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Burlington City Council 2/21/23 Agenda:
1. Call to Order, 00:00
2. Agenda, 00:33
3. Howard Center Street Outreach Team, 1:20
4. Public Forum, 1:04:15
5. City Council Mayor Presiding, 1:35:50
6. Board of Civil Authority, 1:47:37
7. Climate Emergency Reports, 1:49:02
8. Consent Agenda, 1:52:00
9. Trudo et al. vs City of Burlington et al., 1:52:57
10. Ordinance: Trinity Campus Overlay ZA-22-04, 2:03:52
11. Ordinance: ZA-23-02 Inclusionary Zoning, 2:48:51
12. Preliminary Short Term Rental Report, 3:38:30
13. Communication: Proposition Zero, 4:03:59
14. Adjourn, 4:38:54
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So
good
evening
to
anyone
who
is
watching
us
remotely
and
to
the
few
people
that
are
here
for
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
in
contos
we're
going
to,
we
are
going
to
open
the
meeting
downstairs
in
the
butcher
room
and
then
do
the
presentation
from
the
Howard
Center
Street
Outreach
team,
the
executive
sessions,
and
then
we
will
come
back
upstairs,
but
it
will
all
be
televised
as
if
we
were
in
this
room.
We
just
won't
be
in
this
room.
So
we'll
move
ourselves
downstairs.
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C
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F
Impression
of
people
in
the
downtown
area
was
that
there
were
a
lot
of
people
living
in
Burlington
in
the
downtown
area
who
were
not
connected
to
Services,
who
were
in
need
of
services,
who
you
know,
if
only
they
knew
where
X
was,
then
they
would
go,
get
that
service
and
and
I,
and
there
really
was
like
a
lot
of
like
genuine
concern
for
for
people's
welfare.
There
was
some
elderly
people
who
were
living
on
benches.
There
were
people,
blurringly,
psychotic
and
really.
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F
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F
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F
So
Matt
was
able
to
hire
staff,
I
ended
up
being
one
of
them
and
we
were
able
to
kind
of
expand.
What
the
program
did
at
that
time.
You
know
we
would
spend.
We
would
sort
of
like
post
up
on
church
and
Cherry
which
at
that
time
was
where
all
the
buses
got
off.
So
it
was
like
Hub
everybody
came
through
to
Cherry.
F
That
was
where
everybody
was,
and
so
we
would
be
there
and
we
would
and
and
the
police
would
be
there
because
they
always
had
two
officers
stationed
downtown
and
we
would
see
it's
not
me
right.
Okay,
you
know,
we
would
see
the
officers
talking
to
people
and
the
officers
would
see
us
talking
to
people
and
eventually
the
officers
would
come
over
and
say
you
know,
I
know
you
can't
I
know.
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F
Would
be
that's
all
right,
so
we
would
be
standing.
You
know
talking
to
people,
police
officers
would
be
talking
to
people,
and
then
you
know
they
would.
They
would
come
over
and
say
you
know.
I
know.
You
can't
tell
me
anything
about
that
person
that
you
were
just
talking,
yeah,
that
you
were
just
talking
to
because
of
HIPAA.
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But
let
me
tell
you
because
I'm
worried
about
this
person.
Okay,
and
so
we
developed
that
kind
of
relationship
where
you
know
they
would
introduce
us
to
people
that
they
thought
might
need
Services.
They
would
share
concerns
about
behaviors.
They
had
seen
the
night
before
or
earlier
in
the
day
and
just
kind
of
working
to
serve
the
same,
because
we
had
a
lot
of.
There
was
a
lot
of
intersection
between
the
people
that
they
encountered
and
the
people
that
we
served
and
there
was
a
concern
about
a
lot
of
times.
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Outreach
Street
Outreach
workers
embedded
within
the
police
department.
So
in
what
that
enabled
us
to
do
was
then
you
know
it
was
a
it
was.
Then
it
formalized
that
relationship.
It
gave
us
a
very
unique
perspective
in
that
we
were,
then
you
know
able
to
be
at
roll
call,
see
incidents
that
came
to
your
valencore
be
able
to
know
what
was
going
on,
and
we
would
also
know
from
the
mental
health
side
what
might
be
going
on
with
the
person.
F
So
what
that
enables
us
to
do
is
to
do
a
lot
more
proactive
intervention,
support
for
people,
and
it
also
allows
us
to
reach
the
whole
other
group
of
people
who
might
not
otherwise
be
served
because
they
are
reaching
out
for
help
thinking.
You
know
like,
for
example,
you
know
if
somebody
is
in
a
manic
episode
or
is
struggling
from
some
kind
of
psychosis.
They
might
not
be
aware
of
that.
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We
also
try
to
be
a
very
neutral
presence.
We
talk
to
everyone
right
when
we're
downtown.
We
and
you
see
us
talking
to
somebody.
We
could
be
talking
to
somebody
who's.
Looking
for
services,
we
talking
to
a
community
member
family
or
friends.
If
someone
who's
looking
for
services,
you
know
we
could
be
talking
to
the
police
officer.
We
could
be
talking
to
a
merchant,
so
the
nice
thing
about
that
is
that
what
it
does?
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F
Week
and
nine
to
four
thirty
two
days
a
week
in
the
fiscal
year,
just
to
give
you
an
idea
about
our
volume
fiscal
year
2022
we
had
about
4
000
contacts
with
roughly
800
unduplicated
individuals
about
2500
of
those
were
in
person.
20
of
that
work
was
either
de-escalation
or
responding
to
a
crisis
and
about
1500
of
them.
100
of
them
were
by
phone
or
like
a
console,
follow-up
kind
of
call.
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F
So
so
we
try
to
be
available,
we'll
try
to
be
ready
and
be
there
when
that
happens.
Also,
we
find
the
best
way
to
do.
Our
work
in
terms
of
assisting
with
de-escalating
people
is
to
have
an
existing
relationship
with
the
person.
It's
much
easier
to
come
from
that
from
a
place
of
of
trust
and
familiarity
than
to
be
this
The
Stranger
who
arrives
on
the
scene,
and
it
helps
us
to
help
the
folks
that
we
work
with
stay
healthy
and
that
we
are
able
to
learn
and
engage.
What
look.
F
What
doing
well
looks
like
for
individuals
so
that
we
can
be
proactive
if
we
start
to
see
that
the
people
that
we're
working
with
are
starting
to
exhibit
signs
of
poor
health,
be
it
physical
or
a
mental
health,
or
you
know
having
a
reoccurrence
of
substance
use
so
that
we
can
off
be
there
to
offer
extra
support
or
intervention.
If
it's
something
that
they're
willing
to
tolerate.
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F
And
it's
also,
you
know
a
good
place
for
us
to
be
to
act
as
a
liaison
between
folks
and
other
community
members
like
Merchants,
who
might
not
understand
the
struggle
that
people
are
going
through,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
promote
a
sense
of
community
and
help
combat
sort
of
defend
US
versus
that
mentality,
which
I
just
want
to
stop.
I'm,
not
trying
to
say
that
Merchants
are
not
inclusive.
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F
So
we
say
when
we're
not
on
call
or
downtime
doing
that,
instead
of
vote
when
we're
off
on
a
call,
we've
been
doing
something
else.
So
a
call
is
when
a
person,
an
individual
calls
for
service
for
themselves
or
a
Community
member,
a
merchant
police
or
a
provider
calls
us
to
a
specific
location
to
assist
a
person,
access
services
or
address
a
mental
health
or
a
social
service
concern
in
the
moment,
and
that
could
be
anywhere
in
Burlington,
I.
Think
a
lot
of
times.
F
That
is
more
of
a
mental
health
or
a
social
service
issue.
They
might
also
call
us
or
email
us
about
an
incident
that
occurred
in
our
off
hours
and
ask
us
to
follow
up
again.
That's
a
lot
of
because
a
lot
of
people
will
call
police
when
they're
looking
for
help
I
think
we've
all
been
kind
of
had
that
ingrained.
You
know
called
9-1-1.
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F
F
You
will
eventually
get
triage
to
us.
Okay
through
the
Howard
website
and
I
think
also
that's
also
what
some
people
might
just
call
the
police,
because
they
know
the
police
with
dispatch
us.
Eventually
we
do
through
the
marketplace
and
through
the
BBA
and
just
through,
like
introducing
ourselves
to
new
merchants,
explain
to
people
and
call
us
as
opposed
to
calling
9-1-1
on
what
kind
of
services
we
can
offer.
But
you're
right,
I
mean
I.
Think,
like
the
city
as
a
whole,
there's
not
like.
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F
F
Or
homicidal
ideation
if
we
can
get
them
to
voluntarily,
go
up
to
the
Ed
and
do
that
and
if
not
we'll
arrange
with
first
call
or
an
involuntary
assessment.
The
assessment
has
to
be
somewhat
cooperatives
but
started
that
process
with
first
call
for
Chittenden
County
to
see
about
like
ee
warrants
and
that
whole
process
and
again.
F
So
so
that's
how
we
would
respond
to
those
kinds
of
things
and
and
Again
by
just
knowing
what
it
looks
like
when
a
person
is
doing
well,
then
we
kind
of
know
when
someone
is
struggling.
We
know
when
we
need
to
apply
to
pull
in
more
Sports
more
interventions,
and
hopefully
we
can
coordinate
a
more
proactive
care
or
treatment
for
a
person
when
they're
in
nature
to
themselves,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
avoid
any
really
invasive
kinds
of
interventions
further
on
down
the
line.
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F
F
Federal
benefits
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
were
being
that
were
expanded
before
during
covid
are
going
to
be
collapsed.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
problem,
the
buses
that
were
great
for
everybody
to
be
able
to
get
around
and
have
a
sense
of
freedom
and
be
able
to
to
be
able
to
get
to
the
clinic
and
to
be
able
to
get
to
therapy.
F
And
you
know
all
these
places
are
not
going
to
be
free
anymore,
and
you
know
eight
dollars
for
a
trip
back
and
forth
to
Saint,
Albans
or
even
three
dollars
a
day.
Crossed
down
for
Burlington
is
pretty
significant
when
you're
living
on
you
know
less
than
800
a
month
so
and
I
see
a
lot
of
people
who
are
currently
only
able
to
access
care
through
the
emergency
system,
either
because
they
let
the
capacity
to
plant.
E
F
You
know
kind
of
in
that
day-to-day
mode,
so
the
idea
of
I'm
gonna
go
to
the
doctors
and
get
preventative.
Care
is
just
not
on
the
table
because
they're
in
a
real
survival
mode
and
the
emergency
system
is
at
capacity
and
not
showing
any
signs
of
that
easing
up
overdoses
or
just
or
climbing,
there's
more
and
more
deadly
and
treatment
resistant
substances.
F
F
One
of
the
challenges
is
that
you
know
like
I
said
in
the
beginning,
the
great
news
is
it's
free,
we
don't
charge
and
we
never
will,
because
if
we
did
become,
you
know,
did
become
a
charge
for
or
be
bill
for
service
thing.
Then
we'd
have
to
do
open
paperwork
and
have
to
be
all
this
taking
them
personal.
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J
F
Certainly,
to
continue
doing
that
is
greatly
appreciated,
and
then
you
know
I
hate,
to
ask,
but
I
mean
anything
else
that
the
city
could
financially
on
that
and
would
be
great
or
you
know,
if
you
know
of
any
grants
for
us
to
apply
for
or
anything
I
mean,
there's
so
much
money.
Do
you
give
in
the
state
City
more
or
less
more
or
less
I
want
to
say
I.
Think
I've
heard
like.
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F
B
B
B
F
F
So
if
a
person
really
needs
like
a
needs
care
service
or
case
management,
type
things,
you
know
someone
to
help
them
see
a
project
through,
but
they're
not
eligible
for
Howard,
Center,
CRT
and
they're
not
eligible
for
you
know,
whatever
all
the
other
programs
that
that
offer
that
service,
then
it's
my
understanding
that
the
CSL
is
book
about
that.
So
to
that
end,
I
mean
we.
F
F
They
get
dispatched
to
something
and
are
like
whoa
whoa.
This
is
like
an
emergent
mental
health
or
social
service.
Need
you
know,
they'll
they'll,
call
us
and
then
we'll
coordinate
some
more
emergency
response
a
minute,
so
I
I
think
that
I
think
there's
plenty
to
go
around
I
do
think.
You
know.
We've
been
working
on
having
that
that
system
be
a
little
smoother
but
that'll.
B
F
F
It
used
to
be
a
bachelor's
position,
bachelor's
level
position
over
the
last
two
or
three
years.
We've
changed
that
to
have
it
be
I,
think
it's
I
mean
it.
It
can
be
two
years
of
education,
yeah
education
and
or
lived
experience.
So
it's
it's
really
more.
Just
taking
the
total
of
that
person's
experience
and
then
seeing
if
it
fits
into
you
know,
do
they
know?
Are
they
familiar
with
Social
Services?
F
Do
they
have
critical
thinking
skills?
Are
they
do?
They
have
like
the
ability
to
multitask
to
kind
of
change
hats
on
a
dime?
Do
they
have
experience
with
substance,
use
disorder
treatment?
Do
they
have
experience
serving
homeless
populations?
Do
they
have
any
experience
working
with
children
crisis?
Do
they
have
de-escalation
skills
training?
Do
they
have.
G
F
Because
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
do
is
kind
of
acute,
so
it's
not
really
fair
or
safe
to
say
that
we're
going
to
take
somebody
who's,
never
done
anything
like
it
before
and
and
we
do
have.
We
do
have
de-escalation
training,
it's
called
therapeutic
options.
Training
we've
started
taking
physical
assault,
defense
systems,
which
is
essentially
a
training
for
us,
so
that
we
feel
more
comfortable.
E
K
It's
an
important
question
and
one
of
the
the
work
that's
happening
now
since
Jackie
probably
came
on,
and
we
have
this
kind
of
clarity
that
we
have
a
working
model
with
the
state
is
there's
quite
a
bit
of
work
going
on
into
the
trying
to
answer
detailed
questions
exactly
like
this.
How
does
this
new
resource
coordinated
and
interact
with
these
existing
resources
and
to
be
on
the
full
answer
to
that?
Yet
it's
something
that's
very
much
in
more
threats,
not
just
Street
Outreach.
K
F
So
I
I
have
not
been
privy
to
those
conversations
which
I
mean
honestly
kind
of
dizzying,
all
of
the
layers
that
go
into
it,
so
I'm
kind
of
glad,
very
nosy
as
I
know,
as
I
normally
am,
but
what
I
do
anticipate
just
knowing
how
how
systems
work
and
how
they
normally
play
out.
I
believe
that
we
will
still
be
in
the
supporting
the
emergency
support
role.
F
F
Okay,
so
I
mean
I
from
the
way
I've
seen
the
Cahoots
model
being
fleshed
out.
I
think
that
we,
that
street
Outreach
and
yes
that
street
Outreach
will
still
be
kind
of
will
be
the
on
the
ground
support
piece
for
that
and
the
thing
that
will
be
nice
about
that
is
that
they
will
be
the
more
Nimble
emergency
response,
but
that's
going
to
sort
of
like
be
the
top
layer
of
that,
so
we'll
be
here
being
supportive,
so
I
think
it
is
different
and
and
complementary.
F
B
B
F
F
You
know
that's
a
really
emergent
like
somebody's
actively
suicidal
or
homicidal,
then
I
think
calling
first
call
First
is
probably
the
best
route.
Then
they
may
say.
Well,
you
know.
We
know
that
person
and
you
know
we
have
Street
Outreach
come
out
and
kind
of
assess.
What's
going
on
first
or
you
know,
we
don't
have
anybody
right
now,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
Street
Outreach
come
out.
F
O
G
I
Particularly
if
you're,
in
a
situation
where
the
person
you're
with
or
who's
having
the
episode,
doesn't
want
you
to
call
line
or
what,
like
here's,
sort
of
two
steps.
One
is
I
call
9-1-1
and
they
can't
come
right
away
and
then
then
what
do
I
do
or,
conversely,
the
person
maybe
you're
calling
on
behalf
of
really
doesn't
want
you
to
call
9-1-1.
Then
like
Nicole,
Howard
main
number
and
it's
six
o'clock.
L
I
F
The
Howard
Center
website
is
the
way
the
Howard
website
is,
and
I
have
my
own
wishes
about
how
good
how
it's
on
your
website?
Yes-
and
maybe
that's
something
that,
in
you
know,
kind
of
like
a
community
whole
like
maybe
when
the
team
yes
rolled
out,
could
be
something
that
sort
of
comprehensive
about.
E
G
D
I
just
I
mean
I.
Think
for
me,
as
we
continue
to
build
out
these
systems.
You
know.
Obviously
it
sounds
like
sure
it's
just
been
around
since
about
2000,
and
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
you
know
I
think
about
the
police
department.
Do
you
see
out
of
Street
Outreach
various
agencies,
all
sort
of
creating
this
network
of
services,
for
what
is
arguably
oftentimes,
an
extremely
vulnerable
population
and
I?
D
Think
part
of
me
wonders
how
do
we
continue
to
improve
that
system
when
it
is
sort
of
this
mosaic-like
structure
and
then
I
think
in
terms
of
I?
Don't
know
if
regulatory
is
the
right
word,
but
sometimes
it's
hard
for
me
to
figure
out
like
how
do
we
know
what's
helping
and
what's
working,
especially
when
you've
had
of
external
factors
that
are
contributing
to
where
people
are
at
but
then
just
also
given
the
circumstances.
D
D
B
D
That's
like
the
Beyond
endo
and
that
can
get
like
needlessly
bureaucratic
and
just
be
sort
of
like
technical
or
whatever.
But
I
do
just
wonder
and
I
think
you
know,
as
we
were
just
sort
of
talking
about
like
then
there's
going
to
be
like
the
congoose
model
and
then
there's
going
to
be
hardship
and
all
these
things
it's
like.
But
how
do
we
really
figure
out?
D
D
I
also
like
I,
don't
necessarily
believe
that
people
need
to
be
on
that,
but
it's
like
I,
don't
yeah
I!
Think
that
there's
a
lot
of
lack
of
sort
of
even
Comfort
or
light
education
or
there's
a
lot
of
stigma
around
just
people
being
like
expressively.
A
certain
way
that
we're
just
not
sure
people
who
don't
experience
like
outside
of
the
shared
reality
are
like
what
do
I
do
like.
Why
is
that
person
yelling,
because
they
are
seeing
something
that
I'm
not
seeing?
That
makes
me
uncomfortable.
F
G
E
F
Year
we
give
them
to
all
the
providers
that
we
work
with
the
largest
police,
and
then
it
comes
down
to
you
know
trying
to
get
feedback
from
the
people
that
we
work
with
and
I
have
a
hard
time.
Even
like
saying
to
some.
You
know
like
saying
to
someone
like
well
to
give
them
a
survey
and
to
like
imply
that,
like
they're,
my
client,
you
know
what
I
mean,
because
to
them,
I'm
I
am
a
person
that
they
know
that
I
work
for
crhna.
F
Ask
me
a
question
right
and
now,
but
now
they're
getting
this
like
survey
that
I
that
I
mean
it
doesn't
ask
any
disrespectful
questions,
but
then
it
creates
a
weird
dynamic
and,
like
you
said,
like
it
kind
of
insinuates
something
and
even
the
people
who
are
like.
Oh
yeah,
I'd
love
to
I'd
love
to
give
feedback
about
your
work.
Then
you
always
wonder:
well.
Are
you
giving
that
feedback?
F
F
I
have
never
really
I
mean
we
do.
We
do
client
surveys
every
year,
but
I
I'm
always
sort
of
like
half-hearted
about
it,
because
I'm
not
sure
of
what
it's
actually
collecting
and
it
doesn't
capture
everybody,
because
a
lot
of
the
people
that
we
work
with,
don't
don't
they
hadn't
in
their
experience,
they
had
an
interaction
with
us
right.
I
might
see
that
I
help
them
get
to
shelter
or
I,
helped
them
when
they're
in
the
middle
of
a
psychotic
episode
and
but
they
their
experiences.
F
That
I
was
just
a
person,
can't
tell
them
and
I'm
not
going
to
get
in
the
middle
of
telling
them
that
that
wasn't
the
experience
they
had
right.
So
then,
how
do
you
capture
that
feedback?
Because
what
would
that
even
look
like?
Why
would
you
say
to
somebody
that
you
just
helped
across
the
street?
Give
me?
Can
you
give
me
some
feedback
about
how
I
helped
you
cross
the
street?
Well,
that
would
be
weird,
so
I
yeah.
D
D
D
I
hear
you
saying
you
know,
meeting
people
where
they're
at
I
think
really
truly
meets
people
where
they're
at
I
think
some
of
it
is
so
much
just
what
you
just
know.
This
there's
not
enough
funding,
which
is
extremely
frustrating
and
it's
just
something
that
would
continue
to
Grapple
with
and
I
think
mental
health
work.
But
but.
J
D
D
F
And
that's
the
thing
so
I
have
to
say
that's
something.
One
thing
that
we've
another
like
kind
of
just
mini
challenge
that
we've
had
this
year
is
there
are
so
many
there
are
so
many
people
who
are
using
meth
and
opioids
in
a
more
public
fashion
than
Burlington
has
ever
experienced
before
and
I
think
you
know,
people
were
used
to
seeing
people
publicly
inebriated
right
people
be
like,
oh,
that
guy's
drunk
whatever
he's
drunk
it's
fine
making
me
drunk
I'm,
not
worried
about
that,
but
when
people.
F
See
that
guy
over
there
do
you
see
what
they're
doing
they're
like
he's?
Okay,
like
that
he's
he's,
Pi
he's
excited
I.
Think
if
that's
that's
what
he's
experiencing
and
he's
all
right,
you
know
and
like
maybe
we'll
monitor,
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
start
to
OD,
but
to
even
just
have
that
like
to
get
people
to
realize
that
that,
in
addition
to
people
experiencing
reality
different
than
others
or
being
neurodivergent
and
just
reacting
to
stimuli
differently
than
others,
you
know.
D
That,
like
some
people,
engage
in
because
that's
where
they're
at
and
it's
I
never
know
exactly
what
to
say
in
response
to
those
emails,
because
I
think
there
is
just
so
much
stigma
about
it,
and
then
there
is
sort
of
this.
Coupled
with
that,
this
sort
of
behavior,
right
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
to
say
to
be
like
it's.
It's
not
really
like
you're,
not
in
danger
in.
F
F
D
D
L
R
B
I
F
I
F
I
F
F
F
F
E
J
F
F
F
C
F
F
G
A
F
I
F
A
A
A
A
A
My
apologies
just
had
to
get
on
to
onto
Zoom
so
that
we
can
have
our
have
anyone
who's
joining
us
remotely
be
able
to
speak.
Thank
you
again
for
your
patience.
We
will
begin
our
public
forum
and
before
we
do
just
a
few
pieces
of
information,
the
system
on
the
table
in
front
of
us
has
three
lights.
A
green
one
will
shine
when
you
begin
speaking.
The
second
is
a
yellow
light
which
will
show
when
you
have
30
seconds
left
and
then
the
last
is
a
red
light.
A
A
So
if
you
wish
to
speak
in
person,
if
you're
here
in
contos,
you
can
go
to
my
right
in
the
back
of
the
room,
there
are
pieces
of
paper
just
fill
one
out
and
give
them
to
Sarah
chalori,
and
they
will
give
give
that
to
me
if
you
wish
to
via
Zoom,
you
can
do
that.
There
is
a
link
on
Burlington
VT
back
forward,
slash
city
council
forward,
slash
public
forum
and
a
form
will
come
up
when
you
when
you
go
to
that
link.
A
Please
complete
the
form
and
your
answers
will
come
into
a
spreadsheet
that
I'm
actually
looking
at
on
my
computer
and
that
way
I
can
know
that
you're
in
know
that
you
want
to
speak.
Ed
has
it
has
has
always
been
our
practice
or
certainly
in
in
has
been
our
practice
of
late.
Burlington
residents
will
have
first
priority.
A
In
speaking,
so
we
will
go
to
Burlington
residents
that
are
here
in
contoi's
first
and
then
we
will
go
to
Burlington
residence
online,
then
back
to
contoice
to
non-burlington
Residence
in
person
and
then
back
to
our
online
non-burlington
residents
who
are
joining
us
via
Zoom.
We
only
have
one
request,
and
that
is
other
than
keeping
to
the
time
limit
that
during
public
forum
we
ask
that
you,
please
speak
to
us
respectfully,
as
we
will
to
you
and
to
direct
your
comments
to
me
as
the
chair
and
not
to
anyone
else
at
this
table.
A
Please
do
not
personalize
your
comments.
We
we
do
know-
and
we
have
at
times
had
families
that
come
to
Contours
to
engage
with
us
at
Council
meetings.
It
is
their
way
of
working
to
encourage
their
children
to
be
a
part
of
Civic
engagement,
and
we
know
that
there
are
people
who
watch
Us
online.
So
please
try
to
keep
that
in
mind,
and
we
also
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
and
it's
a
whole
lot
easier
for
us
to
listen.
T
Thank
you,
president
Paul
and
members
of
the
council.
My
name
is
Jessica
osky
and
I
have
applied
for
a
seat
on
the
police.
Commission
I
moved
to
Burlington
in
1982
to
go
to
UVM
and
have
been
a
resident
ever
since,
but
for
a
three-year
Hiatus
to
go
to
law
school
for
the
past
30
years,
I've
been
a
lawyer
and
a
lobbyist,
including
five
years
as
an
assistant
City
attorney
serving
with
the
honorable
counselor
Bergman
I
love,
Burlington
and
I
care,
deeply
about
the
people,
the
neighborhoods,
the
schools,
the
shops
and
restaurants.
T
The
lake
and
Parks
I
raised
my
son
here,
13
years
through
Burlington
schools.
Thank
you
for
considering
my
application
to
join
the
Burlington.
Police
commission
I
see
the
role
of
a
commissioner
as
an
opportunity
to
support
the
success
of
the
Burlington
Police
Department
and
to
be
an
active
participant
in
reimagining.
T
The
future
of
policing
in
Burlington
I
believe
that
everyone
in
Burlington
has
a
right
to
feel
safe,
whether
their
homeowners
renters
people
without
homes,
new
residents,
long-time
residents,
business
owners,
students
or
visitors
and
the
Burlington
Police
Department,
is
just
one
piece
of
that
safety
puzzle
me.
A
successful
Burlington,
Police
Department
is
one
that
promotes
safety,
builds
trust,
collaboration
and
legitimacy
throughout
the
city
is
self-aware,
is
fair
and
impartial,
is
constantly
improving
and
is
accountable
to
the
community.
T
A
A
U
U
U
So
I
urge
all
of
you
to
exercise
your
right
to
vote
and
to
support
the
important
work
of
election
inspectors
together.
We
can
ensure
that
democracy
remains
strong
and
vibrant
for
generations
to
come
and
I'm
sorry
to
personalize
it
a
little
bit
there
chair.
My
name
is
Miguel
Lozano
from
Santa
Fe
Albuquerque
New
Mexico
I
did
not
come
to
Burlington
Vermont
to
get
a
piece
of
the
pie
with
the
help
of
the
community,
the
council
and
by
the
grace
of
God
I'm
here
to
create
the
pie
that
everyone
will
want.
A
piece
of
thank
you.
A
V
Thank
you
Madam
president
counselors
mayor,
the
administrative
team
I
just
wanted
to
be
here
today
just
to
thank
you
guys
for
the
work
you
all
do.
I
know
it's
a
very
thankless
job
and
a
very
busy
job
to
have
I
do
understand
the
importance
of
Civic
engagement
and
importance
of
delivering
what
the
people
are
asking
for
at.
W
For
the
last
few
years,
I've
seen
how
you
all
pretend
to
care
about
the
people
who
have
been
killed
by
police
elsewhere,
while
at
the
same
time
you
continue
to
dehumanize
me
and
people
like
me,
the
survivors,
you
throw
us
away,
you
treat
us
like
crap,
you
tell
us
it's
our
fault,
you
do
all
sorts
of
horrible
things
and
yet
I'm
even
worse
off.
You
know
why,
because
the
police
they
continue
to
beat
me
up.
W
Well,
you
continue
to
support
things
like
torture.
Our
children
are
being
murdered,
number
one
death
and
yet
you're
more
concerned
about
a
war
with
Russia
you're
more
concerned
about
spending
money
on
death
weapons
than
fixing
our
roads.
Then
fixing
our
schools
fixing
the
problems
in
our
culture.
You
want
to
ban
Tick
Tock,
but
you
don't
want
to
do
anything
about
fake
book
which
led
the
way
to
messing
our
children
up.
W
A
X
A
climate
emergency
in
2000
in
2019,
the
Declaration
calls
for
the
city
to
be
net
carbon
neutral
by
2050..
So
let's
take
a
look
at
the
McNeil
plan.
From
that
perspective,
the
wood
burning
McNeil
plant
generates
over
400
000
tons
of
CO2
per
year.
It's
the
largest
single
source
of
CO2
production
in
Vermont.
Mcneil
only
acknowledges
a
tiny
fraction
of
the
400
000
tons
when
figuring
their
carbon
footprint,
because
they
consider
wood
to
be
a
renewable
resource.
X
Trees
require
80
to
100
years
to
reach
maturity
in
Vermont,
while
McNeil
gets
most
of
its
wood
from
the
parts
of
trees
that
are
not
useful
to
the
lumber
industry.
This
still
requires
the
harvesting
of
whole
trees
to
create
the
so-called
waste
product
that
is
chipped
and
burned
by
McNeil.
The
net
result
is
a
large
reduction
of
the
carbon
absorption
capabilities
of
forests
in
Vermont
and
New
York
from
today,
until
2050.
X
Only
about
15
percent
of
the
CO2
absorption
capabilities
lost
by
the
forests
harvested
during
this
period
for
McNeil
will
have
been
renewed.
At
the
same
time,
McNeil
will
emit
at
least
10
million
800
000
tons
of
CO2,
not
very
renewable,
not
in
that
in
that
time
frame.
Mcneil's
Renewable
Power
also
allows
it
to
sell
renewable
energy
credits.
This
green
washing
enables
others
to
continue
to
operate
their
own
dirty
facilities,
while
McNeil
continues
to
run.
X
It's
fair
to
say
that
McNeil
is
probably
among
the
worst
options
for
power
generation
when
it
comes
to
climate
impact,
worse
even
than
fossil
fuels
that
don't
rely
on
forests
and
don't
sell
renewable
energy
credits
with
full
accounting
of
the
impact
of
McNeil.
The
city
will
not
come
close
to
meeting
the
20
50
goals
of
the
climate
emergency
declaration.
If
it
continues
to
operate,
big
deal
is
planned
and
the
carbon
tax
and
District
energy
projects
will
only
make
things
worse.
Thank
you.
A
H
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jake
Schumann.
Thank
you,
counselors
and
president
Paul
I
would
like
to
speak
about
the
Trinity
campus
Redevelopment
and
I
would
like
to
encourage
Council
to
table
the
discussion
until
the
University
of
Vermont.
Has
a
memorandum
of
understanding
signed
with
the
city
I'd
like
to
say
that
one
of
the
primary
reasons
why
housing
is
unaffordable
in
our
city
is
because
our
renters
are
a
captive
Market,
there's
not
enough
housing
and
the
housing
stock
is
concentrated
into
far
too
few
hands.
S
S
S
Y
Voting
I
I
also
had
in
my
mailbox
today
mailing
a
posting
question
Seven
calling
it
an
experiment
was
was
the
2015
about
question
and
experiment.
We
call
that
progress
and
it's
not
an
experiment.
It's
progress,
the
same
sort
of
apply
to
ballot
question,
seven
that
we
have
on
how
meeting
day
it's
it's,
not
an
experiment.
It's
progress
and
I
I
realized
that
some
of
you,
it's
not
as
urgent
to
reform
the
police
to
put
some
oversight,
but
for
a
lot
of
us
this
is
a
life
and
death
situation.
Y
We
need
this.
Let's
make
progress,
we
have
not
made
that
we've
been
promised
that,
but
we
haven't.
Finally,
I
want
to
thank
the
majority
of
you
who
signed
the
petition
for
prop
zero
and
for
people
who
oppose
it.
I
wish
they
would
just
be
more
honest
that
they
don't
want
direct
democracy
instead
of
trying
to
confuse
the
voters
with
legal
lease
concern,
as
you
can
see
from
the
city
attorney's
memo.
It's
not.
This
is
not
not
a
huge
deal,
everybody
else
in
Vermont.
Y
P
P
Students
strongly
disagree
with
UVM
Administration
and
their
policy
of
infinite
growth.
Uvm
has
made
the
policy
choice
to
Warehouse
us
and
practice
in
in
like
sardines.
In
addition
to
this
off-campus
housing
crisis,
UVM
is
manufacturing
and
on-campus
one
as
well,
and
I
really
encourage
and
UVA.
If
we
rezone
Trinity
UVM
will
not
stop,
UVM
will
just
simply
push
it
more
and
more
and
more,
as
we've
seen
with
their
with
their
just
rampant
desire
for
growth
having
the
ideology
of
a
cancer
cell.
P
If
we,
this
can
have
drastic
impacts
on
the
City
of
Burlington
as
a
whole
skyrocketing
Event
prices
hurting
and
hurting
students.
We
don't
students,
we
do
not
want
Trinity
to
be
rezoned
without
an
enrollment
cap.
Thank
you
and
to
and
to
end
and
any
attempt
by
the
UV
Administration
to
claim
otherwise
is
lying
to
be
quite
honest
and
I
sincerely
hope
you
all
table
this
until
there's
a
memorandum
understanding.
Thank
you.
So
much
have
a
great
evening.
Thank.
A
O
O
The
first
item
is
inclusionary
zoning
and
that
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
you
add
to
the
draft
language
square
footage
for
three
and
four
bedroom
units.
Initially
there
was
a
a
statement
that
no
families
really
needed
those
affordable
units,
but
that's
really
not
true,
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
can
be
amended.
O
The
trouble
for
me
with
the
inclusionary
zoning
is
the
Genesis
of
this.
The
fact
that
there
may
be
a
developer
who
wants
to
create
student
housing
in
our
downtown
and
I
I,
really
feel
that
this
once
was
our
Marketplace.
It
once
was
vibrant
and
had
commercial
and
Retail
and
some
housing,
and
we
wanted
to
enhance
that
mix,
but
I
feel
that
I
just
want
to
caution.
Everybody
that
I
feel
that
that
that
scale
is
now
tipping
and
pretty
soon
all
of
the
property
tax
burden
will
be
on
residential
units,
renters
and
Property
Owners
alike.
O
I'm
very
concerned
about
that.
The
second
thing
is,
it's
been
spoken
about
quite
a
bit.
I've
asked
that
you
consider
tabling
the
Trinity
overlay,
and
the
reason
I
did
is
because
I,
like
others,
want
an
honest
and
Frank
discussion
with
UVM
Administration
about
capping
their
enrollment,
because
adding
Camp
on-campus
housing
for
undergrad
students
will
help
UVM
and
ultimately
harm
our
city
and
make
the
housing
crisis
worse.
O
A
Thank
you
Sharon.
Our
next
speaker
is
Milo
Grant
to
be
followed
by
Ashley,
Adams
and
Milo.
I
have
found
you
and
enabled
your
microphone.
Please
go
ahead
before
you
do.
There
is
someone
who
has
raised
their
hand,
Bob
bhutani.
We
will
come
back.
We
will
go
to
you
last
so
just
so
that
you're
aware
that
I
have
seen
your
hand
raised,
go
ahead.
Milo.
Z
Hi,
thank
you.
President
Paul
I
just
want
to
agree
with
what
Jake
Schumann
said
about
UVM
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
an
mou
with
them.
I
want
everyone
to
think
about
the
fact
that
they
currently,
as
we
all
know,
have
to
house
their
freshmen
and
sophomores
on
campus
30
of
those
students
are
housed
in
triples
30
percent.
Z
Z
We
have
previously
had
her
on
the
police
commission
the
things
that
she
talked
about
where
some
of
the
of
the
funds
around
that
were
provided
for
covid
for
housing,
free
busing,
and
these
other
things
are
going
to
create
a
park,
that's
storm
for
us,
so
we
really
need
to
start
thinking
and
planning
in
a
better
way
than
we
are.
You
know
really
thinking
about
deadlines
and
goals
in
order
to
get
all
these
so
other
supporting
resources
up
and
going.
Z
L
L
L
All
sorts
of
noise
in
the
background,
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
was
I'm
here
tonight,
to
urge
residents
to
vote
no
on
ballot
question
two:
the
carbon
impact
fee
item.
If
you
care
about
the
climate
emergency,
your
first
instinct
will
be
to
vote
Yes,
because
the
question
asks
voters
to
allow
the
city
to
impose
a
fee
on
fossil
fuel
heating
systems
in
new
buildings
and
large
existing
commercial
and
industrial
buildings.
However,
the
question
is
extremely
misleading.
L
It
excludes
and
therefore
incentivizes
renewable
heating
systems,
but
it
doesn't
inform
voters
that
what
this
city
defines
as
renewable
you
and
I
might
think
that
renewable
means
heating
sources
that
do
not
increase
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
However,
as
with
that
so-called
Net
Zero
Energy
plan
Burlington
defines
renewable
as
including
wood,
including
wood
burned
at
McNiel
biomass
plant,
as
well
as
so-called
renewable
gas
and
biodiesel
incentivizing.
L
These
types
of
carbon
intensive,
polluting
fuels
will
increase
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
adversely
affect
public
health
and
impara
Forest,
but
biodiversity
burning
wood
emits
more
carbon
dioxide
per
unit
of
energy
than
any
fossil
fuel,
including
coal.
It
emits
other
air
pollutants
that
are
harmful
to
human
health
and
it
causes
destruction
and
impairment
of
the
biodiversity
of
our
forests.
L
The
McNeil
plant
is
the
largest
stationary
source
of
greenhouse
gas
and
other
harmful
air
pollutants
in
Vermont
emitting
453
347
tons
of
CO2
in
2021
per
the
EPA,
that
is,
the
equivalent
of
88
640
gasoline-powered
passenger
vehicles
driven
for
one
year.
Is
this?
What
we
want
to
be
promoting
so-called
renewable
gas
is
methane
and
is
just
as
polluting
as
the
gas
that
we're
currently
burning
biofuel
production
use,
generates
greenhouse
gases
and
other
harmful
pollutants
and
leads
to
destruction
of
forests
and
displacement
of
land
used
for
food
production
around
the
world.
L
A
AA
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
was
not
able
to
get
the
link
going
so
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
I'll
be
very
brief.
I
support
a
motion
to
table
consideration
of
the
proposed
Trinity
campus
zoning
ordinance
amendments
until
such
time
that
the
full
Council
can
obtain
and
analyze
independent
research
on
the
any
on
the
potential
consequences
that
this
situation
can
create
and
which
probably
would
exacerbate
the
critical
housing
crisis
already
in
existence
in
Burlington.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
there's
no
one
else
in
the
queue
online
and
we
don't
have
any
more
slips
of
paper
in
front
of
me.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak.
If
you
do
we'll
give
you
a
short
time
to
stand
up
and
be
looking
like,
you
are
going
to
the
other
side
of
the
room
to
fill
out
a
form.
A
Before
we
continue
with
our
council
meeting,
we
do
have
two
other
meetings
this
evening
to
attend
to
that
being
the
city
council
with
mayor
presiding
and
the
board
of
civil
Authority,
I'll
recess
the
city
council
meeting
at
804
and
we'll
turn
the
gavel
over
to
Mayor
Weinberger.
For
these
two
meetings.
Thank.
M
G
M
Any
opposed,
let
me
we,
we
have
an
agenda.
The
next
item
is
the
consent.
Agenda
and
I
would
welcome
a
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda
and
take
the
actions
indicated
so
moved.
Thank
you,
president.
Paul,
second,
by
councilor
McGee
any
discussion
of
the
consent
agenda.
Seeing
none
will
go
to
a
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say.
AB
M
M
M
M
Seeing
none,
we
will
go
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
appointing
appointee,
Jessica
oski
to
a
term
expiring,
June,
30th
2025
on
the
police.
Commission,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye
posed
the
applicant.
Hasn't
congratulations!
Jessica!
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
serving
the
the
city.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
this
important
role.
M
There
we
did
have
a
couple.
Other
applicants
who
were
not
nominated
and
I
would
just
share
with
them
if
they
are
watching
that
many
of
our
many
of
our
commissioners
serving
on
Burlington
boards
have
not
been
successful.
The
first
time
and
we'd
encourage
you
to
consider
a
play
again
in
the
future,
and
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
serving
Burlington's
fortunate
to
have
a
strong
interest
in
so
many
of
our
board
and
commission
seats.
We
do
have
another.
M
I
Thanks
I
would
be
happy
to
nominate
Paul
Hines,
who
happens
to
be
a
neighbor
of
mine
for
the
vehicle
for
higher
licensing
board.
It
is
someone
unusual
that
you
get
professional
of
his
interests,
wanting
to
apply
for
the
board
and
I
will
say
this
came
about
because
he's
raised
some
concerns
to
me
about
the
availability
of
cabs
and
taxis
at
the
airport
and
in
general
in
the
city.
They
are
part
of
our
public
transportation
and
Paul
has
graciously
when
I
twisted
his
arm.
M
I
M
So
I
had
I
had
opened
the
nominations
for
the
for
I
guess
a
more
than
one
year
term.
Would
it
I'm,
seeing
now
the
applicant
prefers
the
one-year
term,
so
perhaps
there
should
be.
If
there's
no
objection,
we'll
we'll,
we
will
revise
that
and
the
this
is
a
one-year
term
per
the
posting
on
June
20th.
Twenty
sorry
February
21st
2023.
M
I
M
G
M
Licensing
board,
please
say:
aye
aye:
are
there
any
opposed?
He
Mr
Heinz
has
been
appointed.
Congratulations
and
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve
on
this
important
committee,
one
that
we
have
had
challenges
properly
filling.
So
thank
you
and
we
hope
hope
will
be
back
for
another
for
another
year
after
a
future
event
with
that
I
will
close
the
city
council,
mayor,
presiding
at
8,
10
pm
and
need
just
a
moment
to
get
to
the
other
agenda.
M
So
I
will
call
into
order
the
Border
civil
Authority
at
8
11
pm
and
would
welcome
a
motion
to
adjust
to
adopt
the
agenda
or
amend
it
so
moved.
Thank
you,
president
Paul.
This
is
our
second
thank
you,
councilor
McGee,
any
discussion
of
the
agenda.
Seeing
none
will
go
to
a
vote.
Others
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye.
M
M
You,
president
Paul,
is
there
a
second
second
by
councilor
McGee,
any
discussion
of
the
consent
agenda?
Seeing
none
will
go
to
a
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye
aye
opposed
the
motion
carries
unanimously.
We've
adopted
the
consent
agenda
and
there
being
no
further
Business
Without
objection.
I
will
adjourn
the
board
civil
30
at
8,
12
p.m
and
hand
the
microphone
back
to
you,
president
Paul.
A
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
Weinberger.
We
will
reconvene
the
city
council
meeting
at
8
14
and
the
and
return
to
where
we
left
off
on
the
agenda,
which
is
item
number
five
climate
emergency
reports.
Is
there
any
counselor
or
the
administration
who
wishes
to
offer
a
climate
emergency
report
mayor
Weinberger.
M
This
is
not
the
end
of
this
long
journey,
but
it
is
an
important
step
towards
finally
realizing
this
Vision,
something
that
has
long
been
seen
as
a
major
environmental
goal
for
the
city.
The
the
reason
is
because
this
has
long
been
identified
as
the
single
most
significant
intervention
One
Step,
that
the
city
could
take
to
reduce
its
climate
footprint.
M
The
reduction
will
be
approximately
15
percent
of
all
the
commercial
emissions
in
the
city
when,
by
by
capturing
the
seat
and
use
any
in
this
way,
IEM
aware
and
and
I've
had
many
people
come
to
me.
Both
discussions,
like
were
mentioned
in
the
public
forum,
had
people
come
to
for
a
number
of
weeks
now
to
the
open
coffees
that
I
have
to
voice
concerns
about
the
fact
that
there
is
still
combustion
involved.
M
There
is
still
burning
of
wood
and,
and
there
are
missions
that
that
take
place
at
McNeil,
I,
understand
the
these
concerns
and
I
appreciate
the
the
perspective
I
appreciate
where
these
concerns
are
coming
from.
Certainly
I
agree
that
there's
there
is
a
climate
emergency,
there's
great
urgency
in
making
progress
towards
our
Net
Zero
goals,
some
of
which
are,
you
know
as
soon
as
2030
the?
M
What
I
would
encourage
people
to
members
of
the
public
who
have
not
fully
looked
into
this?
Who
have
some
concerns
along
the
lines
that
have
been
voiced?
Take
a
look
at
the
BD
website.
I
think
you'll
see
their
reassuring
information
about
the
ways
in
which,
in
fact,
BD
does
manage
its
wood
chip
Supply
to
ensure
that
this
truly
is
a
renewable
resource
and
that
there
is
while
there
are
Emissions
on
an
annual
basis.
M
Perhaps
we
will
reach
a
point
where
there's
enough
wind
and
solar
and
Hydro
power,
and
perhaps
other
Innovative
Renewables-
that
will
no
longer
be
the
case,
but
right
now
to
discontinue
McNeil
would
be
to
mean
burning,
more
more
fossil
fuels,
and
that
is
that
that's
not
an
outcome.
I
think
is
the
right
one
that
for
for
the
city,
that's
why
we
are
pushing
so
hard
to
make
the
plan
more
efficient
through
this
District
Energy,
System
and
I.
Do
the
would
be
an
important
step
in
that
direction?
AC
This
is
something
that
this
commit
that
this
council
is
on
record
as
calling
for
our
efforts
down
in
Montpelier
to
and
hopefully
they're
going
to,
they
are,
they
are
bearing
fruit.
I
have
had
conversations
with
legislators,
including
the
speaker,
and
have
been
assured
that
there
is
a
commitment,
but
the
details
were
not
forthcoming
at
this.
AC
You
know
I
I,
don't
know
where
they
are,
but
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
get
such
a
report
as
soon
as
possible
and
if
it
can
be
done,
even
if
it's
a
preliminary
report
at
the
next
meeting,
it
I
think
it
would
be
really
really
helpful.
I
know
that
mayor
lot
is,
is
big
on
transportation
and
on
mass
transit
funding,
and
the
links
between
our
two
cities
are
pretty
significant.
I
actually
had
the
the
opportunity.
It's
something.
I
have
not
taken
to
to
take
the
bus.
AC
The
last
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
to
Winooski
and
to
North
Avenue
and
I
was
pleasantly
surprised
at
how
crowded
that
bus
was,
and
actually
how
fast
I
could
get
there
I'm,
not
quite
sure
that
I
can
make
it
all
work
for
all
the
place
says.
I've
got
to
go
particularly
with
the
stops,
but
this
is
why
we
need
Vigor
in
it
and
we
need
the
city
to
to
be
lobbying
down
there.
So
that
is
my
request.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Brandt
seconded
by
councilor
McGee.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
that
motion?
Seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
move
the
consent
agenda?
Please
say
aye
all
right,
any
opposed.
Please
say
no.
We
have
approved
our
consent
agenda.
That
brings
us
to
our
deliberative
agenda.
We
have
five
items
on
our
deliberative
agenda
and
going
to
make
another
another
effort
to
keep
to
our
time
limits
on
the
agenda
which
we
apprec,
which
we
agree
to
by
approving
our
agenda.
I
will
do
my
best.
A
AD
A
A
Seeing
none
will
go
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say
no.
That
motion
passes
unanimously
which
moves
us
to
item
7.02,
which
is
an
ordinance
CDO
institutions,
Trinity
campus
overlay,
Za
22-04,
and
before
we
go
to
a
motion,
I'd
like
to
invite,
in
fact
she's
already
here,
planning
director,
Megan,
Tuttle
and
as
well.
If
there
are
representatives
of
the
University
of
Vermont
who
wish
to
join
her
at
this
time,
you're
welcome
to
do
so.
A
And
director
Tuttle
we've
we've
allotted
30
minutes
or
so
for
this
item.
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
a
PowerPoint
or
if
you're
just
going
to
be
speaking
to
this
or
how
you've
laid
this
out.
But
if
you
could
maybe
put
that
into
about
15
minutes
and
that'll,
give
us
the
council
some
time
for
some
questions
and
comments
as
well.
Okay,.
R
That
sounds
great
I
do
have
a
brief
presentation
if
I'm
able
to
share
my
screen
and
my
plan
is
to
briefly
introduce
the
council
to
the
proposed
zoning
amendments
themselves.
I
know
you
have
a
number
of
communications
about
other
related
agreements
that
would
accompany,
or
that
are
requested
to
accompany
this
zoning
Amendment.
R
But
my
focus
is
going
to
be
to
walk
you
through
the
proposed
changes
there
and
then
we
have
a
number
of
members
of
uvm's
administration
that
can
answer
questions
that
the
council
may
have
about
any
of
the
University's
housing
or
enrollment
plans.
Any
of
the
Trinity
campus
development
plans
that
have
informed
this
discussion
or
any
other
topics
that
you
would
like
to
discuss.
R
The
proposed
amendment-
that's
in
front
of
you,
applies
to
just
the
Trinity
campus
overlay
zoning
District.
This
is
one
of
a
number
of
overlay
zoning
districts
that
apply
to
the
institutional
zoning
district
and
are
intended
to
help
us
provide
specific
land
use
or
development
standards
for
different
portions
of
the
Campus,
based
on
their
purpose
and
role
within
the
broader
campus
system,
their
campus
overlays
that
apply
to
the
medical
center
to
the
core
and
South
campuses
to
Champlain,
College
and
then,
ultimately,
to
Trinity.
R
It
includes
changes
to
the
overall
height
of
buildings
that
are
allowed
on
the
Trinity
campus,
and
particularly,
it
creates
a
two-tiered
height
limit
allowing
for
45
foot
buildings
that
are
closer
to
the
street
within
150
feet
of
155
feet
of
the
street
Center
Line
and
up
to
80
feet
in
height.
Beyond
that
point
and
I'll
show
you
a
map
of
what
these
points
mean
in
just
a
second.
R
Another
change
is
to
enable
development
within
an
existing
setback
from
Colchester
Avenue.
Today
there
is
a
setback
that
precludes
development
of
over
of
over
200
square
feet,
which
is
very
small
within
115
feet
of
the
property
line.
So
again,
this
would
similarly
allow
for
development,
albeit
lower
in
height,
to
be
located
between
a
new
setback
line
and
that
existing
setback
line
on
the
campus.
R
It
would
exempt
certain
development
intensity
limits
so
that
again,
going
back
to
our
goal
of
responsibly,
allowing
the
greatest
amount
of
housing
to
be
created
on
this
campus
would
help
facilitate
that
process
and,
as
part
of
this,
also
intending
to
help
implement
the
goal
of
a
more
vibrant,
Campus
Community.
That
has
amenities
that
can
attract
a
wider
range
of
residents
to
live
on
it.
R
So
this
map
includes
a
number
of
lines,
but
essentially
what
it's
showing
is
that
the
existing
boundary
today
for
development
on
the
campus
is
this
purple
line,
and
it
has
been
expressed
today
as
a
115
foot
setback
from
the
property
line,
given
the
location
of
the
property
line
on
this
portion
of
the
campus.
What
this
really
means
in
terms
of
where
development
can
be
located,
has
been
very
confusing
and,
as
we
talked
about
new
proposed
setbacks
for
this
campus,
the
location
of
of
new
buildings
was
also
confused
by
this
condition.
R
So
we've
proposed
a
simplified
map
that
can
be
incorporated
in
the
zoning
Amendment,
which
bases
these
setbacks
on
the
location
of
the
center
line
of
Colchester
Avenue.
So
this
map
shows
the
two-tiered
setback
for
the
height
limit
that
I
mentioned
earlier
between
Colchester
Avenue,
and
this
blue
line.
No
development
would
be
permitted
and
you
may
not
be
able
to
tell
from
this
map,
but
this
line
is
set
back
behind
the
location
of
the
buildings
that
are
just
to
the
east.
R
R
This
is
a
section
of
the
portion
of
Trinity
campus,
where
UVM
has
shared
some
conceptual
plans
for
new
development,
just
to
illustrate
what
that
might
look
like
in
a
different
perspective.
The
green
lines
here
are
the
boundaries
of
Colchester
Avenue,
so
you
can
see
how
buildings
would
be
stepped
back,
the
further
they
get
from
the
road.
J
H
A
AE
AE
AE
I
think
that
information
was
shared
with
UVM
when
you
last
presented
on
this
in
January
of
2022
and
even
before
that
through
the
mayor's
office
and
the
winter
of
2021
and
so
I
think
there's
been
enough
communication,
even
though
it's
a
different
Council
that
the
council
does
not
feel
comfortable
moving
forward
without
additional
information
which
would
come
in
the
form
of
some
kind
of
partnership.
I
do
understand
that
you
have
a
board
that
doesn't
want
to
commit
future
boards.
AE
We
know
something
about
that
being
of
a
similar
type
of
body
that
cannot
and
doesn't
want
to
commit
future
bodies,
but
I,
don't
think
we
can
do
a
holistic
approach
without
a
partnership
that
has
some
commitments
to
each
other.
So
that
is
what
I'm
looking
for
in
order
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
this
would
impact
the
city,
but
especially
my
ward,
so
that.
I
Thank
you
and
I
I
want
to
support
what
Council
Hightower
has
to
say.
I
personally
would
like
to
see
you
work
at
all
the
nuances
of
the
zoning,
but
the
elephant
in
the
room
and
the
elephant
we've
heard
from
hear
from
elephants,
but
from
all
of
our
constituents
is
the
concern
about
the
enrollment
at
UVM
versus
the
housing.
You
control
and
Megan
gave
me
a
slide
from
the
summer
that
says
effectively.
I
You've
been
keeping
even
you've
increased
enrollment,
but
you've
increased
housing
I
think
there
was
like
an
80
unit
differential
in
that
and
I
think
the
real
question
of
the
day.
Is
we
hear
lots
of
information
you're
going
to
add
3
000
students,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
number,
a
real
number
or
not
a
real
number,
but
I
really
think
to
get
to
the
gut
of
this.
J
Here
the
I
think
we
should
be
clear:
we've
got
a
queer
directive
from
our
board
is
councilman
Hightower
indicated
that
that
we
are
not
to
enter
into
a
formal
agreement
of
caps
or
or
limits
enrollment.
But
at
the
same
time
the
presidents
are
been
very
clear
about
his
desire
to
not
increase
in
size
of
the
incoming
classes,
for
the
undergraduate
students
and
so
to
your
point.
J
So
we're
doing
what
we've
done
all
the
way
along,
which
is
to
build
more
housing
as
we
need
it,
and
it
took
years
for
us
to
catch
up
in
terms
of
enrollment
versus
the
number
of
beds
that
we
had
built
and
I.
Think
if
you
saw
the
the
chart
that
Megan
gave
you
in
those
after
the
first
year
or
two
there's
about
five
years,
where
we've
actually
dropped
enrollment
after
having
built
400
plus
beds.
So
that's
that's
the
type
of
thing
we
want
to
do.
I
Thank
you
and
just
sort
of
two
other
comments.
I
would
hope
in
this
discussion
that
there
would
be
opportunities
or
projections
of
what
you
can
do
to
both
help.
You
you've
I,
think
done
a
decent
job
of
saying
even
but
we're
you
know
having
six
thousand
undergraduates
off
campus
or
you
know,
I'd
say
they're
around
4
4
800
off
campus
huge
impact
so
I.
I
It
would
be
helpful
to
see
what
else
you
can
do.
In
addition
and
having
worked
for
public
instrumentality
boards
having
worked
with
the
legislature,
the
better
part
of
my
professional
career
Burlington
deserves
to
get
a
commitment
from
the
University
on
this
and
they
need
to
understand
and
I
know
many
of
your
trustees
personally.
This
is
something
that
we
need.
A
commitment
on
I,
don't
think
we
should
so
be
worried
about
future
boards.
If
you're
going
to
build
500
units
at
Trinity,
then
tell
us
what
your
enrollment
is
in
the
next
couple
years.
I
Vis-A-Vis
that
I
mean
we're
not
saying
do
this
for
30
years.
We're
saying
what
is
your
current
plan
and
commit
to
that
and
I
think
we
should
have
a
robust
discussion,
because
the
university
is
a
valued
member
of
this
community,
but
it
impacts
us
tremendously
and
I
have
lived
here
all
my
life
I'm,
a
University
graduate
I,
love,
UVM,
but
I
think
the
board
can
make
a
commitment.
A
A
AF
Thank
you,
president
Paul.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming.
I
am
the
East
District
City
councilor
for
awards,
one
and
Ward
8
and
I
Echo.
What
I've
heard
from
counselor
Hightower
and
from
counselor
Carpenter.
We
so
value
the
partnership
of
the
city
with
the
university
and
in
this
situation,
I've
heard
from
so
many
constituents
that
there
is
a
real
need
for
further
commitment
to
a
future
partnership,
and
the
great
concern
about
enrollment
has
come
up
again
and
again
and
then
in
in
looking
at
this.
AF
You
know
there
is
the
mention
several
times
of
if
there
is
permanent
approval,
that
the
agreement
would
last
for
five
years,
but
the
permit
approval
is
approval
for
an
enormous
amount
of
potential
development.
So
I
think
that
also
needs
to
be
addressed.
You
know
what
would
happen
after
five
years
and
what
would
those
projections
be
for
enrollment
for
the
number
of
students
that
would
be
leaving
campus
after
sophomore
year
and
that
would
then
enter
into
off-campus
housing
within
the
city.
J
There
there
isn't
any
plan
beyond
that.
I
think
anyone
that's
done.
Any
strategic
planning
knows
how
difficult
it
is
to
plan
for
anything
beyond
five
years,
because
we
have
no
idea.
What's
you
know
what
the
circumstances
are
going
to
be
it,
but
there
is
no
kind
of
other
plan
that
says
well
we're
going
to
wait
five
years
and
then
significantly
increase
enrollment.
J
J
I
was
looking
at
the
census
data
for
Burlington
over
over
the
years,
I
went
back
into
ancient
times
when
I
was
an
undergraduate
and
thought
about
it,
and,
and
so
there's
been
something
like
a
17
percent
increase
in
the
total
population
of
Burlington.
You
know
since
1970.,
which
was
the
latter
part
of
my
undergrad
career
and
so
the
community
in
total.
The
population
has
not
grown
dramatically,
but
the
composition
of
the
community
is
I
expect
has
changed,
because
so
many
of
those
houses
had
many
young
children
in
them.
J
Then
that
are
not
there
now
and,
and
you
need
actually
need
more
households
for
the
same
number
of
people,
because
now,
whereas
then
there
may
have
been
on
average,
maybe
four
people
in
a
household
now
there's
probably
two
or
one
and
a
half
or
something,
and
so
there's
a
much
broader
issue
of
of
housing
need
in
Burlington
I
think
that
goes
Way
Beyond
the
university.
We
are
very
clearly
a
piece
of
it.
J
There's
no
argument
about
it
whatsoever
and
we're
trying
to
do
our
part,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
it's
not
that
UVM
has
has
mushroomed
in
size
and
not
done
anything
about
its
housing.
We
have
in
fact
kept
pace
if
the
entire
city
had
been
able
to
keep
the
pace
the
way
UVM
has
we
wouldn't
be
as
tight
as
we
are
right
now,
I
don't
mean
city,
as
in
city
government
I
mean
it's
all
the
other
stakeholders
in
in
the
Housing
Community
in
Burlington,
and
so
you
know
the
president.
J
J
What
could
happen
there
is?
There
are
200
students
there
we
could
take
those
down
and
then
go
up
to
80
feet,
but
that's
about
all
the
all
we
could
do.
Maybe
you
get
another
three
or
four
hundred
students
beyond
the
500,
but
after
that
we're
it.
We
run
out
of
room,
it's
not
a
place
where
we're
going
to
build
thousands
of
beds.
R
One
thing,
I'll
just
add,
I
think
to
speak
ing
about
what
happens
after
five
years.
Counselor
Brandt
I
think
what
you
were
referring
to
was
the
requirement
as
part
of
the
zoning
amendment,
that
information
be
provided
about
user
groups
that
the
development
is
intended
to
serve
for
the
next
five
years.
R
One
of
the
reasons
that
we
looked
at
the
five-year
time
Horizon
is
that
it's
similar
to
the
time
Horizon
that
is
required
of
our
joint
Park,
our
institutional
parking
management
plans.
Those
plans
get
resubmitted
every
five
years
and
with
annual
reporting
on
the
performance
and
I
think
at
a
certain
point,
a
development
has
been
part
of
a
Campus
Community
for
long
enough
that
the
user
groups
can
be
reflected
in
the
annual
parking
management
plan.
That's
or
the
five-year
parking
management
plan
that's
routinely
created
and
submitted
to
the
drb.
AC
AC
We
have
had
a
problem
with
UVM,
not
housing
as
students
since
then.
In
my
estimation,
and
I
got
involved
in
housing
work
in
Burlington
in
the
mid
1970s
and
from
my
perspective
this
has
been
a
problem.
I
have
seen
both
of
you
here
for
long
periods
of
time,
because
I've
been
kicking
around
here
for
a
long
time.
I
would
tell
you
that
getting
numbers
from
UVM
numbers
about
enrollment
and
other
vital
things
has
been
like
pulling
teeth.
AC
We
have
had
this
conversation
in
real
political
terms,
since
I
was
on
the
council
when
the
Stafford
building
was
was
built
and
the
mou
was
was
first
entered
into
then,
which
I
thought
was
actually
a
sweetheart
deal
for
the
for
UVM,
because
it
didn't
really
commit
you
to
solve
the
problem
of
housing.
It
committed
you
to
stay
even
Net,
Zero
and
I
appreciate
you
saying,
although
just
like
Ronald
Reagan
I,
want
verification
as
well
as
trust
that
you're
going
to
try
to
stay
to
to
Net
Zero.
AC
But
from
my
perspective
and
how
I
look
at
this,
you
have
to
do
better.
You
have
to
get
to
a
negative
Point.
Your
impact
on
the
housing
crisis
is
got
to
be
lessened.
It
is
a
crime.
What
people
are
having
to
pay
for
rent
in
this
city.
It
is,
it
is
unbelievable
and
so
I
need
a
commitment
from
you
all
to
do
that
and
I
need
it.
Not
just
I
appreciate
the
limits
of
the
Trinity
campus
right.
AC
It
is
what
it
is,
but
this
is
a
comprehensive
problem
and
it
is,
you
have
a
large
community
and
you
go
even
beyond
your
your.
Your
campus
areas
in
terms
of
this
and
the
truth
is
that's.
What's
going
on
in
South
Burlington
now
with
your
your
graduate
housing
so
I,
and
that
this
spinner
place
in
Winooski
is
an
example
of
you.
Looking
at
this
I
remember
when
you
had
housing
at
Fort,
Ethan
Allen
for
graduate
students,
I'm
dating
myself
now,
but
on
the
housing
front.
AC
This
is
what
I
need.
I
need,
Improvement
in
the
housing
front.
I
do
have
a
a
question
regarding
the
the
plan
and
the
pro
the
new
permitted
uses.
So
I
just
don't
understand
the
the
garages
and
I
mean
I,
understand
garages.
I
understand
we
want
to
have
parking
I
understand
you
want
to
tuck
parking
in,
but
you
know
we
are
we're
taking
some
traffic
off
of
Colchester
Ave
to
put
bike
Lanes
we're
making
a
host
of
other
Transportation
related
changes
in
the
city,
vis-a-vis
parking
and
other
things,
so
the
so.
AC
R
Great,
so
the
incorporating
parking
garage,
just
as
a
permitted
use,
is
really
to
just
offer
flexibility
in
terms
of
how
to
provide
that
resource
to
any
new
growth
or
development.
On
that
campus,
the
institutional
parking
management
plan
process
really
intends
to
limit
the
amount
of
new
parking
resources
that
are
in
the
main
campus
areas
in
general
and
to
require
a
process
through
which
the
institutions
are
demonstrating
how
they're
meeting,
but
also
reducing
their
parking
demand
within
the
core
campus
area.
R
So
the
intent
of
this
is
not
to
promote
the
creation
of
parking
resources
on
that
campus,
but
just
to
give
more
flexibility
for
how
that
campus
May
evolve.
If
parking
is
to
be
a
minor
component
of
a
new
development
project,
I
think
any
like
any
housing.
If
parking
is
to
be
a
part
of
that,
a
decision
about
how
to
efficiently
provide
that
parking
is
a
major
aspect
and
certainly
parking
garages
can
be
a
more
efficient
way
from
a
land
use
perspective
of
incorporating
parking
on
a
site.
R
AC
My
hope
is
that
you
will
provide
the
ordinance
committee
when
or
if
it
ever
gets
there
with
more
details,
not
just
about
the
intended
consequences,
but
for
you
to
think
about
unintended
consequences,
and
then
us
try
to
be
able
to
to
have
that
conversation.
You
know
there
are
traffic
issues
as
well,
not
just
the
land
use,
but
you
know
traffic
flow
and
what
have
you
congestion,
traffic
management
as
opposed
to
traffic
demand
management?
AC
You
know
all
of
that
stuff
that
we
do
impact
these,
for
so
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
the
permitted
use
for
parking
garages.
I
would
like
for
the
council
to
receive
much
more
information
about
this,
just
so
that
we
have
a
real,
clear
sense
and
we
know
exactly
what
we're
doing.
I
I
appreciate
good
intentions.
That
I
also
do
appreciate
us
thinking
very
seriously
about
this,
because
this
is
a
and
evolving
area
of
planning
and
construct
infrastructure
Construction
in
the
city,
and
we
need
to
be
particularly
attentive
to
it.
AC
AE
AE
If
they're
students
doesn't
matter
if
they're
living
on
Trinity
campus
or
not
it
doesn't
matter
if
they're
staff,
it
doesn't
matter
if
they're
professors
it
doesn't
matter
if
they're
neighbors,
everybody
feels
the
same
way
about
this,
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
surprised
that
a
year
later,
we're
still
more
than
a
year
later,
we're
still
in
the
same
position
of
saying.
We
want
to
give
you
this,
but
we
think
we
think
you
need
to
come
to
the
table
with
with
some
more
information
and
some
guarantees
and
I
understand
all
the
difficulties
around
that.
AE
But
zoning
is
more
permanent
than
presidents,
it's
more
permanent
than
the
Board
of
Trustees
and
the
university
makes
long-term
promises
all
the
time
you
make
it
for
your
promise
every
year
to
high
school
seniors,
you
make
10-year
promises
every
it's
just
there's!
So
there's
plenty
of
promises
that
you
do
feel
comfortable.
Making
I'm
asking
this
to
be
one
of
them
and
I.
AE
So
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
I
feel
really
uncomfortable
with
this
I.
Don't
think
UVM
is
doing
enough
and
I
say
that
is
that
someone
who
lived
on
campus
all
four
years
of
undergrad
in
my
second
year
of
grad
school
at
Great
institutions
who
allowed
that
or
made
that
possible
for
me
and
with
that
I
will
stop.
Bothering
president
Paul
and
close.
A
AG
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
director
Turtle
for
explaining
that
what
this
is
about-
and
it's
I'm
just
surprised
how
the
discussion
is
going.
I
want
to
Circle
back
about
your
presentation
about
the
ordinance
and,
what's
next,
can
you
paint
me
a
picture
if
a
vote
in
support
of
moving
into
the
ordinance
committee,
then
when
will
we
have
like
a
final
resolution
about
the
agreement
of
building
it.
R
AG
Thank
you,
I
think.
That's
an
important
aspect
about
this
discussion.
Voting
yes
or
voting
no
does
not
allow
UVM
to
build
the
Trinity
campus
tomorrow.
Let's
also
be
a
little
bit
proactive
and
I'm,
asking
all
my
colleagues
to
just
follow
the
process
and
I
completely
agree
with
everyone
here
about
the
lack
of
housing
from
UVM
right
and
the
need
of
having
the
UVM
held
accountable
to
build
more
housing
and
also
to
remind
people
that
we
have
so
many
different
agreements
with
UVM
Capital
planned
agreement
between
UVM
and
Champlain
College.
AG
We
have
an
agreement
of
UVM
in
you
know,
10
years
like
2009,
2019
and
I
do
believe.
That's
where
we
need
to
focus
our
energy
and
our
fight
on,
and
not
this
right,
I
think
I.
Think
I
will
be
supporting
this
like
to
move
it
forward,
but
I
will
don't
know
where
I
will
be
when
until
UVM
sits
down
with
the
administration
to
definitely
talk
about
your
enrollment
and
also
the
number
of
housing
that
you
we
will
require
you
to
build
and
get
this
city
a
great
in
a
great
fully
for
everyone.
A
Q
Thank
you,
Council
Paul,
before
I
make
a
motion.
Is
it
okay?
If
I
ask
some
questions
in
the
in
the
memo
that
we
received
it?
It
references
the
10-point,
housing
plan
and
defines
three
major
zoning
amendments
to
support
overarching
goals,
including
opening
new
on-campus
University
of
Vermont
Student
Housing
opportunities
for
by
rezoning,
the
former
Trinity
campus
to
reduce
evm's
pressure
on
the
housing
market.
I
want
to
say
that
I
support
that
and
I
like
counselor
Hightower
I'm,
not
really
interested
in
in
really
micromanaging.
Q
That
I
really
want
UVM
to
be
able
to
build
functional
and
desirable
housing
for
their
students.
I
am
the
mother
of
a
20
year
old
college
student
who
lives
in
a
similar
situation
to
UVA.
She
doesn't
go
to
UVM,
but
the
situation
is
the
same.
She
is
she
was
housed
for
the
first
two
years
and
then
she
is
set
loose
into
Market
housing
in
a
terribly
competitive
market
where
the
quality
of
housing
is
poor
and
our
house
much
of
our
student
housing
stock
I
think
you
would
all
agree.
It
meets
minimum
housing
standards.
Q
That's
a
minimum
standard.
It's
not
it's
not
a
very
high
standard
and
and
they're
often
on
the
brink.
They,
the
the
lack
of
predictability
for
the
students
regarding
whether
or
not
they
will
be
able
to
get
housing
is
just
so
sad.
I
am
not
on
uvm's
parent
Facebook
page
but
I
imagine
it
looks
very
much
like
the
Facebook
page
that
I
am
on
with
parents
so
desperate
their
kids.
You
know
trying
to
find
housing
and
really
being
victimized
by
the
housing
market.
Q
I
agree
with
councilor
Bergman
when
he
talked
about
you
know,
UVM,
having
committed
to
sustaining
the
status
quo
and
Mr
Kate
your
references
to
keeping
pace
and
demonstrating
that
UVM
has
been
keeping
pace.
I
too
want
UVM
to
do
more
than
keep
Pace
I
want
that
for
the
students
I
want
that
for
the
parents
and
I
want
that
for
the
community.
Q
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
this.
The
current
situation
and
and
I
may
not
and
I,
don't
want
this
to
sound
accusational
at
all
at
all,
but
we
did
have
an
mou
with
UVM
and
that
committed
UVM
to
the
status
quo
which,
as
I've
said,
I,
wasn't
very
satisfied
with
that.
But
it
was
better
than
nothing
and
my
understanding
is
that
UVM
backed
out
of
that
agreement
and
okay
you're
shaking
your
head.
So
I'll.
Just
let
you
answer
to
that.
J
T
Q
Q
Q
I,
as
I
said,
I
I
support
your
plan
and
I
support
your
meeting,
the
needs
of
your
students,
but
we
also
need
to
meet
our
community
needs
and
I
think
that
that
is
the
priority
of
this
Council
and
I
understand
that
UVM
VM
represents
UVM,
as
you
should,
but
we
represent
represent
the
entire
Community.
We
care
about
the
health
of
evm,
but
we
care
about
the
health
of
our
neighborhoods
and
it's
not
very
good
right
now.
Q
The
status
quo
is
extremely
problematic
and
for
me
to
move
forward
with
this
I
need
to
know
how
you're
going
to
be
a
participant
and
a
partner,
as
others
have
said,
in
improving
the
status
quo
in
providing
more
housing
on
campus
for
students.
St
Michaels
has
done
some
beautiful,
on-campus
housing
and
has
done
a
great
job.
Their
students
know
where
they
can
live
all
four
years
of
their
college.
Experience.
Q
I
was
part
of
a
focus
group
believe
it
or
not,
prior
to
being
a
city
councilor
immediately
prior
and
the
it
was
about
UVM
housing
and
it
was
a
brainstorming
session
and
we
were
invited
to
just
throw
out
ideas
and
the
idea
I
threw
out
was
housing
all
the
students
on
campus.
It's
only
a
brainstorming
session
and
I
could
not
persuade
the
person
running
this
to
even
put
that
idea
on
the
board.
Q
So
this
has
been
a
very
long
term
problem
and
maybe
we're
not
going
to
get
to
getting
all
of
UVM
students
on
campus
in
the
foreseeable
future.
But
we
need
to
be
making
progress
in
that
direction
and
we
need
reliable
commitments
from
UVM
and
what
I
hear
from
you
is.
We
don't
need
to
worry
about
that,
because
there
are
barriers
to
that
growth.
If,
if
that
is
the
case,
that
there
are
barriers,
cvm's
growth
and
I
do
see
you
shaking
your
head,
let
you
respond.
J
Yeah
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
there
are.
There
are
some
barriers
I
don't
mean
that
the
the
I'm
not
trying
to
pass
them
off
as
some
sort
of
rationale
why
you
should
approve
this
I
I'm
just
talking
about
the
reality
of
the
situation,
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
if
this,
if
allowing
us
to
build,
unfortunately
doesn't
work
for
the
community
and
for
the
council
UVM
still
has
is
prioritizing
the
construction
of
housing.
That's
why
we're
building
a
500
beds?
We
are
right
now
in
South
Burlington.
J
That's
why
I'm
pursuing
multiple
other
options,
because
I
I
can't
be
sure
that
this
that
Trinity
is
going
to
work.
So
if
Trinity
doesn't
work,
I
I
still
have
a
mandate
from
the
president
of
the
board
to
build
more
housing,
because
we
we
do
care
very
much
about
the
our
students
and
having
them
have
good
housing.
So
if
we
can't
do
it
on
Trinity,
then
then
we'll
simply
have
to
explore
other
places.
Q
A
J
G
J
AG
A
M
Thank
you,
Mr
Kate,
I
I
heard
something
from
you
in
the
long
discussions
we've
had
about
this
issue
that
I've
never
heard
before.
Are
you
suggesting
that
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
board
isn't
comfortable
with
agreeing
to
a
continuation
of
the
agreement
that
we've
had
something
like
that
is
because
dissatisfaction
on
the
board's
part
about
how
the
city
has
moved
forward
with
rezoning
the
Trinity
campus.
M
My
understanding
is
that
agreement
again
never
raised
prior
by
UVM
in
the
long
discussions
about
this.
But
my
understanding
is
that
that
committed
the
City
to
working
with
UVM
for
zoning
change.
If
UVM
was
interested
in
that
I'm
not
aware
of
UVM
up
until
this
point
over
the
last
11
years
coming
to
the
city
and
voicing
a
desire
to
work
towards
this
until
until
this
began.
J
M
So
if
a
concern
of
the
board
is,
is
the
city's
willingness
to
follow
through
and
deliver
on
this
zoning
change?
You
know
I
would
certainly
be
happy
to
see
with
you
and
president
caramela
and
negotiate
very
clearly
binding
terms.
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
on
the
cusp
of
at
the
time.
We're
looking
to
have
you
extend
the
agreement.
M
J
A
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Shannon,
so
emotion
has
been
made
to
the
table.
Anita
I,
just
second
seconded
by
counselor
Hightower,
as
I
have
said
a
few
times.
A
motion
to
table
is
not
debatable,
so
we
will
go
to
a
vote
and
I.
Think
it'd
probably
be
a
good
idea
if
the
clerk
would
call
the
rule.
This
is
a
motion
to
table.
So
a
yes
vote
is
to
table
the
motion
and
a
tabling
is
to
is
not
for
a
date
certain.
It
is
indefinitely.
AC
N
A
A
I
know
that
probably
this
isn't
the
the
news
that
you
were
hoping
to
hear,
but
I
hope
that
what
you
have
heard
and
what
we
all
hope
that
you've
heard
is
that
there
is
a
strong
and
a
desire
to
work
with
you
to
find
real
solutions
and
contributions
at
the
University
of
Vermont
can
make
to
address
our
community's
housing
crisis
in
a
meaningful,
accountable
and
an
impactful
way.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here.
Thank.
J
A
H
A
R
Absolutely
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
when
we
were
talking
about
the
south
end
I
said:
normally,
we
don't
come
to
you
with
an
amendment
on
first
read
for
discussion
as
part
of
your
deliberative
agenda,
but
we're
really
breaking
those
process
rules
lately.
So
I
actually
was
going
to
invite
the
mayor
to
introduce
this
item.
R
But
yes,
our
request
for
you
tonight
is
to
suspend
your
rules
and
to
warn
this
amendment
for
a
public
hearing
at
an
upcoming
meeting
and
we're
going
to
ask
the
mayor
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
background
of
why
this
is
being
introduced
and
why
it's
being
requested
to
be
considered
with
urgency.
And
then
we
will
present
to
you
the
details
of
what
the
ordinance
is.
AC
AH
So,
typically,
under
the
rules,
you
would
refer
to
the
ordinance
committee.
The
ordinance
committee
members
have
been
meeting
with
the
Planning
Commission
on
this
item
for
a
couple
of
meetings,
so
they
have
had
a
review
of
it
and
and
I
think
that's
probably
the
comfort
of
why
for
the
to
suspend
rules,
but
basically
by
suspending
the
rules
and
setting
it,
you
are
not
sending
it
to
the
ordinance
committee
and
setting
it
for
the
public
hearing.
AE
R
R
The
end
of
January
and
then
just
last
week,
actually
was
the
second
one
in
terms
of
the
question
about
the
effect
of
suspending
the
rules.
Typically,
when
the
ordinance
committee
reviews
an
item
when
they
are
done
with
it
as
part
of
their
referral
back
to
the
full
city
council,
they
direct
us
to
warn
an
amendment
for
a
public
hearing
and
at
the
time
that
that
amendment
is
published
in
the
paper,
an
amendment
becomes
effective.
R
What
we're
asking
tonight
instead
is
for
the
council
to
consider
suspending
your
rules
and
instead
of
referring
it
to
the
committee
before
warning,
that
public
hearing
upon
your
action
to
suspend
and
warn
a
hearing,
we
would
publish
it
in
the
paper
and
it
would
become
effective.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
shorter
process
than
normal,
but
the
same
effectiveness
of
the
amendment
applies.
AC
R
R
Before
any
action
on
part
of
the
council
to
adopt
or
reject
the
amendment-
and
we
did
invite
the
ordinance
committee
participation
in
the
Planning
Commission
meetings
as
well
to
help
provide
that
committee,
the
awareness
of
the
purpose
of
the
amendment
and
for
them
to
engage
in
asking
questions
as
the
com
as
the
Planning
Commission
prepared.
This
for
a
referral
to
you.
G
M
M
Hoping
the
council
will
support
this,
and
you
know,
of
course,
if
there,
as
we
get
into
this
further,
there's
a
need
for
for
Committee
Action.
Nothing
is
that's
not
precluded
from
happening
in
the
future.
I'm
hoping
it
won't
be
needed.
The
in
November
at
the
beginning
of
November,
this
Council
approved
unanimously,
if
I
remember
right
the
new
development
agreement,
the
amended
and
restated
development
agreement
on
the
CityPlace
project,
with,
for
the
first
time
in
years,
a
real
sense
of
strong
partnership
happening
between
the
city
and
the
developer.
M
On
on
the
public-private
partnership
that
is
CityPlace.
This
is
a
unique
development
within
the
city
at
this
point,
both
in
its
its
size
and
its
ambition
to
re,
reconnect
public
streets
and
build
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
of
public
infrastructure,
in
addition
to
private
improvements,
and
it's
from
the
start,
this
we've
known
that
this
would
not
succeed
without
close
collaboration
between
the
city
and
the
developer
and
the.
If
people
remember
the
context
in
in
November,
the
developer
came
to
us
saying
they
wanted
to.
They
didn't
want
to
lose
another
winner.
M
They
wanted
action
at
at
the
city.
Place
say
now:
they
didn't
want
to
effectively
perhaps
lose
a
whole
other
year
by
waiting,
and
you
want
to
do
so,
even
though
they
were
quite
clear
with
with
us
and
with
the
public
that
they
had
not
lined
up
all
the
details
of
this
project.
They
had
not
lined
up
all
of
the
financing
and
they
were
still
still
working
on
important
details
details
and
they
were
ready
to
move
forward
with
that
kind
of
understanding
with
us,
and
we.
M
We
approved
the
the
the
agreement
unanimously
and
they
have
made
good
on
on
their
commitments
since
then,
as
I'm
sure
everyone's
aware,
the
site
right
now
is
finally
a
long
last,
a
beehive
of
activity.
There's
a
great
deal
happening
there,
despite
the
fact
that
there
still
do
remain
some
some
important
agreements
and
details
to
be
nailed
down.
It
was
flagged
for
all
of
us
in
that
agreement
that
the
inclusionary
zoning
ordinance
was
one
area
where
potential
change
might
be
needed.
M
They
voiced
a
concern
at
that
point
that
their
the
way
in
which
they
wanted
to
proceed,
and
importantly,
the
way
in
which
Champlain
Housing
Trust
is
their
partner,
wanted
to
proceed
that
there
may
be
challenges
meeting
the
party
requirements
of
the
current
inclusionary
zoning
ordinance.
The
parity
requirements
are
something
that
concerns
about.
This
have
been
long
known
and
had
previously
been
discussed
and.
M
Is
not,
but
they
were
raising
this
concern
and
we
thought
it
was
it
was.
It
was
reasonable
to
suggest
that
we
would
attempt
to
with
aware
of
their
concern
work
with
the
Planning
Commission
this
Council
to
consider
a
change.
No
binding
commitments
were
made
in
that
agreement,
but
it
was
quite
explicit
in
the
agreement
that
we
would
undergo
the
process
that
we
have
gone
through
since
that
time.
M
I
very
much
appreciate
this
team
that
has
worked
hard
to
make
good
on
that
City
commitment
and
to
bring
to
you
a
change
that
has
been
approved
by
strong
vote
from
the
Planning
Commission,
in
which
I
think
is
ready
for
your
action
tonight
and
one
that
you
can
and
for
the
reasons
you'll
you'll
hear.
You
can
be
confident
that
a
vote
for
this,
while
helping
this
current
development
and
likely
future
developments
is
in
no
way
undermining
the
the
intent
or
the
the
strength
of
of
the
inclusionary
zoning
ordinance.
M
We
are
living
in
what
continues
to
be
a
volatile
economic
time,
and
it
is
from
my
perspective,
it
is
consistent
with
the
idea.
The
city
is
going
to
be
a
good
partner
here
for
us
to
make
this
decision
in
in
an
expedited
fashion.
Again,
there
has
been
significant
discussion
with
ordinance
committee
members
coming
to
this
point,
as
well
as
a
significant
amount
of
review
of
the
language
you'll
hear
more
about
that
in
a
moment
and
I
hope
it's
something
that
that
we
can
continue
to
act
on
together,
as
we
did
with
it
with
that.
A
R
AI
You
thanks
Megan
Charles,
Taylor
principal
planner
office,
City
Planning
good
evening.
So
as
the
as
the
mayor
said,
let
me
see
if
I
can
make
there
we
go.
So
this
amendment
is
really
about
the
parity
requirements
in
today's
inclusionary
zoning
standards
that
require
that
in
a
in
a
development
where
inclusionary
Center
units
are
required,
that
they'd
be
provided
at
a
bedroom
mixing
unit
size.
AI
Similarly,
in
lieu
of
complying
with
the
unit
size
standard
wherein
today,
units
of
the
same
bedroom
type
have
to
be
at
least
90
percent
as
big
as
the
mark
Nets.
They
can
be
provided
at
a
different
size
if,
again,
that
total
gross
floor
area
of
the
inclusionary
zoning
units
is
greater
than
the
percent
required
for
those
units.
AI
During
the
the
course
of
the
discussions
about
this
particular
aspect,
staff
Planning
Commission
members
of
the
public
Michael
Monty
from
Chamberlain
Housing
Trust,
offered
suggestions
that
when
this
alternative
compliance
method
is
proposed,
that
minimum
unit
sizes
be
provided
for
each
of
those
unit
types.
And
so
that's
what
you
see
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
So
again,
when
this
alternative
is
provided,
there
would
be
minimum
unit
sizes,
and
this
would
this
would
protect
against
scenarios
where
you
know,
affordable
housing
units
might
be
provided
at
just
the
minimum
housing
level.
AI
So
again,
the
rationale
for
for
changing
this
bedroom
mix
is
that
today,
the
market
demand
for
inclusionary
zoning
units
by
number
of
bedrooms
types
can
differ,
sometimes
significantly
from
that
of
the
market
rate
units.
At
times
the
inclusionary
zoning
units
May
tend
toward
more
bedrooms
other
times
they
may
have
fewer
bedrooms.
We
have
a
scenario
that
sort
of
examples,
an
area
that
I
can
run
through
in
just
a
moment.
Also
specific
in-demand
market
rate
project
types
have
no
corollary,
any
affordable
housing
market.
G
AI
Know
including
student
housing
co-housing
some
other
housing
types.
So
the
example
is,
you
know
it's
a
project
with
100
units
with
a
15
Iz
requirement
where
all
of
the
units
are
four
bedrooms.
Today,
the
the
inclusionary
zoning
units
would
all
be
required
to
be
four
bedrooms
and
while
there
may
be,
while
there
is
demand,
in
fact,
you
know,
we've
heard
from
from
CHT
and
others
for
two
three
and
even
four
bedroom
units,
not
likely
that
there
is
demand
for
this
number
of
large
four-bedroom
units
in
one
building.
AI
R
And
I
think
one
thing
that's
just
really
important
to
reiterate,
because
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
this
at
the
Planning
Commission
level.
Is
that
a
specific
example?
That's
in
front
of
you
contemplates
a
situation
where
the
market
rate
units
are
all
four
bedrooms
and
the
the
demand
for
inclusionary
units
might
vary
from
four
bedrooms
and
and
want
to
have
a
broader
range
of
unit
types.
R
AI
So
if
a
one
bedroom
is
one
thousand
or
that's
that'd
be
large.
If
a
three
bedroom
is
one
thousand
square
feet,
a
three
bedroom,
affordable
housing
unit
would
have
to
be
9
square
feet.
By
allowing
this
alternative
approach,
that'll
allows
this
altered.
Bedroom
mix
the
the
market.
The
sorry.
The
amendment
would
allow
for
unit
types
to.
G
AI
R
And
I
think
the
reason
s
necessary
is
just
in
the
end
of
requiring
units
to
be
compared
to
units
of
a
similar
size.
This
standard
in
some
ways
becomes
irrelevant.
There's
no
minimum
size
that
a
unit
must
be
if
there's
more
flexibility
in
the
bedroom
mix,
so
providing
some
flexibility
in
this
standard
is
necessary
as
well.
AJ
A
I
I
R
R
Right
so,
and
acting
attorney,
Sturdivant
clarification
to
the
question
often
comes
up
about.
How
much
can
you
change
something
after
you've
held
a
public
hearing,
so
I
think,
certainly
when,
if
you
warn
this
for
public
hearing,
it
will
come
back
to
you
for
another
discussion
at
which
time
you
could
consider
adoption,
you
could
make
further
tweaks
hold
another
public
hearing
or
you
could
reject
it,
so,
certainly
by
referring
it
Forward
tonight,
while
statutorily
it
puts
it
into
effect.
It
does
not
mean
that
you
cannot
have
further
discussion
or
modification.
I
I
believe
that
to
be
accurate
but
I
just
confirming
it
and
then
want
to
give
my
strong
support
of
that,
because
this
in
the
years
when
I
was
housing
developer.
This
really
is
problematic
that
you
don't
have
apples
the
apples
and
oranges
to
oranges.
When
we
went
in
a
number
of
years
ago
to
require
affording
housing
developers
to
give
high
priority
and
set
aside
units
for
folks
that
are
houseless,
you
know
they
may
not
want
a
two-bedroom
apartment
they
can
and
be
mindful.
Iz
does
not
require
you
to
subsidize
the
rent.
I
It
only
requires
you
to
set
a
lower
rent,
so
even
though
they're
making
them
available
still
doesn't
reduce
them.
So,
for
example,
two
Studios
may
be
a
much
better
fit
to
serve
two
houseless
people
than
a
two-bedroom
apartment,
which
of
course
is
a
demand
for,
but
this
is
just
a
big
match,
so
I
really
do
feel
and
I've
actually
felt
this
way
prior
to
city
place
that
this
is
something
that
we
really
needed
to
flex
about,
and
it
will
get
us
equal
space
that
we
have
now
and
potentially
more
units
and
I.
I
Think
that's
really
an
important
Point
to
point
out.
It
was
interesting
that
Mr
Kate
talked
about
the
housing
problem
and
the
number
of
households
which
is
gets
wonky,
quick,
but
one
of
our
housing
demand
problems
is
we.
We
have
more
demand
for
units,
and
this
is
actually
gives
us
a
little
flexibility
to
create
more
units
in
the
same
amount
of
space,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
R
R
I'll
say
that
the
two
points
that
are
in
front
of
you
tonight
were
items
that
were
debated
all
the
way
up
until
the
last
minute,
through
the
multiple
committees
and
groups
that
were
involved
in
the
comprehensive
review
of
our
inclusionary
policy
from
several
years
ago,
and
in
fact,
Michael
Monty
was
at
one
of
the
last
joint
committee
meetings
that
I
remember
before
that
referred
to
the
council,
really
advocating
that
we
think
differently
about
these
standards,
and
so
it's
in
a
lot
of
ways.
It's
no
surprise
that
this
has
come
up
again.
AE
I
think
I
have
to
start
with
an
apology,
because
I
just
found
the
email
for
the
second
meeting,
which
I
have
to
admit.
I
was
feverish
at
the
time,
so
I
must
have
just
clicked
on
it
and
completely
forgotten
anything
that
I
read
so
I
would
have
been
able
to
attend
anyway,
but
I
apologize
for
missing
the
meeting
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
I
I'm.
Also
supportive
of
this
I
think
my
only
concern
is
on
the
the
minimum
sizing.
So
I've
got
some
ordinance
level
questions
around
that.
R
AE
Great,
thank
you.
That's
helpful,
I
feel
okay,
I
think
about
so
I
think
it's
also
hard
for
me
to
not
compare
it
to
I
live
in
a
1,
000
square
foot,
two
bedroom
unit.
So
it's
hard
for
me
to
not
compare
it
to
that
and
when
I
start
to
think
about
a
four
bedroom
fitting
into
my
two
bedroom.
It
starts
to
feel
very
claustrophobic
very
quickly
and
I.
AE
But
I
would
definitely
just
thinking
about
how
much
a
kitchen
has
to
expand
realistically
to
accommodate
the
amount
of
people
who
are
living
in
a
four
bedroom.
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
we
changed
that
to
like
1150,
so
that
it's
more
of
like
the
same
type
of
increase
that
we
saw
with
the
other
units.
AE
AE
AI
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
most
most
communities
that
we
did
research
do
allow
some
flexibility
in
the
unit
sizes,
sometimes
depending
on
location,
sometimes,
but
there's
almost
always
some
flexibilities.
Burlington
is
really
the
outlier
in
not
allowing
sort
of
any
flexibility
in
the
icy
units.
AJ
AI
R
And
and
just
to
note
there,
the
ones
that
are
shown
as
Burlington's
former
standards.
These
were
in
the
ordinance
prior
to
that
comprehensive
review.
They
were
taken
out
because
they
were
static
and
not
responsive
to
the
changing
needs
of
households,
and
so
I
think
that
was.
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
when
this
came
through.
AE
Sorry,
if
I
can
just
and
I
think
also
even
just
looking
at
the
New
York
City
standards
and
the
fact
that
some
some
cases
were
below
them,
I
think
maybe
not
unreasonable
to
move
it.
So
maybe
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
make
that
motion
actually
then
to
change
the
four
bedroom
that
in
line
70
change,
the
line,
V
I'm.
Sorry
I
will
send
this
after
V
period,
four
plus
bedroom,
1050
SF
to
four
plus
bedroom
1150
SF.
AE
A
AE
AC
Q
A
AC
So
this
last
Amendment
and
what
have
you
actually
speaks
to
the
difficulty
of
this
process
because
it's
if
we
come
up
with
changes,
this
is
going
to
be
hard
much
harder
than
doing
it
in
a
committee.
Just
so
that
folks
know-
and
maybe
you
guys
don't-
you
know
looking
at
faces
and
they
go
I,
don't
know
what
you're
talking
about
or
so,
but
believe
me
this
will.
This
will
not
be
a
pretty
sight
if
we
don't
have
friendly
amendments
on
this,
so
your
memo
I
was
like
I.
AC
Have
this
note
I
happen
to
agree?
Obviously,
I
tried
to
second
that
that
Amendment
around
the
the
floor
area
that
counselor
Hightower
just
said
and
I
was
like
okay.
Would
you
share
your
research
on
this
stuff
and
I
looked
behind
me
because
it's
behind
me
and
I
I
see
that
it
is
there,
but
it's
not
in
the
memo
right.
So
again,
the
you're
gonna
it
for
this
process
to
work
well
and
I'm
sort
of
moving
to
not
voting
against
suspending
the
rules.
AC
Just
to
let
you
know
require
is
going
to
require
staff
to
be
sharing
lots
of
stuff
in
memos,
at
least
for
the
one,
maybe
the
one,
only
one
person
here
who
has
his
back
to
that
and
has
to
turn
and
go
back
and
forth
right,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
guess
I've
got
a
concern
that
we
are
not
making
our
inclusionary
units
big
enough
for
folks.
You
know,
that's
part
of
the.
You
know
the
the
segregation
that
we
are
actually
trying
to
eliminate.
AC
We
we
want
equity
in
it,
and
so,
if
we
we
need
to
to
really
be
considering,
you
know
the
fairness
and
adequacy
of
these
units.
Sarah
councilor
Carpenter
made
a
comment
that
I
just
want
to
confirm
in
terms
of
the
understanding.
If
you
are
going
in
this
new
flexible
mix
to
instead
of
putting
in
four
bedroom
places
put
in
one
bedroom
places,
that
means
that
you're
going
to
be
putting
in
more
units,
it's
you
know
and
so
and
you're
gonna
end
up.
R
Very
likely,
because
the
requirement
for
the
minimum
gross
floor
area
of
of
residential
uses
to
be
dedicated
to
inclusionary
units.
So
if
there
is
a
significant
difference
like
that
in
the
market
versus
the
inclusionary
units,
it's
very
likely
that
there
will
be
more
inclusionary
units
than
would
otherwise
have
been
required.
AC
R
AC
AJ
AJ
AC
In
other
words,
you,
the
reduction
in
the
in
the
in
the
bedroom
size
that
you're
allowing
here
will
not
result,
result
in
less
square
footage
that
will
be
ized
in
a
project
and
exactly
okay,
so
so
I've
I've
got
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
just
not
reduce
any
of
them
and,
depending
on
the
the
average
sale,
it
could
go
from
15
to
20
to
25
right.
So.
AK
AI
AC
AC
R
And
I
did
want
to
speak
to
you.
There
was
a
question
or
a
concern
that
was
shared
about
the
size
of
the
Iz,
the
minimum
sizes
for
the
Iz
units.
Again
I
think
you
know
this
is
to
help
provide
that
flexibility
as
we
move
away
from
the
bedroom
parity
requirement,
so
that
there's
a
minimum
standard.
But
again
these
are
minimum
standards,
and
these
only
apply
in
the
case
where
someone
is
taking
advantage
of
this
alternative
compliance
method.
R
So,
in
the
case
where
a
project
is
delivering
units
where
the
bedroom
mix
parity
requirement
is
still
being
met,
the
90
requirement
is
still
applicable
and
I
think
when
we
shared
the
sizes
of
the
units,
the
recommended
minimum
unit
sizes.
Previously,
we
did
run
this
by
both
CHT
and
a
market
rate
developer,
Eric
Farrell
at
Cambrian
rise
and
the
unit
sizes
were
within
a
range
that
the
market
both
of
those
markets,
have
been
providing
for
units
of
those
bedroom
sizes.
AC
Again,
I
think
that,
given
the
the
process
that
sharing
that
information
becomes
exceedingly
important,
since
you
are
making
me
a
Committee,
Member
and
I
have
to
then
you
know
deal
with
all
the
details.
Unfortunately,
for
everybody,
that
is
just
the
sort
of
way,
I
I,
just
to
say
that
I
I
am
convinced
that
this
is
an
appropriate
process
as
long
as
its
Integrity
is
kept
as
I
am
indicating,
by
sharing
lots
of
information
and
being
able
to
weather
the
the
potential
problems
that
just
procedurally
go
with
making
changes.
AC
If
we
decide
that
they're
going
to
be
changes,
I'm
not
sure
that
there
are,
but
it's
just
inherent
in
it,
and
so
when
you
all
propose
to
to
expedite
things
that
you
gotta
accept
the
the
bad
sides
of
of
that
process.
Thank
you.
I'll
be
supporting
this
as
long
there's,
a
long
way
of
saying,
I'll
support
this.
AK
Thank
you,
president
I,
don't
know
if
I'll
be
supporting
this
I
feel
I.
Think
the
point
that
councilor
Bergman
raised
about
the
equity
issue
with
the
square
footage
I,
think
it
just
yeah
off
the
cuff.
It
just
concerns
me
I
think
the
reason
why
I
brought
this
up
again
to
me,
New
York
City,
is
like
notorious
for
putting
people
in
shoe
boxes
and
I.
Just.
AK
AK
AK
AK
A
AK
A
I
I
Okay,
so
the
ICS
are
significantly
over
the
city
minimum,
so
these
are
much
larger
than
the
city.
Minimum
I
think
that's
important
to
point
out
and
they're
a
minimum,
not
a
maximum.
The
developer
will
develop
them
as
ceasefit
in
a
hundred
percent
or
not
even
100,
affordable
unit,
but
building
that
CHT
might
own
in
entirety
for
affordable
housing.
They
will
make
the
decision
on
the
unit
sizes,
and
this
has
been
vetted
with
them
so
CHT
when
it
built
its
own
freestanding
building.
These
are
kind
of
the
benchmarks
they're
using
now.
I
So
again,
these
are
the
minimums
and
they're,
often
more
depending
on
the
building
design,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
to
be
mindful
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
this
as
sort
of
segregating
and
I,
certainly
don't
see
it
as
a
quality
issue.
I
mean
finishes
and
all
that
good
stuff
will
be
the
same.
So
I
think
it's
really
to
just
to
get
a
mix
of
units
and
I
again.
I
understand
we
sort
of
leapfrogged,
but
it's
not
like
nobody
vetted.
I
I
I
do
think
that
the
the
minimums
that
you've
offered
are
just
that
and
you,
as
you
said,
if
we
enact
them
and
then
you
get
a
situation
where
you
can't
change
it,
you're
stuck
I
heinenberg
housing.
We
got
rejected
from
HUD
because
by
a
25
square
foot
difference
and
how
to
start
all
over
again
with
a
major
HUD
Grant,
because
we
didn't
fit
into
their
bucket
and
I.
So
I
just
caution.
AJ
I
would
I
would
just
point
out
the
the
sad
reality
of
the
cost
of
construction.
Today,
480
dollars
per
foot
is
a
fairly
typical
number
for
Affordable
housing.
Okay,
so
for
affordable
housing
at
480,
a
foot
to
construct
the
smaller
the
units
can
be
the
more
affordable
CHT
can
deliver
the
more
units
they
can
deliver.
AJ
The
more
actually
you
know
bring
units
online
I
would
also
note
and
councilor
Carpenter
references,
but
the
ordinance
is
very
clear
that
other
standards
apply
to
ensure
that
the
quality
of
the
units,
the
finishes
the
Energy
Efficiency-
has
to
be
at
least
as
good
as,
if
not
better
than
the
other
units.
Smaller
units
actually
are
more
efficient,
but
that's
another
issue.
So
as
far
as
quality
goes
you're
not
going
to
see
a
lesser
quality
of
units
as
a
result
of
this.
I
If
I
could
just
make
one
more
comment
and
I,
the
market
has
been
all
over
the
place.
We've
gone
from
really
small
units
and
back
in
my
old
days
to
really
big
units
and
we're
now
back
to
small
units,
I
mean
the
marketplace
in
New
York
City
is
you
know
going
to
micro
units,
so
I
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
be
too
afraid
of
it.
If
we're
looking
at
efficiency
in
shelter,
I,
wouldn't
I
would
not
be
afraid
of
that.
A
AE
Great
and
just
to
try
to
convince
some
of
the
folks
on
my
left
side,
who
are,
we
I,
think
we're
a
little
bit
less
convinced
by
the
free
market
and
the
I
do
I.
Think
I'm
still
very
supportive
of
this
and
I
think
that
if
folks
are
worried,
like
the
the
incentive
for
a
regular
developer,
to
make
the
units
very
small
is
they
can
increase
the
prices,
as
we
see
with
some
of
the
very
small
units
in
Burlington
a
lot
and
still
you
know
and
make
it
worse
like
this.
AE
Putting
it
in
a
kitchen
in
a
bathroom
I.
Think
that's
not
as
true
with
the
affordable
units,
because
the
rent
is
capped.
So
there's
actually
a
disincentive
to
some
extent
to
like
have
some
of
the
small
units
where
you
have
to
supply
a
kitchen,
a
bathroom
which
is
the
most
expensive
part
of
the
unit,
which
is
the
reason.
I
was
more
worried
about
the
four
bedrooms.
I
I
think
we
should
feel
comfortable
with
these
smaller
units.
AE
They're,
like
we
just
said
pretty
high
above
the
minimum
housing
standards
of
what
we
see
in
Burlington,
are
I.
Think
what
we
would
see
in
New,
York
and
I
think
that
they're
livable
I
would
live
in
I,
think
square
footage
units
with
the
350
and
so
I
think
those
are
more
livable
spaces
and
I.
Think
I.
Don't
think
that
developer
will
necessarily
be
incentivized
to
just
make
a
bunch
of
tiny
units.
AE
Q
President
Paul
I'll
try
to
be
brief,
but
I
think
that
not
everybody
deals
in
square
footage
of
living
space
every
day,
and
so
it
may
be
hard
to
kind
of
Envision.
You
know
what
is
this:
how
how
big
or
how
small
are
they
I
will
say
that
I
I
lived
in
a
two-bedroom,
725
square
foot
apartment
in
the
old
North
End
in
this
space
was
fabulous.
I.
Q
I
would
love
to
go
back
to
that
that
apartment
your
average,
your
typical
new
North
End,
has
you
know
many
many
many
three
bedroom
ranches.
They
are
mostly
925
square
feet.
A
few
of
them
are
less
than
900
square
feet.
That
seems
pretty
tight
to
me
when
they
get
less
than
900
square
feet.
People
love
those
new
North,
End
ranches
for
for
925
square
feet
in
in
the
three
bedroom.
I
have
always
been
concerned,
actually
that
we're
trying
to
create
affordable
housing
and
we've
really
we've
always
had.
Q
Q
There
are
we've
seen
many
houses
being
cut
up
into
apartments
that
have
a
lot
of
unusable
space
and
they
could
be
larger
and
far
less
functional.
When
you
have
newly
designed
units,
they
have
the
ability
to
make
that
space
really
nice
efficient
and
functional
and
I
think
that
these
numbers
look
ample
to
me
and
I.
Think
even
the
Cambrian
rise
has
I
think
they
have
market
rate
much
smaller
units
that
are
so
popular
I
think
this
is
great
and
very
much
the
direction
that
we
should
be
going
in.
Thank
you.
A
AK
AK
Actually
so,
and
I
I'm
happy
to
sort
of
I
think
think
more
on
that,
but
I
yeah,
my
off
the
cuff,
was
the
concern
that
we
were
sort
of
funneling,
poor
or
poorer
people
into
micro
units
which
doesn't
really
sound
super
great
to
me.
It
sounds
a
little
dystopian
where
you
have
people
who
can
just
afford
more
square
footage
and
I
think
there
are
plenty
of
reasons
why
you
know
ecological
reasons
or
resource
reasons,
to
look
at
the
square
footage
that
we
all
live
in.
I.
AK
A
You
thanks
counselor
Freeman,
so
the
motion
in
front
of
us
is
to
consider
this
a
first
read
waive
the
reading,
suspend
our
rules
and
set
for
a
public
hearing.
If
there
are
no
others
in
the
queue
and
no
others
that
wish
to
speak
will
go
to
a
vote.
Let's
just
try
it
by
voice
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
say:
I
I
any
opposed.
Please
say
no!
A
The
motion
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you,
director,
Tuttle,
for
your
work,
planner
Dillard,
as
well
as
ceto
director
Pine,
that
will
bring
us.
We
have
two
more
items
left
on
our
deliberative
agenda.
The
the
first
is
item
7.04
preliminary
short-term
rental
report
from
the
Department
of
Permitting
and
inspections.
For
this
item
we
have
the
director
of
Permitting
and
inspections,
Bill
Ward,
director
Ward
as
well
Patty,
wiemann
division
manager
of
the
housing
of
Housing
and
code
enforcement.
AL
I
can
definitely
keep
it
to
10
minutes
or
less
Famous
Last
Words,
even
if
Patty
disagrees
so
with
me
tonight,
at
first
I
have
for
those
hundreds
or
thousands
of
people
watching
at
home,
I'm,
Bill,
Ward
and
I'm.
The
director
of
Permitting
inspections
and
with
me
tonight
is
the
housing
division
manager,
Patty
Wayman
Patty's
been
doing
most
of
the
work
with
the
registration
contact
and
dealing
with
properties,
both
in
compliance
and
out
of
compliance.
AL
So
I
wanted
to
next
say
thank
you
to
the
council
members
and
to
the
mayor
for
your
patience
in
this
preliminary
report.
I've
been
putting
it
off
not
because
we
weren't
ready
as
much
as
we
didn't
think
the
information
was
as
valuable
until
we
at
least
got
to
a
50
threshold
of
properties.
We
thought
we
could
get
registered
and
have
them
in
there
we're
there,
and
this
is
preliminary.
For
that
reason,
we
probably
will
be
about
three
or
four
more
months
before
it's
final.
AL
The
initial
low
numbers,
as
you
saw
in
the
report,
were
a
bit
unexpected.
I
I
predicted,
probably
90
percent
compliance
in
the
initial
period,
but
we
really
didn't
know
and
we
didn't
have
the
specific
addresses
where
properties
were
short-term
renting,
so
we
relied
on
the
public
knowledge
of
all
of
the
meetings.
Most
of
you
are
at
them
in
that
led
up
to
the
passage
of
the
ordinance,
but
clearly
that
wasn't
enough
public
information
for
everyone
who
has
a
short-term
rental
to
register
on
their
own.
AL
Those
compliance
is
helping
us
take
those
800
and
some
odd
numbers
of
individual
listings
and
bring
them
into
a
workable
number
to
eliminate
those
duplicates
duplicates
to
get
us
down
to
what
they
say
at
the
date
of
this
report
was
that
269
short-term
rentals.
That
was
the
Burlington
number,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
report,
there's
a
few
sort
of
non-sequiturs
there,
because,
even
though
they
say
they're
Burlington,
some
of
them
are
not
because
they
geographically
are
just
across
the
Winooski
Bridge,
let's
say,
but
they
show
up
within
that
platform.
AL
The
others
are
on
the
other
side
of
Shelburne
Road.
They
show
up
in
a
geographic
area
that
looks
like
Burlington
to
someone
who's,
not
from
Vermont.
It
is
might
as
well
be,
but
they're
not
paying
taxes
here,
they're,
not
Burlington
residents.
We
eliminate
those.
We
get
that
269
that
they
have
reported
down
to
an
active
number
of
237.
AL
We
did
direct
Outreach
and
we
got
an
over
about
100,
more
properties
registered,
but
a
total
of
217
units.
Now
that
number
that's
in
my
report
is
159
properties.
Those
are
registered
in
our
opengov
database,
but
there's
a
bigger
number,
which
is
217,
because
again,
some
properties
have
more
than
one
rental
unit
in
them.
AL
So
we've
done
our
best
in
our
report
to
answer
questions
that
Council
had
provided
in
in
preparation
for
this,
so
I
didn't
go
into
too
many
other
details,
but
before
I
close
and
take
those
questions
for
clarification,
I
wanted
to
say
that
our
next
steps
will
be
continuing
the
rental
registration
process
for
long-term
rentals,
so
long-term
rentals.
The
reason
that's
important,
we're
pretty
confident
that
a
number
of
folks
who
had
rented
registered
last
year
in
February
and
March
of
2022
as
a
long-term
rental.
AL
Even
then,
they
didn't
have
a
method
for
registering
with
us
as
a
short-term
rental,
so
we
think
they
registered
as
a
long-term
rental,
but
intended
to
be
short-term
this
year,
there's
a
specific
option
to
register
as
a
short
term.
We've
already
seen
some
of
those
folks
change
their
registration
status
in
the
2
2023
data,
so
we'll
be
reviewing
that,
in
addition
for
those
registrations
confirming
that
any
property
that
was
previously
a
long-term
rental,
if
it's
now
a
short-term
rental,
we'll
be
doing
some
research
to
be
able
to
report
back
in
our
final
report.
AL
To
give
you
a
better
understanding
of
any
of
the
number
of
properties
that
were
long-term
and
not
now
are
short-term.
That's
going
to
take
some
work
on
looking
at
previous
years,
rental
registrations
to
go
back
a
significant
portion,
some
of
them.
We
know
offhand
they
they
are
new
units
and
they
weren't
previously
registered
as
short-term
rentals.
So
we
will
be
able
to
give
a
preliminary
report
on
that.
AL
That's
going
to
be
ending
here
in
a
couple
of
months
and
we
think
at
the
end
of
that
period,
when
that
ends
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
the
host
compliance
data
to
see
that
the
units
are
no
longer
actually
being
rented
because,
as
councilor
Bergman
pointed
out
before
we're
a
trust
but
verify
organization
ourselves.
We
trust
that
they'll
be
doing
that,
particularly
when
they
tell
us,
but
we'll
be
doing
the
work
to
verify
that
that
actually
happens.
A
AE
Thank
you
both
Patty
for
doing
all
the
work
of
enforcement
and
both
of
you
for
the
report
and
the
update
I'm.
Just
trying
to
understand
do
we
do
do
we
think
that
the
number
of
short-term
rentals
that
we
have
is
closer
to
the
I'm,
losing
it
now
but
800,
something
that
they
found
or
closer
to
the
200,
something
that
are
registered
closer.
AL
To
the
200
that
are
registered
again,
the
the
800
accounts
for
some
properties
that
might
be
registered
in
three
on
three
different
websites.
So
the
same
address
being
registered
on
three
different
websites
shows
up
as
only
one
registrant
in
ours
and
I.
Think
for
the
most
part,
host
compliance
has
done
a
great
job
at
limiting
those,
but
I
have
found
at
least
one
that
they've
listed
to
two
listings,
with
their
numbers
for
the
same
property.
Okay,.
AE
AL
AL
J
AL
AM
AM
A
AL
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
taxes
were
not
collected
the
person
it
could
have
been
a
person,
as
I
had
suggested
a
few
minutes
ago
who
they'd
been
registered
and
had
a
zoning
permit
for
a
short-term
rental.
It
was
their
misunderstanding,
but
if
they're
on
the
platform,
Airbnb
is
submitting
their
taxes,
regardless
of
their
registration
status
and.
AL
AL
Confirming
which
ones
are
I'd
say
most
of
the
properties
are
Airbnb,
but
those
will
be
the
ones
that
we
would
focus
on
for
enforcement
and
I
would
deferred
to
the
city
attorney's
office
on
how
we
would
go
back
to
retroactively.
Look
at
the
taxes,
but
I
do
think.
There's
a
there's
enough
data
in
host
compliance
data
to
show
that
when
they
were
active,
so
some
of
the
examples
that
we
learned
in
producing
this
report
was
that
host
compliance
can
tell
us
when
a
rental
was
last
active.
AC
I
would
like
us
to
have
a
full
info.
You
know
with
the
full
information
about
the
taxes
that
have
been
to
date
left
on
the
table,
and
my
recollection
is.
There
is
a
three-year
statute
of
limitations
and,
as
the
former
tax
collector
for
the
City
of
Burlington,
it
is
not
fun,
but
it
is
collectible
and
should
be
collected.
AC
It
seems
like.
Let
me
just
thank
you
for
for
the
numbers
there's
a
lot
of
units.
There
are
a
lot
of
bedrooms
here
that
are
have
been
that
are
off
the
housing
market
we
just
talked
to
to
UVM.
They
said,
don't
blame
us
for
everything
and
here's
an
example
of
a
real
and
palpable
impact
on
the
housing
crisis.
AC
AC
They're
445
bedrooms,
people
are
paying
like
a
thousand
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
bedroom.
That's
a
lot
of
that's
a
lot
of
money.
That's
a
lot
of
money
that
people
are
are
paying.
That
market
is
actually
not
very
competitive.
It's
a
monopolistic
Market!
It's
people
are
paying
outrageous
amounts,
so
it
would
be
good
to
know
that
we're
going
to
be
using
this
money
as
as
well
as
we
can
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
deal
with
a
problem
that
we're,
in
my
mind,
still
helping
to
create.
Thank
you.
N
N
N
AL
Those
were
not
designed
by
our
office,
so
those
I
don't
know
that
you
can
put
all
of
those
in
the
same
context.
They
weren't
designed
to
be
like
a
a
sum
when
you
add
them
all
up
together.
I
think
the
first
question
refers
to
the
single
units
and
the
second
question
is
talking
about
duplex
or
more
so,
and
then
the
other
ones
are
I.
Think
somewhat
separate.
You
can't
really
it's
not
a
we're,
not
subtracting
to
get
all
of
those.
If
that
helps
clarify.
N
AG
You
president,
Paul
and
I'll
be
short,
but
now
we'll
start
by
saying,
thank
you
so
much
because
you
just
solve
a
cold
case
in
just
six
months.
I
think
this
is
this
is
amazing.
Thank
you
and
I
think
you
know
the
amount
of
time
from
August
to
now
the
amount
of
work
that
you
have
done
to
reach
out
to
people.
AG
People
I
understand
it's
not
easy.
Right
and
again,
you
still
stay
very
humble
and
you're,
not
even
making
any
requests
about
Staffing,
because
you
had
all
the
work
to
do,
and
this
is
an
addition
and
you've
done
it.
I
can't
wait
to
see
the
final
product
in
June
of
2023
in
six
months
from
now,
but
I
also
want
to
suggest
to
please
next
time
maybe
bring
presentation
as
well
some
slides,
so
I
think
it
will
be.
AG
AG
AM
So
there's
two
forms
of
Revenue
that
are
coming
in
when
people
register
with
us
one
is
the
registration
fee
and
that's
by
ordinance
or
city
Charter
Ryan
wherever
you
are,
that
stays
with
our
division
department
and
then
the
taxes
that
are
coming
in
and
those
are
paid
from
in
many
cases,
from
the
host
directly
to
the
treasurer
or
through
the
pla.
The
platform
pays
that
so
those
are
the
two
we
haven't
I,
don't
know.
AM
AL
So,
just
as
a
rough
estimate,
it's
roughly
21
000
for
registration
for
the
existing
short-term
rentals
that
we
have
so
far
I,
don't
think
it's
realistic
we're
not
going
to
get
to
800.
There
were
just
for
a
point
of
reference
when
we
started
when
the
ordinance
passed
over
the
summer.
The
number
listed
on
host
compliance
was
286..
That
number
today
is
270.
It
looked
at.
It
was
269
when
I
prepared
for
the
report.
If
anything,
that
number
seems
to
be
dropping.
A
AA
A
No,
that
motion
passes
unanimously
with
our
thanks
to
both
of
you,
we'll
look
forward
to
further
updates
as
we
move
forward.
This
was
just
the
first
go-around.
Thank
you
with
that.
We've
reached
the
golden
hour
of
just
after
10
30,
so
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
suspend
our
rules
and
put
some
some
guard
rails
on
that
by
all
means.
AE
A
I
didn't
even
have
to
ask
for
one,
so
we
have
a
first
from
we
have
a
motion
by
counselor
Hightower
seconded
by
councilor
Barlow,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
suspend
our
rules
to
complete
our
deliberative
agenda.
Please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say!
No,
so
we
will
go
on
to
item
7.05,
which
is
a
communication
from
our
assistant,
City
attorney
Kyle
Kloss
on
proposition
zero.
A
Don't
know
if
you
would
like
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
so
much
for
waiting
until
10
30.
to
for
us
to
get
to
this
agenda
item
I.
Don't
know
if
you
would
wanted
to
offer
some
overall
comments
on
the
communication
or
if
you
wanted
us
to
go
to
the
council
for
questions
or
how
you
wanted
to
do
this.
AN
AD
Barlow,
thank
you,
president
Paul,
and
thank
you
for
the
memo.
There's
a
point
in
the
memo
where
you
talk
about
in
section
three:
the
interplay
with
the
mayoral
veto.
Sure,
and
and
could
you
explain
to
us
how
should
this
pass,
we
would
we
would
reconcile
the
sort
of
discontinuity
with
the
mayoral
veto.
G
AN
AN
J
AD
AN
Q
AN
So
I'm
going
to
try
my
best
to
stray
away
from
hypotheticals
and
not
get
out
over
my
skis,
but
I
will
point
to
what
is
in
the
charter
change
language
and
the
statute
that
I
mentioned
in
that
section
too
in
the
interplay
between
those,
because
a
specific
request
for
clarification.
There
I
believe
you're,
referring
to
the
subpart
D
under
petitions
and
I'll.
Just
read
that
now.
No
no
alteration
of
substance.
AN
The
City
attorney
has
authorized
subject
to
the
approval
of
the
council
to
correct
such
proposal
to
enact
ordinances
so
as
to
avoid
repetitions,
illegalities
and
unconstitutional
provisions
and
to
ensure
accuracy
in
its
text
and
references
and
clearness
and
Precision
in
its
phraseology.
But
he
or
she
shall
not
materially
change
its
meaning
and
effect.
AN
Now
that
the
statue
that
I
mentioned
in
section
217,
VSA
section
2645
a
5.
that
specifically
prohibits
the
legislative
body
from
amending
a
charter
change
the
language
of
a
charter,
change
and
proposition
zero
concerns
solely
binding
initiatives
to
enact
ordinances
referended
to
repeal
ordinances
or
the
non-binding
question,
which
really
isn't
dealt
with
in
much
detail.
Q
I,
don't
think
that
addresses
my
my
concern.
Isn't
the
difference
between
ordinances
and
Charters,
but
simply
what
are
the
tools?
Does
the
City
attorney
has
when
something
is,
let's
say,
legally
problematic,
but
not
not
meeting
the
standard
of
constitution?
You
know
it's
not
unconstitutional,
it's
not
illegal,
but
there
are
legal
problems
with
it.
Q
AN
Think
I'm
having
difficulty
understanding
a
situation
where
that
would
be
the
case
if
we
were
to
if
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
I
have
to
defer
to
my
the
experience
of
my
boss
here
I,
the
city's
attorney's
office
would
review
the
potential
ordinance
and
see
if
it
would
conflict
with
any
existing
ordinances
or
any
provisions
of
the
the
state
or
federal
Constitution.
But
I
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
situation
you
would
be
describing.
Q
Well,
I
think
we
have
many
situations
in
the
city
where
we
have
where
we
have
ordinances
that
are
legally
problematic
to
enforce
an
example
would
be
what's
currently
on
the
ballot.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
police
oversight.
So
that's
that's
one
example
and
we
can
debate
you
know
whether
or
not
that's
an
issue
or
it's
not
an
issue,
but
there
has
been
attorney
concern
about
that.
So
where
you
have
that
kind
of
concern
when
you're
reviewing
something,
what
is
the
place
for
it?
Q
If
you,
if
changing
the
language
to
remedy
that,
would
change
the
meeting,
you
can't
do
that.
So
what
would
the
city
attorney's
office
do
if
there
is
something
that
would
be
legally
problematic
for
the
city
attorney's
office,
to
defend
or
the
ordinance
to
become
law?
And
then
it
is
the
job
of
the
city
attorney's
office
to
defend
that
law.
AH
Q
Q
Q
AN
Q
AN
With
all
due
respect,
councilor
Shane
I
think
we're
mixing
hypotheticals
here,
so
it
I
think
it
we're
getting
a
bit
a
field
with
the
alterations
of
the
substance.
I
think
the
the
item
that
I
was
addressing
in
section
two
was
the
ability
to
make
material
changes
to
this
ordinance
once
it
is
proposed
and
that's
after
it
would
be
after
I
believe
it
would
be
after
the
petition
is
filed
with
the
city
of
four.
AN
Q
It
doesn't
seem
to
get
the
kind
of
legal
review
that
we
get
when
we
are
engaging
in
the
legislative
process.
The
bar
is
held
in
a
different
place
and
when
there's
a
problem,
if
we're
in
the
legislative
process,
you
alert
us
to
whatever
problems
that
that
you
see,
and
we
have
that
that
debate,
but
here
I
don't
see
how
those
kind
of
things
can
be
addressed
and
I
just
want
to
know
if
I'm
wrong
about
that.
Just
tell
me.
AH
I
mean
I
think
that
I
would
agree
to
the
extent
that
it
does
not
seem
to
contemplate
the
process
that
the
standard
ordinance
goes
through,
and
during
that
process
it
is
vetted,
and
it
goes
to
the
ordinance
committee
and
we're
looking
at
it
closely
during
that
time
frame.
This
has
a
very
tight
time
frame.
AG
First
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
because
of
the
amount
of
research
that
you
have
done
in
your
team
right
attorney.
I
think
you
have
done
very,
very
well
and
also
I
love
the
comparison,
your
your
findings.
You
did
not
only
base
it
to
just
a
municipality,
but
also
at
the
state
level
and
I
also
really
appreciate
the
way
you
carry
yourself
here
tonight,
not
getting
into
the
weeds
or
into
politics.
I
think
it
speaks
volume
to
your
professional
professionalism.
I
like
that.
Thank
you.
AG
AN
AG
AN
I
AN
I
The
other
concern
I
have
is
around
ordinance.
We
have
conflicting
ordinances
and
and
how
that
gets
resolved,
particularly
as
it
might
relate
to
say,
zoning
ordinances,
which
are
pretty
complicated
and
interconnected.
If
we
Zone
one
thing
one
way
and
it
conflicts
with
zoning
over
here.
How
does
that
get
dealt
with.
AN
Well,
that
is
another
area,
another
gray
area
and,
as
we
demonstrate
in
the
memo,
it's
not
clear
whether
or
not
proposition
0
reaches
zoning
ordinances.
There's
currently
some
provisions
of
the
CDO
that
permit
four
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
be
made
by
petition
with
five
percent
of
the
city's
voters,
but
it
proceeds
along
a
different
path
than
an
ordinance
that
arising
from
proposition
zero,
would
take,
and
once
again
it's
that
seeming
incompatibility.
AF
AK
That's
right,
I,
just
to
your
point,
counselor
Carpenter
I
think
it
seems
unlikely
that
there
would
be
competing
ordinances
so
to
speak
because,
like
excluding
any
and
all
common
sense,
it
seems
very
unlikely
that
voters
would
bring
forward
something
that
didn't
include
like
a
change
to
the
current
like
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
bring
to
competing
things
forward.
It
would
be,
it
would
probably
strike
some
of
an
existing
I.
Just
have
to
imagine
since
it's
what
is
it's
five?
It's
still
five
percent
of
voted
like.
AK
Why
would
five
percent
of
people
try
to
put
something
on
a
ballot?
That's
going
to
compete
like
that?
Just
doesn't
seem
it
doesn't
it's
it's
a
hypothetical
that
doesn't
seem
particularly
likely,
but
maybe
other
people
feel
like
there's.
That
is
likely
I.
Think
to
the
question
that
you
brought
forward
counselor
Barlow
about
whether
it
makes
it
well
thought
out
or
not
is
just.
AK
Was
frustrating
because
it's
it's
that's
so
political
and
it's
a
it's
a
judgment,
it
it
it's
just
it
was.
It
was
a
frustrating
question
in
my
opinion
and
to
ask
of
a
city
official,
it's
just
it's
a
political
question
really
and
I
think
that
for
me
reading
this
I
understand
that
there
are
some,
maybe
gray,
areas
or
questions,
but
I.
AK
AK
I,
don't
think
I'm
imputing
anyone's
motives,
but
okay
and
I
I,
just
foreign
I,
think
I'm,
responding
to
the
conversation
at
hand
which
is
about
the
and
anyway
I
know
that
it's
late
and
that's
more
what's
relevant,
but
everyone's
had
a
chance
to
talk.
I've
spoken
very
little,
this
meeting
so
about
the
legality
question
that
it's
a
matter
of
that
it's
a
matter
of
politics
and
and
I
actually
just
lost
my
train
of
thought
so
yeah.
It.
A
Q
It's
not
my
I
I
I
I
didn't
take
it
as
I
appreciate
the
defense.
I
didn't
take
it
as
imputing
my
intentions,
but
it's
an
important
Point
as
to
whether
my
question
is
political
or
if
it's
legal,
my
intention
is
not
about
the
politics
really
just
about
how
you
deal
with
legality
but
I'm,
going
to
leave
you
alone
on
that
topic.
Q
AK
AD
Barlow,
thank
you,
president
Paul
I
just
want
to
respond
briefly.
I
think
my
question
wasn't
meant
to
be
a
political
one.
It
was
meant
to
point
out
as
it's.
It's
actually
supportive
of
what
councilor
Carpenter
was
asking.
We
have
a
proposition
before
us
that
was
put
on
the
ballot
by
by
a
citizen
petition
that
is
in
conflict
with
exists,
our
existing
form
of
government.
It
doesn't
anticipate,
as,
as
the
memo
States
the
role
of
the
mayor
Obito.
AD
A
AK
Is
that
we're
not
okay,
so
I,
miss
then
I,
misunderstood
it
I
didn't
mean
that
you
I
meant
that
those
are
political
questions
in
like
big
p,
political.
It's
it's
a
matter
of
opinion
rather
than
like
a
a
matter
of
fact
is
what
I
meant
they're
they're
fine
questions
to
ask.
I
just
think
that
it's
important
to
point
out
that
they
are
of
a
of
a
political
like
big,
p
political
nature.
It's
a
it's
a
politicized
aspect:
I
I
mean
there
I
think
you
can
argue
that
that
legality
is
there's
a
politicize.
AK
It's
a
political,
it's
not
it's
something!
That's
political
right:
okay,
well,
okay,
we're
getting
too
far
into
that
debate,
then,
and
clearly,
I'm
have
the
only
one
with
a
lot
of
energy
to
discuss.
Is
that
this
late
hour,
so
I
will
I
will
wrap
it
up.
I
I
think
it's
a
fine
summary
and
thank
you,
but
it
to
me.
It
doesn't
raise
to
the
level
of
concern
around
the
the
underlying
question,
but
thank
you.
A
AC
You
I
don't
really
have
much
energy
here,
but
you
know
the
purpose
of
doing
legislation
is
to
pass
laws
that
are
coherent,
but
that
doesn't
always
happen
doesn't
happen
when
legislative
bodies
like
ours
does
it
doesn't
happen
when
the
legislature
does
it.
There
are
rules
of
statutory
construction
rules
of
statutory
construction.
Tell
you
how
to
deal
with
conflicts
within
laws.
AC
So,
for
example,
when
we
talk
about
the
city
council
in
the
petitioned
proposal,
and
then
we
go
to
the
section
46
well,
we
actually
need
to
go
to
section
36,
which
defines
the
city
council
as
for
purposes
of
the
governance
of
the
City
of
Burlington,
the
city
council
and
the
mayor.
It's
it's
an
odd
Construction,
but
it
it
makes
sense,
which
is
that
we,
together
mayor
and
Council
for
purposes
of
governance,
is
the
city
council.
So
I
can
read
the
language
when
it
comes
to
this
conflict
in
harmony,
if
I
put
other
Provisions
together.
AC
If
that
doesn't
work,
we
would
then
proceed
to
do
what
we
do
now,
which
is
fix
it
and
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
we
have
had
people
from
the
zoning
office
come
to
tell
us
that
we
need
a
technical
fix,
because
there
is
a
problem
with
the
way
that
we
did
stuff
so
that
stuff
happens
all
the
time.
It's
just
part
of
the
imperfection
that
we
as
legislators
have
inherent
in
being
just
people.
Okay,
so
I,
don't
know
if
I
heard
a
a
single
problem
with
this
that
wasn't
political
problem.
AC
One
can
disagree,
that's
fair,
but
the
question
of
how
this
can
work.
Clearly
it
can
work
and
where
there
is
ambiguity
right,
I
know
that
we
want
the
legislature
to
do
what
we
say
they
should
do,
but
I
did
not
hear
the
screaming.
That
came
when
the
legislature
said
to
the
City
of
Burlington.
We
are
going
to
change
the
ranked
Choice
voting
method
that
you
put
in
and
we're
going
to.
Let
you
do
this
by
ordinance
and
we're
not
a
lot
of
jumping
up
and
down
on
this
in
this
body
or
elsewhere.
AC
Sometimes
that
happens,
and
indeed
then
we
follow
up.
We
in
the
charter
change
committee
over
my
vote
and
objection
decided
that
the
new
proposal
for
ranked
Choice
voting
was
not
going
to
have
the
method
in
it,
and
the
majority
of
the
committee
said
that
that
was
just
a
better
way
to
do
it
and
that
follow,
and
one
of
the
reasons
was
because
the
legislature
did
that
the
last
time.
So
why
would
we
go
backwards
on
that?
These
things
work
themselves
out.
AC
I
I'm,
just
we're
talking
about
a
a
lawyer's
opinion
here,
trying
to
help
guide
us
and
I
totally
appreciate
it,
and
welcome
to
the
City
of
Burlington
and
I
will
not
get
into
a
political
debate
and
I
hope
that
we
don't
devolve
into
a
political
debate
about
this
ballot
item.
We
got
many
opportunities
to
do
that,
and
I
would
hope
that
at
this
late
hour,
that
I
wouldn't
have
to
be
prompted
to
go
back
and
be
more
energetic
because
we
got
engaged
in
a
at
a
political
debate
about
this.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
M
And
you
know,
I
appreciate
Council
bergman's,
point
that
you
know,
let's
not
have
a
11
o'clock
at
night,
extensive
debate
about
the
substance
of
this
ordinance,
I
I
will
just
say
having
grapple
with
our
Charter
for
11
years.
The
charter
is
actually
quite
thoughtful
currently
about
where
it
it
does
give
voters
a
great
deal
of
direct
democracy
within
within
our
ordinance
within
our
current
system.
M
That
is
there
I,
don't
share
councilor
bergman's,
full
confidence
that
we
can
just
count
on
the
legislature
to
to
sort
that
out.
So
I
definitely
find
myself,
as
with
prop
is,
as
with
about
question
number
seven
quite
concerned,
that
in
this
up
or
down
vote
that
the
kind
of
nuance
and
the
kind
of
detailed
conversation
we
have
here
will
be.
M
A
A
That
motion
passes
unanimously
in
the
words
of
one
of
the
one
of
the
other
one
of
the
my
colleagues
that
sits
at
this
table.
City
assistant,
City
attorney
cloth.
This
should
be
the
the
the
the
hardest
opportunity
that
the
the
most
difficult
opportu
report
that
you
have
to
give
to
to
all
of
us
and,
as
I
think
councilor
Bergman,
said,
welcome
to
Burlington.
Thank
you.
A
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
Just
before
we
adjourn
please
keep
in
mind.
Our
next
meeting
is
March
13th,
which
is
the
day
after
10
the
week
after
town
meeting
day
and
just
wanted
to
remind
the
public
to
be
sure
to
vote
on
or
before
March
7th.
You
can
do
so
by
returning
your
ballot
by
mail,
but
please
don't
do
it
after
March
1st.