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00:00:00 Call to Order/Agenda
00:01:00 Minutes of 5.23.23 and 6.13.23
00:01:20 Public Forum
01:01:11 N Winooski Ave Update
01:18:52 Resolution on VTANG Carbon Emission
01:40:23 McNeil - Next Steps
01:53:16 Director’s Report
01:57:32 Councilors’ Update
02:02:44 Next Meeting 7/25/23
02:02:56 Champlain Parkway Walkthrough
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A
B
Running
agenda
is
the
agenda,
so
I
would
move
to
amend
the
agenda
by
adding
a
a
section
we'll
say:
number
5.5,
a
McNeil
next
steps.
Okay,.
A
So
we
have
a
second
any
discussion.
All
those
in
favor
of
our
agenda
is
amended.
I
hope.
So
we
have
an
agenda.
Next
item
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
523
and
our
613
meetings.
A
Just
yeah
so
maybe
state
your
name
for
those
listening
and
then.
C
I'm
bringing
you
some
handouts,
this
is
a
handy
size
of
particulate
matter
which
the
top
is
the
human
hair
way
down
here
as
well
for
smoke,
and
here
is
the
particulate
matter
that
the
meal
produces.
I
also
have
other
handouts.
For
you,
though,
and
I'll
leave
with
you,
I
want
to
actually
focus
on
the
health
emissions
from
McNeil.
C
Congratulations,
it
is
meaning.
Code
does
not
correspond
to
what
medical
science
success
is
healthy.
C
C
So
particulate
matter
is
the
stuff
that
is
only
slightly
bigger
than
the
coronavirus,
so
nothing
in
your
nose
or
throat
filters
it
out.
It
gets
right
into
your
lung
and
right
into
your
bloodstream
and
it
stays
there
it's
cumulative.
C
Not
getting
even
more
of
that
with
the
requirements,
so
the
pulmonary
clinics
at
UVM
are
off
the
charts.
Every
time
this
wildfired
smoke
is
getting
into
yellow.
You
probably
don't
notice
it
unless
you
have
asthma,
but
it
is
a
horrible
impact
on
anyone
with
a
lung
problem,
a
heart
problem,
children
under
20
those
over
65
pregnant
women.
Nobody
in
those
categories
should
be
exposed
to
it
and
there's
this
myth
that
McNeil
is
safe
because
it
needs
code,
but
code
is
not
not
following
medical
science.
C
So,
in
addition
to
one
ton
of
particulate
matter
a
year,
the
last
report
said
you:
your
plant
was
1.2
tons
of
sulfur
oxide
and
that
also
has
many
negative
effects
for
human
health.
It
can
cause
nausea,
vomiting,
stomach
pain,
damage
to
lungs,
long-term
inhalation
exposure
causes
chronic
breathing
difficulties.
The
elderly
and
children
especially
not
be
exposed
to
it.
Your.
D
C
C
This
report,
when
I
show
it
to
people
with
science,
understanding
and
I
say.
Would
you
like
to
live
next
door
to
this?
They
won't
answer
my
question.
C
So
it's
not
exactly
a
welcome
neighborhood
surrounding
the
plant,
so
is
letting
out
vocs
which
cause
cancer
and
other
health
problems.
I
think
there's
plenty
of
other
people
in
the
room
who
can
speak
to
the
climate
problem
that
it
produces,
but
I'm
going
to
leave
you.
This
is
one
of
the
top
epidemiologists
she's
just
talking
about
Wildfire
smoke
in
this,
but
I
think
you'll
find
it
helpful
for
your
own
health
and
I
am
concerned
about
those
working
at
McNeil
and
I
am
really
concerned
that
the
scale
of
that
you.
C
E
F
Okay,
I'll
be
quick,
I
know,
you've
got
people
that
are
waiting
there,
I'm
I'm
wet,
but
at
least
I'm,
home
and
Commodore
right
now
from
our
motorcycle
ride
home.
Just
to
note,
and
based
on
what
the
previous
speaker
said,
I
think
you're
aware
that
McNeil
has
some
pretty
serious
issues
with
emissions.
Some
of
them
may
be
within
standards,
some
like
the
CO2
or
just
not
within
any
standard,
not
even
being
really
counted
against
this
plant.
F
One
thing
to
note
something
I
didn't
realize
till
recently
is
the
plan
for
the
steam
pipe
I
had
always
envisioned
that
as
waste
heat
waste
heat
that
was
going
to
be
generated
anyway
and
you
might
as
well
use
it
for
something,
but
that's
not
what
the
steam
pipe
is
the
steam
pipe
is
going
to
be
using
deemed
directly
off
the
boiler.
It'd
be
kneel
the
way
I
see
it
now,
that's
not
waste.
That
literally,
is
using
wood
to
produce
heat
instead
of
say
natural
gas
to
produce
heat.
F
It's
not
something
where
the
plant
basically
operates
the
same
way
and
the
heat
is
used.
Someone
else
benefits
this
plant
will
have
to
run
more
and
burn.
More
wood
to
produce
the
Steam
for
the
medical
center
and
I
think
you
should
look
at
it
closely
and
realize
that
so
we're
not
talking
about
everything
being
basically
the
same
way
or
no
worse.
The
steam
pipe
clearly
makes
the
pollution
from
the
plant.
Worse
I
think
you
just
heard
some
some
of
what
that
pollution
might
be,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
at
this
point.
F
To
look
at
this
project
and
decide.
Is
this
our
future?
Are
we
really
going
to
be
burning?
Wood
is
worse
than
any
fossil
fuel,
and
is
that
what
we're
headed
for
I'm
going
to
lock
ourselves
into
a
long-term
commitment
to
that
or
we
can
take
a
step
back
now,
not
move
forward
with
increasing
McNeil's
pollution,
but
with
some
kind
of
a
deliberate
way
of
phasing
the
meal
out.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
G
G
and
I
should
be
afraid
of
the
Heat
and
that
means
being
afraid
to
go
outside.
That
means
not
being
able
to
live
as
the
type
of
human
animals
we
are.
We
need
nature
we
need
to
be
outside
and
on
top
of
that,
I
have
three
children
and
they're
all
saying
we're
not
going
to
have
kids,
because
we
see
the
climate
changes
so
bad
that
they
may
not
even
be
able
to
grow
up
and
become
adults.
G
So
that's
why
some
first
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
resolutions
on
that
detained
carbon
emissions
and
that
it
seems
like
making
a
draft
trip
plan
to
eliminate
Aviation
and
brown
greenhouse
gas
emissions
at
the
the
Italian
Base
by
2030
is
something
something
that
we
need
to
be
doing
as
a
start.
G
Just
so,
we
know
that
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of
the
emissions
and
then
the
second
thing,
that's
part
of
this
proposal
is
to
make
known
by
recording
the
cap
would
make
known
a
record
of
the
calculations
of
the
aviation
and
greenhouse
gas
emissions
created
by
the
base
and
then,
of
course,
rounding.
The
F-35
would
easily
reduce
emissions
more
than
anything
else
that
we
can
do
at
Burlington,
and
it
would
be
a
lot
more
pleasant
to
live
in
a
city.
G
G
Maybe
that
causes
emissions
that
contribute
to
climate
change,
not
to
speak
of
all
the
other
effects
of
the
missions,
like
the
missions
like
Andrew,
spoke
to
so
I've
heard
that
the
steam
pipeline
may
increase
the
efficiency
of
McNeil
by
three
percent,
but
it'll
also
require
burning
more
wood
to
keep
enough
steam
to
the
hospital.
I
A
J
My
name
is
Dan
castragano.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
to
talk
to
today,
but
I'll
also
start
with.
Why
I'm
here
and
then
have
a
few
thoughts
on
McNeil
and
then
the
airport
too.
J
The
past
couple
weeks,
I've
done
a
series
of
talks,
just
teaching
people
about
the
state
of
the
climate
crisis
in
person
and
online
and
recorded
a
version,
send
it
around
and
sent
it
through.
You
know
you're
really
healthy
watch
it
things
are,
are
really
bad
to
say.
The
least.
J
J
Stop
earning
fossil
fuels
and
I'm
a
dad
I
have
a
young
son
I,
don't
care
for
him.
J
So
I'll
talk
to
McNeil
in
the
airport
too,
but
for
McNeil
we
we
can't
pour
any
more
Capital
into
a
super
polluting
plans.
We
can't
invest
more
money
into
something
that
has
to
be
retired.
We
need
a
phase
out
plan
and
I.
Think
it's
exceptionally
foolish
to
ask
for
Millions.
J
J
Just
write
both
of
these
monstrously
polluting
things
out
of
the
language,
then
you
can
say
that
zero
and
we
all
have
a
party
and
it's
you
know
you
can't
trick
that
atmosphere,
so
both
of
these
things
have
to
be
counted.
The
453
000
tons
annually
from
McNiel
and
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
times
from
the
airport
I
encourage
you
to
adopt
the
resolution
that
Pike
wrote.
J
F-35S
are
super
polluters,
22
gallons
every
minute
right,
one
minute:
one
plan
you
have
22
gallons
right
here,
that's
combusted
and
then
go
straight
to
the
atmosphere.
We
need
to
have
deep
growth
at
the
airport.
We
need
to
ban
private
jets.
We
need
to
do
a
lot
of
things
in
the
airport,
not
financially
incentivized,
more
growth
than
have
endless
expansion
among
the
other
things,
so
the
three
of
you
have
really
important
jobs.
J
A
D
Stop
is
that
okay
Pike
go
ahead;
okay,
thanks!
Sorry
about
that,
I
have
to
run
to
a
6
30,
so
I
really
appreciate
it.
Everyone
and
sorry
I've
been
a
stranger
at
these
committee
meetings
since
I
have
been
off
the
committee
I'm
gonna
change
that
and
get
more
involved
appreciate
the
work
you
all
are
doing
real
quickly
on
the
I
know.
D
You
all
didn't
end
up
taking
up
the
renewable
heating
ordinance,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
last
night,
Cambridge
Massachusetts
just
took
a
really
big
step
to
regulate
existing
buildings
and
require
large
commercial
buildings
to
eliminate
fossil
fuel
use
by
2035,
so
they're
joining
New,
York's,
New,
York,
City
and
Boston,
and
a
few
others
that
have
gotten
into
this
and
I
really
hope.
Burlington
can
get
on
that
Leading
Edge
and
get
something
in
place
soon,
because
we
need
a
framework
to.
D
So
I
want
to
encourage
you
all
to
accelerate
progress
on
that
and
I'll
I'll
be
connecting
with
you
all,
with
specific
feedback
on
the
nuances,
but
I
think
one
piece
is
like
the
urgency
of
getting
this
policy
in
place
and
then
from
there
continuing
to
improve
it,
but
having
that
framework
in
place
on
the
airport,
I
think
this
is.
This
is
a
great
step
and
thanks
to
Pike
and
everyone
who's
worked
on
this.
This
is
an
enormous
source
of
emissions
and
I
think
the
city
it.
D
It
can
be
easy
and
I
know
this,
because
I've
been
in
your
seat,
it
can
be
easy
to
kind
of
say
you
know
the
city
can't
control
this
or
can't
do
anything
about
this
I.
Don't
really
believe
that,
though
the
city
does
own
the
airport
right,
the
city
owns
the
airport,
so
there's
got
to
be
some
leverage
and
I.
Think
it's
a
matter
of
flexing
that
power
that
the
city
does
have,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
strong
voice
and
maybe
a
more
unified
voice
from
the
city
in
order
to
have
any
leverage.
D
I
would
say
the
only
so
I
encourage
you
to
move
forward
on
this
resolution.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
I
would
love
to
see
maybe
some
more
accountability
within
the
resolution
for
the
city,
because
I
worry
that
the
way
it's
laid
out
now,
it's
just
asking
these
other
more
powerful
entities
to
do
stuff,
and
if
they
just
ignore
the
resolution,
then
then
what
is
my
concern?
I,
don't
see
in
place
follow-up
for
the
city
if
these
entities
ignore
the
resolution,
so
that
would
be.
D
E
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
finally
bringing
up
the
the
resolution
that
the
city
council
looked
at
and
passed
on
to
to
in
November
I
believe
councilor
Barlow.
You
said
you
wanted
to
talk
to
the
vitang
before
you
adopt.
You
brought
it
up
here,
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
hearing
the
results
of
those
conversations
tonight,
if
possible,
back
in
April
Nick
Longo
presented
a
PowerPoint
preservation
presentation
about
emissions
at
the
airport
and
I.
E
Thank
him
for
finally
recognizing
that
the
airport
creates
emissions
above
3000
feet
above
ground
level
and
I
appreciate
that
some
of
those
numbers
might
get
in
some
kind
of
document
that
the
airport
releases
I
believe
those
numbers
should
be
into
the
in
the
Burlington's
climate
action
plan
or
the
Net
Zero
initiative,
as
they
now
call
it,
because
you
need
to
count
all
these
emissions
if
we're
going
to
reduce
them.
That's
the
first
step
the.
E
Resolution
that
you're
going
to
consider
tonight
I
think
is
a
first
step
but
I
think
it's
a
baby
step.
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
that
three
thousand
over
three
thousand
airports
in
the
country
exist
and
are,
and
do
very
well
without
a
detang
support.
E
E
Do
it
and
22
years
ago,
when
I
pushed
a
bit
Blackwood
attorney
Blackwood
at
the
time
came
up
with
a
number
about
two
little
over
two
million
is
what
we
saved
for
fire
Services
there.
That
is
a
net
loss.
When
you
look
at
280
Acres
that
we
give
away
every
year.
E
And
I'm
not
here
to
do
the
numbers
with
you
now,
but
back
to
the
20
of
the
April
Nick
Longo
presentation
that
was
from
he
looked
at
emissions
from
2019
and
subsequently
asked
for
the
data
from
him
and
from
the
city
through
public
records
of
Fest.
And
the
answer
was
well.
We
don't
have
the
vtang
2019
data,
so
I'm
bringing
it
up
yet
again,
because
I
have
to
question
the
numbers,
if
they're
presenting
numbers
and
they
don't
have
the
data
to
back
them
up.
I
E
The
end,
what
we
do,
if
we're
gonna
solve
the
climate
crisis,
we
need
to
do
it
by
Leading.
We
need
to
lead
by
example,
forget
about
the
Net
Zero.
Let's
do
zero
emissions
in.
I
E
The
electric
sector,
we
hear
I,
guess
I'm,
mixing
my
topics.
Now
we
hear
from
Darren
Springer
that
you
know
if
McNeil
disappeared,
we
have
to
buy
on
from
the
iso
New
England
grid
and
it
would
be
Natural
Gas.
E
Sixty
percent
of
our
our
electricity
comes
from
hydro
and
the
other
30
or
40
could
come
from
Hydro.
If
there
was
planning
I
sent
to
you,
the
Northfield
Pump
Station
information
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
there's
just
not
any
real
planning
ahead
to
phase
out
McNeil
and
there
needs
to
be,
but
back
to
the
resolution,
I
think
that
that,
as
a
first
step,
things
need
to
be
counted
and
as
a
second
step,
we
need
to.
If
the
Air,
Force
and
V10
cannot
reduce
their
emissions.
E
We
need
to
ask
for
a
non-flying
mission.
The
city
council
asked
for
a
different
Mission
flying
Mission
a
year
ago,
two
years
ago,
three
years
ago,
sometime
during
the
pandemic
and
if
you're
not.
E
With
it,
I
can
send
that
resolution
out
to
you
it's
time
to
go
back
and
say
we
would
like
a
non-flying
mission
because
we
need
to
reduce
our
emissions,
because
people
are
dying,
because
this
is
an
existential
threat,
because
the
mayor
said
so
in
April,
and
then
moments
later
explained
how
we
need
to
expand
the
airport
I'm
rambling
now.
I
know
that,
but
so
I'm
sure
there's
a
lot
more
I
want
to
say
and
you'll
I
mean,
and
you
know
you're
going
to
hear
it
from
via
email.
E
But
thank
you
thank
you
for
taking
this
up
and
thanks
for
listening
thanks.
A
Babe
next
we
have
Colin
Larson.
M
Hi
all
so
I
know,
you've
heard
a
lot
already
about
climate
concerns
about
air
quality
concerns
about
all
of
that.
I
do
want
to
remind
you.
All
of
the
global
warming.
Solutions
Act
passed
by
the
state
state
has
a
Target
that
we
have
to
meet
in
two
years
in
2025.,
based
on
testimony
from
the
affordable
heat
act
from
the
last
legislature,
we're
not
on
target
to
meet
that.
M
We
cannot
afford
to
not
take
a
whole
of
government
approach
when
it
comes
to
reducing
emissions,
and
that
includes
the
airport,
and
that
includes
McNiel,
and
that
starts
with
proper
accounting
which
we're
not
doing
right
now.
So
you
know
this
is
kind
of.
It
seems
like
that.
The
airport
has
kind
of
been
this
like
thing
that
no
one
wants
to
take
responsibility
for
the
airport.
Commission
is
kind
of
passed
on
on
taking
this
up
that
the
state
even
apparently
mentions
Aviation.
M
It's
carbon
footprint,
you
know
pathway,
so
we
need
a
little
bit
of
leadership
here
and
I.
Think
this
Council.
A
M
That
take
this
up
pick
up.
The
resolution
McNiel
was
kind
of
I.
Do
want
to
talk
about
that,
a
little
bit
so
I'll
just
I'll.
Just
move
to
that
now.
You
know
the
40
million
dollar
expansion
for
this
steam
pipe
project.
As
others
have
said,
this
will
prolong
the
life
of
the
plan.
We
shouldn't
be
doing
that
that
money
can
be
much
better
spent
elsewhere,
especially
if
we're
planning
long
term,
for
you
know,
Green
energy
production
when
we
phase
out
McNeil
think
about
what
that
40
million
could
do.
M
In
addition,
we
know
mcniel's
going
to
be
losing
Revenue
as
the
end
of
this
sort
of
carbon
offset
scheme
that
other
states
have
purchased
from
it.
So
we
also
have
to
ask
ourselves:
is
this
planning
been
financially
viable
at
this
point
and
if
it's
not,
why
are
we
going
to
prop
it
up
with
additional
investment?
N
Hey
y'all,
Connor
Awards
commit
an
awards
too
nice
to
be
here.
Thanks
for
listening,
did
you
all
get
the
part
about
the
carbon
offsets
and
that
sort
of
thing
for
like
to
that
like
makes
sense,
renewable
energy
credits
and
stuff
like
that?
Okay,
just
wanted
to
check
so
I
I
guess
I
was
thinking
about
if
you're
talking
next
steps,
I
think
what.
I
N
Implied
in
a
lot
of
this,
like
oh,
like
hold
off
a
McNeil,
we
shouldn't
be
expanding
right
now
is
that
we
need
to
figure
out
what
else
we
can
do
and
I
actually
think
that,
maybe
that's
something
that
we
can
work
on
together
as
as
constituents
after
this
and
be
honest
subcommittee
is
like
yeah.
What
is
next,
what
is
the
plan
that
that
could
potentially
replace
it?
N
You
know
if,
if
we
wanted
to
go
down
that
line,
and
so
I
feel
like
that,
that
feels
like
a
pretty
natural,
reasonable
next
step
after
the
Symposium
is,
you
know,
commission
a
study
and
being
like
what
would
it
look
like
and
how
long
would
it
take
and
what
does
that
mean
and
I
was
reading
up
on?
N
You
know
beds
like
District
energy
plan
and
they're
spending,
a
ton
of
money
on
a
plan
like
figuring
out
the
proposal
for
that
District
energy,
like
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
and
I,
think
that
a
a
plan
for
like
figuring
out
what
other
Alternatives
were
Burlington's
electricity
would
be
would
certainly
not
cost
that
much
like
and
so
I
figured.
It
might
be
something
to
consider.
N
If
that's
at
all
possible
and
if
that's
not
within
your
life
wheelhouse-
and
you
need
support
with
that,
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know
the
activists
and
organizing
Community
might
be
able
to
to
help
with
as
well.
So
if
that's
at
all
possible
just
you
know,
let
us
know
and
we'll
try
our
best
to
help
out
as
we
can
so
yeah
and
then
I.
N
A
Today,
thanks
thank
you.
Nexus
James,.
O
O
There's
federal
law
and
there
are
FAA
Grant
assurances.
The
airport
gets
these
grants
and
has
to
sign
a
contract
with
the
Federal
Aviation
Administration
of
one
experience
and
those
Grant
assurances
weigh
out
what
the
federal
law
is.
Regarding
limits
that
the
air
that
the
city
can
place
on
Aviation
at
the
airport-
and
there
are
things
the
city
can
do
they
enable
municipal
airport
Proprietors
to
establish
non-discriminatory
standards
so
long
as
they
apply
to
all
the
aircraft
using
the
airport.
That's
the
basic
rule
for
standards
that
the
city
wants
to
apply
now.
O
P
I
O
O
The
F-35
only
gets
0.5
passenger
miles
per
gallon
200
times
less
most
of
the
luxury
private
aircraft,
the
ones
that
exclusively
serve
a
tiny
fraction
of
the
one
percent
get
between
10
and
45.
passenger
moments
broke
out.
So
Burlington
can
use
its
airport
proprietor
authority
to
establish
a
minimum
passenger
miles
per
gallon
standard
or
the
equivalent
in
tons
of
cargo
miles
or
down
and
setting
it
at
50
passenger
miles
per
gallon.
O
It
allows
the
fa
that
allows
the
F-35
to
use
the
Air
Force
for
hundreds
of
training
flights
each
month,
even
though
that
aircraft
wildly
exceeds
the
FAA
noise
standard
that
limits
the
noise
of
all
civilian
aircraft.
That's
discrimination.
All
these
F3,
the
F-35,
gets
the
ability
to
do
something
with
civilian
Airlines.
The
civilian
fights
of
all
kinds
cannot
do
under
FAA
rules,
so
the
airport
could
simply
apply
the
exact
same
FAA
noise
standard
and
make
it
a
a
Level
Playing
Field
for
all
the
aircraft.
O
Okay,
so
just
doing
that
just
saying
all
aircraft
at
this
airport
must
meet
the
FAA
standard.
It's
already
there
that's
applied
for
civilian
aircraft.
Every
Democrat
has
to
do
that.
Nobody
can
complain
that
you're
being
discriminatory
if
you're
applying
the
same
standard
for
civilian
to
the
military
for
noise,
and
that
would
solve
the
F-35
problem.
O
Now
one
of
the
most
important
purposes
of
the
FAA
noise
standard
is
to
protect.
Particularly
children
are
deeply
affected
by
this
incredible
law.
It's
not
only
their
hearing
but
they're
cognitive
development
and
we've
heard
that
from
the
chief
pediatric
neurology
at
the
University
of
Vermont
Medical
Center.
O
First
of
all
to
end
the
gross
discrimination
by
establishing
a
requirement
that
copies
the
FAA
standard
and
applies
it
to
all
Aircraft
so
that
there
are
no
exclusions
or
exceptions,
and
it
includes
the
F-35
and
I
have
on
the
back
of
this
sheet,
where
I
copied
from
the
FAA
Grant
assurances.
So
you
could
see
for
yourself
what
the
rules
are.
A
You
know
things
yeah
I
just
have
some
other.
O
Speakers
I
just
have
one
moment:
the
Burlington
government
may
be
unique
in
knowing
about
a
severe
harm
to
more
than
a
thousand
children
who
live
in
the
among
the
6,
000
people
and
extreme
noise
Zone,
and
it-
and
it
knows
it
has
the
power
to
stop
the
harm
without
any
cost
to
the
city,
and
it's
still
not
using
that
power.
How
could
that
be
explained?
O
Nowhere
else
in
the
country
is
that
being
done
so,
under
the
leadership
of
this
committee,
Burlington
didn't
do
much
better,
urging
the
teuc
to
submit
draft
ordinances
to
the
city
council
that
implement
the
airport
proprietor
power,
to
set
fuel
efficiency
standards
and
to
set
noise
standards
for
the
airport.
That
would
be
non-discriminatory
and
would
fix
these
problems
to
save
both
the
planet
and
the
children.
Now.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Q
Another
High
Hope
of
not
being
here
please
bear
with
me
because
new
to
public
speaking,
yeah
so
I
think
regarding
the
tree
burning
plant.
What's
the
name
of
that
again,
you
know
mcniel's
plant,
so
apparently
that's
very
dirty
emissions
and
in
regards
to
the
climate,
that's
what
we
want.
We
want
to
have
dirtier
emissions
because
aerosols
are
the
well.
Q
Q
Don't
know
exactly
about
seven
million
people
who
lose
their
lives
each
year
to
atmospheric
pollution,
completely
unrelated
to
CO2
levels,
so
I
just
want
to
put
the
cumin
condition
at
the
center
stage
and
because
this
is
these
are
the
lives
that
are
most
valued
and
is
the
center
of
our
debate
is
the
quality
and
maintenance
of
our
of
our
societies
and
regarding
the
Jets.
Now
they
have
very
clean
fuel,
which
is
better
for
the
short
term
long
help
of
people.
Q
Although
it's
very
potent
CO2,
it
has
it's
all
greenhouse
gases
when
you
burn
the
jet
fuel,
so
things
like
that
are
extremely
impactful
compared
with
all
other
kinds
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
it's
more
impactful
than
than
the
kind
fully
used
to
drive
your
car.
Q
So
but
honestly,
that's
my
last
concern
regarding
the
Jets.
That's
at
the
bottom
of
my
list,
because
no
one
told
me
about
the
Jets.
You
know
how
I
found
out
about
them.
I
moved
to
Winooski
and
I
said
well.
This
is
just
I
can't
handle
it.
It's
not
physically
I'm
a
person
with
a
history
of
physical
mental
health
struggles
that
worked
through
during
that
time,
but
the
Jets
were
not
an
okay
part
of
that
for
me,
so
I
went
and
found
an
online
group.
How
can
we
address
this?
Q
How
can
we
make
this
place
more
habitable
and
to
up
to
something
James
said
yeah,
the
chief
of
pediatric,
neurology
at
UVM,
did
come
out
with
a
formal
statement
comparing
the
damaging
effects
of
the
jet
noise
to
lead
exposure
in
young
children.
So
the
fact
that
that's
not
the
first
concern
in
protecting
people's
healths
and
particularly
the
young
People's
Health,
is
I,
don't
know
where
the
the
human
concern
got
lost,
but
there's
a
disconnect
between
the
heart
and
the
mind
that
has
to
be
regained
with
the
reconnection.
Q
So
we
are
not
prioritizing
violence
and
extremely
destructive
machine
practices
over
the
conscious
lives
of
individuals
who
are
going
to
be
responsible
for
guiding
this
ship
of
humanity
into
the
future,
but
very
real
stuff.
It
seems
abstract,
but
we're
all
going
through
this
process
together
and
so
all
right,
that's.
My
big
question
is:
why
aren't
we
talking
about
People's
Health,
people's
Mental,
Health
and
childhood
development
and
we're
just
going
to
be
green,
watching
everything
as
if
human
values
don't
matter?
Q
The
only
thing
we
care
about
is
a
number
in
the
sky,
and
so
I
think
we
really
need
to
get
our
priorities
correct,
like
I,
don't
know
exactly
the
rule.
We
all
play
in
this,
but
I
think
if
we
start
thinking
in
a
more
unified
way
about
how
to
address
ecological
catastrophe,
of
which
climate
change.
Global
warming
is
really
just
a
small
symptom
that
just
causing
flooding
and
wreak
havoc
and
specifically
in
low
lower
Island
places,
not
necessarily
in
America
right
now,
but
America,
you
know,
is
part
of
we're
all
connected
right.
Now.
Q
It's
just
poor
people
in
low
sea
level,
Nations
like
Bangladesh,
who
are
millions,
are
losing
a
homosexual
flooded,
and
this
is
obviously
not
our
Direct
responsibility
or
a
direct
fault.
But
we
as
a
vermonters
have
a
lot
of
influence
in
the
most
powerful
country
on
Earth,
the
United
States
of
America,
and
because
we
have
two
congressmen,
I
think
some
good
monster
and
the
Spaghetti
Monster,
so
that
they
represent
our
state
and
I
was
just
surprised.
Bernie,
Sanders
didn't
step
in
he's.
Q
A
Spaghetti
Monster
is
to
protect
our
our
our
people,
our
citizens,
you
know
God,
he
cares
about
monsters
and
then
the
other
guys.
The
pizza
monster
so
then,
and
I
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
power
to
influence
their
decisions
and
to
be
real
players.
Q
Real
peacemakers,
rather
than
just
you
know,
working
together
with
the
aviation
industry,
who
puts
Industrial
Enterprises
all
over
the
country
to
glean
political
influence
which
we're
just
playing
right
into
using
our
our
quality
of
life,
just
as
a
gift,
I
guess
for
these
violent
proclivities
that
that
somehow
happen,
I
think
based
out
of
fear
not
out
of
conspiracy
or
or
a
love
of
catastrophe,
but
just
out
of
fear
really
and
there's
no
need
for
that,
because
everyone
wants
to
work
together
and
we
all
want
to
protect
our
families
and
the
future.
A
I
think
that's
the
end
of
our
in-person
comments.
I'm
just
going
to
timekeep
for
us
a
little
bit
I'd
like
to
wrap
up
a
comment
up
in
the
next
at
6
48
by
7
at
the
latest.
So
please
keep
that
in
mind.
As
you
comment
and
our
next
speaker
will
be
Ashley
Adams.
R
R
I
think
that
we
know
from
the
McNeil
biomass
Symposium
on
June
13th,
that
it's
time
for
truth
telling
around
carbon
emissions,
whether
those
emissions
are
from
burning
trees
at
McNeil
or
doubling
down
on
McNeil,
by
spending
42
million
on
a
misguided
steam
pipe
to
the
hospital
and
thereby
burning
out
more
trees
or
from
Passenger
Jets
or
from
the
F-35
Burlington,
really
owes
it
to
us
to
its
residents,
to
our
children
and
to
Future
generations
to
start
telling
the
truth
and
counting
all
emissions.
R
The
aspirational
language,
such
as
that
contained
in
the
Air
Force
climate
action
plan
in
Burlington's
2019
Declaration
of
climate
emergency
is
really
just
meaningless
if
it
isn't
backed
by
action
Beyond,
accurately
accounting,
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
all
sources.
Such
actions
should
include
calling
for
a
non-flying
mission
for
the
F-35,
which
burns
22
gallons
of
fuel
per
minute,
causing
damage
to
our
environment.
R
In
addition
to
daily
harm
to
the
human
beings
who
live
around
the
airport,
we
need
to
tell
the
truth
not
only
about
emissions
but
about
the
Injustice
of
this
plane
spacing
in
close
proximity
to
densely
populated
communities,
and
let
me
tell
you
it
is
real
suffering:
I,
don't
live
in
it,
but
I
work
in
it
and
I
invite
you
to
come
over
and
and
experience
the
bottle,
the
bodily,
the
the
real
pain
that
it
causes
to
human
beings.
We
aren't
we
aren't
built
for
that.
So
just
to
leave
you
with
this
and
I
know.
A
P
P
Energy
and
utilities
are
also
words
in
the
committee's
name
that
overlaps
with
the
Burlington
electric
plate
commission's
specific
turf,
but
when
the
commission
makes
mistakes
managing
the
electric
Department,
it's
everyone's
duty
to
step
in
and
help
them
correct.
Those
management
errors,
an
essential
aspect
of
managing
a
utility.
An
expectation
of
regulators
at
the
puc
who
approve
major
decisions
and
rate
increase
requests
is
prudent.
It
is
the
test
of
a
utilities
decision
imprudence
leads
to
rate
case
denial
and
bankruptcy,
as
in
the
case
of
the
investor-owned
utilities.
P
In
the
aftermath
of
the
1990s
Hydro
Quebec
Vermont
joint
owner's
contract.
There
are
lessons
to
be
learned
from
that
mess
right
around
the
same
time
as
the
big
utilities
were
leading.
The
small
utilities
toward
financial
disaster
had
the
honor
and
pleasure
of
joining
bureaucrats
and
environmental
groups
and
many
of
those
same
utilities.
Technical
staff
in
the
publicservice
board's
docket
5611
investigation
into
environmental
externalities.
P
This
was
in
1992
and
93..
We
spent
many
months
meeting
with
experts
listening
to
the
best
researchers
about
all
sorts
of
environmental
impacts
of
utility
decision
making.
Ultimately,
a
rule
was
drafted
which
excluded
Forest
biomass
from
the
definition
of
qualify,
renewable
resource
and
I
will
read
from
page
14
of
draft
7.
P
P
P
I
point
all
this
out
to
alert
you
to
the
fact
that
regulators
and
utility
companies
have
been
well
aware
of
the
fact
that
biomass
plants
are
high,
polluting
power
plants,
there's
no
escaping
that
knowledge.
P
S
Hi
yeah
I'm
down
in
Chester,
so
I
don't
live
in
Burlington,
but
this
affects
me
just
as
much,
except
for
the
fact
that
I
don't
have
to
I.
S
Don't
have
to
have
the
pain
of
having
the
f-35s
fly
over
me,
though
periodically
something
does
and
I
I
wonder
if
that's
them
coming
down
here
so
I
officially
want
to
support
the
vitang
resolution
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
there's
another
issue
that
isn't
getting
as
much
attention
as
climate
change
and
as
it
and
but
is
just
as
important
and
critical,
and
it's
the
biodiversity
emergency
or
biodiversity
crisis.
S
You
know
we
just
had
so
burning
wood
is,
is
driving
excessive
logging
and
destroying
habitat
for
Forest
species
and
as
well
as
destroying
a
free
and
very
effective
solution,
which
is
the
forest,
and
it's
it's
increasing
already.
So
when
biomass
is
burned,
it
is
and
destroying
this,
for
us
is
increasing
already
overpopulated
deer
population.
S
That's
also
not
allowing
any
cut
forests
to
regenerate
and
to
regrow
when
biomass
burning
is
continued
and
expanded,
such
as
is
happening
in
Europe
and,
as
will
happen
as
you
continue
to
burn
and
McNeil,
and
even
increase
it
by
using
this
this
scheme
to
continue
it
by
the
steam
transmission.
More
deforestation
occurs.
You
know
we're
losing
forests
all
over
the
place
everywhere,
it's
contributing
to
climate
change
and
biodiversity
loss,
and
we
have
see
it
happening
down
in
the
South
to
fuel
the
plants
over
in
Europe
and
around
the
this
country.
S
S
Mcneil
is
feeling
more
logging
in
this
time
that
nationally
we're
put
we're
trying
to
focus
on
our
lack
of
old
growth,
forests
and
after
hearing
about
the
Urgent
biodiversity
crisis,
from
cop15
up
in
Montreal
recently
and
and
Biden's
focus
on
that
last
Earth
day
and
this
Earth
Day
right
now,
we
have
as
much
Old
Forest
as
the
amount
of
young
forests
that
we're
supposed
to
have
we're
only
supposed
to
have
one
to
three
percent.
S
Maybe
a
little
bit
more
of
young
forest,
all
in
very
tiny
patches
and
McNeil
and
and
it's
burning
of
forests
is
increasing
both
climate
change
and
biodiversity
loss.
S
You've
heard
a
little
bit
about
that
already
and
I
think
I'm
gonna
finish
up
since
you
want
to
stop
at
Seven,
but
I
could
talk
more
about
the
diversity
loss,
fueled
by
McNeil,
but
I.
Think
we
and
and
well
not
just
McNeil,
but
burning
biomass
in
general.
S
So
please
do
not
continue
working
with,
but
with
McNeil
and
and
really
take
the
the
ethical
move
to
phase
bio
biomass,
burning
out
and
phase
out
McNeil
and
don't
continue
using
it.
It's
it's
unethical
and,
and
everybody
has
eyes,
your
eyes
have
been
opened.
You've
seen
the
data
and
you've
seen
seen
the
truth
and
it's
time
to
move
on
away
from
burning
up
our
forests
and
thanks
thanks
very
much
for
listening
to
me,
because
it's
just
as
important
to
me
down
here.
S
A
Thank
you
and
I'm
going
to
close
public
comment.
A
T
T
I
am
following
up
from
the
April
17th
council
meeting
where
to
council
passed
a
resolution,
I
think
brought
forward
by
councilor
Bergman
here
to
refer
to
the
two
work
on
studying
the
the
impacts:
positive
negative
of
the
north
Muskie
Avenue
Corridor
study,
and
we
had
a
conversation
at
the
May
3rd
meeting
of
the
two
and
staff
had
agreed
to
propose
some
draft
scope
of
the
proposed
draft
scope
of
work,
and
what
we
have
here
in
the
memo
are
four
main
areas
that
we
are
proposing:
the
staff
to
bring
forward
for
that
evaluation
of
North
Winooski
Avenue
after
implementation
of
the
lane
reassignment
safety,
we're
proposing
to
collect
crash
data
over
the
next
two
years,
two
parking
utilization
and
conducting
at
least
twice
a
year
day
and
evening
occupancy
counts
on
the
two
block
Corridor
and
one
block
deep
on
the
adjacent
side
streets
like
pedestrian
counts.
T
We
have
worked
in
the
past
with
the
ccrpc
to
facilitate
those
counts
and
would
seek
to
do
that
again
and
we've
been
in
touch
with
the
business
and
Workforce
Development
about
undergoing
a
stakeholder
survey
for
adjacent
stakeholders
along
the
board.
A
residents
organizations,
businesses
Etc.
There
was
also
a
discussion
at
the
meeting
on
May
3rd
about
a
parking
and
transportation
Equity
analysis.
T
We
would
like
more
opportunity
to
discuss
that
with
you
and
understand
your
interest.
There
was
some
discussion
about
trying
to
understand
the
amount
of
publicly
available
parking
and
transportation
resources
into
each
commercial,
district
and
I.
Think
each
commercial
District
in
Burlington
is
its
own
different
set
of
interests
and
assets,
and
there
are
already
some
studies
underway,
such
as
the
city's
TDM
study
that
may
be
trying
to
accomplish
some
of
the
similar
work.
So
we
would
like
to
have
a
greater
conversation
with
you
all
around
how
how
that
interest
would
be
carried
forward.
T
Some
final
comments
here
we're
proposing
that
the
four
areas
that
we're
proposing
to
study
the
metrics
on
we'd
like
to
wait
for
a
period
for
the
public
to
settle
in
to
the
new
new
Corridor.
As
often
uses
shifted
changes,
people
are
getting
accustomed
to
the
changes
next
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
that
we
have
already,
in
under
my
initiative,
have
directed
The
partner,
Services
team,
to
have
a
one-month
warning
period
for
the
parking
changes
in
the
corridor.
T
I
think
many
members
of
the
council
have
asked
about
how
the
changing
regulations
would
impact
low-income
folks,
and
so
we
want
to
give
people
a
chance
to
learn
the
new
parking
regulations
along
the
corridor.
In
addition,
as
part
of
that,
we
have
gotten
the
commission's
approval,
the
public
orders
commission
approval
to
lower
the
parking
violation,
fines
for
a
Time,
limited
violation
down
from
75
dollars
to
in
July
20
dollars,
we're
continuing
staff
to
work
with
Community,
Health
Center
and
trying
to
assist
with
their
off
street
parking
needs.
T
I
have
met
with
them,
I
think
three
times
since
we've
last
discussed,
this
Public
Works
has
shared
five
conceptual
options
for
Austrian
parking
to
them.
We're
waiting
to
hear
back,
which
ones
if
any
are
supportable,
are
their
preferred
Alternatives
and,
as
I've
indicated
to
committee
members
in
emails,
I've
committed
to
them
that
I
will
work
to
find
additional
funds
to
support
additional
design
work.
Should
there
be
a
viable
design
that
they
would
like
to
bring
forward.
T
B
Let
me
start
with
the
additional
first
additional
comment
sure.
Well
it
it
seems
to
me
that
we
need
to
have
a
baseline
from
right
now.
So
I
understand,
though
the
waiting
but
I
think
that
it's
important
that
you
know
what
is
happening
before
the
changes
and
then
making
that
that
delay
to
see
how
things
are
going
I.
Don't
you
know
how
long
did
you
say
in
marriage?
It's
not
in
the
comments,
but
I
can
you
I
think
you
mentioned
something.
T
That
I
yeah
I
missed
it
each
one
safety
we
can
count
from
the
get-go
it'll,
be
something
we
look
at
annually
with
crash
data
each
year
the
parking
parking
utilization.
It
was
proposing
biannual
we
so
I,
so
I.
B
Mean
I
think
that
you
know
like
when
these
things
you
were
looking
for
things
to
settle
in
yeah,
so
I
I
think
that
in
terms
of
parking,
we
need
to
know
what's
happening
now
before
the
changes
have
gone
on
so
bad.
That's.
My
comment
on
that.
I
would
love,
depending
on
the
resources
that
we
have
available
and
whether
we
can
try
to
get
some
more
free.
Even
resources
biannual
seems
not
to
be
to
be
enough.
B
I'd
like
it
at
least
quarterly,
but
you
know
and
I
think
the
different
times
of
the
year
kind
of
how
they
have
an
impact
and
I
think
that
it's
not
clear
from
the
from
the
memo
what
the
frequency
of
the
bike
pedestrian
traffic
counts
are,
and
it's
also
not
clear
the
what
the
streets
are
that
are
going
to
be,
but
you
know,
and
ultimately
having
reasonably
spaced
counts.
Okay,
so
I
think
biannual,
like
that's
twice
a
year,
I
I
think
it's
not
sufficient
enough.
B
I
would
think
that
the
stakeholder
surveyed,
it
would
I
three
months
I
think
is,
is
okay,
I!
Think
six
months,
you
know
is
a
decent
follow-up.
One
six
months
out
would
like
not
to
I
think
it's
too
long
on
that.
So
just
lay
that
out
and
I
would
actually
request
that
you
go
back
to
the
the
commission
and
extend
the
reduction
in
the
parking
fees
to
say
not
just
to
July,
but
I
would
like
them
push
back
to
September
as
well.
B
You
know
so
that
you
you've
got
we
we're
getting
through
the
UVM
student
in
not
in
confidence
their
failure
to
house
their
students
more
and
more
students.
Moving
into
to
ward
two,
my
my
word
and
as
a
result,
the
demographics
change
in
the
summertime
starting
in
late
August.
Students
start
to
move
back
into
into
the
City
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
best
to
extend
the
the
reduction
of
the
parking
violation,
biased
into
September
foreign.
T
Regulations
have
not
gone
into
effect
yet
because
the
paving
hasn't
happened.
So
the
the
change
is
that
they're,
currently
time
limited
parking
changes
on
the
street
I,
don't
think
they
are
significant
changes,
but
there
are
more
parking,
limited
spaces
that
will
be
added
and
they
will
be
in
different
spots.
So
we
don't
yet
know
how
the
learning
curve
will
go
for
the
community,
so
the
thought
was
to
have
a
one
month
warning
period,
which
is
far
more
than
what
I
have
been
familiar
with
for
changes
on
street.
T
But
since
their
Global
changes
on
a
two
block
Corridor,
we
thought
it
was
reasonable.
If
the
two
would
like
us
to
extend
that,
we
can
certainly
have
that
conversation.
So
we
don't
know
yet
how
much,
how
much
learning
period,
how
much
effort
it
will
take
for
the
public
to
understand
how
to
park
on
the
street.
There
will
still
be
unregulated
spaces,
but
there
won't
be
more
time
on
these
spaces.
B
T
Because
it's
obviously
not
working
I,
think
that
is
a
fair
comment.
Council
Bergman
and
I
agree.
If
we
notice
that
there
are
a
lot
of
warnings,
then
I
can
use
my
authority
to
extend
the
work
period.
B
T
For
last
minute,
cooking
here,
but
we're
busy
it's
construction
season
in
the
memo
right
under
the
proposed
metrics.
We
do
commit
to
coming
to
the
tuke
and
the
DPW
commission
with
the
metrics
that
we
that
we
collect
and
absolutely
want
your
feedback
on
the
metrics
and
what
changes?
If
any,
need
to
be
made.
B
A
Mike
I,
just
I,
have
two
questions
but
I'll
follow
on
on
the
the
parking
one.
There's
the
oops
program
apply
to
the
time
limited
sponsor
only
meter
violations.
T
A
You
know,
might
be
used
as
a
tool
in
this
idea
of
trying
to
you
know,
bring
people
along
and
base
them
into
changes
along
the
corridor
yeah.
My
other
questions
around
the
stakeholder
survey.
I
think
this
is
a
really
powerful
tool
for
us
to
use,
and
so
the
burst
is
what
how
do
you
do?
An
adjacent
stakeholder,
just
someone
on
the
corridor
or
would
this
be
like
I
mean?
What
will
it
be
like
buy
invitation,
or
will
it
be
open,
I.
L
A
Because
they're,
like
they're
they're
Ripple
effects
to
parking
removal
on
the
corridor
that
that
impact
adjacent
streets
that
are
on
the
corridor,
but
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
that's
envisioned
you
don't
have
to
answer
now.
It's
still
being
thought
about.
T
I
think
really,
in
my
mind,
it
was
I
was
imagining
two
levels:
one
direct
stakeholders,
those
who
live
or
work
on,
Northern
ski,
that
we
would
work
with
the
business
in
Workforce,
Development,
Department
and
maybe
counselors
and
others
to
Canvas.
The
street
get
information
make
sure
we
directly
reach
those
who
are
immediately
on
the
street.
T
I
would
imagine
that
we,
you
know,
have
a
question
of
where
do
you
live
in
the
beginning
of
the
survey
and
if
that
the
survey
could
be
filled
out
by
folks
on
adjacent
streets
from
a
resource
standpoint
I
think
it's
most
important
that
we
hear
from
immediately
affected,
but
then
adjacents,
as
you
point
out,
there
may
be
important
impacts
that
we
need
to
consider.
A
And
then,
and
then
the
the
survey
questions
themselves
would
be
I
understand
that
we
need
someone
who's
skilled
in
the
art
of
survey
development
to
create
this,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
have
a
look
at
it
before
it's
it's
given,
because
we
might
it.
You
know,
we'd
be
able
to
see
if
there's
any
gaps
or
additions.
B
The
two
useful
on
that,
given
the
interest
that
CHT
expressed
in
the
entire
process
that
has
led
us
up
to
here,
have
you
reached
out
to
Champion
Housing
Trust
through
Chas
buildings
there
on
the
corridor
and
just
to
enlist
their
assistance
in
communicating
with
their
residents?
And,
if
not,
can
you
add
them
to
the
the
list
of
folks
to
be.
T
Working
with
absolutely
we,
we
worked
extensively
with
them
in
the
parking
management
plan.
I
talked
to
the
CEO
Michael
Monte,
as
we
were
discussing
shared
parking
options.
I
have
not
talked
to
them
recently
about
communication,
but
more
than
happy
to
engage
them.
As
part
of
this,
the
stakeholder
survey
I.
B
A
T
There's
a
point
of
order
in
terms
of
agenda
that
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
know
about
I've
sent
the
walking
tour
Team
home,
given
how
long
public
forum
and
the
agenda
items
were
going
so
I
hope
that
was
friendly.
Give
it
was
hard
to
break
in
so
I
made
that
executive
decision
so
that
item
we
can
do
with
a
subsequently
but
I'm
happy
to
give
a
brief
verbal
update
on
some
key
elements
and
leave
it
at
that.
Okay,
that's
right!
Given.
A
The
the
way,
the
meaning
the
length
of
the
meeting
that
way
it's
running
that
might
be,
that
is.
A
This
was
came
from
a
communication
to
the
school
council
that
was
referred
to
our
committee
back
on
1206
and
you
know
I'll
be
a
big
responsibility
for
not
getting
out
and
getting
in
and
under
the
agenda
until
now,
but
it's
something
that
that
we're
taking
them
tonight
so
I
don't
have
really
much
of
an
intro.
Everybody
has
the
resolution
I'm
it
was.
It
was
given
to
us
without
any
specification
on
what
we're
to
do
with
it.
So
I'm
I
guess
we're
considering
it
as
a
committee
tonight.
B
To
mention
so
I,
like
the
resolution
I
would
make
stylistic
change
in
switching
the
resolve.
Clauses
around
and
I
am
sympathetic
or
supportive
of
chemistry,
former
counselor
Hanson's
call
for
a
city
to
have
more
accountability
or
follow-up,
and
so
an
additional
either
building
into
the
existing
resolved
classes
or
having
an
additional
one
to
invite
vtag
to
the
tube
to
communicate
with
us
is
what
I've
come
up
with
for
that.
But
I
would
actually
like
for
this
committee
to
sponsor
this
resolution
and
send
it
back
to
the
council
for
consideration.
B
I
think
just
to
make
clear.
I
also
think
that
there
are,
it
looks
like
there
are
footnotes
that
are
here
because
within
the
body,
particularly
the
where
at
the,
whereas
is
but
they're,
not
in
the
body
of
the
resolution,
so
I
would
hope
that
the
the
person
who
drafted
it,
Mr,
Pike
Porter,
could
assist
in
us
putting
in
to
the.
B
A
numbered
resolution
form
the
actual
footnotes
that
would
give
citation,
because
I
do
think
that
it.
B
If
those
sources
are
there,
then
we
need
to
put
them
down
there
and
if
they're
quotes
are
if
they're
not
cited,
then
we
need
to
put
them
in,
because
that's
just
something
that's
important
for
it.
I
I
I
think
it
would
be
best
for
discount
this
committee
to
be
the
sponsor.
B
I
am
willing
to
be
a
sponsor
if
it
would
not
come
out
of
the
committee
and
just
do
it
on
my
own,
but
I
I
think
that
if
you
all
agree
that
this
is
something
where
the
of
adoption
that
you
will
join
me
in
with
be
of
great
much
greater
impact
and
import
I
would
also
say
as
long
as
we
got
it,
that
Jimmy
Lee's
remarks
and
his
requests
I
think
are
meaningful
and
significant
and
I.
B
I
know
enough
of
the
political
process
and
the
pushback
having
tried
to
push
envelopes
to
their
natural
limits
and
Beyond.
So
I
think
that
it
would
be
appropriate
for
us
to
ask
for
a
legal
opinion,
probably
from
the
council
that
assists
the
the
the
airport
as
opposed
to
the
city
attorney's
office.
It's
sort
of
like
they
contract
for
things,
because
this
relates
to
faitha
regulations
and
what
have
you
but
a
legal
opinion,
as
well
as
an
opinion
from
Bia
management
about
their
thoughts
on
this.
B
We
will
logically
get
those
questions,
so
we
might
as
well
ask
or
for
that
and
I
would
say
that
included
in
that
would
be.
There
was
reference
to
there
being
an
organ.
You
know,
being
ordinances
to
effectuate
that
we
do
have
a
section
of
our
Municipal
Code
of
ordinances
on
the
airport
on
airline
on
airports.
B
It
is
silent
as
to
this
type
of
activity,
so
a
legal
opinion
that
would
also
include
how
that
would
be
implemented,
I
think
would
be,
and
maybe
even
draft
language
that
would
be
based
on
this
would
be
I,
think
appropriate
and
would
be
the
right
Next
Step
on
that
and
I.
Do
not
think
that
in
action
is
the
right,
Next
Step
on
either
one
of
these
areas.
A
Okay,
I'm
happy
I'm
happy
to
go
next.
The
so
I
am
I,
am
supportive
of
the
second
result,
Clause
the
one
that
calls
for
calculating
the
carbon
impacts.
I
think
I
agree
with
those
who
say
that
we're
not
counting
everything
as
accurately
as
we
need
to
be,
and
there
should
be
carabouts
not
to
say
that
those
things
aren't
there
like
in
the
case
of
McNeil.
A
That's
the
way
they
count
commissions
for
biomass
is
when
you
cut
them
when
you
burn,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
impacts
of
the
stack
in
the
case
of
the
airport.
We
know
we
have
this
carbon
accreditation,
certification
process
underway
and
I
have
asked
Nick
and
about
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
guard
is
involved
in
this
process.
I
wish
we
had
Nick
here
tonight.
I
actually
asked
him
this
morning.
A
If
he
could
attend
this
meeting
tonight
and
I,
just
I
was
probably
trying
to
get
him
looked
in,
but
I
still
plan
to
follow
up
with
him
on
that
particular
aspect,
because
I
don't
know
where
they
are,
since
their
last
update
to
this
committee
with
that
process
and
and
I
would
be
interested
to
know,
if
be
basically,
the
intent
of
the
the
second
resolve.
A
Clause
is
incorporated
into
that
work,
and
so
I
would
like
to
know
that,
but
I
don't
know
that
I
can
support
the
resolution
as
as
as
a
whole,
but
I
am
supportive
of
the
accounting
part
at
this.
At
this
point,.
L
B
A
To
hear
it,
I
think
the
public
would
like
to
hear
it
as
well.
Certainly
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
it.
I,
don't
think
that
this
committee
can,
and
the
city
council
are
in
a
position
right
now
to
tell
the
I
would
like
to
understand
the
contracts
that
we
have
with
the
guard
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
wanted
to
open
just
on
their
Aviation
Mission
here
I
mean
this
is
a
broader
discussion
than
just
within
this
committee.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
there
have
been
concerns
in
the
past
in
committees
using
language,
saying
we're
directing
another
entity
to
do
something
like
that.
That
always
ends
up
being
an
issue,
and
so
I
would
rather
work
that
out
before
it
go
into
a
full
Council,
though
please
I,
just
I'm
not
done
that.
Well
again
this
year,.
B
So
my
my
response
is,
that
is
that
we
are
asking
we
are.
We
would
be
calling
on
them
to
work
collaboratively
with
us
to
draft
a
specific
plan.
We're
not
making
them
do.
Anything
that
affect
calls
on
is
the
same
as
requests.
One
could
be
so
bold
as
to
say
please,
but
this
is
I,
think
more
appropriate.
So
I
hear
that
sometimes
you
have
to
get
intransigent
people's
attention,
and
sometimes
that
can
be
done
with
softer
language,
but
usually
is
not
so
I.
B
Do
that's
the
substantive
response
that
I
have
with
with
your
position,
counselor,
king
and
I.
Don't
actually
think
that
this
is
calling
for
the
elimination.
We
did
hear
public
testimony
about
the
elimination
of
the
the
flight,
but
it
does
it.
It
mentions
a
lit
to
eliminate
Aviation
and
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
Maybe
that
can
only
be
happening
by
just
not
having
them
fly,
but.
B
So
does
it,
does
it
go
as
far
as
you
are
you're,
critiquing
I,
don't
know,
but.
B
We
all
experience
them
every
day,
so
I
am
comfortable
with
this
I'd
be
curious.
If
there
was
language
from
either
of
you
that
to
to
amend
the
resolve
causes.
Also,
if
you
had
any
concerns
about
the
the
whereas
Clauses,
besides
the
fact
that
an
attribution,
maybe
just
to
to
be
included
so.
A
A
A
So
that's
the
second.
The
second
result
so
I'd
like
to
actually
do
that.
Do
that
work
and
get
that
information.
B
Is
that,
prior
to
a
the
introduction,
or
because
I
mean
that's,
the
best,
is
the
part
of
this
resolution.
I
B
A
B
L
B
Agreement
before
I
commit
before
I
move
to
to
have
an
endorsement
of
this.
A
A
Mean
I
guess
the
annual
part
would
be
maybe
more
weekly
than
as
anticipated
in
the
accreditation
process
that,
because
we
had
asked
for
two
things
that
were
not
part
of
the
accreditation
process,
one
was
to
count
missions
above
3000
feet,
of
which
we
had
and
and
to
include
then
the
Vermont
International
guards
contribution
which
I
believe
in
the
form
in
the
accreditation
process,
as
presented,
isn't
required
for
military.
A
We
had
asked
for,
and
so
we
know,
we've
seen,
we've
seen
the
three
to
three
above
3
000
feet:
emissions
that
want
us
to
incorporate
that
and
I
know
that
cigar
and
I,
just
like
you
know
where
those
are
and
what
they
have
committed
to
providing
and
whether
or
not
it's
I
don't
know
if
it's
on
an
annual
basis
or
just
as
part
of
the
accreditation
cycle
which
I
don't
believe,
whether
there's
something
less
frequent
than
that.
B
So
the
one
concern
that
I've
got
in
the
the
first
result:
Clause
has
to
do
with
the
date
by
which
a
specific
plan
would
be
drafted
and
I
appreciate
the
need
in
emergencies
to
act
promptly,
but
I
I.
That
is
not
a
realistic
time
for
this
all
to
happen.
B
So
I
would
be
interested
in
amending
that
to
April
1st,
because
I
just
I
understand
how
slow
everybody
is
and
with
that
change
in
this
and
with
the
need
to
get
the
citations
included
in
that
switching
these,
the
order
around
I
would
move
for
the
committee
to
sponsor
this
and
send
it
back
to
the
city
council
for
its
consideration
and.
A
A
As
always,
there's
no
more
discussion,
we
can
take
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
all
right
and
I
am
opposed,
so
I
don't
know
if
the
command
is
here
according
to
Sir
that
we're
just
yikes
get
our
staff.
This
is
my
name,
but
we
will
assume
that
that.
B
I
make
clear
and
I
would
be
willing
to
to
draft
this.
That
might,
and
it
may
be,
the
sort
of
a
reconsideration,
but
that
we
also
had
a
either
within
the
resolve,
Clauses
or
in
a
separate
one,
which
I
think
is
probably
more
likely
inviting
the
the
guard
to
come
to
a
Duke
meeting
and
discuss
this.
K
G
B
A
B
I'm
sorry
I
did
ask
about
the
asking
for
a
legal
opinion
and
the
department
of
Nick's
opinion
about
what
Jimmy
had
said.
I
think
that's
something
yeah
great,
so
I
would
move
that
we
from
the
airport's
Council
also
from
the
director
on
the
on
the
remarks,
and
you
know,
and
the
the
proposal
to
adopt.
K
A
Well,
I'll
tell
you:
we
voted
on
the
resolution,
another
two
to
one
vote:
counselors,
Bergman
and
king
of
course
square.
That
I
was
not
they're.
Moving
this
to
the
council
as
a
to
sponsor
presentation,
and
then
we
just
moved
to
get
a
legal
opinion
from
the
airports,
councils
and.
A
A
So
our
next
item
is
5.5,
which
we
added
to
the
agenda.
This
is
Mcneil
next
steps,
and
so
I
sort
of
the
one
thing
that
I
definitely
wanted
to
consider
was
that
we
had
a
an
offer
after
the
symposium.
A
Joe
Nelson
is
offered
to
provide
tours
to
those
areas
being
managed
and
that
are
sending
one
to
McNeil
and
we
wanted.
We
want
I,
think
we've
all
expressed
interest
in
in
doing
that,
just
to
get
that
bit
of
information
and
education
ahead
of
some
other
decisions,
we're
going
to
be
making
at
some
point
on
District
energy.
So
so
the
floor
is
open
for
just
processing.
Some.
Some
of
that
and
giving
advice.
A
I
will
say
that
it
does
appear
that,
as
if
Joe
has
said
he
wanted,
he
would
do
small
tours,
he
said
is
I
think
he
said
it's
a
10.
It
was
a
Max
or
maybe
he
said
five
to
eight
I,
don't
recall
now,
but
anyways
small
numbers.
A
So
there's
that
and
the
other
thing
is
we're
cognized
in
an
open
meeting
on
having
a
quorum
of
committee
members
there
without
the
meeting
being
born
so
is
when
we
expressed
that
concern
to
him.
He
said
he
would
do
multiple,
smaller
smaller
groups
and
my
feeling
is.
A
We
might
want
to
take
a
look
on
that
and
if
there
were
some
time
to
figure
out
who
to
go
when
and
then,
if
there
were
other
members
of
the
public
or
would
we
need
to
go
into
this
meeting
it's
just
if
we
wanted
to
open
it
up
to
a
small
group.
So
we.
B
B
Something
I
think
that
that's
right,
I
think
if
we
I
mean
you
could
do
it
as
a
work
session,
but
I,
don't
think
that
you
know
you
can
exclude
the
public
I
mean
you
can
limit
the
Public's
actual
participation,
but
you.
I
B
Limit
their
presence
so
in
something
like
a
work
session,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
you
can
do
it
without.
A
I
B
A
Yeah
then
I
would,
on
this
particular
next
step.
I
would
propose
that
we
engage
Joe
and
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
B
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
here.
At
the
very
least,
it
probably
may
be
needing
a
bigger
room
to
talk
about
District
energy
and
and
get
questions
out
there,
things
that
we're
not.
B
B
I
A
I
think
so
you
have
additional
questions
which
are
like
around
McNeil's
world
within
the
bigger
power
generation
ecosystem
you
know,
and
so
yeah
and
I'd
like
to
dig
into
that
a
little
bit
more
as
well,
and
that
sort
of
it's
part
of
the
the
question
we've
all
heard
around,
if
not
McNeil
than
what
yeah
take
take
its
place
in
a
phase-out
plan
which
isn't
specifically
around
District
energy
but
just
more
about
the
plant
life
cycle.
You
know
what
is
it
you
know
when
you
know
how
long
might
we
use?
A
It
might
be
another
question
that
we
had
to
generate
all
their
fuels,
and
so
I
want
to
understand
more
about
that
more
than
what
we
can
clean
from
the
Bev
website
and
some
of
the
other
information
so
to
have
a
place
to
ask
those
questions
more
directly,
yeah
and
then
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
need
more
independent
expertise.
Example
yeah,
but
we
might
need
another
another
I.
B
Don't
know
like
it's
after
that,
right,
yeah
and,
to
be
quite
honest,
I
think
we
need
a
bigger
room
and
I
I
am
not
opposed
for
asking
these
questions
of
bed
to
have
it
at
ped.
You
know
we're,
you
know,
they've
got
big
rooms
there
and
it
would
be
them
that
would
be
providing
answers
in
our
meetings,
so
the
public
would
get
a
chance
to
to
talk,
but
we're
getting
information
from
them
and
what
we
do
with
that
is.
B
A
So
would
we
maybe
Endeavor
to
hold
some
agenda
planning
sessions
outside
of
this
meeting,
to
make
me
hit
done
prior
to
this
Symposium?
When
we
talk
about
you
know
the
kinds
of
things
that
we're
related
to
do
and
where
and
how
we
might
like
to
have
the
meeting.
A
Yes,
we're
meeting
with
the
next
all
right,
we'll
talk
about.
That's
what
that's
on
our
plan,
but
I'm
assuming
we'll
meet
the
board
Tuesday
of
July
yeah
I
think
we.
H
H
I
A
L
A
There's
also
been
a
request:
that's
brought
up
at
the
council
by
councilor
Carpenter
and
it
was
asked
of
me
and
by
President
Paul
and
I
haven't
talked
to
her.
Yet
she
sent
me
a
text
yesterday.
I
think
basically
asking
about
a
work
session
on
McNeil
and
in
terms
of
the
sequencing
of
these
things
it
seems
like
we
want
to
have
another.
A
B
I
mean
I
guess
the
question
is
also:
when
is
BPD
looking
to
come
to
the
council.
A
I
will
I
will
I
can
take
that
away
and
ask
Darren,
and
maybe
the
administration
I,
don't
know
who
decides
wondering
about
Portland,
but
I
know
that
he
is
now.
L
A
T
T
If
you
have
any
feedback
for
us
that
the
draft
document
was
given
to
them
last
month
at
this
month,
at
their
June
meeting,
which
will
be
looking
to
have
the
commission
refine
it
in
July,
July
1
is
also
a
big
day,
because
it's
the
last
day,
the
first
day
of
the
new
prohibition
of
recycling,
bins
and
so
now
toters
will
be
required
in
any
effort.
You
can
do
to
help
the
last
remaining
bin
users
to
get
their
toter
at
Public.
Works
would
be
appreciated
so
that
things
go
as
smoothly
as
possible.
My
neighbor
doesn't.
B
I
H
T
It
happen
it
doesn't
matter:
okay,
yeah.
We
sell
them
at
a
50
subsidy
and
they're,
affordable,
20
25,
so
if
we
prefer,
the
landlord
gets
them
so
that
they
kind
of
stay
with
the
unit
and
and
that
the
landlord's
committed
to
managing
it.
But
tenants
can
pick
it
up
too
GMT,
Council,
Bergman
and
others
have
been
pushing
me
to
represent
a
desire
for
Transit
financing
efforts.
T
T
B
Anderson
was
the
an
alternate,
is
the
alternate.
Have
you
have.
T
T
Efforts,
yes,
because
we
gotta
pay
for
this
thing
perfect
and
then
lastly,
Bike
Share,
the
press
release
just
went
out
this
afternoon.
The
launch
will
be
Thursday.
Third
is
the
new
vendor.
Katma
is
running
it.
There
are
seven
Partners
3
200
bikes
around
the
community,
starting
as
of
Thursday.
If
bikes
are
misparked,
there's
information
in
the
press
release
and
on
the
Apple
address
those.
T
Let
me
know
what
you're
hearing
from
the
community
as
this
project
rolls
out.
A
There,
okay
counselor.
B
Updates
but
one
thing:
I
just
had
a
meeting
with
a
South
Burlington
City
councilor
and
asked
him
if
he
would
be
willing
to
come
here
to
share
his
experience
and
information
regarding
their
solar
ordinance
that
they
just
asked
me.
She
said.
I
B
Than
happy
to
do
that,
it's
actually
a
building
code
in
there
in
South
Burlington
it's
in
their
zoning
because
they
don't
really
have
building
codes,
but
they've
got
it
under
the
zoning
code,
but
yeah
and
and
it's
part
of
the
State
Building
coach.
They
just
took
the
solar
aspect
of
that
construction
and
brought
it
in
here
but
and
their
taking
a
bunch
of
our
stuff
on
weatherization.
B
So
it's
a
good
fertilization,
so
I
would
like
for
us
to
schedule
him
for
maybe
the
July
meeting
to
have
that
conversation
with
the
hope
that
we
could
come
up
with
a
with
an
ordinance
and
perhaps
Chapin.
You
know
this
is
not
you
anymore.
This
is
Bill
Ward,
yes,
I'm!
Sorry
dating
myself
get
somebody
from
permitting
and
inspections
here
to
hear
that
and
comment,
because
I
do
not
believe
that
that
we
have
a
similar
code
to
what.
A
They've
just
thought,
and
so
we
would.
We
would
ask
someone
from
permitting
inspections
to
be
here
with
the
South
Burlington
City
College.
Yes,
here
hear
their
presentation,
yeah
we'll
ask
questions:
yeah,
yeah
I,
like
that
idea,
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
enjoy
yet
or
not,
but
I'm
open
to
that.
If
we
can.
A
September,
but
no
I
know
I
would
like
that.
I
was
when
we
brought
that
up
during
yeah.
B
B
Do
think
that,
in
light
of
the
conversation
we
were
having
about
McNeil
that
getting
more
information
and
perhaps
getting
Darren
to
talk
about
the
potential
for
a
solar
project
on
the
old
city
dump
and
maybe
having
Cindy
White
Chief
and
Spencer
and
Darren
Springer
come
here
and
have
a
conversation
to
talk
about.
T
A
And
my
only
update
is
I
sense.
The
since
the
Symposium
had
been
digging
into
electricity
generation.
I
mentioned
it
at
the
council
meeting
that
I
find
it
fascinating
that
there's
this
whole
Hidden
World
hidden
to
me
prior
to
about.
A
Right
about
about
electric
power
and
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
pitch
these
two
books,
one
I'm
just
finishing
I
called
shorting
mcgrid
by
Meredith
Anglin,
and
it's
just
it's
one
of
those
ones.
That
is
it's
disturbing
and
like
revelatory.
At
the
same
time,
it
is
especially
coming
on
the
heels
of
the
Symposium,
which
is
sort
of
like
that
and
then
and
then
this
this
other
one
that
Mike
had
suggested
in
an
email
to
us.
A
No
Miracles
needed
by
Mark
Jacobson
is
one
and
I'm
just
beginner,
so
we
should
have
a
book
club.
We
have
a
book
club
I'm.
Looking
for
book
club
members,
it's
hard
to
find
takers.
A
Those
are
my
updates,
I'm,
still
continuing
to
sort
of
to
dig
in
and
try
to
educate
myself
on
on
information
and
facts
around
all
these
decisions
are
bad
that
was
someday
soon,
so
that
we'll
we'll
move
on
our
next
meeting
is
our
I
think
we
said
earlier
we'll
try
to
do
it
on
725,
which
is
the
fourth
Tuesday
of
July,
and
with
that
that's
agreeable
to
everybody.
We'll
move
on
to
the
Champlain
Parkway
update.
T
Which
is
no
longer
alone,
that's
right!
No
longer
a
walk.
I
will
make
this
less
than
five
minutes.
So
the
reason
I
wanted
to
have
a
walk
with
you.
I
was
wanting
to
celebrate
the
progress
that
has
been
made
and
give
you
an
opportunity
to
walk
safely
on
a
construction
site
and
see
the
new
alignment
and
how
it's
coming
along,
but
also
second
work
is
now
going
to
be
pivoting
to
Lakeside
and
Pine
Street
this
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
work
on
Lakeside
was
occurring.
B
T
So
we
are
now
pivoting
to
a
much
more
public
phase
of
the
project
with
significant
traffic
impacts.
So
we
are
planning
to
have
a
public
meeting
in
July
to
lay
out
this
season's
construction
schedule.
We
are
sending
out
front
porch,
Forum
direct
targeted
emails
to
particular
neighborhoods
along
9th
Street,
as
this
work
gets
underway
feel
free
to
pass
along
any
concerns.
We
do
have
a
mailing
list
that
we
send
out
weekly
updates.
T
Will
be
able
to
get
out
of
town
on
rush
hours,
it
will
be
two
lane
two-way
traffic.
During
off-peak
times
there
will
be
some
alternating
traffic
on
Pine
Street
and
on
Lakeside.
So
the
great
news
is
this:
project
is
progressing
well.
Pine
Street
will
be
getting
Granite,
curves,
elevated
crosswalks,
intersections
new
crosswalks,
a
shared
news
path,
a
lot
of
amenities
that
have
been
held
up
since
Gene
and
I
were
in
different
roles
here
in
the
city.
T
So
if
you
hear
anything,
let
us
know
I
want
to
communicate
as
well
as
we
can
what's
coming
this
work.
This
season
is
expected
to
get
to
substantial
completion
for
this
initial
Construction
contract,
which
means
then
the
conversation
is.
What
do
we
do
about
the
final
Construction
contract?
So
that's
not
a
discussion
for
today,
but
in
coming
months.
We'll
need
to
talk
about
that.
I
T
Rail
Yard
Enterprise
project
is
working
through
its
environmental
permit.
Nepa
the
National
Environmental
Policy
Act
permits
the
federal
permit.
We
are
expecting
to
wrap
that
up
and
have
a
preferred
alternative
that
not
only
we
have
selected,
which
is
alternative
1B,
which
is
that
kind
of
battery
limited
connection
root,
but
wanting
Federal,
Highway
and
v-trans,
and
us
to
all
be
in
alignment
and
to
have
Federal
Highway
kind
of
concurring
that
this
is
a
viable
and
preferred
alternative.
We
expect
to
have
that
in
the
fall.
October
is
our
current
timeline
and.
T
I
am
yes,
it
is
looking
good
to
having
that
be.
The
preferred
alternative
right
now.
They're
Federal
Highway
in
the
city
in
v-trans
really
are
looking
at
a
situation
where
there's
one
feasible
alternative
other
than
the
no
build,
and
that
one
feasible
alternative
other
than
nobelda's
alternative
one.
B
A
T
Know
I
believe
that
it
is
the
right
solution
it.
We
have
done
our
duty
to
narrow
the
design
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
to
minimize
the
amount
of
pavement
the
length
of
pavement,
we're
really
just
trying
to
get
the
multimodal
connection
between
Pine
and
Battery.
We've
talked
a
lot
with
the
stakeholders.
Alternative
1B
is
the
grand
compromise.
Every
property
owner
along
the
quarter
gets
impacted
somewhat,
with
the
understanding
that
we're
all
in
this
together,
there's
no
right-of-way
there.