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From YouTube: Burlington Development Review Board - 7/18/2023
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Agenda: 00:00
483 Manhattan Drive (RM Ward 2C): 1:08
453 Pine Street (E-LM Ward 5S): 2:51
10-12 Oak Street (RM Ward 2C): 1:13:52
Joint Institutional Parking Management Plan: 1:19:10
52 Institute Road (RCO-RG Ward 4N), 1:28:00
Adjournment: 1:33:00
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B
Ly
unfortunate
to
hear
that
members
of
the
public
we're
not
behaving
in
a
way
that
made
us
feel
that
we
could
have
a
safe
meeting
tonight
and
we'll
see
what
it
holds
in
the
future,
but
tonight
with
Quorum
we're
in
a
remote
setting
and
let's
move
forward
with
our
agenda,
so
I'm
going
to
call
the
July
18th
2023
Burlington
development
review
board
meeting
to
order.
We've
got
a
relatively
full
agenda
tonight,
we'll
be
moving
through
the
items
in
the
order
they
were
listed
with
one
change
or
proposed
change
to
the
agenda.
B
52
Institute
Road
was
recommended
for
consent
and
I
would
recommend
that
we
move
that
up
to
our
consent
agenda
item.
We
saw
it
in
sketch
and
we
can
see
if
there's
members
into
the
audience
who
are
here
to
speak
on
it,
but
I
would
recommend
that
we
move
that
up
to
consent.
Does
anyone
disagree
with
that?
Anyone
have
a
problem
with
that.
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B
Well,
it
was
marked
for
our
consent
agenda.
Does
anybody
in
the
audience
anybody
on
the
board
have
an
issue
with
treating
it
as
a
consent?
Agenda
item
well,
I
think
we
can
act
on
it.
I'll
move
that
on
zp23-30
483,
Manhattan
Drive.
We
adopt
staff's
findings
and
recommendations
and
improve
the
application.
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G
Okay,
so
my
name
is
Kelly
duroche
I'm,
an
architect
at
wemed,
lamphere,
Architects
and
I'm,
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
developers
of
this
project.
We
have
came
before
you
with
this
project
back
in
December.
Since
then,
it
has
been
modified
at
the
right
now.
What
I
have
up
on
the
screen
is
our
an
illustrative
site
plan
that
I
can
just
walk
you
through
some
of
the
updated
changes.
G
We
are
able
to
reduce
parking
counts
and
we
did
increase
the
size
of
the
commercial
building
to
the
right
is
planned
North,
so
this
commercial
building
to
the
Northeast
was
increased
to
help
anchor
that
corner
of
the
site
at
the
time.
It's
just
three
tenant
spaces
that
will
be
for
rental,
where
it's
not
known,
who
those
tenants
would
be
at
this
time.
G
Just
to
kind
of
remind
everyone
we're
on
Pine
Street
here,
the
primary
access
to
the
site
is
with
this
small
text
Drive,
which
will
be
realigned
with
the
Champlain
Parkway
work.
One
correction
I
wanted
to
make
to
the
memo
is
Although.
Our
traffic
study
studied
having
this
be
three
lanes.
We
after
discussing
this
with
Corey
at
the
DPW.
This
will
remain
two
lanes
as
designed
in
the
Champlain
Parkway
work
and
in
our
discussion.
We
talked
about
after
both
that
work
and
this
development
is
complete.
G
Perhaps
we
can
discuss
how
the
traffic
is
moving
and
look
at
this.
We
wouldn't
need
to
widen
this
at
all,
but
we
could
re-stripe
and
create
three
lanes,
but
we're
gonna
table
that,
until
after
the
two
projects
are
complete
on
the
south
side
of
the
site,
there's
a
smaller
parking
lot
and
service
Court
of
this,
the
primary
access
for
the
reason
we
need
this
access
is
really
for
the
pool,
pump,
room
and
significant
mechanical
space.
That's
all
towards
the
side
of
the
site.
G
At
the
time,
you
all
received
your
documents.
We
did
not
have
our
traffic
demand
management
plan
in
yet,
but
we
did
submit
it
to
the
city
Wednesday
afternoon
after
the
memo
came
out
and
I
just
wanted
to
address
some
of
the
items
that
we
are
we
submitted
in,
that
the
453
Pine
Enterprises
he
was
the
owner
of
the
site,
is
going
to
be
the
transportation
coordinator.
G
G
In
addition
to
what
we
included
in
the
TDM,
this
project
benefits
being
along.
This
shared
use
path,
that's
being
constructed
during
the
Champlain
Parkway
work,
as
well
as
the
adjacent
maltex.
Building
parking
lot
in
the
back
is
public
parking.
That
is
metered
we're
also
proposing
24,
short-term
parkings
bike
parking
spaces,
and
that
was
based
on
the
recommendation
of
Burlington's
Transportation
planner.
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G
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E
G
G
G
B
H
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
this
is
Dan
vogion
with
stone
environmental.
We
are
the
environmental
Consultants
on
the
project
and
also
performing
the
Civil
design
for
the
storm
water
and
site
civil
site.
Improvements
for
the
project,
as
folks
are
aware.
I
just
wanted
to
recap
a
little
bit
about
you
know
what
the
site
really
has
going
for
it
in
terms
of
Brownfield
issues.
H
The
site
is
adjacent,
as
we
know
the
pine
tree
Canal
super
fund
and
has
had
some
impacts
to
the
site.
From
that
past
use.
There
are
limited
presence
of
coal
tar
waste
within
portions
of
the
subsurface
at
the
site
and
really,
as
the
site
is
developed,
we
need
to
be
very
conscious
of
how
that
development
occurs.
H
The
site
itself
has
surface
soil
contamination
related
to
the
Past
use.
It's
been
heavily
modified
over
the
years
this
this
area
of
Burlington
was
formerly
a
wetland
that
was
infilled
in
the
later
half
of
the
1800s
to
support
the
pine.
The
lumber
Industries
along
Pine
Street
and
the
the
nature
of
that
Phil
has
is
extremely
heterogeneous.
Some
of
it
is
contained
contaminants,
but
by
and
large,
a
lot
of
the
fill
that
was
brought
into
this
site
is
relatively
clean.
H
Surface
soil
FSA,
on
the
other
hand,
does
contain
ph's
and
metals
above
non-residential
standards,
so
it
does
present
direct
contact
risk
to
users
in
its
current
state,
the
and-
and
we
believe
that
the
reason
for
that
to
be
the
case
is
that
a
lot
of
these
neighboring
industries
that
sprang
up
along
Pine
Street
were
combusted
fossil
fuels,
and
so
we
have
the
aerial
deposition
to
the
site.
We
had
Direct
discharges
of
waste
through
the
site
from
the
coal
gasification
plant
and
other
releases
that
were
resulted
in
these
problems
to
surface
oil.
H
H
H
Similarly,
on
the
construction
of
the
bath
house
itself
and
the
commercial
building,
those
foundations
cannot
be
just
standard,
threader,
footing,
type
foundations.
We
need
to
have
both
be
supported
using
various
techniques
that
would
prohibit
the
loading
of
those
susceptible
soils,
the
soil
that
is
acceptable
to
compression
some
other
issues
that
we
are
dealing
with
on
say,
would
have
soil
gas
or
that's
the
interstitial
air
within
soil.
H
That's
above
the
water
table
does
have
some
volatile
organic
compounds
related
to
some
of
the
cold
gas
vacation
waste,
and
we
are
afraid
that
if
we
did
not
mitigate
that,
the
building
themselves
could
be
impacted
to
Vapor
intrusion
and
there
is
a
small
dissolved
phase,
groundwater
plume
and
the
northeast
corner
of
the
site
and
another
related
to
a
feature.
That's
known
as
the
South
slick,
which
is
a
was
a
former
slip
connected
to
the
canal
that
extends
onto
the
Western
portion
of
the
state.
H
So
where
we
are
in
the
processes,
we've
been
going
through
the
evaluation
of
corrective
action.
Alternatives
we've
done
quite
a
bit
of
assessment
on
the
on
the
site
over
the
past
10
years,
and
and
even
before
that
and
some
very
recent
assessment
to
just
kind
of
fill
in
some
remaining
data
gaps
to
support
this
Redevelopment.
And
now
we
are
trying
to
develop
the
remedial
alternatives
to
put
the
site
back
together
again
that
will
be
developed
in
various
stages
to
address
each
of
the
remedial
issues
that
we
just
outlined.
The.
E
H
Be
great
okay,
so
if
you
want
to
provide
that
these
are
probably
the
some
of
the
more
pertinent
issues
with
this,
this
Figure
Set.
This
is
the
second
one.
If
you
could
open
up
the
first
one
Kelly,
the
a
so
what
this
figure
represents
is
management
practices
related
to
soil
at
the
site,
the
pink
being
areas
of
the
site
where
we
need
to
remove
soil
to
a
depth
of
at
least
half
of
a
foot?
H
H
Those
soils
would
be
disposed
of
as
development
soil
at
a
most
likely
as
alternative
daily
cover
at
the
Coventry
landfill.
The
soil
within
the
orange
polygon
contains
what
we
call
Urban
soil.
So
these
are
soils
that
do
not
exceed
the
urban
background
values
that
have
been
established
by
DDC
and
these
soils
can
be
managed
within
an
urban
area
as
as
designated
by
the
anr
atlas,
which
shows
us
where
we
might
be
able
to
manage
these
without
having
to
take
them
to
a
landfill.
H
The
next
figure
is
related
to
deeper
excavations
that
are
planned
and-
and
this
kind
of
shows
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
these
more
clean
soils
that
we're
seeing
on
site.
The
yellow
are
soils
that
are
actually
uncontaminated,
as
as
we've
seen
through
the
past
investigation,
so
those
deeper
excavations
to
support
the
parking
lot
and
the
walkways
and
the.
H
E
H
What
looking
at
disturbing
at
least
1200
cubic
yards
of
soil
at
the
site
of
that
we
are
hoping
we
can
reuse
nearly
half
of
that
on
site
through
either
reuse.
As
of
the
clean
soils
as
engineered
barriers
with
as
the
engineer
barriers
or
divert
it
from
the
land
through
fill
to
Alternative
sites
that
are
much
closer
to
urban
areas.
It's
for
urban
Hill
sites.
H
H
The
areas
that
are
obviously
with
under
the
building.
Those
would
are
planned
to
be
the
soil
management
practice.
There
is
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
nuanced
it's
there.
The
plan
for
the
foundations
is
to
do
what's
called
a
ground,
Improvement
Foundation
support
structure,
so
columns
basically
would
be
created
to
a
design
desk
every
in
a
grid
pattern
every
so
so
often
call
it
Mt
in
certain
areas
and
and
six
to
eight
in.
H
Depending
on
the
building
loads,
where
aggregate
would
be
placed
to
a
lower
supportive
layer
within
the
strata
for
the
commercial
building
on
the
right,
both
those
columns
get
installed
down
to
12
feet
on
the
left
side
of
the
or
rather
rather,
the
south
side
of
the
site,
underneath
so
bad
house
and
it's
kind
of
the
pools
and
the
private
event
building.
Those
would
have
to
go
quite
a
bit
deeper,
you'd
assume
more
extensive
heat
soils
in
those
areas.
H
H
This
is
the
first
step
within
the
remedial
planning
process
where
we
have
developed
a
list,
a
laundry
list
of
remedial
Alternatives
from
each
issue.
We
have
proposed
our
proposing,
preferred
Alternatives
and
will
be
presenting
that
to
the
Vermont,
the
dec
site
manager,
Graham
Bradley,
who
I
think
on
the
call,
if
not
the
and
then
also
once
those
are
available,
they'll
be
available.
I
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
this
is
Peter
lazorchek
with
stone
environmental
and
the
preferred
as
Dan
mentioned,
is
very
sensitive
site.
So
we
really
had
to
consider
what
stormwater
management
practices
we
wanted
to
propose
for
this
site
and
where
we
landed
was
generally
either
bioretention
cells
or
swales.
That
sort
of
surround
the
site,
hydrology,
already
flows,
sort
of
generally
from
Pine
Street
to
the
west
and
surrounding
Wetlands.
I
So
with
these,
shallow
bioretention
cells
were
able
to
sort
of
maintain
existing
hydrology
and
also
hydrogeology,
by
trying
to
infiltrate
as
much
of
the
storm
water
into
the
ground
as
possible.
Recognizing
that
these
soils
aren't
extremely
infiltrative.
We
do
have
under
drains
placed
in
the
Stone
below
the
buyer
retention
media
and
those
will
will
overflow,
as
it
fills
up
out
into
the
buffer
of
the
Wetland.
I
I
J
I
For
for
oftentimes
for
contaminated
sites,
that
is
the
case
in
this
particular
site.
We
are
trying
to
maintain
the
existing
conditions
as
much
as
possible,
so
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
change
the
hydrogeology
and
we're
actually
kind
of
working
to
plug
all
of
all
of
this
stormwater
design
into
a
larger
model,
as
we
move
forward
in
in
the
corrective
action
plan,
as
Dan
was
describing
so
the.
J
I
have
a
question
for
possibly
Daniel,
because
you
talked
about
soil
management
as
we
connected
to
you
know,
excavation
and
so
on.
But
I
noticed
that
you
have
a
fair
amount
of
you
know.
Underground
infrastructure
here
I
saw
a
drawing
for
a
sewer
pump
station.
I
know
you
have
you're
proposing
a
a
causal
geothermal
system.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
were
going
to
be
part
of
your
evaluation
and
or
corrective
action.
H
I
think
the
deeper
the
figure
14b
is
daily
pushed
up
was
inclusive
of
all
beef
excavations
that
are
that
are
exceed
up
foot.
So
there
is
a
small
you
can
see
a
small
polygon
related
to
the
the
one
of
one
of
the
two
sewer
pump
station.
The
second
one
is
over
on
the
south
end
of
the
site.
The
geothermal
Wells
are
not
shown
here,
because
the
layout
of
that
system
has
not
been
established.
H
We
have
taken
a
conceptual
layout,
drawing
within
our
our
own
soil
calculations,
for
the
purpose
of
developing
volumes
going
off-site
and
accounting
that
so
that
the
anticipated
oil
produced
from
those
features
within
the
total
soil
budget.
But
it's
just
not
shown
on
the
map
because
we
don't
know
where
they're
going
to
go,
but
all
subsurface
infrastructure
all
all
have
okay
water
lines,
like
you,
said
the
geothermal
lines,
the
tree
Wells,
the
every
every
bit
of
landscaping
plants,
storm
water
features,
are
all
important
Incorporated
within
our
soil
management
plan
calculations.
B
But
you
just
said
we're
not
adding
the
third
lane
on
the
driveway
and
I
wanted
to
talk
to
Roger
about
what
he
thinks.
The
overall
intersection
operations
would
be
I
know
very
well
when
v-translosd
applies
or
doesn't
apply,
and
very
well
aware
of
the
40th
Burlington
decision
about
how
you
know
these
can
be
interpreted
in
an
urban
area.
B
I
They
were
Corey
in
particular,
I,
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
the
design
team,
but
he
was
concerned
with
pedestrian
and
bicycle
conflicts
having
the
third
lane
as
we'll
have
that
new
shared
use
path
going
across
model
techs,
so
I
think
that
was
the
gist
of
it
and
also
they're.
You
know
very
long
far
along
in
the
planning
design
of
that
project
and
actually
looking
to
move
to
construction
I
believe
later
this
summer.
So
I
think
it
was
just
a
combination
of
the
timing
and
concern
about
those
conflicts.
B
B
B
A
G
G
Yeah,
it's
for
the
first
floor
is
for
groups
of
eight
to
ten
and
the
second
floor
for
two
to
four,
and
it's
just
like.
If
you
had
a
small
party
that
was
coming
to
use
the
whole
facility
that
they
had
their
own
space,
whether
it
was
a
birthday
bridal
shower,
you
know
it's
just
kind
of
its
own
little
private
party
space
and.
G
The
industrial
hoop
house,
which
is
up
here,
yeah
that
that
is
an
actual
growing
Greenhouse
for
vegetables.
This
one
that's
labeled
down
here
is
more
of
a
multi-function
space.
It's
it'll
more
of
a
relaxation
Zone
that
will
have
plants
in
it
and
it's
more
of
kind
of
a
habitable
space
for
relaxation.
When.
B
J
B
C
E
K
G
We
don't
and
at
the
time
I
think
this
proposed
perimeter
fencing.
Not
only
is
it
for
kind
of
privacy,
but
also
security
to
the
entire
property,
especially
with
it
having
pools
within
it,
the
location
you
know
as
we're
getting
further
into
the
site
exploration
and
the
cap.
You
know
this
might
adjust
a
bit
depending
on
soils
and
what's
being
removed
what's
staying,
and
at
this
time
we
do
not
have
a
design
of
what
that
would
be,
but
it
would
be
a
solid
fence
that
you
could
not
see
through.
E
H
The
soil
management
figures
also
depict
the
defense
on
the
west
side
of
the
parking
lot,
and
that
was
intended
to
be
that
of
a
remedial
barrier.
We
haven't
gone
forward
as
much
with
Kelly
and
the
Landscape
Architects
to
figure
out
what
that
might
look
like,
but
we're
not
envisioning
chain
length
or
something
awful
like
that.
H
F
F
And
then
the
24
bike
spaces,
so
it
looks
like
most
of
them,
were
on
the
kind
of
that
Center
Island
South
of
The
Pedestrian
Plaza
and
then
the
other
one
is
I'm
guessing
employee
because
it
was
on
kind
of
that
side
of
the
building
is
what
it
looked
like.
Yes,
that's
right,
okay,
and
so
those
are
just
open-air
bike,
racks,
I'm,
guessing.
G
C
E
E
L
B
B
B
M
Go
ahead
all
right!
Thank
you
for
hearing
me.
I
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
the
wisdom
and
the
impact
of
this
large
new
construction
on
the
Barge
Canal
I
do
work
with
a
group
called
a
group
of
local
volunteers,
called
friends
of
the
Barge
Canal
we've
been
concerned
about
primarily
conservation
and
protection
of
the
Wildland
at
the
Barge
Canal,
and
some
of
those
concerns
I
have
shared
with
in
in
continuing
discussions
with
jovial,
King
and
other
people
involved
in
the
in
the
project.
M
So
this
highly
disturbed
land
didn't
come
out
of
nowhere.
It
actually
came
out
of
you
know
the
various
industries
that
have
mentioned,
including
manufactured
gas,
Lumber,
railroad,
Etc,
but
I
have
specific
concerns
about
the
staff
report
within
the
within
the
the
points
of
the
of
the
comprehensive
development
agreement
or
organ
ordinance.
One
was
the
safety
consider
the
traffic
and
safety
that
you
brought
up,
AJ
and
I.
Thank
you
for
for
questioning
about
that,
because
it
seemed
like
that's.
M
M
As
a
as
a
biker
and
a
walker,
I
I
see
a
pinch
point
at
the
maltex
Howard
Street
Pine
Street,
intersection
that
not
just
because
of
the
loss
degradation
to
to
an
e-categorization,
but
just
as
a
walker
and
a
biker,
I
see
lots
of
potential
conflicts
with
the
shared
use
path
and
I'd
like
those
to
be
addressed
before
this
Con.
This
project
gets
approved.
M
The
recent
events
of
the
last
week
in
terms
of
the
the
flooding
and
the
the
rainfall
make
me
question
or
wonder,
though,
I
really
respect
the
the
expert
for
for
stone
and
other
people.
Who've
addressed
the
stormwater
questions.
Make
me
question
whether
the
the
retention,
the
bio
retention
swales,
are
adequate
for
the
intensity
of
the
storms
that
we're
expecting
as
we
as
we
go
forward
into
this
era
of
climate
disruption.
M
It's
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
that
construction
activities
will
be
limited
to
a
certain
time,
but
that
that
shouldn't
be
a
problem
because
we're
in
the
Enterprise
light
manufacturing
District,
but
in
fact
within
that
or
right
across
the
street,
from
453
Pine
Street
at
500.
Pine
Street
is
the
Jackson
Terrace
Apartments,
which
are
very
much
impacted
by
any
act,
construction
activities
that
will
be
going
on
on
Pine,
Street
and
and
just
down
the
street.
So
I
want
to
just
mention
that
as
a
something
to
take
into
consideration.
M
M
The
the
Metcalf
and
Eddie
report
in
1992
identified,
51
bird
species
and
20
mammals
and
10
reptiles
and
amphibians
living
on
the
land
and
30
years
later
after
the
land
has
really
been
left
alone.
Because
of
the
decision
in
night,
the
record
of
decision
in
1998
to
leave
it
alone.
That's
got
to
be
a
lot
more
microevolve,
which
has
been
conducting
Community
science
inventory
since
last
year
have
documented
216
species
of
plants
and
animals,
and
the
bat
study
that
was
submitted
to
the
drb
by
the
applicant
recorded
9
000
bat
passes
in
35
nights.
G
Aj
can
I
just
respond
to
one
item
sure
the
one
item
I
want
to
respond
to
was
the
Champlain
Parkway
plans
and
when
this
application
was
submitted,
that
that
old
design
was
just
happened
before
our
project
and
did
not
include
this
project
and
we've
tried
to
work
on.
You
know
looking
at
traffic
patterns
and
that
intersection,
but
we're
told
it
was
just
too
late
at
this
time
and
that
it's
something
we
could
look
at
again
once
that
project
is
complete
and
once
this
project
is
complete,
so
I
just
want
to
address
that.
G
B
E
N
N
I
guess
my
first
question
is
you
mentioned
at
the
beginning
that
this
had
become
all
of
a
all
remote
meeting
because
of
some
security
issue,
but
I
I
mean
I
was
third
hand
in
getting
that
information
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
couldn't
didn't
get
that
information,
but
it
seems
like
you,
there
is
more
information
about
that
I'm
a
little
bit
shocked
about
it.
Can
you
tell
let
the
public
know
what
the
security
issue
was,
because
you
said
it
had
to
do
with
the
public.
N
B
N
Okay,
that
sounds
very
serious.
Of
course,
I'm
not
questioning
your
decisions,
but
I
am
making
I
might
I
want
to
express
my
alarm
at
that,
because
I
think
I
have
a
great
amount
of
respect
for
public
process
in
these
meetings
and
depend
on
it
and
I
think
the
public
does
so
I
guess:
I
won't
belabor.
That
I
have
many
questions.
N
I
guess
I
want
to
say
first
off
that
I
just
got
back
from
visiting
my
brother
and
Barry
and
I
have
another
brother
in
Montpelier
I,
don't
know
if
people
have
been
there
recently,
but
the
impact
of
the
floods
has
is
tremendous,
and
so
is
in
the
interval
here
within
the
City
of
Burlington
and
I
haven't
heard
that
mentioned
or
acknowledged,
whereas
everywhere
else
it
does
get
acknowledged.
So
I
want
to
know
that
members
of
this
board
are
aware
that
the
climate
is
more
than
changing.
N
It
has
become
a
crisis
and
aproposa
that
one
of
the
questions
I
want
to
ask
I.
Suppose
it's
for
Dan
is
Dan
when
you
mentioned
that
the
storm
water
studies
that
were
done
in
terms
of
the
design
that
you
that
you
created
and
and
just
to
say
also
that
I
have
great
respect
for
your
work
as
well.
How
far
ahead
did
you
project
your
calculations
for
how
much
storm
water
would
actually
be
flowing
through
this
area?.
B
So
if
you
would
direct
your
comments
to
us
as
the
board
and
then
Dan
or
the
members
of
the
applicant
team
will
respond
when
they're
done,
that's
how
we
like
to
entertain
our
public
process.
We
don't
typically
like
to
get
into
a
back
and
forth
discussion
between
the
applicant
and
members
of
the
public
directly
because
it
creates
a
muddled
record
and
we
often
get
lost
in
that
discussion.
So
that's
a
good
question
and
I
think
a
fair
question
and
I
would
invite
the
applicant
to
answer
that
when
you've
wrapped
up.
N
Okay,
so
another
question
that
I
have
it
the
it's
not
really
a
question.
I
think
the
high
school
I've
been,
of
course,
involved
in
watching
The,
High
School
process
and
the
amount
of
contamination
at
that
site
and
the
is
a
huge
amount
of
contamination
and
disruption
that
that
is
called
cause
to
the
city
to
every
family
in
the
city
and
point
out
that
we
are
talking
about
contamination.
N
So
I
guess.
The
question
is:
whereas
I
know
that,
of
course,
their
aim
is
that
it
not
contaminate
the
leg.
But
what
kind
of
ongoing
monitoring
or
is
there
well
I
guess
my
question
is
I'm,
assuming
that
there
will
be
ongoing
monitoring
as
a
result
of
the
development,
the
removal
of
the
trees,
the
removal
of
the
soil?
E
N
So
I'm
hoping
you're
taking
account
of
these
questions
because
I
don't
have
the
kind
of
memory
that
would
come
back
to
it.
So
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
there
are
around
the
perimeter,
especially
on
the
west
side
of
this,
on
the
conserve.
What
we
hope
will
ultimately
be
conserved
land.
N
N
Question
is
the
impact
taking
that
into
consideration
at
up
until
now
that
land
has
been
what
I
think
is
referred
to
as
in
many
of
the
accounts
as
as
basically
empty
land.
It
it's
not
empty,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
empty
because
it's
one
of
the
few
open
areas
left
in
the
South
End
and
it's
somewhat
wild
and
somewhat
private
and
it
will
become
and
is
already
a
home
for
people.
We
need
to
be
thinking
about
that.
N
That's
is
that's
about
as
clear
as
I
can,
as
I
can
make
that
I
just
want
to
plant
that
reality
in
your
in
your
minds.
Okay,
oh
so
I
think
that's
I,
I
guess
I
just
wanted
the
avoid
compression
I
I
heard
Daniel
mention
that,
as
is
one
of
the
important
aspects
of
their
design
and
what
the
ongoing
monitoring
of
that
is
because
past
reports
that
we
have
read
indicate
that
any
weight
on
that
soil
and
I
know.
N
N
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
every
time
that
we
send
soil
to
Coventry,
that
we
are
putting
another
community
at
risk,
contaminated
soil
and
right
now
in
Coventry
the
expand
where
the
question
of
the
expansion
of
the
Don,
the
dump
there.
The
waste
treatment
center
is,
is
being
fought
by
a
Citizens
group
there
because
of
the
contamination
to
the
Black
River,
which
drains
directly
directly
into
Lake.
Memphis
Magog
I
think
that
that
should
be
an
awareness
of
this
group
as
well
we're
not
operating
in
a
vacuum.
E
B
I
I
I
B
I'll
just
be
sort
of
somewhat
specific
right,
so
the
Baseline
treatment
is
based
on
one.
What
do
you
have
one
year?
Storm
for
water
quality
right
in
the
one-year
storm
numbers
are
a
running
updated
average
of
the
average
one-year
storm
in
Chittenden
County
every
based
on
the
last
30-year
average.
Is
that
right,
so
it
gets
updated
as
rainfall
numbers
change,
right,
okay
and
that's
a
state
provided
number
that's
correct!.
B
I
B
I
I
I
do
I,
do
not
believe
I
have
anything
further
to
add
other
than
we
will
be
meeting
state
and
local
standards,
and-
and
on
top
of
that,
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
other
considerations
that
we
are
evaluating
and
modeling
in
terms
of
existing
hydrogeology
and
how
this
project
will
impact
that.
So
it's
it's
a
very
complex
site
and
we
are
really
looking
at
things
on
all
sorts
of
levels.
H
H
for
hydraulic
head
across
both
all
of
453,
but
also
portions
of
the
Superfund
Site
west
of
453
and
then
to
a
limited
extent,
501
Pine,
that
so
we
we
have
pressure
transducer
data,
which
is
essentially
15
minute
interval,
hydraulic
head
data
and
that's
also
confirmed
with
manual
measurements
you're,
also
helping
expanded
on
the
existing
monitoring.
That's
going
on
in
the
canal
itself
to
look
and
see
whether
or
not
there
are
bubbles
passing
up
through
the
remedial
cap
that
are
bringing
any
contaminants
to
the
surface.
B
O
H
I
could
just
offer
a
couple
of
things.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
the
the
land
that
we
are
talking
about
is
not
the
Superfund
Site,
and
so
quite
a
bit
of
the
of
the
statements
that
were
made
about
migration
and
contaminants
of
the
subsurface
were
related
to
the
Superfund
Site,
the
the
the
broad
which
is
Brew
of
contaminants.
E
H
H
To
add
one
thing:
I
mean
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
going
to
talk
about
the
high
the
housing
issue
per
se,
but
just
that,
but
for
this
development,
the
users
of
that
property,
be
they
Recreation
or
or
homeless,
are
exposed
to
contaminants
and
they
are
currently
exposed
to
surfacial
soils
that
exceed
guidelines
that
are
set
forward
by
the
state
and
the
design
of
the
site
is
to
remove
that
risk
from
users
of
the
site.
So
that's
you
know,
I
guess,
take
that
for
what
it's,
what
it's
worth.
B
C
I
I,
guess
I'm
sure
it's
trying
to
understand
and
say:
can
we
use,
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
case
here.
Then
we
have
the
state
tour,
but
don't
we
usually
have
DPW
way
in
on
stormwater
review
for
a
project
and
is
that
superseded
here
by
the
cap
and
the
epsc
review
of
the
site
am
I
missing
something
here.
D
B
B
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
and
I
just
lost
my
agenda.
He's
1012
Oak
Street,
the
next
one.
That's
up
yes!
So
the
next
agenda
item
is
zp23-222
10-12,
Oak,
Street
established
dwelling
unit
within
garage
and
reconfigure
driveway
PUD
for
second
attached
dwelling
unit.
This
was
actually
marked
on
our
consent.
Agenda
item
and
I
missed
that
I
was
going
to
ask
you
to
move
this
one
up
as
well,
but
since
we've
opened
a
public
Hearing
in
general,
I
see
one
hand
up
already
on
this.
P
B
And
I
suppose
there's
an
individual
in
the
audience
we'd
like
to
be
heard
on
this.
Is
that
what
I'm
understanding?
So
let
me
get
you
to
raise
your
right
hand,
you
or
anybody
else
who
wants
to
be
heard
on
this.
Do
you
swear
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
in
a
matter
under
consideration
is
true
and
correct
in
the
pins
and
penalties
of
perjury.
B
P
B
P
My
name
is
Anna
tolmark
I'm,
the
architect
worth
working
with
Harold
and
Juliet,
who
are
also
here
and
I
can
say
that
I
don't
have
any
questions.
We
did
upload
a
response
to
the
concerns
on
the
website,
so
we
have,
we
feel
addressed
them
and
I,
don't
know
if
Harold
and
Juliet
have
any
questions
for
you.
B
P
B
So
I
would
guess:
okay,
I,
I,
guess
kind
of
have
to
ask
you,
because
if
we
were
to
approve
this
for
a
consent
agenda,
we
would
adopt
staff's
findings
and
recommendations
and
I'm
concerned
based
on
what
you
just
said
that
you
disagree
with
some
of
them
and
would
like
them
to
be
changed.
Could
you
tell
me
if
there
are
any
specific
issues
that
you
don't
agree
with.
P
No
I'm,
sorry,
that
was
just
it-
was
just
meant
to
address
the
the
desire
to
have
a
walkway
connecting
the
sidewalk.
So
we
we
added
that
we
listed
the
square
footage.
We,
you
know,
we
we
just
revised
the
calculation,
so
it
just
addresses
the
concerns.
That's
all
we
I
don't
think
that
we
have
any
issue
with
what
was
requested.
B
B
B
B
B
Q
So
based
on
you
know,
this
past
fall
that
is
encapsulated
in
the
2023
to
2028
plan,
and
we've
done
that
for
each
of
the
institutions,
with
the
thinking
that
we
would
continue
to
populate
this
Matrix
of
TDM
metrics,
with
each
annual
update
to
the
board.
For
you
know,
tracking,
TDM
and
and
the
metrics
that
go
along
with
it,
primarily
the
mode
split
across
time,
so
that
we
can
see
those
Trends
in
real
time
and
the
reflection
of
changes
to
TDM
strategies
such
as
you
know.
D
B
B
E
R
If
a
strategy
that
was
put
in
place
has
really
been
effective
and
if
that's
really
the
goal
and
I
think
that
is
the
goal
of
what
TDM
is
then
I,
not
merely
a
relocation
of
cars,
then
I
think
that
there's
still
some
work
to
be
done.
So
I
wanted
to
mention
that
to
to
to
all
of
you,
because
I
I
still
feel
like
this
falls
short
and
I.
R
B
Q
I
I
will
just
to
say
that
katma
does
plan
to
meet
with
UVM
in
the
office
of
institutional
research
to
make
sure
that
they
are
doing
their
due
diligence
in
the
survey
that
they
put
out
to
their
membership.
Every
fall
to
make
sure
that
they
are
to
the
best
of
their
ability,
capturing
issues
that
that
Sharon
just
raised
or
other
issues
like
the
primary
mode
split
issue
that
has
has
crept
up
as
a
result
of
telework.
B
F
So
I
just
had
one
question,
just
primarily
with
the
UVM
MC
TDM
program
metrics.
So
it
looks
like
the
the
bus
portion
of
the
mode
share
is
is
very
close
between
the
institutions,
but
the
the
actual
number
for
the
discount
pass
use
is
an
order
of
magnitude
smaller
for
the
241
versus
292
000
compared
to
UVM
and
42
000
compared
to
Champlain.
Is
there?
F
Q
I
believe
what
you're
pointing
to
here
is
a
matter
of
slightly
different
units
on
those
metrics,
so
UVM
and
the
Champlain
College
metrics
are
around
ridership
and
so
folks
that
are
utilizing,
Transit
they're
able
to
track
those
passes
and
we'll
be
able
to
do
so
with
new
fare
boxes.
Once
Transit
goes
back
to
a
fared
system,
whereas
with
the
medical
center,
it's
a
the
number
of
discounted
passes
that
are
provided
to
the
membership
at
that
Institution.
S
I
just
want
to
Circle
back
to
Sharon's
comment
and
also
about
just
reminding
folks
that
the
City
of
Burlington
has
hired
Nelson
nygar
to
conduct
a
city-wide
TDM
study.
In
fact,
we
met
with
them
last
week
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
the
outcomes
of
that
study,
which
I
think
are
due
in
the
spring
2024
or
late
spring,
will
also
help
to
inform
the
gips
and
improvements
and
expansion
of
this
TDM
Matrix.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
as
well.
Okay,.
B
B
B
C
And
I
I
just
make
that
point.
Aj
said
sort
of
put
the
kibosh
on
the
Motorola
consent
item
here,
I
I
just
think
it
was
important
to
have
this
be
there
for
the
public
to
see
if
we
need
them
to
see
it.
Even
though
everything
is
sort
of
a
simplification
or
tweaking
of
the
plan
that
we
already
approved,
I
understand
that
it's
not
very
smaller,
it's
just
refined
I,
don't
know
if
they
want
to
go
through
yeah.
L
Yeah
sure
we
could
do
that
yeah.
So
the
this
application
is
an
amendment
correct
to
the
to
the
plan
that
you
approved
or
the
zoning
permit.
You
approved
the
last
November
at
that
time.
We
were
at
the
end
of
the
design
development
phase
and
then,
since
then,
you
know
as
as
work
on
the
construction
documents
progressed.
There
was
some
fine
tuning
and
which
resulted
in
a
number
of
minor
changes
to
the
plan.
L
L
You
know
we
do
have
Dave
Marshall
our
civil
engineer
here
who
can
describe
those
in
more
detail
if
you
want
to
see
them
on
a
plan,
but
basically
the
the
key
changes
are
we
we
revised
the
the
grading
around
the
the
north
parking
lot.
We
decided,
rather
than
doing
a
lot
of
blasting
of
ledge
we're
gonna
leave
some.
You
know
some
rock
rock
walls.
Instead,
so
there's
reduced
blasting.
L
The
the
size
of
the
high
school
got
a
little
bit
bigger
just
due
to
some
interior
changes.
Structural
changes
I
think
we
increased
it
by
about
5
000
square
feet.
I,
don't
have
it
right
here
in
front
of
me,
I
think
the
greenhouse
got
a
little
bit
bigger
and
you
know
those
are
just
a
few
of
the
key
changes.
I
can
I
can
think
of
offhand.
L
B
No
I
I
appreciate
you
walking
through
them.
I
looked
at
them
beforehand
and
I
understand
them
it's
project,
it's
a
large
project
and,
as
you
get
through
the
construction
facing
of
it,
there
are,
you
know,
changes
to
the
design
and
operation
many
times.
People
don't
do
those
during
the
process.
They
don't
update
the
Amendments
during
the
process.
They
just
do
it
and
deal
with
it
later.