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A
A
A
Thank
you
motion
made
to
adopt
the
agenda.
There
are
no
amendments.
Thank
you,
councilor
Barlow
seconded
by
counselor
McGee.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
that
motion?
Seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion?
Please
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say
no,
we
have
an
agenda
and
we
do
have
counselors
counselor,
Shannon
and
councilor
Hightower,
both
joining
us
by
Zoom.
A
C
Well,
with
respect
to
the
litigation
matter,
I
think
it's
important
that
the
council
hear
the
update
from
the
team.
That's
been
negotiating
a
settlement,
so
I
think
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
further
to
say
at
this
point
with
respect
to
the
other
item:
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
I
have
anything
further
say
at
this
point:
we've
already
shared
quite
a
bit
of
information,
great.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
with
that
I'll
ask.
We
have
two
executive
sessions
so
we'll
have
two
first
motions
and
then
we
will
go
to
a
vote
on
the
on
that
one
and
then
based
on
that,
go
to
a
second
motion
I'll
go
to
if
she's
ready,
I'll
go
to
if
she's
ready
and
when
she's
ready
I
will
go
to
counselor
Carpenter.
A
D
A
E
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
move
that
the
council
find
that
premature
general
public
knowledge
of
information
concerning
BPD
personnel
and
contractual
matters.
Labor
Relations
agreements
would
clearly
place
the
city
at
a
substantial
disadvantage
because
of
the
discussion.
The
discussion
will
involve
sensitive
personnel
and
or
confidential
information,
and
that
the
council
must
receive
confidential
attorney-client
Communications.
Regarding
the
matter.
Thank.
A
You
councilor
Carpenter
again,
if
I
could
have
a
second
to
that
motion.
Councilor
McGee!
Thank
you.
All.
Those
in
favor
of
the
motion
is
made
by
councilor
Carpenter,
please
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say
no
with
that.
Based
on
our
votes
on
the
first
two
motions,
we
will
go
to
a
last
motion:
councilor
Carpenter.
A
Thank
you
and
we'll
also
note
that
the
first
executive
session
will
include
attorney
Tom,
Simon,
City
attorneys
and
mayors
of
the
members
of
the
mayor's
staff.
The
second
executive
session
would
include
Attorney,
John,
Maitland,
City
attorneys
and
members
of
the
mayor's
staff
and
I
believe
that
I've
included
everyone
with
that,
we'll
go
to
actually
that's
a
first
we'll
go
to
a
second,
a
second
to
the
motion
made
by
councilor
Carpenter.
Thank
you,
councilor
Barlow,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
say:
aye.
E
A
Are
there
any
opposed?
Please
say
no,
that
vote
passes
and
unanimously
and
we
will
go
into
executive
session.
We
will
be
doing
that
downstairs
and
expect
to
be
back
here
by
7
30,
if
not
before,
hopefully,
but
certainly,
hopefully
in
time
right
in
time
for
public
forum,
so
we
will
be
back
in
about
an
hour
and
20
minutes
an
hour
and
a
half
or
so
thanks
or
an
hour
and
45.
A
A
A
D
A
Foreign,
we
go
to
public
forum.
We
do
have
one
other
meeting
this
evening
to
attend
to
that
being
the
local
Control
Commission.
So
with
that
at
7,
15
we'll
call
to
order
the
local
Control
Commission
meeting.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
7.01.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda
councilor,
Travers
or
commissioner
Travers.
A
G
A
A
D
A
A
A
E
It
was
so
impressive
to
listen
to
what
had
to
make
that
happen
and
and
top
of
the
list
was
our
city
staff
who,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
happened
fast
enough,
but
having
developed
housing
for
many
many
years,
it
happened
fast
and
again,
it
was
such
an
impressive
group
of
people
that
pitched
in
volunteered
got
paid,
did
a
great
job
to
put
it
together,
so
I
just
want
to
on
behalf
of
all
of
us.
Thank
them
for
that
work.
It's
badly
needed,
but
thank
them
for
all
that
they
do
it.
A
I
Thank
you,
president.
Paul
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
on
our
consent
agenda
tonight
under
item
5.17
or
two
resolutions
from
the
awards,
2-3
NPA,
the
first
resolution
was
passed
unanimously
by
the
mpa
to
ask
that
the
city
named
the
shelburne's
free
roundabout
after
Tony
ruddington
Tony,
passed
away
this
summer
after
a
long
illness
and
while
I
didn't
know
Tony
very
long.
I
did
know
that
he
was
a
dedicated
advocate
for
Transportation
safety
and
a
big
fan
of
roundabouts
and
I
think
this
would
be
an
excellent
way
to
remember.
I
I
will
quickly
mention
the
second
one.
The
mpa
also
passed
a
resolution
in
support
of
big
heavy
world's
proposal
to
reinstate
242
Maine,
the
youth-led
teen
center.
That
did
not
find
a
new
home
after
Memorial
closed
down
in
2016
and
I
appreciate
the
many
folks
who
have
advocated
for
the
return
of
that
essential
space.
A
Nine,
which
is
city
council
president
Council,
updates
I,
don't
have
any
updates
other
than
to
remind
people
that
it
was
supposed
to
be
this
evening,
but
the
Howard
Outreach
team
needed
a
little
bit
more
time.
They
will
be
joining
us
on
February
21st
at
our
council
meeting
other
than
that,
and
also
my
thanks
to
the
Charter
change
committee
for
for
getting
getting
going
on
the
on
Council
rules.
Greatly
appreciated
with
that.
We
will
go
to
item
number
10,
which
is
the
mayor,
General
City,
Affairs,
mayor
Weinberger.
Thank.
C
You
president
Paul
I
thought
I
would
update
the
public
in
the
Council
on
two
to
two
matters
that
the
city
team
has
been
working
hard
on.
One
and
they've
both
been
very
much
related
to
to
recent
events
and
with
the
the
challenge
that
we've
been
having
with
homelessness
in
in
over
the
last
year
in
particular.
C
The
first
is
I
want
to
thank
the
ceto
team
and
numerous
partners
for
working
very
hard
to,
for
the
first
time
set
up
an
extreme
cold
emergency
shelter
out
at
the
Miller
Center
cedo
LED
that
effort
many
City
staff
were
involved
in
one
way
or
another.
The
parks
department
was
also
very
involved
in
this,
as
was
the
Police
and
Fire
Department,
responding
to
various
calls
at
the
Miller
Center
over
over
the
three
nights
that
the
city
LED.
C
This
this
need
was
really
driven
by
the
combination
of
coldest,
toughest
weather
conditions,
we've
seen
in
years,
combined
with
the
extreme
stress
on
the
state's
emergency
shelter
system.
That
is
happening
right
now
in
the
past.
These
Emergency
Shelters
would
be
basically
the
the
state
would
run
this
system
and
more
people
would
be
put
in
hotels.
During
these
events,
now
the
hotels
are
awful
and
there's
no
additional
capacity
for
this
kind
of
emergency
event.
C
So
I
want
to
thank
in
particular,
Sarah
Russell,
the
city's
Special
Assistant
and
homelessness,
who
identified
this
as
a
a
life
or
death
matter,
and
one
that
required
decisive
action
over
last
week
to
make
this
shelter
possible.
I
also
want
to
thank
our
partners
at
the
state
who
did
help
who
did
pay
for
all
the
costs
associated
with
this
shelter,
which
serves
60
different
people
100,
there
was
100
different
shelter
nights,
60
people
over
the
three
nights.
C
So
the
other
announcement
we
made
earlier
today,
which
is
that
after
more
than
a
year
of
work,
the
Elmwood
Avenue
emergency
shelter
will
be
opening
up.
This
week,
Champlain
Housing
Trust
announced
they
will
start
to
receive
guests
this
week
and
they're
going
to
phase
the
move
in
over
the
next
couple
weeks.
They
believe
by
the
end
of
the
month,
all
of
the
30
to
35
beds.
C
There
will
be
filled
and
I'm
very
hopeful
that
this
new
facility
represent
will
will
succeed
at
being
a
important
new
facility
for
the
system
and
trying
to
bring
homelessness
to
an
end
and
trying
to
bring
a
public
health
approach
to
addressing
homelessness.
There's
going
to
be
an
unprecedented
amount
of
services
at
the
site
available
to
guests
there
and
this
both
in
its
physical
form
in
in
this
Folk
piece
of
resources.
C
This
is
really
different
than
any
shelter
we
have
created
in
this
area
before
here
to
the
cedo
team
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
leading
this
effort.
In
addition
to
Sarah
Russell
Samantha
Dunn,
our
assistant
director
for
Community
Works
led
the
development
effort,
the
building
effort
with
many
many
partners,
dozens
of
different
organizations
and
individuals
that
were
involved,
all
of
whom
were
recognized
at
this
event
earlier
today.
So
I
know
this
council's
had
a
lot
of
interest
as
the
public
in
in
that
on
what
avenue,
shelter
and
wanted
to
report
to
you.
C
A
We
will
go
back
to
item
number
3.3
3.01,
which
is
the
public
forum
before
we
begin
public
forum,
a
few
items
of
information
for
those
of
you
who
are
in
contos
the
system
on
the
table
in
front
of
me
has
three
green
lights.
The
green
light
will
shine
when
you
begin
speaking.
The
second
yellow
light
when
you
have
30
seconds
left
and
the
last
red
light
will
shine
when
your
time
is
up
in
order
to
give
equal
time
to
everyone.
A
We
ask
that
you,
please
complete
your
comments
when
the
sound
and
light
indicate
that
your
time
is
up,
if
you're,
in
the
middle
of
a
sentence,
of
course,
by
all
means
complete
your
sentence,
but
we
try
to
keep
the
Public
public
forum
moving
in
again.
In
fairness
to
everyone
give
the
same
amount
of
time
to
everyone.
We
have
a
hybrid
system
for
public
forums.
So
if
you
wish
to
speak
in
person,
there
are
forms
to
my
right
in
the
back
corner
of
the
room.
A
Please
take
one
of
those
complete
the
information
and
give
it
to
the
clerk
at
my
right
in
front
of
the
room.
If
you
wish
to
speak
via
Zoom,
you
can
do
so
by
going
to
burlingtonvt.gov,
backslash
city
council
or
forward
slash
city
council
forward,
slash
public
forum
and
a
form
will
come
up.
If
you
complete
the
form,
your
answers
will
come
into
a
spreadsheet.
That
is
right
in
front
of
me
and
then
I
can
call
on
you
in
the
order
in
which
you
submit
your
form.
A
As
has
been
our
practice,
Burlington
residents
will
have
first
priority
to
speak,
we'll
go
to
Burlington
residents
and
contos,
who
have
submitted
a
form
in
person,
then
to
Burlington
residence
online
back
to
non-burlington
Residents
in
person
and
then
back
to
non-burlington
Residents
that
are
participating
via
Zoom
during
the.
The
only
request
that
we
make
during
public
forum
is
that
you
please
use
respectful
language
direct
your
comments
to
me
as
the
chair
and
not
to
anyone
else
at
the
table,
and
please
do
not
personalize
your
comments.
A
We
do
know
that
there
are
families
who
use
the
City
Council
meetings
as
their
connection
to
public
engagement.
We
want
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
and
it's
a
lot
easier
for
us
to
listen
more
intently.
If
you
speak
respectfully
and
keeping
in
mind
that
there
are
many
people
that
watch
this
program
with
that,
we
will
go
to
the
public
forum
and
the
first
person
from
Burlington
in
con
choice
is
aspirin
ovary
to
be
followed
by.
A
J
Hi
I
I'm,
coming
to
speak
on
issue
6.06
on
the
matter
of
the
community
oversight
board
and
I,
just
want
to
say,
as
that
I've
I've,
been
here
in
support
of
this
I've,
been
here
to
discuss
this
measure
twice
with
the
city
council,
one
time
with
regards
to
Lee,
Morgan
and
one
time
in
support
in
support.
That's
generally
in
the
public
forum
and
I
just
want
to
say,
there
has
been
a
continued
pattern
from
the
city
council
of
of
misinformation
of
fear
and
a
fear-mongering
quite
simply,
they're
the
second
time.
J
The
second
time
I
went
here
to
speak.
That
was
because
Lee
Morgan
was
facing.
We
was
facing
lies
about
being
was
facing
lies
about
like
around
this
community
oversight
board
under
the
belief
that
it's
that
we
are
evil,
radical
anarchists
who
are
just
who
are
coming
to
take
your
children
in
the
dead
of
night
or
destroy
your
police.
And
it's
absolutely
disgusting
to
see
the
city
council
indulge
in
that
and
I
just
want
to
say
this.
The
community
oversight
board
is
has
been.
J
A
bold
and
Innovative
move
step
forward,
the
first
state
that
would
actually
do
something
for
police
reform
and
not
just
the
hollow
words
that
you
the
hollow
words
that
have
been
spouted
by
by
mini
bar
counselors
since
2020
the
hollow
platitudes
and
even
those
have
faded
to
be
honest,
replace
with
with
rhetoric
that
evokes
discuss
the
disgusting,
tough
on
crime
epidemic,
the
the
war
on
crime
of
the
80s
and
has
and
the-
and
this
must
stop.
You
all
are
disgusting.
If
you
pass
this.
A
K
Even
go
ahead,
please
greeting
city
council,
my
name
is
Steven
chisa
and
I'm,
a
big
Burlington
fan
from
Ward
one.
Everyone
agrees:
the
city
Charter
needs
to
be
changed
as
written
in
our
city
Charter,
the
police
chief
holds
the
sole
authority
to
discipline
officers
in
case
of
misconduct,
other
Professionals
in
high
stake,
Fields
doctors,
lawyers,
teachers
and
so
many
others
have
external
oversight.
K
The
police
should
too,
especially
given
that
they
have
the
authority
to
use
force
and
put
people
in
prison.
Remember
the
mayor
himself
pointed
this
out
in
2020,
saying
such
Monopoly
of
important
Authority
is
an
aberration
of
our
democratic
system
and
that
the
current
Charters
are
problematic
and
there's
an
urgency
to
amend
it.
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
that
statement.
Unfortunately,
it's
been
over
two
years,
since
that's
been
said,
and
what
does
she?
What
has
City
leadership
done
to
change
the
charter?
Nothing?
K
They
can
talk
about
resolutions
that
were
passed
to
increase
responsibility
of
the
police,
commission
or
the
creation
of
a
four-point
public
safety
plans,
but
none
of
these
changes
address
the
fundamental
problem.
Burlington
Police
Department
is
only
accountable
to
itself
and
the
police
can't
and
shouldn't
be
the
ones
overseeing
themselves.
If
you
really
cared
about
this,
why
didn't
you
create
your
own
Charter
change
proposal
and
put
it
on
the
ballot?
K
A
L
A
L
I
live
in
Ward
one
well,
I
could
talk
about
how
we
all
agree,
police
can't
oversee
themselves
and
that
the
mayor
himself
has
called
for
a
change.
The
charter
to
address
the
police,
chief's
Monopoly
of
power
or
I
could
talk
about
how
nothing
has
been
done
in
over
two
years
directed
by
this
fundamental
issue,
but
I
want
to
spend
my
time
addressing
some
of
the
specific
concerns
highlighted
in
this
resolution.
L
First
I
want
to
address
the
statement
that,
in
the
resolution
on
line
29
that
says
this
proposal
will
quote,
remove
the
disciplinary
authority
of
the
chief
of
police.
It
does
not
remove
the
chief
from
disciplinary
decisions;
it
just
allows
Community
representatives
to
oversee
and
step
in
if
they
deem
the
Department's
process.
Insufficient.
Second
I
want
to
say
that
this
proposal
creates
more
support
for
police
officers,
not
less.
The
police
commission
is
designed
to
make
sure
officers
are
well
supported
through
training,
research
and
Innovation.
L
While
discharge
is
trying
to
investigate
complaints,
it
is
not
only
structured
in
a
way
that
makes
this
difficult,
but
focusing
on
these
investigations
reduces
the
commission's
capacity
to
focus
on
the
elements
of
its
role
that
are
designed
to
support
officers.
Shifting
the
roles
of
investigation
and
discipline
to
the
oversight
board
ensures
that
the
police
commission
can
focus
its
energy
on
efforts
that
ultimately
support
the
police
force
as
police.
L
Commissioner
Milo
Grant
said
in
the
last
public
hearing
quote:
I've
changed
my
mind
and
I
support
the
Spell
item
strongly
as
a
way
to
not
only
protect
the
citizens
of
Burlington
but
to
protect
the
officers
to
make
sure
they
get
the
support
they
need
to
make
sure
they
get
the
training.
They
need.
Third,
to
allude
to
the
idea
that
this
proposal
has
not
seen
Community
engagement
is
really
wild.
L
It
was
brought
to
you
by
burlingtonians,
your
own
burlingtonians
has
spent
over
a
year
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
hours
talking
to
neighbors
and
getting
over
2
000
signatures
to
get
this
on
the
ballot.
An
almost
identical
version
of
this
was
passed
seven
to
five
by
the
city
council,
after
deliberation
and
many
hours
of
public
forum
with
over
150
community
members,
calling
in
alone
on
December
7th
of
2020.,
it
has
seen
strong
legal
vetting
by
City
attorneys.
L
M
So
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
a
large
number
of
counselors
co-sponsored
this
resolution
that
is
coming
before
you
later
this
evening
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
reconsider
your
positions.
I
think
part
of
the
community
oversight
board
is
really
about
the
idea
that
it's
okay
to
be
wrong.
It's
okay,
to
mess
up
it's
okay,
to
make
mistakes.
What's
not
okay,
is
to
fail
to
take
accountability
and
not
try
harder
right.
That's
the
difference
between
call
outs
and
call-ins.
Somebody
can
call
you
out.
M
They
can
say
what
you
did
was
not
right.
It
was
harmful
and
then
you
can
make
that
a
call
in
by
saying
yes
I
hear
you
I
want
to
do
better,
I'm,
gonna,
try
and
excuse
me,
I,
think
that
is
really
what
I'd
like
to
encourage.
Those
of
you
who
supported
this
resolution
to
do
tonight
to
to
try
and
consider
the
implications
of
your
actions.
M
I
think
that
it's
important
to
recognize
that
the
community
oversight
Ford,
is
about
supporting
the
police
department
and
the
police
officers
in
creating
the
change
that
they
want.
No
one
here
believes
that
the
Burlington
Police
Department
has
not
been
making
efforts
to
do
better,
but
they
need
help
right.
They
can't
do
it
all
on
their
own
and
a
community
oversight
board
allows
an
honest
dialogue,
open
feedback
and
I.
M
N
I
think
you
need
help
too.
You
got
all
these
people,
but
still
you
need
somebody
with
a
different
Vision
someone
who
sees
what
you
don't
see
and
I'm
not
a
fan
of
the
police
never
happened,
because
they
rather
shoot
me
than
talk
to
me,
but
I'm
thankful
to
still
be
here.
I,
don't
like
this
clock.
Oh
anyway,
I'm
gonna
be
60.
This
year,
I
got
six
grandkids
born
at
Fletcher
Allen
and
they
deserve
everything
in
life.
That's
coming
to
them.
Everything
good
and
wholesome,
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
make
better
decisions.
N
A
O
Hello
hi,
my
name
is
Colin
Larson
I
live
in
Ward
four
I'm
here
to
speak
in
regards
to
the
South
End
Redevelopment
plan,
so
I'd
like
to
State
unequivocally
that
the
Redevelopment
plan
should
proceed
with
some
haste.
I
hope
that
the
city
council
agrees
on
this
point
as
tonight
will
be
the
first
reading
of
the
proposed
ordinance.
We
will,
as
a
community,
have
the
opportunity
to
iron
out
the
details.
O
The
devil
will
be
in
these
details.
I
ask
us
to
consider
what
our
end
goals
for
this
Redevelopment
are.
We
can
all
agree
on
the
need
for
more
housing,
the
kind
of
quality
permanent
housing,
Within
Reach
for
residents
of
Burlington.
We
need
robust
public
infrastructure
for
multimodal
transportation
to
support
buses,
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
other
forms
of
getting
around
that
don't
require
the
use
of
single
occupancy
cars.
We
need
commercial
and
residential
density
together
to
support
these
goals,
to
build
wealth
for
the
city
and
its
people
to
support
the
Public
Services
on
which
we
all
rely.
O
So
as
we
move
forward
with
the
Redevelopment
plan,
we
must
use
these
goals,
as
our
North
Star,
for
example,
should
the
proposed
residential
uses
for
these
properties
really
play
second
fiddle
to
the
industrial
uses,
is
a
hotel,
the
best
use
of
limited
space
in
a
district
and
city
that
needs
permanent
housing?
Should
we
construct
expensive,
multi-story
parking
structures
at
all
in
a
district
designed
to
be
pedestrian
friendly,
where
land
use
should
be
optimized
for
people?
O
Moreover,
are
there
necessary
Provisions
to
ensure
the
free
market
does
not
run
amok
in
our
city?
Can
we
ensure
a
space
for
everyone,
and
not
just
the
high-end
luxury
apartments
and
Tech
firms
that
have
dominated
Redevelopment
projects
in
other
cities?
These
are
the
questions
we
must
be
asking
during
this
process.
We
must
plan
for
the
city
we
want
in
5,
10
and
even
20
years
time.
This
project
represents
only
a
minuscule
part
of
our
City's
potential
land
for
up
zoning.
In
the
absence
of
a
larger,
more
comprehensive
effort,
it
will
not
be
enough.
Thank
you.
P
P
It
okay!
Well,
let's
see
what
I
can
do
here
when
I
last
spoke
to
the
council
about
a
month
ago,
I
suggested
that
before
any
actions
are
taken
to
prolong
or
expand
the
operation
of
the
McNeil
plant,
the
council
should
request
information
from
BD
about
the
carbon
dioxide
emissions
that
the
facility
produces.
This
is
essential
information.
It's
not
just
the
grill
or
elephant
in
the
room.
It's
more
like
a
giant
blue
whale
that
BD
does
not
want
to
acknowledge.
P
I
have
some
good
news,
though
I've
got
a
way
where
you
can.
Each
of
you
without
doing
heavy
math
can
calculate
how
much
the
emissions
are
of
CO2
from
this
plant
using
information
from
BD's
website.
You
can
calculate
how
much
CO2
is
being
created
by
the
process
of
burning
wood
at
McNeil
and
better
still
I'm,
going
to
give
you
the
figures
from
the
website
and
show
you
how
to
do
the
calculations.
No
math
skills
are
required.
P
Bd
reports
that
McNeil
Burns
76
tons
of
wood
an
hour.
That's
about
twenty
five
hundred
hundred
pounds
a
minute.
They
also
burn
about
400
000
tons
of
wood
a
year.
They
don't
operate
all
year.
Long
in
2001
it
was
a
bit
more
than
420
000
tons,
so
the
400
is
a
little
bit
low.
So
how
can
we
simply
convert
this
to
CO2?
Well,
it
turns
out
that
the
Vermont
Department
of
Environmental
Conservation
has
developed
an
Excel
spreadsheet
that
estimates
the
CO2
produced
by
McNeil
for
a
given
weight
of
wood
burn.
P
The
spreadsheet
goes
through
complex
calculations
that
convert
pounds
of
wood
to
pounds
of
CO2
out
the
stack,
but
you
don't
actually
need
the
spreadsheet.
It
turns
out
that
this
spreadsheet
can
be
reduced
to
one
very
simple
equation.
That
equation
is
the
weight
of
wood
in
equals,
the
weight
of
CO2
out.
That's
the
result.
The
spreadsheet
give
you
and
that's
all
you
need
to
know
pounds
in
is
pounds
of
CO2
out.
It
couldn't
be
simpler.
It's
a
one-to-one
ratio.
P
It
means
the
McNeil
produces
2500
pounds
a
minute
of
CO2
76
tons
an
hour
and
at
least
400
000
tons
of
CO2
per
year.
Any
discussions
about
McNeil.
You
need
to
begin
with
a
hard
look
at
those
numbers
and
any
claims
about
renewability
before
ordinances
are
adopted
and
contracts
are
signed
that
rely
on
the
continued
operation
of
McNeil
next
time.
I'll
present
information
on
what
renewability
means
for
wood
burns
a
big
deal
and
how
B
these
practices
are
much
worse
than
those
of
any
other
fuel.
One
of
the
reasons,
I
think
was
certainly
surprise.
A
Q
Hello,
all
my
name
is
Ryan
I'm,
a
cook
Kieran
for
a
Early
Education
Center
here
in
Burlington,
I
love
it.
The
kids
are
great
during
one
of
the
Parent-Teacher
conferences,
I
guess
one
of
the
parents
said
that
they
were
very
excited
about
the
friendship
that
they,
their
three-year-old
and
Mia
created,
which
I
found
incredibly
funny,
and
this
week
they
pointed
to
the
kitchen
and
said,
like:
oh
Ryan
lives
there,
oh,
which
is
very
sweet.
Q
It's
wonderful
on
Halloween,
all
the
kids
dressed
up
and
a
couple
siblings,
dressed
as
astronauts
and
really
like
drove
home.
The
point
that,
like
these
kids,
they
can
really
be
anything
what's
really
cool
about.
Our
Center
is
that
all
the
kids
eat
the
same
food.
They
I
make
them
all
the
same
food
and
they
get
to
see
what
their
friends
are
eating
and
they
get
to
try
different
combinations
and
I
love
it
because
it
feeds
all
of
them
or
what
they
want
to
eat.
Q
And
but
it's
hard,
you
know
not
because
of
anything
the
kids
have
done
or
the
teachers
do
just
living
in
America
the
constant
oppression
of
those
who,
obviously
the
live,
pale
skin.
But
those
that
don't
have
pale
skin
or
weren't
born
with
a
penis
or
even
if
they
were
born
with
a
penis.
It's
still
hard
to
see
the
the
constant
disregard
for
our
fellow
citizens
and
I
know
that
all
the
kids
that
I
feed
food
to
and
all
their
hopes,
all
their
dreams.
Q
R
R
R
The
community
oversight
board
is
an
excellent
way
to
keep
police
accountable
hugely.
It
would
be
hugely
hugely
disrespectful
to
trash
scenes
of
community
to
overlook
the
community's
efforts
to
criminalize
members
of
the
community
and
then
try
to
tell
the
community
to
vote
against
their
own
and
their
neighbor's
best
interests.
A
S
Crying
tonight
my
name
is
Lee
Morgan
I'm,
a
ward
7
resident
I,
wanted
to
start
start
off
by
saying.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
anyone
who
was
involved
with
the
emergency
shelter
at
the
Robert
Miller
Center
I
was
overjoyed
to
see
it
in
my
neighborhood
I.
Think
a
super
important
step
in
breaking
down
kind
of
all
the
the
US
versus
them
stuff.
We
got
going
on
in
Burlington,
and
our
crisis
of
community
is
we're
all
in
this
together.
S
We're
all
you
know
responsible
for
each
other
and
I
think
by
making
sure
when
needs
for
Emergency
Shelters
come
up
and
to
distribute
that
through
the
city
in
different
neighborhoods
that
may
not
typically
be
home
to
these
shelters.
I
think
are
super
super
important
and
yeah,
so
in
in
the
spirit
of
some
things.
I
touched
on
a
couple
weeks
ago
about
breaking
down
miscommunication,
increasing
understanding
and
just
yeah,
really
I.
Guess
rooting
out
misunderstanding
when
the
resolution
tonight
on
supportive
public
input
comes
to
the
discussion
phase.
A
T
Hi
everyone,
I'm
Chris,
Gish
I,
live
in
Ward
5.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
really
briefly
about
two
things.
The
first
is
the
upcoming
carbon
impact
fee
ballot
item
I
think
we're,
hopefully
all
in
agreement
that
we
want
to
act
on
climate,
but
I'm
really
worried
that
this
item,
as
it
currently
is
written,
will
incentivize
false
solutions
by
only
putting
a
fee
on
fossil
fuels
and
not
another
polluting
Technologies.
T
So
I
want
the
I'm,
hoping
the
council
I'm,
urging
you
all
to
amend
your
code
of
ordinances,
since
it's
too
late,
I
believe
to
amend
the
ballot
item
and
chapter
7.
Article
5
lists
out
what
the
city
considers
renewable
and
it
asks
you
to
strike
out
the
second
and
third
items
in
that
Clause
of
the
definition
so
that
we're
not
essentially
incentivizing
wood
ships.
Would
he
biofuels,
renewable
natural
gas
and
all
these
false
solutions
that
we
know
put
even
more
carbon
into
the
atmosphere
even
than
fossil
fuels?
T
And
then
the
second
thing
I
want
to
urge
you
to
vote
no
on
the
resolution
tonight
listed
under
number
6.06.
The
resolution
about
the
community
control
of
the
police.
There's
a
lot
I
could
say
on
that,
but
I
guess
just
I
think
the
premise
of
that
whole
resolution
that
there
hasn't
been
enough
public
input
is
really
Off.
T
V
My
name
is
Jack
Tiano
I
live
in
the
South
End
Ward
5
and
I'm
a
studio
member
at
generator
in
the
heart
of
the
proposed
South
End
Innovation
District.
As
we
begin,
the
collective
discussion
and
revision
of
The
seid
rezoning,
Proposal
I
want
to
comment
with
some
high-level
points
and
how
I
hope
to
see
this
process
of
refinement
play
out.
First
and
foremost,
this
Collective
Endeavor
is
the
biggest
opportunity
for
transformational
physical
change
that
the
city
has
on
a
time
scale
short
enough
to
matter
for
a
housing
crisis
and
climate
goals.
V
We
effectively
have
a
huge
contiguous
section
of
undeveloped
land
in
the
middle
of
the
city
that
is
already
on
Transit
lines
and
is
close
to
where
people
live
and
work.
We
really
can't
afford
to
mess
this
up,
and
by
that
I
mean
we
can't
afford
to
think
too
small.
Given
the
weight
of
this
task,
I
want
to
ask
the
council
to
dream
big
and
think
holistically.
While
reviewing
and
amending
this
proposal.
V
My
by
dream,
big
I,
mean
that
I
believe
we
should
aim
for
a
second
downtown
core
District
I
believe
we
should
aim
for
dense,
mixed-use,
walkable
and
Transit
oriented
development.
We
need
to
ensure
that
housing,
grocery
stores,
artists,
Studios
restaurants,
laundromats
Offices,
Medical
and
child
care
are
all
given
the
zoning
environment
to
flourish.
V
We
have
the
chance
to
build
a
model
for
dense
and
climate
forward,
Urban
Development
in
Burlington,
with
a
high
quality
of
life,
low
dependence
on
cars,
High
overall
tax
revenue,
but
lower
tax
burden
per
person
in
short
to
building
a
financially
and
ecologically
sustainable
way.
When
I
say
we
need
to
think
holistically,
I
mean
that
we
shouldn't
limit
ourselves
to
solving
all
of
our
problems
within
the
proposed
District
itself.
There's
a
risk
that
building
up
this
area
can
displace
our
residents
like
artists
holistically.
V
However,
we
can
identify
that
separate
policy
like
continuing
to
upzone
neighboring
tax,
inefficient,
low
density
residential
districts
can
be
an
alternative
way
of
dealing
with
that
problem
instead
of
kneecapping.
The
seid
itself
same
goes
for
finding
ways
for
the
city
to
incentivize
and
support
Cooperative
housing
projects
to
keep
wealth
and
decision
making.
In
the
hands
of
more
residents
and
making
sure
companion,
projects
like
the
proposed
multimodal
Transit
Center
is
pushed
to
be
more
strategically
enabling
Transit
oriented
development
and
not
just
another
giant
urban
car
parking
structure.
V
W
W
This
is
why
we
started
this
work
and
we
have
heard
from
leaders
in
the
black
community.
We
have
heard
from
the
Vermont
racial
Justice
Alliance
from
the
black
perspective,
the
protesters,
the
community
leaders,
they
all
say
they
want
police
oversight,
and
you
have
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this.
You
passed
this
very
similar
language
and
once
you
realize
that
it's
not
gonna
go
away
instead
of
actually
putting
forth
your
own
ballot
question.
W
D
D
X
That
expressed
an
extremely
perspective
of
the
housing
crisis,
but
one
that
is
held
in
each
of
the
conversations
I
hear
in
C
generated
here
in
our
other
and
in
other
forms.
It
beautifully
Illustrated
how
this,
how
certain
residents
of
the
Burlington
feel
that
they
are
truly
the
victims
of
the
housing
crisis
and
that
their
ability
to
play
the
victim
can
fool,
even
in
New
York,
Times
journalist
into
writing
an
article
full
of
half-truths.
A
Y
Hi
hi,
you
say
more
public
input
is
needed.
I'd
like
to
remind
folks
of
some
details.
From
the
past
few
years
in
2020
police
violence
around
the
country
went
viral
white
folks
everywhere
committed
to
racial
Justice.
It
was
time
to
listen,
to
learn
and
to
speak
out.
Burlington
was
no
exception
and
we
rallied
around
black
voices
and
the
urgency
to
address
police
oversight.
Y
Writing
the
tone
of
the
times
the
mayor
said:
I
support
granting
a
community
board
the
ability
to
conduct
independent
investigations
into
complaints,
subpoena
sensitive
Department
information
and
overruled
the
chief
when
necessary
on
disciplinary
decisions.
He
promised
to
work
with
Council.
To
do
this,
we
had
our
doubts,
and
here
we
are
over
two
years
later,
you
want
more
public
input.
The
charter
change
committee
took
over
took
input
for
months,
public
forum
lasted
hours,
supporting
this
city
council
deliberated
and
passed
aversion.
Y
We
took
it
to
thousands
of
Voters
over
the
course
of
2021
Gathering
support
and
feedback
along
the
way
we
took
that
feedback
and
yours
and
made
revisions.
Then
we
talk
to
thousands
more
voters
and
gathered
support
for
another
year.
Now
it's
time
for
a
public
vote
and
if
it
passes,
you
can
represent
your
constituents
or
bring
them
along
to
committee
hearings
at
the
state
legislature,
where
they
will
surely
be
extensive
discussion
and
revisions
before
it's
sent
to
the
governor.
Y
The
resolution
on
the
floor
tonight
is
a
is
an
offensive
rewriting
of
History.
It
blames
us
the
folks
who
have
engaged
with
the
public
for
over
two
years
on
this
issue,
for
the
lack
of
follow-through
on
a
promise
to
change
the
charter.
It
says
that,
because
of
us,
you
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
hold
meetings
or
receive
input
from
the
community
as
if
us
doing,
the
work
meant
you
couldn't
before
this
proposal
was
on
the
ballot.
Discussion
of
a
charter
change
was
dead.
The
resolution
contains
other
lives,
which
are
already
mentioned.
Y
The
amount
of
energy
and
force
that
has
been
rallied
against
the
proposal
is
baffling.
The
mayor
started
a
pack
against
this.
We
love
money
in
politics,
I'd
like
I'd,
like
to
leave
you
with
some
questions
tonight.
Where
has
this
rigor
been
for
the
past
two
years?
Where
is
this
rigor
and
passion
for
the
victims
of
police
violence?
Why
should
we
believe
that
your
words
are
more
than
political,
Here's,
a
thought?
Don't
use
legislation
as
a
format
to
push
a
narrative,
let
the
people
vote
and
show
your
commitment
to
this
issue
and
whatever
comes
next.
Thank.
Z
Z
Basically,
since
I
moved
to
Burlington,
I
I
felt,
like
our
input,
was
being
listened
to.
I
participated
in
the
charter
change
committee
hearings,
where,
for
the
first
time
in
my
in
my
life,
really
I
saw
policy,
be
crafted
I
I
heard
specific,
like
organizing
principles.
What
do
we
want
this
kind
of
board
to
look
like
what
purpose?
Should
it
serve
and
I
heard
Neighbors
from
from
all
different
backgrounds,
participate
in
that
process
and
I
I
believe
they
they
were.
They
were
listened
to.
It's
we.
We
are
Burlington
right.
Z
We
make
it
up
as
as
individuals
and
there's
been
tremendous
opportunity
for
folks
to
give
input.
We
came
here
to
city
council,
we
came
here
again
after
after
the
New
Year
in
2021
and
after
we
failed
to
override
The
veto.
We
began
petitioning
for
for
that
language
that
had
already
received
all
of
that
input
and
in
that
process
we
took
even
more
Community
input
and
we
actually
changed
the
the
language
of
the
proposed
Charter
change,
we
being
the
people
of
Burlington.
Z
A
AA
Hi
there,
my
name
is
Gordon
Dragoon
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
Ward
5.
I'll
start
by
saying
that
what
we
have
here
in
regards
to
the
South
End
Innovation
district
is
a
dramatic
improvement
over
the
pathetic
use
of
space.
That
is
asphalt.
If
my
comments
ask
too
much
or
give
the
impression
I
don't
see
the
proposals
in
that
positive
know
that
this
is
not
my
intent
you're
going
to
read
about
the
south
end
of
it
Innovation
District
tonight.
The
trend
of
innovation
districts
is
really
nothing
more
than
a
bad
day
to
the
problem.
AA
That
is
a
city's
unwillingness
to
revisit
its
archaic
zoning.
It
has
been
around
106
years
since
single-family
zoning
originated
in
Berkeley
California
in
order
to
keep
minorities
out
of
white
neighborhoods.
Since
then,
we've
observed
it
do
nothing
but
increase
our
dependence
on
the
automobile
and
artificially
keep
your
housing
stock.
Low
I
encourage
you
all
to
seriously
consider
bold
change
in
order
to
address
the
housing
crisis,
but
in
the
meantime,
I
can
offer
some
advice
on
the
current
proposal.
AA
There
are
a
few
things
I
would
like
to
speak
to,
but
given
my
limited
time,
I'll
speak
to
the
one
that
I
find
to
be
the
most
pressing.
The
Florida
area
ratio
or
far
proposed
is
much
too
low.
A
2.25
far
effectively
guarantees
that
the
largest
buildings
we
will
see
in
this
District
take
up
75
percent
of
the
lot
and
be
three
stories
tall
with
four
six
and
eight
story
buildings
being
allowed
in
the
proposal.
AA
I
can't
imagine
it
was
our
intention
if
this
proposal
is
attempting
to
address
the
housing
crisis
and
attempting
to
be
our
test
bed
for
the
adoption
of
Transit
oriented
development,
we
must
allow
the
district
to
be
denser
I'd,
advise
removing
the
fire
requirement
altogether,
as
the
limits
on
size
are
captured
by
the
height
requirement.
Failing
that,
the
far
should
scale
depending
on
the
Zone
it
is
in
and
keeping
with
the
current
numbers.
2.25
slash,
4.5
6.5
far
for
the
four
six
and
eight
story.
Buildings
respectively,
would
be
more
than
reasonable.
AA
AA
A
The
next
person
who
had
wanted
to
speak
during
public
forum
is
Robert
Kiernan
and
Robert.
I
can't
find
you
I
can't
find
you
on
Zoom.
If
you
are
on
with
a
telephone
number,
please,
if
you
could
just
use
the
raise
your
hand,
function,
I
will
come
back
to
you.
The
next
speaker
is
Colleen.
Goodhue
and
Colleen.
I
have
found
you
and
enabled
your
microphone.
You
should
be
able
to
go
ahead.
AB
AB
If
I
weren't,
a
CIS
white
woman,
I
would
be
afraid
to
call
the
police
terrible
things
happen
to
people
of
color
when
they
call
the
police
for
help.
All
the
time
I
was
pulled
over
for
speeding
on
id9
a
State
Trooper
left
me
off.
Let
me
off
without
a
warning,
because
I
cried.
If
I
wasn't
a
CIS
white
woman,
I
would
legitimately
fear
for
my
life
to
be
pulled
over
the
police
have
a
huge
amount
of
power
and
they
often
wield
it
wrongly.
AB
They
have
the
authority
to
detain
people,
they
carry
lethal
weapons
and
they
have
and
will
continue
to
harm
and
even
kill
vermonters.
These
bad
actions
happen
in
Split,
Second
decisions
and
happen
through
corruption
over
time
because
of
their
enormous
power,
police
cannot
oversee
themselves.
You
say
there
isn't
community
support
for
this
petition,
but
that's
not
true.
Over
2
000
burlingtonians
have
signed
this
petition
so
far.
The
ACLU
of
Vermont
endorses
it
I've
only
recently
learned
of
the
petition,
I
support
it
and
I'm
speaking
with
you
tonight.
AB
There
are
so
many
more
people
who
support
this
than
you
imagine
with
over
2
000
supporters.
So
far,
this
is
clearly
something
your
constituents
want.
If
you
claim
to
listen
to
your
constituents,
then
you
will
listen
when
they
bring
this
petition
to
you.
With
this
much
support.
You've
had
two
years
to
make
progress.
You
haven't,
and
your
constituents
have
that's
my.
A
AC
Hi
thanks
very
much.
My
name
is
Annie
Lawson
I
live
in
Ward
four
I'm,
a
Community
member,
a
mother
of
an
almost
three-year-old
and
a
social
worker
I
want
to
open
with
a
quote
from
the
mayor
who
in
2021
said
that
quote,
the
current
Charter
is
problematic
and
there
is
urgency
to
amend
it.
End
quote:
he
further
stated
that
quote.
Such
Monopoly
of
important
Authority
is
an
aberration
in
our
democratic
system.
AC
End
quote,
but
the
conversation
didn't
start
in
2021
when
the
mayor
said
that
it
began
almost
three
years
ago
and
despite
this
urgency,
that
the
mayor
points
to
nothing
has
changed
in
Burlington.
Now,
as
we
are
finally
on
the
verge
of
making
meaningful
change
on
this.
This
issue,
some
in
City
leadership,
want
more
Community
input.
AC
I,
don't
know
what
is
more,
engaging
and
involved
than
talking
to
Neighbors
about
this
issue.
For
two
years
we
have
been
going
out
into
the
community
after
our
work
days
were
done
and
knocking
on
neighbors
doors.
We
accidentally
interrupted
folks
during
dinner
time
and
bath
time,
so
that
we
could
talk
with
them
about
public
safety
and
police
accountability.
AC
We
have
canvassed
in
every
single
board
and
we
have
spent
time
in
public
gathering
spaces
as
well.
For
two
years
we've
been
walking
around
with
clipboards
at
farmers,
markets
and
concerts
and
artist
markets.
This
summer,
I
went
religiously
to
beach
bites
with
my
daughter
and
partner.
I
would
hang
out
with
them
for
a
bit
and
then
spend
an
hour
going
around
and
talking
with
my
neighbors
about
this
topic,
talking
with
your
community
about
important
topics
is
slow
work.
AC
One
hour
if
I
was
lucky
granted
me
about
15
or
20
signatures
of
folks
who
wanted
to
see
this
question
on
the
ballot.
But
in
order
to
bring
this
question
to
the
city-wide
vote,
we
needed
to
gather
2
000
signatures.
Please
just
pause
with
that
for
a
moment.
One
hour
of
conversations
at
an
event
resulted
in
15
or
20
signatures
and
an
hour
going
door-to-door
yielded.
Maybe
six
now
imagine
repeating
that
enough
time
to
get
2
000
signatures.
AC
That
is
a
whole
lot
of
community
input
and
a
whole
lot
of
conversations.
Almost
three
years
have
passed
and
city
council
and
the
mayor
had
every
opportunity
to
ensure
that
more
transparency
and
accountability
were
created.
City
leadership
has
not
acted,
and
it's
taken
a
group
of
Burlington
neighbors
getting
together
to
finally
get
this
community
engagement
question
to
a
vote
hearing
some
counselors
say
that
we
need
more
Community.
Input
on
this
question
makes
it
clear
that
what
you
actually
want
is
more
input
from
people
who
agree
with
you.
AC
A
A
A
AD
If
I'm
to
understand
this
resolution
correctly
and
I
will
acknowledge
struggling
with
it.
The
city
Administration
is
asking
the
residents
of
Burlington
to
vote
no
on
the
community
control
of
police
ballot
item
written
by
Burlington
residents,
signed
by
over
five
percent
of
the
voters
and
and
on
the
ballot
and
on
the
ballot
as
it
stands
for
Burlington
residents
to
vote
for
on
March
7th
or
not
because
they
also
could
vote
it
down.
AD
If
the
ballot
item
passed,
it
would
then
go
to
the
legislature
to
be
possibly
taken
up
for
review
or
not,
as
the
legislature
determines
at
that
point,
it
would
be
edited
reviewed
to
make
sure
it
aligned
with
the
Vermont
Constitution
aligned
with
Vermont
law
and
then
offered
for
a
vote
in
the
legislature
and
finally
to
be
signed
or
Not
by
the
governor,
the
governor.
If
the
governor
vetoes
the
bill,
a
two-third
majority
would
be
required
in
order
to
override
The
veto.
AD
So
that
process,
which
I
must
say
sounds
daunting,
is
not
enough.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
it
seems
like
that's
what
you're
saying
the
city
Administration
is
saying
that
that's
not
enough
that
they
know
better
than
Burlington
citizens.
The
legislature
and
the
governor
and
I'm
frankly
shocked
I'm
shocked
that
the
authors
of
this
resolution
imagine
that
they
should
have
the
right
to
direct
our
voters
to
vote
no
on
this
ballot
item.
AD
Although
the
process
has
been
followed
according
to
our
own
Constitution
and
further
that
the
city
council
and
the
Burlington
Police
Department
is
now,
and
only
now
going
to
get
it
right
and
solicit
input
and
get
something
out
there
by
June
1st
a
mere
four
months
away.
You
all
know
better
than
the
group
of
residents
Advocate
a
lawyer
or
two
who
have
worked
on
this
for
I.
Think
three
years.
AD
D
A
AE
Can
you
hear
me
I
can
okay?
Thank
you.
Yes,
my
name
is
Trisha
Kane
I
live
in
Ward
7
and
I
teach
at
the
University
of
Vermont
I,
also
direct
a
program
in
schools,
a
mentoring
program
for
children,
I'm,
a
former
hate
crimes,
researcher
and
I
also
worked
for
the
United
Nations
monitoring
security
forces
in
Central,
America
I've
lived
in
Burlington
seven
years.
AE
During
that
time,
I've
observed
some
of
the
same
problems
in
our
Municipal
security
forces
that
I
observed,
while
working
for
the
United
Nations
abroad,
a
culture
of
deception
and
the
manipulation
of
public
opinion
to
instill
fear.
Here's
some
examples
of
this:
the
police
brutality
case
against
the
melee
family
and
the
city's
withholding
of
the
police.
Video
of
this
brutal
beating
on
Church
Street
until
councilor
Zhang,
demanded
the
release
of
this
video.
Another
example,
former
Chief
del
Pozo
and
his
deputies
forced
resignations
in
disgrace
for
creating
fake
social
media
accounts.
AE
The
aclu's
documentation
and
Analysis
of
the
current
Chief's
actions
in
the
summer
of
2021
is
another
example.
When
the
ACLU
reported
that
officers
were
withdrawn
from
downtown
on
weekends
and
what
the
ACLU
called
a
campaign
of
misinformation
to
mislead
the
public
and
incite
fear-
and
then
the
latest
Scandal
just
days
ago,
with
press
reports
of
police
working
for
private
apartment
complexes,
while
the
chief
continued
to
insist,
he
didn't
have
enough
officers
to
cover
our
city.
It's
clear
that
our
Municipal
security
forces
are
not
under
civilian
control.
AE
The
second
reason
I
support
the
ballot
initiative
is
because
the
current
police
commission
is
weak.
Prominent
members
like
Mark
Hughes,
a
police
reform
expert,
have
resigned
in
frustration,
and
current
members,
such
as
commissioner
Milo
Grant,
are
insisting
on
the
need
for
more
oversight.
Finally,
third
reason
is
because
we
will
attract
better
police
officers
committed
to
Justice.
AE
If
we
have
stronger
oversight,
honest
hard-working
officers
committed
to
democracy
will
not
be
afraid
of
oversight,
and
it
will
save
taxpayers
money
and
break
the
current
toxic
cycle
of
lawsuits
against
the
police
for
brutality,
as
well
as
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
and
payouts
to
get
rid
of
violent
officers.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
AF
Hi
there
good
evening,
I
am
a
ward
6
resident
and
I
would
like
you
to
know
that
I
believe
this
police
oversight
board
is
absolutely
critical
and
that
it's
actually
not.
Why
I'm
here
this
evening,
so
with
no
Segway
here
we
go
with
the
next
topic:
Pardon
Me,
In,
Spite
of
declaring
a
climate
emergency
in
2019
Burlington,
is
making
inadequate
progress
on
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
AF
When
the
city
council
abandoned
the
climate
action
plan
and
handed
over
Burlington's
climate
future
to
Burlington
electric,
the
goal
shifted
from
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
to
quote
eliminating
the
consumption
of
fossil
fuels.
Well,
it's
true
that
fossil
fuel
consumption
must
be
eliminated.
This
goal
entirely
misses
the
point.
The
single
most
important
action
that
every
climate
scientist
tells
us
we
must
take
is
to
eliminate
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
every
Source,
not
just
fossil
fuels.
AF
In
the
spirit
of
doing
this,
I'm
asking
the
council
to
remove
all
false
climate
solutions
from
the
definition
of
renewable
contained
in
the
2021
heating
system
ordinance.
Please
remove
wood,
pellets,
wood
chips,
renewable
gas,
biodiesel
and
District
heating.
These
sources
of
heat
serve
only
to
shift
carbon
emissions
from
one
polluting
source
to
another
burning.
These
fuels
will
worsen
the
climate
emergency
negatively
impact
human
health
and
delay
real
climate
action.
AF
I
also
urge
you
to
rewrite
the
carbon
impact
fee
ballot
item
in
failing
to
provide
Burlington's
definition
of
renewable
on
this
ballot
item,
you
falsely
lead
voters
to
believe
that
this
ballot
measure
will
result
in
a
reduction
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
It
will
not
replacing
fossil
heating
systems
with
combustion
from
biomass,
and
biofuels
only
shifts
greenhouse
gas
emissions
to
another
source,
again
worsening
the
climate
emergency
and
negatively
impacting
human
health.
AF
When
there's
a
high
likelihood
that
residents
will
vote
against
their
own
values
as
I
strongly
believe
they
will
do
in
this
case
of
this
extremely
misleading
ballot
question,
we
really
need
to
hit
the
pause
button.
Please
rewrite
this
ballot
item
to
include
the
full
definition
of
what
Burlington
considers
renewable
better,
yet
update
the
heating
system
ordinance
by
stop
stripping
dirty
climate
killing
heat
sources
from
the
definition
of
renewable.
D
AG
Thank
you
with
regards
to
the
award
two
and
three
resolution
I
strongly
support,
trying
to
save
242
Main
as
an
institution
in
our
city.
It
seems
the
hopes
of
saving
Memorial
Auditorium,
as
many
citizens
in
our
city
wanted,
are,
will
most
likely
not
come
through
because
of
the
years
of
neglect
and
the
need
for
a
new
high
school.
AG
That
is
simply
not
true
and
to
imply
that
there
hasn't
been
is
really,
quite
frankly,
a
dirty,
a
dirty
tactic,
because
it's
very
similar
to
what
happened
before
about
the
vote
to
reduce
the
number
of
police
officers
where
people
claim
there
was
no
public
conversation
when
in
fact
there
was
there
were
just
people
who
decided
they
didn't
want
to
take
part
of
that
conversation
then
didn't
agree
with
how
the
vote
went.
So
that's
what
we're
looking
at
again.
These
conversations
have
never
stopped.
AG
This
is
more
important
than
it's
ever
been,
because
we
continue
to
have
some
serious
incidents
and
you
have
to
come
forward
with
a
plan
if
you
don't
like
what's
being
offered
and
I
would
also
say
that
being
on
the
police,
commission,
I'm
speaking
for
myself
and
based
on
my
experience,
it's
been
astonishing
to
me
that
the
mayor
and
the
police
chief
would
actively
attack
the
police
commission
for
their
work
on
accountability,
saying
that
it
does
not.
It
discourages
officers
from
applying
to
Burlington.
Thank
you.
AH
AH
I,
just
frankly,
am
am
somewhat
insulted
as
a
Burlington
resident
who
canvassed
and
talked
to
people
who
were
enthusiastic
about
the
community
control
board
when
it
was
first
proposed,
I
attended
the
City
Council
meetings
and
was
really
disappointed
when
it
was
just
black
and
white
put
down
I've
I
don't
feel
when
there's
I
I
was
an
environmental
lobbyist
in
the
80s,
and
often
when
there
is
a
sensitive
subject
that
people
don't
want
to
deal
with.
They
Kick,
the
Can
down
the
road.
By
saying,
let's
create
a
study
committee.
AH
A
AI
AI
Yeah,
my
name
is
Dan
I
live
in
Ward
four
and
I
support
the
community
control
of
police,
Charter
change,
police
officers
overseeing
investigating
and
disciplining.
Other
police
officers
has
not
worked
in
this
country.
Ever
since
policing
evolved
out
of
the
slave
patrols,
it
has
past
time
to
have
actual
Community
oversight
of
the
police
department.
Thank
you.
AJ
I
want
to
speak
in
support
of
the
police
oversight
board
Vermont
Prides
itself
on
direct
democracy.
So
I
want
to
ask
you:
why
are
you
afraid
of
a
more
democratic
process?
Why
are
you
afraid
of
just
letting
the
people
vote?
That's
all
we're
asking
is
just
let
the
people
vote.
Everyone's
already
said,
2
000
people
have
signed
off
on
this.
People
have
been
knocking
door
to
door
talking
to
one
another.
So
what
are
you
afraid
of?
What
are
you
afraid
of
by
literally
having
more
democracy?
A
AK
A
AK
I
would
just
like
to
Echo
the
thoughts
of
many
of
my
community
members
about
the
community
control
of
police.
This
is
a
quote
from
the
people
of
police,
accountability
for
police
accountability.
Rather,
the
police
need
to
be
directly
accountable
for
the
people
they
hired
over
2
000
community
members
have
spoken
and
they
want
oversight.
This
approach
is
community-based
and
intersectional
when
we
neglect
to
use
an
intersectional
problem.
Solving
we
lose
the
voices
of
those
who
are
the
most
vulnerable
and
most
marginalized
I
urge
you
to
listen
to
those
voices.
AK
AL
I
applaud
the
continued
efforts
of
the
mayor
and
Council
and
their
efforts
to
make
a
better
City
I
hope
that
in
the
future,
these
these
seats
are
filled
with
individuals
who
will
help
exceed
goals
that
are
set.
I
applaud
all
Departments
of
Burlington
for
taking
steps
to
increase
their
societal
value
while
facing
their
own
difficulties.
AL
I
applaud
the
efforts
of
the
people
of
Burlington
and
anyone
who's
not
present
during
this
meeting
to
help
better
the
city
while
dealing
with
everyday
struggles
of
Life.
The
list
of
struggles
is
too
long
to
list
appreciation
and
gratitude
to
all
the
people
of
Burlington
for
the
respect
that
is
shown
to
one
another,
while
working
together
to
ensure
a
better
Society.
AL
A
AM
Good
evening,
everybody
as
well
I
was
raised
in
Ward
4
and
am
a
resident
of
Ward
2.
Now
Moreau
you
took
office
when
I
was
a
freshman
at
Burlington
High
School
before
it
was
a
Macy's
or
vice
versa,
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
how
discouraging
it's
been
to
see
literally
no
progress
in
the
way
of
police
accountability.
I
remember
when
protesters
were
fired
upon
with
rubber
bullets
back
in
high
school
and
I
now
I'm,
seeing
my
own
peers
be
Pro,
be
brutalized
by
police
with
little
to
really
know.
AM
So
when
a
movement
that
is
largely
led
by
youth
in
the
area
is
just
stricken
down
at
every
turn,
despite
meeting
the
threshold
for
petitions
to
get
items
on
the
ballot,
it's
it's
just
very
discouraging,
like
I
said.
I
would
really
urge
you
to
allow
this
ballot
item
to
be
voted
on
by
the
Burlington
people.
AM
A
Thanks,
thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We
will
close
the
public
forum
at
8
35
and
continue
with
our
agenda.
The
next
item.
We
have
done
the
climate
emergency
reports,
which
brings
us
to
item
number
five,
which
is
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
a
motion
to
move
our
consent
agenda
and
take
the
actions
indicated?
A
A
We
have
six
items
on
our
deliberative
agenda.
There
are
time
limits
on
most
of
these
items
that
we've
agreed
to
by
approving
our
agenda
and
we'll
do
our
best
to
keep
to
those
time
limits.
There
are
four
license
applications
that
we
need
to
approve.
The
first
is
item
6.01,
which
is
a
tobacco
license;
application
2023-24
for
Pearl,
Street,
Street,
pipe
and
beverage,
and
for
this
item
I'll
go
to
counselor
Traverse
for
a
motion.
A
D
A
F
Thank
you,
president
Paul.
So
if
there
are
any
applicants
here
just
for
the
sake
of
going
through
the
agenda,
we
have
an
application
from
Campus
Kitchen,
a
similar
application
from
grass
Queen
and
a
fourth
application
from
Artisan
Vapor
Company,
and
so,
if
any
of
the
applicants
are
here
in
con
toys
or
online
would
certainly
welcome
hearing
from
them.
I
suppose
the
only
reason
I
wanted
to
say
something
and
we've
discussed
this
as
a
council,
but
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
tuning
in
you
may
be
wondering.
F
Why
is
the
city
council
is
acting
on?
Four
tobacco
license
applications
and
for
the
sake
of
clarity
here,
my
understanding
is
that
most,
if
not
all,
of
these
applications
are
being
submitted
along
with
cannabis,
establishment
applications
and
the
state
requires
that
in
order
to
sell
certain
cannabis
products
that
you
also
need
to
have
a
state
tobacco
license,
and
so
we've
been
seeing
a
number
of
these
as
the
Cannabis
business
has
been
stood
up
here
in
Burlington.
Thank
you.
A
AN
A
Opposed,
please
say:
no
that
motion
passes
unanimously.
There
is
someone
here
from
grass
queen
and
I
will
enable
their
microphone
in
the.
In
the
meantime,
first,
we
will
just
go
to
a
motion.
That
item
is
6.03,
which
is
a
tobacco
license.
Application
and
tobacco
substitute
endorsement
application
for
grass
Queen
Council
Travers.
F
A
A
A
A
A
D
A
A
A
G
Absolutely
and
while
we're
getting
started,
we
did
bring
a
couple
of
slides
just
to
highlight
two
of
the
points
that
have
garnered
a
lot
of
discussion
as
the
Planning
Commission
is
referring
this
to
you.
So
if
somebody
is
able
to
allow
me
to
share
my
screen,
we
can
pull
that
up,
but
I'll
just
say
too
I.
AN
I
think,
while
we're,
while
we're
waiting
to
get
the
slides
up,
I'll
go
ahead
and
give
a
very
brief
introduction
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
proposal.
So
this
southen
Innovation
district
is
a
proposal
to
create
an
overlay
within
the
existing
Enterprise
light
manufacturing
District
about
a
quarter
of
that
area.
We've
got
a
map
that
we
can
show
you
in
just
one.
Second,
the
proposed
boundary,
if
you
can
see
on
this
map,
is
in
sort
of
dashed,
Orange
Line.
AN
AN
AN
This
this
next
slide
is
a
summary
of
some
of
the
questions
that
and
comments
that
we
heard
from
you
all
when
we
briefly
introduced
the
topic
along
with
some
other
South
End.
Issues
in
December
won't
go
through
these,
but
we
include
these
here
just
to
to
say
that
we
fully
expect
all
of
these
bullets
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
with
the
ordinance
committee
and
then,
ultimately,
when
it
comes
back
to
you
all
for
your
consideration
happy
to
take
any
questions
about
any
of
these
later
on.
AN
There
were
clearly
some
concerns
about
whether
this
was
too
high
a
barrier
for
some
of
these
limited
uses,
and
for
that
reason,
staff
came
back
with
a
proposal
to
I
guess
reduce
that
ratio
to
one
to
two.
So
using
that
same
restaurant
example,
1
000
square
feet
of
restaurant
space
would
first
require
as
a
prerequisite,
500
square
feet
of
some
of
those
primary
and
that
is
again
going
back
to
playing
BTV
South
and
what
staff
envisioned
as
a
way
to
Foster
the
Arts
Innovation
Community
uses.
AN
Ultimately,
however,
you
know,
after
after
revising
the
land
use
framework,
the
Planning
Commission
discussed
this
at
length.
There
were
a
couple
meetings
and
decided
to
recommend
the
Amendments
as
modified
here,
which
would
consolidate
all
of
those
permitted
uses
into
one
category
of
as
of
right,
permitted
uses
and
would
remove
that
ratio
that
I
spoke
about
earlier.
So,
to
return
again
to
that
restaurant
example,
one
thousand
square
feet
of
restaurant
space
would
not
require
any
of
those
primary
uses.
AN
Just
a
note
on
the
not
permitted
uses
the
uses
that
are
permitted
in
the
Enterprise
light
manufacturing
today
that
are
proposed
not
to
be
allowed
are
some
of
those
heavy
manufacturing
and
Logistics
uses
that
require
large
warehouse,
space
or
noxious
uses
that
are
not
compatible
with
residential
use
for
the
most
part,
nor
are
they
compatible
with
some
of
the
ecologically
sensitive
areas.
I
would
say
some
of
the
residential
uses
not
permitted
single-family
homes.
AN
This
is
envisioned
as
a
fairly
dense
District,
as
some
of
the
callers
and
commenters
have
noted,
and
so
for
that
reason,
single-family
homes
are
not
proposed
to
be
permitted.
So,
regarding
Building
height,
we
did
hear
quite
a
bit
of
support
for
taller
buildings
during
our
summer.
Public
engagement
and
I
would
say
that
more
recently,
we
have
heard
I
would
say
perhaps
some
opposition
to
the
notion
of
taller
buildings,
either
throughout
the
district
or
in
specific
locations.
This
map
here
is
the
proposed
specific
height
area
map.
AN
The
downtown
form
code
includes
a
similar
map
for
downtown,
and
so
we're
replicating
that
model
here
proposed
to
at
least
so.
Those
areas
in
red
would
permit
buildings
up
to
seven
and
eight
stories.
With
limitations
on
floor
plates
blue
areas
on
this
map
were
limited
to
four
stories.
45
feet
and
yellow
would
be
six
stories
65
feet.
Just
a
note
we
did
hear
you
know.
As
I
said
we
did.
You
know
strong
support
for
taller
buildings.
In
fact,
a
mix
of
buildings.
AN
This
image
on
the
right
is
a
board
that
we
took
to
our
public
meetings,
our
in-person
public
meetings
and
maintained
online
for
about
a
month
and
collected
input,
and
the
question
here
was
you
know
what
scale
of
of
built
environment
does
the
community
want
to
see
in
the
in
the
bottom?
There's
four
rows
and
the
bottom
row
is
a
mix
of
four
six
and
eight,
and
you
can
see
the
green
circles
represent,
represent
a
sort
of
First
Choice
and
so
there's
pretty
resounding
support
for
a
mix
of
buildings.
AN
A
A
G
A
So
again,
this
is
a
first
read
and
a
referral
to
ordinance.
The
reason
why
we
had
asked
you
to
do
this
because
there
are.
You
know
this
is
an
important,
an
important
zoning
Amendment
and
there
were
some
counselors
who
wanted
the
opportunity
to
just
be
be
engaged
at
every
stage
of
this
process
with
that
are
there
counselors
who
wish
to
offer
comments
or
questions
at
this
time,
councilor
Bergman.
H
H
Also
I
I
think
it
leads
actually
to
the
opposite
of
what
we
need
on
Transportation,
because
it
is
absolutely
going
to
be
a
magnet
for
folks
with
single
occupancy
vehicles
or
are
going
to
be
driving
to
this
area,
and
I
I
really
want
us
to
take
to
heart
the
the
comments
that
were
made
in
the
public,
particularly
around
the
walkable
City
ideas
and
the
promotion
of
Transit
Alternatives.
So
I
hope
that
the
that
the
ordinance
committee
will
look
at
that
it
is
embedded
in
much
of
what
the
proposal
is.
H
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
read
all
of
the
documents
which
is
fairly
stunning,
but
the
devil's
going
to
be
in
the
details-
and
this
is
this-
is
you
know
what
we're
doing
is
saying?
This
is
really
a
transitional
area,
and
transitional
areas
have
a
way
of
influencing
things
more
than
we
intend.
So
we
have
to
be
really
really
careful.
H
E
G
D
G
E
And
I,
just
maybe
a
little
bit
for
the
public
to
make
sure
that
everyone
understands
that
that
can
be
either
rental
or
home
ownership.
That's
correct,
I
think
sometimes
it
gets
misinterpreted
to
mean
only
rental
and
I
am
very
supportive
of
of
all
of
those
residential
uses.
I
I
personally
would
not
oppose
in
the
hotel,
because
I
think
there's
a
frustration
about
the
only
way.
Often
you
can
come
into
Burlington
is
to
stay
in
a
motel
in
South
Burlington
and
you
know
for
certain
functions.
We
are
short
bedded.
F
Thanks
president
Paul
and
thank
you
all
for
all
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this
I
went
to
the
events
that
you
hosted
on
this,
including
at
the
generator
where
we
had
the
stickers
there
and
I
thought
it
was
a
great
way
to
engage
folks
as
we
move
forward
on
the
issue.
So
thanks
very
much
for
that
and
looking
forward
to
taking
this
on
now
in
the
ordinance
committee,
I
suppose,
I
just
had
a
couple
clarifying
questions.
F
First,
with
respect
to
the
the
ratio
one
to
two
or
two
to
one,
however
you're
looking
at
it
is
that
now,
if
you
choose
to
include
a
secondary
use,
is
that
right?
We
know
there's
no
longer
the
requirement
of
having
a
primary
or
secondary
use
and,
and
the
ratio
comes
into
play
of,
if
you
have
chosen
to
add
a
secondary
use,.
AN
So
so
there
is
a
requirement
to
have
non-residential
use.
This
gets
into
the
weeds
here.
Okay,
there
is
a
requirement
to
have
non-residential
uses
on
the
ground
floor
of
buildings
when
on
a
primary
Frontage
and
again
that's
in
the
weeds.
We
let
the
developers
decide
which
Frontage
would
be
primary
and
only
one
Frontage
on
a
block
has
to
be
primary.
AN
Furthermore,
there
are
sort
of
exemptions
to
some
of
that
requirement
such
that
you
know,
a
building
that,
let's
say,
is
150
feet.
Long
would
only
be
required
to
have
you
know
one
or
two
thousand
square
feet
of
non-residential
space,
which
is
about
the
size
of
a
sort
of
modest
restaurant
or
a
couple
cafes
or
something.
If,
if
a
and
again
I
guess,
I'll
elaborate,
if
a
developer
does
decide
to
have
some
of
those
uses
on
a
ground
floor,
there
is
no
requirement
that
those
primary
uses
have
to
go
in
so
previously.
AN
F
I
would
say
that
most
constituents,
I've
heard
from
on
this
myself
included,
are
excited
by
the
prospect
of
additional
housing
and
this
undeveloped
land,
even
if
that
means
building
up
to
the
six
or
eight
stories
that
are
proposed
in
the
ordinance
change.
That
said,
I
also
have
to
acknowledge
that
I've
heard,
as
you
all
have
folks
concerned,
including
in
the
Lakeside
neighborhood
that
would
be
most
adjacent
to
this
concerns
about
the
height
of
the
building
and
how
it
might
change
the
dynamic
of
the
existing
neighborhood
and
my
question
is
heading
into
ordinance
committee.
AN
AN
It's
it's
time
consuming
to
produce
renderings
like
that,
and
we
can
certainly
do
that
if
it
would
help
facilitate
that
conversation
with
the
ordinance
committee
and
you
all,
we
have
produced
some
diagrammatic
drawings
to
show
how
Building
height
would
be
perceived
from
various
locations
up
the
hill,
including
Callahan
Park,
and
including
some
of
the
neighborhoods
north
and
south
of
cal-land
Park,
and
we've
shared
those
with
a
Planning
Commission
and
with
the
public
in
those
meetings,
and
we
can
we
can
elaborate
on
those
we
can
bring.
Those
back
to
you.
F
Personally,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
the
extent
it's
practical
with
the
time
that
you
have,
because
I
do
know
that
some
of
the
neighbors
who
have
been
concerned
about
this
have
been
putting
out
their
own
modeling.
Of
of
what
this
would
look
like
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
the
committee
to
be
able
to
understand
how
that
jives
with
reality,
I
suppose
the
last
thing
I
would
say-
and
this
goes
to
one
of
the
public
comments
we
heard
is
I'm
sure
the
Planning
Commission
is
familiar
with
it.
F
We
heard
in
public
comments,
I'm
concerned
that,
with
a
2.25
far
and
lot
coverage
requirements
or
maximums
that
that
that
may
actually
serve
as
a
hurdle
towards
the
construction
of
six
or
eight
story,
buildings
and
so
I
think
heading
into
committee.
It
would
be
helpful
to
maybe
see
some
examples
of
if
someone
builds
up
to
the
maximum
lot
coverage.
What
a
2.25
far
means
with
respect
to
height,
if
someone
decides
to
do
50
percent
or
or
even
less
of
lot
coverage.
F
C
First,
this
this
first
ordinance
I,
do
agree
with
one
of
the
comments
in
the
public
forum
today
that
this
is
really
one
of
the
largest
opportunities
that
we
have
to
take
action
at
the
kind
of
zoning
regulatory
level
in
a
way
that
could
have
an
impact
on
the
the
very
real
crisis
that
we're
facing
right
now.
There's
active
interest
in
building
new
housing
on
this
site,
where
housing
is
currently
prohibited
and
I
think
there
will
quickly
be
projects
that
then
move
forward.
C
A
A
F
F
Thank
you,
president.
Paul.
On
town
meeting
day,
Burlington
voters
will
be
asked
whether
to
amend
the
city
Charter,
creating
a
new
City
Department
with
the
power
to
investigate
and
a
disciplinary
control
board,
with
the
power
to
quote
review
and
make
findings
on
any
incident
or
complaint
against
a
police
officer.
End
quote
not
just
if
and
when
the
chief's
response
has
been
insufficient
or
unsatisfactory,
but
on
any
incident
or
complaint
of
the
control
board's.
Choosing
state
law
requires
that
we
place
this
control
board
question
on
the
ballot.
F
As
over
the
past
couple
years,
residents
have
been
able
to
secure
the
signatures
of
at
least
five
percent
of
Burlington
voters.
This
question
will
be
voted
on
no
action.
The
council
takes
tonight
we'll
change
that
and
the
people
will
be
heard
that
same
state
law
prohibits
the
city
council
for
making
any
changes
to
the
proposed
Charter
amendment
in
response
to
public
input
and
concerns
in
nearly
every
other
city
or
town
in
Vermont.
F
This
petition
would
be
considered
at
an
actual
town
meeting
where
every
voter
would
Gather
in
the
same
Hall,
and
we
would
have
a
discussion
on
the
drawbacks
and
benefits
of
this
measure
and
elected
officials
would
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
encourage
their
residents
one
way
or
another
to
vote
on
the
matter.
The
way
Burlington
does
town
meeting
day
doesn't
allow
for
that
discussion
and
I'm
glad
we're
having
it
tonight.
F
I
really
do
appreciate
the
hard
work
of
those
residents
who
organize
the
control
board
petition
drive.
We
are
having
this
important
discussion
in
large
part
because
of
their
work,
and
while
the
city
has
taken
steps
on
police
oversight
in
recent
years,
including
by
expanding
the
jurisdiction
of
the
police
commission
by
standing
up
new
transparency
and
accountability
practice
with
respect
to
police
data
among
other
steps,
I
do
understand
the
impatience
of
those
who
wish
the
city
had
moved
in
a
faster,
broader
way.
F
I
also
want
to
be
clear
that
the
intent
of
this
resolution
was
in
no
way
to
blame
the
petition's
advocates
for
not
doing
enough.
They
have
done
a
ton
of
good
work
if
anything.
The
intent
of
this
resolution
is
a
call
to
action
for
this
Council
to
get
moving
in
December
2021
before
I
joined
the
council.
A
resolution
was
passed,
committing
us
to
having
a
discussion
before
our
Charter
change
and
ordinance
committees.
F
We
haven't
done
that
yet
for
various
reasons,
including
turnover
within
the
city
attorney's
office,
as
well
as
on
this
Council,
but
that
is
where
we
need
to
have
the
discussion
on
issues
as
important
as
Public
Safety
on
police
oversight
and
accountability.
When
we're
being
asked
to
completely
change
the
police
chief's
existing
rollover
discipline
and
set
up
an
entirely
new
investigative
Department
of
our
city,
dedicating
taxpayer
dollars
to
the
funding
of
that
department.
F
I
strongly
feel
that
we,
as
a
council,
still
owe
voters
an
opportunity
to
ask
more
questions
to
provide
feedback
on
and
develop
responsive
proposals
that
are
based
more
on
best
practices
that
are
tried
and
true
and
tested
in
other
communities
in
public
comment
at
our
Council
meetings
and
and
mainly
in
other
conversations
that
I've
had
with
constituents.
I
continue
to
hear
from
many
people
who
generally
support
greater
police
oversight
and
accountability.
F
When
I
talk
to
folks
about
the
extent
to
which
this
board
and
the
creation
of
a
new
investigative
office
will
require
the
expense
of
taxpayer
dollars.
Unlike
any
Charter
change,
question
I'm
recently
familiar
with
more
and
more
folks,
are
realizing
that,
while
they
may
support
greater
police
oversight
and
accountability
as
I
do
this
is
not
the
way
both
in
content
and
in
process.
F
For
all
these
reasons,
we
could
have
introduced
a
resolution
this
evening
expressly
asking
that
voters
simply
act
against
this
ballot
initiative.
Vote
no
and
leave
it
there.
The
status
quo
is
good
enough.
I
don't
want
to
say
no.
However,
the
status
quo
is
not
good
enough
to
me
and
we
need
to
keep
this
discussion
moving
forward
on
oversight
and
accountability.
F
Voters
should
understand
that
if
they
vote
against
the
control
board
resolution,
a
path
remains
for
us,
as
a
city
council,
to
continue
our
work
on
this
issue.
We've
heard
some
about
naycal.
The
National
Association
for
civilian
oversight
of
law
enforcement.
Well,
this
is
what
Nate
Cole
says.
Nicole
says
that
to
create
a
new
civilian
oversight
mechanism
or
to
reorganize
or
strengthen
an
existing
one,
communities
must
first
consider
a
series
of
important
questions
and
make
key
decisions.
Each
decision
will
guide
and
inform
future
ones.
A
community
which
includes
the
public
police,
police,
labor
and
management.
F
If
this
resolution
passes,
it
will
allow
us
an
opportunity
to
set
up
a
new
process
for
that
process
before
the
charter
change
and
ordinance
committees
who
were
supposed
to
have
these
discussions
by
resolution
in
December
2021
that
that
process
will
report
back
to
this
Council
later
this
spring
or
this
summer
and
I
look
forward
to
that
process
and
hope
folks
will
support
this
resolution
in
setting
it
up.
Thank
you.
AP
Resident
Paul
sorry
great
I
believe
that
this
I
hope
that
this
resolution
is
well
intentioned,
but
I
think
that
undoubtedly
it's
fairly
misguided
to
some
extent,
I
will
be
repeating
what
has
been
said
over
the
public
forum,
but
I
also
want
to
add
to
it.
As
we
heard,
thousands
of
residents
signed
a
petition
to
bring
a
resolution
to
our
voters.
AP
This
ballot
item
has
had
more
people
supported
than
most
probably
some,
maybe
even
all
of
us
on
the
council
Tyler
summarized
it
more
eloquently
than
I
the
vast
public
process
that
has
already
happened
and
Margaret.
What
is
about
to
happen
so
I
will
go
into
that,
but
there's
been
years
of
public
process
around
this
language.
AP
AP
If
the
council
were
going
to
act
at
all
tonight,
I
think
we
should
provide
guidance
to
the
legislature
on
what
our
minimum
viable
oversight
Authority
should
be.
The
legislature
is
considering
oversight
in
a
variety
of
ways
both
through
this,
hopefully
soon
in
a
couple
of
months,
but
also
independently,
and
they
could
probably
use
our
guidance
and
their
deliberation
on
oversight
as
a
whole.
AP
This
resolution
doesn't
even
attempt
to
do
that,
which
I
think
is
the
bare
minimum
of
what
we
should
be
offering
at
this
point
more
than
two
years
later,
we're
just
offering
another
process
the
same
thing
that
we
offered
well
over
two
years
ago.
I
think
our
city
would
be
better
served
by
all
of
us
voting
for
this
and
then
getting
this
passed
on
to
the
legislature,
which
is
where
it
needs
to
be.
AP
The
people
at
the
council
table,
including
the
mayor,
are
powerful
enough
that
if
they
want
to
advocate
for
changes
with
legislation
after
press
as
a
city,
they
have
the
power
to
do
that.
They
have
the
ears
of
the
legislators.
They
have
the
ability
to
move
into
those
spaces
and
do
it
to
at
this
stage,
still
advocate
for
not
moving.
Something
forward
to
the
legislature.
AP
I
think
is
irresponsible,
knowing
knowing
that
we
needed
this
years
ago,
and
it's
another
thing
to
note
that
this
is
going
to
go
if
it
passes
in
front
of
180
lawmakers
and
they
wouldn't
not.
Let
this
pass
without
a
heavy
editing,
hands
and
again
the
folks
in
this
room,
have
the
power
to
have
an
influence
over
what
that
editing
hand
looks
like
and
I
think
our
time
would
be
much
better
served
supporting
that
process,
rather
than
starting
this
process
that
we
already
did
two
years
ago,
all
over
again.
AP
A
E
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
everyone's
concerns
and
I
in
particular,
want
to
appreciate
Council
traverse's
articulation
because
I
think
it.
It
follows
where
I'm
coming
from
and
and
I
too
want
more
oversight.
I
I
blame
myself
that
we
may
perhaps
did
not
come
up
with
another
model
quicker
sooner,
but
this
Charter
change
is
a
very
specific
model
that
cannot
be
changed
once
it's
put
into
Charter
and
I
I.
Think
I
will
disagree.
I've
worked
for
20
years
closely
with
the
legislature.
Their
role
is
not
to
edit
a
Community
Charter
change.
E
We
are
Furious
when
they
try
to
edit
it
in
the
past.
They
do
sometimes,
but
it's
absolutely
the
wrong
Forum
to
say
pass
this
as
is
and
owe
the
legislature
will
edit
it
I,
don't
trust
their
edits,
and
we
that's
where
we
need
more
conversation
to
me.
A
charter
changes
is
a
broad
enabling
legislation
and
then-
and
if
this
chart
of
change
said
yes,
we
need
more
oversight.
E
I
could
be
supportive,
but
it's
very
specific
and
doesn't
give
us
a
lot
of
latitude
to
to
have
a
conversations
that
we
need
about
each
of
the
aspect
of
it.
It's
very
different
than
many
of
the
charter
changes
that
we
have
passed
and
again
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
2000
signatures
were
gotten
but
I
mean
I
I've
spoken
with
hundreds
of
people,
I
mean
if
you
take
the
2000
divided
by
eight,
that's
250
people
more
or
less
in
each
Ward.
My
ward
does
not
seem
to
have
felt
engaged.
E
I've
I've
talked
to
the
residents
of
affordable
housing.
Neighborhood
I
just
had
a
neighborhood
a
meeting,
because
some
of
my
neighbors,
who
are
pretty
well
educated,
didn't
understand
what
what
it
meant
and
I
I
just
think.
There
is
more
work
to
do
and
we
need
to
get
it
right
in
terms
of
the
specific
specificity.
A
R
AP
AQ
This
particular
resolution
I
don't
think
that
the
2000
people
who
signed
the
petition
actually
read
the
six-page
resolution.
They
went
on
trust
from
what
they
were
told
about.
The
resolution
and
I
have
specific
concerns
about
this.
That
I
want
to
raise
I
I
should
say
rather
when
they,
when
they
signed
for
the
charter
change,
so
the
the
board
shall
be
an
independent
Department
of
the
city
with
an
investigative
office
and
a
paid
board.
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
This
shall,
to
the
extent
possible,
include
members
who
are
black,
indigenous
or
other
people
of
color
I'm.
Fine
with
that
I
support
affirmative
action,
but
it
goes
on
to
say
members
who
have
lived
experience
with
houselessness
mental
health
conditions,
sex
work,
domestic
violence,
substance
use,
disorder
and
or
arrests
or
conviction
records,
while
at
the
same
time
Banning
anybody
who
has
ever
worked
for
any
law
enforcement
agency
ever
this
is
not
a
board
that
has
the
skills
that
are
necessary
for
oversight.
AQ
AQ
So,
in
short,
I
think
that
the
title
of
this
and
the
concept
is
good,
that
there
should
be
that
we
should
be
looking
at
the
oversight
of
our
police
department
and
we
should
be
open
to
changes,
but
I
do
not
support
the
specific
changes
that
are
being
offered
on
our
ballot
item
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
councilor
Travers
has
put
in
to
offer
this
alternative.
Thank
you.
H
Well
perhaps
if
we
had
a
different
resolution,
we
would
be
debating
the
merits
of
The
Proposal,
although
I
don't
really
think
that
would
be
a
wise
use
of
our
time
and
the
debate
that
or
the
panel
we
had
in
Ward
four
and
seven
NPA,
where
I
and
Mark
participated
in
maybe
a
a
more
appropriate
way
of
doing
that
than
this.
This
process,
because
this
resolution
deals
with
process
right,
it
doesn't
deal
with
the
particulars
of
oversight.
H
You
know
the
state
statute
governs
this.
It
says
so
right
here
in
the
resolution
and
that
state
statute
stops
the
city
council
from
changing
petitions
brought
by
by
voters,
and
it
exists
for
a
reason.
A
basic
Democratic
reason
that
the
people
have
the
right
to
speak
about
their
own
governance
and
they
need
they
have
the
right
to
do
that,
unmediated
by
or
filtered
by
local
politicians.
H
H
H
So
there
is
that
room
yeah
we
don't
really
like
it,
but
where
we
have
not
done
a
full
and
complete
job,
they
changed
that
they
did
that
with
ranked
Choice
voting
last
year,
and
we
made
the
change
this
year
for
this
current
one
to
reflect
that
we
often
have
that
process
happen
and
the
time
that
that
is
going
to
take.
This
fear
that
maybe
this
is
a
whole
year
right.
It
could
take
a
really
long
time.
I
mean
that
time.
If
it's
done
right
can
be
good.
It's
not
a
waste.
H
It's
it's
also
insulting
I
think
because
this
Administration
has
had
two
years
to
push
forward
an
oversight
transformation,
two
years
that
they
had
to
put
forth
the
transformation
that
this
very
resolution
says
that
we
need-
and
it
hasn't
and
by
goodness
truth
be
told
when
this
Administration
wants
something.
It
knows
how
to
get
it.
H
Almost
all
of
us
were
here
to
hear
the
police
commission
report.
There
are
examples
in
there
of
that
Dynamic
tension,
it's
just
not
so
yeah.
There
are
things
that
have
been
done,
but
they
don't
come
close
to
the
transformation
that
needs
to
be
done,
particularly
outrageous.
This
resolution,
particularly
outrageous
that
the
blame
for
the
inaction
is
placed
on
the
very
residents
who
petitioned
to
make
oversight
a
priority.
H
The
blame
for
inaction.
To
be
blunt-
and
you
know
me
to
be
blunt-
is
lame.
The
blame
for
inaction
is
lame
and
again
it
blames
residents
who
demand
that
we
act
for
this
administration's
an
hour
in
action.
It's
similar
to
blaming
the
residents
who
gathered
and
signed
the
petitions
over
2
000
of
them
another
premise
that
this
ballot
I
this
ballot
item
runs
counter
to
the
consensus
that
we
have
built.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
it's
another
premise
and
I
just
want
to
say:
I
I
did
collect
some
signatures.
H
H
H
I
find
the
reasons
to
oppose
the
community
control
initiative
to
have
been
weak,
to
be
weak
and
to
be
non-compelling
and
I
have
found
prior
opposition
statements
to
be
untrue
and
unfair,
and
because
I
support
community
control
of
the
police
and
this
proposal
I
cannot
approve
approve
of
this
resolution
and
because
it
presupposes
that
the
people
will
defeat,
it
will
defeat
that
measure.
I
cannot
support
it.
I
just
want
to
make
it's
a
somewhat
of
a
long
last
Point
here.
H
H
H
H
H
A
B
Thank
you,
president.
Paul
I
just
want
to
concur
with
the
statements
made
by
councilor,
Travers,
Carpenter
and
Shannon
I
agree
with
everything
each
of
them
said,
but
I
wanted
to
add
one
additional
point
that
has
hasn't
been
mentioned
yet
tonight
we've
spent
much
of
the
last
two
years
that
I've
been
on
the
council
taking
measures
to
rebuild
a
police
department.
That's
that's
had
a
severe
attrition
problem.
B
Among
those
things
were
the
approval
of
retention
and
incentive
bonuses,
the
negotiation
of
a
contract
that
was
very
competitive,
along
with
salaries
that
were
very
competitive,
Statewide
with
other
law
enforcement
agencies,
and
we
and
we
were
able
to
re-establish
a
cap
that
was
in
line
with
the
CNA
recommendations
and
raised
that
back
up
to
87.
and
one
of
my
concerns
and
the
concerns
of
constituents
I've
talked
to
is
that
this
particular
oversight
proposal
and
I
do
agree.
We
need
to
have
additional
civilian
oversight
of
the
police.
B
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
a
basic,
a
basic
choice
that
they
would
have
to
make
and
they
and
I
I
believe
that
they
would
they
would
not
choose
to
come
to
Burlington
so
that
that's
a
concern.
I
have
I
I,
think
that
we,
if
we
take
more
time
and
we
work
on
a
better
proposal
that
is
in
line
with
some
of
our
other
goals,
to
rebuild
the
Burlington
Police
Department
we'd,
be
well
served.
Thank
you.
A
A
C
Did
President
Paul?
Thank
you
thanks,
so
I
think
councilor
Bergman
I
have
some
fundamental
disagreements
about
where
we
should
go
on
policy
here,
but
I
I
do
agree
with
the
the
notion
that
in
some
ways
it
would
be
better
to
be
debating
the
merits
of
the
the
Charter
exchange
proposal
that
is
going
to
voters
that
this
proposal
on
the
merits
is
indefensible.
AI
C
Undermines
fundamental
due
process
rights
that
we
provide
to
all
all
other
city
employees
and
would
be
stripped
away
here
it
is.
It
is
stunning
that
counselors
would
be
supporting
a
language
that
would
leave
completely
up
to
an
unelected
board
that
we
have
no
oversight
over
the
ability
to
set
a
budget
and
to
have
no
Clarity
about
what
kind
of
limitations
the
this
the
council,
the
mayor,
could
have
more
the
public
in
any
way
could
have
over
it.
C
The
idea
that
we
should
count
on
Montpelier
to
fix
all
these
issues,
which
are
basically
acknowledged
is
is,
is
stunning.
We
you
know
we
don't
we
don't
do
that
in
any
other
manner.
We,
you
know,
let's,
let's
look
at
what
Montpelier
has
done
to
the
Charter
changes
we
sent
them
with
respect
to
gun,
gun
violence,
restrictions.
We
don't.
C
But
you
know
nonetheless
I
while
I
would
have
welcomed
a
different
kind
of
resolution.
I
do
welcome
this.
One
I
think
it
has
been
frequently
noted
tonight
that
the
council
supported
this
kind
of
Charter
change.
Seven
to
five.
A
couple
years
ago,
New
Year's
has
passed
and
there
has
been
a
Reckoning
with
public
safety
issues
in
this
community
and
I.
C
Think
what
we're
going
to
see
tonight
is
that
there
is
a
majority
of
this
Council
that
no
longer
is
willing
to
support
this
language
and
that's
important
thing
for
Burlington
voters
to
know
as
they
as
they
head
to
The
Ballot
Box,
and
they
are
going
to
get
a
chance
to
weigh
in
here
I.
Think
some
there's
some
suggestion
that
that
somehow
the
council
is
going
to
take
action
tonight.
That
would
keep
voters
from
weighing
in
that
is
not
within
our
purview
and
that's
not
going
to
happen,
but
I
do
think.
C
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
major
debate
and
I
think
the
resolution
is
acknowledges
that
this
may
not
happen.
But
if,
if
it
is
defeated
on
town
meeting
day,
I
welcome
the
action
laid
out
here.
That
would
have
us
once
again
try
to
see
if
we
can
come
to
consensus
on
new
items
that
are
taken.
I.
Think
when
we
do
that
process,
something
that
I
think
has
been
a
little
bit
lost
in
the
debate
tonight
is
that
it
is.
C
There
has
been
a
codification
of
you
know,
I,
you
know
it's
probably
not
worth
going
through
through
all
them.
It
is
not.
It
is
not,
but
we
have
changed
our
use
of
force
policies.
We
have
greatly
empowered
the
and
codified
the
ability
of
the
police
commission
to
review
every
use
of
force
incident
and
every
complaint
we've
appropriated
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
the
police
commission
to
perform
perform
that
task.
C
We
have
ensured
that
within
the
administration
by
executive
order,
there's
substantially
more
review
and
input
given
to
the
chief
by
the
senior
members
of
the
administration
before
the
chief
makes
a
ruling
on
a
discipline
issue
of
major
public
interest.
Even
in
recent
weeks,
we've
made
good
on
transparency
and
accountability
issues
in
a
new
way.
By
being
able
to
implement
new
body,
cam
camera
footage
policies
and
on
and
on
there
has
been
a
great
deal
of
attention.
There
is
commitment
to
continuing
that
work.
C
Let's
not
forget
I
hope
we
don't
forget
how
we've
all
committed
to
take
on
the
long
list
of
police
reforms,
some
of
which
deal
with
oversight
that
were
laid
out
in
the
CNA
report,
and
we
are
there's
been
a
lot
of
methodical
work
by
counselors
Commissioners
and
the
administration
to
move
that
forward.
So
I
welcome
a
process
that
reviews
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
and
debates
whether
further
action
is
needed
here.
I
stand
by
those
comments
that
were
read
back
earlier
here.
I
I
would
continue
to
support
some
change
to
the
Charter.
C
Ultimately,
if
there
was
a
consensus
that
developed
here,
I
did
give
this
Council
a
charter,
a
full,
fully
comprehensive
Charter
change
that
would
have
codified
some
strengthening
to
the
police
commission
and
in
the
spring
of
21
after
the
veto
encouraged
us
to
return
to
that
went
to
several
meetings
with
my
Progressive
counselors
encouraged
us.
My
Progressive
colleagues
encouraged
us
to
see.
If
we
can
move
towards
consensus
there,
there
was
no.
There
was
no
willingness
to
move
forward
with
that.
C
I
think
part
of
that
was
there
was
this
petitions
were
already
being
collected,
and
there
was
this
outstanding
sense
that
it
may
still
be
possible
to
put
forward
through
this
community
control
board,
so
we're
gonna
know
once
and
for
all
I
think
on
town
meeting
today,
where
the
people
of
Burlington
stand
on
that.
If
that
is
taken
off
the
table
by
the
police,
people
of
Burlington
I
will
welcome
the
process
laid
out
here
in
this
Charter
change
and
in
this
resolution
to
sit
down
and
search
for
consensus
and
something
we
can
get
done
together.
AR
So
the
people
of
Burlington
have
already
made
history
already
by
securing
over
2
000
signatures
from
legal
registered
voters
in
the
City
of
Burlington,
basically
Gathering
feedback
and
answering
questions
about
the
community
oversight
of
the
BPD.
This
is
history,
as
it
will
allow
the
city
council
process
to
bring
such
measure
to
the
voters
like
they
say.
The
second
time
is
charm.
Basically,
this
is
not
new.
AR
Talking
to
my
colleagues,
it
is
very
clear
that
everyone
here,
including
the
mayor,
wants
some
level
of
oversight.
Everyone
wants.
It
I
mean
it.
It's
been
very
clear.
This
is
basically
a
high
level
of
community
engagement
for
those
who
are
like.
Oh,
we
do
not
have
a
community
input.
I,
don't
think.
That's
that's
accurate.
AR
AR
So
these
efforts
have
checked
all
the
benchmarks,
all
the
benchmarks,
about
Community
engagement
from
Gathering
inputs
to
giving
people
even
choices
and
also
demonstrating
leadership
in
decision
making
processes
all
the
three
elements,
inputs,
choices
and
decision
makers.
This
is
for
the
people
of
this
city.
No
one
should
take
it
down
or
no
one
should
take
to
alleviate
it
or
no
one
can
even
interfere
by
bringing
a
resolution
to
say
this
is
for
the
city
council.
We
need
to
move
out
and
allow
the
process
to
unfold.
AR
Having
discussion
also
with
all
of
us,
we
all
want
it
but
I.
What
I
cannot
understand.
I
think
Mr
Mayor
is
this
is
your
code.
This
is
a
quote
from
you
like
in
2020,
December
31st,
the
mayor
of
the
City
of
Burlington,
Mira
Weinberger,
said
quote:
I
believe
I
was
the
first
Burlington
elected
official
to
bring
attention
and
concerns
a
year
ago
to
near
absolute
power
of
the
chief
to
impose
discipline
under
our
current
system.
AR
He
continued
to
say
such
Monopoly
of
important
Authority
is
an
aberration
of
our
democratic
system.
It
has
contributed
significantly
to
community
distrust
and
we
are
likely
to
face
continued
disputes
over
future
disciplinary
action.
Until
this
issue
is
addressed,
what
we
fail
to
do,
burlingtonian
did
it.
AR
AR
We've
been
we've
been
waiting
burlingtonian.
If
you
are
really
serious
to
address
this,
dividing
the
trust
divide,
the
gap
between
the
Burlington
Police
Department
and
the
police.
We
have
been
serious
of
eradicating
the
democratic
system.
You
have
been
very
serious
about
eradicating
the
aberration
of
our
democratic
system,.
AR
You
know
even
sometimes
that
the
the
staff
of
of
the
mayor
actually
reaching
out
to
bipark
organization
and
asking
them
basically
to
sign
on
to
the
letter
that
will
defeat.
The
ballot
item
is
highly
highly
problematic.
I
think
we
have
a
deep
problem
in
this
city
that
is
even
scary.
Now
this
is
really
really
scary.
AR
AR
AR
AR
I
am
not
a
realtor,
nor
am
I
like
a
Republican
or
independent
I
am
just
a
democratic
city.
Council
I
have
no
I'm
not
gaining.
Basically
any
I
have
no
profit,
nothing.
What
I
want
is
just
to
participate
in
the
well-being
of
everyone,
and
this
Burlington
Police
Department
needs
an
independent
Community
oversight
provide
disciplinary
when
it's
needed.
AR
A
So
emotion
has
been
made
to
postpone
this
item
to
the
second
meeting
in
April.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion?
Second
seconded
by
councilor
McGee,
we'll
talk
about
the
motion
in
front
of
us?
It's
actually
an
amendment.
Well,
it's
actually
a
motion.
Are
there?
Are
there
counselors
who
wish
to
speak
to
the
motion
and
we'll
come
back
to
the
queue
for
the
for
the
for
the
other.
I
At
any
point,
in
the
past
two
years,
the
administration
could
have
chosen
to
lead
on
this
issue
as
the
primary
Steward
of
the
city's
resources.
The
mayor
could
have
made
this
a
priority,
however,
like
with
so
many
other
transformation
efforts,
we
have
heard
plenty
of
words
and
we
have
seen
little
action
and
Mr
Mayor
you
and
the
acting
Chief
have
attacked
the
police.
Commission,
in
their
their
role
as
an
oversight
body,
what
message
does
that
send
to
our
community
when
you're
saying
and
touting
the
changes
we
have
made
as
signs
of
progress?
I
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
my
apologies
again
for
interrupting
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
staying
on
the
motion.
Are
there
any
other
counselors
who
wish
to
speak
to
the
motion
to
postpone
and
also
councilor
Shannon
and
counselor
Hightower?
We
are.
We
are
following
the
the
screen.
If
either
of
you
wish
to
speak
to
the
motion
to
postpone
Council
counselor
Freeman.
AS
AS
A
F
Thank
you,
president.
Paul
I
appreciate
the
comments
made
by
all
the
colleagues.
Yours
included,
Council
Jang,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
motion
forward
in
large
part
because
it
it
signals
to
me
a
willingness,
as
we've
been
discussing
here,
for
us
to
continue
to
come
back
to
this
matter.
Even
after
a
town
meeting
day.
F
That
said,
I
I
disagree
with
folks
who
have
characterized
it
as
as
inappropriate
for
the
city
council
to
weigh
in
as
set
forth
in
the
resolution.
I
think
that
it's
been
important
that
we
have
this
discussion
this
evening.
To
me,
the
most
important
part
of
this
resolution
is
committing
to
voters
if
we
are
to
vote
in
favor
of
it.
What
it
commits
to
voters
is
that
whatever
happens
with
a
resolution
on
town
meeting
day,
there
is
a
path
forward
for
us
to
continue
to
discuss
police
oversight
and
accountability.
F
A
You
councilor
Travers,
acting
City
attorney
Sturdivant
I
have
a
question
for
you:
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
are
going
into
the
second
meeting
in
April,
that
is
the
that
is,
after
the
start
of
a
new
Council
year.
If
we
make
a
motion
to
postpone
to
Beyond
March
31st
are
we
then
binding
a
future
Council?
And
if
so,
are
we
able
to
do
that.
AT
A
D
X
H
AU
A
E
AR
U
AT
I
AV
A
A
AV
H
I
A
A
D
AS
Thank
you,
President
Obama,
so
I
wanted
to
speak
to
a
few
points
brought
up
in
the
resolution.
I
think,
first
to
the
matter
of
more
public
input,
which
is
big
and
bold
in
the
title
like
what
like
I
just,
don't
it's,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
it's
sort
of
a
nonsensical
I.
Think
red
herring
approach
to
distract
from
the
issue
at
hand.
AS
I
think
it's
clear
given
so
much
input
from
the
community
tonight
and
from
the
years
preceding
this
that
there
has
been
an
abundance
of
community
input.
I
understand
if
you
want
more
input,
but
more
specifically
the
input
that
reinforces
the
position
that
you
hold,
but
that
is
really
just
a
red
herring.
It
distracts
from
the
fact
that
this
issue
has
come
before
us
because
a
community
has
petitioned
for
it,
it's
perfectly
legitimate
for
them
to
vote
on
it.
We
should
allow
it
to
go
to
the
voters.
It's
just
a
it.
AS
AO
AS
I
really
have
no
idea
why
we
believe
that's
a
better
system
like
just
two
people,
I
think
it's
really
strange
given
how,
over
and
over
again
the
fact
that
the
proposed
board
does
not
have
is
not
written
to
include
members
who
have
law
enforcement.
Experience
has
been
brought
up
as
an
argument
against
the
proposed
board.
Why
adding
a
mayor
who
ostensibly,
is
not
required
to
have
law
enforcement
experience
legitimizes
that
argument
for
those
who've
opposed
the
board.
AS
I
think
it's
a
throwaway
point
to
distract
from
the
fact
that
the
culture
of
policing
as
we
have
it,
basically
promotes
this
blue
wall
of
Silence
culture,
which
is
that
it's
sort
of
an
unofficial
agreement
that
law
enforcement
officers
are
not
going
to
challenge
each
other's
misconduct
and
I.
Think
that
we
are
asked
by
the
sort
of
political
pressures
of
like
the
power
of
police
and
police
unions
to
be
complicit
in
that
culture
and
I.
AS
That'll
that
create
that
culture
of
complicity
to
misconduct,
to
a
lack
of
professionalism
and
to
a
lack
of
high
standard
in
what
is
essentially
a
public
service
and
good
I.
Think
that,
in
my
attempt
to
explain
that
it
got
a
little
round
about,
but
if
there
isn't
a
legitimate
counter
proposal-
and
we
know
that
Nicole,
the
National
Association
for
Community
oversight
of
law
enforcement
has
determined
that,
within
our
current
system
of
policing,
that
independent
oversight
is
a
must.
What
is
your
alternative.
AS
I'm
not
done
but
I,
see,
I,
know
you're
at
your
last.
Thank
you
because
there
just
isn't
a
counter
proposal,
and
so
we
have
this
proposal.
That's
been
made.
That
is
untested
because
it
is
I,
don't
know,
I
think
other
other
people
if
they
wanted
to,
could
call
it
Innovative
and
creative.
But
we've
chosen
to
call
it
in
this
resolution
just
untested
that
there's
just
no
there's
not
to
me.
AS
AS
AS
A
C
Thank
you,
president
Paul
try
to
be
brief.
I
appreciate
councilor
Freeman
candidate
acknowledgment
that
The
Proposal
before
the
voters
is
accept
the
notion
untested
that
you
know
many
of
the
there
have
been
Advocate
statements
that
have
suggested
that
it
is
based
on
other
precedent,
I
think
and
we've
been
trying
to
look
very
carefully
at
it
and
I
appreciate
you
kind
of
confirming
the
conclusion
that
this
really
is
very
different
than
anything
anyone
else
in
the
country
has
and
I
I
I.
C
C
Community
has
done,
and
just
kind
of
hoping
that
there
are
not
going
to
be
negative
unattended
consequences
of
this,
that
just
sort
of
hoping
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
be
able
to
field
an
effective
professional
one
of
the
best
police
departments
in
the
in
the
country
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
that
if
we
subject
it
to
this
kind
of
untested
to
use
your
term
oversight,
I
do
have
to
disagree
with
the
statement.
That
is,
that
and
I
think,
maybe
a
real
surprisingly
to
Me
Maybe
real
misunderstanding
that
Alternatives
haven't
been
offered.
C
The
you
know
again
in
December
of
2020,
the
City
attorney
and
I
came
forward
with
a
a
comprehensive
rewrite
of
of
the
charter
that
it
did
actually
change
the
way
the
mayor
can
provide
oversight
to
the
police
chief
within
the
administration,
because
I
do
find
it
unusual,
unique
within
our
Charter
that
that
is
not
that
there
is
that
kind
of
wall.
That
protection
of
the
police
chief
I
think
is,
is
strange
and
I
still
would
support
changing
it.
But
the
more
significant
changes
in
that
Charter
change
were
to
codify
and
strengthen
the
the
police.
Commission.
C
Give
the
commission
explicit
Charter
authority
to
review
decisions
made
by
the
police
chief
and
to
to
require
that
input
to
be
heard
before
decision
is
made
and
for
a
super
majority
to
over
rule
the
police
chief
when
necessary.
To
me,
that
is
a
direction
that
I
supported
then
I
would
continue
to
support
it.
Supported
in
the
spring
of
21
would
continue
to
support
that
I
think
it's.
C
We
have
invested
heavily
in
trying
to
to
make
the
police
commission
a
more
effective
oversight
body
since
2016,
and
this
that
that
would
be
a
consistent
continuation
of
that
of
that
effort.
Since
there
has
been
no
interest
in
the
council
in
pushing
that
forward,
we
have
pursued
the
other
alternative
quite
vigorously,
which
is
to
work
within
the
within
our
existing
Charter
to
make
changes
to
the
the
way
in
which
again,
the
police
commission
functions
and
the
authorities
they
have.
It
is
not
as
strong
as
it
would
be.
C
A
AU
AU
AU
A
AR
AR
AT
AR
Maybe
another
2000
is
what's
needed
and
I
think
that,
where
the
work
need
to
need
to
happen
and
I
just
wanted
to
also
say
the
last
thing
about
this
resolution,
as
well
as
an
elected
official
of
color,
with
experience
first-hand
experience,
second-hand
experience
and
many
stories
compelling
stories.
Actually,
this
community
about
policing.
AR
It's
clear
that
this
Burlington
Police
Department
need
to
work
for
every
single
one
of
us
recently
when
we
failed
to
take
action
at
least
three
or
four
people
of
color
youth
of
color
died
in
the
city
where
they
could
have
been.
Some
cases
could
have
been
prevented
and
supported.
So
basically,
a
lot
of
hopes
lost
families
are
devastated
and
there
are
countless
amount
of
stories
that
many
of
us
have
not
yet
heard.
AR
A
F
F
I
have
been
assuming
in
my
time
on
the
council,
perhaps
mistakenly,
that
as
we've
been
taking
steps
on
those
recommendations,
including
on
some
really
great
transformative
movement,
including
the
Cahoots
model,
which
Council
Freeman,
you
wrote
a
great
deal
of
credit
for
moving
on
that.
So
thank
you.
F
The
ballot
initiative
here
mind
you
we
haven't
talked
about
it
here,
actually
is
not
in
alignment
with
those
CNA
recommendations,
but
I
I've
been
assuming,
perhaps
mistakenly,
that
there
would
be
some
movement
on
that.
Clearly,
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
which
is
a
wake-up
call
to
me,
that
we
need
to
take
steps
more
as
a
council
to
make
it
clear
that
we
are
going
to
make
movement
on
this
issue
now.
I,
don't
want
the
question
of.
What's
the
alternative
to
go
unanswered,
there
are
communities
out
there,
sorry
well
I'm
about
to.
F
So
there
are
communities
out
there
that
have
hired
a
professional,
independent,
monitor.
There
are
communities
out
there
that
have
stood
up
a
community
board
that
has
more
role
in
the
hiring
of
their
police
chief.
There
are
communities
out
there
that
have
stood
up
Community
bodies
that
have
robust
investigatory
powers
that
make
strong
recommendations
on
discipline
where
to
deal
with
historical
issues
around
the
blue
wall
of
Silence.
If
the
chief
of
police
disagrees
with
those
recommendations,
they
have
to
be
transparent
and
explain
their
reasoning
as
to
why
they
disagree
with
those
recommendations.
F
The
way
we
need
to
do
this
is
to
set
up
a
process
for
our
committees
to
consider
what's
working
in
other
communities
what's
been
proposed
for
here
and
to
come
forward
with
a
matter
that
can
gain
broader
Community,
Support.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
proceeding
with
this
resolution
and-
and
there
are
models
out
there-
that
I'm
more
than
open
to
considering.
H
We've
we've
gotten
ourselves
into
the
debate
about
the
models
themselves.
It's
inaccurate
to
say
that
this
is
that
nobody
does
anything
like
this
lots
of
communities.
Do
lots
of
pieces
like
this.
There
is
New
York
City.
There
is
a
way
for
a
board,
an
appeal
board
to
actually
meet
out
discipline
that
is
not
done
by
the
chief
Oakland
has
something
similar.
H
San
Francisco
has
something
similar
they're,
not
the
same
Nicole
I
respect
people
on
the
other
side
of
my
position
have
articulated
respect
for
that
they
say
that
a
best
fit
not
a
best
practice.
Not
a
cookie
cutter
is
what
is
needed
by
a
community,
and
so
when
we
were
looking
at
this
in
the
charter
change
committee,
that's
what
was
being
done.
That
is
what
this
group
did.
It
is
not
a
cookie
cutter.
H
It
is
not
good
for
our
community
to
be
looking
for
Cookie
Cutters,
so
best
practices
is
not
necessarily
the
thing
that
we're
supposed
to
import
to
make
ourselves
safer.
It
is
not
a
unique
experiment
right,
it
is
looking
at
what
we
need
and
then
building
it.
You
know
we
would
not
have
the
community
Land
Trust.
H
The
best
way
to
defeat
and
oversight
system
is
to
starve
it
of
resources,
in
fact-
and
it
was
shared
with
you
when
the
council
debated
and
ended
up
passing
seven
to
five
the
original
thing,
a
statement
by
lyanna
Perez
of
of
Nicole,
who
said
that
you
needed
to
make
sure
that
the
funding
was
there,
because
if
you
do
not
do
it,
you
will
have,
it
will
be
stillborn
now
she
didn't
use
those
terms,
but
it
will.
It
will
not
be
effective.
You
want
to
do
something
in
name
and
not
in
substance.
H
H
Let
me
see
if
I've
lost
my
thought
in
that
last
thing.
I
might
have
done
that
it's
too
bad,
because
it
was
a
good
thought
all
right,
you're
saved,
because
I
can't
get
it
back,
but
we'll
we'll
have
a
debate.
It'd
be
good
to
have
a
debate
on
the
details,
because
things
like
saying:
there's
no
due
processor
just
factually
wrong
and
it's
insulting
to
say
that
you
might
disagree
with
it.
H
You
might
play
with
the
words
with
it
and
say
it
while
it's
outside
of
the
the
city's
group
process
internal
process,
it's
a
nice
sleight
of
hand.
I
know
as
little
lawyers
in
the
you
know
in
a
politician
how
to
write
with
sleight
of
hand,
but
it's
dishonest
to
say
that
there
is
no
due
process.
There
is
full
due
process
on
one.
This
is
the
point
that
I
was
going
to
make
the
city
council
itself
under
this
result.
Under
this
proposal,
has
the
power
in
fact
has
the
the
sole
authority
to
actually
adopt
the
rules?
H
So
if
you
look
at
what
is
proposed
in
The
Proposal,
you
will
see
the
existing
language
that
we
are
using
right
now
for
the
violations
that
do
the
just
cause
and
you're.
You
will
see
the
due
process
that
we
have
right
there
and
it's
filled
in
right.
The
gaps
are
filled
in
they're
filled
in
by
contract
when
they're
not
talked
they're
filled
in
by
roles
and
regulations.
H
H
You
look
at
the
structure
of
this
proposal.
It
is
for
big
things
like
the
use
of
force
excessive
force.
You
look
at
the
list
of
violations.
It
is
exactly
what
we've
got
here
right
now.
That's
why
we
did
it.
It's
nothing
stunning
about
that!
Didn't
come
from
Mars!
It
comes
from
the
Burlington
Charter
that
we've
got
right
now.
H
You've
got
due
process.
You've
got
the
right
to
appeal
to
a
court,
somebody
who
doesn't
give
a
darn
about
the
City
of
Burlington,
just
looking
for
Justice
right
if
a
person
feels
aggrieved
by
the
board's
decision.
But
you
know
what,
if
the
chief's
decision
is
going
to
be
meted
out,
that
whole
process
still
has
the
grievance
procedure
because
it
doesn't
exempt
that
and
we
can
make
that
so
because
we
get
to
set
the
rules
because
the
because
it
says
so
right
in
that
Charter
change.
H
So
the
arguments
against
this
I
mean
there
can
be
honest
disagreements
about
it.
But
it's
just
not
fair
to
be
saying
things
like
it
does.
It
lacks
basic
protections
to
ensure
fairness
and
due
process
people
have
the
right
to
a
hearing.
They
have
a
right
to
have
just
cause
proved
and
they
have
the
right
to
appeal
that
so
I
I
I'm,
sorry,
I
I,
listened
for
a
long
time
to
all
the
details
on
this
and
they're.
H
A
A
D
A
E
Thanks
I'll
try
to
be
quick,
Council
Burke
when
I
appreciate
your
analogy
to
the
Community
Land
Trust,
which
I
was
a
founder
of
it's
and
it
was
untested.
Its
success
was.
We
were
able
to
change
it
as
it
went
along
adapt
to
what
we
needed
to
do.
My
concern
about
this
Charter
language
is
even
though
it
allows
us
to
write
rules.
It
is
a
model
that
starts
with
a
premise
that
is
not
very
flexible,
and
that
is
at
the
whim
of
having
the
legislature
edit.
E
A
C
Thank
you,
president
Paul
I
didn't
intend
to
speak
again,
but
a
feeling
must,
after
it
being
suggested
that
somehow
there's
some
dishonesty
from
this
side
of
the
table
I
think
this
disagreement.
I
did
disagreement
a
different
take
on
on
the
facts
this
is
but
to
be,
but
for
to
be
for
our
my
opinion
for
opinion
of
administration,
the
opinion
of
many
other
organizations
and
counselors
have
come
forward
to
be
suggested.
There's
some
dishonesty
there
I
don't
appreciate
the
the
concerns
about
due
process
due
Pro.
C
The
concerns
about
due
process
have
most
clearly
been
articulated
by
members
of
Burlington's
unions,
who
don't
who
for
whom?
It
is
not
a
trivial
matter
whether
or
not
you
need
to
go
to
Superior
Court
to
get
some
kind
of
appeal.
We
have.
That
is
very
different
and,
as
you
well
know,
between
the
that
is
not
some
trivial
sleight
of
hand.
That
is
a
fundamentally
different
kind
of
appeal
right
to
have
to
go
to
Superior
Court,
to
appeal
a
decision.
Members
of
our
unions
do
not
appreciate
that
they
could
be
that
we
there
is.
C
It
does
not
feel
consistent
with
our
principles
of
due
process
for
their
suddenly
in
this
Charter
language
to
be
the
ability
for
employees
to
be
disciplined
for
up
to
two
weeks
without
findings
of
fact,
and
without
the
ability
to
grieve.
These
are
not
trivial
due
process
matters,
so
I
would
welcome
councilor
Bergman.
You
know
it
would.
AQ
A
T
AS
AS
I
I
can't
ballpark
it,
but
I
certainly
think
it's
a
it's
a
reasonable
question.
It's
just
not
and
it's
a
great
question.
It's
just
not
one
that
I
have
at
the
top
of
my
mind
at
the
moment,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
go
back.
Look
through
my
notes
and
and
and
sort
of
figure
it
out
and
give
a
ballpark.
So
I
apologize
for
not.
AS
A
All
set,
thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
Counselor
Shannon
does
not
appear
that
there
is
anyone
remaining
in
the
queue
to
speak.
We
are.
We
are.
We
have
a
motion
on
the
underlying
resolution
that
is
to
waive
the
reading
and
adopt
the
resolution,
seeing
no
other
counselors
in
the
queue
we
will
go
to
a
vote
and,
as
there
are
two
participating
by
Zoom,
we
will
go
to
a
roll
call
vote
Lori.
If
you
could
call
the
role
for
us
and
remember
a
yes
vote
is
to
adopt.
A
B
AP
I
H
A
A
The
motion
passes
six
to
five.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
I'll
ask
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
from
counselor
Zhang
seconded
by
councilor
Bergman,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
adjourn.
Please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
We
are
adjourned
at
10
42
and
we
will
see
you
at
our
next
meeting,
which
is
on
February.
21St
have
a
good
evening.