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From YouTube: Burlington Police Commission - 2/28/2023
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Call To Order 00:00:00
Minutes 00:00:46
Public Forum 00:02:36
Chief's Report 00:23:10
Co-Chair Nomination/Election 00:26:48
"Zoe Portlas, City Data Analyst" 00:29:30
Format for Reporting/Reviewing Complaints 00:32:14
Council President Paul: Next Steps on Civilian Oversight 00:36:36
DD43 Reporting of Corruption/Misconduct 00:53:06
"Website, NDA Agreements, DD13 and DD03" 01:01:30
Mental Health Emergency Response 01:08:12
Use of Force Reports 01:53:14
Commendations 2:03:07
Commissioner Comments 02:05:26
Total Run Time: 02:06:55
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A
A
A
This
was
for
the
special
meeting
in
January
31st
motion.
Commissioner
Comerford
moves
to
approve
the
minutes.
Is
there
a
second
commissioner
Garrison
seconds
it
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
aye
abstentions,
commissioner:
oski
abstains
she's,
not
here.
The
second
minutes
to
approve
are
from
our
regular
December
20th
meeting.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes?
A
Commissioner
Keefe
motion
made
the
motion
to
approve
and
commissioner
Comerford
seconded,
that
is
there
any
correction
or
any
discussion
of
the
minutes?
Okay,
great
all
in
favor
of
accepting
the
minutes
and
one
abstention
from
commissioner
oski
correct
great
great
that
closes
those
items.
I
would
like
to
just
take
a
moment
actually,
which
I
had
meant
to
do
when
I
started
to
introduce
our
newest
commissioner
Jessica
oski.
A
A
B
To
maintain
a
some
level
of
how
do
you
say
clear
balance
as
to
why
I'm
here,
I
have
been
in
contact
with
commissioner
Milo
about
my
presence
today
regarding
the
safety
that
GMT
employees
face
at
the
transit
center.
But
more
specifically,
my
experience
of
an
incident
that
happened
January
the
5th
around
a
little
bit
after
five
just
before
6
pm.
B
In
that
regard,
I
did
contact
the
PDP
Burlington
Police
Department,
to
convey
what
I
was
observing
at
the
time
to
let
them
know
hey,
there
might
be
a
minor
here
that
looks
at
distressed
unresponsive
to
my
questions.
If
she's,
okay,
if
you
know
I,
asked
the
gentleman
that
was
there
hey,
is
this
your
child
and
the
one
of
the
gentlemen
claimed
that
he's
The,
Stepfather
and
another
individual
that
was
it
was
in
the
within
the
facility,
said
we're
not
necessarily
sure
he's
the
father
or
The
Stepfather
and
then
would
I
did
inquire.
B
Where
is
the
mother
and
he
said
she's
somewhere
out
there,
so
once
we
kind
of
had
that
conversation
and
I
did
speak
to
the
security
coordinator,
I
said
you
know,
it
might
be
proven
that
we
just
called
the
PDP
and
have
to
check
the
check
on
the
kid
like
I
said
earlier.
So
when
I
did
that
and
I
called
them
initially
they
respond
favorably
and
said:
okay
where's
the
individual.
What
does
it
look
like
who
he
is
and
all
that
stuff
all
the
information
that
they
require
and
I
did
ask
them?
B
Well,
they
did
ask
me
what
bus
is
this
person
supposed
to
be
taking
because
it
was
getting
to
about
6
pm
and
we
have
our
next
departures
from
the
transit
center,
and
so
I
did
tell
them
that
hey?
This
is
going
to
be
boarding.
The
Winooski
bus
heading
towards
Winooski,
number,
nine,
Riverside,
Winooski
and
he'll
be
departing
at
6
PM,
along
with
the
other
individual
plus,
a
pit
pool
that
is
present
as
well.
So
they
said
yeah.
B
Could
you
guys
hold
the
bus
for
us
when
I
called
the
dispatch
and
I
said
we
can
only
hold
so
much
because
there
are
other
people
on
board.
We
don't
hold
everybody
our
way,
so
we
agreed
on
that
and
then
within
I'd
say
a
minute.
Maybe
two
tops
a
female
individual
called
return.
My
call
back
and
left
me
a
voicemail
basically
give
me
the
go
ahead,
that
hey
let
them
go.
They
can
go
ahead
wherever
they're
going
and
I
was.
B
So
at
that
moment,
I
called
back
the
dispatch
and
I
said:
hey
I
need
to
speak
to
the
officer.
That
left
me
the
message
and
they
said
yeah
sure
so
I
spoke
to
the
female
officer.
If
I
can
find
the
voicemail
that
she
left
for
me.
So
just
at
least
for
a
Disclosure
by
the
name
of
the
officer
for
the
officer
said
that
yeah
we
understand
what's
happening,
you
can
let
them
go
ahead.
We'll
try
to
send
somebody
to
you
know
to
reach
to
the
vehicle
and
I
said.
B
If
we
let
them
go,
then
that's
pretty
much
the
end
of
it.
You
know
nobody's
there
to
check
on
the
kid
and
she
said
yeah.
We
know
it
just
let
the
vehicle
go
and
at
the
time
honestly,
so
much
emotions
was
going
through
me
because
I
think
from
the
side
of
that
child.
What
if
it's
me
a
10
year
old
or
whatever,
and
maybe
something
is
going
on
and
so
nobody's
coming
to
my
Aid
and
you
know
if
I
was
being
trafficked
and
nobody
even
cared
for
it.
B
What
would
that
mean
to
me
as
a
child
that
comes
from
a
war-torn
Zone,
and
so
so
much
was
rushing
through
my
head
at
the
time
that
I
was
like
this.
This
cannot
be
really
happening
and
I've
just
felt
at
the
time
they
were
taking
very
lightly.
The
issue
and
I
called
back
again
and
I
said:
can
I
speak
to
the
officer
and
the
person
that
picked
up
the
dispatch
said.
B
If
you
have
a
complaint,
you
need
to
leave
a
voicemail
for
a
complain
and
I
said:
look
I'm,
not
even
in
the
mood
to
leave
a
complaint.
I
need
to
speak
to
somebody
who
can
come
and
just
check
on
the
kid
you
guys
ask
us
to
hold
the
vehicle
we
held
a
vehicle.
Now
you
guys
are
telling
us
to
release
the
vehicle,
and
this
is
just
you
know
it's
not
the
way
to
do
it
so
I
mean
the
way
I'm
doing.
That
is
much
more
mellow
at
the
time.
B
I
was
a
little
bit
more
upset,
and
you
know
so
much
emotion
is
running
through
my
head
and
I
just
felt
let
down
more
than
anything
else,
just
not
for
me,
but
for
the
child
and
looking
at
all
the
incidents
that
are
happening
with,
like
the
attempt
of
kidnapping
on
the
bus,
as
well
as
the
stepping
in
Montpelier
to
other
issues.
That
literally
happened
a
day
ago
with
two
more
people.
B
It
just
made
me
feel
like.
Okay,
I
mean
now
they're
responding
now,
maybe
because
of
what
happened
in
the
past,
so
I
did
reach
out
to
the
mayor's
office
as
well
as
the
assistant,
whether
the
acting
Chief
to
let
them
share
my
concerns
on
how
dissatisfact
unsatisfied
I
am
with
what
happened
and
I
believe
that
he
he
honestly
referred
to
the
commission
Miller
get
back
to
me
and
said:
hey.
B
A
C
A
B
A
A
A
B
That
we
have,
you
know
the
commission
who
are
you
know,
because
I
know
the
community
is
asking
for
an
oversight
board
to
come
and
see
what
the
department
is
doing,
or
the
Judiciary
in
general
is
doing
right.
I
I'm
genuinely
satisfied
with
what
the
commission
is
doing
and
the
fact
that
we're
there
you
know
you
guys
are
looking
after
us,
but
I
would
like
to
see
more
done
in
terms
of
Department
response
to
vulnerable
citizens
and
residents
when
they
are
like
in
a
difficult
situation
where
it
might
not
be
able
to
be
seen.
B
I
like
yeah,
that's
happening,
but
there's
Telltale
sign
that
this
is
actually
happening.
Where
we're
always
told
if
you
see
something,
say
something
and
when
we
say
something
and
we're
just
treating
it
into
like
almost
like
in
a
different
way,
then
it
shuts
people
up
and
say
you
know
what,
if
they're
not
going
to
say
anything
they're,
probably
not
going
to
respond
in
the
future.
Something
happens
too.
You
know.
D
B
Department,
no,
not
at
all
I,
do
understand
that
they
do.
They
were
doing
a
little
bit
of
investigative
in
the
background
where
they
did
ask
for
some
videos,
and
so
that's
effect,
but
as
far
as
direct
Outreach
to
where
I
was
at
and
what
my
thought
process
was
or
what
they
could
have
done
in
the
future.
Better
was
none
of
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Mr
Brown
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment,
and
in
case
you
didn't
know,
and
also
for
people
that
are
watching.
So
if
a
complaint
is
filed,
that
complaint
also
comes
to
the
police
commission.
The
department
will
investigate
and
will
then
report
to
the
commission
about
how
it
wants
to
respond
to
the
complaint.
A
B
A
B
A
E
B
B
B
E
A
G
A
H
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
had
one
question
and
one
comment:
I
wanted
to
put
out
there.
I
I
wanted
to
tune
into
the
meeting
today,
because
I'm
trying
to
really
educate
myself
more
on
this
ballot
item
number
seven,
and
what's
going
on
with
the
police,
commission
and
Mohammed
Ibraham
I
didn't
know
you
were
the
one
moderating
the
call
the
the
people
online,
but
I
had
seen
his
post
on
front
porch
Forum
last
week.
H
I
guess
it
was
really
going
at
Great
Lengths
about
all
the
changes
that
are
in
the
works
for
the
police
commission
and
giving
it
more
power,
and
all
that
and
I
honestly
hadn't
heard
anything
about
that.
Maybe
it
was
my
ignorance
I've
been
trying
to
keep
informed,
but
it
was
extremely
helpful,
and
so
my
question
is:
am
I
ignorant
not
having
known
about
that
or
have
you
not
tried
to
publicize
what
you're
doing
because
I
found
it
very
enlightening
and
and
important
to
know
so?
H
H
You
know
it's
it's
hard
to
get
good
people
whatever,
but
I
happen
to
call
on
a
Sunday
afternoon
at
4,
30,
not
9-1-1,
but
just
the
police
line,
because
I
was
going
up.
North,
Avenue
and
I
could
see
this
man
with
a
bicycle
and
a
like
a
child
trailer
on
the
back
where
another
bicycle
was
hoisted
in
there
and
he
was
pulling.
H
H
You
know
to
let
him
know
so
so
I
called
the
number
and
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
tried
to
call
during
off
hours,
but
it
took
at
least
10
minutes
to
get
through
the
answering
a
message
with
all
sorts
of
information
and
then
before
I
could
finally
push
a
button
to
speak
to
someone
and
then
again,
I
I
got
a
person
who
again
was
totally
uninterested
and
asked
multiple
questions
of
me
that
I
get
it.
If
it
had
been,
you
know,
what's
he
look
like?
H
What's
he
wearing
when
I
said,
he's
right
down
the
block
he's
right
here,
you
know
if
somebody
would
just
come
if
they
can,
but
the
person
was
clearly
not
interested
and
I'm
sure
nothing
ever
happened,
but
I
guess.
My
comment
to
that
is
to
reinforce
what
was
just
said
about
the
dispatch
and
maybe
especially
on
weekends,
and
also,
if
you
might
look
into
that,
recording
that
you
get
when
you
call
the
department,
presumably
off
hours.
Maybe
it's
like
that.
All
the
time,
that's
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
Thank
you
and
thank
you
Deb
for
your
question
and
concern.
As
commissioner
seguino
just
said,
I
have
been
attending
mpas
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
overall
was,
as
a
commission
has
been
community
outreach
community
outreach
for
the
Department
community
outreach
for
the
commission.
E
They
have
a
YouTube
channel
and
if
you
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
watch
the
meetings
live
and
the
live
meetings
can
be
accessed
by
going
to
the
city's
website
clicking
on
calendar.
And
then
the
calendar
comes
up
for
the
upcoming
meetings
and
when
you
click
on
a
meeting
that
you're
interested
in
and
it's
not
just
city
council,
it's
all
the
commissions
and
the
city
council
committees,
you're
able
to
see
the
dates,
the
time,
the
physical
location
and
also
have
a
zoom
link.
E
But
if
you
can't
see
the
meetings
live,
almost
all
of
them
are
recorded
by
town
meeting
TV
and
can
be
viewed
within
24
hours
on
their
YouTube
channel.
So,
just
to
let
you
know
that
so
that
you
can
access
it,
you
can
watch
the
whole
meetings
or
you
can
watch
them
a
little
bit
at
a
time.
Whatever
works
with
your
schedule,
and
our
minutes
for
prior
meetings
are
also
posted
on
the
agendas
as
well.
But
thank
you
for
your
question.
Can.
A
H
D
A
Free
to
email,
us
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that.
Thank
you
so
much
so
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
4.01.
The
chief's
report,
which
is
posted
online.
The
chief
is
not
available
for
this
meeting.
I
thought
I
would
point
out
a
few
things
from
the
chief's
report
that
are
useful.
One
is
that
there
have
been.
A
There's
an
increase
from
2022,
but
overall
the
incidents
are
actually
about
30
percent
lower
than
they
were
in
2017,
2018,
2019
and
even
2020
and
well.
The
incidents
that
happen
are
deeply
disturbing.
It
is
good
news
to
see
that
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
have
access
to
board
docs,
you
can
see
where
the
changes
in
incidents
are
compared
to
previous
years.
E
E
These
I
believe
are
really
related
to
our
very
unfortunate
drug
crisis,
stolen
vehicles.
It's
we've
had
some
very
mild
weather,
but
we've
also
had
some
very
cold
weather
recently
and
there's
just
this
incidence
where
people
go
out
to
warm
up
their
cars
and
then
you
leave
your
car
alone,
and
that
is
how
vehicles
are
many
vehicles
are
being
taken.
So
just
a
reminder
to
the
public
to
be
vigilant:
do
not
leave
your
car
alone
running
with
the
keys.
Don't
leave
your
keys
in
your
car.
Please
make
sure
to
lock
your
cars.
E
People
who
are
desperate
are
looking
for
something
easy,
and
so
the
unlocked
vehicle
issue,
cars
and
vehicles
definitely
continue
to
be
a
an
issue.
I
don't
want
to
victim
blame
in
any
way.
I
just
want
our
community
to
be
aware
that
this
could
happen
to
you
and
just
taking
some
simple
cautions
could
help
reduce
this.
Regarding
the
other
things,
we
definitely
need
to
have
a
plan
to
address
this
crisis
in
a
more
substantial
way.
Thank
you.
A
Moving
on
to
item
5.01,
nomination
of
a
co-chair
for
the
commission
and
just
to
remind
folks
that
in
the
past
the
commission
has
had
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
The
the
work
of
the
commission
has
really
increased
and
we
have
felt
that
having
a
co-chair
would
make
the
job
more
sustainable.
For
us
as
volunteers.
A
Commissioner
Gamache
was
co-chair
until
he
resigned
and
so
we're
in
the
position
to
elect
a
new
co-chair
and
I
will
take
the
liberty
of
nominating
shakuntalao
as
as
co-chair
I'm,
going
to
ask.
If
there's
a
second
to
that
motion.
Commissioner
Garrison,
and
let
me
just
say
that
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
Rao
is
new,
but
she
has
dived
right
in
and
is
really
has
enormous
energy
and
has
already
been
very
helpful
and
has
the
time
that
is
needed
to
do
this.
And
so
I,
with
great
confidence
nominate
her
for
this
position.
A
D
A
I
Yes,
thank
you.
This
is
working
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Thank
you.
Everyone
I
respect,
all
of
you
in
thinking
that
I
I
can
jump
into
this,
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
seguino
I'm
still
in
in
the
learning
mode
right,
so
I'm
going
to
reach
out
to
each
of
you
and
ask
many
many
questions.
I
think
you
already
have
sent
everybody.
Many
emails
asking
lots
of
questions,
so
I
might
continue
to
do
that.
I
The
only
only
thing
I
would
add
here
is
that
commissioner
signino
and
I
are
working
towards
developing
some
blueprint
of
how
to
co-chair
responsibilities
in
a
more
documented
way.
So
we
have
been
talking
about
establishing
bylaws.
We
are
one
of
the
commissions
that
is
a
pretty
important
commission,
but
does
not
have
any
written
bylaws.
So
again,
as
we
write
that
together,
we
will
submit
it
to
the
commission
so
that
we
have
more
kind
of
codification
of
how
this
sharing
will
work.
But
thank
you.
Everyone.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Moving
on
to
item
5.02,
introduction
of
Zoe
portless
city
data,
analyst
I
see
that
Zoe
is
online
and
I
just
want
to
hi
Zoe
I
want
to
just
preface
this
by
saying
that
the
commission
each
year
receives
a
report
from
the
city
data
analyst
with
regard
to
traffic,
stops,
arrests
and
use
of
force
and
overall
policing
matters.
It's
a
highly
data
driven
report
and
Zoe
is,
is
our
new
city
data
analyst
that
will
be
providing
us
the
report
this
year.
A
J
Yeah,
thank
you.
It's
great
to
meet
you
all
so
about
me
just
briefly.
I'm,
a
recent
University
of
Vermont
graduate
with
master's
degree
and
I
was
really
excited
about
this
position,
because
I
saw
it
as
an
opportunity
to
use
my
data
skills,
my
visualization
skills
and
communication
skills
that
I've
developed
over
the
past
few
years
to
improve
our
community,
and
so,
as
you
said,
I
only
just
recently
stepped
into
this
role
at
the
beginning
of
February,
and
it
has
been
vacant
for
a
few
months.
J
J
A
E
A
A
I
thought
it
would
be
useful
to
put
this
on
the
agenda
to
hear
from
others
on
the
commission.
If
there's
anything
else,
that
would
be
helpful
for
us
in
reviewing
complaints
and
seeing
if
commissioner
Keefe
would
be
willing
to
adopt
those
or
we
could
get
him.
Some
help
to
do
that,
so
I
want
to
ask
anybody
for
input
with
regard
to
the
process
in
any
changes
we
might
want
to
the
process
of
re
preparing
for
executive
session
and
reviewing
complaints.
I
Yes,
I
I.
Concur
too,
it
was
it's
very
helpful
when
we
can
have
that.
That
summary,
especially
that
you
prepared
as
well
for
all
of
us
to
review
right
before
we
make
a
we
go
towards
the
discussion.
So
thank
you
very
much,
I
think
I,
don't
know
if
we
we
need
to
adopt
that
as
a
motion
that
we
can
just
sort
of
go
ahead
with
that.
Okay,
all.
A
F
It
was
of
some
use.
I
would
like
really
to
thank
our
our
clerk,
Muhammad
Ibrahim
for
uploading
all
of
the
documents
into
SharePoint
I
think
that
was
a
really
important,
great
Improvement,
and
just
one
thing
that
maybe
we
could
discuss
with
the
the
big
overall
tracker
if
there
might
be
any
way
to
embed
links
that
that
Commissioners
could
then
just
go
to
the
tracker
and
then
maybe
just
click
on
a
link
and
be
taken
right
to
the
files.
I.
Don't.
F
A
Yeah
yeah
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Muhammad.
He
did
incredible
work,
putting
our
SharePoint
together
and
commissioneroski.
Just
for
you.
All
of
our
complaints
are
now
uploaded
onto
SharePoint,
and
every
complaint
has
a
folder
with
all
of
the
relevant
documents
and
their
investigative
reports
officer,
affidavits
whatever
it
is
that
we
need
to
review
the
complaints,
so
it
is
now
all
in
one
place.
A
A
A
We
invited
city
council
president
Karen
Paul
to
come
here
to
talk
to
us
about
the
her
thoughts
and
discussions
about
the
way
forward.
With
regard
to
civilian
oversight,
she
shared
some
thoughts
with
us
in
an
email
to
the
commission
and
I
thought.
It
would
just
be
useful
for
the
commission
to
hear
from
you
directly
and
to
see
if
anybody
had
any
questions
for
you.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
also
chair
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee
Joe
McGee
is
also
here
who's
part
of
this
process.
M
M
M
To
be
here,
thank
you
so
much
for
for
asking
us
to
come
to
your
meeting
and
since
I
do
have
the
opportunity.
First
just
wanted
to
congratulate
the
newest
member
of
your
group,
commissioner,
oski
and
I
just
wanted
all
of
you
to
know.
If
you
didn't
know
that
when
Jess
came
before
the
council,
it
was
by
unanimous
vote,
including
the
mayor
and
I,
think
actually
for
a
good
many
of
you.
It
was
by
unanimous
vote,
which
I
think
to
a
large
degree
speaks
to
the
support
that
the
commission
has
from
the
council.
M
M
It's
a
lot
more
than
I
think
you
all
signed
up
for,
and
you
have
taken
that
responsibility
taken
it
seriously.
You
deal
with
a
lot
of
reviewing
complaints.
You
deal
with
a
lot
of
confidential
material.
I
have
never
once
had
any
reason
to
doubt
that
you
take
that
with
the
utmost
seriousness
and
high
level
of
responsibility,
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
it's
an
enormous
amount
of
work.
M
I
am
I'm
just
here
and
I'll,
let
I'll
let
counselor
McGee
speak
as
well
to
just
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
about
any
of
the
actions
that
the
council
has
taken
on
civilian
oversight.
You
can
all
come
back
to
me,
but
certainly
I'm,
glad
I
didn't
know
until
a
short
time
ago
that
councilor
McGee
would
would
be
at
the
meeting
and
want
to
give
him
the
opportunity.
M
N
N
It's
been
great
to
work
with
you
all
as
chair
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee,
advancing
so
many
of
the
changes
in
the
CNA
report
and
also
supporting
efforts
to
get
the
commission
more
resources.
So
you
all
can
be
as
effective
as
possible
in
this
work
and
certainly
look
forward
to
having
this
conversation
about
where
we
go
from
here
in
terms
of
the
role
of
the
commission
and
looking
ahead
to
town
meeting
day
and
Beyond
in
terms
of
how
the
commission
might
interface
with
any
new
civilian
oversight
body
that
might
be
stood
up.
A
Commissioner,
president
Paul
could
I
just
pose
a
question
then
that
I
think
might
be
what
is
on
folks
mind.
So,
of
course,
the
ballot
item
will
be
voted
on.
Number
seven
will
be
voted
on
on
town
meeting
day,
even
if
it
passes
if
it
passes
it
still
will
be
some
time
before
that
would
take
effect
and
so
our
Quest.
My
question
is
related
to
the
resolution
that
was
passed
in
2021
and
how
you
envision
us
moving
forward.
A
As
you
know
that
in
some
ways
the
commission
is
in
a
bit
of
a
limbo
because
certain
authorities
were
given
us,
but
that
hasn't
been
turned
into
an
ordinance
and
as
I
recall,
you
said
that
there
would
be
a
process
coming
that
you
were
advocating
for
with
regard
to
input
from
the
commission
building
on
the
resolution
and
some
other
input.
Maybe
you
could
just
describe
that
to
us
again
and
answer
questions
that
the
commission
has
further
questions.
Sure.
M
I'm
happy
to
so.
Yes,
in
fact,
we
are
in
a
in
an
odd
situation
now
and
that
and
that
to
some
degree,
was
part
of
the
odd
situation
that
we
found
ourselves
in,
even
in
2021.
For
those
who
were
on
the
commission
at
the
time
and
even
for
those
who
weren't
a
great
deal
of
effort,
went
into
the
October
2021
resolution
that
was
sponsored
by
the
Public
Safety
Committee.
It
was
myself
counselors,
Hightower
and
then
counselor
Stromberg,
and
we
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that
resolution.
M
That
being
said,
it
is
a
I
mean,
if
certainly
if,
if
for,
if
nothing
else,
the
charter
change
that
we're
going
to
vote
on
has
conveyed
I.
Think
to
this
community
and
I
think
there
is
a
strong
voice
in
the
sense
that
this
must
be
acted
with
urgency.
We
we
can
no
longer
just
keep
on
talking
about
it
or
studying
it.
M
If
the
charter
change
passes
and
we'll
go
to
the
legislature,
you
know,
certainly
it
will
take
some
time
until
it
is
acted
upon
if
it
is
acted
upon
the
potential
for
it
to
go
through
committees
go
through
the
legislature.
Go
through
the
governor
even
come
back
from
the
governor,
it's
a
long
process
and
in
the
meantime
we
need
to
try
to
figure
out.
What
are
we
going
to
do
in
the
meantime,
it
would
be
my
hope
and
I'm
only
one.
M
You
know
I
should
say,
and
certainly
most
of
you
know,
the
the
city
council
does
not
speak
with
one
voice
and
I
am
just
one
of
right
now,
11
and
soon
to
be
12,
City
councilors,
but
it
certainly
would
be
my
priority
to
move
forward
on
the
ordinance
by
that
being
the
priority
to
come
out
of
the
city
attorney's
office.
To
take
the
the
response
that
you
had
given
back
in
2020,
one
or
actually
it
was.
It
was
actually
April
or
May
of
2022
and
start
working
on
finding
the
path
forward.
M
N
So
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
for
the
Public,
Safety
Committee
and
the
commission
to
work
together
on
a
process
for
that
preparing
for
that
board
to
be
stood
up
and
ensuring
that
the
commission
has
the
tools
and
the
resources
that
they
need
that
you
all
need
to
do
that.
Work
in
the
interim
I
think
you
know
if
the
control
board
passes,
we're
certainly
going
to
have
to
have
several
conversations
about
what
the
role
of
the
commission
will
be
and
what
the
role
of
the
board
will
be
going
forward.
A
C
I
wanted
to
say
before
that
we
have
to
give
kudos
to
our
fearless
leader,
commissioner
saguino,
who
has
been
an
exceptional
leader
in
this
process
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
feel
jointly.
You
know
grateful
for
her
leadership
and
the
time
that
she
expends
in
the
process,
so
I'd
like
to
be
thanked,
but
I
also
want
to
give
do
where
do
is.
Do
thank.
M
Well,
so
there
are
so
on
February
6th.
We
passed
a
resolution.
It
narrowly
passed
it
past.
Is
it
six
to
five?
Yes
past,
six
to
five
that
sort
of
laid
a
path
forward
for
how
we
would
deal
with
oversight
and
accountability
in
the
event
that
the
the
ballot
item
doesn't
pass
and
that
would
set
up
a
process?
M
As
I
said
before
we,
you
know
we,
we
don't
want
to
act
with
haste,
but
I
think
after
working
on
this
now
for
two
years,
I,
don't
think
haste
is
going
to
be
the
issue
I
think
conveying
tremendous
urgency
after
a
long
period
of
time
is
really
incumbent
upon
us
to
act
and
act
now,
and
the
resolution
does
lay
out
a
very
ambitious
timeline.
But
if
we
really
prioritize
it,
we
can
get
this
done
by
June.
M
So
that
is,
that
is
the
goal,
and
you
know
after
after
the
31st
of
March,
we
will
reorganize
as
a
as
a
council,
and
you
know
whomever
not
only
that
we
will
have
new
counselors,
but
also
who
whomever
that
council
president
may
be
I
will
certainly
be
doing.
Everything
I
can
to
make
sure
that
this
becomes
literally
our
our
top
priority.
So
that's
where
that's
where
I
stand
with.
C
A
Any
other
Commissioners
have
a
comment
if
I
might
make
one
president
Paul,
even
if
the
battle
that
I
passes,
that
long
delay
suggests
to
me
that
actually
the
city
council
should
begin
working
on
revising
the
ordinance
immediately,
in
any
case
because
of
the
uncertainty
of
its
future
in
the
legislature
and
so
forth.
Yes,.
M
I
would
agree-
and
you
know
and
I
do
hope,
and
of
course
this
is
we're
getting
a
little
bit
ahead
of
ourselves.
But
I
do
hope
that
you
know
if
the.
If
the
ballot
item
passes,
that
there
will
be
an
attempt
in
the
legislature
to
really
give
us
some
direction,
you
know
we're
at
the
start
of
a
biennium.
M
That
means
that
this
could
go
on
for
some
time
and
in
the
meantime,
you
know
if
it's
destined,
if
it's
destined
not
to
come
through
the
legislature
in
either
either
at
all
or
in
the
you
know,
in
the
form
that
we
have
it.
Wouldn't
it
be
wonderful
to
know
that
sooner
rather
than
later,
so
that
we
can
get
moving
I
I
agree
with
you,
but
either
way
the
ordinance
is
the
ordinance
that
is
something
within
our
power
to
to
in
to
change,
and
that
will
be
the
priority
after
town
meeting
day.
A
M
C
A
Okay,
moving
on
to
item
5.04,
Shannon
tremel
is
here
from
Burlington
Police
Department
before
we
embark
on
this
I
think
we
have
enough
time.
We
do
have
time
certain
speakers
from
the
center
for
policing
Equity
at
7
15,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
we
will
be
able
to
wrap
this
up
so
that
Shannon
can
get
on
with
her
evening.
So
I'm
going
to
just
say
a
few
words
as
introduction
here,
the
the
the
CNA
report,
the
consultant's
report,
that
was
a
functional
analysis
of
Burlington
Police
Department,
made
over
150
recommendations
for
changes.
A
Many
of
them
changes
to
policy,
and
so
one
of
the
policies
is
dd43,
which
is
reporting
on
of
corruption
and
other
misconduct
and
its
guidance
for
officers
in
terms
of
how
they
would
report
corruption
or
misconduct.
The
process
has
been
that
the
policy
Revision
in
response
to
the
CNA
recommendations
started
with
the
Burlington
Police,
Department
and
Shannon
has
been
shepherding
this
through.
A
My
understanding
Shannon
is
that
these
changes
were
reviewed
by
the
Burlington
Police,
Officers,
Association
and,
and
now
it
comes
to
the
commission,
and
so
the
commission
has
the
obligation
and
authority
to
review
policy
changes
and
approve
them
or
not,
approve
them,
and
so
the
items
for
those
who
are
watching
online.
We
have
the
edits
with
track
changes
ddo3
and
we
also
have
the
CNA
recommendations
themselves.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
turn
to
Shannon
for
any
comments
or
thoughts
and
then
I'll
turn
to
the
commission
for
questions
Shannon
thanks.
So
much.
L
L
Thank
you,
I
I
mean
it
was.
That
was
a
perfect
summary.
I.
Don't
want
to
take
so
much
time
again
and
just
say
that
the
what
we
really
did
focus
on
were
the
recommendations
of
the
CNA
report.
There
are
a
few
minor
changes
throughout
dd43
regarding
formatting,
trying
to
get
that
more
consistent
with
the
newer
formatting
of
directives
for
the
future,
and
really
that
was
just
collaborative
work
and
taking
the
CNA
recommendations.
L
Inserting
those
and
you
know
kind
of
giving
approval
from
the
command
staff
at
the
department
and
then
passed
on
these
changes
didn't
require
any
input
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
So
so
that's
one
thing
that
didn't
need
to
happen
with
this
directive,
but
then
also
the
bpoa
did
review
and
approve
the
suggested
edits
for
this
directive,
and
so
this
directive
really
just
focused
on
changing
the
requirement
of
reporting
to
make
it
clear
that
they
don't
need
to
have
proof,
substantial
proof
and
then
go
through
and
investigate.
A
My
question
was
how
this
responds
to
cna's
request
that
language
be
added
to
assist
employees
and
understanding
the
choice
between
the
reporting
mechanisms,
and
my
question
is
really
related
to
the
fact
that
there
are
a
variety
of
reporting
mechanisms.
One
of
them,
for
example,
is
to
HR
as
compared
to
let's
say,
reporting
to
the
deputy
chief
or
the
officer
in
charge.
I'm
I'm
curious
as
to
so
my
point
is
the
following.
It
seems
to
me
that
there
are
confidentiality
issues
that
might
influence
how
an
officer
would
choose
right.
L
So
I'm
speaking
for
me,
I
had
similar
I
had
some
change
some
similar
concerns.
However,
the
document
did
originally
list
out
the
four
ways
that
someone
could
report:
misconduct
there
there's
another
directive
and
I
think
it
speaks
in
dd01
which
we're
working
on
revising
as
well
that
talks
about
when
someone.
A
But
if
you
have
a
brand
new
officer
who
actually
doesn't
know
what
the
implications
are
of
the
various
reporting
mechanisms,
it
seems
to
me
that
it's
not
a
big
ask
to
clarify
this
information
in
this
document,
even
if
it
is
in
another
directive
to
clarify
it
here,
I'm
going
to
just
leave
you
with
that
comment,
you
don't
have
to
respond
right
away
and
just
I
think
other
Commissioners
might
have
some
comments
here.
Did
you,
commissioner,
Rowe
or
commissioner
Keefe.
F
Quick
question
I
just
noticed
with
the
reporting
to
the
deputy
chief
of
admin,
it
does
say
a
detailed
written
report.
It
seems
like
it's
a
more
a
stricter
sort
of
reporting
guideline
is:
is
there
any
kind
of
difference
in
the
types
of
complaints
that
would
be
sent
to
the
deputy
chief,
and
might
that
be
clarified?
Just
because
it
does
say
you
know
a
detailed
written
report
where
the
other
mechanisms
don't
quite
specify
that.
L
A
A
I'm
going
to
move
to
that
item,
I
am
not
seeing
it
as
clearly
as
I
hoped
to
on
the
agenda,
but
I
will
just
move
into
it.
We
have
a
few
minutes
before
our
speaker.
So
again,
the
commission
agreed
is
where
is
working
with
the
Burlington
Police
Department
to
address
numerous
policy
revision
recommendations
and
one
of
those
is
dd13
which
is
around
mental
health.
Commissioner,
Rao
and
I
are
working
on
that
and
we
hope
to
have
a
draft
version
to
give
to
the
police
department
by
March
15th
in
time
for
review
at
our
next
meeting.
A
Hopefully,
the
command
staff
and
bpoa
will
have
a
chance
to
review
it
by
then.
The
other
item
is
dd03
and
we
are
simply
waiting
for
the
com,
the
police
department,
to
send
us
your
changes.
We
have
asked
certain
folks
to
provide
comment
on
it.
The
ACLU
Jeff
Jones,
a
former
state
trooper
Mia
Schultz
from
NAACP,
so
we'll
be
prepared
with
them
to
provide
comment.
Once
you
submit
the
revised
version
of
that
to
us.
L
This
directive
was
Rewritten
by
migrant,
Justice
and
aalv,
and
so
I
brought
two
commissioner
Rao
and
councilor
McGee
My
thought
that
I
first
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
wasn't
rewriting
their
directive
in
a
way
that
wasn't
acceptable
with
them
or
that
they
didn't
approve
of
so
I
felt
like
I,
was
a
little
bit
torn
with
that
and
also
looked
to
them
to
provide
some
people
within
the
organization's.
Those
organizations
in
the
community
that
I
could
chat
with
about
actually
providing
us
the
examples.
L
So
the
request
is
to
add
examples
for
officers
and
staff
in
the
department
to
be
alerted
to
as
to
what
may
be
by
you
know
what
they
can
look
for.
That
may
be
biased
that
they
could
then
report
or
do
something
about
I,
didn't
feel
and
I
didn't
feel
like
it
was
the
Department's
place
to
come
up
with
those
examples.
L
L
L
Commissioner
I
believe
it
was
Bend
Oregon
is
that
was
that
correct
at
some
of
the
ways
and
possible
examples,
so
I
didn't
think
like
scouring
the
internet,
for
some
examples
would
was
a
good
use
of
what
the
community
would
want
out
of
us
and
then
again,
I
didn't
think
that
it
was
right
for
us
to
come
up
with
these
examples.
That
I
really
think
that's
others
should
have.
You
know
give
us
these
examples
pretty
much
and.
A
A
A
Okay,
I'd,
like
to
move
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
and
I
am
really
quite
astonished
that
we're
still
ahead
of
time
on
our
schedule,
which
I'm
really
happy
about
and
I'd
like
to.
This
is
item
5.06
with
members
of
the
center
for
policing,
equity
and
I'd,
like
to
turn
this
over
to
commissioner
coverford,
who
is
the
commissioner
who
organizes
educational
interventions
for
the
commission
and
the
community
and
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
her
to
introduce
our
guest
speakers
and
welcome.
C
Well,
first
I'd
like
to
welcome
both
of
you
tonight.
We
have
two
guests
from
the
center
for
policing
Equity
we're
going
to
talk
to
us
about
Mental
Health
Emergency
responses.
Charlotte
wrestling
is
a
government
Affairs
manager
with
the
policy
team
at
the
center
for
policing
Equity
prior
to
joining
CPE
in
May
2021
Charlotte
spent
years
working
on
Criminal
Justice
Reform
at
both
the
national
and
local
level.
Most
recently,
Charlotte
provided
technical
assistance
to
counties
and
cities
working
to
improve
their
crisis
response
to
disrupt
this
cycle
of
incarceration.
C
Before
that,
Charlotte
worked
at
the
American
civil
liberties
Union,
serving
as
a
federal
advocate
for
Criminal,
Justice
Reform
and
a
drug
policy
expert
Charlotte
has
a
JD
from
the
University
of
the
District
of
Columbia
David,
a
Clark
School
of
Law
and
received
a
ba
from
Tulane
University
welcome.
Charlotte
Scarlett
Neath
is
the
policy
research
manager
at
the
center
for
policing
Equity,
where
she
leads
the
development
of
cpe's
evidence-informed
stances
and
related
resources
to
advance
Equity,
Justice
and
safety
prior
to
joining
CPE
in
2020.
C
She
spent
several
years
working
on
Criminal
Justice
Reform
at
the
national
level,
including
supporting
a
network
of
prosecutors.
At
fair
and
just
prosecution
and
working
in
the
Communications
Department
of
the
Vera
Institute
of
Justice
Scarlett
holds
a
ba
from
the
University
of
Texas
at
Austin
and
a
master
of
public
policy
with
distinction
from
the
University
of
Edinburgh
Scotland
welcome.
A
Welcomes
Carl
and
Charlotte.
Let
me
just
say
by
wave
introduction
again
to
the
people
who
are
watching
is
we
were
interested
in
hearing
from
Charlotte
and
Scarlet
with
regard
to
the
cpe's
work
on
this
issue,
because
the
Burlington
is
working
moving
towards
a
Cahoots
type
model
for
mental
health
intervention,
and
it's
therefore
relevant
to
something
that
we're
going
to
be
embarking
on,
and
we
felt
that
it
was
important
for
us
to
continue
to
learn
about
this.
Even
as
we're
embarking
on
this.
So
thank
you
so
much
and
welcome.
O
O
This
working
all
right
great,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
again,
I'm,
also
going
to
throw
in
the
chat.
So
we've
really
come
into
this
work
through
a
huge,
evidence-based
research
project
that
Scarlett
and
I
have
undertaken
to
really
get
behind
what
the
numbers
are
and
alternative
response
and
to
find
how
best
communities
can
respond
to
mental
health
emergencies.
So
incl
I'm,
including
in
the
chat,
a
link
to
our
paper
and
resources
on
Mental
Health,
Emergency
Response.
It
is
a
long.
O
We
have
a
long
white
paper
as
well
as
a
short
two-pager
that
you
can
find
there
and
so
yeah.
So
so.
A
lot
of
these
are
our
findings
from
our
report,
as
well
as
some
of
the
findings
that
we
have
come
across
as
we've
worked
with
communities
implementing
and
standing
up
mental
health,
alternative
response,
and
also
working
with
police
departments
to
improve
their
response
to
mental
health
emergencies.
O
So
about
the
center
for
policing
Equity,
we
are
a
research
and
action
group
that
uses
science
to
promote
racial
Justice
and
Public
Safety
Systems.
We
work
to
create
safer
communities
by
reducing
the
footprint
of
law
enforcement,
we've
partnered
with
over
60
law
enforcement
agencies
in
30
States,
and
we
rely
and
base
all
of
our
research
in
science.
That
says,
situations
predict
bias
more
than
individual
biases.
O
We
view
as
a
really
important
aside-
and
obviously
you
all
are
not
in
a
position
necessarily
to
do
that.
But
when
we
talk
to
Municipal
leaders,
we
do
ask
that
standing
up
Equitable
and
a
sufficient
Mental,
Health
Care
be
and
I'll
like
come
with
the
alternative
emergency
response.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
have
mental
health
care
before
emergencies,
Papa
and
improving
data
collection,
transparency,
I
think
that's
about
itself
explanatory.
O
So
here's
a
little
bit
of
the
national
landscape
on
alternative
mental
health
response
and
here's
some
stats
about
why
alternative
mental
health
response
is
necessary.
So
seven
to
ten
percent
of
police
encounters
involve
a
person
who
has
mental
illness.
People
with
mental
illness
are
no
more
likely
to
act
violently
than
anyone
else
in
the
community,
but
police
do
arrest,
injure
and
kill
people
with
Mentor
mental
illness
at
higher
rates.
O
In
fact,
people
with
serious
mental
illness
are
12
times
more
likely
to
experience
use
of
force
by
police
and
here's
a
few
little
stats
and
up
we
apologize.
If
you
all
know
this,
since
we
we
know
you're
you're
far
into
this
process,
but
so
in
Texas
alone,
they're
they're,
seeing
seven
communities
that
have
or
implementing
alternative
mental
health
response
programs
Montana
has
six
Iowa
has
a
program.
O
O
I
just
wanted
to
include
some
of
the
less
known
ones
like
Texas
Montana,
and
some
of
these
are
more
rural
locations
where
I
think
people
aren't
don't
realize
that
these
programs
are
being
set
up.
So
some
key
evidence
on
alternative
response.
Denver
star
program,
has
had
a
study
recently
that
came
out
that
the
program-
and
it
was
a
very
narrow
scope.
O
They
were
in
a
very
small
part
of
this
of
the
city
of
Denver
and
we're
only
responding
during
particular
hours,
but
they
estimated
that
the
program
prevented
nearly
1400
criminal
offenses.
In
the
duration
of
the
pilot,
there
was
an
overall
reduction
of
offenses
even
in
off
hours
and
during
the
Pilot
police
were
never
at
any
point
called
for
backup.
No
responses
ended
an
arrest
or
injury,
Eugene's
Cahoots,
which
is
a
very
famous
model.
O
Obviously
the
original
diverts
an
estimated
of
three
to
eight
percent
of
calls
that
would
otherwise
be
handled
by
police
and
responded
to
16
479
calls
and
just
in
2021
they've
had
an
analysis
done
that
estimates
that
the
the
city
has
saved
six
point
million
dollars
by
having
the
alternative
response
program
respond
to
these
calls,
as
opposed
to
their
police,
Department
and
I'm,
going
to
turn
over
to
Scarlett
for
our
next
bit.
Here.
K
A
K
Community
members,
mental
health
and
substance
use
service
providers,
emergency
services,
including
police
and
dispatch,
are
often
all
at
the
table,
but
stakeholders
should
definitely
consult
people
who
would
be
served
by
this
programming
and
those
with
lived
experience
of
police
contact
to
make
sure
that
they're
meeting
their
unique
needs
and
to
maximize
Effectiveness.
The
team
should
be
available,
24
7.,
recognizing
that
that
is
often
difficult
to
achieve
city-wide
at
first.
K
A
lot
of
these
programs
serve
certain
neighborhoods
to
begin,
and
they
should
be
available
to
be
called
by
a
direct
number
to
the
program,
as
well
as
through
9-1-1,
through
non-emergency
lines
like
3-1-1
and
through
988,
which
was
launched
last
year,
Nationwide
as
a
universal
24
7
hotline
for
mental
health.
Emergency
response
that
really
aims
to
separate
mental
health
related
calls
from
normal
9-1-1
calls.
K
The
alternative
crisis
response
system
should
be,
but
we
found
that
adequately.
Funding,
Staffing
and
training
dispatch
workers
is
a
really
are
huge
issues
throughout
the
country.
They're
facing
low
rates
of
pay,
inadequate
training
to
do
all
the
new
things
that
folks
are
asking
them
to
do.
So
what
we
found
is
to
maximize
dispatch
to
support
these
new
programs.
We
need
to
fund
salaries
of
dispatch
workers
to
prevent
people
from
leaving
and
then
also
fund
training
for
them
to
be
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
this
new
system.
K
K
And
finally,
this
is
a
big
one.
We
recommend
that
mental
health
clinicians
are
embedded
with
9-1-1
dispatchers,
which
can
significantly
improve
the
efficiency
of
dispatch
operations
by
helping
to
triage
what
situations
are
appropriate
for
which
response,
and
then
they
can
also
help
resolve
some
mental
health
related
calls
over
the
phone
and
you
don't
even
need
to
dispatch
someone
to
the
theme
next
slide.
K
And
the
second
bucket
of
recommendations
around
standing
up
these
programs
is
related
to
funding
so
obviously
funding.
These
programs
is
a
challenge
and
kind
of
similar
to
the
dispatch
staff
issue.
A
lot
of
cities
are
having
trouble
recruiting
enough
social
workers.
So
even
once
you
know,
a
program
is
green
lit
and
they
have
a
budget
and
they're
ready
to
hire
people.
K
But
the
list
here
is
different
kinds
of
funding
that
cities
have
used
and
then
also
worth
noting
that
sometimes
localities
use
a
variety
of
these
approaches
in
tandem,
so
the
first
most
common
is
programs
are
funded
just
out
of
the
city's
budget.
This
is
the
case
with
Cahoots
and
Eugene
and
officials.
There
see
the
program
as
a
net
cost
saving
because
of
the
number
Charlotte
cited
earlier
that
it
would
take
an
additional
6.4
million
dollars
to
have
the
police
cover.
K
To
answer
the
calls
made
to
that
line
and,
finally,
there's
a
few
Federal
funding
streams
that
have
been
used.
Medicaid
is
a
big
one,
so
alternative
response
programs
are
eligible
for
Medicaid
reimbursement
and
then
American
Rescue
plan
funding
as
part
of
the
covid
Recovery
Act.
It's
also
worth
noting
that
funding
should
be
dedicated
to
evaluate
the
program.
Not
Just
Launch
it
in
order
to
create
the
evidence
base
needed
to
sustain
it
over
years
and
years.
O
O
I
also,
just
briefly
want
to
touch
on
why
alternative
response
is
important,
as
opposed
to
co-response.
We
do
talk
about
co-response
in
our
paper
and
it
can
be
a
good
harm
reduction
measure.
But.
Ultimately,
alternative
response
is
the
only
response:
mental
health
emergencies
that
place
health
care
and
appropriate
Care
at
the
center
of
response,
and
not
police
and
punitive
responses.
There's
also
limited
evidence
of
a
fish
of
how
effective
those
programs
actually
are.
O
So
these
are
a
few
of
our
other
recommendations
that
are
really
relating
to
how
police
and
alternative
response
would
collaborate
in
the
field
dispatch,
as
we've
kind
of
already
gone
over,
is
extremely
important
and
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
that
are
finding
big
success.
Dispatch
calls
from
9-1-1
from
the
get-go
and
then
another
huge
recommendation
is
that
officers
should
be
required
to
call
for
assistance
from
specialty
mental
health
themes
under
specific.
O
In
specific
circumstances,
as
opposed
to
it
being
optional,
if
there
is
no
risk
of
harm-
and
there
is
a
case
that
an
officer
thinks
is
a-
is
a
mental
health
call-
they
should
be
required
to
call
on
this
other
team.
But
in
addition
to
that,
officers
obviously
should
still
be
trained
on
de-escalation
and
calming
tactics.
O
A
Oops,
thank
you
so
much
that
was
great
and
just
for
again
for
members
of
the
public.
The
copy
of
this
report
and
the
executive
summary
are
posted
on
board
docs
I,
wonder
if
I
might
invite
counselor
McGee
to
the
table,
because
you
may
have
questions
yourself
and
I
have
some
questions
for
you
in
in
this.
This
open
discussion
can
I
invite
members
of
the
commission
to
comment
or
ask
questions
of
our
guest
speakers.
O
So
we
actually
haven't
done
our
own
study.
This
was
more
of
a
review
of
the
existing
studies
and
Science
in
the
field.
It
is
actually
something
that
we're
very
much
hoping
and
I
think
our
science
team
is
working
on
right
now,
but
we
have
not
done
a
landscape
review
of
of
the
numbers
or
done
any
particular
research
in
this
space.
Specifically
as
of
now,
a
lot
of
our
research
is
more
centered
on
on
equity
in
certain
types
of
use
of
force
and
stocks,
and
things
like
that
for
departments.
O
O
I
I
It's
sort
of
one
of
the
things
that
I
notice
in
our
complaints,
some
of
the
complaints
that
we
receive
and
myself
as
well,
who
has
called
the
police
department,
it's
very
important
to
have
somebody
on
the
other
side
as
the
first
Contact
right
with
the
citizen.
So
I
wonder
if
you
can
share
with
us
a
list
of
kind
of
you
know
to-do
list
for
the
dispatch,
something
that
people
can
quickly.
I
You
know
the
the
BPD
Burlington
Police
Department
quickly
grab
onto
as
a
starting
point.
I
know
what
you
are
you
are
suggesting
is
a
multi-process.
Multi-Level
kind
of
you
know,
kind
of
a
paradigm
shift,
but
just
from
a
very
quick
perspective
is
that
is
there
something
that
you
can
share
with
the
police
department?
Right
now
say:
hey,
let's
start
with
these
to-do
lists
on
how
to
identify
mental
health
crises
as
opposed
to
more
critical
criminal
activities.
Thank
you.
O
Yes,
so
we
definitely
have
a
more
extensive
discussion
of
the
specifics
of
specific
recommendations
for
dispatch
and
I
will
say:
I
think
I
mean
I.
Think
a
lot
is
being
talked
about
in
terms
of
dispatch
right
now
and
how
important
it
is
and
like
what
a
Crux
it
is
in
response.
Broadly,
so
we
do
have
lists
of
recommendations
in
the
report.
O
I
think
that
there
would
likely
be
lots
more
that
aren't
included
in
our
report,
to
be
honest,
but
I
think
every
locality
is,
is
going
about
it
differently
and
have
different
problems
related
to
dispatch.
So
we
wanted
to
keep
the
report
as
general
as
possible
in
order
to
be
as
applicable
as
possible
to
different
jurisdictions
and
I
can.
Actually.
This
is
kind
of
Scarlet's
real
area
of
expertise,
so
I
can
turn
over
to
her.
If
she
has
anything
to
add
I,
don't
know,
but.
K
No
I
think
Charlotte's
said
everything
I
mean
it's,
it's
really,
unfortunately,
very
jurisdiction
specific
once
you
get
into
the
more
nuances
of
day-to-day
operations
of
dispatch
and
there's
people
other
than
us
who
are
like
totally
dedicated
to
that
question.
So
we
can
maybe,
after
this
point
you
in
the
direction
of
some
resources
of
folks
who
are
doing
this
work
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
A
N
F
A
Hopefully,
Charlotte
and
Scarlet
you'll
stay
with
us
a
moment,
but
I'm
going
to
bring
in
councilor
McGee,
who
is
more
knowledgeable
about
where
we
are
in
this
process.
The
city
did
allocate
I
think
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
begin
this
mental
alternative,
Mental,
Health
interventions
and
additional
funding
was
provided
by
the
state
as
I
understand
it.
I
want
to
just
highlight
that,
as
commissioner
Rao
said,
a
number
of
the
complaints
we
get
are
about
dispatch,
and
this
really
suggests
to
me.
A
This
is
a
really
good
early
warning
for
us
that
this
really
needs
to
be
really
well
developed.
The
other
piece
that
really
stands
out
to
me
is
what
is
required
of
officers
in
terms
of
being
required
to
call
mental
health
and
also
to
be
knowledgeable
about
the
resources
that
are
available
and
I
wonder
if
councilor
McGee,
if
you
can
Enlighten
us,
my
understanding
is
that
the
police
department
is
not
going
to
manage
this,
that
the
structure
is
going
to
be
a
bit
different
and
I.
N
Sure
I
can
speak
to
it
as
best
I
can
I
think
we,
as
you
said,
commissioner
sequino.
We
had
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
allocated
to
stand
up
this
model
that
was
funding
based
off
of
the
percentage
of
the
Eugene
police
budget.
That
Cahoots
accounts,
for
which
is
around
two
percent
of
their
police
budget.
N
Put
their
at
least
budget
is
much
larger
than
ours,
and
so
there
it
was
for
a
long
time,
a
big
gap
between
the
proposal
that
we
received
from
the
Howard
Center
to
start
an
alternative
response
model
and
what
we've
allocated
for
it.
So
we
did
get
that
funding
from
the
state
I
believe
it's
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
N
Now
the
Howard
Center
has
Street
Outreach,
which
in
a
perfect
world,
would
be
operating
from
eight
to
eight
seven
days
a
week.
That
is
currently
not
the
hours
that
they're
able
to
meet
so
there's
a
gap
there
in
service,
and
it's
you
know
not
really
clear
from
you
know
how
who
you're
supposed
to
call
when
you
would
like
Street
Outreach
to
go
somewhere.
You
can
call
9-1-1,
you
can
call
the
Howard
Center
first
call
number
both
of
those
are
going
to
kind
of
take
their
time
to
work
their
way
through
the
system.
N
So
it's
not
as
cut
and
dry
of.
If
you
call
dispatch
and
dispatch
is
going
to
immediately
reach
out
to
the
alternative,
responder
and
so
I'm
hopeful
that
over
the
next
few
months,
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
more
progress
on
making
that
operational.
And
you
know
the
funding
is
there
hiring
is
going
to
have
to
start
soon
and
that's
all
going
to
be
in
coordination
with
the
police
department
and
the
Howard
Center,
but
I
think
it.
A
One
of
the
discussion,
one
of
the
discussion
items
here
has
been
that
the
extent
to
which
the
time
that
the
police
put
in
on
calls
will
be
diminished
as
a
result
of
this
alternative
model.
Do
you
know
what
the
experience
and
one
of
the
questions
is?
Will
Mental,
Health
Providers
actually
be
able
to
answer
calls
themselves,
or
will
they
still
need
an
officer
and
will
there
actually
really
be
a
reduction
in
terms
of
the
time
demands
on
police
officers?
O
Yeah
I
think
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
are
seeing
that
there
is
a
lot
less
police
time
spent
on
this
and
I
I.
Think
that's
why
we're
we're
getting
the
Whispers
and
responses.
We
are
especially
out
of
Denver,
because
I
think
it's
much
easier
for
office
officers
to
show
up
on
scene
and
get
the
the
real
experts
so
to
speak,
involved
and
and
have
them
handle
things,
and
that's
definitely
where
the
the
money
savings
that
that
that
one
study
conducted
in
Eugene
found
are
coming
from
is
is
police
time.
O
This
is
actually
something
that
we
would
really
like
to
another
in
our
list
of
things
that
we
would
really
like
our
science
team
to
do
research
on
the
actual
reduction
in
officer
hours
and
how
much
that
costs,
but
I
think
pretty
much
across
the
board.
There's
a
reduction
in
officer
hours.
This
is
some
mental
health
calls
tend
to
be
very
long
calls
and
and
stressful
for
officers
as
well
and
I.
Think
every
jurisdiction
is
seeing
a
lot
less
officer
response
again
in
Denver.
O
A
Thank
you.
That's
something
interesting,
it's
not
what
we've
heard
from
other
discussions.
So
it's
helpful
to
know
that
I
want
to
ask
you
another
question
with
regard
to
you
we're
talking
about
pre-arrest
diversion,
and
you
said
that
there
tends
to
be
bias
in
diversions.
Can
you
explain
that
a
bit
more.
O
Yeah,
so
there's
been
a
lot
and
we
do
get
into
this
in
the
paper
a
little
in
a
little
bit
more
depth
as
well
and
and
I'm
bad
with
numbers.
So
I
won't
be
able
to
quote
the
numbers
at
you,
but
but
one
of
the
issues
with
diversion
broadly
and
Divergent.
Every
step
of
the
process
is
that
we
do
see
discrepancies
by
race
in
terms
of
who
gets
included
in
diversion
or
who
gets
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
diversion.
O
And
so
one
of
the
ways
that
we
that,
like
we've,
come
up
with
there's
not
there's.
There
really
aren't
very
many
places,
doing
mandatory
considerations
for
diversion,
but
it's
our
suggestion
in
order
to
lower
the
racial
discrepancies
in
who
gets
diversion
available
like
who,
for
whom
diversion
is
available
to.
O
C
O
A
Thank
you
so
much
to
both
of
you
for
being
here.
We
really
appreciate
it
and
thank
you,
commissioner
councilor
McGee,
also
for
being
here
and
I,
just
want
to
reiterate
that
part
of
the
commission's
role
is
helping
to
educate
the
community
around
public
safety
issues,
and
we
felt
that
this
was
timely
to
have
given
that
we
really
are
on
the
verge
of
embarking
on
this.
So
thank
you
all
and
thank
you
thanks
to
everybody
for
the
discussion.
A
I
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Seguino
I
have
been
beat
the
indomitable
Muhammad,
who
has
been
working
with
me
Kuwait
diligently,
and
we
have
made
some
progress
towards
getting
the
website.
Burlington
Police
commission
website
it's
moving
right,
I
mean
we
are
making
some
we're
making
some
progress.
I
met
with
Scott
Parker,
who
is
the
chief
Innovative
officer,
Innovation
officer,
a
City
of
Burlington,
Mohammed
and
I
met,
and
we
have
a
blueprint
to
start
with
and
what
I
need
from.
You
is
a
personal
photograph
and
Muhammad.
I
You
took
some
photographs
today,
so
we
are
going
to
at
least
start
with
a
very
simple
front
page
when
we're
we're
also
looking
for
a
very
short
biography
of
each
of
you,
a
photograph
and
a
very
short
biography,
two
to
three
sentences.
Maybe,
and
then
we
will,
we
will
at
least
launch
it
within
the
next
month
or
so.
I
If
we
get
all
the
information,
commissioner,
seguino
and
I
will
also
have
to
write
down
a
description
of
what
our
goals
and
not
goals,
responsibilities
are,
which
seems
to
be
shape-shifting,
so
I
think
what
we
will
do
is
come
up
with
some
bullet
points.
Share
it
with
you
to
at
least
have
a
linear
information
out
there
for
the
public.
Is
there
anything
else
to
add
Muhammad
beyond
what
I
have
just
just
mentioned
today?
Is
there
any
other
information
we
need.
G
I
A
Thank
you,
and
just
for
the
public
it'll
be
a
place
where
we
can
we'll
post
agenda
to
the
meeting.
I
think
it
probably
would
be
good
to
post
the
link
to
CCTV
recording
of
the
meeting
and
so
forth.
If
you
look
at
other
civilian
oversight
bodies,
they
tend
to
have
all
of
that
information
in
one
place,
so
I
think
it'll
help
us
do
a
job
of
informing
the
public
about
what
we're
doing.
I
A
I
We
haven't
actually
gotten
to
the
part
of
having
like
a
more
sub-linking.
You
know,
like
the
little
other
there's
a
main
page,
and
there
are
other
subsidiary
pages.
I
think
we
will
have
to
at
some
point
sit
down
with
Mr
Barker
and
figure
out
how
to
do
that
and
what
would
be
that
additional
resources
that
we
can
put
on.
So
all
you
know
all
the
documents,
all
the
educational
aspect.
Actually
that's
a
great
idea,
so
Muhammad
sure
we
could
definitely
work
on
that.
So.
A
The
department
avails
itself
of
in
conducting
investigations
of
complaints,
use
of
force
and
use
of
force
incidents,
provided
that
the
information
wouldn't
violate
state
or
federal
law,
an
active
court
order
or
violated
an
agreement
between
the
state
or
federal
law
enforcement
agency,
and
so
that
was
the
guidance
we
gave
to
the
City
attorney
Jared
Pellerin.
He
is
working
with
Chief
Murad
to
develop
a
draft
and
we
will
work
that
through.
A
One
other
piece
of
information
in
in
line
with
my
conversation
with
this
attorney's
McLennan
and
parent
Pellerin
came
the
discussion
of
recording
executive
sessions
and
City
attorney.
Mclennan
mcclenahan
told
me
that
it's
actually
quite
common
to
record
executive
session
meetings.
They
are
equivalent
to
notes
and
therefore
they
are
exempt
from
four-year
requests
and
so
forth,
and
so
we
will.
A
One
of
the
issues,
of
course
is
because
if
there
are
meetings
on
complaints
and
there's
a
different
memory
with
regard
to
what
happens
and
during
these
meetings
there's
a
difference
of
opinion
of
what
was
said.
What
was
agreed
upon,
we
will
have
a
recorded
recorded
sessions
and
they
will
be
kept
in
a
a
more
secure
area
on
the
SharePoint
site
that
Mohammed
and
I
will
work
out.
A
A
I'm
going
to
just
say
that
we'll
probably
work
this
out,
I
I,
think
that's
a
good
question
and
what
you're
saying
is,
for
example,
how
long
will
these
be
retained
and
so
forth?
I
think
it's
something
that's
a
good
question
and
we
should
think
about
that
I
I.
My
sense
is
that
if
the
executive
sessions
are
covering
complaints
that
have
not
yet
been
resolved,
we
need
to
retain
them,
but
it
would
seem
to
me
if
they
cover
complaints
that
have
already
been
resolved.
Then
we
don't
need
them
anymore.
A
Yeah,
okay,
moving
on
to
item
5.08,
use
of
force
reports
and
again
I'm
just
going
to
say
a
few
things
for
the
public
that
this
is
a
relatively
new
process
on
the
commission
about
a
year
and
a
half
I
think
commissioner
Grant
maybe
recalls
but
use
of
force.
Reports
are
now
all
reported
to
the
commission
on
a
monthly
basis.
We
get
a
brief
synopsis
and
the
public
can
see
these
reports
and
they
are
brought
to
the
commission.
If
the
commission
has
concerns
about
any
of
the
incidents,
we
can
request
to
look
into
them
further.
A
We
can
request
the
body
warning
camera
videos
to
review
ourselves.
I
will
say
that
these
are
brief
synopsis,
so
this
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
thoroughly
reviewed
every
use
of
force
incident.
We
can
only
go
by
the
information
that
is
given
to
us
in
these
reports,
so
it
doesn't
suggest
that
we
are
approving.
If
you
will,
every
use
of
force
incident.
This
is,
is
just
a
mechanism
for
us
to
be
able
to
look
into
those
that
we
think
may
be
a
cause
for
concern.
A
So
with
that
we
have
three
use
of
force
reports
for
the
for
the
last
half
of
December.
We
got
the
reports
for
the
first
half
of
December
at
our
December
meeting,
so
we
have
those
for
last
half
of
December,
all
of
January
and
all
of
February,
so
I'd
like
to
ask
Commissioners
if
they
have
any
questions
or
concerns
about
these
and
would
like
to
ask
for
any
videos
to
be
reviewed.
So
let
me
start
with
the
December
report.
D
A
Anybody
else
for
December
use
of
force
report
just
a
a
moment
here
we
have
talked
about
asking
individual
Commissioners
to
take
responsive
primary
responsibility
for
reviewing
videos.
We
all
will
get
them,
but
if
somebody
takes
the
lead
on
them,
that
will
be
helpful
for
us
and
so
once
I
have
the
list
I'll
see
if
I
can
ask
people
to
volunteer
to
take
the
lead
on
reviewing
the
videos.
So,
with
regard
to
January
of
2023,
commissioner
Garrison,
you
had
others,
commissioner
Grant.
A
A
Okay,
if
I
will
the
Chiefs
are
on
February
break,
but
I
will
convey
this
by
Friday
to
D.C
lebreck.
So
if
you
have
additional
use
of
force
incidents
that
you'd
like
videos
on
please
just
email
me
before
Friday
and
I'd
like
to
this-
is
one
thing:
one
should
never
do
as
a
former
Professor
is
ad-lib
here,
but
I'm
going
to
add
lib
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight.
There
are
nine
incidents
and
there
are
seven
commissioners
I
am
going
to.
A
A
December
number
six
Kevin
Garrison
number
nine.
Commissioner
Keefe
number
13,
commissioner
Rao
number
three.
Commissioner
seguino
number
eight.
Commissioner
Comerford.
Let
me
ask
commissioner
oski
you
comfortable
sure:
let's
do
this
for
you.
It
would
be
the
video
two
from
January
incident
number
two
from
January
and
we'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
tutorial
on
some
of
the
mechanics
of
this.
K
A
Typically,
we
won't
be
communicating
with
the
Chiefs
about
these
until
our
next
meeting,
but
if
each
of
you
who
is
responsible
for
a
video
I,
would
just
ask
that
you
would
write
a
summary
brief
summary
and
in
particular,
what
we
want
to
do
is
to
alert
other
Commissioners.
If
you
think
that
there's
something
really
substantive
here
to
be
seen,
because
there
often
are
a
lot
of
videos
of
we
don't
have
enough
person
power
to
really
review
them
all.
A
D
A
It's
right
too
yeah
exactly
we'll
all
get
the
videos
we
commissioned
Grant.
Just
one
moment
we
in
the
past,
DC
lebreck
has
only
released
them
and
they
expire
after
three
days
and
that's
been
a
challenge,
because
if
it's
during
the
work
week,
some
of
us
don't
have
the
chance
to
do
that.
We'd
certainly
like
to
extend
that
but
I.
If,
if
you
don't
get
to
see
it
within
three
days,
if
it
expires,
then
please
just
let
me
know
and
I
will
ask
and
when
I
do
ask
DC
lebreck.
A
E
E
It
could
include
if
multiple
officers
on
the
scene,
it
can
include
things
from
different
angles
and
include
information
that
can
be
helpful
when
looking
at
the
incident
and
when
looking
at
multiple
videos,
each
video
is
going
to
have
its
own
number
related
to
the
incident.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
great
thank.
I
I
A
Think
that,
now
that
we
have
a
SharePoint
site,
I
think
people
can
submit
to
Muhammad
and
copy
me
and
he
will
post
it
we'll
work
on
a
spot
on
the
SharePoint
site.
For
these
use
of
force
discussions
great,
we
are
still
evolving
I'm.
Just
commissioner
oski
were
our
work
is
expanded
and
we're
continuing
to
try
to
refine
our
processes,
and
this
one
is
is
in
process.
Commissioner
Comfort.
This.
C
A
A
G
Yeah
sure
so
the
commission
received
to
recommendations
from
the
police
department.
The
first
one
is
a
resident
road
to
Chief
Murad,
saying
my
wife
and
I
want
to
command
officer
power.
A
couple
days
ago,
officer
Brewer
came
to
our
door
to
return
a
license
plate
the
ad
been
removed
from
the
front
of
our
car
and
attach
it
to
a
stolen
vehicle
by
someone
who
subsequently
committed
various
crimes
in
the
neighborhood.
G
Thanks
to
his
priest's
servants,
he
was
able
to
determine
that
we
were
not
involved
in
any
way
in
the
crimes
and
was
kind
enough
to
go
out
of
his
way
to
return
our
license
plate
to
us.
He
was
very
professional
and
courteous
in
our
presence
and
obviously
he
is
a
real
asset
to
the
board.
The
department,
the
second
one
another
Resident
wanted
to
commend
a
community
officer
young.
G
They
said
the
community
officer
young
responded
after
another
driver
rear-ended,
my
car
yesterday
he
was
sure
myself
and
other
driver
were
okay
and
professionally
handled
the
situation
while
completing
the
police
report.
He
informed
us
of
next
steps
and
reassured
us,
even
as
we
were
quite
shaken
after
the
ordeal,
CSO,
Young's,
professionalism,
kindness
and
community
treatment
to
service
came
through
strong
during
my
interaction
with
him.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
him
again
and
also
let
his
superiors
know
about
this
very
positive
interaction.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
just
want
to
remind
the
public
that
part
of
our
job
is
oversight,
but
it
is
also
to
share
the
successes
of
the
police
department
and
these
accommodations
go
towards
that
goal.
So
thank
you
Muhammad.
So
this
brings
us
to
item
7.01.
Commissioner
updates
and
comments.
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
are
slightly
over
on
time
and
we
do
have
an
executive
session,
but
I'd
like
to
afford
any
commissioner
to
provide
any
updates
or
comments
that
they
would
like
to
at
this
time.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
I
want
to
then
move
to
enter
executive
session
pursuant
to
one
VSA
313
A4,
to
discuss
disciplinary
actions
against
employees.
That
is
emotion.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion,
commissioner
Garrison,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
into
executive
session.
Please
raise
your
hand,
commissioner.
Grant
did
you
want
to
vote
I
on
moving
into
executive
session?
I
didn't
see
your
hand,
okay,
it's
unanimous.
A
So
thank
you
be
just
want
to
note
that
when
we
go
into
executive
session
we
won't
be
making
any
decisions
when
we
come
out
of
executive
session
and
therefore
the
meeting
will
conclude
once
the
executive
session
is
over
so
I'd
like
a
motion
to
adjourn
this
portion
of
our
meeting
commissioner
Rao
seconded
by
commissioner
Comerford,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
all
so
much
we
will
convene
in
the
Sharon
butcher
room
in
about
10
minutes
Muhammad.
Is
that
correct
the
Sharon
busha
room.