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Burlington City Council 10/24/2022 Agenda:
Agenda 0:00
Public Comment: Redistricting 1:50
Work Session: Redistricting 8:40
Public Forum 1:20:20
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A
A
And
also
to
did
you
mention
that
the
removing
3.2?
Okay,
all
right
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
motion.
So
there's
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
with
amendments
by
councilor
hightowers
or
a
second
to
that
motion
seconded
by
councilor
Bergman.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
motion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say
aye
any
opposed,
please
say
no,
and
we
have
our
agenda.
I'll
also
note
that
councilor
McGee
is
joining
us
via
Zoom
is
on
on
our
screen,
thanks
so
much
for
being
here.
A
A
I
believe
there
is
there's
one
person
who
wishes
to
speak
in
person
and
then
I
believe
we
have
one
person
who
is
online,
who
wishes
to
speak
so
with
that?
We
would
prefer
that
you
speak
for
no
more
than
two
minutes
just
so
that
we're
sure
that
we
can
fit
everyone
in
just
on
the
off
chance
that
somebody
else
wishes
to
speak
with
that.
That
in
mind,
we'll
go
to
a
Jeff
Comstock,
who
is
here
in
person
thanks
for
being
here,
Jeff.
C
Ahead:
okay,
so
yeah
two
thoughts,
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
this
evening.
The
first
is
about
the
10
deviation,
Rule,
and
the
second
is
the
word
of
appreciation
for
the
city
planning
office.
So
first
I
think
is
unwise
for
the
council
to
convince
yourself
that
you
have
the
flexibility
to
disregard
the
10
deviation
rule.
This
came.
C
Secondly,
I
want
to
thank
the
city
council
plan
or
the
city
planning
office
for
the
incredible
amount
of
good
work
that
they
have
done
to
support
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
for
responding
to
all
the
conditions
and
requests
that
the
council
keeps
making
of
them.
It's
my
observation
that
the
longer
this
decision
drags
on,
the
more
contorted
the
redistricting
map
becomes.
C
The
proposed
configuration
of
Ward
8,
the
council
is
looking
at
tonight.
I
think
damages
The
credibility
of
the
entire
redistricting
process.
The
city
council
often
makes
decisions
that
people
are
unhappy
with
so
I
contend
that
the
redistricting
decisions
should
serve
the
best
interest
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
So
to
that
end,
I
support
some
version
of
option
two
or
three
from
the
October
3rd
and
17th
meetings
and
I
would
also
include
their
version
16
map
submitted
by
Robert
Bristow
Johnson
that
accomplishes
this
goal
in
the
best
way.
A
Thanks
so
much
thank
you
Jeff
I
there
is
one
person
who's
in
the
queue
who
wishes
to
speak
online.
That's
Sharon,
butcher,
I,
don't
have
hosting.
So
if
you
can
promote
that
person
so
that
they
can
speak
or
whoever
it
is,
that
does
have
hosting
abilities.
If
you
could,
please
promote
Sharon
butcher,
who
is
online.
A
D
D
I
feel
that
the
proposed
to
eight
Ward
versions
should
be
looked
at
carefully.
I
must
admit
that
what
it
does
for
the
ward
that
I
live
in
Ward
one
is
that
it.
It
brings
back
that
strong
residential
component
I
think
those
that
don't
live
in
Ward.
One,
don't
understand
the
significance
of
cutting
out
really
the
heart
of
Ward
one
when
other
Maps
did
that
that's
more
than
just
redistricting.
D
It
seems
to
me
it's
a
small
residential
street
that
should
remain
in
one
Ward,
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
over
the
process,
I've
always
heard
people
like
two
counselors
and
I
know
that
we
did
the
districts,
but
there
was
a
there
still
is
concern
about
the
districts.
I.
Don't
really
want
to
go
back
to
that.
I
support
eight
Wards
and
two
counselors.
That's
my
first
choice,
but
whatever
choice
you
end
up
with
I
think
each
Ward
should
have
two
counselors.
Thank
you
so
much
foreign.
A
E
A
It
doesn't
appear
to
be
the
case,
so
what
we
will
do
is
close
the
public
forum
on
redistricting
and
move
on
to
the
work
session,
and
for
that
for
first
we
will
hear
from
Nancy
Stetson
and
from
Megan
Tuttle,
who
have
been
hard
at
work
on
a
number
of
new
maps.
In
addition
to
the
many
many
others
that
you
have
provided
for
us,
I
would
also
second
exactly
what
Jeff
Comstock
said.
Many
thanks
to
both
of
you
for
all
of
your
work
on
this.
A
F
F
The
deviation
is
close
to
ten
percent,
as
is
most
of
these
Maps
and
on-campus
students
are
split
primarily
between
Wards
one
and
Ward
6,
with
57
percent
of
Ward
6
being
on
campus
students
on
the
next
slide.
You
can
see
the
only
difference
between
the
the
two
versions
is
along
the
border
between
Ward
3
and
Ward
5..
F
F
G
A
A
B
B
B
B
It
would
seem
very
unfortunate
to
keep
saying
we
should
split
this
group
up
amongst
all
the
wards
evenly
so
that
they
don't
have
a
voting
block
or
that
they
aren't
to
and
I
understand
how
student
is
a
little
bit
different
in
that
students
are
a
little
bit
different
in
that,
but
I
I.
Don't
think
that
a
main
goal
of
ours
should
be
to
we'll
have
the
students
in
as
many
Wards
as
possible
and
I
also
just
want
to
heart
back
to
that.
B
If
that
is
the
point
that
Ward
one
has
more
off-campus
students
than
any
other
award,
as
Sharon
has
said
quite
a
few
times
so
with
those
lines
I
don't
think
I
can
support
a
map
that
truly
Cuts
Brooks
Ave
in
half
I
would
much
prefer
that
the
line
be
moved
to
Pearl
Street,
or
at
least
that
there's
some
way
that
we
can
have
both
sides
of
Brooks
Ave
in
one
Ward.
Thank
you.
A
H
Is
just
a
point
of
clarification,
I
guess
from
Nancy
and
I
know:
we've
done
it.
Is
there
it's
awkward,
but
can
you
split
streets
basically
in
somebody's
backyard,
as
opposed
into
a
street
I
know,
there's
a
district
in
my
district
where
they,
the
backyard,
is
the
dividing
line
as
opposed
to
the
street,
and
that's
really
just
relative
to
councilor
hightower's
comment
about
Brooks
Avenue,
whether
you
could
go
down
the
backyard
of
the
South
houses.
F
I
do
not
know
the
answer
to
that.
I
think
what
would
be
difficult
is
getting
accurate
for
both
parts
of
a
block.
We
are
splitting
the
UVM
block,
because
we
know
the
population
of
the
dorms,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
that
process
would
work.
I.
Also
think,
then
you
would
have
to
split
neighbors.
You
know
you'd
have
to
along
will
Willard.
You
know,
you'd
have
to
split
Neighbors
from
each
other.
A
You
thanks
thanks:
counselor
Carpenter
are
there
others
who
wish
to
speak
to
this
and
then
I
think
also
what
we
probably
would
be
helpful,
I,
don't
know
if
the
CAO
can
do
this,
for
us
would
just
simply
be
to
you
would
send
out
a
timeline
of
I.
You
know
how
I
actually
was
probably
Sarah,
Sarah
Montgomery
that
did
but
I
think
we
should
have
a
conversation
about
what
the
timeline
is
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
this
on
the
ballot
for
March,
councilor
Zhang.
J
Sure
I'll
take
a
stab
there's
consensus.
That
redistricting
is
a
very
challenging
that
much
we
can
all
agree
on
beyond
that.
I
think
we
have
sort
of,
even
though
it
seems
like
we've
taking
a
lot
of
time.
I
think
we
have
narrowed
it
down
to
a
couple
of
different
options,
either
in
eight
word
map
and
a
seven
word
map,
and
although
there
may
not,
there
may
not
be
consensus,
I
guess
we'll
find
out
this
evening.
J
Any
eight
word
map
that
we've
discussed
at
least
two
of
us
in
the
working
group
have
indicated
that
in
any
award
scenario,
districts
would
probably
survive
or
may
survive
into
the
next.
The
next
Council
District
map,
and
if
we
went
with
seven
that
the
council
would
expand
to
14.
I
think
we've
agreed
on
that.
Much
there's
been
a
number
of
discussions
around
the
students,
the
on-campus
student
populations
and
trying
to
distribute
it
in
a
way
to
address
some
of
the
challenges
that
the
city
has
experienced.
J
Think
we've
all
agreed
that
if
that
ever,
if
that
is
to
happen,
that
we
try
to
keep
neighborhoods
together
and
not
not
split
them
up
in
in
ways
that
would
be
that
would
break
those
communities
of
neighborhood
interests.
So
I'd
say
that
that's
then
agreed
to
there's.
You
know,
there's
some
a
variety
of
opinions
on
what
the
best
way
to
accomplish
some
of
the
redistricting
goals
are
and
I.
K
K
You
know
they're
they're,
a
larger
percentage
of
a
smaller
number,
each
voter
and
creating
districts
where
it's
hard
to
find
people
to
step
up.
As
Keith
Pillsbury
has
said.
Often
we
need
people
who
can
step
up
and
serve
on
school
board
and
staff.
The
polls
and
all
of
the
various
volunteer
opportunities
that
Burlington
generously
provides
so
I
do
think
it
is
important
to
kind
of
make
that
make
that
distribution
to
be
fair.
L
If
the
the
problem
is
with
just
Brooks
Avenue,
where
that
is
a
one
problem,
I
mean
we
could
go
out,
I
would
authorize
my
my
staff
person
I'd
go
with
a
tripartisan
group
and
we
could
count
numbers
right.
There's
we.
We
know
that
we
can
split
census
blocks
if
you've
got
one
side
of
one
Street
and
it's
as
short
as
Brooks
Avenue
is
we
could
do
that.
L
I
mean
and
I
think
that
we
should,
if
that's
the
the
big
deal,
because
that
that's
just
being
bureaucratic
and
being
slaves
to
a
bureaucracy
bureaucratic
way
of
looking
at
it.
If
we
just
leave
it
to
okay,
we
have
to
keep
it
in
the
census
block,
because
it's
too
hard
to
figure
out
how
many
people
live
on
that
side
of
Brooks
Avenue.
So
I
think
that
that
is
possible.
I
disagree
with
Mr
comstock's
assessment
of
what
the
opinion
of
the
City
attorney
was
with
regard
to
the
deviation.
L
I
do
think
that
we
have
more
fudge
than
we're
giving
ourselves
it's
not
a
hard
Line.
This
is
court-made
rules
in
as
long
as
we
are
acting
in
good
faith,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
to
litigate
that
so
to
speak
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
just
see
no
seven
word
map
that
can
satisfy
me
at
all.
It
brings
in
such
a
significant
section
of
the
old
North
End
into
Ward.
For
that
it
it
just
it.
L
Obviously,
my
suggestion
of
moving
ward
two
into
that
neighborhood
somehow
and
to
be
able
to
give
backward
one
did
not
make
it
onto
a
map
but
I
I
still
think
historically,
Ward
2
has
gone
up
to
Main
Street
in
the
past
and
did
it
did
Encompass
the
the
Beulah
Street
and
Hungerford
Terrace
area.
I
represented
it
for
six
years,
three
terms
in
the
80s,
so
the
you
know
that's
a
more
sick.
You
know
maybe
a
more
significant
change,
but
thank
you.
A
A
So
with
that,
are
there
others
there's
I,
don't
have
anyone
in
the
queue
is
there?
Others
are
there,
others
who
wish
to
speak
just
offer
General
comments
or
the
other
thing.
Also,
if
they're,
if
you
have
questions
of
Nancy
or
Megan,
we
maybe
can
even
I,
don't
know
how
interactive
we
can
be,
but
perhaps
we
can
at
least
look
at
things
and
see
whether
or
not
one
thing
is
doable
or
not.
That's
the
point
of
this
work
session.
Counselor
Travers.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
Council,
counselor,
McGee.
M
Thank
you,
president
Paul
I'll
be
brief,
as
I
think
my
preferences
have
been
are
well
stated
in
the
past,
given
the
maps
that
are
in
front
of
us
right
now,
I,
like
the
eight
Ward
version,
two
I
think
that
gets
us
the
closest
and
with
some
edits
I
would
be
glad
to
join
councilor
Bergman
and
canvassing
Brooks
have
I
think
that
gets
us
the
closest
to
solving
many
of
the
issues
we've
discussed
and
like
counselor
Bergman.
There
is
no
version
of
the
seven
board
map
that
I
could
support.
N
Thank
you,
president.
Paul.
First
of
all,
as
a
member
of
the
working
group,
I
want
to
Echo
the
comments
that
have
already
been
made
to
the
planning
team,
especially
Nancy
Stetson,
for
the
work
that
they've
spent
on
putting
all
of
these
Maps
together.
I
think
just
as
a
general
comment,
I'm
relatively
new
to
the
council.
This
is
my
first
process
with
redistricting.
I
would
seriously
like
our
Council
to
take
a
look
at
once.
This
process
is
over,
are
taking
this
process
out
of
the
city
council's
hands.
N
I.
Think
that,
first
of
all,
it's
problematic
that
this
is
something
that
has
to
go
through
the
charter
change
process,
where,
even
when
we
do
put
a
a
question
out
there,
it's
ultimately
something
that's
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
legislature,
and
we
won't
have
answers
until
the
legislature
acts
on
it
and
then
beyond
that,
I
think
that
there
would
be
significant
value
in
our
coming
up
with
a
more
sort
of
independent
process
that
we
would
have
to
live
with
one
way
or
another.
N
As
to
as
to
how
we
do
this
redistricting
in
the
working
group
I've
come
around
to
the
mindset
in
looking
at
the
seven
Ward
and
and
eight
Ward
Maps,
that
in
looking
at
an
eight
word
map,
we
are
realistically
looking
at
an
eight
Ward
map
that
maintains
four
districts
and
12
counselors
in
in
any
recent
memory.
We
have
not
been
a
city
council
that
has
had
16
counselors,
which
would
be
the
other
option
with
an
eight
Ward
map.
N
N
That
said,
I
I
hear
the
arguments
that
folks
are
making
about
the
value
of
expanding
the
size
of
the
council
and
the
value
of
our
going
to
a
system
where
each
Ward
elects
two
counselors,
which
is
why
personally
I
have
been
interested
in
are
continuing
to
pursue
a
seven
Ward
map,
because
it
meets
a
lot
of
the
goals
that
we've
stated
out.
Front.
I
think
that
we've
had
a
discussion
about
wanting
to
do
away
with
the
so-called
student
Ward
and
Ward
8
I.
N
Think
we've
had
some
consensus
around
if
we,
if
in
a
perfect
world,
getting
rid
of
the
districts
and
moving
to
two-person,
Wards
and
I,
think
that
some
of
the
seven
Ward
maps
that
are
on
here,
seven
Ward
version,
two
seven
Ward
version.
One
check
many
of
the
boxes
that
were
laid
out
by
the
ad
hoc
redistrictment
committee
and
that
we've
talked
about
as
as
wanting
to
address
and
redistricting.
N
N
I
think
we
need
to
do
away
to
the
greatest
extent
we
can
with
the
so-called
salamander
Ward
I.
Think
the
issue
to
me
here
is
that
we
have
some
common
consensus
here
that
that
we
would
like
to
do
away
with
the
ward
8
salamander
student
award,
where
a
vast
majority
of
the
folks
currently
in
that
Ward
are
on
campus
students
and
I
agree
with
the
comments
of
council,
Shannon
I.
Think
that
that,
on
campus
students,
this
isn't
about
students.
N
This
is
about
on-campus
students
who
are
freshmen
and
sophomores
who
are
guaranteed
to
move
who
live
in
on-campus
dormitories
that
are
inaccessible
to
folks
who
are
running
for
office
and
are
looking
to
go
door
to
door
and
they're
individuals
who
are
relatively
new
to
our
community,
who
we
have
seen
in
Ward
8
right
now.
We
struggle
to
find
people
to
run
for
inspective
elections
in
Ward
clerk,
races
and
School
Board
races.
We
struggle
to
get
people
to
to
volunteer
and
to
run
a
polling
station.
N
So
I
am
you
know
open
as
well
to
some
tweaking
of
of
an
eight
Ward
version.
Two
I
do
think
that
in
that
Ward,
however,
more
students
would
have
to
go
into
Ward.
Eight
I
think
there's
a
way
for
us
to
do
it
that
there
are
fewer
on-campus
students
in
Ward,
8
I'm,
not
opposed
to
the
concept
that
was
raised
by
Council
Bergman
of
of
the
central
campus,
for
example,
going
into
Ward
8,
but
I.
I.
N
In
wanting
to
maintain
that
as
a
as
a
cohesive
Ward,
you
know,
I
do
think
that
the
the
the
Hedrick
map
presents
something
interesting
for
us
to
look
at,
especially
if
we're
maintaining
districts
where,
if
a
ward,
1
and
Ward
8
and
award
eight
keeping
that
District
cohesive.
If
they
were
put
together
like
that
and
if
that
could
be
a
District
counselor
as
well,
that
that
sort
of
old
East
End
so
to
speak,
could
stay
together
so
long-winded
thoughts
there.
K
The
second
is
that
it's
it's,
you
know
gerrymandered
to
wrap
around
into
the
into
the
UVM
campus
and
it
takes
a
neighborhood.
That's
part
of
the
South
Prospect
Street
neighborhood,
and
really
disconnects
it
from
its
neighborhood
and
isolates
it
I
mean
if
you
take
a
big
enough
section
of
a
neighborhood,
you
can
kind
of
you
know,
there's
at
least
a
cohesive
body
of
a
neighborhood
there,
but
this
just
takes
two
streets:
Robinson
Parkway
and
Henderson
Terrace,
and
puts
them
into
a
student,
neighborhood,
I,
always
kind
of
use.
K
K
So
I'm
not
opposed
to
Ward
to
eight
Ward
Maps
generally,
but
I
do
not
think
that
these
two
eight
Ward
Maps
work
I
do
think
that
the
seven
Ward
Maps
work,
even
though
that
does
take
the
old
North
End
and
the
new
North
End,
creating
one
one
Ward
with
parts
of
the
old
North
End
and
new
North
End.
There
is
the
it's
almost
2
000
people
in
the
old
North
End.
So
it's
a
solid
body
of
a
neighborhood
and
I
do
think.
B
Oh,
my
gosh
I,
don't
know
why
I
keep
forgetting
that
I'm
coming
up
right
after
I
say
that
I
want
to
speak.
Oh
the
I
think
I
would
really
a
pre
I
mean,
regardless
of
which
version
that
we
go
with
I.
Think
that,
unfortunately,
what
we
did
with
the
seven
award
Maps
is
we
just
put
in
more
athletic
Camp
of
athletic
campus
to
keyboard
Ward
one
the
same
boundaries
and
I,
so
I
think
I,
don't
have
a
preference
when
that
hasn't
been
solved.
B
I
so
I.
Think
first
thing
is
just
I
would
ask
that
we
commit
to
removing
some
part
of
athletic
campus
I
realize
on
the
eight
Ward
maps.
That
means
taking
maybe
the
only
part
of
athletic
campus
but
again
I
think
that
Ward
one
has
a
big
has
under
these
Maps
I.
Don't
exactly
know
what
it
is
on.
Seven
Ward
version
three,
but
it
has
30
percent
of
the
student
population.
We've
got
main
campus.
We've
got
Trinity
campus,
which
is
expected
to
grow
over
the
next
10
years.
B
I,
don't
care
so
much
about
I
would
happily
accept
all
of
them
like
campus
and
toward
one
and
welcome
them
with
open
arms,
except
that
we're
cutting
out
that
chunk
of
Ward
one
that
I
think
would
be
really
hard
and
I
think
in
some
of
the
versions
of
the
seven
Ward
or
the
eight
Ward.
It
just
takes
that
and
it's
the
only
little
bump
out
that
goes
to
a
different
Ward,
which
I
think
to
what
council
Shannon
was
just
talking
about.
B
It
really
isolates
that
neighborhood,
depending
on
what
map
we're
looking
at
so
regardless
of
what
map
we're
looking
at
I,
think
my
ask
is
that
we
consider
removing
part
of
athletic
campus,
not
because
I
don't
want
it,
but
because
I
think
that
that
is
the
only
way
to
get
that
part
of
brick
stuff
back
on.
Unless
we
are
okay
with
just
having
the
other
side
of
Brooks
Ave
join
again,
but
I
really
do
think.
Pearl
Street
should
be
that
divide
beyond
that.
I,
don't
I
think
both
it
sounds
like
we're.
B
M
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
answer.
Councilor
traverse's
question
about
additional
issues
with
the
seven
Ward
map
and
note
the
comparison
to
the
State
House
districts,
the
State
House
districts.
Don't
impact
the
the
most
local
level
of
our
city
government
in
determining
the
NPA
makeups
and
to
take
this
section
of
ward
3.
M
What's
currently
ward
3
and
move
it
into
the
new
North
End
would
chromatically
impact
neighborhood
decisions,
and
so
that
is
an
additional
reason
why
I
would
not
support
a
seven
word
map
and
counselor
Shannon
has
me
doing
some
math
with
the
population
blocks
right
now,
so
I
will
continue
doing
that.
Thank
you.
N
N
The
reality
is
that
it
appears
to
me
that
that
is
the
issue
that
this
discussion
is
boiling
down
to,
and
that
makes
sense,
because
we
started
this
process
with
consensus
that
the
salamander
student
Ward
8
needed
to
go
away
and
and
needed
to
be
absorbed,
absorbed
into
either
a
seven
Ward
or
award
eight
map.
However,
in
the
current
Ward
a
and
these
are
sort
of
broad
numbers
there's
about
3
500
on-campus
students,
so
the
question
boils
down
to.
N
If,
if
we
have
common
consensus,
that
the
current
Ward
8
needs
to
be
changed,
where
are
those
3
500
on-campus
students
going
to
go
and
I'm?
Mindful
of
the
fact
that
sort
of
the
target
numbers
we
have
in
an
eight
Ward
map
are
about
5500
people
within
the
ward?
So
if
you're,
starting
with
3
500
students
you're
not
leaving
that
much
space,
you
have
again
a
vast
majority
of
the
folks
in
the
current
Ward
8,
as
as
being
on
campus
students.
N
So
where
does
the
athletic
campus
go
then?
Well,
it
could
go
all
into
Ward
one.
We
do
see
some
maps
that
show
the
athletic
campus
going
all
in
toward
one,
but
that
presents
issues
as
councilor,
Hightower
and
others
have
identified,
because
there's
no
way
to
put
all
of
those
on-campus
students
in
the
athletic
campus
into
Ward
one,
and
for
that
to
not
impact
this
North
North
Hill,
section
neighborhood
of
Loomis
and
Henry
and
Brooks
and
and
the
streets
along
there.
N
The
third
option
is
that,
then,
that
that
all
of
the
athletic
campus
goes
into
a
ward,
eight
and
I
do
think
that
there's
a
way
to
make
that
Ward
8
look
less
salamander-like.
If
we
put
some
of
the
central
campus
into
war
date
as
well
and
extend
it
down
into
the
downtown
Corridor,
but
the
reality
there
is
that
you're
still
going
to
have
a
wardate
which
will
not
be
dominated
as
as
much
but
on-campus
students
will
still
be
a
significant
number
of
on-campus
students.
N
L
You
know
the
you
can
think
about
how
divorced
the
people
are
from
the
state
legislature.
I
mean
just
think
about
that
they
are
not
divorced
from
us.
They
call
us
when
there
is
a
pothole.
They
call
us
when
there
are
parking
issues.
They
call
us
when
there's
a
gun
incident
anywhere
in
the
city.
This
is
very
different
and
the
old
North
End-
and
this
is
not
even
my
ward-
although
I
have
lived
in
a
section
on
Drew
Street,
so
and
and
in
on
North
Street.
L
This
is
just
something
that
those
people
need
to
have
a
representative
in
their
community
and
you
just
do
not
get
it
when
you
pop
them
into
I
think
it
is
Ward.
Four
I
I
think
that
the
the
questions
that
were
raised
around
Robinson
Parkway
are
real.
I.
Think
you
address
that
by
maybe
shifting
so
that
you
move
the
the
students
that
are
going
to
be
somewhere.
L
There
are
residents
in
the
central
core
campus
up
and
then
moving
the
people
on
Robinson
Parkway,
like
they
actually
are
in
this
eight
Ward
version,
two
in
towards
six,
so
I
I
think
that
that
is.
That
is
a
possible
change
that
will
create
a
contiguous
Ward
for
Ward
8
and
eliminate
the
visual
issues
that
many
people
have,
and
let
me
just
add
and
I
obviously
have
not
been
at
the
the
working
group.
L
So
I
don't
know
what
the
discussion
has
been,
but
we
have
had
in
the
charter
change
committee,
a
discussion
about
the
flexibility
of
sites
for
polling
places
and,
in
all
likelihood,
will
be
bringing
back
to
the
council
to
recommend
that
It
Go
on
the
the
ballot
for
this
coming.
March,
a
item
and
item
that
will
allow
for
the
flexibility
in
polling
places
and
if
that
therefore
implicates
say
the
lines
around
Edmonds,
then
perhaps
we
have
some
more
flexibility
to
go
there.
L
I
I
I
just
want
to
implore
you
to
not
move
to
a
an
option
that
takes
a
significant
section
of
the
old
North
End
Community
and
brings
it
into
the
political
district.
A
political
district
in
the
new
North
End
I've
lived
in
the
new
North
End
for
several
times
for
significant
periods
of
time.
I
I,
like
people
out
there
I
spend
time
out
there.
This
is
not.
L
This
is
about
just
the
Integrity
of
the
the
communities
and
trying
to
get
the
best
and
most
accurate
representation
possible
and
I
think
that
we
can
do
that
and
again
I
the
questions
of
the
numbers
like
12
or
16.
I
I'm
willing
to
kick
that
down
the
line,
because
this
is
the
fundamental
question
where
the
lines
are
drawn,
then
we
get
to
play
on
that
field.
J
Are
there
any
of
my
colleagues
who
and
if
there
are
I'd,
be
interested
in
hearing
from
them
that
have
objections
to
an
eight-word
for
counselor
or
four
District
math,
because
I
agree
with
councilor
Paul
in
that
this
is
a
fundamental
question.
If
we're
going
to
move
forward
to
lines
is
to
know
how
big
our
our
awards
are
going
to
be
so,
I
would
be
interested
to
hear
from
anyone
who
has
objections
to,
in
a
word,
four
district
map.
E
A
A
L
O
You
I
agree,
I,
think
with
a
lot
of
what
you
just
said:
councilor
Bergman
about
the
dinners,
maybe
but
the
rest
of
it
I.
Think
it's
a
good
question.
Councilor
Barlow
I
think
you
probably
have
I'm
guessing
have
experienced
this
as
someone
who
represents
a
district
that
it's
it's
really
a
lot
of
constituents
and
I
think
that's
how
I
feel
sometimes
and
I
think
that
if
this
is
how
we're
going
to
find
consensus
going
forward,
it's
is
it
I
think
to
councilor
Bergman.
It's
is
it
ideal?
O
If
we're
going
to
have
a
different
process
for
doing
this
in
in
the
future
than
so
be
it
or
if
the
council
is
going
to
do
this
process
again,
I
think
that
it's
something
that
we
should
still
continue
to
look
at
resolving
because
I
don't
think
the
districts
are
ideal.
But
if
this
is
where
we're
at
at
this
stage
in
the
process
and
that's
the
way
forward,
then
so
be
it.
So
that
is
that's
my
thought
on
that
I.
O
K
Thank
you,
I
was
I
was
trying
to
respond
to
the
question
as
a
as
a
district
counselor
I
love
serving
the
district
and
I've
also
served
as
a
ward
counselor,
and
when
I
was
a
ward
counselor
I
found
that
a
lot
of
people
outside
my
district
would
contact
me,
which
we
all
experience.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
contact
the
whole
city
council,
but
also
our
our
kind
of
definition
of
a
neighborhood
by
Ward
is
so
small.
K
I
would
say:
I
had
a
lot
of
friends
in
close
contacts
that
were
also
in
ward
6
and
to
me
it
feels
quite
natural
for
those
two
to
be
combined
and
to
kind
of
I
won't
say
one
neighborhood,
because
even
within
each
Ward
we
have
many
neighborhoods.
So
it
isn't
one
neighborhood,
but
I
have
really
enjoyed
serving
the
district.
At
the
same
time,
I
really
dislike
the
Ward
district
combinations,
I
dislike
them,
because
I
think
they're,
really
confusing
and
I.
K
Think
even
people
who
are
pretty
engaged
are
very
confused
by
The
Ward
district
system,
so
my
preference
would
actually
be
to
go
to
four
Wards.
We
can
call
them
Wards,
we
can
call
them
different
districts.
I.
Think
four
is
a
good
size
for
the
city,
but
I
also
appreciate
that
I
am
in
the
minority
in
that
viewpoint,
so
for
as
much
as
I,
don't
really
like
the
eight
Ward
four
District
combination
over
time.
I
think
people
have
adjusted
to
it.
It
is
what
it
is
now
and
I
can
live
with
it.
H
Thanks
I
just
want
to
express
my
support
for
the
12
counselors.
The
districts
are
awkward
but
I.
Think
in
terms
of
my
many
years
of
experience
and
sizes
of
boards
and
good
governance,
it's
a
much
better
working
number
and
given,
where
we're
at
today
and
given
the
issues
that
have
been
identified
with
the
seven
word
map
I'm
fine,
with
an
eight
word
map.
H
Knowing
this
tweaks,
we
got
to
make
and
can
support
that
if
we
remain
with
the
12
counselors
to
Ward
one
district
and
just
anecdotally,
I
mean
I
feel
like
somebody
made
a
comment,
I
mean
in
our
region,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
treatment
of
the
three
of
us
as
kind
of
always
being
in
one
neighborhood.
So
people
don't
identify
often
that
Ali
and
I
are
different.
Wards
I
mean
we
get
the
same
question
from
the
same
people
and
markets
them
as
well.
H
So
it
isn't,
as
disjointed
I
mean
it's
awkward,
to
explain
it
to
someone
who's,
never
voted
in
that
kind
of
system,
but
once
they
kind
of
get
it
I.
Think
and
I
would
say.
That's
probably
true
in
other
neighborhoods,
where
there
tends
to
be
treatment
of
the
three
counselors
together,
so
to
speak,
and
it's
not
as
bright-lined
as
one
might
imagine.
B
I
think
that's
probably
and
I
think.
Maybe
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
Ward
one
has
so
many
arguments
is
because
Ward
one
I
think
does
feel
more
like
you
are
the
new
North
End,
there's
the
old
North
End
and
then
there's
the
old
East
End,
which
is
just
Ward
one,
so
I
think
other
parts
of
the
city
don't
have
that
as
much
of
a
district
feel
as
some
of
the
current
cities
do.
B
My
if
I
am
just
speaking
as
a
ward
one
counselor,
my
favorite
is
seven
by
two,
then
eight
by
two
and
then
eight
plus
four,
but
I
obviously
also
won't
stand
in
the
way
of
consensus.
But
again
just
want
to
emphasize
that
not
every
part
of
the
city
has
the
same
district
level,
identity
that
some
of
the
other
parts
of
the
city
do.
A
Okay,
thanks
counselor
Hightower
we're
getting
to
around
7
15
we've
got
ourselves
some
time.
There
is
no
one
in
the
queue
to
speak
in
public
forum,
so
we
will
have
to
go.
Oh
I
apologize.
Okay,
we
will
we
will.
We
will
go
to
public
forum,
but
we
don't
need
to
go
to
public
forum
for
a
little
while
because
there
are
only
I
guess,
a
couple
of
people
who
wish
to
speak
in
public
forum.
So
with
that
councilor
Barlow.
A
J
P
A
A
O
Can
you
just
remind
me,
or
can
we
what
is
the
timeline
once
we
just
or
we
can
do
it
after
the
motion,
if
you
want
but
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
remember
and
then
what's
the
process
for
because
it
sounds
like
we
are
moving
forward
with
eight
words,
four
districts,
but
with
the
boundaries
still
to
be
determined.
So
what
are
we
planning
another
work
session,
or
will
there
just
be
another
presentation
to
the
council.
A
So
I
I'm,
probably
I,
may
may
or
may
not
be
the
best
person
to
speak
to
the
timeline.
My
understanding
is
that
the
last
day
that
Charter
language
can
come
to
this
body
is
the
12th
of
December.
Now
between
then
and
now,
any
decision
that
we
would
make
on
redistricting
must
then
go
and
be
converted
into
Charter
language
and
actually
councilor
Bergman
wrote
the
charter
language.
The
last
time
around
so
certainly
can
speak
to
that
as
well.
That
is
a
time
consuming
process.
A
I
believe
that
it
does
need
to
go
to
the
Charter
change
committee,
unless
the
council
were
to
determine
that
it
doesn't
need
to
go
to
the
Charter
change
committee.
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
time.
I
think
we
also
have
to
be
cognizant
of
two
things.
First
is
that
there
is
a
limited
amount
of
time
that
we
are
going
to
have
the
services
of
Nancy
Stetson,
and
the
second
is
that
you
know
we
are
going
to
be
then
bumping
into
the
Thanksgiving
holiday
and
I.
A
Think
it
would
personally
I
mean
this
is
just
more
of
a
judgment
would
be
that
being
able
to
make
a
decision
for
the
most
part
by
the
7th
of
November
is
pretty
critical.
So
if
we
can
get
ourselves
to
one
map
configuration
this
evening,
then
that
will
narrow
the
field,
and
we
can
then
move
forward
on
the
seventh,
hopefully
with
enough
input
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
map
that
will
broadly
reach
consensus.
So.
O
B
Great-
and
this
is
just
on
the
motion
itself,
which
is
just
that
I
will
be
voting,
no,
not
because
I
don't
support
it
as
a
whole,
but
because
the
ward,
8
versions
that
we
currently
have
in
front
of
us,
which
I'm
hoping
we
can
fix,
but
I,
also
know
that
there
was
a
high
tower.
Eight
Ward
version,
one
two
and
three
that
got
rejected,
I
assume
because
it
didn't
have
enough
of
the
on-campus
students.
B
I
do
just
want
to
say
that
Ward
one
does
have
807
main
campus
students,
433
Trinity
campus
students,
so
which
seems
to
add
up
pretty
close
to
what
we
should
be
having
in
that
in
that
fraction
of
total
students
and
so
I.
Just
I
can't
I
can't
with
us
right
now,
just
looking
at
maps
that
split
at
birkusav
I
want
to
vote
no,
but
I
support
the
general.
A
L
So
I
I
can
support
this
as
much
as
I
dislike
the
districts
so
know
that
I
can
vote
for
something
that
I
dislike
and
let
me
also
say,
and
give
credit
to
Jay
Appleton,
who
was
in
the
planning
office,
who
actually
wrote
the
meats
and
Bounds,
and
then
there
were
some
other
things
that
I
did
the
last
time
around
to
make
it
happen.
So
there
does
need
to
be
some
legal
vetting.
L
I
do
not
believe
if
we
settle
on
that
that
the
ordinance
at
the
charter
change
committee
needs
to
to
see
this.
We
may
want
to
suspend
the
rules
since
the
rules
do
indicate
things
go
to
committee
first
and
and
really
the
the
question
that
we
have,
regardless
of
what
version
that
we
we
choose,
is
just
to
have
enough
eyes
on
it
to
catch
mistakes,
and
that
is
what
a
committee
would
do.
So,
although
I
don't
think,
we
need
to
go
through
all
that
process
and
we've
got
our
our
hands
full
with
some
other
things.
N
Thank
you,
president
Paul,
as
I
stated
before,
I
will
admit,
I
liked
a
number
of
the
seven
Ward,
Maps
and
and
I
like
them
in
particular.
There's
a
lot
of
reasons
why?
But
what
I
like
the
most
about
it
was
that
it
did
away
with
the
districts
and
that
each
Ward
received
two
counselors.
We
would
expand
the
size
of
the
council.
N
I
know
that's
a
change
from
from
not
all
that
long
ago,
but
but
I
think
that
there's
some
inherent
value
in
our
opening
up
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
run
for
office
and
join
the
council
from
where
we
are
right.
Now
that
said,
I've
heard
the
concerns
of
my
colleagues
here
on
the
council-
and
it
seems
like
this
motion
is-
is
a
way
forward
towards
consensus,
which
I
think
is
a
good
idea.
So
I
will
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion.
K
N
Well,
as
you're
doing
that
and
I'm
gonna
sound
a
little
bit
like
a
broken
record
here,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
outstanding
questions,
even
with
our
Council
finding
consensus
on
on
eight
Wards
four
districts,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
outstanding
questions.
We
have
a
number
of
eight
Ward,
four
District
Maps
here
and
I.
Don't
know
that
we're
providing
you
all
all
that
much
direction
as
to
where
we
go
from
here
and
counselor.
N
The
direction
that
you
all
need
from
us
is
where
those
student
blocks
go.
They
are
the
largest
student
blocks
that
are
still
out
there,
as
as
noted
before,
every
map
that
we
have
has
about
2
000
students
from
the
Redstone
campus
already
going
to
Ward
six,
along
with
on-campus
students
in
in
Champlain
College.
So
from
my
perspective,
I,
don't
think
Ward
6
can
absorb
any
additional
on-campus
students
without
perpetuating
the
ward
8
problem.
N
So
from
my
perspective,
the
question
is
whether
or
not
the
athletic
student
blocks
and
and
the
central
campus
block,
which
this
is
a
version
of
the
map
that
I
don't
agree
with,
but
it's
good
for
a
visual
here
that
you
know
we
have
right
there
where,
on
this
proposed
map,
Ward
8
is
meeting
Ward
6.
You
have
808
and
989
on-campus
students.
N
You
have
the
living
and
learning
dormitory
above
that
with
514
students,
and
then
you
have
the
central
campus
dormitories
above
that
with
with
807
students,
so
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
from
you
all
right.
From
my
perspective,
the
direction
you
need
from
us
is
where
those
largest
blocks
that
we're
dealing
with
here
are
going
and
from
there
we
can
really
start
to
narrow
down
what
the
eight
Ward
four
four
District
maps
are.
F
I
I
think
you're.
That
has
been
a
challenge.
This
entire
process
I
think
one
one
point
that
would
help
me
is:
if
there
is
a
hard
limit
to
the
percent
of
on-campus
student,
any
Ward
would
accept
you
know,
because
there
are
maps
where
Ward
6
has.
You
know
60
to
70
percent
on
campus
students,
and
if,
if
60
is
a
hard
limit,
then
we'd
have
to
make
other
adjustments
to
the
dorms.
F
G
Only
other
thing
that
I'll
add
I
I
do
agree
that,
because
these
blocks
are
so
small
and
so
dense
in
population,
they
do
have
an
outsized
impact
on
how
the
rest
of
the
ward
boundaries
get
drawn
and
just
for
reference
counselor
Traverse
mentioned.
You
know
these
individual
campus
communities
have
between
500
and
a
thousand
people
living
in
them.
When
we're
talking
about
the
deviation,
that's
allowed
between
Wards,
a
one
percent
deviation
is
only
about
60
people,
so
we're
really
talking
about
very,
very
small
numbers
that
we
can
move
around
even
talking
about
moving.
G
J
Thank
you,
president
Paul
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
councilor
Hightower
that
in
my
motion,
I
wasn't
endorsing
any
particular
eight
Ward
map
and
it
would
be
inclusive
of
any
of
the
maps
we've
considered
so
far
in
any
new
ones
that
may
be
developed
by
the
by
the
planning
department.
As
a
result
of
this
motion.
Q
Q
However,
you
know
the
this
is
like
any
Council
decision,
something
that
I'll
need
to
to
sign
off
on
in
the
end
and
I
have
tried
to
approach
it
and
and
review
it
from
operational
point
of
view,
from
a
perspective
of
good
governance
and
and
how
the
work
between
the
administration,
the
council
is
best
executed
and
I,
I
guess
a
couple
observations,
I,
I
and
I
just
want
clarifications.
I
want
to
make
sure
the
Public's
clear
on
I
I've
been
open
to
a
wide
variety
of
outcomes.
Q
Through
this
process
and
including
as
I
know,
many
of
the
colleagues
on
on
this
side
of
table
have
been
returning
to
seven
award.
14
counselor
model
I
didn't
think
we
would
end
up
there
given
having
lived
through
this
process
before
and
understanding
the
reality
that
going
to
that
would
require
a
substantial.
Q
You
know
what
we've,
what
we've
talked
about
tonight,
that
that
the
new
North
End
Wards
would
have
to
be
expanded
to
include
substantial
numbers.
Thousands
of
people
from
the
old
North,
End
and
I
think
we've
heard
very
clearly
tonight
the
opposition
to
that
and
I.
It
seems
that
we're
on
a
cusp
of
moving
forward,
moving
away
from
that
definitively
and
I
just
hope-
that's
understood
by
everyone
as
a
significant
compromise,
we've
heard
from
councilor
Traverse.
So
it
was
his
preferred
option.
Q
Wasn't
really
my
preferred
option
at
any
point,
but
it
was
one
way
to
get
through
this
as
we
go
beyond
you
know,
I
welcome
the
word
coming
to
compromise.
It
appears
maybe
on
the
cusp
of
something
that
has
broad
consensus.
As
we
dig
into
the
details
of
that
I,
you
know
find
interesting.
The
notion
that
we
should
that
we
should
go
beyond
the
10
deviation.
I
want
to
voice
discomfort
with
that.
Q
If
we're
going
to
go
through
this
process
and
go
through
all
the
work
to
get
to
a
newly
balanced
map,
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
idea
that
we
would
settle
on
something
that
immediately
made
us
open
to
some.
Some
legal
Challenge
and
that
would
kind
of
undo
the
hard
work
that
we've
put
in
to
get
here.
I
do
just
want
to
say
from
the
conversations
that
I've
been
in,
especially
in
recent
weeks.
Q
It
seems
to
me
that
I
don't
think
the
public
should
think
that
that
we
have
resolved
exactly
what
the
award
map
should
look
like.
Based
on
on
the
on
the
debate
tonight,
I
think
there's
it's
it'd
be
there's
still
significant
discussion
and
compromise.
That's
probably
going
to
be
necessary
to
finish
this
process.
A
Thank
you,
mayor
Weinberger,
don't
see
anyone
else
in
the
queue
and
given
that
it's
7
30,
maybe
that's
a
a
good
omen
to
take
a
vote
on
the
motion,
so
we
we
will
do
that.
We'll
take
a
vote
on
the
motion
made
by
councilor,
Barlow
and
seconded
by
councilor
Freeman,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say
no.
A
Okay,
so
hey
that's
pretty
good.
Redistricting
is
not
an
easy
thing
and
we
have
at
least
one
unanimous
vote
with
that.
We
will
close
the
work
session
and
move
on
to
and
and
just
so,
everyone
does
understand.
We
are,
of
course
we
still
have
more
work
to
do
and
I'm
not
really
sure
before
we
actually
leave
this.
A
G
I
think
we
can
reach
out
to
you,
president
Paul,
about
the
availability
for
another
work
session.
I,
don't
know
what
your
schedule
already
looks
like
for
the
seventh,
but
I
do
think.
Given
the
number
of
permutations
that
there
are
for
eight
Ward
options,
it
will
be
helpful
to
probably
have
some
extended
period
of
time
to
work
through
that
with
you,
I
think.
In
the
meantime,
Nancy
asked
you
know
the
specific
question
about.
Are
there
upper
limits
on
the
student
question?
We
would
really
appreciate
any
feedback
from
you
on
that
question.
A
A
There
is
a
green
light
when
you
start
speaking,
and
the
second
light
is
yellow.
That's
when
you
have
30
seconds
left
and
then
the
red
light
will
shine
when
your
time
is
up.
We
just
ask
that
you
complete
your
comments
when
the
sound
or
you
see
the
light,
that
the
light
is
red
and
just
complete
the
sentence
that
you
are
that
you
are
finishing
and
that
way
we
can
keep
the
public
forum
moving
along,
and
everyone
has
the
same
period
amount
of
time
to
speak.
A
Only
other
caveat
is
that
we
we
just
ask
that,
if
it's
easier
for
us
to
listen
to
you
and
really
hear
what
you're
saying
if
you
just
use
respectful
language
and
if
you
direct
your
comments
to
me,
is
the
chair
with
that.
We
have
one
two
three
people
who
wish
to
speak
in
the
public
forum.
The
first
is
Todd
Lacroix
to
be
followed
by
Christopher
hessley.
K
A
R
R
I
just
want
to
say
on
the
student
question
you
know
previously
we
had
kind
of
put
everybody
into
Ward
a
and
then
you
know
earlier
this
year,
I
was
working
with
some
folks
and
I
believe
our
our
goal
was
to
distribute
or
integrate
the
the
college
students
across
multiple
Wards
and
it
kind
of
had
a
realization
a
while
ago.
You
know
you
take
that
phrase
and
you
substitute
in
a
different
demographic
group
for
the
college
students.
You
know
if
we
said.
R
I
feel
like
we're
kind
of
doing
the
opposite
of
what
happened
the
last
time,
and
you
know
for
me
personally,
I
just
kind
of
come
to
the
conclusion
that
you
know
people
live
where
they
live
and,
while
I
understand
that
college
students
are
not
a
protected
class
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
irrelevant,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
underlying
motivations
are
still
the
same,
which
is
to
kind
of
limit
the
influence
of
one
or
more
groups
of
people
based
on
a
on
a
characteristic.
So
I.
R
Just
think
that
you
know,
and
essentially
you
know
it's
it's
younger
people
that
we're
talking
about
so
and
I
think
they're
important
part
but
yeah
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
just
think
people
live
where
they
live,
and
you
know
try
to
draw
the
lines
that
make
sense
based
on
roads
and
natural
boundaries
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
that's
all
I
had
to
say.
Thank
you
all.
A
S
Zhang
didn't
run
for
mayor
and
if
his
voters
of
54
percent
of
the
Jang
voters
had
marked
Max
Tracy
as
their
choice,
we
would
have
a
different
mayor
sitting.
There
I
know
that,
but
there
was
kind
of
a
promise
that
we're
going
to
see
how
this
goes
before,
adding
the
mayor's
race
to
this,
and
we're
not
really
doing
that.
Here's
another
thing.
Besides
adding
the
mayor's
race
to
the
language
there
is
they
want
to
change
the
method
they
want
to
on
the
charter
level.
S
They
want
to
reinsert
the
method
back
into
the
language
on
the
charter
level,
and
you
might
want
to
ask
yourself:
why
did
the
house
government
operations
Committee
in
the
legislature
take
it
out,
and
it
is
because
they
are
fundamentally
considering
the
method
and
there's
a
reason
for
that.
There
is
some
even
current
history,
not
just
the
2009
Burlington
election
in
in
Maine
and
in
New
York
City.
S
T
So
you
guys
seem
to
keep
thinking
that
the
world's
going
to
continue
acting
the
way
it
was
in
the
last
30
40
50
years.
You
keep
planning
on
tearing
everything
down.
Well,
you're,
starting
a
war
with
China
and
Russia
I
can
promise
you.
War
with
China
is
coming
just
the
other
day
who
Jing
Tao
was
taken
out
in
a
ceremony
in
front
of
the
cameras.
T
T
T
But
more
importantly,
we
had
control
of
rubber
with
the
British,
but
mostly
us,
and
we
squeezed
their
Superior
military
and
their
Superior
everything
into
losing
the
war
Russia
America.
All
of
us.
We
overwhelm
them
with
lesser
technology,
but
an
efficient
working
together
way
and
you
people
are
reminding
me
of
that
and
right
now
you
want
to
continue
tearing
everything
down,
but
I
can
promise
you
I,
don't
know
where
you're
gonna
get
all
the
stuff
to
rebuild
it.
So
I
think
you
need
to
start
adjusting
to
the
Future
that
you
made.
A
And
it
doesn't
appear
as
though
there
is
anyone
either
in
contoice
or
online,
that
wishes
to
speak
during
public
forum.
So,
given
that
we
will
close
public
forum
and
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
is
the
climate
emergency
report
item
number
four?
Is
there
any
counselor
or
the
administration
who
wishes
to
offer
a
climate
emergency
report.
A
U
A
Any
opposed,
please
say
no
We've,
we've
approved
our
consent
agenda,
which
brings
us
to
item
number
six
before
we
get
to
our
deliberative
agenda.
We'll
move
item
number
six,
which
is
an
expected
executive
session
regarding
CityPlace
and
as
we
always
do
before,
motions
to
go
into
executive
session
I
would
turn
to
either
a
legal
counsel
or
the
administration
to
ask.
If
there
are
any
comments
or
information
that
you
feel
can
be
shared
in
Open
Session,
mayor
Weinberger,.
Q
Thank
you,
president
Paul.
It's
it's
been
just
one
week
since
the
last
public
update
the
week
has
been
spent
focused
on
responding
to
some
of
the
comments
made
by
the
Council
on
Executive
session
last
week,
as
well
as
continuing
to
work
with
CityPlace
Partners.
To
finalize
a
document,
as
we
indicated
last
week
was
possible,
the
the
agreement
is
is
not
ready
for
action
tonight,
but
there's.
A
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
Weinberger.
It's
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
is
one
person
who
is
here
who's
waiting
for
the
local
Control
Commission
and
so
that
they
don't
need
to
wait
for
what
will
probably
be
about
45
minutes,
which
is
the
time
that
we
will
probably
be
in
executive
session.
A
We
will
adjourn
the
city
council
or
we
will
recess
the
city
council
at
7
45
and
call
to
order
the
local
Control
Commission
at
the
same
hour.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
item.
Four
point.
I'm
sorry
is
item
1.01,
which
is
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda
I
moved
to
adopt
the
agenda?
Thank
you,
commissioner,
Shannon
seconded
by
commissioner
Travers.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
that?
Seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
A
K
A
A
E
M
A
Any
opposed,
please
say
no,
that
motion
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
with
no
other
business
on
the
agenda
and
seeing
no
objection,
we'll
adjourn
the
local
Control
Commission
meeting
at
746
and
we'll
wait
on
the
board
of
civil
Authority
until
after
the
executive
session.
So
we'll
go
back
to
the
we
will
go
back
to
the
recessed
city
council
meeting
at
7
46.
A
A
A
H
A
Thank
you
councilor
Carpenter,
and
that
that
motion
would
also
include
that,
in
addition
to
the
city
council,
Mayors
members
of
the
mayor's
staff,
cedot
director,
Brian,
Pine,
David,
G,
white
and
attorney
Tim
Sampson
would
also
be
part
of
that
executive
session.
In
addition
to
Laura
Wheelock,
we
have
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion
seconded
by
councilor
Freeman?
Any
discussion
on
the
motion?
E
A
Any
opposed,
please
say
no,
that
passes
unanimously
and
that
puts
us
into
executive
session.
We
will
be
downstairs
for
executive
session
and,
as
I
said,
it
looks
as
though
that
probably
will
last
somewhere
between
30
and
45
minutes,
and
we
will
be
back
in
Open
Session
as
soon
as
we
have
completed
this
executive
session.
Thanks.
A
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
A
Thank
you
thanks,
Pablo
for
being
here
and
thanks
for
all
of
the
work
that
you've
done
with
the
reparations
task
force.
We've
allotted
about
20
minutes
for
this
update.
So
if
you
could
provide
us
with
a
an
update
in
addition
to
the
comments
that
you
have
submitted,
you
know
for
the
first
half
of
that
and
then
we'll
go
to
questions
from
the
council
and
I
see.
Christine
Hughes
has
joined
us
as
well,
so
I'll
leave
it
to
the
two
of
you
to
take
it
from
here
that.
V
Sounds
great,
thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
us
to
speak.
I'll
just
speak
briefly
and
I
think
Christine
will
take
over
as
well.
So
just
to
give
you
a
brief
update
on
the
work
that
we've
been
doing,
we
were
convened
in
I,
don't
know:
2020
I
I!
All
the
years
are
a
blur
at
this
point,
but
we
were
convened
with
five
members,
I
believe
to
begin
with
myself:
Christine
Hughes,
Rebecca,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
I'm
blanking
on
Rebecca's.
V
V
To
that
end,
we
embarked
on
a
process
by
which
we
engaged
several
Consultants
to
look
at
different
elements
of
this
work,
and
so
you
should
have
seen
some
of
the
Consultants
reports
I
believe,
and
so
we
had
a
consultant
who
looked
at
the
history
of
enslaved
persons
within
Burlington.
That
was
mostly
from
census
data
and
archival
Records.
So
that
was
one
thing
that
we
had.
V
We
had
another
consultant
who
was
looking
at
a
kind
of
historical
legacies
of
of
the
institution
of
slavery
in
different
kinds
of
ways.
That
was
more
of
a
documentary
analysis
that
we
had
done.
And
thirdly,
we
also
had
another
expert
who
was
looking
at
specifically
the
question
of
racialized
covenants,
since
we
know
what
an
important
role
racialized
covenants
have
played
in
process
of
segregation
and
racialized
kind
of
spatial
discrimination.
V
V
V
But
again,
that's.
That
is
one
part
of
this
that
we
haven't
really
done
in
any
extensive
fashion.
One
other
thing
that
the
consultant
who
was
looking
at
racialized
covenants
did
was
kind
of
spur
the
city
to
go
through
and
digitize
its
land
records,
which
is
an
enormous
number
of
documents,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we
simply
didn't
have
the
capacity
to
to
kind
of
work
through
all
of
those
on
our
own.
Just
as
I've
been
working
through
some
of
these
documents,
we
have
775
000
pages
of
documents.
V
V
V
We
certainly
could
use
some
help
in
that
regard,
and
you
know
this
is
our
first
chance
that
we've
had
with
the
pandemic
and
everything
to
really
come
back
and
speak
to
I
mean
we've
never
spoken
to
city
council,
but
just
to
give
you
a
direct
update
on
on
what
we
were
doing.
We've
spoken
with
some
some
folks
at
the
reib
meetings
and
some
other
things,
but
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Christine
and
let
her
let
her
give
her
perspective.
W
Thank
you
and
good
evening,
Mr
Mayor
and
president
Paul
and
the
city
council
members.
Thank
you,
councilor
Jang,
for
showing
up
at
our
back
in
school
blog
party
that
we
had
on
Saturday.
That
was
a
great
success.
Thank
you
Pat
for
the
support
from
the
reib
office,
and
we
did
that
at
the
Richard
Kemp
Center,
where
I
am
the
director
and
the
daughter
of
the
late
great
Richard
Kemp,
who
I
pretty
sure
was
the
first
black
city
council
member,
just
a
little
bit
of
History.
W
So
I
am
here
tonight
as
an
appointed
member
from
the
Vermont
racial
Justice
Alliance.
We
spent
a
good
part
of
the
day
today.
Talking
about
this
and
just
you
know,
looking
at
it
from
a
local
perspective
and
also
just
kind
of
reviewing
some
of
the
information.
That's
out
there
about
work,
that's
gone
on
all
over
the
place.
W
W
W
W
W
Let's
see
what
else
I
would
imagine
you're
all
aware
of
the
work
of
John,
Conyers
I.
Think
one
of
the
tricky
things
that
we
deal
with
here
is
that
Burlington
has
somewhat
of
a
unique
history.
But
if
you
do
the
research,
you
might
find
that
it's
not
there's
just
some
really
important
stuff
to
understand
about
why
Vermont
and
Berlin
Arlington
is
one
of
the
whitest
states
in
the
country
it
isn't
by
accident
and
and
if
you
pay
close
enough
attention
act,
250
actually
has
something
to
do
with
that.
W
W
You
know
with
the
racial
covenants
and
everything
is
really
important
and
I
think
it's
part
of
it,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
for
us
to
consider
a
broader
perspective
about
the
Legacy
is
slavery,
which
is
basically
systemic
racism
and
the
impact
that
it's
having
and
has
had
for
generations
and
you're,
basically
talking
about
something
that
occurred
for
you
know,
402
years
or
something
and
so
to.
We
can't
think
that
the
resolution
or
responding
to
that
harm
could
possibly
be
some
kind
of
one-off
thing.
W
W
I
personally
am
not
really
interested
in
an
apology,
but
that's
just
me
personally,
I
honestly
think
that
would
be
insulting
and
hold
on
I'm
almost
done
so
yeah
I
I
would
just
ask
that
you
would
continue
to
support
this
work.
We
do
need
resources,
we're
very
fortunate
that
Pablo
has,
you
know,
figured
out
a
way
to
use
the
students
and
some
of
their
labor,
which
I
would
imagine
they're
I,
don't
know
if
they're
getting
paid
or
if
they're
going
to
get
credit.
W
But
it's
a
a
great
approach
to
using
the
resources
of
the
university
to
advance
that
part
of
the
work
we're
really
interested
in
some
kind
of
community
engagement.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
actually
in
the
resolution
or
not,
but
we're
really
interested
in
doing
something
like
that
and
could
actually
offer
the
Richard
Kemp
Center
to
to
to
maybe
work
with
the
whoever
the
new
director
will
be
in
the
reib
office.
W
I
think
that
is
just
about
everything
except
a
couple
more
things.
If
I
just
have
a
few
more
minutes,
I,
just
really
and
and
I
know.
Some
of
you
might
have
heard
this.
But
it's
really
important
when
we're
thinking
about
this
topic.
To
think
about
things
like
the
fact
that
the
median
income
of
the
black
family
in
Burlington
is
1
13,
that
of
a
white
family.
W
Black
children
in
Burlington
and
in
the
state
of
Vermont,
are
60
percent.
More
likely
to
be
removed
from
their
homes
by
DCF.
That's
a
frightening
statistic,
and
here
here's
kind
of
a
here's,
here's
a
mind
Bender
for
you.
If,
if
Vermont
was
the
first
state
to
abolish
slavery,
how
is
it
there's
a
Constitutional
Amendment,
that's
actually
going
to
abolish
slavery,
so
it
has
to
do
with
exception.
Clauses.
W
W
I
would
just
like
to
to
encourage
folks
to
think
about.
You
know.
Even
the
word
reparations
has
means
you
know
responding
to
or
repairing
the
harm
that
has
been
caused
and
I
and
I
just
really
want
to
encourage
us
to
not
just
get
away
from
the
Vermont
and
Burlington
exceptionalism
myth
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
because
it's
really
important
to
understand
a
lot
of
the
history
of
this
kind
of
stuff
has
been
deliberately
buried
or
destroyed
or
whatever.
W
A
Thank
you
Christine
and
thanks
Pablo.
That
was
an
excellent
update
and
good
for
the
council
to
hear
what
you've
been
what
you've
been
doing
with
that
we'll
go
to
the
we'll
go
to
questions
and
comments
from
the
council.
Are
there
counselors
or
or
the
administration
who
have
councilor
Hightower?
Thank
you.
B
Several
questions
and
comments
and
I'll
say
them
all,
and
then,
whichever
one
of
you
feels
most
qualified
to
answer
or
just
wants
to
answer,
please
go
ahead,
which
the
first
question
is
just
around:
Time
Low
timeline
of
task
force
cash
rundown.
So
when
you
kind
of
when,
if
you're
coming
back
to
us
for
more
money
by
when
you
would
like
to
see
that
happen,
if
it's
happening,
then
just
a
comment
on
the
focus
so
I
think
in
the
report.
B
V
V
You
know
there
are
some
things
that
we
might
start
off
with
certain
kind
of
educated
guesses,
but
we're
not
entirely
sure
so.
Actually,
one
of
the
first
steps
that
I
took
with
my
students
was
actually
to
look
through
and
work
with
archivists
on
also
important
keywords
that
might
be
used
in
place
of
you
know
in
in
many
of
the
racial
covenants.
You
have
particular
populations
that
are
identified
explicitly,
but
in
other
cases
it's
other
kinds
of
language.
V
Or
you
know
this
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
it
it's
a
process
of
kind
of
working
through
in
the
the
records
span,
a
pretty
wide
a
wide
range
and
I've
actually
been
talking
to
Pitt
a
little
bit
about
like
how
we
ended
up
with
the
ones
that
we
have
because
I
don't
actually
know
part
of
that,
and
because
director
green
didn't
leave
I
think
a
lot
of
notes
about
exactly
what
happened
there.
There's
a
part
of
this.
V
That
is
just
unpacking
that
the
other
thing
and
I
know
you
had
a
whole
bunch
of
points,
but
the
in
terms
of
the
money
issue.
I
think
that
that's
a
a
bigger
conversation,
I
think.
As
far
as
we
understand,
I
think
we've
used
about
half
of
the
money
that
city
council
originally
allocated
and
so
I
think
and
we've
used
that
money
entirely
on
the
Consultants
to
better
and
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
two
of
the
Consultants
were
very
effective
one,
perhaps
a
little
less.
V
V
So
that's
I,
think
a
bigger
question
and
then
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
I
completely
agree
with
the
idea
that,
if
we're
going
to
invest
all
this
time,
effort
and
resources
into
doing
this
kind
of
work,
it
has
to
not
simply
exist.
You
know
you
know,
filed
on
a
shelf
and
I,
definitely
like
the
idea
of
partnering
with
Educators
Community
groups,
others
as
well
I'm,
actually
just
starting
this
week.
V
V
and
so
kind
of
looking
at
those
disparities,
beginning
on
Wednesday
I'm,
starting
a
series
for
the
bsds
professional
development,
which
is
I,
think
a
series
of
workshops
called
supporting
black
and
brown
families
in
in
the
district,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
you
know.
I
want
to
be
able
to
bring
parts
of
this
work
that
we're
doing
here
into
that
process
as
well.
B
City
council
is
always
a
little
bit
of
a
weird
body
where
we
give
all
these
other
bodies
authority
to
act
and
some
resources
to
do
so,
and
then
we're
like
you
tell
us
what
you
want
to
do,
which
I
think
is
probably
I
mean
we
obviously
like
I,
have
opinions
on
what
to
focus
on,
but
at
the
same
time
I
as
much
I
think.
To
some
extent,
we
started
with
an
initial
amount:
I,
don't
even
remember
what
that
was
based
on
anymore,
but
I
think
I'd
be
more
Curious
to
hear
like.
B
W
Would
thank
you.
I
I
would
also
just
add
that
one
of
the
ways
that
I
think
about
Community
engagement
isn't
necessarily
that
we
do
a
whole
bunch
of
work,
and
we
have
all
this
information
and
we
share
it
with
the
community.
I
would
like
to
see
us
think
about
a
way
that
we
can
actually
involve
the
community
in
helping
us
figure
out
which
way
to
go
if
it's
possible.
I
Thank
you,
president
Paul,
and
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation,
Pablo,
Christine
and
also
special
big
up
to
Pat,
who
inherited
you
know,
being
part
of
the
committee,
and
she
also
been
doing
an
amazing
job.
Thank
you
so
much
and
also
for
presenting
at
the
reib
I
think
it
is
it
was.
It
was
really
good.
I
What
I'm
hearing
here
is.
Basically
the
structure
you
know
of
the
committee
and
how
do
you
come
back
and
also
move
forward,
and
what
I'm
hearing
here
is
clear
that
maybe,
based
on
this
resolution,
the
city
council
president,
will
need
to
appoint
a
member,
because
the
appointee
from
the
last
city
council
president
left
and
also
the
reib
director
or
his
or
her
designee
will
also
need
to
appoint
another
person
in
order
for
you
guys
to
have
a
fully.
I
You
know,
staffed
committee
I
think
it's
like
next
next
concrete
next
steps
and
I
think
at
the
idib
committee
we
talked
about.
If
you
have
members
of
the
community
that
you
would
like
to
appoint
to
please
suggestions
names
to
the
council
president
and
then
we
she
can
make
that
decision.
And
again,
you
are
always
welcome
and
I
believe
that
our
next
reib
meeting
you
are
also
scheduled
to
come
back,
maybe
to
work
around
those
details
as
as
a
concrete
next
steps
and
I
would
love
for
Mr
Pablo.
I
I
did
not
really
know
what
reparation
should
look
like
and
from
my
perspective,
that's
just
me.
No
one
can
repair
that
it's
just
part
of
history
and
it's
sad,
it's
bringing
it
back,
is
even
a
little
bit
challenging,
but
I
would
love
us
to
support
you
and
in
any
direction
that
you
would
like
in
order
to
achieve
something
great
for
the
city,
because
it
was
mandated
by
the
city
council.
Thank
you
again
so
much
and
we'll
see
you
next
month
at
the
reib
to
talk
about
the
appointments
Etc.
Thank
you
for
your
work.
A
Sponsor
Chang,
and
actually
that
will
certainly
be
you-
bring
up
an
important
issue,
and
that
is
that
at
the
reib
meeting
we
realize
that
the
there
is
a
need
to
appoint
another
member
of
the
reparations
task.
Force
and
I
would
welcome
anyone's
input
and
suggestions
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
that
as
quickly
as
possible.
Are
there
any
other
counselors
who
have
questions
or
comments?
L
L
It
would
be
very
helpful
if
you
need
more
than
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
which
is
what
I'm
hearing
that
you
you.
Let
us
know
what
that
is,
and
I
I
think
it
is
totally
appropriate
to
include
in
that
thinking.
The
money
is
for
collaboration
on
community
engagement
and
education.
So
I
think
that
is
the
one
area
that
I
have
not
heard
enough
on
tonight
and
and
welcome
that
I.
Don't
necessarily
expect
an
answer
tonight,
not
looking
for
that
I.
Just
if
you
have
it
that'd
be
great.
L
M
Yes,
thank
you,
president
Paul
I.
Thank
you
all
for
this
report
and
the
work
you've
done
so
far
and
the
work
you'll
continue
to
do.
I
just
noticed
that
the
resolution
has
a
resolve.
Clause.
That
says
that
the
task
force
is
to
terminate
90
days
after
giving
this
report,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
this
work
continues
beyond
that.
M
W
Not
sure
if
and
and
pit
maybe
you
can
help
me
understand
this,
but
the
report
that
I
think
that
Pitt
did
was
just
kind
of
you
know
what
we
had
done
so
far,
especially
because
we
had
had
sort
of
fits
and
starts
and
just
had
some
challenges.
I
think
what
the
resolution
is
talking
about
is
a
final
report.
W
I
Yep,
thank
you
and
I
think
to
the
question
of
counselor
McGee.
This
is
just
maybe
an
update,
and
maybe
they
did
not
talk
about
it,
because
the
group
was
stopped
working
in
one
point
when
Taisha
left
and
we
were
also
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic
and
I
think
they
have
not
been
meeting.
This
is
just
an
update
that
the
city
council
is
receiving
today
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
there
is
the
third
member
is
a
person
that
was
appointed
by
the
human
right
commission.
I
A
A
Is
there
any
discussion
on
that
motion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion?
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say
no!
That
motion
passes
and
with
many
thanks
to
the
members
of
the
task
force
and
the
reib
department
and
committee
for
their
work
and
service
to
the
city,
we'll
look
forward
to
for
to
further
updates
and
progress
on
your
work.
We'll
move
on
to
item
7.02,
which
is
a
mental
health,
Summit
synopsis
and
Report
due
to
an
unexpected
need.
A
I
A
A
N
I
will
say
that
we've
heard
quite
a
bit
of
testimony
from
different
folks,
Robert
Bristow
Johnson
among
them,
who
I
see
here
about
the
fact
that
in
ranked
Choice
voting
elections,
there
are
different
ways
in
which
you
can
tabulate
those
results.
That
said,
the
initial
version
of
the
charter
change
that
was
passed
by
voters
here
in
Burlington
and
an
ordinance
previously
passed
by
this
Council
in
recent
months
started
us
in
a
direction
of
a
particular
process
by
which
we
would
tabulate
the
results
in
ranked
Choice
voting
elections.
N
However,
this
Council
was
not
done
when
we
last
passed
our
ordinance
change,
because
in
in
working
with
Sarah,
Montgomery
and
and
folks
in
the
city
clerk's
office,
it
became
clear
that
the
vendor,
who
we
are
using
for
tabulating
results,
has
various
options
within
their
software.
That
required
that
that
we
weigh
in
as
a
council
to
provide
some
more
framework
around
how
this
would
work
and
I
know.
N
Councilor
Shannon,
for
example,
had
brought
this
up
previously
when
we,
when
we
passed
our
resolution,
that
there
were
some
additional
details
that
we
needed
to
flesh
out
as
to
how
ranked
Choice
voting
tabulation
would
occur
so
with
great
assistance
from
a
number
of
different
folks.
I
should
particularly
thank
representatives
from
the
ranked
Choice
voting
resources
Center,
as
well
as
individuals
from
vperk
among
others.
H
Kind
of
Traverse
can
you
can
you
clarify?
So
we
had
the
charter
change.
It
came
back
to
us
with
no
specific
tabulation
method,
but
the
council
went
ahead
subsequently
and
adopted
a
resolution
asking
the
ordinance
committee
to
come
up
with
something
I
guess
basically
so
I'm
just
trying
to
clarify
in
my
head,
you
needed
more
guidance
or
the
city
needs
more
guidance
and
how
to
carry
out
the
tabulation
I'm
just
trying
to
clarify
in
my
own
head.
If
I'm
voting
for
this,
what
am
I
voting
for
am
I.
H
We
we
have
to
do
IRB,
that's
been
voted
on
and
we've
agreed
to
that,
and
we
obviously
need
to
have
a
complete
method
that
tabulates
everything
as
we
would
want
it
to
be.
Tabulated
does
adopting
this
resolution
further
attached
to
this,
or
is
this
just
guidance
that
we're
going
to
need
if
we're
going
to
adopt
something
right
now
or
the
long-winded
way
of
saying
that
is
if
we
choose
to
change
the
tabulation
method,
which
would
take
another
Act
of
the
council,
can
that
be
done?
H
N
That
said,
I
would
say
that
that
the
tabulation
method
that's
before
the
council
tonight
is
is
in
alignment
with
what
I
understand.
The
council's
intent
was
previously
in
putting
this
Charter
change
question
before
voters,
and
it's
in
alignment
with
are
still
doing
it
in
rounds,
ranking
one
two.
Three.
N
So,
on
down
the
line
and
eliminating
the
the
candidate
with
the
lowest
vote,
total
I
actually
think
it
was
best
practice
for
the
legislature
to
remove
the
language
from
Charter,
because
putting
an
ordinance
does
provide
us
additional
flexibility
and
I
think
this
will
be
a
learning
process,
as
we
stand
up
ranked
Choice
voting
again
here
and
may
need
some
additional
tweaks
and
changes
down
the
line.
I
feel
pretty
confident
with.
What's
before
you
all
tonight.
N
Again
it
encompasses
that
process
of
eliminating
the
candidates
with
the
lowest
votes
in
rounds
until
only
two
candidates
remain
and
then
there's
various
other
options
in
here.
That
required
additional
information
like,
for
example,
what
if
the
two
candidates
with
the
lowest
votes
are
tied?
How
is
that
tie
broken?
What
if
there
is
a
a
skipped
ranking
where
a
ballot
has
listed
a
first
choice
and
a
third
choice
but
left
the
second
choice
blank?
N
Those
are
the
types
of
options
that
were
posed:
To
Us
by
the
vendor,
who's
going
to
be
tabulating
the
results
and
the
ordinance
changed
before
the
council
tonight
answers
those
questions.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
fully
answers
your
question,
but
that's
some
additional
information
here
on
on
the
ordinance
change.
H
N
Yes,
we
do
need
to
do
something
today,
because
we
have
a
special
election
with
three
announced
candidates
coming
up
on
December
6.
That
will
be
done
by
ranked
Choice
voting,
so
we
need
to
put
some
framework
around
this
now.
Should
we
want
to
make
changes
down
the
line
I
do
believe
the
charter
language
provides
us
some
flexibility.
If
we
wanted
to
make
that
change.
J
I
had
a
just
a
follow-up
to
counselor
Carpenter's
question.
I
know
that
the
state
is
also
looking
at
ranked
Choice
voting
and
if
they
were
to
use
a
different
tabulation
method
than
the
one
we're
using
would
we
have
to
change
ours
and
I
see
the
City
attorney
is
on
as
well.
Now
we
wanna
direct
the
question
there.
J
X
X
K
K
E
N
So
the
vendor
the
city
will
be
using
to
tabulate.
Results,
provides
two
different
options.
Basically,
in
the
way
that
the
initial
tabulation
views
write
in
votes,
one
is
to
exclude
all
right-end
votes
from
the
initial
tabulation
and
to
really
not
come
back
to
them
until
after
the
tabulation
process
is
done.
The
other
is
to
take
all
right
in
votes
that
have
not
been
verified.
N
N
And
if
your
eyebrows
are
raised,
there
were
many
in
the
ordinance
committee,
but
that's
that's
that's
the
that's.
The
concept
is
that
if
the,
if
the
combined
group
of
write-in
votes
is
is,
is
the
lowest
vote
getter
in
the
initial
round
than
all
the
write-in
votes
would
be
eliminated
in
any
other
rankings
would
be
moved
forward
at
that
point
in
time.
K
Can
I
follow
yes?
So
if
there's,
if
on
the
ballot,
we
have
Lily,
May
and
Lily
may
gets
a
write-in
vote.
Does
that
write
in
vote
get
so
you're
saying
that
verified
means
that
it's
that
write-in
candidate
is
affiliated
with
a
candidate?
That's
who
is
printed
on
the
ballot
so
does
Lily
May's
right
in
vote,
get
attributable
to
Lily
may
I.
Imagine
this
might
be
a
problem
in
regular
voting
as
well.
So.
B
I'll
also
defer
to
Council
Traverse,
but
my
understanding
is
verified
as
whether
or
not
we
have
assigned
it
to
a
specific
name,
as
opposed
to
just
it
being
a
write-in,
and
so
there's
verify
it
isn't
about
whether
or
not
it's
also
on
the
ballot.
It's
about
whether
or
not
we
know
what
the
name
is.
So
this
is
an
administrative
thing
that
says,
if
all
of
the
names
on
the
ballot,
all
of
the
writing
candidates
aren't
enough
to
go
into
the
next
round.
Then
we
don't
look
at
the
names.
B
We
don't
count
the
write-ins
just
like
we
don't
currently
count
the
write-ins
in
our
current
system.
We
just
say
how
many
write-ins
were
there
and
if
they're
not
close
to
winning,
we
don't
go
back
and
look
at
the
ballots
and
say
who
who
was
written
in
so
it's
about
not
when
you
get
rid
of
the
write-ins,
and
in
this
case
we
lump
them
together
and
then
they,
if
they
get
eliminated,
we
we
never
verify
them.
K
X
K
K
K
P
P
K
A
X
Well,
I
just
want
to
clarify
why.
Thank
you,
president
pie
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
why
it
was
a
motion
to
suspend,
because
we
interpret
this
as
the
first
read
because
it
was
sent
to
the
request
was
sent
to
the
ordinance
committee.
So
the
ordinance
was
drafted
at
Oregon's
committee,
and
so
it's
coming
back
basically
for
the
first
read
now
so
to
be
adopted.
It
hasn't
had
two
full
readings
and
therefore
it
would
have
the
suspender
rules.
K
K
From
the
interpretation
I
just
heard
from
the
parliamentarian,
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
vote
first
on
suspending
the
rules,
but
because
we
in
fact
do
need
to
debate
this
so
I
believe.
What
he's
saying
is
that
it's
inappropriate
for
us
to
do
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last.
However,
many
20
minutes.
P
N
A
A
A
P
A
K
You
may
okay
I
would
like
to
make
the
motion
that
we
amend
line
38
to
eliminate
the
words
that
have
not
been
verified,
so
it
will
then
read.
Write
in
votes
shall
not
be
excluded
for
the
initial
tabulation
and,
additionally,
that
we
change
the
I
want.
We
had
the
word
continuing
in
line
29
and
that
word
continuing
should
be
active
and
in
line
30.
A
E
A
A
H
H
If
you
used
a
sticker
for
write-in
what,
if
it's
just
a
pen
scratch
and
you
couldn't
identify
it
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
by
eliminating
verified,
we're
not
eliminating
some
standard
practice
about
how
you
determine
if
a
write-in
is
a
real
vote,
so
to
speak
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
even
have
those
some
states
have
very
specific
things
about
when
a
writing
counts
or
doesn't
count
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
do
or
we
don't
but
I'm.
Just
raising
that
as
a
question.
A
H
H
N
I
I
appreciate
that
question
and
I
I
think
the
best
way
that
I
can
answer.
It
is
again
the
the
tabulation
software
that
we
will
be
using
in
ranked
Choice
voting.
Elections
provides
you
and
my
understanding
and
and
I
would
turn
to
my
colleagues
in
the
ordinance
committee
to
correct
this,
which
are
two
options
either.
N
My
understanding
is
that
those,
even
without
the
language
here,
those
those
unverified
votes-
we
don't
know
the
the
sticker
or
the
Mark
or
what
or
what
have
you
is-
is
attributed
to
that
those
would
be
lumped
together
and
if,
if
they
do
not
rise
to
a
threshold
where
they
would
avoid
elimination
in
an
early
round,
then
those
ballots
would
be
carried
forward.
So,
from
my
perspective,
I,
don't
think
the
elimination
of
the
word
verified
changes.
Much
but
I
don't
know
if
my
colleagues
have
any
other
thoughts
on
that.
B
We
didn't
look
at
where
this
fits
into
the
rest
of
the
ordinance,
but
I
assume
that
somewhere
else
in
the
ordinance,
we
have
something
on
how
to
verify
right
in
votes
and
which
ones
to
count.
And
if
you
can't
read
it,
what
you
do
with
that
and
so
I
assume
that
that
is
not
here,
because
it's
somewhere
else
in
the
ordinance.
E
A
E
A
A
Oh
you're
right
I
apologize
okay,
so
we
have
an
amen.
We
have
thank
you.
We
have
an
amended
ordinance,
I
apologize.
So
now
we
have
to
vote
on
the
on
the
ordinance.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any?
Are
there
any
comments
on
the
on
the
ordinance
now
that
we
are
at
the
ordinance
seeing
none
will
take
a
vote
on
that
all
those
in
favor
of
the
ordinances
amended.
Please
say:
aye.
B
H
I
think
this
is
a
great
thing
and
I'm
such
a
fan
of
home
share
Vermont
and
have
been
involved
with
it
since
its
Beginnings.
But
one
of
the
reasons
they're
coming
to
us
is
the
biggest
demand
for
rooms
is
in
the
City
of
Burlington
and
it's
one
of
their
lower
lease
offerings
and
I.
Think
their
sense
is
that
many
homeowner,
older
homeowners
in
particular,
don't
understand
the
program
and
there's
such
a
demand,
so
they're
really
offering
this
to
try
to.
H
M
N
Y
Y
So
we're
really
trying
to
just
catch
people's
attention
with
this,
to
encourage
more
people
to
think
about
sharing
their
home
and
just
giving
them
a
small
incentive
and
Home
Sharing
programs
around
the
country
are
seeing
the
same
issue
a
lot
more
people
needing
housing
and
and
not
a
lot
of
homes
available.
So
incentives
are
something
that
other
programs
across
the
country
are
are
looking
at
and
trying
to
experiment
with
and-
and
we
we're
hopeful
that
this
could
be
successful.
K
K
B
I'm
happy
to
take
a
stab
at
this,
although
maybe
the
administration
would
be
better
at
answering
it,
but
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
committee,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
what
it's
actually
called
meets
once
a
year
and
on
it
is
a
representative
from
the
mayor's
office,
the
chair
of
cdnr,
the
chair
of
ceto,
maybe,
and
then
am
I
missing
one
other
person
and
they
allocate
the
funds
for
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
after
opening
application.
After
opening
a
request
for
applications.
N
I
Sorry
I
I
think
this
is
this
is
amazing
and
what
is
great,
from
my
perspective,
is
the
Aging
Council
itself,
like
the
work
that
they
do
sometime
I,
listen
to
their
meetings.
I
think
this
is
amazing,
but
one
thing
that
is
that
I
feel
like
is
missing
on
the
resolution,
is:
how
do
we
know
that
it's
effective,
where
home
share
Vermont
will
provide
a
report
about
the
effectiveness
of
the
program?
Whether
or
not
it
need
to
continue
I?
Think
that's
the
only
thing.
That's
not
clear.
B
Yeah,
so
the
resolution
starts
to
speak
to
that,
but
I
think
maybe
it
doesn't
get
at
your
full
answer.
So
this
is
a
pilot
program.
That's
supposed
to
go
for
one
year.
So
after
one
year
home
share
Vermont
and
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
are
supposed
to
evaluate
whether
this
is
something
we
want
to
continue
past
a
pilot
stage
into
further
years
or
not
and
I
trust
that
they
would
bring
that
to
cdnr
or
the
city
council
for
follow-up,
especially
if
they
are
interested
in
continuing.
Q
We
also
now
have
revenues
flowing
from
the
changes
we've
made
to
the
inclusionary
zoning
ordinance,
where
there
is
now
an
in-lu
fee
that
is
occasionally
used
as
well
as
the
fact
that
the
short-term
rental
resolution
is
resulting
in
new
revenues
flowing
as
well.
So
don't
know
exactly
where
we,
where
that
stands
and
I'll
be.
You
know
we
should,
as
we
move
towards
budget
season,
we'll
come
back
with
a
comprehensive
report
on
that.
But
I
think
the
fund
is
is
better
positioned
to
make
Innovation
Innovative
investments
in
new
housing
strategies.
N
N
E
N
A
K
The
date
has
not
yet
been
set
to
discuss
some
of
these
solutions
that
were
put
on
the
table.
I
encourage
counselors
as
well
to
weigh
in
with
committee
members.
If
there
are,
if
there
are
things
you'd
like
to
see
implemented
in
in
the
Parks,
some
of
those
were
cameras
in
problem
sensitive
areas.
They
may
be
lime
live
streamed
or
not.
One
of
the
specifically
there
was
a
desire
to
see
cameras
at
the
Oak
ledge
tree
house,
but
that's
a
particularly
prohibitive
place
to
put
a
camera
because
there's
no
access
to
Wi-Fi
there.
K
So
I
don't
know
that
that's
necessarily
going
to
happen,
but
we're
looking
into
it.
Remove
bushes
that
hide
activity
at
Baird,
Park
I,
believe
Baird
Park
was
built
actually
as
a
private
park
and
part
of
that
neighborhood,
but
is
now
a
public
park,
and
so
some
consideration
of
a
little
bit
of
Park
redesign
that
may
help.
J
Thank
you,
president.
Paul
I
just
want
to
announce
that
the
transportation,
energy
and
utility
committee
is
meeting
tomorrow
at
5
pm
at
6,
45
Pine,
where
we'll
be
getting
an
update
on
North
Winooski,
Avenue
hearing
about
the
Shelburne
Street
roundabout
evaluation
plan
and
getting
an
update
on
recycling
toters.
L
So
the
charter
change
committee
will
be
meeting
on
November
3rd
know
that
we
need
to
adjust
our
prior
meeting
from
the
first
and
we
have
passed
out
the
the
flexibility
in
the
the
voting
locations,
so
that
should
be
coming
to
this
Council
at
its
next
meeting.
To
begin
this
more
next
step
in
the
charter
change
process,
the
next
meeting
will
be
doing
hopefully
the
same
on
the
all-legal
resident
voting
in
local
elections.
L
L
B
Cdnr
is
also
meeting
tomorrow
at
5
just
remotely,
but
I
apologize,
I'm,
forgetting
that
we
booked
and
in
past
meetings,
just
for
an
update
for
that
is,
we've
had
an
update,
especially
from
Sarah
Russell,
on
the
current
status
of
houselessness
in
our
community
I
hope
to
bring
that
to
the
rest
of
the
council
but
I'm
hoping
to
also
work
with
President
Paul,
and
maybe
inviting
some
of
our
folks
who
are
running
for
legislature
to
that
conversation,
to
turn
it
into
a
wider
conversation
than
just
our
city
along
those
lines.
We
are
also.
M
A
I
Could
have
waited
until
November,
but
our
meeting
is
set
is
already
set
for
November,
15
and
now
agenda
is
generated.
We
have
the
task
force,
reparation
task
force
exploration
of
a
commission
for
the
city,
reib
commission,
and
we
also
are
delighted
to
have
councilor
Paul
with
us
now.
Thank
you.
Council.
A
K
B
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
address
the
fact
which
we
have
not.
We
didn't
have
counselor
comments
last
time
that
alley
house
is
no
longer
with
us.
I
am
incredibly
proud
of
Ali
for
her
time
with
us
on
the
council
and
I'm
very
sorry
to
lose
her
as
a
member
I
was
very
disappointed
to
see
that
some
in
our
city
chose
to
portray
this
as
an
attack,
rather
than
show
the
need
of
empathy
for
her
situation.
B
I
believe
that
everyone
who
commented
to
the
media
and
news
I
did
that
at
least
some
stances
means
she
could
not
stay
in
her
legal
home.
It
wasn't
that
she
chose
to
vacate
or
even
made
the
difficult
decision
to
vacate,
but
that
she
had
no
choice
but
to
find
alternative
temporary
housing,
despite
the
many
other
difficulties
going
on.
At
the
same
time,
it
was
not
due
to
her
age
or
that
she
was
a
young
person
says
nothing
about,
except
maybe
in
that
being
a
young
person.
Burlington
says
something
about
your
access
to
housing.
B
I
would
say
that
the
fact
that
Ali
is
no
longer
sitting
at
this
table
with
us
is
as
much
or
more
on
every
single
member
of
this
Council,
the
mayor
and
others
in
the
city,
who
have
not
been
able
to
realize
our
desire
to
make
safe
housing
an
affordable
reality
for
too
many
people
in
our
city.
I
really
want
to
thank
Ally
for
her
time
on
the
council
and
just
say
again
how
proud
I
was
to
serve
with
her
on
the
time
that
she
was
here.
A
L
Just
just
briefly
in
that
several
meetings
ago,
I
asked
for
a
report
on
short-term
rentals,
and
so
I
am
asking
the
mayor.
If
we
can
get
the
administration
to
get
us
one.
You
mentioned
the
the
increase
in
funding
to
the
affordable
to
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
I
would
like
to
see
the
impact
the
at
least
the
the
positive
impact
of
that
ordinance.
I
keep
hearing
about
the
negative
impacts
from
people
and
I
I.
Don't
want
to
give
that
up.
So
a
report,
a
a
status
report
on
the
effectiveness
of
the
ordinance
and.
P
L
L
I
would
love
that
to
be
on
a
future.
It
doesn't
even
at
at
this
point
a
written
report
for
me
so
that
we
can
digest
it
doesn't
have
to
have
people
there
so
I'm
not
looking
to
make
it
onerous,
but
I
I
think
it's
incumbent
on
us
to
get
that
and
as
somebody
who
supported
that
reluctantly,
I
really
feel
that
I
need
that.
A
I
People
have
some
type
of
mental
health
issue
and
I'm
glad
that
the
city
is
taking
a
look
into
it
and
some
of
those
comments
included.
We
need
to
also
think
about
from
the
perspective
of
the
county,
not
only
the
city,
to
try
to
fund
all
of
this,
but
I
appreciate
all
of
those
and
really
to
look
into
this
issue.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
H
A
Q
Q
The
Elmwood,
you
know
the
umwood
emergency
shelter
was
first
proposed
in
December
of
last
year
and
though
I
think
all
of
us
were
at
times
frustrated
by
the
permitting
process
and
how
advancing
anything
with
respect
to
land
use
can
be
a
time
consuming
it
really
from
conception
to
this
opening
being
less
than
a
year
is
very,
very
fast
compared
to
how
quickly
most
actual
built
projects
take
and
I
want
to
congratulate
ceto
on
that
work,
and
we
would
like
it.
We
would
like
the
chance.
Q
The
council
and
administration
and
the
budget
was
to
approve
a
new
non-profit
pandemic
response
grant
program.
The
business
and
Workforce
Development
Department
is
heading
up
that
effort
and
is
ready
to
release
and
we'll
be
announcing
tomorrow,
the
opening
of
applications
for
that
million
dollar
program,
where
the
city
will
be
making
50
to
150,
000
Awards
and
that
application
process
will
be
open
until
November,
15th
and
we'll
be
sending
out
again
information
on
this
tomorrow
and
look
appreciate
the
council's
help
and
getting
this
out
to
all
potentially
interested
organizations.
Q
And,
finally,
a
really
fun
annual
event
is
happening
again.
This
weekend,
it's
the
13th
annual
Parks
recreational
Waterfront
Halloween
bike
ride.
The
event
starts
at
1
30
in
City
Hall
Park,
my
unders
one
of
the
great
things
about
this
bike.
Ride
I
mean
the
greatest
thing
about
the
bike.
Ride
is
incredible
creativity
and
effort
that
goes
into
the
the
costumes
that
people
come
up
with
every
year.
Q
Also
John,
Adams
kolitz,
who
always
helps
organize.
This
event,
makes
sure
that
the
latest
all
Transportation
infrastructure
is
highlighted
featured
in
this
ride
around
the
city
and
my
understanding
is
Riders
will
get
to
be
some
of
the
early
users
of
the
the
roundabout
during
the
the
this.
During
this
ride,
1
30
to
4
on
Sunday
and
then
the
ride
ends
at
Roosevelt
Park
with
Refreshments,
so
I
hope
to
to
see
everyone
there
on
Sunday
thanks
president
Paul.