Chittenden County, Vermont City of Burlington, 16 Nov 2022

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From YouTube: Burlington Airport Commission - 11/16/2022

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00:00:00 CALL TO ORDER
00:00:07 AGENDA
00:02:27 PUBLIC FORUM
00:03:02 CONSENT AGENDA
00:04:12 Orientation on Public Right-To-Know
00:53:28 Sustainability Implementation Plan (SIP) Update
01:29:39 Utility Easement with GMP - Williston/Valley Road
01:31:31 Purchase of Liquid Deicer Unit for Runway - Fortbrand
01:36:37 CONSTRUCTION UPDATE
01:52:13 FINANCIAL UPDATE
02:05:03 NOISE MONITORING SYSTEM DATA
02:14:38 COMMISSIONERS' ITEMS
02:14:53 DIRECTOR'S REPORT
02:23:04 FOLLOW-UP ITEMS

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A

We have Quorum so we'll call this meeting of the airport commission to order at 405 pm. The first item on the agenda is the agenda. Doing here is working to approve the agenda as presented.

B

uh Some of and a second.

C

A

Thank you. Any discussion, I have just one modification to the agenda that uh item 11.01 should really be uh in follow-up items would be 1301, so we'll still talk about it. It's just technicality that that Helen presenting uh today is Helen asking for a follow-up on the airport sustainability plan, so that is the one modification I would propose to the agenda foreign.

B

Just one question of clarification on the agenda too. uh The last item- 14. I, know that we have discussed changing our dates to the first Wednesday of the month. Is that going to happen in December? Is that going to happen later.

A

On, or is that not going to happen so the the current processes we meet on the third Wednesday of the month upon the ratification of the new rules of procedures? We would we're looking at moving that to the first Wednesday of the month, although certainly if there are issues that we know are going to come before the council, we will serve on a one-off basis, move those to be the first ones and.

D

I'll just add that, at the request of of myself and the staff, that's what would be preferable so that we can meet other City deadlines.

A

D

A

Think about it specifically just December 21 work or would you prefer.

D

That be December, 7th I would prefer it to be December 7th, okay,.

D

We have a couple meetings in December, I, think 5 and 12 December 5th and 12th, or the 12th that we're trying to hit. So the seventh would be a very good right. Okay,.

A

So we'll shoot for the the seventh any other discussion on the agenda hearing down all those in favor of adopting the agenda as amended, please signify by saying aye.

E

A

Any opposed you have an agenda item, three is public forum.

A

I can say they're all a normal crew is anyone on from the public today.

A

F

Is a meeting that was given assisting ability, presentation, okay,.

A

Got it so I'm used to seeing Oh is, is um they're under attendees got it? Thank you all right. So we will close out public forum item. Four. Is the consent agenda? Do we hear a motion to approve the contents of the consent agenda so.

B

Moved in a second thank.

A

You Helen any discussion.

A

Nick any comments. You want.

D

To make on yeah I mean again as I reiterate every month, we're not quite there yet with pre-covered numbers, but we're almost there uh Marie's going to present uh the financial report and she's going to have a lot of great news on our revenues as you've heard in the last couple of months.

D

um But as you can see in September over last year, is is fantastic, but our real Benchmark is at 2019 number, not there yet, but slowly uh gaining traction if you've driven around our parking garage you'll see that it's quite full, um and certainly this weekend into next with the holiday travel. It's it's going to be busy excellent.

A

Any other discussion hearing down all those in favor of adopting the consent agenda, please signify by saying aye aye any post. Thank you item five orientation on public rights. Yeah Nick. Would you like to introduce our guest speakers I.

D

Would love to yeah so I I asked Pietro Lynn of Lynn Lin and Blackman and minitski.

G

D

To join us today to represent the the airport I'm hoping to retain uh Pietro and his firm for a couple of other things, but this is a great, a segue into uh an item that we've been talking about for some time at the commission level and I've worked with Pietro and other boards that I'm involved with and and really have learned quite a bit uh specifically related to public right to know and open meeting laws. So uh Pietro Lynn great. So so do you have a correctly as well.

G

Perfect, okay, so so look I I know that I don't have a lot of time. I I do want to talk to you about the open meetings. um What what I do know as.

H

G

Do a little research on who you are right like who? Who is this airport commission, and what do they do and I I? Don't think I need to tell you what you do, but it's interesting. You are clearly a public body.

G

um There are things that you do that are in a quasi-judicial capacity, they're things that you do as a a deliberative body and as a legislative body, um and that means that you are governed by the open meeting laws, and this is actually um let's talk a little bit about what the open meeting laws are and and why it's important for you that you comply with those laws. So the open meeting laws are a series of statutes that govern public agencies um and they don't apply to labor negotiations.

G

So so, if you are ever involved in labor negotiations as a board, there's a Vermont Supreme Court case that say that's different. That can never be subject to the open meeting laws, and so we don't need to worry about that as being part of your responsibilities, you know all the things that you have to do: agendas or Warnings. All of that does not apply to labor negotiations and that may matter, because you have a highly unionized Workforce in the city and I think here at the airport, but but other than that.

G

um If there is a quorum of you and you are together, that may be a public meeting and therefore governed by the open meeting laws and and.

H

The definition.

G

Under the statute is on the screen, it's a gathering of a quorum of the members of a public body that we talked about for the purpose of discussing the business of the public body or to take action. And so what that really.

H

G

Is that, if all of, if there is a quorum of you together, then- and you begin to talk about things having to do with the work that the airport commission does, that is likely subject to the open meeting laws and I? You know I get this question all the time, but but can we send emails to each other or can if we see each other at a party? Can we sit down and talk about these issues that we confront when we're all together? And the answer is no?

G

The answer is that if there is a quorum of you and you are communicating in any way about the business of that body, you are circumventing the open meeting was, if you have not warned it. If the public is not there, if there's not an opportunity for the public to participate, so we have to be incredibly disciplined in the way that we approach these issues.

G

Meetings can occur by Audio camera or other electronic means. I see today that we have at least two members who are attending via zoom, and this is you know the wonders of modern technology. It gives us an ability for people not to be actually in.

H

G

Still get a quorum I, remember back in the old days where my hair was not so great, um where you know that was not an option, and if people were sick or away meetings would fail. This is a wonderful development and I encourage boards to use it when they can.

H

G

Not apply this open meeting law, the concept of um warnings in public participation, and all of that does not apply when you are acting in what is called a quasi-judicial capacity, we'll talk about what that means in a few minutes.

G

Okay, so what I can tell you is that during covid there was a whole new set of emergency rules that were promulgated uh that that sort of address the issue, which is we we can't all be together, and we should not try to be together when there is this uh pandemic that we're all grappling with um you know.

G

I remember: I represent the the South Burlington school district and there was a time where they were having a meeting and the challenge was: how do we do a meeting and not have anybody present, um including the public, and there really wasn't any way to deal with it, because these rules apply right. The board members can attend by electronic means, but they must identify themselves when the meeting is convened, so the board members who did not identify themselves at the beginning of the meeting.

G

You need to do that next time and and it's pro forma, but it's important for purposes of the record, we're creating for I forgot Helen, and there was someone else who was attending remotely at the beginning of the meeting. You should say: I am this person I am a member of the commission and I am attending remotely.

G

um If, if the Quorum is remote, the public must have a location where it can physically attend and participate in the meeting, and then at least one staff, member of the of the of the commission or of the uh of the airport needs to be present at that location. To facilitate um those are the old rules. Those are not the coded rules, but the coveted rules are over. We have moved back to the old rules of remote attendance, so so what is a meeting right?

G

Like so we've talked we we've talked about yes, there's this thing, the open meeting laws and we know they have to they occur when there is a meeting. So so this is. um This is a meeting when a quora meets to consider governmental functions, including any matter over which the public body has supervision, control, jurisdiction or advisory pattern power. We talked about that already a little bit, but what is not I mean there's some things specifically in in the open meeting law that are Exempted from being a meeting ever and one of them was this.

G

Training right, like trainings, are not meetings. um It is not a meeting for uh for you to have communications, around scheduling or organizing agenda Distributing materials to discussing me to discuss at a meeting. uh None of those things are a meeting, not a meeting social Gatherings conventions, trainings press conferences so long as members do not discuss governmental business right.

H

I

You can all come to a press conference together.

H

Nick can get up and say.

G

It's a great day at the airport word and hear all the great things that are happening.

H

G

Meeting, but what you can see is the scope of what is not a meeting is incredibly narrow and very specific. Most things if you're talking about your business are a meeting and require you to do certain things. We're not going to do my hypothetical, but this might be important right, like a board. Chair sends an email to all board members that looks like this. Do you remember I, think the director is awful and should be fired. Here are the reasons why he.

A

Smells good adhesive.

H

G

Like oh I saw him drinking on the job. Let's discuss in a meeting right. This is not I mean this is crazy. Of course, we would never say this about Nick, but the the purpose of the hypothetical is to get you thinking. Can you send this out? Is this a violation of the open meeting law to have this kind of substantive discussion? And the answer is yes? Yes, what what you can do as the chair is?

G

You can send out a new agenda that says next job performance executive session item we're going to talk about that, but what you can't do is that and of course the response I got it I had similar words. Let's discuss at the meeting no write. Anything that is substantive, that you communicate to a quorum is not permissible.

G

H

The corollary is.

G

Also true, if you do not communicate it to a quorum, it's absolutely okay, so.

H

If it's just the two of you back and.

G

Forth, not a problem, but you are not a quorum and you can say whatever you want and that's: okay, okay, next slide, so quasi-2.

B

Differently, yes, please is it okay to ask questions yeah, yeah, no I want you to a scenario that you mentioned: I had a slightly different one. What if a group of missionaries realize that they would not have a quorum at the upcoming meeting and wanted to have a group email just to discuss when the next meeting is a.

G

Great question so and- and you you, uh you had me nervous until the end right. It's the end itself. When can we have a meeting? As you remember, the earlier slide talked about scheduling, scheduling is not a substantive discussion. Scheduling is, is specifically Exempted from the open meeting law. So that's fine, um so no problems there. What you, when you start bleeding over into- and this is what I think of this agenda item- or this is an agenda item and here's.

G

Why I think it ought to be, then you start um wandering into an area where perhaps you're having the kind of substantive discussions that require that they happen here under the bright lights, with the public present and an ability for people to evaluate what you're doing now. So what I would say to you is this: there.

G

There is a bias in the open meeting law and that bias is that um there is something magical about you having conversations in front of the public, with an ability for the public to evaluate for the dynamic that exists between all of you to be in the context of a warrant.

H

G

And so so two issues, one is you're all together when it happens right and- and it gets to happen under observation from the public and the other part, is the transparency around. You know the preview of Coming Attractions that that we issue warnings and agendas so that people can know in advance what are the interesting things that are going to happen here at this meeting, so I can know to come.

G

If it's something that interests me personally or or from a business perspective, though those are the two, if you take nothing else from this presentation, those are the things I want you to remember, save it till the meeting, if it's substantive and make sure that the public has their opportunity to come, observe participate on the issues that matter to them.

G

Okay, so quiz, like you, just look capacities now as I read this the rules having to do with the airport commission, you are involved in grievances right and grievances require that you act in what is called a quasi-judicial capacity. This, isn't you giving advice or making voting on action items or any of those things. This is you hearing evidence and argument from two sides uh weighing what you have heard and making a decision that affects.

H

The rights of one.

G

Of the parties, or both of the parties who have come before it, where that is the case, you.

H

G

Engaged in this quasi-judicial capacity- and that is essentially what you see on this slide- is that there will be statutes that define whether you get to go into executive session or those judicial proceedings, and there are certain rules that govern what you do when you are in them.

G

They have to be governed by principles of due process and they and ultimately there must be some writing that results from those proceedings that that explains why you are making the decision you have made around this adjudication of Rights between the parties uh right so here these are the principles that I just talked about right. The right to determination affect the law, the right to a partial finer effect, uh the right to hear the evidence used to prove the allegations.

G

These are all it's a very formal process that comes before you when you are deciding grievances now, I would say this. What is very important for you, as a board, is not to get too far down into the weeds, because the more you know about the issues that are coming before you when you're acting like a court, um the less you have an ability to engage in that process.

G

The courts require this Con, this concept of having impartial finders of fact um there is presumed bias if you go out and do your investigation before the issue comes before you or if you sit down with one side or the other and say hey, tell me about this issue, and so what it requires from from the commission is that you withdraw that you keep distance between you and the parties who are going to come before you that you not know too much about those issues before they arise and that you address them in a way that is fresh when they come before you and the people raise evidence.

G

Okay. So how do we protect the Public's right to attempt right? Remember the public does have a right to come to these meetings and they get to pick and choose the ones that matter to them. But what we know is that your decisions, any action items, must be made in Open Session, except for these quasi-judicial determinations right. We don't make any decisions in executive session. We can talk about things, but there are no votes in executive session.

G

uh We must have an agenda which has to be available before the meeting if it's requested and the agenda should address with specificity, what will be discussed or decided, and the commission should not act on items not on eh. So.

B

G

Is an incredibly important document and there's a slide later on that we'll use to talk about agenda, but that's your that that is your preview of Coming Attractions.

I

Right, that's your advertisement.

G

To the public and the the Vigor, that document is the less you have fulfilled your responsibility to provide the public with notice about what the issues are going to be. I am a firm proponent of a more detailed agenda so that people can pick and choose the items that matter to them.

G

um Meetings need to be warmed. If they're, not regular meetings and regular meetings are adopted. As a resolution, you don't need to warn them. You have what is it the third Thursday of every month or something like that? I saw that in your rules and- and so that's all- you need to do unless unless you have a special meeting or an emergency meeting, and if you have those they need to be warned to.

B

Do yes, yes, follow-up, uh because we were considering changing the dates yes on our next meeting, uh which is only three weeks from now or so um in terms of the calendar What's, the general rule of thumb, in terms of the length that a meeting needs to be worn on, because we might have a difficult time uh adequately warning this next thing. Well,.

G

So so the the uh for a special meeting, let's assume you're, going to call it a special meeting, because it's not your regularly scheduled meeting 48 hours. That's all you need to do um and that that's that's all that's required under the open meetings. uh If you're going to change, when you do your regularly scheduled meetings, then that's something that requires a little more formality and you know like you, need to change your rules. Obviously that govern the procedures that govern the commission and you need to notify the public through the normal channels.

G

Right, like you, posted on the on the bulletin board and send it to the newspaper and something like that, but but the but the reality is that if it is a special meeting, not a lot of notice has to be given 48 hours. If it's an emergency meeting, um you don't have to give notice at all. You have the emergency meeting and you do your best to give notice in advance. I'll talk about it in a minute, but the difference between a special meeting and an emergency meeting is quite significant right.

G

The emergency meeting with little or no vote is potentially is something that requires. You know like there's been a bomb found in the building and it blew up and you can't fly planes in and out of Burlington anymore. That's an emergency. An emergency is not um you know, we've got a pressing matter and there may be times where you'd all like to get together on really short notice, but I would suggest to you that that's really not a possibility that 48 hours for almost anything that I can think of short of this catastrophe is something.

A

That requires 48 hours.

A

So in this scenario, where we're contemplating moving the meeting well and I'm using that I guess that we're I don't know, it's amazing right we're thinking of having the meeting on the 7th instead of the 21st. Yes, so that would be a special meaning, but does the cancellation of the regular meeting.

G

It's like yeah, so.

J

G

I would encourage I would encourage this. um I I would give people notice that you're going you're going to cancel the regular meeting, because that's again, this is all about transparency and making sure that everybody knows what's going on um and at the same time I would I would comply with the 48 hours notice now I mean if you already know what you're gonna do, and you know the more notice. The better okay I mean, and you know, like you, get good turnouts here.

G

Right people come and people are on the TV and that's great and so the more notice they get the better off. We are right and and and- and maybe you want to do more than just the minimum to let people know because again, you know I've never seen a board get criticized for giving too much notice. I have seen boards get criticized for not giving enough.

D

All right, so it's just for reference to Pietro and I. Don't know if the commission knows.

H

D

Post a physical agenda in various locations around the city, so we post uh at DPW at the library and at City, City, Hall itself, every single time um and that's inclusive, a special meeting or or, of course, our regular meetings. We also include that cancellation, okay, so you posted okay on top of all the digital reformats that would have websites which.

G

Is fabulous right, I mean that's, that's exactly how you want to do it? Okay, so who? Who gets to say what this is a you know? This is for these folks back here. um This is an important part of what um we all do. You have this thing called public comment period. I think you called it something else. I forgotten the name that you used for it.

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G

So so the the principle is simply this: that people get to come and get to talk at these readings if they want to and what so I I don't know that it's ever going to get out of control at an airport commission meeting, but but there are public agencies where um things get quite emotional, where people have very strong feelings about the issues and they um you know it can be disruptive or they're very committed to saying what they want and the challenge is to know um you know what is the extent to which people get to to say and do things.

G

What are the limits? How do we make sure the limits are enforced in a way? That's fair, uh and what I would say is that there are reasons that the chair, you can establish reasonable rules. It doesn't require a vote of the entire commission. Just a chair and the chair um Can inform people in advance what those rules are going to be and I strongly encourage it right. I mean we all, as human beings react better when we know what the rules are in advance, not when they're imposed On Us Mid.

G

You know mid-speech, uh so so what are the rules? um What we know is this from the statutes from the open meeting laws. um They can't be based on what we say right. So if somebody wants to come in here and uh my friend Matt who I just met tonight comes in here, and he wants to talk about the Red Sox- that we can all roll our eyes and say you know Matt dude, that's got nothing to do with why we're here, but we can't stop them that Matt's entitled to say whatever he wants.

G

If he thinks it's important that you as a commission are aware of the Red Sox record yeah, it's so be it! That's that's right, um but we can limit the amount of time we can require Civility and restrict the use of profanity.

G

um We we can limit repetition uh and we must be careful when we do this when we fashion these rules to make sure they're applied in a neutral fashion right we can't.

G

But what we can't do is let Matt who we like go on forever and talk of you know and use bad words or whatever and with a person we don't like, um restrict them in ways that are uh different than what we did with Matt and what I always encourage commissions boards agencies to do is to use the rules and apply them in the same neutral way to every person, no matter what uh every time so so uh again here are some rules that you may, and you know, like I, you didn't do it and nobody even wanted to say anything so maybe on sort of barking into the dark here, but but what I always tell boards is you never know and it's it and what you don't do is dust off some rules when you need it, what you do is you have the rules always and then you can't be accused of trying to restrict speech right.

I

Because that's.

G

Important right, this is about Free Speech rights and rights guaranteed to vermonters under the open meeting law. So if you're going to have rules fashioned by the chair, then let's, let's have those rules always and let's make sure that you uh announce those rules. Always- and here are some rules that that work. If there's a.

A

Quick question: yeah yeah, please, so we very rarely have a large number of members of the public at this meeting. So we don't have like a bullet one. We don't have a limit if there were 30 people who showed up yes, I would say before we started public forum that we would be limiting to three minutes or whatever length of time. Is that an issue that it's not consistent between meetings, because it would be consistent within the meeting for everyone who's present that day? But it's not consistent from.

G

Meeting and meeting so so let me let me respond in this way, because there's not a simple answer to that. It's a great question. um Look the the! What is a reasonable restriction on speech depends on the number of people who want to talk.

G

um So, for example, years ago I was in a meeting where there were a hundred people who showed up and they all.

H

G

To talk so the board chair said you each have 30 seconds right, and that was reasonable. Under those circumstances, however, what I would say to you is that I think it's important what I wouldn't want is for people to.

H

G

Yeah we're all here all 30 of us, because we feel strongly on this issue and the reason you're restricting us is you want to shut us down and I think it's important to have rules around the duration of public comment for everybody at all times and you can increase or decrease those rules. Given the volume of people, the number of people who want to talk that.

A

That's what I'm, so it's better to have a consistent, Rule and relax it if necessary.

G

Well, I I, wouldn't relax it I would restrict it right, like I would not go up because think about it. How many people who come to public conflict right? This is not somebody talking on an agenda. This is somebody just coming to your meeting to talk how many people really have something to say that is not repetitious. That goes beyond three minutes, not a lot. My experience is three minutes is generally enough time for.

H

Somebody to say you.

G

Know you've been dealing with this issue and I think you need to understand. I feel badly about this issue and I want you to do the following thing that was 20 seconds right, so so I just I I encourage and maybe it's five minutes. Maybe it's 20 minutes, but I just encourage a limited amount of time. That is the general rule. And then, if you have a gazillion people who want to talk, then maybe you you ratchet that down to a to accommodate more people, so you can actually get to you.

G

um So those are the rules that I, you know. I I think um you should announce in advance.

G

K

Going to do that before you go on, can I ask a question. Sorry.

C

K

Course, ahead from the side here, um this is Robin um just wondering it seems like. Sometimes people really show up, because they want to get questions answered and given the rules it says you know we don't we don't. There is no onus on us to answer questions um uh yes, but um is there so.

G

Sorry, because we are required.

K

To ask any good answer, questions.

G

No I I get where you're coming from. So this is what I would say. Public comment is contemplated by the open meeting. Laws is just that comment right and your job is to listen um respectfully and um to take in that information and do what you think is the right thing to do. um There is no obligation to answer questions and and oftentimes um what happens when you start answering questions. Is that it it it prolongs? It creates this.

E

G

Process, it gets you into items that are not on the agenda and I would suggest to you that if there's something that's pressing, it needs to get on the agenda, because it's not fair to the rest of the public. Who may be deeply committed to those issues or all of a sudden. The board to engage in what looks.

I

Like an agenda item.

G

At this on the spur of the moment, because somebody asked a question, you.

I

Know like if somebody comes in and says.

G

This is a really important issue and.

I

By the way, I'd.

G

Like it to be on the agenda um that that's perfectly legit and that's something that we ought to consider, but but if once we start getting into a back and forth about an issue, what we're really doing is we're engaging in something that looks an awful lot like what we would do if it.

H

F

Agenda but without that preview.

H

F

Attraction so the.

G

Rest of the public can know that. That's what we're going to do does that make sense. Robin. Yes,.

K

And I'm, so then the follow-up to that would be um one of the things that I've of attending lots of parts around Burlington um in public comment is. There is rarely someone that actually makes that statement. This is this is public comment. We are here to hear you, um but not to answer direct questions that would have to be on agendas. Is it worth making that statement at the beginning of public comment of of what is public comment for those I? Don't understand, I.

G

So Robin I I am so with you on that I think it's incredibly important so that people don't think you're being rude, you're, not and and I think it's absolutely reasonable to explain why, so that people understand that this isn't just us refusing to answer questions This, Is, Us, respecting everybody else's right to be involved. If we get into this kind of thing, yeah.

C

G

So you know look again if it's, if it's important enough, the chair can get it on the agenda. The the board can vote it on to the agenda and it can become a full-blown issue and you can explore it in a way that satisfies ever, but right.

A

So question on that point because I see your second bullet there, it says the agenda may be modified at the beginning of a meeting. Yes, by the time we get to public forum, the meeting has already started correct, so can it be modified? No.

D

Right so right.

G

So then we can't.

A

Make it an agenda.

G

But you can right. Okay, you can say.

E

Next time around.

A

All right because remember.

G

We want to advertise it right. We want people to know, what's going on the agenda, so we we advertise it. We warn it and we put it on the bulletin boards or wherever else Nick said they put these things and we give people the opportunity to come to the meeting and not just this one person.

H

A

Wants questions answered right so to be clear, we can't, if it's not on the agenda at the end or modified at the onset of the meeting, a subject of something we.

G

Actually can't engage in a discussion. You should not because look so what I will always say to you is there are no open meeting law police right. Nobody comes in and throws on the handcuffs and says you know you're busted, because you violated the open.

I

G

But, but really, if we're, if we're going to serve the public, the way we're supposed to the answer is: no. We don't do that and we don't do that, not because we're rude, but because we have an obligation not just to the individual but to the community as a whole.

G

Okay, so so like.

H

The agenda right.

G

So the agenda is this: this is an critical document that you've created and the chair. Does it I mean like what incredible power the chair is responsible for deciding what the agenda is right. You.

H

G

Decide who gets to talk about what and, and so um that is the power of the chair, there can be conversations uh with the chair in advance of the agenda saying.

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This and what about that um and that's all acceptable But? Ultimately, the chair decides, except when you show up at the meeting and at the meeting a majority of the board can vote on motion to amend the agenda right, but but it requires emotion right. If you want to change the agenda, it is I move to change the agenda by doing this thing, and then um you need a second and then the question is: do we vote on? Is there a majority? That's votes, yes, and if so, then it finds its way onto the agenda.

G

I strongly discourage that for all the reasons I talked about before, because this is a sneaky way of not letting the public know what you're going to be talking about right. It is far better to defer it to a later meeting. Get it on the agenda. Have it warrant give people that opportunity to show up and shake their fists at you if they want to? Okay and again the.

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Other item is this: this one here right we want agenda items to be specific. We want it to be a description where everybody understands what you're talking about so that they have an ability to choose whether they want to attend um yeah. So the the board wishes to discuss the aviation directors performance. The agenda indicates executive session will be regarding a confidential Personnel matter. Is that enough, and the answer is no right like we need something more specific. So, for example, when we're talking about executive session items, we.

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G

To have the public to have an ability to know a specificity what's going on so that they can challenge it if they think it's inappropriate for you to be going into executive sessions to talk about that now. How would we discuss that, like you know whether Nick is doing a good job or not?

G

We wouldn't say whether Nick is doing a good job or not, but what we might say is evaluation of Administrators performance right, we're not identifying Nick, but we're making clear that this really is a Personnel matter which might be subject to um executive section rules and get us out of public session okay.

G

um So so this is. uh This is the kind of thing that I think is super important right. This might be what we do with an agenda it's longer than what you're doing now and and again just descriptive right, duration of the time that will these are. This is what's in the statute by the way, the duration of the time that will be dedicated to the item, the date, the time and location of the meeting.

G

um You know adjustments to agenda what must be on the agenda if you're going to adjust the agenda um and and good descriptions so that people know what's going on um minutes right. So so we talked about previews of Coming, Attractions, the agenda and, and now um and now this minutes, what did we actually do, and this is for people who were not here and I would say this minutes are uh and overlooked and undervalued piece of what you do.

G

It is really the only official record of what you have done here in your work or the public, and so we need to pay close attention to the minutes that we create, and there are a lot of places where minutes are sort of an afterthought and I I just urge people to re-evaluate that approach, they're required for all meetings um they cover, they must cover topics and motions that arise at the meetings and give a true indication of the business of the meeting. That's that's what I said.

G

um Mandatory information includes who's there all active participants right, everybody who participating motions.

I

Proposals and resolutions, and what was done by.

G

The vote board the result of any vote with a record of individual votes. If roll call is taking voice votes, you know, there's no, there's no requirement just that a pass um and and proposals I, don't know what a proposal is, but but it's in the set um executive session I'm sorry Nick I'm, going along I apologize.

D

It's it's board's, meaning.

G

All right, I'm, sorry, Lord I'm going a little bit long. But let me talk to you about executive session and then I'll wrap it up because I know you've got other important business.

B

To do are we gonna have a copy of this yeah, absolutely.

G

um So the executive session is this: is this exception to transparency, feel like it's doing things in secret and um I always encourage boards to do it as little as possible and then to make sure you have really good reasons when you do um the concept here. Is that there's some things that are? You know that that, as a matter of course, should be kept secret and we'll talk about those, and then there are other things that, depending on what they are, may be secret.

G

These are the two categories right and and the let's, let's move to the first. These are the maybe maybe they ought to be an executive session and the the test in terms of whether they go into executive session or not. Is this specific finding that premature, general public knowledge would clearly place the public body or somebody else, some other person at a substantial disadvantage?

G

Okay, so I'll breathe deeply for a moment, and so what am I talking about? Well, there's something! You know these are all items where you go. Yeah I can see where that might put us at a disadvantage. So, let's start with contracts, if Nick's negotiating with United Airlines and wants to talk about it and wants to talk about you know his negotiating positions and where he'll go and where he won't clearly disadvantage to us. If we do that in public right, because the United people are sitting on the side, they go.

G

Oh that's good to know you know we don't want that. So so that's easy right and all it would all it requires. Is that when you vote to go into executive session, you say um there are two parts and you can do it all at once or you can do it in in two separate boats, specific finding of disadvantage and that it's about contracts right and this, and this extends to Labor Relations agreements, arbitrations mediations grievances, pending civil uh litigation or attorney-client Communications.

G

All of those things now this uh here I am at a public meeting, I'm doing a training but I'm giving you advice now. Somebody has decided that you know it's okay for me to give you this advice in public, um but there may be times where getting advice from a lawyer. You want it in private and that's what this statute says so here.

G

Those are the list of things where, maybe probably um you get to do it in executive sessions, but only after really thinking about whether there's a disadvantage and and then there are those things which are the things where you always get to doesn't matter.

G

Advantage disadvantage doesn't matter, here's a list of things that that might um get you into executive session, buying real estate, uh hiring firing evaluating employees, disciplinary actions um that this would matter right like security issues right, if we're going to talk about things where there's a Peril to Public Safety right like what what are security plans for the airport, we.

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G

Just everybody to know about it, those are kind of kinds of things that get you into executive session and then and then there's some records.

G

If you're going to talk about those records, things that are exempt from the public records act, those all go in uh can support executive sessions, okay, um executive session rules- all you need to know is this right, don't take notes um you can, if you want to, but you probably shouldn't um you all it takes, is a majority for you to go into executive session and you can't do anything there other than talk. If you're ever going to do anything, you have to come out and vote in public now.

G

So let me let me, uh should I talk to them, Nick about a.

J

G

Of interest yeah.

J

G

Look um a conflict of interest is those are terms that are thrown around a lot and um it's a very specific thing, and this is what I would say. This is I borrow this from the Vermont school boards Association, because I've always felt like it's. The best definition I've run into um it means that a board member's private interest has distinguished from their own personal interests, um so so they're from the public interest would benefit or be harmed from their actions as important.

G

So the way to think about this is, you know like if this is something things specific to you and there's some Advantage, some disadvantage that flows from the decision. If a relative is involved or if there's financial gain that will come to you or someone you love. These are things you should not be involved in. These are areas where there really is a conflict of interest.

G

If you have strong feelings about something, that's not a conflict of interest. You.

H

G

You if you've been you, know, sort of delayed by the airlines 20 times in the last 50 days, and you know, like you, feel, very strongly about some rule that will deal with it. That's that's! That's absolutely! Okay and that's not a conflict of interest um this. This there's this other thing called an appearance of a conflict of interest, and you know what an appearance of a conflict of interest. Is it's not a conflict of interest? It's something else right. We talked about what a conflict of interest is.

G

This is something where somebody is saying to you: hey that doesn't look and smell right or you look at it. You say: yeah I, don't have a conflict as as we just talked about it, but but maybe I need to disclose it, because somebody looking at this might think I did and what you should do when that happens is hey, get it out on the tape right talk about it right describe what the issue is explain why it's not a conflict uh if or acknowledge the conflict.

G

If it is, and you know and then withdraw, and when you have a conflict, it doesn't mean that you get to sit and talk about it and not vote. It means like get out of the room right like you're. This is not your thing right.

G

You've already decided that you're you've got a conflict and your facial expressions or your body, language or whatever it is, um may impact the conversation, and so what I always tell um members of boards or agencies who are involved in open meeting laws issues is get out just leave the room until that issue is over. That's the safest best, most um Integrity uh filled way.

I

Of doing things and.

G

Then no one can later say or claim that you're, you know engaging in some form of non-verbal communication. To get your way, nobody can say that you know you didn't leave and therefore your presence altered the outcome.

G

Okay, um confidentiality, you probably know about that. Let me just quickly talk about this issue and then I'll wrap up. um Look, uh it's not just open beating laws that that governs the the Public's right to know what you're up to it's, also uh the public records act and believe it or not. Almost everything you create every document.

G

Every note you create in connection with this work is a public record and um the public will be almost always entitled to see those documents if they make a request of the commission or the city, and so our job is to make sure um that those documents are available, and so uh what we know is this uh any emails text messages notes that you create. They all have to be preserved, they're public records now because they were created in the context of the work you were doing for the City of Burlington and the airport commissions.

G

um There are some things that are exempt, but let me give you my tips um what's important is use, always use this, the city or the airport email system. Don't don't use your personal system and you may ask why? Because we don't have to, we don't want to have to go pawing around to your personal emails to find city.

G

You know City documents, you know, keep it keep it separate, make it easy, have it all on the server and as as to your notes, um don't take them home and Destroy them, you're, probably going to have to give them up to Nick and they probably have to be preserved in some fashion.

I

Because they are.

G

Public records once they're created um executive.

H

G

Don't need to be produced, but they too are public records and have to be preserved. So so I guess what I'm saying to you and I'll wrap it up here, because I've gone well well beyond my 20.

H

G

I apologize for that um and there there's much more. We could talk about if you had more time um look. This is uh this can be onerous, I get it, uh but in the end, if we're, if we're just very disciplined about how we go about running our meetings, how we communicate um what we you know on what medium media we communicate with this is all very doable.

G

um Questions concerns, criticisms, I'm all yours.

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G

um You know like this is a very informal group guess what I have not seen Robert's Rules of Order used here right, like it's very specific and I'm again nobody's going to come and put you in jail for not enforcing Robert's Rules of Order, but it contemplates that we're going to do things in a certain way. People have to be recognized before they get to speak right, I mean we've got to make sure that people speak only on agenda related items and, and all of that is sort of the responsibility of the sheriff.

G

So when you took that on, um you didn't realize all the things you're gonna have to do and I would just encourage that level of formality and it's hard because these are small groups and people become familiar with each other. But the.

H

G

Is we really do need to make this incredibly formal? That's that's what your rules say.

B

Speaking of formalities, you mentioned that uh we should use our city or government our non-personal, email, correct.

H

B

I thought I remember early on Hannah talked about that or we would have access to that because I've been using just my personal one and.

D

You do have a city, email account and we'll make sure we're connecting you to the to the right, login and.

G

Again, this is I mean it's not a violation of the open meeting laws for you to do that, or even the public records act, but it what it means is. If somebody wants to see your Communications, it may include looking through your emails and that's not comfortable.

G

Any other questions.

A

Helen or Robin do you have any questions.

G

I'm sorry, hello, Robin I am not looking at you, but I can't see you. So that's! Okay! That's.

K

Okay, I would turn on my it. The the host hasn't enabled the video, so it's it's not available to to undo but um the so you covered sort of. If you were worried that you have a conflict of interest, then you can, um uh you can just be transparent. Is this a conflict of interest, but um it sort of leads one to wonder. Okay, we get the agenda, we look at the agenda and we go.

K

Oh that might be a conflict of interest and instead of you know, maybe waiting until you get to the the next meeting. Is it appropriate to reach out to the chair or someone else prior to that meeting and say? Does this sound like a conflict to you so.

G

So look what I? What I would say is this that the more you announce your you know your conflict or explore your conflict, the better off you are, uh and it really is it's a question of transparency around your particular situation. So you know if you're asking you know, oh I see something on the agenda. It looks funky totally totally uh hierarchy, um so it's totally appropriate for you to be in touch with the chair and say hey. What is this agenda item because I may have a conflict and explore that?

G

It's you and then, when you get to the meeting say I do have a conflict and here's what it is and for that reason, I'm gonna get up and you know, go down and get a smoothie or whatever it is you're going to do and come.

K

Get me when it's over yeah, it just seems more potentially more efficient.

G

K

And there's nothing.

H

That there's nothing to prevent you from doing it and look efficiency, matters I. Think that's an awesome idea.

K

I

Okay, my only comment is that was an excellent presentation. I think yeah.

G

Thank you. That's.

I

Great I'm I'm quite familiar with it, but it was good.

A

So my only question and again this is really helpful. Some things I gotta start reading about I guess, but, um as you saw before this meeting, we were wondering if for a moment we would have Quorum for he's.

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A

Meeting today we have had it happen where you know, because of technology in the middle, in the middle of the meeting, he suddenly lose core and so just curious. What the rules are around that you.

G

Can't meet without a quorum right, and so, if you lose a quorum because somebody's uh connectivity goes away, I'd wait till they come back before you do anything else. Okay,.

A

And so the way we then sort of the follow-up to that is the way we structure our agenda. We try to put the action items towards the front, so we can get them done and then we have a lot of reporting that happens on the back end. So Financial, recording, updates on construction are those updates permissible if we are not if we do not have quorum.

G

So the short answer is no right, because you are not supposed to do anything even take in information in a meeting without a quorum presence right. The the Quorum is what creates the meeting, and um so, if you lose your Quorum, you should not be doing anything and and I I know it sounds silly and formalistic, and maybe it's both, uh but but there there is this, the the the the underlying bias. The underlying tenet is that there is a magic of having a quorum present.

G

That makes this better you know and and that you should not have any meetings, any actions as a board even listening in the context of a meeting without that foreign.

A

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G

You very much and I'm very sorry. I went too long. That's okay, I think it's all good! It's.

D

All good, thank you so much.

G

Gotcha take care bye, everybody.

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A

So that wraps up item five, we move on to item six, which is the sustainability implementation.

D

Is that yours, it it? Well, it's it's mine. The teams and I'm gonna introduce uh another speaker tonight. uh uh So Danny is uh with us from vhp. um If you remember, we signed a contract with VHB uh about a year ago to start uh inventorying and undertaking our sustainability plan. uh We're not there yet to present the actual findings, so we're still Gathering an extensive amount of information um and Donnie and his team uh are able to uh to help us with that, because it is truly extensive.

D

uh The the amount of information we're Gathering uh we've heard uh some feedback, not not only from Helen and the the South Burlington City Council, and the staff from South Burlington, as well as uh the folks uh in Burlington in the city council of Burlington, to make sure that we're, including aircraft uh uh carbon emissions, which we are also doing in our inventory uh process.

D

I am happy to report. Actually Larry and I just returned last night at about 11 pm from Chicago him and I were at a uh what's called an Airport's going green conference.

D

It said uh worldwide conference we had folks from New Zealand, uh the Puerto Rico, uh all sorts of Bogota uh and, of course, all over the country of some of the major airports that Larry and I were able to participate in um uh specifically regarding, of course, airports and what they're doing for their sustainability and their climate action plans not just related to aircraft but related to building building buildings.

D

How to incorporate some really sustainable efforts in in that food waste, solid waste, water conservation, diversion of of some of the waste. So there's there's an extensive amount of uh information that we brought home. I haven't been able to catch up with the team just yet, but also an extensive amount of action items uh that I'm excited to just start sharing slightly off from where we are with the sustainability plan.

D

But Donnie I've asked to come here to kind of present again uh what the scope of work that Donnie is and his team are, are pursuing, as well as a status update up from there. So if you're all right with it absolutely Donnie, uh take it away. Thank you, darling.

E

Sure and Nick did you see my colleagues uh Carol and Katie Shannon over there at the airports going green.

D

New Cairo is there I wasn't.

L

D

There's a couple hundred people but I I.

M

D

That was her. She was wearing.

M

Masks, yeah, she's, yeah, she's, always wearing masks, I think she was there just for the one day yeah, um so greetings.

E

We can talk about that later. Yeah, oh.

M

E

So we're good to start Larry yeah.

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So uh greetings uh Donnie goris called with BHB um I'm based in um in and around Boston area, but I'm working across the country, actually um in New England, mostly but and uh I've, worked on other airports um outside of the New England region, currently working on Tucson as well, but worked at uh Salt, Lake, City um and other Air Force as well, including San Francisco.

M

um Tonight we're going to be talking about the BTV sustainability management plan, giving you an update, um I know that you guys have taken a look at our scope of work prior to uh tonight, uh but, like Nick, said, I want to give you just a brief overview of that.

M

um What we're going to be doing um we're building off of the 2019 highlights report, so the sustainability brochure that I'm sure all of you are familiar with. uh We produce that as part of the Master Plan update uh some years ago. That brochure includes a wealth of information, but very little analysis on you know where btv's performance is particularly with it. You know in itself compared to its Trends, but compared to a bunch marked against other airports uh within the region and outside the region.

M

um What we're doing here today again is building off of that brochure, but developing some baseline studies, so the Baseline studies include energy and greenhouse gas emissions, Waste Management, ground transportation, water resources and passenger experience. I highlighted the energy and greenhouse gas emissions. uh Baseline study uh on this slide, because I have a couple of other slides that I want to showcase here: focus on the greenhouse gas emissions inventory, which is the current our current Focus as part of this project.

M

Now the actual inclusions of these different topic areas and how they're assessed and how they're looked at is yet to come. I mean there's multiple topics that could be assessed as part of Waste Management as part of ground transportation, Water Resources Etc, but we want to make sure that we're going to be addressing and talking about the topics that are most relevant to BTV, and um you know areas where you can have the most impact and the greenhouse gas emissions inventory is going to Traverse all of these different topics.

M

But it will provide the information necessary to determine you know where those areas are that you may want to. You know send your and make your Investments um once we go through the and develop the Baseline studies. We want to work with you to develop the sustainability policy and a set of goals um stemming from those goals identifying and evaluating strategies, uh developing phasing for those strategies, developing a program in performance monitoring um framework that you can.

M

You know, take with you, so you will have some baseline numbers as part of the Baseline studies, we'll measure those against the goals and the strategies and the targets that we identify and through performance monitoring and in progress program. You'll, be able to say, okay. Well, we've made, you know, x, amount of progress since our Baseline back in 2022 2023.

M

prepare the sustainability management plan, just wrapping it all together and general assistance, Services uh we're providing sort of on-call support to Nick and Larry Shelby as well, in terms of anything that really pops up from a sustainability perspective, whether it's reviewing a grant looking at some solar, citing really being the go-to resource for sustainability at the airport and way to do so and anything that we learn through those Endeavors gets built into the sustainability management plan.

M

You have a lot going on at the airport, um so this is an opportune time to develop this sustainability program and understand where your emissions are and where your impact.

I

M

Overall from the sustainability standpoint, so the greenhouse gas emissions inventory, uh the last one that was produced, was 2010 and that's my understanding that it was produced by the City of Burlington and I didn't emanate from the airport itself.

M

There was very limited information within that climate action plan from the city and from what I gather was about Circa, 2020 2012., um so about a decade old now and then the Baseline that was used for the airport was 2010., so it is quite old and what we're going to be doing is updating that inventory, but using a process and a program that is more specific to the airport.

M

There are certain protocols and guidance documents that are specific to airports, uh that will we will be following and I'll get into that in just just a second, uh but first uh we're going to be using a 2019 Baseline. So we went back and forth with uh the BTV team and it's our understanding that really you haven't completely recovered from covid.

M

um So using a pre-covered number is likely the best scenario that we could utilize to estimate what you're real and Emissions might be. So we're going to be using the 2019, but the idea is that you know emissions inventory should be updated. You know at least every five years, if not every year um and obviously from a 2010 to 2012 to a 20.

M

um Now 2022 2023, um you know that's a big gap, so you want to start closing that Gap moving forward. um What is the purpose? uh Really? We want to identify the sources and I have a table on the next slide that helps to identify what sources or other missions are at the airport and other of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions.

M

um You know from emanating from airport activities and we want to quantify those emissions, whether they're airport, controlled or tenant controlled, or um you know public controlled. um You know there are certain sources that are being generated or that are generating, and that may not necessarily be the airport itself.

M

Compare the 2019 emissions to the 2010 Baseline and observed Trends. So you've done quite a bit of work from an Energy Efficiency standpoint between 2010 and today. Even storage installed solar panels, you've upgraded building equipment, you've done some light on lighting retro lighting retrofits, and we want to make sure that we're taking credit for that and normalizing that, against the you know, growth that the airport has seen over that decade now I say as possible here, because I don't really I, don't have the background data on how that airport emissions inventory was done in.

E

M

But it'll give you a good sense of you know the trends that are and and how you're trending and then use the information like I, implied earlier to identify and evaluate the impact of policies of programs aimed at reducing those emissions. So where are your biggest uh where's your? Where is your biggest bang for the buck and what projects are really going to make the most impact um at the lowest cost and at the um you know, lowest or greatest ease of implementation?

M

So that's what we're really looking for we're looking for The Sweet Spot of where are your emissions? What is the level of implementation for a strategy? Is it high? Is it low? um What kind of Partners do you need to get it done? Are you do you need to have a conversation with bed for additional solar generating capacity, but The Sweet Spot? What I'm referring to is ease of implementation cost, and um you know ghd reduction potential.

E

M

Just to give a little bit of background um Scopes and sources, so the GHC admissions inventory is going to be um clearly denoting the Scopes which are scopes. One two and three scope: one is direct emissions, basically anything that your you, as the airport operator, are associated with, so the fuels that are burning in your stationary equipment in your Fleet equipment in your general maintenance equipment, um scope, two is the emissions that are generated and through and via your electricity purchases and scope.

M

Three is everything else: that's indirect and optional to report, um because they're owned by the tenants owned by the public and owned by you, know, employee, commuting back and forth to the airport, and you can see.

E

M

The title in the table to the right hand, side the this is direct from the guidance document from the acrp owning controlling entity, the airport operator, which would be you tenants, for example, Heritage and beta, and the public of course, sources. Generally speaking from your perspective, um not necessarily uh the aircraft operations, but you might want to consider taking you know the the emissions that are tied to the aircraft when they're plugging in uh well.

M

That would be scope, two I'm misspeaking there, but there's you know: APA Apu usage, GSE usage, stationary sources, fire training, that's happening at the um vtang construction, waste recycling other. There are a number of different um sources that are up controlled by you um and but may not necessarily or uh that may not necessarily fall within the scope. So it gets out little complicated when it breaks out between the Scopes and the sources.

M

But basically these are the sources that we're going to be looking at as part of the inventory, and the one thing that I did want to point out is um when I talked to Nick about and what Nick is. Is it okay? That I talked about the airport, carbon accreditation, yeah.

D

M

Think that's great. Okay. All right, we haven't confirmed anything just yet, but um the airport carbon accreditation is something from ACI. It is a global carbon management certification program for airports.

M

Basically, airports produce their greenhouse gas emissions inventories in a manner that is consistent with the program they submit it for verification, there's a verification process where they look at your numbers. So they ask you questions. They make sure that we're covering everything that we need to cover as part of the inventory and that we send it and submit it, and they give you a certain level of accreditation once everything is verified and everything is okay, there's about six levels or there is six other levels rather does.

D

M

Mapping, which is the first level- basically that's what we would be doing. You know we're just doing the inventory. We're just getting going started is the reduction there's and the reduction is level two making sure that um you know you have your inventory. You've mapped it, but then you've also compared it through to it the previous three-year average, to demonstrate that you've reduced your emissions over the course of that um or between those different inventories, optimization as you're moving forward and producing even more.

M

um You know, efficiencies in line with a carbon reduction plan that goes along with your reduction um level. 2 accreditation, neutrality, you're, offsetting everything that you can no longer reduce from an efficiency standpoint, transformation, you're, really making some impact um within the larger industry and transition um you're, really moving beyond even more the transformation stage um and really taking your.

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M

Accreditation to you know the highest levels and what we're going to be doing is uh using the airport, carbon and Emissions reporting tool for this particular uh project. It's nicknamed acert. It is a self-contained Microsoft, Excel spreadsheet. It basically outlines all of the different sources, all of the different um across all the different Scopes. We input the data and Nick uh mentioned that we're in the process of collecting a lot of data.

M

This data pertains to the utilities, um your electricity consumption, your natural gas consumption, your refrigerant usage, your Fleet inventory all of these different things that maybe you aren't thinking about uh you know documenting or gathering, uh but you know, if we're doing it today and you're thinking about moving forward with the airport, carbon accreditation and advancing across all of the different levels. Like many airports have done, you know within North, America and globally.

M

You might want to process, develop a process for develop or gathering this data efficient manner from year to year or from five year for within every five year period. So this Acer tool is basically the bones of the application for the airport carbon accreditation. We submit it, it gets it again. It goes through that verification process, but the tool itself is going to Output your scope, one emissions, your scope, 2 emissions and your scope, 3 emissions and um I would like to open it up to any questions. At this point.

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A

Just add a so I I just noticed that Robin, as has dropped off.

I

Oh, no, so we don't have a quorum how how profession this was that earlier conversation.

C

Danny uh can I ask you a question as we try to figure out our Forum.

B

um I'm sure that uh you are aware that uh the airport is growing and what I heard you say is to try to get some base level information so that we can get a trajectory going and and determine that we're moving in the right direction. How uh I mean there must be some sort of factor in in terms of grow, how you grow, but also maintain a certain degree of sustainability or.

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B

That just uh a lost cause that can't be factored in.

M

Well, it's factored in! Are you talking about this in the general sustainability management plan, sense or the ACA carpet, accreditation, sense or both.

B

I I guess both I'm just stupid again what I? What I really heard you talking about was the idea of of you know. We want to compare things where we were in the past and that we should be doing this every five years. I'm just wondering it looks like we're going to have a difficult time, maintaining sustainability as we grow. uh You know simply because we're growing and sort of like uh is this sort of like uh the problem of a of a developing Nation. How do you develop but maintain sustainability right.

M

So I'll answer that in in two ways one is that we within the reporting in the Baseline studies, will provide some normalizing factors. So we'll do energy per passenger emplacement, for example, um or you know, the energy use intensity is going to be automatically normalized by the square footage of your facilities.

M

um So um you know that's one way that we capture that growth is that if there's a growth in employment or square footage, it's it's sort of baked into some of the reporting. I mean we'll we'll also report on the absolute values, um but we'll report. You know them in a manner that is, you know, showcasing you know what it means compared to you know your levels of growth um from but I will also add that you know many airports and many you know many entities are, are looking Beyond.

M

Just you know, setting targets to you know reduce energy consumption by 20 30 on a project by project basis, or you know, airport-wide um they're really looking at um driving toward um you know Net Zero or carbon neutrality, and uh you know that really doesn't make too much of a difference when it comes to how the airport is growing, because it is an absolute reduction.

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You know um a zero end game, so um you know when you're looking at new construction when you're looking at um your your operations and your purchasing and your procurement um thinking about it from a net zero perspective and a carbon neutral perspective. So if you're going to be purchasing, um let's say you, you need a you know.

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uh Let's take, for example, you know you need an extra snow melter, because um it's probably a bad example, but you need an extra piece of equipment because your Employments are going up or the number of aircraft operations are going up um and um you know you have a choice between you know a natural gas fire version of that or an electrified version of that you.

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Electrified version is going to have an opportunity to help you reach Net Zero, regardless of whether or not you're, adding that, because you're going to be hopefully supplementing that with um you know renewable sources of energy at some point, so uh I'm getting into a little bit too much detail for probably for your question um but I think from a growth effective.

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That's one thing that you want to consider is that many airports and many organizations are looking at Net Zero and carbon neutrality and making their decisions today to you know enable that that Target achievement, regardless of how they're going to be growing, but today for your for the sustainability management plan. We're incorporating those normalizing factors such as you know, energies, per square, foot or um uh energy, for you know, use per passenger those types of things that will you know account or capture that that growth rate.

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And I think it's it's important to know from from the direction of the airport that um the inventory the sustainability plan, that the Baseline that we're performing today, even looking at the past, looking at the Baseline today and then adjusting it as we move into the future, is critical.

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With some of the the growth that we're seeing, whether we're talking about new solar panels or a.

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New windmill working.

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With our tenants, like Heritage Aviation, on providing the the next generation of.

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Systems like sustainable aviation fuel, but beyond that too are concessionaires. uh Where does the food waste go? Where does their garbage go? uh Where did how much goes to the landfill versus actually getting recycled or reused so that that's really important? But as we grow, it's like Donnie said as we grow physically in size as well. We.

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To make sure that we're kind of thinking outside the box a little bit here, we've.

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Learned so many different things, and we know of so many different things, um whether we're talking about uh alternative ways to build a terminal apron to uh sustainable ways of building a new building that contributes to our future inventory and our that neutrality as we move forward and that that's 100 going to be the goal of this process and a policy of this area. We're moving forward and.

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Airport is um somewhat of an island, but it isn't an island. It operates within the larger community. So there's a community aspect to this as well. um So the community is in two respects that I can think of off the top of my head.

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One is they're going to be interested in what you're doing, um particularly with respect to you know reducing you know, environmental um uh uh view, effects of operations um you know and a lot of the net zero and a lot of the sustainability pieces that you're going to be thinking about from an action standpoint, aren't going to kill two birds with one stone so to speak. um You know installing EB charging stations, you know, adopt uh increasing the adoption rate or enabling the adoption rate of BBS uh within the larger Community.

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You know reducing localized air pollutants of criteria, pollutants for example, um but you know the South Burlington uh City of Burlington also has a climate action plan that they're working on and.

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They're thinking.

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About transportation and they're thinking about all of the vehicle miles traveled, so it's a good opportunity within the ground transportation sector, section that and chapter that we're going to be looking at with uh you guys is how, to um you know kind of synergize. Those efforts um make sure that you know where you're working together to reduce those vehicle miles, travel to and from the airport either through. You know enhanced or public transit, or you know, car ride sharing um or the use of installation of EVs and evse charging infrastructure.

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I I have a question um and- and it doesn't sound as if and I can certainly understand it- that included in the Baseline is really an understanding of the fuel emissions from both the commercial and the um military um planes, and um so I guess. My question is I mean we certainly the commission as well as South Burlington, City Council and the Burlington City Council, hear from lots of people are very concerned about that and.

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That it should be.

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Included and from my perspective, I think if we can work on ground transportation and buildings will and and not wait till we have that information, um we're better off kind of not having the perfect um Baseline but I guess I'm curious how if, if um the airport's plan will include kind of partnering with the airlines um and sort of encouraging them or finding out or doing whatever you can to have them Embrace some climate um action planning.

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As the military, the military is a little bit harder. Helen.

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I got one point to make um already uh with the FAA there, there's uh Federal Regulations we're going to require 10 of uh sustainable Aviation tool by 2030 and 100 sustainable Aviation tool by 2050., okay. So that takes that all right, so I mean that's already in play um and I won't get into it right now. But when you look at Airplane Fuel in comparison to other things, that you might not think are that big a deal well.

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No I think that's important Larry, so the so the EPA released their their. What they call a U.S greenhouse gas emissions.

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This past April and of that plan, 27 of uh greenhouse gas emissions, is coming from the Transportation sector. But as you dive into that, 27 percent only about eight percent is coming from aircraft uh which, which is about a two two to three percent greenhouse gas emission. When we look at the whole, the whole big picture and- and that doesn't.

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It's that that still means there's so much work to do, and we have to be a part of that that solution and how we, as an airport can be part of that solution is, like Donnie said through some of our uh our inventory, our buildings, our concessionaires, our policies that we create, including, like you, like you, said Helen with our Airline Partners, uh they're they're, so far ahead of of where we are on this.

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Overall, uh they have looked just like the FAA has they have committed and purchased and are actually flying aircraft with sustainable aviation fuel. In fact, just the other day, we had a Boeing 737 that flew into this airport, using that fueling system uh and that's what's going to cut those greenhouse gas emissions and hit those thresholds that the FAA in the airlines have by 2030, which is only eight years away and then 2050, which is uh 28 years away. So so so it's it's critical that we have to join. We can't do this alone.

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Absolutely not.

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Will we get a baseline of that information or a reporting? I mean that satisfies me that they're working on and um making progress and have really good goals, but.

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I think in the.

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Republic, you know, in light of total transparency, um would we will the public ever learn that out of Burlington International Airport, there's ex you know amount of pounds of CO2 and they're going to reduce it by X I'm, just curious.

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Our power to report that I just hope that maybe in conversations we can encourage them to educate the public about that.

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Helen we're we're working with Nick and his team on Gathering data on aircraft, so we're intending to include aircraft as part of the inventory, um we'll see what the data shows and what we can, what we can provide.

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um You know at the very least, I think you know, there's going to be a the amount of fuel that's being consumed at the airport and by whether it's Jed a or Avgas. We should have that information, um so we may be able to leverage that and give orders of magnitude estimates based on. You know what we're, what what industry best practices are.

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um So, yes, it'll it'll, be included in the in the Baseline um to some extent um and hopefully within the full inventory itself.

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um On the second point, you know one of the issues with saf or sustainable aviation fuel is um currently the supply. So it is, you know very I mean a lot of it's been pilot programs and pilot efforts.

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um You know at the commercial scale it's not as where it needs to be, um and you know I guess there were some a little bit of a question as to how it's going to get to scale.

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um It's much further along on the west coast as it is on the East Coast, um but that's an opportunity for partnership at the airport um airport, partnering partnering, with the Airlines and partnering with other airports within the region to develop and advance and advocate for policies that that Advance it or infrastructure or Supply.

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um So that's something that we could expose as part of that um as part of the management plan.

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Thank you. So you know I just add, I'll, add to that too Donnie, real, quick about sustainable aviation fuel. What you know Heritage has been doing great um uh research and progress uh on what we can right now right the supply that uh how it gets, there's so many different factors, very complicated factors to this uh I.

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Think one of the important pieces as part of sustainable Innovation fuel is it's still a commodity, uh there's still a cost to it, and and we need to we need to understand both at a local level and, uh of course much bigger than Burlington uh at a national region at a national and international level. Well, how are how are? How is the cost of SAS for sustainable aviation fuel going to compared to the cost of jet fuel and how do the airlines?

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How are they encouraged to continue to use it and those Partnerships and collaboration airport collaboration, Airline collaboration needs needs to occur that um uh now uh we're we're talking about this now and I. Think that's one of one of the most um encouraging things. I got specifically out of the conference.

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Was a you know, 200 people at the conference that uh these were policy makers. These were uh you know, representatives of Southwest, Airlines and of so many other uh airports like lost, Los, Angeles and uh uh Dallas and Chicago, and these are the big airlines that have this capability. Excuse me, airports that have this capability now and we need to fit into that that working group of of encouraging that growth- and it's not all about uh this new fueling system.

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It's about uh operational changes, it's about increased efficiencies in the airspace uh and it's about uh uh new.

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Technology as well uh specifically related to aircraft um so.

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There's lots of things that we.

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Can help with partner with and encourage and grow, and maybe even talk about as our contractual negotiations with the airlines, but there's also so many things we can do right here at the local level. Right now like like building uh uh new infrastructure, including uh you know, working with uh uh demonstration units or or like the orb uh wind turbine or.

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Solar panels or exploring geothermal for our terminal building, and that's what I'm really encouraged to do uh concurrently, while, while Donnie and his team move forward uh to make sure that we're headed down the right path right now,.

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And I totally support that and understand that that's really what we need to focus on and can focus on. I just wanted to understand that other um reality and I think the cost factor is certainly an important one um and just in a sense kind of to give some of the critics, perhaps um some more information. Yes, that might be helpful and.

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At the same time as as I keep emphasizing they're they're real, you know we have to be part of the solution today. uh You know I I agree with some of that that that conversation we we have we're controlling and we're managing and directing uh of large, maybe the largest asset in the state of Vermont in the region, and we need to be part of that solution for sure.

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Super encouraged by it, but I also see uh the challenges with it, and there are challenges whether we're talking about store or funding costs and, of course time, but we certainly have to work on it now and uh you know working with even South Burlington and you and your team that uh Jesse Baker's team is, is really really encouraging for us too, uh to make sure that we're aligning our climate action goals with our our.

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And being being your neighbor and being the Burlington neighbor and winooski's neighbor, and making sure uh that we're we're all headed down the right path,.

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um I believe Helen also, there has to be a lot of Education, because I mean everybody's looking at you know the burning of fuel right. These big jets, when you think about some of the other things that you touch in everyday life that seem my new compared to that they're, a lot more significant than the Jets, so I think there's a lot of examples of how relative this is not the downplay it. Everybody should be doing their part, but there are comparisons.

L

That'll blow your mind on on things that you wouldn't even think of that are a lot more important than jet engines right.

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Just a quick um thought um uh just so everybody knows it's um for the sustainable Aviation fuels our our buddies up north in Montreal there at Iko, International civil aviation organization track these globally and um it's it's a thought to just put some of the links on our website, because I think that people don't realize how much work is being done, did just the just the conversation of uh sustainable Aviation fuels, which they label saf, there's a tracking tool that tells exactly how many airports are using it.

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How many airplanes are in the air at any given amount of time using sustainable fuels which airlines are using them, so the data is being collected globally and then it has like latest news: uh JetBlue announces partnership with sustainable fuel, so there's a ton of stuff out there. It just doesn't really trickle into the news, as as um uh you know as every day, but it's would be an easy link for for those. You know trying to answer that exact question, because it's not well known I.

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Agree. Well, that's great information. Thank you. I'd encourage us to put that link. I'll.

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Think I think that wraps.

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For us right down in, of course, I.

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Wish there's any any questions for.

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Donnie yeah, okay, all.

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Right. Thank you very much. Donnie.

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All right, bye-bye.

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Right that wraps.

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Up item six item: seven is supposed to two action items today, so the first is answer utility easement I like to entertain a motion to recommend to the board of finance and to be counsel. The approval of utility easement with GMP in the in the valley come up all right. A second, let's move by Helen second, by Greg, discussion, Shelby.

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So this easement is one of three that's being sought. uh This is specifically for our properties here at the airport, to allow Green Mountain Power to provide additional electrical needs that are underground to get to DaVinci Drive, which is where the beta facility will be manufactured. So this is to allow them to have the adequate needs that they have for that facility.

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Hearing none all those in favor of recommending approval, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye aye any opposed.

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And 701 carries next step. Is item 7.2 I'd like to entertain a motion to recommend to the board financing city council the approval of purchase of liquid de-icer of a liquid user unit for the runway uses usage.

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That thing, uh some of them moved by Greg, segmented by Helen, uh discussion.

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Sure that'll be by me okay, so we've had uh last year we had uh the maintenance team made a kind of a makeshift uh unit that provide us uh to the ability to experiment with liquid de-ice, which provides a synergistic effect in conjunction with the Sodium formate, which is the solid dice that actually increases the effect effectiveness of the salt of the ice and.

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An hour sometimes for the salty ice to actually start to work. The.

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uh Rapidly activates the solid and um So based on that uh we, um you know experiment to last last year, but this year I want to get a tow behind unit that will allow us to accurately monitor the application rates, because in last year, with the unit that we had, it was only basically on or off so. This will actually allow us to uh accurately put down the chemical and to the application rate, that's needed.

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That's recommended by manufacturing, so um yeah, it's uh 68 000 for the unit and uh it'll, be here, I believe um if it passes the next few weeks so.

D

I would just add that this is uh let's call it phase, two of really getting into a liquid de-icing system. For us uh last phase, one was last year with the ingenious way that our crew was able to add this to an existing truck. This is phase two with a small trailer, a thousand gallon.

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These three is to get the proper storage right here on site right now, with only purchases in 275, gallon totes, uh which then eventually go to this new trailer system uh and that's going to help us alleviate and lower some of our costs purchasing in larger quantities versus uh small tote. So uh super super critical I think it saved us more than a handful of times last year and I'm sure it will this year as well. Yeah.

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Foreign discussion on this thing.

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It seems as if there's a lot of advantages to this, uh and certainly the previous easement, also and I'm just sort of curious because of what we just talked about with sustainability, which seem as if the trucks aren't.

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Long, it would seem as if uh Green Mountain Power is providing some electricity, but to a company that really tries to promote uh you know a a positive use of those things and and I would just encourage the staff to maybe make a laundry list of some of these things. Here's minor things, but these are all the examples of things that are moving right.

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Any other comments by commissioners.

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You know I, just wonder um relative to the last comment if um it might be useful, if, if you can on different items like that, if there's also included just kind of a environmental impact or a climate change impact statement that is related to this um uh use of dollars, not only savings. But you know in terms of just its impact on the environment or and and climate. It might be just a cool thing to have.

D

I love that I mean I I, think that's exactly where we need to start thinking right as I say as Greg said as you, you said you know, and hopefully we're all thinking. If uh everything that we do should have that element, every decision we make internally on a day-to-day basis and every uh uh and adding it to this to keep that inventory or that list going I think would be incredible. I I really love that.

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Team we're gonna, do it.

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Well, that would that would be great and I think the um Burlington, City, Council and public would would really like to see that, and maybe that's can be the pro forma for all of city government.

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Right any other comments by commissioners hearing none all those in favor of approval, please signify by saying aye.

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Opposed I have 7.02 carries. We move on now to item eight, which is the construction update from Larry.

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All right, um I'll be quick. uh First of all, um when you read through the report, you saw a lot of projects that are finished or being closed out um Marie's, putting a lot of effort into closing those out, because we don't, we don't receive 10 of the final payment until these prices are closed. So if we retrieve that money it makes Marie real happy, especially.

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If it was a real big one.

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We've got hanging out there right now that um we're anxious to call the airplane and plug them a little bit more again anyway.

L

However, to follow up on that, uh the report is what the report says, but also uh the big thing is a couple weeks ago we had our annual planning and CIP meeting with the FAA okay and that's where we look at especially the this upcoming fiscal year and the next four on what our spending will be um and what we'll be looking to get, and it's all within listed in those projects in that list. But there's some good things that came in that out of that meeting were very, very positive. We talked about.

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Nick's talked about a large carrier, Cargo Carrier that wants to come in here with a bigger plane and we need more carb different space. The FAA is going to allow us to apply for a design only grant to get that process going, which is Big because um in the past they would never allow that because they didn't want to risk their money. They want us to risk our money in case it really doesn't happen, but that's the effort and the you know.

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The team here is a lot of effort into you know making sure the FAA gets what they need and that's what we get out of that is they. They trust that we're going to move things forward so that that was huge. It's only a only about a 280 000 Grant, but that'll design that apron and then within two years we will we'll build that apron.

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um The second thing is, um which will uh will be we're doing a rehabilitation of tactically output, because it's not in good shape and when we got into that process, um we had to remove some of it from last year's grant that we received that it's already been process and approved. So we are putting back in that alternate that we did because we knew the money was tight last year and we're going to get all of alpha done, and pirate Charlie uh done as part of this whole entire project.

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That money will come as is a grant this year, which is which is Big um uh the South apron, the one that goes down into the quarry near the new beta facility um we have applied, for we have already prepared the application it's been submitted and we're going back and forth with them right now, and um that was money that was secured by uh Senator Leahy, and uh we it's a 6.1 million dollar project. The grant will be about 5 million.

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um um We have to come up with 10, but also we can only build up to a certain distance to within a structure like beta or something like that, so they have to take responsibility for a part of that cost to to build the rest of it to to come out of their building.

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So that was another good thing that that'll be coming um um so the other thing, the other big thing was, we were wondering um we know we need to do something about our main um April, our main Runway 1533, which is um the busiest in commercial aircraft and all that needs Rehabilitation.

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um So we have had on the books for years of The, Rehabilitation or Mill and overlay of that product uh project that um Runway, um that we did affirm that they have um programmed discretionary money for us to be able to do that in 2024.. So we will be moving forward in this case. We're not going to get the engineering up front.

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We're gonna have to do the engineering, but by next year we have to prepare for a very large project which we'll all have to be done at night, because we cannot shut down the right way in a five hour period. You know we have to do that entire project, so that was good news. It's programmed.

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um The other news is because we're not spending all of our entitlement this year, we're putting some of that towards that next year to help secure, we get everything we need to do vanilla overlay of runaway one, five, three three um and pirate- and to move that forward to this year, though, is we're going to do an updated payment management plan that looks at the condition of all our payments and also the strength and all that type of stuff. So we will apply for our grant.

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It's only a hundred and ten thousand dollars we'll get that done. We'll help support what we need to do with regard to uh uh Railway one five, three, three, um the other. uh The bill funds uh that grants we have applied for is the North Terminal renovation, which Nick I think we'll probably get into a little bit more later, is uh with regard to TSA being moved out of the north. um We're going to re do all that area.

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We have a contractor, lined up ready to go uh we're waiting on a grant, but we can actually start without the grant because of bill money. You can do that, so we have applied for the grant. We have submit the grant, we're waiting for that that'll come this year. um Another. This is huge. This next one um is huge with bill money again, the FAA is going to support a design only grant for our new SRE, um so can't really say Maintenance building, but mostly SRE storage building.

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That will also do maintenance in um they're going to fund an upfront design project for that which is huge. It's like 1.6 million dollars. Okay, so that tells you the magnitude of what this product will be and then over the next several years, as that we'll use that bill money to build that project, which is much much needed.

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um uh Let me see what else we got going here.

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Yeah um then there's the big picture, things which I won't get into now like um we are. We, we did revise our application for the competitive money for the bill portion for the the terminal projects with regard to the um South um for design of the South Concourse, the new one in replacing the old one. Okay, we last year we put in 35 million dollars in realistically looking at what money is available in that fund and all that they're not just going to give us that much money.

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So we said, let's ask the design that puts us on track for for being heavy on the Shelf to move forward over the next several years, so um we have put in the paperwork and to compete for for those dollars. um That's really.

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Important too, like Larry, said, the competition part of it is really getting another 35 million dollars from the FAA is going to be hard, we're talking about competing with all airports of the United States, very, very difficult. So at least if we get this design work started over the next couple of years.

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If we're able to secure this grant competitively we're one step ahead of the game, not just on applying for another Grant, but there's a possibility of this really coming to the time frame where we are debt free on our existing bonds and we're able to secure potentially a new Bond in the future. To start this project and at least happy FAA fund the design work. That's a huge criteria for getting design on the Internet is. If the fa is not going to fund the construction, how are you going to build it?

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What's your what's the risk of the fa, giving you this money, if you're just going to sit on the ground for of that game? So that's really really important to the really thoughtful and great idea by Larry um to to scale back a little bit but still be ready for the next step.

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Shelf ready is really nice when money becomes available that somebody else isn't using, they say: hey Burlington, you know we're ready. You know so and I'll make the rest of this really quick. So the other thing um I think you know Nick's report that uh Senator Leahy put in uh money in a a congressionally directed spending bill for the north Concourse, um that is on our CIP to to move forward. We have signed a contract as.

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Been reviewed by the um to start, the preliminary design of that we're doing borings and seismic and structural, and all that right now to get ready to decide how to move that forward as we watch that legislation move forward and make the decision to, you know really move forward, and then the last thing is, which is really a very most important thing is the noise mitigation uh program um we um are.

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Our typical amount is about 5 million a year and next, actually you know what Nick's got a report on where we are with respect to the the drawing and everything later on, where we are with the with the 16 homes that we are assigned a contract for to get done. The 54 that we're moving forward was designed and then obviously on design of that there'll be an application to do those 54 homes in May. So that's all I have my reports. My report, like I, said there's plenty on the table to do so. If anybody.

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Have any questions we're going to put one more plug-in for you Larry? He just talked a lot about the future that his report talks a lot about what we're closing up, but he we're really working on over 150 million plus of capital projects. Right now, uh uh I would say that the highest in the history of the airport there's a lot going on a lot of steps, a lot of thresholds that we need to meet uh Larry. You know Shelby Dave Marie, you were all part of it, but Larry's really managing it.

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A lot of that day-to-day operations, so so much work, but so critical, whether we're talking about how we're going to build these future projects on these pictures back here uh from a sustainability perspective, but also from a Time we. This is the court. This is the leadership team of uh evade tens of millions of dollars.

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And the opportunity is here to try to move that forward now.

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Excellent. Thank you.

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I'm, just a quick question: uh I guess for the entire team. But again since my mind is on this sort of sustainability- and you mentioned how competitive some of these contracts can be I'm just wondering if we demonstrate some of the sustainability, if that circular gives us a little bit of uh level up uh on some of the competition construction.

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If so, if so, we can make ourselves a role model for other airports, I mean what we can do and.

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Be done by other people, yeah I think that's a great point and um actually part of the legislation. uh So when secretary Buddha judge announced some of these these big bills and, of course the president announced these big bills, a big motivation was: what are the sustainable projects? What can you find uh from.

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Like solar, Fields Etc to these terminal projects, especially for small Hub airports, and how can they incorporate um some of these x to the generation systems HVAC? That movement is older and things like that? uh It's a it's also a tricky scenario to get the FAA to check off on because, as you add more of this to it, the cost of the project, something the cost of going green, sometimes does go up right now, there's a premium to that.

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So we need to balance that making sure that if the fa is not funding, all of that we.

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To make sure we go as far as we possibly can, and there might be some local funding associated with that. Of course, you probably not there, but it does give us that that slight Competitive Edge when they start comparing us to somewhere.

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Around Midwest, on the same time, and one last thing that I forgot um it's already been before um the group is the um improvements to the the lighting and the the parking garage. The contracts on my desk, ready to be signed by Nick for a two and a half million dollar upgrade to our all new Lighting in in the parking garage. So uh that's really close to moving forward, obviously Modern Health and Shelby and Marie, and everybody to to get that going and coordination or what that's going to take to get done.

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So it's all like that.

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Larry one question before you go sure: sorry, it might be totally uh available and maybe I missed it. But people are asking if there is, um if there's any movement in the change to uh Runway one and one nine, there I think at one point there was on the table, possibly shortening it or taking out kind of the hump in the Middle, where the intersection with one and five and three three. Is there any change on the goals for that at this time? That.

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That is in on our CIP and if you give me a second I or Nick, maybe you knocked up your head. What year we're shooting for that yeah.

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It was two years after the uh one five project.

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Yeah right, okay, yeah there- it is a shortening- is in 20 right now. It's uh well from a CIP standpoint is 2026.

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Robin, okay and then, and is that, like that's a done deal, it's happening no further discussion.

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uh We're we're just right now: that's what's um approved and recommended, and not only by the fa, but but by uh myself and the airport staff uh and that's through an extensive amount of uh Safety Research uh studying with the fa big thing.

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Is funding funding because we don't get funding if we don't.

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Yeah- and it's it's more than just right- we don't get funding. We we've already went through so many extensive uh shifts and policy changes to that particular Runway, including um without getting into the the specifics too much uh or the technicalities. I should say too much, including right sizing, the classification of that running, so that, like it's hilarious point, we do get funding that we can call it our crosswind Runway, but we have to. uh We have to look at this.

D

Of course, the safety factors associated with that particular area, and it's not just the runway. There's multiple people nodes, multiple issues with that particular intersection, but.

H

I wouldn't say it's a done.

D

Deal we're you know, we're four plus years away from uh probably two to three years away from starting conversations of the design, work um and and in the meantime, we're going to be talking about um a really really uh publishing it and understanding and and sharing it with the general aviation Community, especially because that's of course who it should impact.

K

The biggest impact yep okay, thank you. Thank you.

A

All right we're going to item nine, which is the financial update for Rory. Thank.

N

You um so this month you have before you a finance package where we're looking at the revenues and the expenses for the month of September and um us, and looking at the metrics for the revenues through September, as well as looking at the cash position and our what is owed to us by the FAA under our grant program. That is through the end of October.

N

The one thing that um not a whole lot of changes to the grants. From what I have reported in the past month, I did update the grant anticipation. Note you will be going ahead and renewing. This is something we do annually, and so we must renew it annually. If we wish to continue with the grant participation note, it's called we, we nickname it Dan or Gan. We currently owe two and a half million dollars on the game. We borrow this amount.

N

This project is for one specific, AIP, a large one and that the closeout was submitted to the FAA in August and we were waiting for them to finish the review and receive our money on that, but we'll be going ahead. I uh we'll be going ahead and renewing the the renewal of the Gan, the uh clerk Treasurer's Office downtown. It really gets sort of run by them and they negotiate of the bank and they, you know, work on that. We tell them how much they want to do.

N

They're going to be putting together a resolution that is going to go to the board of finance and city council for approval, I think that's going to go either the end of this month or the 12th of December, and at least then we'll have the uh authorization to go ahead and do that. But that literally, is just we've just that just came up actually this week. So I don't have it as a separate item in here, but I did want to to bring that to your attention.

N

The other thing that I wanted to point out is the interest rate on the Gan um had been pretty low for a long time. It follows the Libre uh rate, but as interest rates have done in all of the markets, we are seeing that go up. Unfortunately, so um I I wanted to let you know how much interest we had paid.

N

So far since June on that one AIP, which is thirty two thousand dollars which is getting to be a lot of money, uh a lot of that's due just to the interest rates variability and the increases of that. The good news is that the interest that we pay under the Gan is reimbursable under. We can put that as part of it, our next application, when we do a PSC application and we can use PSE dollars to reimburse ourselves for the interest costs. So that's the benefit of using the gan, and we do try to.

N

We try to turn things around as quickly as we can, but sometimes it's out of our control a little bit we're waiting on the FAA. Our revenues I'm really pleased to report that our revenues continue to be very strong, uh I. Think the you know the garage revenue and, and even though my the revenues I'm reporting here are through the end of September. When I look at, we have the full numbers through for partner projects.

N

I, don't have them for L revenues for October, but for parking garage revenues we're at 101 percent of our revenues compared to free covet 2019.. So just to give you an idea and I think it's really interesting we're looking at revenues to look at this separate sheet. That looks at the sort of our biggest revenues and see how we're doing- and you can see if you've looked at, that the recovery is, is continuing to climb upwards and continuing to do really. Well, particularly the car rental concessions are 113, the CFCs are 110 percent.

N

The CFCs are going to start to to flatten out, because we, when we negotiated with the car rental companies a year ago and signed a contract, they increase the CFC charge from four dollars to six dollars. So we some a lot of this, is, is even depending on the volume we're getting six dollars for every transaction and that's going to start to phase out that was for a year. So we have two family brands that initiated that first and then we had one that initiated it in the early spring.

N

So we're gonna have a little bit of you're gonna you're gonna, see those revenues are gonna flatten out a little bit more, but these are. These are great. These are really reassuring that the airport has done well in the revenue recoveries.

N

As far as our expenses go, there were 3.4 million dollars through September, so for the first three months this is this is a little bit higher than last year.

N

um A lot of that is actually due to the fact that we opened a quick turnaround facility for our car rental companies, which is on this side of the airport and this uh north side of the airport, and we are purchasing fuel now all the fuel that we purchased everything that the car rentals use. We built. We calculate that we have a very sophisticated system that tracks which car rental companies using and buy the gallon of time, and we Bill them uh at the end of each month.

N

We build them for their use and they yeah. So it looks higher you know, but the expenses, but that's the primary, that's the primary difference and all of that detail is in there. So if you have any questions, you should always feel free.

B

To ask yeah quick question on that again, you know coming back to the sustainability uh issue, because it's just nice to connect those things whenever possible.

N

B

Rental companies do they have electric charging stations.

N

You know I'm going to let Shelby.

F

She's got some exciting news, so go ahead and show me they begin installing. Yesterday.

C

Or Monday Monday.

F

Eight Tesla Chargers as a.

H

F

Of hurts um they have a fleet of 100 000 Teslas that are being delivered in the spring. So they're going around to all these airports. They did on the level one uh two and more levels happy to your airport was called the large medium are small and they are getting to us for the full rollout. So they are Tesla, but they have a headpiece that will also accommodate volkswagenes contract.

F

Of course, oh yes, um we have contract requirements as well that by the end of the contract they have to have at least 10 percent of their sleep.

H

F

Minimum and that contract ran five years started in 21.

N

F

Yeah, uh so you know we're already in 23 and I think we're making some good improvements um following suit will be Enterprise I'm.

H

F

Who their part partnering with um and then Eva's budget has.

I

Not implemented a plan at this time, yet.

F

But usually they all kind of fall fall and Domino, but yes, we're really excited and we had spaces that were ear worked for this at the qta, um so they're, not spaces that were assigned to anyone, because we were kind of hoping to do a universal charging area for this initial piece. This is being sub metered to hurt themselves and they'll, be paying the bill directly, which was kind of a savvy part of their program that they initiated.

B

And that could be a part of this laundry list of examples again that sort of push.

F

Us more in the directions when we write these memos I'm just going to call you okay, what do you think.

C

It's going to be helpful, I, never answer my phone.

N

Our cash position as at the end of October, we continue to have sufficient and strong cash Revenue, so eight 8.1 million dollars we had in our checking account. We did not owe the city any money uh since I've been tracking it yeah yeah, so we're we're in position very strongly right now, which is which is good because we have Larry mentioned that two and a half million dollar light switch over we're gonna have some things that are coming up and that's an operating expense as part of our operating budget.

N

So you know we'll see some of that that going on, but we're positioned, well we're planning ahead uh to be able to adequately smoothly cover the expenses that we know that are coming up and we rode 5.2 million dollars from the FAA at the end of October. Again, two two and a half million of that is just one AIP, so it it. uh We, we turn things around the best that we can, but there's always um there's always a little bit of a lag on.

L

That one we're just waiting- and we just want to give a little more time, because.

H

N

Good, the uh last thing that I will, just let you know is I- um was putting together we're going to be bringing a as the year goes on. We have to make adjustments to our budget. um Things will come up and I realize I, don't have enough. We have to budget at the very detailed account level, so we have cost center and then within cost center.

N

We have a count, so sometimes I've got plenty of money budgeted for airport, but sometimes it's just not the right place as we go along and things come up so putting together a budget amendment that will try to break down um and yeah so did under a hundred thousand dollars, but just to sort of step and cover of where, where we've seen some expenses be a little, maybe different than we thought they were going to be, but certainly not out of the realm or or worse.

N

Okay- and that is this month's report, but I'm happy to take any and all questions.

A

Commissioners any questions or comments.

B

One just related to that gentle reminder that Larry sort of spoke up. There is talk that there uh that the on the federal level that they might not be able to negotiate uh payment in order to keep the government operating I'm, just that might be an incentive to speak to them. If that sounds like there's, not good they're not going to be able to reach that agreement, you might want to contact them sooner rather than later, because part of that agreement, maybe that they they just.

N

Don't send out they're obligated these grants that we have have been earmarked and we'll say we'll.

I

N

In the faa's budget in Prior years, okay, so so, if we have a grant that we got in 2022, that Grant is good. We're.

H

N

Any risk for them not to pay on that particular Grant any um going forward. They have to rely on the monies the entire FAA gets that that has to get budgeted and obligated to them. So it would be future monies that might be delayed and somehow- or you know um that they might have to say well we're not getting everything we planned on or whatever that can happen, but not on anything we have any existing. Grant is a is. uh We are safe with that. There's no risk to us on the funding source.

B

Checks in the mail.

D

Right and that that's the biggest impact with any of these uh continuing resolutions- or any of these other things is, is the staff working with our partners, you know one-on-one, they might not be able to click the button to send the ACH or whatever, yes, maybe, but then we are. We are anxious to call them. We just sure yeah yeah, that there is. There are relatively small staff too, when they are local airport district office down in Burlington Massachusetts.

A

All right, Commissioners, any other questions for Murray.

A

Thank you, Marie. Thank you. Move on now to item 10 noise monitoring data stand in for Canada. Yes,.

D

I can stand in front end, so she put together uh multiple graphs, as she typically does. Both our type of uh comment that we received based on aircraft type, also uh based on a geographic location which town uh the comet is coming from. uh The new one in there is a breakdown of unique commenters you've seen something similar in the past.

D

um These are generally individual commenters. So a single uh household, that's making this kite I call it household, because, uh but a single console making these comments. uh The the exception to that is the dark blue and the uh dark green uh on the top left corner there.

D

So eight percent is uh eight percent of our comments of the 498 comments, since June of last year uh are coming from individuals, eight percent of those numbers, whereas 70 percent to 46 12 and the 12, the gray orange and the light blue 70 is coming from three individuals um and that's of that uh 500 dominance um again this. You know to many of the points made in the past. This isn't all comments. We don't receive every single comment associated with the F-35. uh uh The FAA, in fact, has.

E

D

Own commenting website that they are trying to promote more.

H

D

More uh the Air National Guard accepts comments directly to them. um These are strictly the comments that we are receiving on our uh new Vector system, uh our online portal uh yeah.

D

We are working on other Data Solutions for that as well. uh In fact, we're working with uh some of our department uh leaders uh within the City of Burlington on a new uh GIS system I have no idea what GIS stands for, but.

I

D

Gis uh but I mean it encompasses so much more, but uh specifically, we've talked about Maps uh and they're, going to help us try to figure out how to how to improve some of these comments together or report. Somebody's statistics kind of from our noise monitor the infinite confidence uh people right into the next yep.

D

um So this is the uh this is an updated map uh associated with our noise uh insulation program.

D

We do need to change the heavy measures. A total agenda item- I just saw this account, um but the noise insulation program led by Larry again as you look at this graphic right here, uh we're attached to board docs uh the the purple and the light uh the greenish color, the large green parcel is all airport-owned properties or and are vacant uh properties that have previously been purchased through the fnas noise acquisition programs, the red and the uh kind of highlighted green.

D

There is new houses or Parcels that are being either designed or finished, designed bidded out and are going to be starting construction in the spring. With new insulation, we are exploring uh right now, 121 I wish Eric was was here to relay this, but.

I

D

Houses right now are on the list that does include some of these Parcels that are on.

H

D

And of those 121, we are now working on.

H

D

Towns and offering this to uh Winooski, there are a handful of houses in Winooski. Some have declined the program some are are participating as well as Wilson and, of course, the majority right now are within South Burlington uh that are going through.

D

We had a a nice, uh a couple of uh of nice homeowner meetings recently um in the last month or so I'm going through the steps and the logistics of what's gonna, be being offered and uh yeah very exciting to see 121 as we go to the next round of Grants, so we're on our Progressive path to continuing our enormous insulation uh project.

D

uh This is a huge I think, um piece to the sustainability uh program, a positive spin to a complicated and challenging project, and that is of course, massive energy efficiencies, not just noise insulation, but energy efficiencies. That.

L

Have come from this program.

L

A

Any questions for Nick um on his noise presentation.

B

uh Just a uh got a question that just sort of a follow-up, the last maybe I- think I just brought up the the sort of the story of uh you know driving on the highway. It was a cloudy day and all of a sudden you know I thought you know a car. A huge truck was running into me. I won't sort of go through the story again, but um you know mention the possibility of maybe contacting the Department of Transportation.

H

B

Maybe they can coordinate something with the National Guard to just alert people that.

B

D

The ready for the joints, yeah, yeah, Larry and I- have talked about that, and we're going to be working with the highway department as well as South Burlington, because of the uh The Lime Kiln Road, there is is their jurisdiction too, at least post some signs. There, I I was actually touring Bradley Airport a couple of weeks ago, and they have been very similar signage here.

K

uh Just a quick question- and it was in our um in our noise monitoring plan, we I know we've we're doing residences have any of like. Has there been any um like public use spaces like Winooski schools or anything else that have reached out or or are targeted as as something that would, you know, obviously benefit um being at a campus that is literally under the flight path? I can tell you that we have to all stop classes every time they fly over literally stop pause, wait and continue.

K

So I'm sure you know, others are impacted even more than me.

D

Yeah um so so, most recently, uh the Chamberlain Elementary School went through um a substantial renovation project with, uh with with new uh Heating units, air conditioning units, uh I, should say uh and windows uh to make sure that the interior noise levels were reduced because they were within the 65 DNL in uh in and classified by the FAA uh to be eligible for these.

D

Those programs, I, don't recall off the top of my head, any other public use, space or schools that that are eligible, which would mean that they would need to be within the 65 DNL contour line. But we do have a list of all of those uh non-compatible areas again as defined by the FAA. We are working, our way closest uh outwards.

D

Chamberlain was uh was um a higher level and more at the request of many folks to be initiated as as part of our first installation project, uh but if they are within the 65, whether it's this map or our future map, because remember, we are under undergoing an update to this map right now.

D

um They would they would be reached out to to be uh included in the in the projects if, if eligible and- and it's particular too- it's very different than a residential program, for example, the Chamberlain school, not every room in that building was.

H

Eligible only very.

D

Specific rooms.

K

D

um And I'll just add education facilities and usually places of worship, hospitals. Those types of facilities would be eligible.

D

A

Right, thank you. Nate.

A

A

So as as we discussed earlier, there is no n11, so Helen will come back to you in item 13. uh for that. So we move on to item 12, which is the director's reporter.

D

Perfect I know we're going on a long meeting here, so I'll try to keep it uh I will keep it very brief.

D

A quick uh staff update uh uh Dave sent out an email to the whole airport team, but one of his uh one of his senior staff, uh Steve Stacy levelly I, was recently down in Washington DC, going through, uh what's called the Loretta Scott um accreditation program, and she uh went through an ex very, very extensive and intense training process to receive her certified member accreditation through the American Association of airport Executives, which is amazing, I have my cm and Dave actually has the accreditation which is next Which is far uh uh a greater, including a master's degree and uh very, very intense interview process, but uh super proud of Stacy and happy to report.

D

This year's teacher or uh certified member accreditation uh I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about snow, especially on today. uh Dave's been up a long time today with his team, uh our team came in early to uh start our first snow event. We saw Heritage and their team out uh using some of the old BTV equipment which, as you remember, we recently sold to Heritage, making really good use of it.

D

So I just want to say thank you to uh publicly to our entire team, because it's November 16th and it's the start of the snow season, unfortunately, but uh really proud of the work they did all right.

D

um uh Larry already mentioned a bunch of items associated with the terminal integration project completely uh completed in the actual building. We have some uh final final pieces that are happening downstairs. It still looks really beautiful. New carpet is in downstairs in the existing portion of the building. We have about a week left and we will be 100 complete uh from the project.

D

um It'll go into next week, a little bit more we're open by the end of Friday, but a little bit longer uh looks fantastic, a really great flow.

D

Now we're able to go to the next project, which is the two million dollar North renovation project, and these pictures right here, uh but this is another bill funded project that um we're gonna change. Some of the layout of our North Concourse area, open up the space to the capacity that we really need uh up on the North side. So that's going to happen in about two weeks.

D

The first week of December we're going to start taking that up another intrusive project because it is inside of the existing building, so we're we're going to have area shut down and now detours associated with traffic flow, but the end result is going to be uh really really spectacular uh and then the final piece uh is this: uh this graph right here, I just wanted to share because it was extremely exciting I was able to share it with um with Tim uh a week ago.

H

D

Are the busiest airport in New England uh outside of Boston.

D

um And that uh yeah I'm glad actually Matt is here because that's a huge uh huge caveat to the amount of work that Heritage does it maybe get every day and not just on our Journal right, the commercial operations, but the general aviation operation would really contributes to this. uh This orange number on the right hand, side of this particular chart uh in our air traffic operations. I think I've reported in the past uh that air traffic recently received a grade increase on their salary scale, and that's because they are busy.

D

We are very complex at this Airfield uh again we are busier than any North I'm going to say Northeast Airport, uh and that includes Bradley Manchester, Providence, Portland, Maine, Bangor and Albany. We have more operations. Of course that's not passenger numbers. So that's a total number of operations, Landing stakeups uh in in traffic in our in our Airfield right here, that's super exciting as we went further along in this analysis.

D

Air traffic in the FAA also helped us gather additional data which I'll probably report on in the future, uh but there's other larger over 1 million population Metro areas that we are more busier like Milwaukee um and, like I, said Providence, and some of these other airports right here uh million one million population Metro areas and our airport is seeing a massive increase to that number of operations.

D

Not General like I, said, and not a lot of it is contributed to commercial traffic or commercial traffic is actually consolidating into larger, more efficient uh aircraft or Mainline aircraft. In fact, Larry and I were on a Mainline aircraft coming home last night, but this is a huge contribution to all of our general aviation Partners Beta Technologies is a Vermont Flight Academy huge contributor to this. To this massive increase over the last year year now super exciting, so I couldn't not show that with you all that.

G

Does it for me for the report.

A

And that particular.

H

Point I happen to notice.

A

I didn't notice the first time you shared it, but we're.

H

Also, the only airport.

A

In this table, that is busier in 2022 to.

D

2019 during the oh.

H

A

We're on an increase of price from pre-pandemic yeah we're the only one. That's busier, yeah, that's great.

A

All right, Commissioners, any questions, observations.

I

I just have one um I think this is the right time. I I had the pleasure of flying through BTV last week, so I got to experience the new um TSA uh portion and it was great and every person who works there with whom I spoke. I asked them. How do you like it, and there was a lot of smiles and a lot of positive things, so it was a very happy um staff there and it was just really satisfying to see so, who knows.

H

D

A

Sharing that Helen and I, like about the same thing, I flew out on the first of uh Halloween I, didn't know, people would dress up on planes for.

D

Halloween the answers, no did you, you were the only one yeah.

A

I want to say TSA agent.

A

But similar experience to Helen, like everyone, seemed really happy. You know one person was like yeah I'm still learning the machine, but but uh you know, but overall I think people were happy and I can.

D

Tell you my experience, Larry. My experience through Chicago yesterday was not nearly as it Pleasant I love, Chicago and.

J

I loved having the partnership.

D

With United, of course, to go to Chicago, but the experience was very, very different uh with, with their checkpoint all the machines slow lines uh you gotta take out. All of your electronics from the back here I was able to throw my bag into a single bucket and I'll. Take out my toiletries or machines. I did not fly through check.

H

D

Of see what that experience is also, although I do encourage everybody to get free check right, uh Shelby is forcing me to go um yeah very vastly different in Chicago yeah. It's good.

A

Okay, all right, thank you, Nick, so item 13 is follow-up item so Helen this is this was yours here we had the presentation today from BHB. Does that address uh your outstanding follow-up item, or is there more you'd like to see on that.

I

Helen, are you there? Oh I'm, sorry I didn't hear you. What would.

A

I

A

So we had, we had us a follow-up item from many many means I. Don't remember exactly how many that you wanted to hear an update on the Air Force sustainability.

I

Plan yeah. No. What I heard today was great and I. Think um and I like the idea of having a sustainability report on a lot of the um action items, so the world and public knows that we're really serious about it. So no I'm fine. That was perfect. Thank.

A

You and then just for all Commissioners, just as a reminder, because I don't know if I've ever really. This is really hard for for Greg and Robin. The concept of the follow-up item is, as we come to the end of the meeting. If.

N

There's anything that.

A

You feel airport staff needs to follow up on for a future meeting or outside of a meeting. We add that here, so we don't sort of lose track of the various little things that need to be done so Commissioners as a whole. Are there any items that we should add to follow-up items for next time around anything you're looking for airport staff to follow up on.

B

um A little uh worried that the next time I come to the park that that large tractor is gonna still be there. But you probably saw that the tractor.

C

Yeah there's a.

B

Lawnmower in one of the a couple of lawnmowers in the airport.

C

It's not a problem because we don't have enough airport Commissioners.

C

That's the problem.

K

That's that's my tractor actually I'm driving, dad Robin laughter.

F

F

Oh gosh, that's funny I'll laugh about it tomorrow.

A

All right, so they can please follow up items. Item 14 is a German and just before we German just want to reiterate. Our next meeting will be December 7th at 4. P.M do.

K

I hear a motion too with children, some of them motion.

A

All right, thank you uh all those a favorite German, please subscribe to, say hi hi any of those I, don't think so we are adjourned. Thank you. Everyone. Thank you.

K

Good meeting can I make a comment before you all leave and now that we're adjourned sure.

H