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00:01:06 294-296 North Winooski Avenue Irene Hinsdale / Samuel Nelis
00:03:24 326 College Street Jannef Holdings, LLC / Skip McClellan
00:11:36 98 Sunset Cliff Road Keye & Lucy Wong / Elizabeth Herrmann
01:11:56 21 Morse Place Rieley Properties, LLCC / Silken Kershner
01:14:01 179 Queen City Park Road Zoo Holdings, LLC / Martin Courcelle
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A
Good
evening
I'd
like
to
call
the
Tuesday
August
4th
2023
Burlington
development
and
review
board
agenda
development
review
board
meeting
to
order
we
have
a
quorum
and
so
we'll
start
proceeding.
Vice
chair,
Caitlin
I
think
is
joining
us
and
Jeff
hand
as
as
well.
You
know
Jeff's
unavailable
tonight,
I
just
so.
A
A
A
A
Citizen,
okay:
well,
we
got
a
request
from
the
applicant
to
defer
the
public
hearing
to
a
later
date
because
of
some
issues
outside
of
the
application
concerning
the
property.
They
would
like
to
get
those
resolved
first,
so
we
don't
have
a
date
set
yet
for
the
deferral
perhaps
you're
aware
of
what
these
other
outside
issues
are.
A
A
A
Right
so
I'll
make
a
motion
that
on
zp22640
WE
Grant
the
applicant's
request
and
defer
this
to
a
later
date
within
the
next
six
months,
all
in
favor.
Second
aye,
okay,
great
it's
good.
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
zp2356
326,
College,
Street,
Jan,
F
Holdings
skip
McClellan
building
and
parking
lot.
Improvements
for
storm
water
collection,
slash
disposal,
including
demolition
and
replacement
of
accessory
structure
and
replacement.
Retaining
walls
is
the
applicant
here.
A
Okay?
Well,
why
don't
you
raise
your
right
hand?
Do
you?
What
do
you
say
all
of
us
all
of
us?
Do
you
swear
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
true
and
the
matter
under
consideration
is
true
and
correct
under
the
pains
and
penalties
of
perjury?
Yes,
all
right,
so
someone
want
to
take
us
through
this
project.
I
walk
by
today,
I
have
a
good
sense
of
where
it
is.
But
what
do
you
got.
F
And
then,
as
you
get
towards
the
College
Street
end,
it
turns
runs
up
in
front
of
the
building
again
all
Underground.
What
do
you
call
those
those
are
yeah
more
Chambers
right,
so
it's
really
designed
just
to
pick
up
all
of
the
storm
water.
For
most
of
my
properties,
on
College,
Street
and
and
a
couple
on
South
Willard
and
the
accessory
structure,
that's
we're
taking
down
is
basically
falling
down.
F
F
F
A
F
Well,
I
want
to
do
it
for
maintaining
the
building
right
now
the
grade
slopes,
you
know
pretty
good
to
the
street
or
to
the
sidewalk.
So
when
we
run
boom
lifts
down
there,
which
we
really
have
to
do
all
the
repairs
with
a
boom,
lift
it's
almost
impossible.
We
end
up
having
to
brace
them
up,
which
is
not
say,
really
a
safe
thing
to
do
so.
F
D
F
F
F
E
F
A
E
That
is
a
good
question.
This
came
in
as
326
college,
but
it
is
among
one
two,
three
four
Parcels
that
will
benefit
from
the
storm
water
Improvement
plan
is
one
of
the
conditions
I've
instructed
Mark
and
his
team
that
we
need
applications
to
join
this
one
to
make
sure
we're
covering
all
the
parcels
that
are
having
storm
water
improvements,
so
that
includes
8789
South,
Willard,
9193,
South,
Willard,
332-334
college
and
348
College,
correct,
plus
326.
F
F
E
G
A
A
A
Okay,
it's
tight,
so
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
98.
Sunset,
Cliff,
Road,
zp,
23-9
I
will
call
the
hearing
and
swear
people
in,
but
I
have
to
accuse
myself
I
found
out.
One
of
my
partners
had
provided
some
advice
to
one
of
the
people
involved
here.
I
don't
know
who
but
I'll
take
no
other
action
from
that.
So
first,
let
me
get
is
the
applicant
here
where
applicants
attorneys
yeah
come
on
up.
A
Okay,
so
if
you
all
raise
your
right
hand
and
and
the
applicator
yes
to
you
state
that
do
you
swear
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
under
in
the
matter
under
consideration
is
true
and
correct.
None
of
the
pains
and
penalties
of
perjury
all
right,
I'll
recuse
myself,
but
let
me
set
the
stage
this
was
a
approved
public
hearing.
We
found
out
that
approved
via
a
public
hearing.
A
K
K
K
So,
just
to
give
people
a
little
idea
of
what's
going
on
at
the
shoreline
here,
so
there
are
a
series
of
existing
concrete,
retaining
walls
that
we
plan
to
leave
in
place
there.
The
only
way
now
to
get
down
to
the
lake
is
through
a
Subterranean
50-foot
tunnel
that
leads
from
the
existing
house.
It's
a
little
a
little
odd
and
not
the
most
ideal
way
to
get
down
to
the
lake.
K
G
H
G
K
K
The
you
know,
the
house
is
a
little
bit
bigger
than
the
existing
house,
but
it
you
know,
sits
within
the
setbacks
and
is
just
pulled
a
bit
further
away
from
the
lake
than
the
existing
home
and
other
than
that.
I
think
this
is.
This
is
the
Lakeshore
side
of
the
site
plan.
The
upper
half
shows
some
of
the
Landscaping
on
the
driveway
side,
the
roadside
and
the
pickleball
court.
G
L
And
one
and
I'm
Chris
Roy
I'm
the
applicant's
attorney,
and
they
asked
me
to
come
here,
given
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
by
the
appellants,
and
you
guys
don't
want
to
hear
from
me.
So
keep
this
as
as
brief
as
possible.
The
one
thing
that
the
Wongs
really
wanted
me
to
emphasize
here
is
that
this
is
a
residential
project
in
a
residential
Zone.
It's
a
permitted
use-
and
you
know,
as
is
evidenced
by
the
staff
comments
here.
L
There
are
certain
dimensional
and
lot
requirements
that
have
to
be
met
and
the
staff
is
laid
out
they
have
been
met.
This
is
a
very
carefully
and
well-designed
project
and
there
really
isn't
anything
in
the
zoning
bylaws
that
would
extend
to
regulating
through
the
zoning
process
a
recreational
residential
use
like
pickleball.
L
Sometimes
you
might
have
subdivisions
that
deal
with
it
in
restrictive
covenants
or
declarations.
You
have
some
communities
that
have
Noise
Within
performance
standards
that
are
found
in
zoning.
That's
not
the
case.
In
Burlington,
you
have
a
separate
noise
ordinance
and
for
a
permitted
use
like
this.
Noise
isn't
one
of
the
issues
and
that's
evidenced
by
the
fact
that
you
know,
as
staff
pointed
out,
none
of
those
Provisions
that
needed
to
be
satisfied
relate
to
noise.
L
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
really
isn't
a
zoning
issue
and
and
I
understand
that
the
neighbors
feel
strongly
about
a
pickleball
court.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
the
City
of
Burlington
has
decided
that
things
such
as
noise
generated
by
recreational
use,
is
covered
by
the
noise
ordinance
and
not
zoning.
And
if
there
were
any
restrictions
on
use
of
the
property
such
as
restrictive
covenants
and
the
like.
That,
wouldn't
be
something
for
the
drb
to
worry
about.
Anyway.
L
It's
not
within
your
purview-
and
you
probably
have
enough
other
things
to
handle
that
you
don't
need
to
start
getting
into
into
those
matters.
So
I
just
wanted
to,
because
I
understand
that
people
are
going
to
be
here
and
make
comments
about
the
project
and
that's
why
they
asked
to
reopen
the
hearing.
G
G
M
Okay:
okay,
thanks
all
right!
So
as
I
mentioned,
my
name
is
Claudine
Safar
I'm
going
to
stand.
If
that's
okay!
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
board
appreciate
your
attention
in
this
matter.
Appreciate
you
also
re-warning
this
hearing
and
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
application
so
appreciate
that
so
as
I
mentioned
I'm
here,
representing
Ms
Farrow
and
her
property
is
directly
adjacent
to
this
project
and
and
less
than
55
feet
from
this
pickleball
court,
which
has
been
proposed,
and
we
are
not
here
opposing
the
residents.
M
We
would
not
be
here
if
we
were
talking
about
croquet
and
badminton,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
pickleball
is
an
interesting.
It's
it's
an
interesting
Pastime
that
I
when
I
was
contacted
by
Miss,
Pharaoh
I
didn't
frankly
know
anything
about
it.
I
played
tennis,
but
I
had
no
idea
that
pickleball
was
as
controversial
an
activity
as
it
is,
and
I
I,
suspect
and
I.
Maybe
all
of
you
are
far
more
advanced
than
I
am
on
this
issue,
but
maybe
the
rest
of
you
have
no
idea
like
I
did
that
this
is.
M
M
This
craze
of
pickleball
has
taken
hold
across
the
country
and
there
has
been
a
lot
of
acoustical
testing
that
has
resulted
from
pickleball
and
what
they
have
discovered
is
that
this
noise
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
are
familiar
with
pickleball
you'll,
know
that
the
rackets
are
hard
mallets,
they
sort
of
more
represent
a
ping-pong
paddle
in
a
larger
surface
area
and
the
balls
are
hard
plastic.
So,
unlike
a
tennis
ball,
they
make
a
popping
sound
and
so
what
I've?
M
What
I've
produced
here
for
you,
I
respectfully,
you
know,
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
first
about
oh
here
we
go
yep.
So,
as
you
can
see,
this
is.
This
is
what
a
pickleball
paddle
looks
like.
It
strikes
this
ball,
which
is
a
hard
plastic
ball,
which
is
more
like
a
wiffle
ball,
and
so
the
sound
you
get
out
of
it
is
more
of
a
pop
and
that
popping
sound
is
a
repetitive
popping
sound
that
has
been
likened
to
the
loading
of
a
mortar.
M
And
so
when
you
read
through
what
I've
provided
you
here
today,
you've
got
a
letter
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
regulations,
because
I,
respectfully
I'm
I,
certainly
respect
attorney
Roy
in
his
analysis.
But
I
respectfully
disagree
with
how
that
integrates
into
your
code
of
ordinances,
which
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about.
But
what
you
have
behind,
that
is
Mr
Willis's
CV
he'll
introduce
himself
and
speak
to
you
on
this
issue
in
a
minute.
M
M
We
have
a
single
family
residence
and
we
have
what
someone
is
asking
for
as
as
an
accessory
use,
and
you
have
a
definition
in
your
ordinance
of
accessory
use
is
something
that's
customarily
incidental
to
a
residential
use,
and
so
you
know
I'd
start
with
the
premise
that
this
is
not
customarily
incidental.
Perhaps
we
can
look
across
the
country
and
look
at
tennis
courts
that
have
been
customarily
incidental
to
residential
uses,
but
pickleball
is
pretty
new
and
pickleball
courts.
M
You
can't
really
look
around
most
of
your
neighborhoods
and
find
pickleball
courts
in
people's
backyards
and
what
we're
discovering
across
the
country
is
that
there's
a
reason
why
these
are
not
in
residential
neighborhoods,
because
they're
incredibly
loud
and
they're
very
disruptive,
and
they
are
so
disruptive
to
people
that
they
are
causing
tremendous
outcry.
From
this
consistent,
constant,
repetitive,
popping
sound
that
actually
penetrates
the
insides
of
residences.
M
M
It's
really
not
at
all
the
same
thing,
then,
if
you
kind
of
go
further
and
a
little
bit
deeper
into
your
regulations,
Section
51,
G2
and
3
concern
residential
uses,
and
that
section
of
your
ordinance
very
specifically
provides
these
accessory
uses
need
to
be
reasonably
necessary
to
conduct
the
principal
use
and
obviously
I'd
argue
having
a
pickleball
court
is
not
reasonably
necessary.
I
think
we
can
probably
all
agree
that
you
could
live
in
your
residence
and
you
don't
really
need
a
pickleball
court
in
your
backyard.
M
M
The
combination
of
uses,
On
Any
Given
property
shall
meet
all
of
the
provisions
of
this
ordinance,
and
so,
if
you
look
further,
you
get
to
your
noise
ordinance
and
that
noise
ordinance
is,
is
what
is
really
important
here
today,
because
noise
ordinances
cat,
you
know,
Burlington
noise
ordinance,
provides
very
specifically
that
you
can't
create
a
nuisance
on
your
property.
The
general
Prohibition
in
21-13
B
provides
that
it
should
be
unlawful
for
any
person
to
make
or
cause
or
be
made
any
loud
noise
or
any
loud
or
unreasonable.
M
Noise
noise
shall
be
deemed
to
be
unreasonable
when
it
disturbs
injures
and
endangers
the
peace
and
health
of
another
or
when
it
endangers
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
community.
So
it's
not
just
an
individual
person's
standard.
It's
a
community
standard,
any
Such
Noise
shall
be
considered
to
be
a
noise
disturbance
and
a
public
nuisance
and
I
will.
At
this
point
you
know
I'd
like
to
bring
in
Dr
Willis
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
what
pickleball
noise
is,
why
he
knows
about
it
and
how
he
can
educate
you
on
this
subject.
M
M
M
G
M
N
We
first
began
Consulting
on
pickleball
issues
back
in
2010
at
a
community
called
South
Brooks,
just
north
of
Tucson,
and
that
was
our
first
experience
with
trying
to
mitigate
a
pickleball
sound
and
over
the
last
13
years.
Or
so.
We
have
had
a
steady
projects.
What
we've
been
working
on:
WE,
pickleball,
site
planning
and
also
working
with
people
living
close
to
pickleball
courts,
who
have
been
impacted
by
the
sound
typically
from
a
courts
that
were
either
cited
too
close,
or
there
was
no
attempt
to
mitigate
the
sound
coming
from
the
courts.
N
Okay,
what
is
the
National
Standard?
It's
an
ANSI
standard,
s12.9
part.
Four
of
that
standard
gives
a
methodology
for
assessing
this
type
of
sound.
What
people
tend
to
complain
about
is
the
popping
sound
that
the
paddles
make
is
a
highly
impulsive
sound,
and
we
need
to
do
a
special
type
of
analysis.
That's
outlined
in
the
standard
to
get
a
representative
assessment
of
what
the
community
impact
is
going
to
be
for
this
type
of
sound.
M
N
M
M
M
N
M
N
M
N
Most
likely
the
Court's.
This
close,
it
is
very
common
to
with
clients
that
I've
worked
with.
They
say
they
can
hear
it
inside
their
house.
Some
have
told
me
that
it
disrupts
Zoom
meetings
they,
if
they're
working
from
home,
they
have
a
difficult
time
with
conference
calls
and
so
forth
because
of
the
background
ones.
M
N
Unfortunately,
not
at
this
distance
I,
this
has
been
someone
codified
already
in
the
Park
City
Utah
pickleball
and
then
where
they
are
requiring
a
minimum
of
150
Beats
setback
from
the
golf
course
to
residential
land
uses
and
that
that's
typical,
it's
a
good
working
distance.
In
most
cases,
we
can
mitigate
that
there
are
some
exceptions
where
topology
plays
a
role
and
occasionally
we
can
get
a
little
closer
than
150
feet,
but
once
you
get
within
100
feet,
it
really
is
very
difficult
to
mitigate
this
to
an
acceptable
level.
M
N
Right
yeah,
most
of
the
cases
that
I
see
where
selling
his
filing
a
complaint
against
pickleball
is
when
there
is
a
tennis
court
that
has
been
converted
to
pickleball.
And
it
is
in
a
location
that
is
buying
from
tennis
that
tennis
court
may
have
been
in
operation
for
decades.
But
as
soon
as
they
converted
to
pickleball.
There's
a
noise
issue.
N
N
N
N
I
have
looked
at,
I
haven't
looked
at
that
in
detail,
I,
don't
believe,
there's
anything
on
the
east
side,
however,
I
have
worked
on
a
number
of
cases
where
lawsuits
have
been
filed.
Despite
the
fact
that
a
fence
cover
has
been
installed
going
up
to
10
feet
and
that
was
not
sufficient
to
to
mitigate
the
sound
that
is
is
as
I
said,
once
you
get
within
100
feet,
it's
is
nearly
impossible
to
mitigate
this
with
a
noise
barrier.
M
So
I
prior
to
this
board
is
that
if
you
permit
this
use
in
this
particular
location
as
drawn
in
these
plants,
you
will
inevitably
be
permitting
a
very
a
violation.
A
very
clear
violation
of
your
noise,
ordinance
and
I.
Think
your
code
prohibits
you
very
squarely
from
doing
that,
and
so
I
think.
The
concern
here
and
the
basis
of
the
opposition,
as
Mr
Willis
has
made
very
clear.
M
It
just
defies
logic.
So
I
think
you
know
our.
That
is
the
basis
of
our
opposition.
This
is
going
to
be
incredibly
noisy.
It
very
squarely
violates
your
noise
ordinance,
you've
heard
from
the
preeminent
expert
in
the
country
that
this
is
not
something
that
is
permissible
and
at
this
distance
cannot
it
just
simply
cannot
be
abated
flat
out,
there's
nothing
that
that
could
be
done
here
to
mitigate
this
type
of
of
a
use
in
this
location
at
all
period,
and
it's
going
to
violate
not
only
miss
Pharaoh's
right
to
quiet
enjoyment
of
her
property.
M
N
M
So
I've
actually
Mr
Rubino,
which
I've
I've
included
that
in
your
packet
you'll
find
it
at
the
end
of
your
package.
So
you
you
will
find
that
the
regulation
says
that
a
minimum
setback
of
600
feet
from
lot
lines
of
adjacent
residential
property
lines.
So
that
is
the
standard
in
Park
City
Utah.
Now
then
it
says
the
Planning
Commission
May
reduce
the
minimum
setback
to
no
less
than
150
feet.
So
when
the
applicant
submits
a
noise
study,
so
you
actually
have
to
actually
do
more.
You
can
get
this
potential
reduction.
M
It
can't
under
any
circumstance,
be
less
than
150
feet,
but
in
order
to
get
that
you've
got
to
submit
a
noise
study
by
a
certified
professional
which
demonstrates
compliance
with
their
code
and
their
noise
ordinances,
approvals,
condition
on
the
construction
and
completion
of
the
noise.
Mitigating
features
included
in
the
noise
study,
so
you'll
get
a
recommendation
for
one
of
these
experts.
Then
you
gotta
have
the
inclusion
of
these.
M
So
there's
you
know
quite
a
lot
of
requirements
that
Park
city
has
implemented
in
considering
something
like
this,
but
most
importantly,
as
Dr
Willis
has
said,
you
can't
get
below
150
feet
anyway,
under
any
circumstances.
Even
if
you
do
one
of
these
noise
studies-
and
here
we're
at
55
feet,
Which
is
less
than
half
of
what
they've
said
is
the
absolute.
M
G
G
O
O
So
it's
pretty
outrageous,
while
I'm
here
I'll
just
say
that
I'm
Bonnie
Farrow
I
live
on
the
west
side
right
next
door.
Sunset
Cliff
Road
is
within
five
miles
of
Burlington,
but
it's
a
completely
different
world.
It's
rural!
It's
located
it's
located
at
the
end
of
a
dirt
road
houses
line,
one
side
of
the
road
there's
the
lake
on
one
side
and
then
a
wooded
wooded
common
land
on
the
other.
O
It's
a
private
Dead,
End
Road.
It
was
originally
designed
as
a
seasonal,
Camp
community.
So
the
lots
are
irregular.
They're
small.
My
house,
for
instance,
is
under
a
third
of
an
acre.
It's
an
unbuildable
lot
and
the
only
reason
I
got
to
build
my
house
on.
It
was
because
there
was
a
seasonal
camp
on
it,
so
it
was
grandfathered
in
or
the
footprint
whatever,
and
so
it's
a
bucolic
setting,
there's
deer
going
through
our
yards.
At
all
points.
O
So
it
just
seems
kind
of
crazy
to
me
to
let
this
pickle.
This
person
coming
in
have
a
pickleball
court.
It's
not
a
necessary
feature
of
a
home,
we're
not
unreasonable.
These
are
some
of
my
lovely
neighbors.
You
asked
about
a
basketball
court
they're
putting
in
a
basketball
court
and
it's
even
closer
to
my
house
and
I'm,
not
complaining
I'm,
not
like
not
in
my
backyard.
O
O
There
I
mean
there's
short-term
construction
projects
going
on
that's
to
be
expected,
but
a
permanent
pickleball
court
would
forever
change
the
neighborhood
and
take
away
some
sure,
send
away
the
deer
and
make
it
just
not
the
quiet
environment
that
everybody
moved
out
there
to
enjoy.
So
it's
just
it's
a
disruptive
nuisance.
O
It's
just
too
much
sound
for
too
small
a
space,
basically
and
I
guess
I
would
just
like
for
all
you
to
go
online
and
Google
pick
a
pickleball
noise
and
you
just
won't
believe
what
comes
up
there.
And
unfortunately,
this
is
the
first
pickleball
court
coming
to
Burlington,
but
it
may
not
be
the
last
and
so
I
feel
like
this
is
probably
a
little
early
and
most
of
the
people
in
this
room
had
no
idea
how
noisy
and
disruptive
it
is.
O
But
I'd
also
like
to
say
that
I
play
Pickleball
and
I
walk
to
community
park
to
Apple,
Tree,
Park
and
I
play
Pickleball
and
the
courts
are
always
available
or
I
go
to
the
Miller,
Center
and
I
can
play
inside
or
I
can
get
on
my
bike
and
go
to
Letty
park.
It
is
just
not
a
necessary
thing
to
suddenly
hold
a
whole
neighborhood
hostage.
O
You
know,
so
that's
somebody,
that's
going
to
live
here
for
five
months
and
29
days
can
enjoy
at
the
most
can
enjoy
a
pickleball
court.
It
just
is
not
anyway,
I
just
hope
that
you
guys
all
Google
pickleball
noise
and
look
at
the
materials
and
deny
the
permission
of
this
pickleball
court
in
such
a
small
closely.
Clustered
neighborhood
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
C
G
P
And
I
think
we're
going
to
be
about
we're
going
to
definitely
be
less
than
100
feet
from
the
pickleball
court.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
when
I
first
hit
the
Longs
we're
going
to
put
a
pickleball
court
I'm
like
oh,
that's,
great
good
for
them.
That
was
my
first
reaction.
I
played
pickleball.
That
was
my
paddle
I
brought
us
a
demonstration,
so
no
problem
with
pickleball,
but
then,
as
I
started
learning
about
it
and
finding
out
about
this
high-pitched
sound,
that's
Relentless,
sound
and
I
got
more
informed.
P
I
went
oh
my
gosh,
because
we
use
our
front
yard.
It's
narrow
as
Bonnie's
is,
and
that's
kind
of
where
theirs
is
going
to
be
in
the
front
yard.
You
know
to
play
with
our
dog
we
Garden
out
there
we
sit
you
know
and
and
have
dinner
by
the
lake
quietly.
You
know
we
sit
and
read
we
it's
it's
a
quiet
place,
it's
a
dead,
end
Road
and
it's
a
beautiful
Serene
spot
with
nature,
and
you
know
we
I
also
go
over
to
Apple
Tree
point
with
three
other
neighbors.
P
All
last
summer
we
went
every
Thursday
to
the
tennis
courts.
Slash
pickleball,
they
double
as
both
never
had
a
problem
getting
Court
there.
So
it's
within
walking
distance
or
biking
distance
from
our
house
and
it's
even
closer
to
the
Wong.
So
they
lived
even
closer
to
the
path
that
you
take
to
go
to
the
pickleball
courts,
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
it,
I
I,
don't
want
to
them
to
feel
unwelcome
or
that
we're
not
you
know
supportive
of
their
project.
P
They
do
have
a
small
lot
as
we,
a
lot
of
us
do
and
they're
really
putting
up
over
five
thousand
square
foot
house
pickleball
court
and
a
basketball
court
just
seems
like
the
green
space
is
just
wiped
out
now.
I,
don't
know
if
that
is
anything
relevant
to
you
and
how
you
feel
about
it.
But
I
just
feel
like
it's
just
going
to
be
a
big
change.
We
walk
people
walk
their
dogs
down
our
road,
they
come
over
from
apple
tree
and
they
walk
down.
It's
quiet
and
I.
P
Just
am
very
concerned
about
it.
I.
Just
it's
also
a
very
high
pitched
sound
I'm,
a
tennis
player
I've,
been
for
years
still
play
tennis.
We
had
a
tennis
court
when
we
lived
in
Connecticut,
we're
aware
of
it.
It's
a
very
different,
sound.
It's
a
it's,
a
high-pitched
rapid
fire
and
it's
just
not
appropriate
in
such
a
crammed
in
area.
I
just
I
know
it's.
It
sounds
like
I
guess:
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Is
this
the
first
pickleball
court
that's
been
applied
for
in
a
residential
setting
like
in
an
actual
on
someone's
property.
P
G
Heard
very
eloquently
from
your
attorney
from
the
expert:
okay:
we
have
a
lot
of
letters
that
neighbors
have
written
the
fact
that
all
these
folks
are
here
and
I'm
going
to
assume
that
they're
all
sort
of
on
the
took
a
pause,
not
in
the
character
the
neighborhood
side
of
things.
We
get
the
message
quite
clearly.
If
and
I,
don't
know
what
else
somebody
would
add
to
the
conversation,
but
rather
than
just
reiterating
the
issues
that
have
been
clarified
so
far,
I've.
P
Got
excuse
me,
I
have
something
else:
I
want
to
do.
Online
I
looked
up
a
it's
a
pickleball
website,
I
thought.
Well,
let
me
see
the
other
side
of
it
and
there's
an
interview
with
a
pickleball
referee,
slash
expert
and
even
he
said,
the
pickleball
should
not
be
put
within
100
feet
of
of
a
residence
and
and
he's
a
person,
that's
and
likened
it
to
the
decibel
level
of
freeway
traffic.
P
You
know
and
that's
coming
from
someone
that
promotes
pickleball.
Is
it
referee,
and
you
know
he
just
quote:
first
of
all,
courts
that
are
expected
to
be
getting
lots
of.
You
should
not
be
located
close
to
homes,
exclamation
point,
so
that's
like
another
perspective.
It's
not
a
lawyer's.
It's
a
pickleball
person
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
know
you've
heard
experts
I'm
a
human
being.
My
husband
and
I
bought
our
house
two
and
a
half
years
ago
we
retired
there
we're
there
to
enjoy
it
and
we
love
our
neighbor.
P
We've
had
you
know,
Wonderful
neighborhood,
and
this
is
more
of
the
personal
side
of
it-
be
very,
very
distressing
for
us
to
have
a
pickleball
court
there,
as
lovely
as
the
ones
probably
are
I
met
them
briefly.
I
have
no
nothing
about
that,
but
I,
just
I
would
be
very
disappointed
if
this
was
approved
and
I'm
just
telling
you
the
personal
side
have
anything
dear
just.
B
B
All
this
all
this
spring,
we
can
show
you
pictures
if
you'd
like
to
see
them
about
that
I,
don't
know
what
has
been
done
about
the
compensation
for
the
impermeable
surface,
that's
going
to
be
put
on
for
the
for
the
pickleball
court
or
proposed
for
that.
So
that,
obviously,
is
a
concern.
Consideration
as
well.
E
R
I'm,
an
attorney
at
printer
paper,
Eagle
student,
Kramer
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
John
Clark,
who
is
the
neighbor
who
is
35
feet
away
from
the
pickleball
court
and
I
won't
belabor
the
pickleball
issue.
I
just
want
to
make
two
quick
points
on
that.
First,
under
the
city's
ordinance,
it's
the
applicant's
burden
to
prove
and
demonstrate
compliance
with
the
nuisance
regulations
and
I
think
you've
heard
plenty
of
testimony
about
how
noisy
pickleball
is,
but
I
saw
nothing
in
the
application
that
that
met
that
standard.
R
R
9874
square
feet
of
development
and
coverage
and
I'm
not
sure
where
the
drb
calculations
came
in,
but
my
math
says
that's
36.57,
so
that
would
exceed
the
35
percent
lot
coverage
and,
unfortunately,
I
didn't
see
in
any
of
the
application
materials
anything
that
segmented
out
how
that
calculation
was
made
by
the
applicant.
So
it
was
difficult
to
recreate
but
based
on
their
own
numbers.
R
It
shows
that
it
would
be
over
the
35
percent
maximum
lot
coverage
and
then
the
last
issue
I
just
want
to
bring
up,
which
was
the
initial
concern
of
my
clients,
was,
was
the
stairs
that
the
initial
plans
showed
that
would
extend
onto
their
property
and
I.
I
heard
the
architect's
testimony
in
the
beginning,
but
I
still
haven't
heard
that
there
will
be
no
development
that
crosses
over
the
boundary
line
and
extends
on
to
the
clerks.
G
G
S
I'm
at
124,
Sunset
Cliffs
we're
just
here
first
I
think
a
lot
of
us
would
regret
that
there
would
be
a
conflict
between
between
existing
folks
in
in
our
new
neighbors,
the
Wongs
but
I
think
in
this
case
it
it.
As
you
said,
we
all
understand
what
I'm
saying
and
we're
just
going
to
go
on
record
to
someone
speaking
because
should
there
be
a
appeal
but
I
think
it
you
know,
imagine
you
got
a
you
got
a
loud
barking
dog.
D
D
E
M
M
G
G
T
Just
kind
of
so
surprising
to
think
that
people
would
come
into
a
new
neighborhood,
disregarding
what
the
their
neighbors
feel
is
important
for
them
to
enjoy
the
property
and
in
a
much
larger
area
of
land,
a
much
larger
piece
of
land,
I.
Guess
a
pickleball
court
wouldn't
have
the
same
impact
on
neighbors.
If
I
had
five
acres,
then
I
could
put
up
a
ferris
wheel
or
something,
but
that's
really
all
I
want
to
say.
I
said
what
I
wanted
to
and
I
just
want
to
preserve
the
right
to
be
involved.
I
G
I
G
I
Just
have
one
comment:
I
had
to
laugh
about
the
pickle
bomb
noise,
but
we
live
in
the
state
of
Florida
and
I,
think
they
forget
about
Monica,
Salas
and
Serena
Williams
being
two
of
the
biggest
grunters
on
the
tennis
court,
and
we
have
a
neighbor
here
with
the
pickleball
court
and
when
we
go
there
to
play
Pickleball,
there's
a
tennis
court
next
to
us-
and
there
are
four
grown
men
at
8am
every
morning
that
they're
grunting
outweighs
any
pedestal.
Ball
noise
I
just
wanted
to
fit
that
in
because
tennis
is
not
always
quiet.
I
G
K
K
G
K
E
G
G
L
L
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Okay,
well,
it
goes
we
would
submit
it
goes
to
how
well
he
can
evaluate
this
application.
We're
not
here
to
talk
about
pickleball,
Across
America,
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
Wong's
application,
so
assuming
that
he
hasn't
been
here
of
all
of
the
various
lawsuits
that
you've
been
involved
with
Mr
Willis.
How
many
of
those
were
clubs
or
commercial
complexes
that
involved
more
than
one
pickleball
court.
G
I'm
gonna
I
have
a
suggestion
on
if
the
board
is
going
to
be
okay
with
this,
but
we've
heard
a
lot
of
testimony.
We
have
this,
which
we
haven't
seen
yet
I
suspect
that
we
actually
might
not
deliberate
tonight
on
this
one
I'm
thinking
right
and
I.
Since
there's
a
lot
of
testimony,
you
haven't
seen
this.
G
We
could
leave
the
I
have
to
remember
how
we
do
this,
but
we
could
leave
the
time
to
submit
statements
or
testimony
open
so
that
we
get
that
before
we
deliberate.
If
you
have
comments
you
want
to
make
up
to
rebut
this
report
and
stuff
you've
heard
tonight,
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that
in
in
that
form.
G
G
S
P
G
P
But
then
the
other
part
of
it
that
no
one
brought
up
is
that
yes,
half
the
time
you're
hitting
it's
hitting
the
paddle,
the
other
half
the
time
is
hitting
a
cement
Court,
which
is
also
making
sounds.
You
can't
mitigate
that
second
thing
is
I
want
to
just
say
to
the
Wongs
that
I
there's
nothing
personal
here.
You
know
we
love
our
community
love
our
home
I,
don't
want
anybody
to
take
offense
I,
want
them
to
feel,
welcome
and
and
I
don't
want
ill
will
with
anyone.
So,
okay,
thank
you.
G
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G
S
G
Q
G
Q
G
A
B
A
A
A
A
Anything
that
you
have
an
issue
with
that
we
need
to
address
everything:
okay,
please!
Never,
sir!
No
one
in
your
office
would
ever
let
that
happen.
Tell
Jeremy!
You
said
that
he'll
kill
you
so
I'll
make
a
motion
on
zp
23-49
21
Morse
place
that,
since
this
was
on
a
consent,
agenda
item
that
we
approved
the
application
and
adopt
as
findings
and
recommendations
all
is
in
favor.
Q
A
We
have
the
applicant
here,
oh
sketch
plan
we
don't
take,
we
don't
swear
people
in
for
sketch
plan
review.
We
just
this
is
more
informal.
We
look
at
the
project
and
we
give
you
some
initial
feedback
so
might
as
well.
Introduce
yourself
tell
us
about
the
project.
Tell
us
why
you
didn't
bring
any
cookies,
which
I
smell
every
morning.
On
my
run
and.
U
V
V
Do
not
so
I'll
be
quick.
You
know
this
is
a
big
project
for
Rhino
we're
excited
about
it.
We'll
talk
to
you,
we've
really
in
the
phase
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
can't
do.
Martin
will
talk
a
lot
about
where
we
are
what
we've
done,
but
Rhino
is
a
privately
held
business.
We
have
about
200
and
a
little
over
200
employees.
Now
we
hire
a
lot
of
new
Americans
and
we're
very
fortunate
to
be
in
Burlington.
V
We
want
to
stay
in
Burlington
because
we
like
what
we
do
here.
We
like
the
City
of
Burlington
we're
on
the
bus
route,
which
really
helps
us
with
our
employee
base,
we've
grown
over
the
years
and
we
basically
make
a
lot
of
cookie
dough
and
bakery
products
inclusions
that
go
into
ice
cream
and
have
a
60
market
share.
So
we're
making
lots
of
cookie
dough
for
done
a
lot
of
different
things
to
grow
our
business
over
time.
V
V
So
you
know,
we've
been
very
focused
on
not
growth
in
our
business,
but
more
about
doing
right
by
business.
That's
really
what
is
important
to
me
and
and
everybody
that
works
at
Rhino.
So
we
really
are
excited
to
be
here
and
show
you
what
we've
got
going.
This
is
a
huge
project
for
Rhino
we're
a
small
business.
We're
privately
held
we're
not
trying
to
bring
Adventure
capital
or
sell
our
business,
so
this
would
be
a
way
to
really
solidify
what
we
have
in
Burlington.
V
U
Gonna,
if
you'd
like
I'll,
give
you
a
quick
kind
of
overview
of
what
the
what
the
plan
is,
if
that's,
what
you're
going
to
ask
for
okay,
so
looking
at
the
site
plan,
the
north
is
to
the
right
you'll
see
that
is
the
existing
building
with
existing
parking
again
to
the
right
there.
That's
around
44
000
square
feet.
The
proposed
expansion
that
we're
looking
at
is
around
65
000
square
feet.
U
What
we're
proposing
is
we'll
still
be
circulation
around
the
entire
site,
so
that
existing
curb
cut
will
remain.
That
will
be
for
employee
in
and
out
and
also
for
trucks
in
So.
The
plan
would
be
that
trucks
would
come
in
that
existing
entrance
loop
around
the
building.
As
you
can
see,
on
the
very
south
side,
the
southwest
corner,
there
will
be
10
new,
refrigerated
loading
dock
spaces
and
then
those
trucks
would
actually
continue
out
to
a
new
curb
cut
on
the
south
end
of
the
site.
U
We
are
proposing
some
parking
modifications,
as
you
can
see,
because
part
of
where
the
new
building
is
going
to
be.
There
is
existing
employee
parking,
so
we
are
showing
a
new
parking
lot.
There
will
also
be
new
storm
water
features,
utility
connections
and
site
grading
involved
with
this.
So
that's
the
quick
overview.
If
there's
any
questions
or
I
can
jump
into
this
kind
of
Staff
report
just
go
over
a
few
items
that
might
help.
A
It's
up
to
the
board,
I
I
mean
I,
know
that
I
know
the
site
extremely
well.
I
live
right
around
the
corner,
okay
run
by
it
250
days
a
year,
probably
to
get
to
Red,
Rocks,
so
I
know
very
well,
I,
know
the
ins
and
outs
very
well.
You
know
my
my
first
initial
reaction
to
it
was
you
know
it's
a
great
use
for
that
property.
A
I
had
questions
you
built
a
very
nice
stormwater,
Pond
out
front,
and
so
I
was
curious.
Is
that
going
to
remain?
How
are
you
modifying
that
at
all?
If
at
all,
it's
sort
of
in
that
corner?
Where
you're
proposing
to
you
know
it's
in
that
I,
don't
know
if
it's
remaining,
if
it's
getting
modified,
that
was
a
question.
I
had.
U
A
Know
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
is,
you
know
part
of
the
the
location
of
the
parking
right.
So
so
one
of
the
issues
in
the
staff
report
is
the
parking
goes
out
front
and
the
thought
I
had
is
you
know
when
I
go
buy
it
that
pond
grows
in
with
some
nice
Reeds
and
not
like
it's
Wildlife,
but
it.
You
know,
you
see
stuff
out
there
and
it
adds
sort
of
a
mitigating
feature.
A
So,
if
you're
going
to
put
parking
there,
something
that
matches
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
reads
that
grow
in
the
ditch
along
the
front,
but
something
my
initial
reaction
was,
you
know
I
can
understand
why
the
need
to
put
the
parking
out
front
exists,
but
you
know
it
shouldn't.
Just
you
know,
look
like
a
parking
lot,
dumped
out
front,
I,
think
I.
Think
some
mitigation
along
the
way
yep
along
Industrial
Avenue,
would
be
beneficial
yeah.
U
U
A
U
U
U
Point
but
we
are
proposing
we're
going
to
be
working
with
a
landscape
architect
to
have
plantings
on
the
sides
of
that.
This
kind
of
the
way
this
is
shown
does
have
looks
like
standing
water.
There
will
be
standing
water
immediately
after
storms,
but
it's
not
going
to
hold
water
all
the
time
to
grab
a
weapons
function
so.
U
The
buyer
retention
up
here
to
deal
with
the
storm
water
and
then
you
would
kind
of
quickly
touched
on
the
need
for
the
parking
there's
really
three
main
reasons
that
we're
proposing
the
parking
here.
Since
this
is
an
expansion,
we
do
need
the
new
building
to
kind
of
flow
with
the
production
space
that
exists,
so
the
manufacturing
is
kind
of
concentrated
back
here.
U
So
we
need
the
the
product
to
all
flow
from
that
space
to
the
new
space
to
the
Loading
Docks
and
part
of
that
also,
because
rhino
they
produce
a
Ready-to-Eat
food
product,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
food
safety
involved.
So
really
the
employee
entrance.
All
employees
have
to
really
enter
in
a
controlled
location,
one
employee
entrance,
which
is
the
existing
employee
entrance.
So
if
we
were
to
say
we
could
move
things
in
the
existing
building,
but
had
the
parking
back
in
this
location,
those
employees
would
have
to
walk
kind
of
pass.
U
V
I
think
it's
important
that
controlled
would
mean
not
like
just
a
fob
to
enter
the
building.
You
know
everybody
has
to
go
into
the
locker
room
and
get
into
a
uniform
and
then
leave
their
Crocs
put
their
self
over
the
other
side
put
on
boots.
So
it's
a
very
controlled
environment
in
our
locker
room,
so
the
concept
of
the
raw
materials
going
into
the
production
room
and
coming
back
out
to
the
freezer
is
really
critical.
The
the
people
flow
is
like
incredibly
important
and
the
production
flow,
so
we
actually
looked
at
that.
V
We've
hired
a
company
out
of
Connecticut
Food
Tech
to
do
the
initial
design
of
what's
inside
this
building,
but
we're
expanding
having
the
opportunity
to
do
some
more
production
if
we
grow,
but
also
bringing
our
warehousing
that
we
have
a
spot
over
at
Vermont
commercial
over
in
Williston
and
and
also
3pl
and
Avon
Mass,
and
that
would
that
would
bring
everything.
Under
One
Roof
would
just
make
us
much
more
efficient
and
hopefully
have
Delight
our
customers
by
not
raising
prices
every
year
as
much
as
we
are
right
now,.
Q
L
V
D
Q
J
A
V
D
V
From
the
other
one
but
I
it's
it's
sort
of
a
maybe
the
site
plan
is
better
look
it's
just
sort
of
like
we
need
we're
maximizing
the
space
to
be
able
to
do
what
we
need
to
do,
or
it's
not
worth
doing
and
so
I
think
it's
a
good
suggestion.
We
just
didn't
know
how
to
do
it,
and
then
you
know
that
manage
where's,
the
building
where's,
the
pond
where's
the
parking
where
the
trucks
it
just
turned
out
to
be
like
that.
I
guess
is
my
answer.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
right.
U
U
V
V
Lot
of
those
yeah,
so
we
we
have
a
we're
renting
how
much
right
now
60
000
square
feet
at
Vermont
commercial,
so
all
of
our
raw
materials
are
delivered
there
and
all
of
our
finished
goods
are
shipped
out
of
there.
So
there's
two
trucks
that
are
basically
bringing
raw
materials
over
coming
around
the
building.
Getting
finished
goods
are
frozen
and
taking
them
back
actually.
V
V
Right
now
we're
working
with
folks
about
incentives,
and
you
know,
like
we'd
love,
to
do
solar
panels.
Quite
frankly,
this
is
now
a
20
million
dollar
addition
right
here,
which
is
a
big
number
for
Rhino
Foods.
So
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
is
a
different
refrigerant
thickness
of
the
walls,
solar
panels
and
so
the
cost
of
like
every
incremental
difference
and
we're
working
with
Burlington
electric
and
talking
to
them,
and
some
other
folks
to
try
to
help
us
figure
out
how
to
do
it
in
the
perfect
world.
G
A
D
V
J
V
J
A
W
V
We
did
the
addition,
so
it's
hard
to
see
but
there's
a
small
addition.
We
did
a
15
000
square
foot
Edition
five
years
ago
and
that
was
part
of
our
plan.
There's
houses
right
near
there,
there's
about
four
houses
and
they're
actually
on
a
ridge,
so
they're
almost
looking
down
at
us.
So
we
did
it
for
three
reasons:
there
was
sort
of
the
wildlife
concern.
That's
why
the
bridges
staggered
I,
think
it's
good
for
shielding
just
visuals
and
then
the
final
was
for
sound.
First,
the.
V
Of
the
things
you
can't
see
is:
there's
a
pretty
big
burn
there.
It's
we
were
amazed,
there's
11
foot
elevation
change
from
the
corner
to
the
let's
see
what
am
I
saying
the
south
north
to
the
South,
the
Southwest,
so
there'll
be
actually
that
slope
will
be
up.
So
we
we
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
need
it
yeah
at
least
right
now.
It
isn't
part.
W
U
In
contact
with
them
this
week-
and
this
is
sketch
plan-
so
we
didn't-
you
know,
show
all
of
the
individual
Islands
or
the
shade
trees,
but
that
certainly
will
be
a
big
part
of
the
design
and
they
will
be
working
with
us
and
with
Andres
with
the
storm
water.
Design,
kind
of
the
Landscaping,
the
storm
water
and
the
site
are
all
really
co-mingled.
A
On
this,
the
follow-up
I
would
consider
looking
at
where
you
have
the
old
parking.
You
know,
maybe
adding
some
shade
trees
there
and
adding
some
Landscaping
there.
Don't
just
look
at
it
on
the
expansion
side,
because
then
it'll
sort
of
look
unbalanced.
You
know
if
you're
going
to
put
in
some
shade
trees
and
some
Landscaping,
you
might
want
to
put
it
on
the
North
side
as
well,
which
isn't
quite
in
your
plan.
But
you
know
I
understand
the
sketch.
We.
A
But
you
did
do
that
I
mean
there's
a
nice
entrance
to
the
building.
It's
fairly
prominent.
You
know,
I
I
know
we're
not
really
necessarily
commenting
right
now
on
the
the
conceptual
drawing,
but
you
know
I
would
consider
doing
something
you
know.
I
would
doing
something
that
that
isn't
just
the
big
block
of
Gray.
A
V
Let's
say
just
a
a
comment:
you
know
we
are
a
manufacturer
and
we
are
going
to
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
come
Toronto
are
proud
of
the
place
they
come
and
work,
and
you
folks
are
always
welcome
that
that
big
class
thing
is
a
is
a
break
room.
It's
gorgeous,
it's
beautiful,
it's
where
everybody
meets
and
gathers
and
sort
of
created
a
nice
Garden
there.
So
you
know
we're
all
about
trying
to
make
it
a
place.
People
want
to
come
to
work
versus
just
a
building
that
you
know.
V
V
G
E
A
D
X
So,
no
to
write
out
appreciate
that
you
are
before
and
that
and
that
you
were
and
that
you've
always
engaged
in
the
neighborhood.
Whenever
you've
been
doing.
These
expansions
and
I
really
appreciate
that
so
as
a
neighbor
I'm
in
Redbox,
and
we
put
them
to
get
a
better
sense
of
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
noise
and
lights
and
traffic.
X
You
mentioned
the
possible
change
to
a
different
refrigerant
in
the
refrigerant
that
you
have
makes
this
high
pitched
piercing.
Squealing
noise
and
you've
been
really
great
at
trying
to
time
that,
when
it's,
not
when
everyone's
sleeping
so
I
just
wanted
to
hear,
you
speak
about
a
little
bit.
First
about
the
refrigerant.
V
Yeah,
so
let
me
clarify
that
the
the
noise
you're
talking
about
is
the
liquid
nitrogen
deliveries
on
those
big
tanks.
So
we're
not
we're
not
proposing
any
any
more
of
those
when
I
talked
about
the
refrigerant
I
meant
the
freezer
inside
the
new
edition.
So
those
will
be
that's
what
I
was
referring
to
you're
entirely
correct.
The
biggest
challenge
for
us
in
working
with
the
neighbors
is
when
the
delivery
comes
with
a
truck
of
liquid
nitrogen
and
those
that
will
not
change.
V
This
no
I
would
answer
it.
This
way
is
the
number
of
deliveries
of
liquid
nitrogen
is
directly
related
to
how
much
product
we're
making.
So
this
project
primarily
is
a
warehouse.
It
does
have
room
for
expansion
for
more
production
space,
but
again,
that's
really
dictated
by
the
growth
of
our
business
and
the
revenue.
It's
not
necessarily
dictated
by
this
expansion.
If
that
answers
your
question.
X
V
V
The
reason
is
is
because
all
our
raw
materials
now
are
delivered
over
to
Vermont
commercial
warehouse,
and
then
we
bring
them
over
on
our
own
trucks
that
you
see
those
Rhino
trucks,
we're
bringing
those
back
and
forth
all
day.
Long
now
like,
if
you
said,
a
delivery
of
flour,
would
come
straight
to
this
building
versus
going
to
the
warehouse
and
then
bringing
it
over
here.
D
A
Yeah
I
mean
it's
a
fine
question.
I
I
actually
do
think
the
Apple
can
answer
that
I
mean
I
think
this
is
generally
sketch
plan,
and
these
are
important
details
to
work
out.
Obviously,
I
would
recommend
you
know
before
you
reach
out
to
the
ward,
5
NPA
and
and
have
a
discussion
with
them.
There's
obviously
some
neighbors
who
have
interest
in
this.
A
You
know
the
lights
are
important
to
to
consider
as
I
asked
about
Trump
trips
there's
a
reason
for
that.
You
know
I.
Think
Susie
brings
up
a
good
question
about
the
you
know.
Are
you
going
to
add
liquid
nitrogen
tanks
and
and
what
impacts
those
will
have?
It
is
a
constrained
site
as
to
the
backyard
I
mean
I
know
those
houses
like
she
looked
at
buying
one
of
those
houses,
and
you
can
definitely
hear
the
rooftop
equipment
mechanical
and
and
it's
important
to
balance
that
out.
U
And
again
this
is
sketch.
Rhino
has
been
thinking
about
some
of
those
things,
so
some
of
the
equipment
is
actually
under.
The
current
iteration
is
proposed
to
be
inside
there's.
Actually,
some
mechanical
inside
that
would
usually
be
outside
it's
a
little
more
expensive,
but
that
could
produce
a
better
project.
There's
still
maybe
some
roof
mounted.
There
may
be
some
exterior.
Everything
will
be
screened
appropriately,
but
we'll
certainly
take
that
you
know
under
advisement.