenda
and
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
this,
we'll
have
public
comment
so
I'd
like
to
call
on
Mia
Schultz.
Thank
you
Mia.
A
B
You
I
I
will
be
handed
with
you.
I,
don't
have
all
of
the
information
about
the
policy
themselves.
I
do
know
that
I
looked
at
some
of
the
information
that
was
provided
to
me
and
I
just
have
comments
in
general
about
some
of
the
FIP
practices
that
I
saw
so
I
just
like
to
talk
about
that
and
in
general
would
have.
B
It
would
be
great
to
see
so
I
apologize
in
ahead
of
time
that
I
have
to
leave
early
and
that
and
that
I
might
not
be
as
prepared
as
maybe
I
would
like
to
have
been.
But
again
my
name
is
Mia
Schultz
and
I
am
the
President
of
the
Rutland
area
NAACP
and
the
NAACP
is
the
largest
civil
rights
organization
in
this
nation.
B
I
understand
that
black
people
in
particular
only
constitute
6.2
percent
of
the
population
and
they
account
for
21
of
the
police,
department's
arrests
and
36
percent
of
the
police
officers
used
forced
upon
them
force
on
them,
and
that's
that
2021
data
that
I'm
sure
you're.
All
aware
of
I've
also
been
aware
that
the
police
department
saw
a
decline
in
use
of
force,
for
example
over
the
past
decade.
But
in
instances
where
officers
use
force
on
black
people,
they
have
proportionately
increased
in
recent
years
and
I
just
actually
perused.
B
As
appropriate,
fair
and
impartial
training
I'd
be
glad
if
I'm
incorrect
in
understanding
that,
let
me
be
clear
that
is
completely
inappropriate
and
unacceptable
to
watch
series
as
fair
and
impartial
police
training,
while
that
docu-series
is
definitely
powerful
and
emotional
and
examines
the
struggle
for
racial
Justice
America.
It's
certainly
not
meant
to
serve
as
a
tool
for
law
enforcement
training
and
those
those
ideas
and
perspectives
are
certainly
complex
and
nuanced,
and
they
simply
cannot
be
condensed
into
simplistic
training
for
police
officers.
B
So
we
urge
law
enforcement
agencies
to
recognize.
Are
you
all
to
recognize
how
that
maybe
watching
that
is
counterproductive
as
a
police
training
tool?
Instead,
I
would
love
to
see
you
seek
out
comprehensive
and
evidence,
evidence-based
training
programs
that
really
address
these
complex
issues
of
racial
Justice
and
policing
in
a
fair,
impartial
manner,
and
so
I
will
hope
this.
This
commission
takes
urgent
action
in
addressing
those
adopt
some
of
those
those
recommendations
that
I
heard
just
listed.
Those
sound
like
great
and
be
great
additions
to
the
policy
again.
B
I
have
not
read
it
and
complete
completely,
but
I
do
know
that
if
it
includes
only
training
around
a
docu-series,
it's
certainly
needs
some
adjustment.
It
requires
a
fundamental
shift
in
the
way
that
we
see
law
enforcement
and
how
it's
operated,
particularly
in
Burlington,
the
United
States,
and
recognize
the
ongoing
struggles
for
racial
Justice
and
equality
and
I
just
came
here
to
express
that
to
you
to
let
you
know
that
there
are
many
people
and
organizations
throughout
this.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Man,
I,
appreciate
it,
and
just
by
way
of
information,
I
did
want
to
point
out
that,
in
fact,
the
department
is
engaged
with
the
center
for
policing
equity
for
training
and
in
fact
the
chief
is
I
believe
it's
in
the
Chiefs
report
tonight
and
he'll
discuss
that.
So
there
is
more
extensive
training.
It's
something
we're
all
very
interested
in
and
I'm
sure
we'll
hear
a
bit
more
from
Chief
Murad
later
on.
A
With
regard
to
that,
though,
thank
you
very
much
Mia
for
being
here
and
taking
the
time
to
look
at
that.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
just
kind
of
engage
in
a
conversation
here.
If
I
might
one
of
the
Communications
between
Shannon
and
I
with
regard
to
the
CNA
recommendations
was
around
the
issue
of
providing
examples
of
bias
and
I
had
a
misunderstanding
with
her
I
had
thought
that
she
was
going
to.
A
They
were
going
to
be
included
in
this
document,
and
that
was
why
we
invited
people
to
comment
on
them
and
she
in
fact,
was
looking
to
us
to
seek
out
stakeholders
to
provide
that.
But
we
have
agreed
that
she
and
chief
Murad
will
be
speaking
with
the
center
for
policing
Equity
to
work
on
those
examples.
C
Well,
thank
you.
I
share,
perhaps
a
different
perspective
than
than
many
on
the
board,
but
that's
only
apparent
I'm,
also
on
the
board
of
the
ACLU
I
traveled
to
30
semi-countries
for
the
United
States
doing
counter
surveillance.
I
was
the
first
black
police
officer
in
Vermont
as
a
state
trooper
and
having
come
to
Williston
Barracks.
Halfway
through
my
career,
I
worked
pretty
closely
with
the
then
Burlington
Police
Department
I'm,
not
here
to
throw
stones,
but
I
do
perceive
a
problem
and
I'm
not
sure
where
the
problem
extends
from
to
the
department.
C
I
think
the
Department's
done
a
tremendous
job
in
the
fact
that
the
Burlington
of
40
years
ago
is
not
the
Burlington
of
now
ethnically.
The
challenge
is
a
great
I
can
quite
remember,
being
taught
being
told
quite
strongly
that
how
an
American
gestures
people
to
come
here
by
the
girth
as
I
was
working
with
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
gets
people
killed
and
that
you
need
to
gesture
with
one
finger:
That's,
How
Bizarre,
and
how
dangerous
making
ethnical
decisions
or
assumptions
comes
from
and
I.
D
C
C
I
can
remember
somebody
who
moved
right
up
to
the
state
police
to
officer
status
and
I
sitting
late
at
night
on
Route,
four
totally
bored,
and
so
we
had
a
discussion
about
how
many
black
german-built
sports
cars
at
three
in
the
morning
will
I
find
on
Friday
night
that
are
going
over
100
miles
an
hour
and
both
of
us
grabbed
them
grabbed
one.
You
know
in
15
minutes
because
they
were
all
headed
up
to
Killington
and
both
of
those
cars
had
dope
in
them
and
all
of
those
cars
were
white.
C
So
what
I'm
saying
is
the
assumption
that
enables
you
to
make
a
stop
or
a
Shakedown
on
the
street
is
not
indicative
of
the
overarching
criminal
situation
and
that's
all
I've
got
to
say
really
and
I
as
I
say:
I
did
a
full
full
tour
with
the
state
police.
Did
a
large
tour
with
counter
surveillance
and
and
I'm
not
here,
to
criticize
I.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Jeff
I
appreciate
it
appreciate
your
input,
I'd
like
to
turn
to
Commissioners,
to
see.
If
you
have
any
so
Shannon,
we
agreed
that
we
would
give
you
some
specific
feedback
right
now
and
then
we
would
review
this
a
revised
version
so
I'd
like
to
see
if
Commissioners,
have
any
specific
comments
or
suggestions
for
changes
to
this
document.
To
this
revised
ddo3.
A
Under
definitions,
Part
D,
Reasonable
Suspicion-
and
this
is
something
I'd
like
to
ask
Chief
Murad,
you
know
his
thoughts
on
it.
I'll
just
give
you
my
thoughts
and,
and
just
this
is
a
suggestion,
and
that
is
that
it
says
Reasonable
Suspicion
suspicion,
for
which
an
officer
can
articulate
factual
reasons,
but
this
that
does
not
need
to
rise
to
the
level
of
probable
cause.
I
would
just
delete
not
need
to
so
it
should
just
say:
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
probable
cause.
E
A
A
A
A
I
also,
if
I
may
make
a
comment
about
the
discussion
about
Netflix
as
a
training,
video
I
mean
I
think
that
I
I
actually
think
it's
valuable
in
my
conversations
with
police
Chiefs
in
in
other
areas.
Is
that
one
of
the
things
that's
important
is
for
us
to
all
be
have
a
more
a
greater
understanding
of
our
racial
history.
So
I
I
think
Chief
Mirad
that
it's
commendable
that
you're,
using
that
as
a
training
tool
and
I,
wouldn't
suggest
something
different
than
that.
I
think
that's.
A
G
That
is
engaged
in
assisting
the
department
to
have
much
more
direct
engagement
with
the
community
and
help
the
trust
building
between
the
community
and
the
police
department,
insofar
as
to
say
that
I'm,
hoping
that
the
department
will
expedite
in
finding
somebody
who
looks
like
the
community
to
be
in
that
position
and
be
in
the
department
at
the
same
time,
but
also
somebody
that
has
the
pedigree
of
knowing
all
parts
of
the
community
their
needs.
Their
concerns.
G
What
other
department
is
lacking
in
terms
of
training
I
would
go
in
as
far
as
saying
such
as
implicit
bias,
training
and
human
rights
training
and
the
new
American
communities,
African-American
communities,
the
lgtpqi
plus
communities.
So
somebody
who's
well
versed
with
all
the
aspects
of
community
relationship
development
because
in
truth,
there
is
a
lacking
of
trust
building
between
the
community
and
the
department.
That's
not
to
say
that
that
the
department
is
solely
responsible
for
that.
It
is
just
the
way
things
worked
out
for
the
past
multiple
years
and
decades,
and
so
so.
E
G
On
and
so
forth,
so
this
past
Christmas,
when
there
was
the
Christmas
lighting,
I've,
seen
department
members
walking
around
interacting
with
the
community
members
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
That
gave
me
some
level
of
reassurance
because
I
really
want
to
see
more
of
the
department
members
getting
out
of
their
cars
and
meeting
up
the
folks
talking
to
them
how
they're
doing
how's.
G
You
know
life
going
on
Beyond
just
responding
to
an
issue,
because
trust
is
based
on
how
much
you
relate
to
the
other
human
being
and
how
you
listen
to
them,
what
their
concerns
are,
but
also
just
in
their
General
Life.
You
know,
without
necessarily
having
to
put
into
a
bureaucratic
stance
in
front
of
them.
G
From
now
that
we'd
be
able
to
reflect
and
look
at
it
and
say:
hey,
you
know
what
we
were
able
to
achieve
that
and
there's
a
achieving
timeline
that
we
can
look
back
and
say.
This
is
what
we
have
done
thus
far,
and
this
is
where
we
need
to
go
as
far
as
the
community
and
the
department
relationship
is
concerned.
So
I
feel
hopeful
for
the
future
of
our
city.
G
I
feel
that
the
more
that
we
have
a
very
diverse
members
of
our
community
involved
in
this
type
of
Engagement
between
department
members,
as
well
as
the
department,
unions,
organizations,
public
Civic
engagement
groups
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
The
merrier
I
think,
and
so.
In
short,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
work
that
you
all
do,
as
well
as
to
the
service
that
the
farmer
members
provide
to
our
city
as
well.
H
H
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
now
yeah
there
we
go
all
right.
So
the
first
comment
I'd
like
to
make
is
in
reference
to
agenda
item
four.
There
was
a
suggestion:
I
believe
it
was
by
counselor
Hightower,
but
I
might
not
be
correct
on
that
at
the
ward.
One
NPA
on
March,
8th,
the
mpa
meeting,
was
also
focused
as
agenda
item.
Four
is
on
how
to
encourage
more
participation
in
the
proceedings,
and
the
suggestion
that
was
put
forward
was
to
craft
an
agenda
item
for
each
meeting.
That
is
specifically
intended
to
facilitate
public
discussion.
H
So
the
other
item
I
wanted
to
speak
about-
excuse
me,
is
of
about
the
departure
of
commissioner
Grant
Milo
and
I
first
met
in
2012
I
was
working
at
the
polling
place
in
ward
3
at
the
newly
named
sustainability,
Academy
and
I
checked
in
Milo
at
the
check-in
table
for
for
voting
and
I
said
I
still
remember
it
I
said
wow.
Your
name
actually
is
Milo
Grant,
I
love
your
radio
show
and
I
think
that
you've
got
a
great
DJ
name.
H
So
you
know
I've
I've
known
about
Milo
in
the
community
for
a
very
long
time,
but
since
joining
the
commission,
we
have
really
connected
over
the
past
several
years
around
the
work
of
the
police,
commission
and
I've
seen
the
journey
that
she's
on
and
I
really
commend
the
work
that
she's
done.
I
think
that
we
are
very
lucky
as
a
city
to
be
gaining
her
as
a
city
councilor,
but
I
think
it's
really
unfortunate
that
we
are
losing
her
as
a
police
commissioner.
I
I
Why
am
I
speaking
here
to
address
a
worry
I,
have
about
the
ongoing
issues
reflected
in
our
recent
town
meeting
day,
vote,
media
and
social
media
conversations
and
many
of
the
opinions
I've
seen
and
heard
expressed
about
policing
leading
up
to
the
vote.
Invalid
item
number
seven,
while
I'm
heartened,
it's
wrong
word
that
the
ballot
question
did
not
pass
I'm
troubled.
I
D
I
There
were
significant
problems
with
what
was
being
proposed.
I,
don't
think
the
work
was
misguided
or
inappropriate.
Perhaps
only
single-minded
I
also
hope
that
our
city
leaders
understand
that
many
who
voted
against
ballot
item
number
seven
did
so,
despite
the
belief,
The
Proposal
contain
valuable
ideas.
I
We
should
all
agree
that
the
issues
raised
around
police,
accountability,
training,
transparency
and
leadership
are
real
past
incidents
in
Burlington
involving
officers
and
leaders
have
Illustrated.
This
will
ballot
item
number
seven
seem
to
ignore.
Was
the
existence
of
ongoing
work
to
address
these
concerns
and
that
the
mayor,
the
police,
commission
and
acting
Chief
Murad
all
believe
Improvement
is
needed,
so
what's
missing?
I
What's
missing
is
the
public
awareness
of
these
ongoing
efforts
like
today
that
could
decrease
the
polarization
and
mistrust
of
the
police
department
that
resulted
partly
in
ballot
item
number.
Seven,
what's
missing
is
a
narrative
that
can
engage
our
citizens
and
inform
them
about
all
your
hard
work.
Currently,
that
story
is
hard
to
find.
It
took
me
a
while
to
find
the
agenda
for
tonight's
meeting
unless
your
story
can
reach
those
who
haven't
heard
or
choose
not
to
listen.
Our
polarized
discussions
will
continue.
I
I
highly
encourage
mayor,
Weinberger,
actor,
Chief
Murad
and
this
police
commission
to
not
only
maintain
your
forward
momentum
addressing
public
concerns
around
fair
and
impartial
policing,
implicit
and
explicit
bias,
cultural
competency,
transparency
and
accountability,
but
to
also
publicly
embrace
the
ongoing
conversation
and
sentiment
expressed
in
ballot
item
number.
Seven
make
that
conversation
your
own,
embrace
the
idea
of
welcoming
all
into
the
dialogue
and
making
sure
all
I
have
access
to
it.
Well,
this
is
not
change.
Well.
This
will
not
change
all
Minds
We'll
Meet
Your
Real
obligation
to
be
informative
to
us.
I
The
citizens
don't
fall
back
on
the
idea
that
a
public
public
meeting
is
enough.
Clearly
it
isn't,
most
importantly,
show
all
the
citizens
of
Burlington
that
this
Administration
and
this
Police
Department
is
working
hard
to
create
and
deploy
an
empathetic,
modern,
well-trained
police
force
dedicated
to
the
Safety
and
Security
of
all
burlingtonians.
I
I
A
J
J
I
spent
many
hours
talking
with
community
members
and
hearing
their
thoughts
about
police
and,
in
particular
matters
of
accountability
and
transparency
and
I
heard
from
a
lot
of
Voters
and
a
lot
of
community
members
that
they
feel
that
this
could
be
an
appropriate
site
for
that
work
to
happen.
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
were
like
well.
The
police
commission
can
do
that.
J
E
K
K
K
K
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
charter
change,
in
addition
to
all
the
wonderful
work
that
you're
doing
and
all
the
progress
that
that's
been
made
and
I
would
like
to
propose
looking
at
the
way
the
fire
department,
disciplinary
process
works
and
that
the
city
council
have
will
have
the
ultimate
Authority
on
Discipline
matters
and
I.
Don't
see
why
the
you
know
if
the
fire
firefighters
Union
can
live
with
that.
Surely
the
Officers
Association
can
also
live
with
that.
So
please
consider
that
the
harder
language
there.
L
Hello,
my
name
is
Lee
Morgan,
my
pronouns.
Are
they
them?
I
live
in
ward
7.,
so
I
am
also
on
the
steering
committee
of
the
awards.
Four
and
seven
NPA
and
we
were
discussing
or
we
had
actually
counselor
Sarah
Carpenter
suggests
at
our
last
meeting
that
we
consider
doing
a
meeting
dedicated
to
a
conversation
on
Public
Safety,
which
I
I
think
is,
is
going
to
happen,
at
least
for
our
MPA
I
think
it
might
happen
for
others.
So
I
would
encourage
you
folks
to
stay
plugged
into
that.
M
L
So
it's
I
think
it
just
really
goes
to
speak,
that
whatever
area
of
the
city
you're
in
you're
gonna
have
a
different
experience
with
Public
Safety,
just
the
area
and
then
also
your
own
personal
background,
whether
you
yourself
have
had
law
enforcement
interactions
or
professional
experience
or
not
I
mean
you
know
and
I
I
can
say
living
in
Ward,
seven,
the
the
public
safety
issues
we
experience
in
Ward
7
are
very,
very
different
from
you
know,
downtown
or
you
know
the
old
North
End.
So
you
were
just
you
know.
L
We're
gonna
just
have
a
different
experience
in
in
advice,
so
I
I
hope
that
each
NPA
will
will
take
that
suggestion.
I
think
it's
a
strong
possibility
and
look
forward
to
seeing
you
folks
at
some
NPA
meetings.
I
know,
commissioner
Grant.
That's
that's
been
something
that
that
you've
been
involved
involved
in
and
yeah.
H
L
A
O
Can
you
hear
me?
Thank
you
oh
perfect.
Thank
you.
Okay,
so
I'm
Amy,
malinowski
I
live
in
Ward,
one
I'm,
a
white
CIS
woman
and
I'm
speaking
today
as
a
reminder
to
City
leadership
and
the
acting
chief.
That
Burlington
is
watching
almost
almost
40
percent
of
Burlington
voted
yes
on
seven,
despite
thousands
of
dollars
of
misinformation,
mailed
to
their
doors,
we're
watching
and
we're
not
going
away.
We
deserve
Public
Safety
for
everyone
and
accountability
for
everyone.
O
I
hope
that
City
leadership
honors
their
commitments
and
are
Cooperative
with
the
police
commission,
which
I
know
has
been
desperately
trying
to
make
progress
on
police
accountability
and
I,
know
much
of
what
I'm
about
to
say
is
already
on
the
minds
of
police
Commissioners.
But
I
want
to
be
one
more
voice
reiterating
this,
which
is
that
a
core
part
of
ballot
item
number
seven
was
five
pillars
of
accountability
or
an
oversight
body,
and
this
guidance
was
born
from
the
black
LED
Battery
Park
movement
and
I.
O
So,
besides,
just
like
resurfacing
those
pillars,
I
also
as
folks
are
moving
forward
on
reforming
what
oversight
looks
like
I
want
to
keep
this
question
at
the
front?
How
might
the
police,
commission
and
City
leadership
ensure
they
are
centering?
The
voices
of
those
who
are
the
most
pleased-
and
this
question
seems
to
be
on
the
mind
of
many
folks,
speaking
at
public
forum
tonight,
so
I'm,
just
an
echo
and
lastly,
I-
want
to
express
heart
deep,
ever
flowing
gratitude
for
you,
commissioner
Grant.
Thank
you
Milo.
Thank
you
Milo.
A
P
Thank
you,
commissioner
saguino.
So
thanks
I've
prepared
this.
Thank
you.
Muhammad
we'll
go
through
this
relatively
quickly,
I
hope
and
then
move
on
to
something
that
you'd
requested,
which
was
a
discussion
of
this.
So
I'll
come
back
to
this
slide,
which
is
about
the
fair
and
impartial
policing
we
had
an
airport
incident
earlier
this
month,
a
plane
was
discovered
to
have
a
threat
on
board
just
prior
to
its
Landing.
It
landed.
P
We
worked
with
a
number
of
Partners
our
job
as
the
Burlington
Police
Department
in
an
incident
like
this
is
mostly
oriented
around
security
and
escort
for
people
who
are
not
cleared
to
be
in
the
airport,
and
we
worked
with
Federal
Partners,
the
TSA
and
the
FBI,
and
ultimately
also,
of
course,
great
partners
with
the
state
police
and
the
South
Burlington
Police
Department,
for
a
resolution
that
resulted
in
in
safe
passengers
and
a
safe
airplane
and
and
the
safe
airport.
Next,
please,
thank
you.
We
did
some
equipment
training.
P
We
had
a
number
of
deployments
this
month
of
our
emergency
response
vehicle
and
our
Emergency
Response
Unit
and
our
crisis
negotiations
unit
most
of
those
occasions,
press
releases.
But
this
is
our
crisis
negotiations,
unit
training
with
something
called
a
throw
phone.
We
do
a
lot
of
training
with
these
teams
and
we
are
called
on
by
a
lot
of
our
neighboring
agencies
to
augment
their
resources
when
they
run
into
situations
that
meet
our
expertise
and
and
our
specialized
tools
and
tactics,
and
there
are
links
in
this
document.
P
It's
published
both
on
the
board
docs
under
this
police
commission
meeting
and
on
the
Burlington
Police
Department's
webpage
in
the
on
the
City
of
Burlington
website,
and
you
can
click
on
these
links
to
see,
for
example,
a
document
about
the
Erv
the
next
please.
Thank
you.
We
created
a
new
video
around
use
of
force
tactics
that
we
are
really
pioneering
here
in
this
State.
The
use
of
Jiu
Jitsu
is
something
that
other
departments
have
studied.
There
are
some
real
demonstrations
of
efficacy
in
other
departments
around
reduced
injury
for
officers
and
subjects
alike.
P
It
diminishes
the
use
of
strikes
which
can
be
harmful
to
both
parties
and
emphasizes
grappling
and
other
control
holds
it's
largely
created
by
Sergio
caldieri,
who
is
the
officer
in
the
center
there,
and
the
video
is
available
on
our
YouTube
site.
In
addition,
there
is,
of
course,
a
full
landing
page
on
use
of
force
that
characterizes
all
of
our
monthly
incidents.
P
Talks
about
leads
to
video
for
incidents
that
involve
tools
or
Serious
injury
or
occasion,
significant
public
concern
and
also
has
a
flow
chart
for
how
we
process
and
review
all
incidents
and
data
on
those
as
well.
Next,
please,
we
brought
aboard
a
several
new
police
officers
in
February.
They
are
now
down
at
the
police
academy.
We
are
also
working
hard
on
other
positions.
P
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
page,
please
we're
still
at
65
total
55
are
available
and
we
there
that
is
still
22
officers
on
patrol,
but
once
those
three
officers
who
are
currently
on
fto
get
off
that'll
be
a
little
higher
and
once
the
six
officers
it's
actually
five
now
one
was
injured,
he's
still
an
employee
and
and
we're
eager
to
see
him
get
rehabilitated
and
rejoin
the
next
Academy
class.
But
once
the
five
were
currently
in
the
police
academy
join
us.
P
You
know
that
moves
up
to
to
30
and-
and
we
we
get
closer
to
the
numbers
that
we
need.
We
anticipate
other
departures
as
well
we're
doing
what
we
can
to
try
to
incentivize
retention
next,
please,
thank
you
and
and
part
of
retention.
Is
this
and-
and
you
know,
growth
is
this-
this
is
a
slide
that
I
put
in
almost
every
month,
simply
because
anybody
who
comes
to
this
may
be
seeing
it
for
the
first
time
and
not
have
been
here
for
the
February
presentation
or
the
April
presentation
of
last
year.
P
What
have
you,
but
this
is
our
starting
pay
top
pay
when
this
current
contract
matures
is
a
hundred
for
non-supervisory
officers,
and
we
do
have
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
hiring
bonus
currently
next,
please
we're
also,
of
course,
building
unique,
unique
roles,
things
that
no
other
department
in
the
state
has,
and
that
includes
our
community
service
officers
and
our
csls.
We
currently
have
five
csls.
Actually
we
have
six.
As
of
today.
Excuse
me:
we
have
five
plus
a
c
CSS.
That's
the
supervisor,
which
is
Lacey
Smith.
P
We
have
another
in
in
the
hopper.
We
have
a
couple
of
different
communities
service
officers
ready
in
background,
so
I
actually
think
that
number
five
is
now
six
for
the
csos,
but
it's
five
for
the
CSL.
Still
we're
authorized
to
have
six,
and
and
should
quite
soon,
our
revised
priority
response
plan
which
contextualizes
the
data
that
follows
next
page.
Please
incident
volume
it's
up
this
year,
it's
up
quite
a
bit.
It's
up!
P
Actually
it's
up
25
24
over
last
year
at
this
time
it's
up
37
over
2021
and
it
is
down.
However,
from
years
those
years
proceeding,
it
should
be
noted
that
March
15th
was
the
very
beginning
of
the
pandemic
in
2020,
and
so
that
data
for
March
we'll
see
we
will
soon
see
this
year
overtake
2020
as
well
as
2021
and
2022.
It
just
doesn't
happen
at
this
point,
because
the
the
pandemic
had
not
yet
begun.
Next,
please.
P
P
P
On
the
high
end,
we'll
see
you
can
see
that
2022,
which
is
the
green
line,
ended
Far
and
Away
higher
than
any
of
the
previous
years
since
2017
2023
right
now
is
on
track,
but
it's
it's
early
to
tell
we're
in
a
very
early
stage,
difficult
to
tell
a
lot
of
noise
in
this
Priority
One
incident
chart
next,
please
not
a
lot
of
noise
in
this
one.
Unfortunately,
this
is
overdoses.
These
are
not
fatal
overdoses.
P
These
are
any
overdose
to
which
officers
respond
that
are
reported
to
the
police
and
entered
into
our
valve
core
system.
You
can
see
that
on
on
June
1st
of
2022,
something
extreme
happened,
we're
not
entirely
certain
what
it
is.
We
can't
find
a
direct
correlation
to
that.
The
hotel
program
may
have
been
contributory,
but
it
did
not
end
on
June
1st.
It
was
actually
at
the
end
of
that
month,
but
something
happens
on
June
1st
of
2022
and
it
takes
off
like
a
rocket.
P
P
The
second,
the
very
the
number
two,
the
second
Slide,
the
fair
and
partial
policing
slide.
Thank
you
that
one
right
there.
So
this
is
the
fair
and
impartial
policing
training.
There
are
a
number
of
links
in
this,
so
this
past
month
and
into
April,
we
have
been
conducting
an
Innovative
facilitated
training
with
the
center
for
policing
equity,
which
is
a
nationally
recognized
non-profit.
It
was
founded
by
then
Denver
Police,
Department
division,
Chief,
Tracy,
Casey
and
Professor
Phil,
Goff
I
know
both
Chief
keeci
and
Professor.
Goff
I
took
implicit
bias.
P
So,
as
per
Rule
13
for
calendar
2023
all
level
three
police
officers-
and
that's
the
only
kind
Burlington
has
we
do
not
have
part-time
level
two
or
level
one
police
officers
all
level.
Three
police
officers
are
required
to
complete
30
hours
of
in-service
training
and
that
training
has
to
include
a
fair
and
impartial
policing.
P
Section
that's
done
in
person,
and
the
fair
and
impartial
policing
section
must
include
components
that
are
identified
in
20,
VSA
2366
and
as
per
the
city's
2020
resolution,
the
city
staff
must
complete
trainings
or
events
that
explore
the
roots,
impacts
and
solutions
to
systemic
oppression,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
systemic
racism.
Two
times
per
year.
The
resolution
goes
on
to
say
that
those
trainings
should
ensure
proactive
confrontation
of
the
role
of
systemic
State
sanctioned
oppression.
P
So
in
2021
we
satisfied
both
of
these
requirements
through
a
multi-session
iterated
training
that
we
did
with
trustee
loving
in
2022.
The
city
did
training
through
the
office
of
racial
Equity
inclusion
and
belonging
or
reib,
and
shift
workers
were
scheduled
to
begin
that
training.
But
the
ri
reib
experienced
some
staffing
changes
that
precluded
shift
workers
from
getting
that
training
in
2022
and,
as
a
result,
I
engaged
CPE
for
this
CPE.
P
It
had
also
been
on
the
the
tongues
of
the
police
commission
through
your
recommendations,
but
I
went
to
director
Casey
to
I
still
call
her
Deputy
Commissioner
kisi
I
saw
her
again
in
October
at
the
iacp
and
began
putting
together
this
plan,
and
since
last
year,
of
course,
reib
has
a
great
new
leader.
Kim
Carson
is
the
new
director
there.
This
training
plan
was
shared
with
her.
P
She
engaged
with
John
Monahan,
who
was
the
person
from
CPE
doing
the
training
and
discussed
sort
of
how
to
help
shape
the
the
training
with
John.
So,
although
I've
noted
that
this
training
is
is
required,
we
could
not
approach
it
as
a
check
the
box
Endeavor.
It
was
incumbent
on
the
police
department
to
engage
with
this,
and
we
know
that
across
Society
there
are
persistent
racial
disparities.
They
are
included,
but
not
limited
to
Health,
Care
outcomes
and
home
ownership
and
educational
access
and
attainment
and
income
and
wealth.
P
Now
disparity
does
not
automatically
equal
bias,
but
there
should
be
no
doubt
that
four
centuries
of
inequality
plays
a
huge
role
and
that
history
is
part
of
our
inheritance,
As,
Americans
and
as
cops,
and
because
there
are
disparities
in
National,
Police
metrics
too,
and
here
in
Burlington
disparities
and
arrest
rates
and
use
of
force
numbers
we
need.
We
cannot
be
complacent
in
confronting
or
examining
that,
even
if
again,
disparity
does
not
automatically
equal
bias
and
I
I
believe
that
this
training
is
going
to
help
the
department
do
that.
P
The
six
episode
Netflix
docu-series,
amend
the
fight
for
America
Chronicles,
a
historical
perspective
on
the
struggle
for
citizenship,
due
process
and
equal
rights,
and
it
does
this
through
the
lens
of
the
United
States
Constitution's
14th
Amendment.
The
series
presents
stories
and
legislation
and
court
rulings
that
ultimately
led
to
the
adoption
of
the
14th
and
19th
amendments
to
the
Constitution
cpe's
trainers
with
whom
I
work.
They
have
policing
backgrounds.
They
came
to
Burlington
in
person
and
over
two
days
per
group,
we
divided
the
entire
department
into
four
groups.
P
Each
of
those
two.
Those
groups
went
through
two
days
of
facilitated
viewings
of
the
six
episodes
and
then
guided
discussion
with
these
trainers,
and
the
goal
was
to
learn
about
how
systems
of
Oppression
hindered
the
extension
of
equal
citizenship
and
due
process
to
black
people,
to
women,
to
immigrants
to
members
of
the
lgbtq
community,
and
we
also
are
exploring
different
views
of
the
Constitution
and
the
founding
of
the
United
States
and
how
those
influence
behavior
and
how
those
differing
views
affect
police
legitimacy.
So
I
watched
the
series.
P
After
doing
so,
I
I
proposed
this
training
model
to
Dr
Casey
and
her
team
and
among
several
aspects
of
the
series.
What
I
was
intrigued
by
was
his
emphasis
on
due
process
and
I
believe
that
was
a
way
of
finding
something
that
would
resonate
with
the
officers,
because
it's
sometimes
something
that
the
officers
fear
they
will
not
be
afforded
in
various
ways
and
at
various
times,
and
the
proper
application
of
due
process
is
the
foundation
of
fairness
and
it's
not
always
been
applied
equally
to
all
Americans.
In
some
cases
it
is
still
not.
P
There
were
parts
of
the
training
and
the
episodes
that
make
the
viewers
that
is
employees
of
the
police
department,
As
Americans,
but
also
as
members
of
the
police
department,
uncomfortable
and
I
encouraged
officers
not
to
share
shy
away
from
that.
There
were
parts
of
those
episodes
that
they
would
have
disagree
with,
including
what
some
of
the
featured
speakers
say
and
I
told
them
not
to
shy
away
from
that
as
well.
P
Disagreement
is
allowed
robust,
pointed
conversations
were
encouraged,
but
they
had
to
be
professional
and
civil
and
nevertheless,
the
more
engaged
the
more
effective
these
sessions
would
be.
So
this
was
mandatory
training.
We
are
half
done
with
it.
That
is
two
of
the
four
groups
of
the
department
have
conducted
it.
P
If
officers
miss
it,
they
have
to
make
up
for
it
because
it
does
affect
their
certification
and
and
what
I
said
in
in
sharing
this
plan
with
the
police
department
was
that
that
back
in
January
as
I
prepared
an
annual
internal
message
for
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
day
I
spent
part
of
that
day.
Reading
I
read
Langston
Hughes
and
theme
for
English
b
I
I
read
Frederick
douglass's.
P
What
to
the
slave
is
the
Fourth
of
July
and
James
Baldwin's
journey
to
Atlanta,
but
I
also
went
to
YouTube
and
I
watched
again
a
speech
from
2008
given
in
Philadelphia.
That
has
always
moved
me.
Then
Presidential
candidate,
Barack
Obama's,
a
more
perfect
union
is
a
tribute
to
the
American
experiment
and
it
explicitly
rejects
what
he
called
and
I
quote
a
profoundly
distorted
view
of
this
country,
a
view
that
sees
white
racism
as
endemic
and
that
elevates
what
is
wrong
with
America.
Above
all,
that
we
know
is
right
with
America.
P
What
is
right
and
I
end
the
quote
there.
What
is
right
and
said
candidate
Obama
is
that
America
can
change.
I
quote
him
again:
America
can
change.
That
is
the
true
genius
of
this
nation.
I
believe
that
I
think
that
Constitutional
Amendments,
like
the
14th
and
the
19th,
are
proof
and
on
a
personal
level.
I
believe
this
too.
P
But
personal
change
doesn't
come
from
a
two-thirds
majority
of
Congress
proposing
in
a
3
4
fourths
majority
of
the
states
ratifying
as
it
does
for
amend
on
an
individual
level
changing
and
improving,
comes
from
learning
and
I
told
the
employees
of
the
police
department
that
I
hope
that
they
would
do
that
together.
I
am
gratified
to
say
that
the
two
trainers
who
attended
John,
Monahan
and
Sean
Eldridge
told
me
after
the
first
two
sessions
that
they
had
not
seen
many
police
departments
that
had
stronger
internal
culture.
A
Chief,
thank
you
very
much.
Let
me
open
it
up
to
Commissioners
for
comments
and
I
want
to
just
remind
you
all
that
we're
a
bit
behind
in
the
agenda
and
Shannon
tremel
is
waiting
for
us
to
get
to
dd43.
So
just
a
word
of
caution.
If
I
might
any
Commissioners
have
any
comments
about
the
chief's
report,
commissioner
Grant.
M
Thank
you,
I
have
a
couple
of
statements
and
then
a
couple
of
questions
regarding
the
increased
incidents
and
the
increase
in
drug
overdoses.
I
don't
find
this
surprising.
Unfortunately,
the
city
does
not
have
a
plan
to
deal
with
the
drug
crisis,
and
it's
only
getting
worse.
We
are
going
into
warmer
weather
and
I
believe
we'll
see
a
lot
of
the
same
patterns
that
we
saw
last
year
and
I
think
they
might
get
worse
if,
if
we
don't
actually
have
a
plan
to
deal
with
them,
so
that
was
my
statement.
M
P
M
A
question
that
I
have
and
I'm
kind
of
curious
about.
As
you
mentioned,
we
had
brought
up
CPE
many
times
many
many
many
times.
Why?
Wouldn't
you
have
come
to
the
police,
commission
or
at
least
notified
us
that
you
were
going
to
finally
move
ahead
with
CPE
I
mean
I,
appreciate
that
you
did
and
I
I
I
just
continue
to
be
really
concerned
about
issues
around
communication.
It's
like
we
have
to
find
out
about
certain
stuff
from
other
people
like
I
I
was
just
surprised
like.
M
Oh,
he
just
talked
about
it
at
a
press
conference.
I
just
would
have
thought
I,
I,
just
think
it
would
have
been
more
respectful
to
have
let
the
police
commission
know
in
advance
and
given
us
an
opportunity,
maybe
we
could
have
attended.
Maybe
we
couldn't.
We
all
have
different
work
schedules,
but
I
just
would
have
appreciated,
given
how
much
we've
talked
about
it
and
the
level
of
concern
that
we've
had
to
have
been
given
the
the
heads
up.
M
So
I'll
just
mention
that
and
in
terms
of
what
our
officers
got
out
of
the
training
did
anything
any
of
them
reflect
on
ways
that
they
could,
when
they're,
interacting
with
individuals
in
certain
parts
of
our
community.
So,
for
example,
in
Wards,
two
and
three
we've,
unfortunately
had
some
negative
interactions
and
they
sometimes
are
based
on
the
background
of
an
individual.
P
The
with
regard
to
attending
frankly,
the
the
the
kind
of
conversation
that
we
got
out
of
it
would
not
be
possible
if,
if
members
of
this
body
attended
and
I
certainly
would
like
to
to
fix
that
relationship
to
make
that
not
the
case.
But
it
is
currently
the
case
and
then,
with
regard
to
your
question,
you
know
I
that
no
specific
incidents
weren't
brought
up
in
this
actually
I
don't
know.
I
was
not
in
I,
attended
all
the
training
on
day,
one
with
the
first
group
I
did
not
attend.
P
The
training
with
the
second
group.
Even
I
had
to
think
hard
about
whether
to
attend
the
training
with
the
group,
because
I
did
not
want
my
presence
to
change
the
way
in
which
they
interacted
or
or
engage
aged
with
one
another,
and
so
I
I
can't
tell
you
what
they
did
or
didn't
talk
about
in
the
second
group.
I
know
that
they
did
not
in
the
group
that
I
was
a
part
of.
M
Certainly
respect
we
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
pushback
on
some
of
the
work
that
the
commission's
been
trying
to
do
with
accountability,
transparency
and
oversight,
but
I
would
have
liked
the
opportunity
for
us
to
have
had
some
of
that
more
specific
information
in
advance
and
I
know
the
first
time
I
heard
about
CPU
accepting
help
from
CPE
was
at
a
press
conference.
It
wasn't
at
a
meeting.
That
would
be
it
for
all
my
comments
and
questions
for
now.
Thank
you.
P
A
It
would
be,
in
my
view,
inappropriate
to
have
Commissioners
participate
in
that
group
without
having
the
approval
of
all
of
the
Commissioners
about
the
recommendations
that
we
were
going
to
make,
and
so
the
idea
was
very
ambitiously
and
unrealistically
now,
I
realize
for
us
to
have
coalesced
around
some
ideas
by
this
meeting.
I
did
ask
Commissioners,
oski
and
Keith
to
look
at
a
variety
of
Civilian
oversight,
models
and
begin
to
put
together
a
matrix
that
we
could
use
to
discuss.
A
A
And
so
we
are
I'm
going
to
Simply
say
that
this
is
going
to
be
ongoing,
going
work
and
we
are
going
to
have
to
continue
to
bring
this
up
at
meetings
and
to
see
how
much
we
can
put
together
so
that,
whatever
representation
we
have
on
the
committee
that
the
city
council
is
putting
together
represents
the
will
of
the
whole
commission
rather
than
individual
members
of
the
commission
and
I.
Would
invite
any
comments
on
what
I've
said
by
any
other
commissioners.
A
A
We've
separated
the
mayor
mayor,
separated
out
the
discussion
of
the
complaint,
which
is
confidential
and
with
some
things
just
for
us
to
note
and
I
am
doing
this-
put
this
on
the
agenda
again
as
part
of
our
effort
for
the
commission
to
to
contribute
to
what
the
community
clearly
asked
for,
which
is
transparency
and
accountability.
So
I'm
going
to
just
mention
a
couple
of
items
here
and
I'm,
going
to
invite
fellow
Commissioners
to
comment
as
well.
The
memo
is
on
board
docs.
A
A
So
in
any
case,
in
the
current
scenario,
when
it
comes
to
high
level,
complaints
or
uses
of
force,
the
commission,
the
the
chief,
brings
his
his
recommendations
to
the
commission.
We
can
agree,
we
can
ask
for
more
information
or
we
can
disagree.
We
don't
have
the
authority
to
the
chief.
Has
the
final
say:
shall
we
say
and
in
the
complaint
policy
it
says
that,
with
the
majority
vote
from
the
commission,
we
can
then
bring
this
issue
to
the
mayor.
A
It
should
be
understood
that,
under
our
curtain
system,
the
mayor
cannot
serve
as
an
appeal
body
for
disciplinary
Decisions
by
the
chief
that
the
commission
does
not
agree
with
I'm
just
stating
this,
as
this
is
the
state
of
where
we
are
now
and
nevertheless,
I
think
that
what
we
do
have
is
a
process
where
we
can
exchange
ideas,
discuss
and
debate
differences
of
opinion
and
where
we
go
with
this
with,
it
will
be
up
to
the
ordinance
committee
and
the
charter
change
committee.
There
were
a
few
other
items
in
this
that
were
important.
A
In
my
view,
one
of
them
has
been
about
the
commission's
access
to
information,
because
we
do
review
incidents.
We
do
review
complaints
and
uses
of
force.
We
have.
We
have
felt
it
I.
Think
part
of
the
complaint
policy
gives
us
the
authority
to
access
certain
information,
but
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
that
there
is
there
there's
a
level
of
mistrust,
and
so
there
are
times
that
we
get
redacted
documents
from
the
police
department.
A
The
mayor
therefore
has
said
that
the
city
attorney's
office
will
review
any
investigative
reports
and
they
will
be
redacting.
Those
reports
to
send
to
us-
and
as
a
note
here,
this
is
a
I
think,
a
temporary
solution
we
have
requested
and
I
think
are
in
discussion
with
the
chief
about
a
non-disclosure
agreement,
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
build
some
trust
with
a
non-disclosure
agreement
to
have
access
to
the
materials
that
we
need
to
provide.
A
A
Another
item
on
this
memo
is
that
the
mayor
has
instructed
that
both
the
commission
and
the
chief
exchange
our
discussions
with
regard
to
complaints
and
uses
of
force
in
writing,
so
that
there
will
now
be
documentation
of
these
various
complaints
and
so
forth
and
I.
Think
that
is
simply
important
again
for
for
accountability
and
transparency
and,
finally,
there's
a
minor
item
in
terms
of
how
we
submit
our
reports
to
the
mayor
when
we
bring
items
to
him
for
to
discuss,
I'm
gonna
leave
it
at
that
and
I'm
gonna
see.
A
D
Would
just
as
a
moment
of
reflection,
I
would
say
it's
been
a
learning
process.
The
the
compliance
process
is
really
Guided
by
the
complaints
policy,
which
I
think
was
posted
on
board.
Docs
I
think
if,
if
anyone's
taking
the
time
to
read
it,
it
would
it's
it's
a
pretty
high
level,
fairly
vague
document
and
I.
D
Think
through
practice,
we've
had
I
I,
would,
you
know,
say,
as
a
volunteer
civilian
oversight
review
body,
it
really
does
depend
on
on
cooperation
with
the
police
and
I
would
say
you
know,
despite
the
growing
pains
and
getting
the
procedures
in
place,
you
know
and
the
redaction
issues.
Every
document
that
we've
requested
we've
received
in
a
timely
manner
and
I
would
really
like
to
thank
the
Burlington
Police
Department
and
particularly
D.C
LaBarge
for
his
work.
That
has
really
facilitated
a
dialogue.
We
are
really
facilitating
information
that
comes
from
the
public.
D
How
much
transparency
around
that
I
I
sense
from
public
comment?
The
public
would
like
more
as
that
process
evolves,
I
think
we're
getting
guidance
from
Public,
Safety
Committee,
the
city,
attorney's
office,
I
I.
Think
I
would
just
ask
the
public
I
really
appreciate
the
comments
we
take
them
seriously.
I
think
the
Burlington
Police
Department
does
as
well.
We
thank
you
for
your
patience.
I.
Think
it's
an
evolving
process
and
is
growing
organically
I
was
encouraged
by
The
Man
by
the
mayor's
memo.
D
I
think
the
requirement
of
having
a
written
exchange
of
documents
is
a
great
Improvement
of
when
I
joined.
The
commission
back
in
July
I
think
that
itself
has
improved
a
lot
more
of
the
rigor
in
terms
of
the
investigation
that
we
do.
We
don't
have
full
investiga
investigatory
Powers,
but
we
are
asking
critical
questions
and
getting
information
and
having
that
dialogue
and
I
think
that
has
been
it's.
It's
I
think
that
process
is
evolving
and
becoming
more
productive,
and
so
I
would
just
like
to
again
thank
the
police
for
their
cooperation.
D
Ask
the
public
for
some
Indulgence
and
some
patience,
I
think
as
we're
working
through
these
processes
with
with
the
city's
Attorney
office
and
and
the
Public
Safety
Committee.
We
are
looking
at
various
models.
I
I
would
say
of
the
preliminary
work
that
we've
done,
I'm
feeling
highly
encouraged
in.
In
terms
of
the
work
that
that
I
think
will
eventually
come
out
and
be
made
more
available
both
to
city
council
and
to
the
public
at
large,
so
just
thank
you
all
for
allowing
us
to
space
to
work
through
this.
D
A
A
A
The
policy
review
the
week,
so
this
is
dd43,
and
this
is
reporting
of
corruption
and
other
misconduct
and
again
the
police
department.
Thank
you,
Shannon
for
doing
this
worked
with
the
police
department
to
incorporate
the
recommendations
of
CNA.
We
sent
this
back
last
time
and
asked
for
a
few
adjustments
here.
One
of
those
was
to
more
fully
respond
to
the
cna's
recommendation.
Is
that
they?
A
Let
me
back
up
and
say
this,
that
the
policy
identifies
four
possible
reporting
mechanisms
for
officers
who
would
like
to
report.
Corruption
and
misconduct
and
CNA
asked
that
the
policy
reflect
how
they
differ
and
what
the
advantages
disadvantages
of
each
reporting
mechanism
are,
and
there
were
a
few
other
minor
changes.
Shannon.
Is
there
anything
that
you'd
like
to
add
oops.
F
Nope
I
think
I
think
that
was
it.
The
only
other
thing
that
was
requested
for
commissioner
Keith
was
to
keep
it
consistent.
While
on
the
previous
version,
it
said
if
you
were
reporting
to
a
deputy
chief
that
you
needed
to
make
that
report
in
writing,
and
we
have
changed
that
in
this
version
as
well
to
be
consistent
with
the
other
ones.
That
say
may
require
to
be
reported
in
writing.
F
Correct,
yes,
the
recommendation
I
think
that
adding
this
language
also
clarified
that
it's
the
employee's
choice
to
make
the
the
to
to
choose
the
method
that
they're
most
comfortable
with
based
on
timing-
and
you
know
perhaps
who
it's
against
they.
You
know
they
may
prefer
to
go
to
HR
directly,
and
that
is
completely
their
choice
to
choose
any
of
the
four
mechanisms,
but
no
matter
which
method
that
they
choose.
F
A
Thank
you
so
I'm
going
to
ask
my
fellow
Commissioners.
If
you
have
any
further
recommended
changes
to
this
policy,
I
have
just
one
and
I'd
like
to
see
if
that's
acceptable
to
the
Chief
and
and
Shannon
here,
it's
just
a
very
minor
change,
and
that
is
under
the
reporting
mechanism
to
the
HR
department.
Part
E
I
spoke
to
Karen
Durfee.
Today,
the
director
of
HR
just
wanted
to
see
what
you
know.
A
P
P
A
F
A
P
A
With
that
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
commission
approved
this
policy
change
with
that
one
change
to
part
two
e
with
regard
to
the
HR
reporting.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion?
Commissioner
Rao
seconds
the
motion
any
further
discussion
amongst
commissioners,
all
those
in
favor,
then,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
motion
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
your
intelligence,
Shannon
I'm.
Sorry
to
keep
you
waiting,
I
promise
to
schedule
that
earlier
in
future
meetings,
I
really
apologize.
It's.
A
A
I
will
be
sending
to
Commissioners
and
I'll
post
this
for
the
next
meeting
about
the
documents
and
I
believe
that
councilor
McGee,
that
we
would
advertise
The,
Joint
meeting
with
Public
Safety,
to
hear
from
Bia
about
Community
engagement
and,
of
course,
include
Chief
Murad
in
the
police
department.
In
that
does
anybody
have
any?
Yes,
commissioner,
oski.
P
Thanks
for
that
question
terrific
question,
so
you
know
I
I
attend
NPA
meetings
pretty
regularly.
Certainly,
whenever
invited
I,
I
have
Outreach
meetings
with
different
members
of
the
community
at
aalv
I
relationships
with
people
at
the
boys
and
girls
club
or
the
King
Street
Center
I
go
to
events
I'm
I'm
out
in
the
the
public,
making
myself
available
to
people
parking
on
Church
Street,
moving
up
and
down.
P
As
far
as
specific
kinds
of
events,
you
know
we
we
used
to
have
some
of
those
things
we
we
had
routine
creamy
with
a
Kappa
events
with
with
children.
We
had
a
community
barbecue
that
we
moved
around
the
city
and
did
every
year
some
of
those
were
budgetarily
removed
in
2020.
During
you
know,
the
the
Contra
tops
over
the
city
budget
at
the
time.
Some
of
it
is
now
very
difficult
owing
to
Staffing
it
is.
P
It
is
hard
to
take
if
you
have
force
or
or
five
officers
on
a
shift
for
the
entirety
of
the
city.
Asking
them
to
come
to
a
barbecue
is
is
challenging
and
getting
off-duty
officers.
You
know
it's
never
been
something
that
we
necessarily
attended
off
duty
that
office
you
know,
officers
are
paid
employees
in
the
city
and
so
oftentimes.
That
would
be
something
that
we
would
sort
of
plan
for
and
staff
up
on.
But
no
you
know
we
I
think
there
is
a
desire
inside
to
have
some
of
that
increased.
P
We
are
our
are
contemplating
some
things
like
that
with
the
new
public
information
and
Community
engagement
coordinator
that
has
been
hired
and
making
efforts
to
to
re-engage
with
some
things
that
we
used
to
do,
including
we
had
a
clergy
event
where
we
brought
in
clergy
to
the
to
the
Department
and
met
with
them.
So
you
know:
do
we
have
something
right
now
hard
planned?
No
I,
don't
have
anything
calendared,
you
know
I.
It
is,
however,
something
that
that
we
used
to
do
that.
I
do
think.
P
You're
correct
would
be
terrific
to
do
again.
That
is
something
that
the
CNA
you
know
report
mentioned,
I
had
to
correct
their
spelling
of
creamy,
which
was
you
know,
a
flatlander,
an
abysmal
I
think
Courtney
mentioned
that
in
her
article
about
it.
But
those
are
something
you
know.
Those
are
things
that
that
we
do
want
to
re-engage
with.
Thank.
A
R
Thank
you,
chief,
that
was
I,
actually
think
the
Via.
What
via
is
proposing
will
give
BPD
will
provide
BPD
some
of
the
exam.
You
know
some
of
the
input
they
may
not.
They
they're
understaffed,
to
gather
themselves
and
for
us
as
a
commission,
to
do
some
of
the
information
I
think
they
will
give
to
us,
hopefully
from
going
door
to
door,
can
be
used
by
BPD
in
a
very
productive
way.
R
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
your
information,
what
you
learn
from
them,
for
example,
we're
not
in
a
position
to
go,
do
focus
groups
with
community
members.
I
have
gone
around
downtown
talking
to
my
neighbors,
which
is
not
the
same
as
spending
hours
talking
to
people
about
what
their
needs
are
and
from
what
they
have
given
to
us.
It's
a
very
open-ended
discussion.
It's
not
just
you
know.
Do
you
dislike
bpms?
These
are
not
close-ended
questions,
but
these
are
very
open-ended
questions
and
they're
very
positive
oriented.
R
So
in
the
sense
they
want
to
see
positive
change.
So
in
that
sense,
it
may
not
be
such
a
bad
idea
for
us
for
for
BPD
to
be
engaged
in
this
process
as
they
as
they
move
forward.
If
nothing
else,
you'll
get
a
lot
of
data
to
to
think
about
and
maybe
move
forward
of
how
you
can
what
you
were
just
mentioning.
R
M
Thank
you
so
I
know
the
department
loved
creamy
with
a
cop
but
and
I
think
even
my
first
or
second
meeting
as
a
police
commissioner,
wasn't
that
I
was
disparaging
that
particular
type
of
Outreach.
My
concern
was
it
wasn't
the
level
of
Outreach
that
was
needed
in
the
community,
given
how
some
people
felt
that
there
needed
to
be
something
that
was
more
substantial
now,
I
definitely
agree
with
whatever,
via
wants
to
do.
M
There's,
a
certain
amount
of
defensiveness
that
we
have
been
dealing
with.
I
know
that
as
a
police
commissioner,
from
the
very
first
meeting,
a
resentful
resentment
against
the
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
taking
it
as
a
form
of
attack.
And
it's
not
meant
to
be
a
form
of
attack,
it's
meant
to
help
our
department
be
better
and
have
more
positive
engagements
in
every
way,
with
the
people
of
Burlington
that
they
serve.
M
And
to
say
that
to
continue
to
say
that,
oh
it
because
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
I
just
find
that
very
troubling,
because
is
the
message
really
getting
through
is,
is
my
concern.
If
there
is
such
a
tremendous
bad
feeling,
we
can
tell
by
looking
at
the
votes
across
the
city
for
ballot
item,
seven
I've
been
talking
about
how
certain
members
of
my
community
have
been
feeling
for
a
very
long
time
and
the
votes
reflected
that
in
Wards
two
and
three
and
I
would
love
to
see
positive
engagement.
M
A
N
A
Great,
maybe
Chief
muratta
can
ask
you
about
this.
I'm
going
to
explain
a
little,
and
the
question
I
would
ask,
is
how
we
how,
in
these
reports,
we
Define
use
of
force
is
probably
different
than
other
departments,
and
we
include
such
things
as
handcuffing,
for
example,
so,
just
for
the
community
to
understand
that
we
Define
the
department
defines
uses
of
force
much
more
broadly
than
perhaps
in
other
communities.
Maybe
you
could
say
just
a
bit
more
about
that.
P
Yes,
the
the
state,
the
state
use
of
force
policy
does
talk
about
use
of
force
as
anything
that
moves,
Beyond,
compliant
handcuffing.
And
so
you
know
if
a
if
a
person
puts
his
or
her
arms
behind
their
back
and
you
take
that
arm
and
and
move
it
in
into
position
and
handcuff
them.
That
is
not
a
use
of
force,
but
if
you
have
to
forcibly
grab
that
arm
and
move
it
up
behind
the
individual,
that
would
be
a
use
of
force.
Q
P
It
was
something
that
we
we
did
when
I
was
an
assistant
commissioner
created
a
much
more
comprehensive
and
thorough
new
threat
and
response
to
injury
report
or
response
to
resistance
report.
Excuse
me
the
trr,
the
here.
However,
they
they've
done
this
for
quite
some
time,
and
it
is,
it
is
any.
It
is
it's
a
very
broad
definition.
The
majority
of
the
uses
of
force
that
you
will
see
are
are
low
level
in
the
sense
that
they
don't
involve
injury.
They
don't
involve
even
the
use
of
tools.
P
Often
they
involve
the
display
of
tools.
Many
of
the
videos
that
we
have
now
placed
on
on
YouTube,
as
per
our
agreement
with
the
police
commission,
our
display
of
weapons
they're,
pointing
Firearms,
a
felony
car
stop
if
the
if
a
car
is
stolen
and
the
people
inside
are
believed
to
be
those
thieves
and
have
a
history
of
weapons,
possession
or
of
resistance
to
law
enforcement.
A
felony
car
stop
is
conducted
by
training.
P
That
is
something
that
requires
having
firearms
at
the
at
the
ready
on
those
individuals,
certainly
during
a
search
warrant
when
going
into
a
location
that
we
do
not
know
by
training
and
by
convention.
That
is
an
instance
in
which
Firearms
are
going
to
be
pointed
at
the
people
in
that,
in
that
residence,
you've
already
gone
undergone
judicial
review
and
had
a
judge's
permission
to
to
engage
in
that
warrant.
P
So
those
are
our
uses
of
force.
Those
I
don't
consider
those
low
level
and
that
that
it
is
having
a
firearm
pointed
at.
You
is
not
a
fun
experience.
Having
been
on
the
wrong
end
of
it.
I'll
I'll
definitely
say
that
having
been
on
the
wrong
end
of
having
it
fired
at
me,
I'll
say
that
that's
much
worse,
but
there
is
also
a
much
broader
definition
here
than
in
other
places.
A
Staffed
as
a
commission
than
we
have
been,
and
so
we
will
be
requesting
videos
for
all
of
the
10
incidents
on
this
use
of
force,
report
and
I
will
email,
D.C
lebreck
that
and
we're
going
to
request
them.
We
get
them
for
three
days,
they
expire
and
we
have
to
request
again
and
most
Commissioners
work
during
the
week,
and
so
we
need
to,
unfortunately,
repeatedly
request
them,
but
I
will
do
that.
A
This
time
we
have
started
a
practice
in
which
we
assign
incidents
to
Commissioners,
to
make
sure
that
every
incident
is
Thoroughly,
reviewed
and
then
to
raise
concerns.
If
there
are
any
about
any
of
the
videos
and
incidents
and
so
I'm
going
to
do
that
assignment
right
now
so
I'm
going
to
assign
commissioner
Garrison
incidents
one
and
two.
A
E
A
A
Number
nine
and
myself
number
10..
With
regard
to
last
month's,
we
reviewed
three
months
worth
of
use
of
force
videos
at
the
last
meeting,
and
there
were
two
incidents
that
Commissioners
had
questions
or
concerns
about.
We
decided
not
to
discuss
them
here,
because
while
we
believe
that
at
least
one
of
them
probably
should
be
discussed
in
public
as
per
open
meeting
law,
we
are
exploring
whether
in
fact
there
is,
it
is
appropriate
to
do
so,
and
whether
there
are
limitations
in
respect
to
confidentiality.
A
A
Okay,
we're
then
on
to
item
7.01.
This
is
a
moment
where
we
recognize
commendations
for
the
work
of
the
police
department.
This
month,
we
don't
have
any
to
report
on
so
moving
to
item
8.01,
commissioner
updates.
It's
an
opportunity
for
Commissioners
to
comment
on
anything
related
to
the
work
that
we
do
in
Department,
commissioner
Garrison.
M
M
We've
really
fought
to
to
make
things
better,
to
make
things
better
for
the
people
of
Burlington
and
to
make
things
better
for
our
officers,
even
though
sometimes
they
don't
recognize
that
which
breaks
my
heart,
which
which
breaks
my
heart
because
I
feel
like
there
should
be
some
some
easy
wins.
But
this
is
what
happens
when
we're
addressing
things
that
are
systematic
right
it.
They
didn't
get
this
way
overnight
and
it'll
take
it.
It
won't
change
overnight.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
support
and
especially
through
some
really
difficult
times.
M
I've
I've
definitely
been
really
concerned
about
some
of
the
things
that
that
we've
had
to
deal
with
and
I
know
that
sometimes
I
may
have
been
not
may
have
been.
I
was
I
was
angry,
I
was
angry
and
then
other
times
I
was
crying.
So
it's
it's
been
a
lot
I
hope
to
continue
to
support
your
work
as
a
City
councilor.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
ran
I
felt
I
needed
to
get
to
the
next
level,
because
I
was
so
concerned
about
the
way
that
our
body
was
being
attacked.
M
I
am
and,
as
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
through
the
campaign
who
have
served
in
public
office,
no
one's
seen
anything
like
that,
and
we
do
know
that
public
Community
safety
brings
out
the
worst
in
people,
but
it
can
also
bring
out
the
best.
So
that's
that's
what
I
hope
for
and
I
hope
to
continue.
M
The
battle
on
positive
public
engagement,
I
hope
to
meet
the
new
public
information
officer
and
speak
with
them
about
what
work
they
will
be
doing,
and
then
you
know
giving
suggestions
that
have
been
made
in
the
past,
especially
from
the
talitha
consultants,
in
terms
of
some
of
the
public
feedback.
I
think
that
would
be
great
and
I.
M
Just
think
that
we
can
hopefully
continue
to
have
positive
conversations
around
accountability,
transparency
and
oversight,
because
these
issues
are
not
going
away,
they're
not
going
to
go
away
until
they're
dealt
with
and
I
can
leave
the
commission
and
other
people
will
come
in
and
the
same
issues
will
need
to
be
addressed
because
they
haven't
been
resolved.
So
even
though
I've
been
the
most
vocal
I
hope
that
and
I
know
it's
hard
to
run.
M
Our
schedules
are
all
part-time
jobs,
families
all
of
that
I
get
it,
but
whatever
Outreach
you
can
squeeze
out
at
the
mpas,
it's
really
important.
It
means
a
lot
to
people.
It
really
does
just
even
reviewing
the
chief's
report,
because
so
many
people
I
felt,
became
more
aware
of
our
meetings.
They
found
the
information
interesting,
especially
when
we
talk
about
the
fact
that
numbers
numbers
were
so
confusing,
is
crime
going
up?
Is
it
going
down.
D
M
You
can
have
two
things
that
are
true.
At
the
same
time,
you
can
have
the
average
number
of
incidents
not
be
as
high
as
they
used
to
be,
but
certain
incidents
are
going
up
once
again.
The
drug
crisis
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
and
I
want
to
thank
the
people
who
spoke
at
public
forum.
It
means
a
lot
and
see
you
next
Monday
night.
A
A
So
I'd
like
to
move
to
enter
executive
session
pursuant
to
one
VSA
313
A6,
to
discuss
a
record
that
is
exempt
from
access
to
public
records
pursuant
to
one
VSA
317
C7.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion?
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Grant,
all
those
in
favor
we
say:
I
I,
any
opposed
passes
unanimously.
I
want
to
say
that
I'm
immensely
proud
that
we
have
once
again
finished
our
meeting,
but
eight
minutes
before
8
PM,
which
is
our
goal,
is
to
finish
by
8
PM.
A
So,
thanks
to
everybody
for
doing
that,
we
will
not
be
having
coming
out
of
executive
session
with
any
decisions
and
therefore
I'd
like
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting
commissioner
Garrison
seconded
by
commissioner
oski,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
although
opposed
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
all.
So
much
see
you
later.