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From YouTube: Essex Junction City Council - 1/25/2023
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Health Officer Applicant 00:02:17
Green Mountain Transit Service Changes 00:15:39
Wastewater Capital Plan Modification 00:32:56
FY24 Enterprise Budgets 00:40:27
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I
think
we're
owning
the
fact
that
we
have
to
reimagine
this
so
I'm
with
all
that
in
mind,
do
you
have
any
ideas
on
in
that
realm
of
what
you
can
do
a
little
more
proactively
with
the
community
or
and
it's
okay
to
say
no,
this
is
going
to
be
hourly
as
needed.
You
know,
I
think
we
all
get
with
this.
What
the
setup
is.
E
E
A
If
you
can
get
ahead
of
any
kind
of
issues,
that's
always
ideal.
I
would
rather
do
that
in
any
one
of
my
jobs,
anticipate
the
problem,
get
there
and
pet
it
off,
because
otherwise
it
just
didn't
take
up
so
much
more
time.
Hopefully
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
being
proactive
in
this
position
would
really
look
like
just
you
know,
I've
certainly
looked
over
the
BHO
materials.
E
A
D
C
A
F
F
E
F
Would
be
very
helpful
to
us.
Moving
forward
is
having
a
good
tracking
system
to
better
understand
that
and
to
understand
the
amount
of
time
the
types
of
issues
and
just
having
a
good
feedback
loop
from
the
the
health
officer
and
this
board,
especially
since
from
the
my
understanding
of
Statute,
is
our
board
and
the
health
officer
would
operate
as
the
the
towns
Board
of
Health.
If
I
have
that
right.
G
F
Yeah,
that
would
be
great,
and
this
is
full
transparency
as
a
independent
city.
Now,
for
the
first
time
of
our
existence,
it's
the
first
time
we've
had
our
own
health
officer,
which
historically
just
had
been
underneath
the
town,
so
they
just
dealt
with
it
and
our
board
had
never
doubled
these
issues.
So
for
us,
we're
also
learning
this
as
we
go.
D
H
That's
still
the
idea-
and
we
probably
want
to
and
I
think
the
select
board
has
suggested
that
we
just
memorialize
that
in
some
way
in
mou
but
yeah,
both
so
the
town,
Health
officer,
would
essentially
at
the
city's
Deputy
Health
officer
and
our
health
officer.
We
have
access
to.
The
attempts,
definitely
help
us.
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F
I
Sure,
no,
that's
that's
very
fair.
There
is
a
board
member,
it's
it's
painful!
When
you
have
to
go
against
your
mission
and
actually
cut
service,
you
know
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
answer,
but
when
you
look
at
the
finances
from
time
to
time
there
are
things
you
can
do
and
things
you
can't
do
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
couldn't,
we
couldn't
reduce
staff
and
about
the
only
thing
we
could
really
do
would
be
reduce
some
service.
I
It's
a
huge
employer
and
the
chances
are
that
if
we
can
work
it
out,
that
might
result
in
quite
a
few
more
Riders,
which
is
which
the
goal
we
always
have
the
complications
for
making
a
change
like
this
there's
a
there's
one
is
there's
a
there's,
a
Time
issue.
The
the
map
and
guide
come
out
periodically
through
the
year.
The
next
time
this
won't
come
out
would
be
June.
So
if
the
changes
were
made,
it
would
be
in
time
to
get
that
in
the
mapping
guide
or
for
June.
So
that's
one
issue.
I
The
other
issue
obviously
is
looking
at.
Can
you
supply
the
service?
Can
you
supply
a
bus?
Can
you
supply
a
driver?
Can
you
switch
some
of
the
timing
of
when
the
bus
would
be
would
be
going
to
the
medical
center
and
better
align
with
with
the
with
the
when
the
staff
staff
changes
occur,
so
those
are
all
things
that
planning
is
looking
at
now.
I
I
have
no
idea
how
to
come
out.
I
would
hope
that
we
could
find
some
new
writers
what
we'd
like
to
do,
but
all
those
things
have
to
to
align
up
pretty
quickly.
I
think
there
was
at
this
at
the
hearing.
There
was.
It
was
stated
that
to
to
put
those
Services,
all
back
in
as
they
were,
is
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
costs.
I
So
what
happens
when
you,
when
you're
short
staffed
you,
you
have
to
keep
the
the
lines
going,
and
so
when
one
driver
finishes
their
root,
if
there's
volunteers
of
not
volunteered
to
fill
in
for
a
route,
that's
not
staffed,
then
drivers
are
forced
to
go
ahead
and
and
take
that
overtime.
Now,
that's
that's
bad.
I
D
So
just
a
quick
question:
I
guess
you're
sending
adding
back
service
back
in,
but
the
cuts
to
service
after
a
certain
time
were
temporary.
So
this
isn't
really
adding
back
in.
This
is
restoring
service
that
existed
before
because
it
was
30
minute
service,
so
it
would
have
been.
It
would
have
met
that
shift
change
the
way
it
was
prior
to
covet
or
a
little
bit
before
code
yeah.
D
D
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
out
loud
like
I,
don't
know
how
complex
it
is
for
your
root
development,
but
was
there
any
discussion
on
the
board
about
going
back
to
communities
and
saying
you
know
this
is
the
situation.
This
is
the
choice
we're
facing.
What
would
you
want
to
do?
Do
you
want
to
pitch
in
three
or
four
or
five
more
percent,
to
keep
your
because
you
know,
as
you
know,
obviously
more
than
we
do?
D
Probably
it's
not
just
us
extraction
that's
affected,
but
unless
it
comes
through
here,
it's
Burlington,
women's
ski
Colchester,
Essex,
Essex
town
Williston,
because
it
connects
up
into
the
up
into
the
hinterland.
So
you
know
I
just
was
there
any
talk
about
coming
back
to
the
communities
and
saying
you
know
for
a
little
while
we
need
to
raise
your
contribution.
I
You
know
that
that
issue
is
raised
almost
every
budget
season.
As
you
know,
there
was
a
five
percent
increase
in
the
cost
of
the
communities
this
year
and
that's
essentially
it's
five
percent
almost
every
year,
and
not
only
do
you
have
the
that
cost
of
that
regular
service,
but
then
you
have
your
Ada
costs.
Medicaid
costs.
On
top
of
that.
E
I
One
of
the
things
we've
dealt
with
over
the
years
is
that
the
cost
of
Tran
of
public
transportation
is
born
a
lot
by
the
property
taxpayer
and
that's
not
necessarily
a
good
way
to
raise
the
amount
of
money
we
have
to
raise.
There
was
a
study
done
by
the
regional
Planning
Commission
about
establish
some
sort
of
a
broad-based
tax
or
fee
Statewide,
not
just
for
for
children
and
our
five
County
region,
but
the
new
Star
State,
because
we're
not
the
only
ones
that
are
hurting
financially,
it's
the
same
all
over
the
state.
I
So
hopefully
the
legislature
will
get
serious
about
that.
The
other
aspect
of
the
legislator
is
that
we
intend
to
establish
re-established
fairs
starting
July
1..
Last
year
the
legislature
came
through
1.2
million
dollars
which
offset
a
great
deal.
I,
think
we're
not
about
1.94
million
I.
Believe
is
what
comes
in
from
there.
So
we'll
see
whether
the
legislature
steps
up
again
so
that
we
go
Fair
free,
so
I
think
majority
of
board
would
like
to
go
Fair
Freight,
but
you
just
can't
give
up
that
kind
of
money.
D
D
I
Well,
I,
don't
know
what
the
timetable
is
something
they
said.
They
would
begin
to
investigate
because
they've
got
to
talk
with.
Obviously
the
folks
at
at
the
at
the
hospital
katma,
which
is
another
of
some
people
that
we
work
with
so
there'll
be
discussions
with
them,
so
it'll
take
a
bit
before
they
can
get
all
that
information
put
together
to
see
what's
possible,
whether
they
can
tweak
the
schedule.
I
E
I
You
can
see
if
you
tip
it
a
little
bit
a
half
an
hour
whatever,
then
everything
is
changing.
You
have
to
look
and
see
what
impacts
that'll
have
as
well,
but
I.
Think
August
I'll
even
tell
you
as
soon
as
we
find
something
out
and
let
you
know
it
certainly
will
be
sometime
by
the
May,
because
we
have
to
get
the
information
into
the
printers
for
the
for
the
mapping
guide
that
comes
out
in
June,
so
it'll
have
to
happen
before
that.
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
quickly,
but
somewhere.
D
D
Keep
going
and
I
guess
the
the
last
question
is
when,
when
are
these
changes
proposed
for?
Is
it
when's?
Your
is
the
end
of
your
beginning
of
your
next
fiscal
year
that
the
the
changes
will
I
mean
the
service
is
the
way
it
is
now.
The
way
it
is
now
is
the
way
it'll
stay
right,
so
if
they
make
a
decision
to
change
it,
that
would
probably
be
on
the
fiscal
year
or
would
it
be
yeah.
I
When
you
look
at
the
map
and
bus
with
the
map
and
guide
comes
out
and
that's
prior
to
just
prior
to
the
July
1
beginning
of
the
fiscal
year,
so
that'll
all
that'll
all
coincide
at
that
point.
At
that
point,
in
John,
they're
also
asked
well
likely.
I
don't
say
has
to
be
like
will
be
another
public
hearing,
because
when
you
make
a
change
like
that,
you're
going
to
find
out
who
else
has
impacted
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
to
be
heard
out,
it
might
impact
them.
D
D
D
Imagine
will
expect
probably
I'll
call
it
improved
service
into
that
time
frame
which
isn't
that
late
at
night
I
mean
you
know
it's
six
or
seven
isn't
to
go.
Hourly
is
something
for
for
this
community,
I
think
and
frankly,
for
the
Fort,
when
you
ski
the
hospital
Burlington,
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
the.
It
is
the
second
busiest
route.
So
how
do
we
have
a
conversation
around
getting
more
service
more
frequent
service
here?
I
Certainly,
your
representative
should
should
be
front
and
center
on
that
on
the
continuous
basis
as
a
board,
we
want
to
provide
more
services,
we're
always
looking
for
opportunities
for
more
service.
We
did
a
study
about
four
or
five
years
ago
and
it
had
a
whole
number
of
items
in
line
to
provide
more
service.
But
then
financially
you
look
at
it
and
say:
well,
we
don't
have
the
dollars,
we
don't
have
the
drivers,
so
we
couldn't
expand
service.
We
ended
up
cutting
a
little
bit
of
service.
It's
a
financial
issue
as
well
as
a
driver
issue.
I
But
I
think
I've
explained
to
you
how
what
the
interaction
is
between
the
finances
and
and
the
drug.
Probably
the
drivers
like
equipment.
We
should
have
buses,
I,
don't
think
that's
an
issue,
but
drivers
and
and
dollars
dude,
okay,
more
ridership.
If
we
have,
if
we
have
fares,
that's
more
dollars,
if
we
can
get
a
broad-based
tax
or
fee
system,
then
that'll
become
less
of
an
issue.
F
I
think
I
think
just
one
thing
to
just
add
to
it.
What
might
be
for
the
future
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
the
board,
with
our
board
here
around.
If
the
contribution
to
Green
Mountain
Transit
were
to
increase
by
X
percent,
then
that
would
allow
for
a
b
or
c,
and
so
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
that
conversation.
F
I
I
X,
Y
and
Z
I
can
recall
an
earlier
discussion
with
the
Westford
District
School
Board,
and
there
was
one
group
that
was
going
to
be
cut,
which
was
out
through
Essex,
including
Joshua
parking
around
and
a
lot
of
high
school
students,
and
some
teachers
were
using
that,
and
so
let
that
go
that's
going
to
hurt
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people,
even
though
it
was
going
to
cost
money
for
the
green
on
transfer
to
run
it.
But
that
was
tossed
it
out.
I
I
F
I
I
C
I
Very
good:
don't
hesitate
to
to
holler
at
some
point
in
time
when
you
want
more
detail
on
operations
and
costs
and
so
on
you
know,
I
know
fair
amount,
I,
don't
know
much
John
or
I'm
sure
Clayton
Clark
will
know
over
time.
So
they'd
be
glad
to
also
come
to
a
trusty
meeting
and-
and
you
know,
trusting
your
counselors
now
City
Council.
K
We
have
a
code
generation
system
which
we
use
to
produce
heat
and
power
for
the
facility
from
our
guests
produced
through
our
solids
management
and
that
unit
we
thought
just
the
generator
failed
in
early
2022
and
we
had
the
company
come
out
and
inspect
everything,
and
that
was
what
their
findings
were:
the
companies
out
of
Germany.
So
with
the
supply
chain
issues,
it
took
quite
a
while,
for
that
replacement
generator
to
get
here
almost
nine
months,
and
that
was
installed
in
November
of
this
past
year
or
sorry
2022.
K
and
it
ran
for
24
hours.
And
then
we
kept
getting
an
alarm
that
we
couldn't
get
resolved.
So
we
had
the
technician
because
we
were
so
gun
shy
with
this
generator
portion
failing
the
company
is
like
well,
don't
force
starting
it
up,
we
want
to
come
inspect
it
and
they
asked
us
to
take
an
oil
sample
and
send
it
out,
and
so
we
did
that
and
they
came
back
right
before
or
in
December
sometime
and
found,
unfortunately,
that
the
engine
also
failed
at
some
point
in
time.
K
It's
unclear
when
whether
it
was
just
from
sitting
these
these
units
are
not
made
to
sit
for
unused
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
and
it
was
so
seal
failed
and
glycol
gotten
at
the
engine,
and
it's
not
meant
to
have
glycol
and
so
significant
damage
occurred.
So
now
we're
looking
to
replace
since
we've
already
invested
in
the
generator
and
that
nothing
happened
to
that
brand
new.
It's
run
for,
like
I,
said
24
hours,
we're
looking
to
replace
the
engine
so
that
we
can
get
this
back
up
and
running.
K
There
is
a
lead
time
on
the
engine
about
so
if
I
had
ordered
right
before
the
holidays,
it
would
get
here
in
April,
so
probably
I'm
thinking,
June
time
frame,
but
I
haven't
been
with
a
company
tomorrow
to
discuss
that.
So
the
request
for
tonight
is
to
modify
our
Capital
plan
to
accommodate
this
project,
not
to
exceed
150
000
dollars,
and
we
do
have
sufficient
funds
in
our
plan.
F
Great,
thank
you
Chelsea
and
I
do
appreciate
in
particular
when
Regina.
Let
me
know
this
is
coming
onto
the
agenda.
The
portion
in
here
about
the
the
cost
benefit
and
that
it
should
pay
for
itself
in
a
let's
say,
yeah
within
a
couple
of
years,
that's
great
to
see
in
here
because
it
felt
like
as
if
every
every
year
or
so
something
was
happening
with
this
portion
of
the
of
the
facility
I.
K
Mean
that
is
not.
That
is
a
true
statement
and
if
I
had
known
the
engine
had,
if
it
was,
if
we
had
could
figured
out
when
the
engine
failed
and
if
it
was
back
when
the
generator
failed,
we
would
definitely
researched
another
company
and
really
dived
into
what's
going
on
here
except
last
time.
This
failed
and
2019
was
an
electrical
issue,
and
this
time
it's
been
determined.
It's
not
electrical.
E
B
K
Not
entirely
yeah
yeah,
it's
our
it's
our
anaerobic
digester,
so
all
of
our
sludge
is
pumped.
You
know
settled
out
of
the
process
pumped
to
this
unit,
that
is
sealed
from
the
environment
and
it's
heated
to
98
degrees
Fahrenheit,
where
it
accelerates
decomposition
and
that
process
is
when
methane,
which
is
what
runs.
This
generator
is
produced
right,
okay
and
carbon
dioxide.
So
it's
a
it's.
A
accelerated
composition
is
how
I
like
to
describe
it
so.
B
It
just
captures
the
methane
and
uses
the
methane
as
fuel
to
run
the
generator
exactly
so
my
I
guess:
I'm.
Sorry
I'm
digressing
a
lot
but
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
point
of
when
you
talk
about
the
the
cost.
How
do
you
factor
in
the
amount
of
sludge
this
or
this
this
Burns
off?
Is
that?
Is
that
a
good?
That's
a
that's
a
that's
a
benefit
for
this
thing,
and
do
you
factor
that
into
the
cost.
K
So
the
only
way
for
us
to
get
biosols
is
to
have
an
anaerobic
digester,
so
this
is
a
necessary
part
of
our
process.
This
Cogen
system
is
a
bonus
in
which
is,
you
know,
part
of
our
energy
conservation
goals.
That
Jim
was
really
focused
on
yes
and
we're
continuing
to
be
focused
on,
and
so
this
is
just
a
way
to
capture
that
excess
methane
rather
than
to
just
burn
it
through
a
flare
to
the
environment
is
to
capture
it,
because
it's
a
beneficial
reuse
of
a
resource
right
and
produce
electricity.
With
that,
okay.
B
L
One
question
Chelsea:
just
when
you,
when
you
said
about
burning
off
the
methane
yeah
traveling
into
Burlington
on
Riverside,
you
can
see
their
wastewater
treatment
plant
on
Riverside
and
occasionally
in
the
past,
I've
seen
where
they
have
a
flame
burning
off
and
that's
just
we're
just
sending
it
into
the
in
the
space.
I
mean
we're
actually
down
in
in
Montpelier
Middlesex.
L
B
F
E
M
F
E
N
So,
just
to
summarize,
from
our
last
presentation,
Chelsea
and
I
presented
this
at
the
last
meeting
and
promised
that
we
would
come
back
and
take
a
look
through
the
Wastewater
budget,
especially
to
see
if
we
could
identify
some
Revenue
increases
or
expenditure
reductions.
So
we
did
that
exercise.
Last
week
we
were,
we
did
make
some
changes,
but
they
ultimately
resulted
in
basically
a
net
zero
change
on
the
expenditures
around
the
overall
budget,
but
there
was
one
thing:
I
realized
doing
like
recalculating
the
rates.
N
The
the
increase
here
is
mostly
an
increase
in
the
admin
fees
and
then
also
the
CWD
rate
increase
that
they're
proposing
in
the
Wastewater
fund.
This
is
where
the
biggest
change
happened
because
of
the
formula
errors
that
existed
in
the
file,
so
we
were
originally
presenting
an
11.35
increase.
We
are
now
down
to
a
5.64
percent
increase
or
about
ten
dollars
and
fifty
cents
on
an
average
bill,
so
that's
much
better
than
it
was
last
time
yep
and
then
lastly,
the
sanitation
fund.
A
F
N
N
Okay,
so
the
admin
fees
are
essentially
calculated
based
on
the
administrative
costs
for
salaries
and
wages
as
well
as
Finance,
so
that
would
be
city
manager,
HR,
director
and
communications
director
time,
as
well
as
all
three
Finance
staff.
And
then
there
are
some
costs
for
overhead
expenditures
related
to
Lincoln
Hall.
Since
that's
where
all
of
these
administrative
staff
are
housed
so
that
that
total
is
allocated
based
on
a
formula.
N
And
again,
that's
another,
that's
another
formula
or
calculation
that
we'll
be
looking
at
going
forward.
There
just
wasn't
capacity
this
year
to
really
dive
into
that,
but
it's
essentially
meant
to
cover
the
time
of
those
staff
who
are
involved
in
kind
of
the
management
of
the
the
you
know,
the
budget
and
the
staff
and
the
Personnel
that
are
associated
with
all
three
of
those
funds.
N
L
I,
just
I
one
one.
One
aspect
of
this
whole
thing
is
costs
it's
kind
of
double-edged
Sword,
just
as
the
state
is
looking
in
at
the
regional
Planning
Commission
meeting
the
last.
We
were
talking
about
how
to
generate
Revenue,
to
offset
costs
for
maintaining
highways
and
doing
anything
and
the
fuel
tax
well
with
the
use
of
water.
L
The
fees
as
we're
aware
water
lines
and
Sewer
lines
break
over
over
years
and
as
usage
decreases,
that
income
from
the
sale
of
water
is
lost,
but
the
infrastructure
needed
to
maintain
doesn't
go
away
so
you're
losing
you're
losing
Revenue
when
your
cost
or
potential
cost
for
breakage
still
exist
in
in
grows
exponentially
over
years.
So
that's
just
another
aspect
that
the
public
should
be
aware
of.
H
J
H
J
C
F
O
You
know,
as
the
Mellow
says,
what
you
see
here
is
the
the
the
different
or
keys
that
are
within
the
program
fund
for
ejrp
and
basically,
staff
who
are
in
charge
of
these
different
areas
come
up
with
programs
that
they
anticipate
running
and
the
number
of
participants.
They
expect
the
expenses
they
expect
and
the
revenues
they
plan
to
charge
and
that's
where
we
end
up,
and
we
do
that
in
all
these
different
buckets.
F
Great,
my
only
question
is
when
I
look
at
the
the
ejrp
program
summary
a
spreadsheet
that
has
the
revenues
and
expenses
by
the
the
budget
categories
just
notice.
A
2024
budget
looks
like
the
plan
is
to
spend
16
000
more
than
what
is
going
to
be
received,
though
I
also
note
that's
less
than
one
half
of
one
percent
of
the
overall
budget,
so
I
assume
what
that
means.
You'd
figure
it
out.
O
N
F
Great
I
I
appreciate
that
and
as
I
mentioned,
it's
less
than
one
half
of
one
percent,
as
Brad
had
said
and
is
quite
evident
in
the
spreadsheet.
In
other
places,
there's
been
an
excess
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more
in
terms
of
Revenue
over
expenses
anyway.
So
honestly,
I'm
not
worried
about
it.
It
was
just
I
wanted
to
name
what
I
said.
F
C
C
C
J
C
H
The
memo
also
includes
just
in
terms
of
the
summary
of
new
expenditures
in
comparison
to
what
was
contemplated
in
that
FY
22
mock
City
budget,
so
you've
got
a
building
coordination
role
and
how
that
adjusts.
Some
of
the
roles
that
ejrp
you've
got
a
full-time
adult
program.
Director
half
here
only
there's
a
full-time
code
enforcement
officer
and
Community
Development.
That
would
be
the
full
year.
Also,
a
planner
position
full
year
and
admin
assistant
in
the
administration
office
full-time.
H
Then
we've
got
the
other
increases
that
we've
talked
about
kind
of
along
along
the
way.
Then
what
we
also
included
in
here
is
just
some
of
those
one-time
expenses
that
if
folks
remember
at
the
budget
day
version
those
were
incorporated
into
the
general
fund
and
we
pulled
those
out
for
the
local
auction
tax
fund.
H
So
that's
what
you've
got
here
then
again,
we've
talked
about
this
a
few
times
now,
but
the
memo
describes.
The
the
current
general
fund
budget
includes
that
460
000
administrative
allocation
from
the
Enterprise
funds
and
again
that
being
a
larger
increase
than
what
happened
last
year,
but
really
thinking
that
that's
the
right
amount
that
that's
supposed
to
be
and
hopeful
that
we
can
keep
that
there
this
year.
H
F
Appreciate
that
and
for
context
by
agreeing
to
move
this
process
forward
and
warning
the
the
public
hearings,
it
does
not
prevent
any
additional
changes
to
the
budget.
This
is
at
this
point
in
time
is
purely
a
somewhat
statutorily,
but
then
also
this
process,
standpoint
of
moving
that
to
the
next
stage,
but
so
get
having
those
public
hearings
is
to
have
comments
and
can
have
an
impact
on
the
budget.
J
F
D
F
H
F
D
D
D
D
There
have
been
a
number
of
people,
I've
talked
to,
and
I've
talked
to
in
the
past
about
other
committee
work,
drb
planning,
other
city
council
runs
that
have
identified
significant
barriers,
I
think
you've,
probably
all
read
the
memo
I
sent
out,
and
you
know
I
struggled
with
this
request.
It's
significant.
It's
a
big
change.
It's
a
big
change
in
thinking
of
how
we
traditionally
think
about
serving
on
a
city,
council
or
an
elected
board
for
municipality
I.
D
I
think
we
profess
the
desire
for
diverse
voices,
but
we
don't
acknowledge
the
reality
that
it
may
be
harder
for
those
from
traditionally
underrepresented
or
marginalized
communities
to,
and
these
are
our
neighbors
to
show
up
for
what,
essentially,
is
you
know
free
time,
even
with
the
stipends
we
currently
offer
their
token?
So
I
think
you
know
we're
telling
ourselves
as
a
we're
professing
to
be
one
thing
as
a
community
we're.
D
We
have
this
story,
We,
Tell
of
being
an
inclusive
or
wanting
to
be
or
aspiring
to
be
an
occlusive
welcoming
community
that
values
the
voices
of
everyone
in
the
community.
But
when
it
comes
to
having
those
voices
at
decision
tables,
committees
commissions
this
table,
we
aren't
recognizing
that
it
isn't
a
500
dollar
issue
from
last
year
or
a
thousand
dollar
issue
this
year
or
1500
issue
for
what
we've
planned
for
fy25.
For
you
really
can't
necessarily
put
a
number
out.
You
know
that
it's
not
the
way
I
think
about
it.
D
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
starting
to
think
about
this.
It's
you're
not
going
to
go
out
and
ask
a
thousand
people
and
have
them
all
tell
you
that
money
is
the
primary
barrier.
Necessarily
what
you're
going
to
hear
is
I
work.
Second
shift
I'd
have
to
take
a
night
off
or
a
few
hours
off
in
the
evening.
I
have
children
to
look
after
I
have
you're
going
to
hear
a
lot
of
barriers,
I
think
when
you
propose
to
pay
people
more.
What
you're
saying
is
we
recognize
that
these
barriers
are
significant
they're
real?
D
They
disproportionately
impact
people
that
don't
feel
welcome
here
that
don't
have
the
opportunities
and
the
expectation
that
we
can
be
here
that
we
belong
here.
They
don't
work
a
schedule
like
we
do.
They
don't
may
not
look
like
us
by
raising
that
money
and
raising
that
stipend,
we're
recognizing
that
maybe
the
money
isn't
the
primary
reason
that
they
show
up,
but
it
goes
to
reducing
the
barriers
that
there
exist
that
exist
that
keep
them
from
being.
Here
you
know
Child
Care,
adult
care
take
out
for
their
kids.
In
this
memo,
I've
got
a
calculation.
D
D
D
I
personally
have
have
been
31
this
month,
because
I'm
like
I,
said
trying
to
drum
up
well
I've
got
things
that
people
have
asked
me
to
do,
but
I'm
trying
to
drum
up
interest
on
this
board.
So
if
you
Baseline
into
21
hours,
that
is
a
tremendous
ask
of
someone
who
you
know.
We
profess
to
want
to
hear
from
and
value.
D
They
may
work
second
third
shift.
They
may
work
three
jumps.
They
may
work
two
jumps.
They
may
be
a
single
parent.
They
may
be
from
a
a
full
Family
household,
but
still
can't
afford
to
do
this,
so
so
I
think
we
I
threw
a
number
out
there
based
on
on
the
information.
That's
if
you
scroll
down
a
little
bit
different
sources
and
I
tried
to
be
thoughtful
about
where
I
found
numbers
to
base
this
on
I,
don't
know:
I
propose
6
500
a
year.
D
I
don't
profess
to
have
the
right
answer:
the
middle
line
there
Vermont
legislative
pay.
You
know
the
state.
The
legislature
has
to
figure
this
out
too.
This
is
this
is
an
issue
that
they
have
to
figure
out.
You
know,
especially
as
they
continue
to
diversify
and
and
welcome
more
working
people
working
people
with
young
families,
women.
There
are
some
significant
issues
about
affordability
and
service
in
the
legislature.
D
It's
just
going
to
make
a
much
more
demographically,
diverse
community
by
age,
income
race.
You
know
we're
I
could
go
through
those
13
of
our
residents.
Are
foreign
board.
15
speak
another
language
in
the
home
21
or
under
18.
only
59
on
their
own
home.
The
median
rent
is
fourteen
hundred
dollars.
That's
the
median.
D
D
It
doesn't
mean
that
anybody
in
this
room
has
done
anything
wrong
whatsoever
or
that
any
service
that
anyone
has
given
to
date
or
will
give
in
the
future
there's
nothing
wrong
with
the
way
with
with
anything
we've
done.
So
it's
not
a
comment
on
any
one
or
two
or
four
anybody.
It's
I
really
think
we
need
to
really
start
thinking
about
how
we,
how
we
accomplish
what
we
say
we
want
to
accomplish
and
I
think
the
community
really
needs
to
to
talk
about
that.
D
D
D
L
L
Okay
and
one
member
of
our
board
would
be,
would
represent
rule
five
right,
this
five,
so
twenty
percent
of
our
board,
twenty
percent
of
our
community,
is
not
bypoc,
I.
Think
as
far
as
money.
It's
an
elected
process.
It's
election
process,
there's
no
guarantee
all
the
money
in
the
world.
You
can
make
it
a
hundred
million
dollars
a
year
stipend
and
you
got
to
get
people
elected.
This
is
just
money.
L
It
doesn't
get
aboard
necessarily
that
whatever
you
envision
it
to
be
diverse,
including
bypoc,
or
what
have
you
in
the
community
I'm
not
opposed
to
having
a
more
diverse
board
but
I'm
opposed
to
to
to
to
manipulating
it
or
to
trying
to
change
the
system
almost
like
gerrymandering,
which
I'm
opposed
to
to
to
to
to
create
something
that
is
aesthetically
pleasing
for
whatever
reason
to
a
board
member
or
people
in
the
community,
I
think
it
should
be
a
process.
That's
to
chair
to
everybody.
Did.
D
L
What
I'm
saying
Raj
is
you're,
seeing
a
bipart,
not
aesthetic,
isn't
the
proper
word.
What
I'm
saying
is
you
want
something
you
want
to
CR
I
hear
a
lot
of
times
throughout
my
time
that
volunteering
in
different
boards
in
this
community
people
like
to
see
things
happen
organically
from
the
bottom
up.
This
comes
across
to
me
as
the
opposite
of
organic.
This
comes
across
as
more
of
a
contrived
board
trying
to
create
something
that
that
we
that
people
feel
this
is
how
it
has
to
look.
L
Okay,
I,
don't
want
to
see
something,
that's
changed
just
because
we
have
to.
We.
We've
got
to
give
this
appearance
of
that
we're
we're
inclusive.
We
are
inclusive
to
extent
whatever,
to
show
me
we're
not
inclusive
and
I,
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
where
are
we
not
inclusive,
where
we
we
ask
people
to
show
up
for
the
meetings,
as
we
were
saying
for
the
budget
they
get
until
February
to
before
they
can
vote,
and
it's
almost
like
trying
pulling
teeth.
L
We
have
a
difficult
enough
time
trying
to
get
people
to
come
just
to
talk
to
us
and
I
just
feel
like
putting
more
money
at
it
is
not
going
to
solve
the
problem.
I
think
just
going
out
talking
to
people
and
when
I
came
on
this
board.
My
daughter,
I
saw
you
said
something
about.
Only
one
of
us
is
has
a
child
16
under
16..
L
They
had
a
member
who
worked
at
Global,
foundries
or
IBM,
or
what
have
you
couldn't
get
out
of
work?
Well,
there
are
many
reasons:
it
doesn't
work
for
a
lot
of
people
for
many
reasons.
Raj
I
just
think.
There's
no
easy
answer
for
how
you're
going
to
create
this
board.
That
includes
people
there
aren't
on
the
board
right
now
that
you
said,
don't
look
like
us.
So
what,
when
you
say
about
appearance,
what
do
you
mean?
Don't
look
like
is
looking
is
appearance.
I
believe.
Is
that
isn't
that
what
you're
referring
to
the
appearance.
L
L
Well,
it
just
I,
just
I
I
know
I,
just
I'm
expressing
how
I
feel
about
this
and
I'm
going
to
be
off
the
board
in
another
couple
months
and
what
happens
I'd
love
to
see
a
very
more
diverse
board.
We
have
you
know
mostly
males
on
the
board.
We
don't
have
any.
We
have
one
female
member
of
the
board
in
the
past,
we've
had
other
female
members
of
the
board.
We
had
a
past
present
who
was
chair
of
the
board.
You
know
that
Billy
do
I
mean
it.
L
It
changes
over
time
and
but
I
think
you
can
find
get
different
opinions
from
many
different
people
in
the
community,
because
I've
talked
to
people
in
community
we've
just
increased
our
our
stipend
from
500
to
1500
and
now
we're
talking
about
going
to
6500.
It
just
seems,
and
then
we
talk
about
the
cost.
People
can't
afford
to
be
on
the
board.
Well,
those
same
people
can't
afford.
L
When
we
start
increasing
the
stipend
and
that's
money,
that's
taxpayers
going
to
have
to
pay,
we
increase
stipends,
we
increase
our
expenses
and
whatever
that's
the
reason
we're
talking
about
now.
We're
talking
with
the
general
fund
I
think
we
got
to
look
at
this
big
picture
and
that's
my
opinion.
Go
ahead.
Oh
actually,
the
last
the
regional
Planning
Commission,
which
I
attended
last
week.
L
They
said
in
Chittenden,
County
I,
think
the
bipart
community
represents
roughly
10
I,
believe
Charlie
brought
it
up
the
chair
and
and
the
10
Chittenden
County
I,
think
representation
in
other
boards
around
our
community.
We
have
pretty
good
representation,
represent
and
I
read
your
thing.
It
says
we
don't.
We
don't
represent
our
community
and
I,
wonder
what
you
mean
by
we
don't
represent
me.
I
heard
you
say
people
that
don't
look
like
us
so
that
when
I
say
I
shouldn't
have
used
the
term,
maybe
I
said.
D
D
E
D
P
B
D
B
Kinds
of
there
are
all
kinds
of
reasons
we
have,
and
there
are
all
kinds
of
meetings
that
that
I
should
be
going
to
that
I,
don't
always
get
to
I.
But
there's
there's
an
obviously
this
particular
issue.
This
there's
a
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
cultural
and
political
stuff
that
go
there's
an
aura
to
it
that
that
it
makes
it
very
very
difficult
for
public
discussion
sure.
But
if
I
could.
E
D
Though,
if
it
were
scheduling
which
it
probably
was
for
some
of
us
right,
it's
a
perfect
example
right.
If
you,
if,
if
something
was
held
that
you
wanted
to,
you
could
have
the
community
paid
for
you
to
be
there.
The
expectation
is
a
as
a
as
the
top
Community
leader
in
your
in
your
community
is
to
go
through
the
training
that
the
community
set
up,
wanted
you
to
take
and
paid
for
not
you
personally,
not
anybody
personally,
but
you
couldn't
do
it
because
it
was
a
work
issue.
D
That
is
exactly
the
example
I'm
talking
about
we're,
not
accommodating
the
needs
of
the
community
in
terms
of
representation,
accurately
I
don't
mean
when
I
say
we
don't
represent
our
community
in
the
in
the
sense
that
we
don't
go
out
and
talk
to
them.
We
don't
have
their
thoughts
in
mind.
We
don't
have
their.
We
don't
care
about
them.
All
of
us
care
about
our
community.
D
I
I
can't
even
begin
to
list
what
the
two
of
you,
for
instance,
have
done
as
you
retire
and
I
I
had
one
of
our
past
trustees
kind
of
telling
me
some
of
it.
You
know,
I
didn't
know
anything
about
your
early
career
I'm,
not
trying
to
suck
up
I'm.
Just
saying
I
think
this
I
think
nobody
questions
the
care
for
Community.
When
I
say
we
don't
reflect
our
current
Community
I,
don't
think
we
do,
and
and
in
some
of
the
ways
I
put
in
the
in
the
memo
and
all
I'm
saying.
E
D
Any
control
over
that
prevent
people
whose
input
we
need
that
or
we're
asking
to
live
in
this
community
from
being
here
to
help
us
make
those
decisions.
And
again
it's
not
a
personal
comment
on
anybody.
I'm,
not
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
ill
will
ill
thoughts
about
anybody.
It's
not
it's
not
a
racist
thing
at
all.
Yeah
and
it's
not
just
bypoc
people.
It's
economic!
It's
it's
work,
situation!
It's
family
makeup!
It's
it's
all
of
those
things!
D
L
Know
you're
not
going
to
get
everybody
I.
Would
the
thing
I
would
say
to
you
it's
kind
of
like
we
do
the
whole
thing
with.
How
do
we
reach
the
community
the
best
when
it
when
it
was
the
Essex
reporter
the
world
free
press,
the
local
government
TV,
and
we
got
town
meeting
TV
here,
we're
doing
all
these
things
and
you
can
lead
the
horse
water?
You
can't
necessarily
always
make
them
drink,
and
it's
just
that
their
people
are
more.
People
are
getting
involved
than
ever
before.
L
As
we
just
said,
house
42,
whatever
the
bill
was
just
signed
to
continue
this.
This
change
in
the
way
that
we,
you
know,
have
our
meetings
and
vote
and
people
can
get
involved
with
this
whole
thing
with
web
access.
When
I
came
on
the
board
initially-
and
you
remember,
George
we'd
get
the
binder
Patty
would
go
around
and
drop
off
a
big
three-ring
binder
at
our
house
with
paper.
In
it
we
got
the
computers
now
we're
doing
remote
stuff.
More
people
are
getting
involved
than
ever
before.
So
I
I
would
disagree.
L
I
understand
what
you're
saying
some
extent
sure
there
are
people
that
are
in
our
community
that,
for
whatever
reason,
don't
feel
comfortable,
maybe
it's
a
language
barrier,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
can
can
play
into
this
whole
thing.
We
could
look
at
it
from
many
different
aspects,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
I
disagree
with
the
money
aspect
and
thinking
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
create
this
better
representation
by
putting
more
money
to
to
our
stipend
and
it's
an
election
process,
people
whatever
you
know.
L
D
F
C
F
Answer
that's
going
to
say:
if
we
do
this
thing,
that
is
going
to
make
sure
that
this
board
can
be
inclusive
of
every
type
of
demographic
that
exists.
That
possibility
doesn't
exist
right
and
what
I
think
I
hear
you
saying
is
here's
a
possible
solution
to
try
and
alleviate
some
of
the
barriers
or
a
a
barrier
to
this
process
instead
of?
Let's
just
keep
doing
the
status
quo,
hope
that
something
else
changes
right.
D
And
it
kind
of
comes
back
to
what
you
said
earlier
now.
You
can
lead
a
horse
to
water,
but
you
can't
make
him
do
it,
but
if
you're
not
able
to
access
the
water
or
be
or
you're
not
allowed
or
able
to
access
the
water,
because
it's
Out
Of
Reach
through
no
fault
of
us
for
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
putting
on
anybody
because
of
a
lot
of
the
barriers
that
I
mentioned,
then
there's
pointless
whether
they
get
let
or
not.
You
know
like
if
you
can't,
if
you
can't
access
it
in
the
first
place.
Well,.
B
That
this
isn't
the
only
thing
by
the
way
you
know
can
I
can
I
get.
Let
me
if
I
don't
if
I
don't
want
to
cut
anybody
here,
it'd
be
my
two
cents.
I
I
actually
think
you're
you're.
It's
a
pretty
big
discussion,
because
you're
crossing
a
threshold
and
I
think
it's
you're,
not
recognized,
but
I.
Think
it's
a
significant
threshold
when
we
go
from
saying
I
want
to
run
for
city
council
or
a
select
board,
because
I
am
I,
am
interested
in
how
stuff
works.
B
I'm
interested
in
who
fills
the
potholes
I
mean
that's
what
we
do.
That's
what
we
do
here.
We
we
we're
not
really
into
broad-based
cultural
change,
we're
we
fill
potholes,
we
repair
the
machines
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
so
forth
and
I
think
you're
crossing
a
threshold
when
someone
says
I
I'm
interested
in
understanding
how
these
things
work,
I
want
to
support
that
work
versus
now
we're
going
to
pay
someone
to
do
that.
B
We're
going
to
pay
for
you
to
be
interested
I'm
interested
in
out
of
my
own
volition,
because
I
I
of
ulterior
motives,
I,
don't
have
a
financial
interest.
I,
don't
have
a
personal
interest
in
it,
I'm
doing
it
for
the
good
of
the
community,
but
now
suddenly
I'm
doing
it
for
the
money
and
under
the
circumstances,
it's
you
know,
maybe
what
you're
proposing
by
by
putting
more
money
into
it.
Maybe
you
get
the
results
you
want
on
the
one
hand,
but
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
slim
possibility.
B
You
could
also
wind
up
getting
people
who
get
onto
this
board
who
phone
it
in
they're,
they're,
they're,
they're,
petting
their
income.
All
they
have
to
do
is
show
up
at
a
zoom
meeting
once
or
twice
a
month.
They
don't
have
to
be.
They
don't
have
to
do
the
homework.
They
don't
have
to
do
the
hard
work
of
this
board.
B
P
D
A
little
concerned,
I
would
say
that
that's
the
perfect
example,
almost
of
the
current
system,
keeping
and
fighting
tooth
and
nail
to
keep
the
current
system
and
the
current
people
that
are
at
the
table
at
the
table,
so
that
nobody
else
is
at
the
table
and
I
think
the
Board
needs
to.
We
don't
have
to
decide
this
thing.
We
have
to
do
anything
necessarily,
but
I
think
what
people
do
need
to
do
is
start
thinking
about
that,
because
you're
not
wrong
in
a
way.
B
D
D
Doesn't
matter
if
you
think
the
only
thing
keeping
you
know
that
all
of
a
sudden
I'm
just
going
to
say
oh
six
thousand
dollars
like
people
working
two
jobs
with
a
kid
in
daycare
that
they're
just
gonna
say:
oh,
let
me
add
one
more
incredibly
complex
thing
and
go
through
an
election,
because
I
want
six
thousand
dollars
or
three
thousand
dollars
or
fifteen
hundred
dollars.
I
mean
we
did
raise
it
from
500
to
1500,
but
that
wasn't
easy.
That
was
a
conversation
we
had
to
have
and
it
not
because
anybody's
a
bad
person.
B
E
B
Let
me
let
me
cut
back
in
no
I'm
talking
about
you.
You
say
the
the
board
doesn't
reflect
the
community.
Well,
it
depends
on
what
demo,
what
what
what
criteria
you're
using
you?
Probably
if
this
board
was
gonna
I,
could
make
an
argument.
This
board
was
going
to
accurately
reflect
this
community.
There
should
be
probably
two
or
three
retired
people
on
the
sport.
Okay,
if
it's
going
to
adequately
reflect
this
community.
B
If
you
look
at
age
and
I'm
thinking,
yeah,
there's
probably
lots
of
people
out
there
guys
my
age,
who
wouldn't
mind
you
know
running
for
this
board
and
you
could
have
like
two
or
three
older
people,
older
white,
guys,
like
me,
collecting
500
bucks
a
month,
that's
not
going
to
help
you,
but
they
may
say:
that's
that's!
Pretty
good!
I
I
get
my
name
on
the
ballot
and
I
run.
I
get
my
friends
to
vote
for
me
and
I'm
on
the
city.
B
Council
and
I
can
collect
money,
I
mean
you,
don't
you
may
not
know
who
you're
gonna
get
you're
you're.
This
is
aspirational
and
I
I
admire
the
aspiration,
but
I'm
saying
by
by
putting
more
money
into
into
this.
You
don't
know
what
the
result
and
you
could
get
a
result.
That
is
completely
the
opposite
of
what
you
intended.
F
I
think
that
this
is
a
fantastic
first
conversation.
It's
important
for
us
to
have
and
I
don't
think
it
brought.
As
you
have
said
early
on,
it
needs
to
be
resolved
right
now,
but
to
at
least
be
able
to
hear
where
everybody's
at
one
thing
to
note,
my
internet
keeps
coming
in
and
out.
So
if
there
are
people
on
Zoom
who
have
been
trying
to
talk,
if
Amber
has
her
hand
up,
I
can't
see
a
thing.
Okay,.
D
H
So
we
I,
we
do
have
one
comment
from
Bridget:
happy
to
read
that
I
support
the
incremental
stipend
increase
for
City
councilors
I
think
it
might
entice
younger
people
to
run
and
serve.
We
need
to
be
proactive
about
this
I'm
appreciative
of
the
conversation
you're.
Having
and
Pat
Murray
has
his
hand
rakes
great.
R
R
It's
important
to
address
now
because,
if
we're
getting
off
on
the
right
foot
I
feel
like
it
grows
us
in
the
right
direction
as
a
community
going
on
and
I
do
feel
that
that
inclusivity
for
us
in
our
community.
Maybe
it's
not
always
a
skin
color
issue,
but
there's
definitely
a
financial
divide
in
this
community
and
if
this
goes
a
long
way
towards
helping
bridge
that
Gap
people
who
can
afford
to
be
on
a
city
council
versus
those
who
can
I.
Think
it's
I
wouldn't
say
it's
an
experiment.
R
F
Thank
you
Patrick.
If
there
are
other
individuals
attending
from
Zoom
who
do
want
to
contribute
to
this
conversation,
please
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
and
be
happy
to
call
on
you
just
so
you
know
the
chat
is
not
something
that
does
get
entered
into
the
public
record.
So
if
you
would
like
something
to
be
a
part
of
the
public
record,
you
would
need
to
raise
your
hand
and
speak
to
the
issue.
P
P
I
agree
with
I
agree
with
Roger's
concept
of
the
value
of
the
amount
and
this
type
in
I'm
very
put
off
by
the
professionalism
where
I
showed
to
his
fellow
board
members
in
this
conversation,
most
importantly
because
this
conversation
seems
to
be
preceding
and
a
previously
important
conversation
about
inclusion
and
diversity,
and
it
feels
to
me
a
great
deal
like
a
little
bit
of
Showmanship
to
remove
energy
from
that.
But
anyway,
regardless
the
idea
is
a
good
one.
P
I
agree
with
the
fact
that,
having
the
position
closer
to
a
paid
position
well,
six
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
is
not
going
to
pay
your
years-long
worth
of
rent
or
whatever.
It
does
look
at
many
different
levels
of
inclusivity
and
Equity
that
can
be
impactful
for
single
moms,
as
rice
said
for
people
with
more
than
one
job
for
and
I,
it's
certainly
not
simply
about
or
anything
that
it
occurs.
A
great
range,
so
I
agree
with
the
theory
and
I
do
wish.
There
had
been
more
professionalism
in
the
presentation.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
F
What
I
would
like
to
propose
is
for
now,
if
we
table
the
conversation,
wait
until
our
next
meeting,
which
will
be
our
first
public
hearing
on
this
issue,
can
we
revisit
at
that
time?
In
the
meantime,
just
continue
to
think
about
it.
We
would
need
to
to
make
a
final
decision
within
that
or
the
next
meeting.
D
One
idea
I
heard
that's
one
more
comment-
was
to
use
the
language
of
up
to
which
would
allow
I
think
that's
what
Brattleboro
does
yeah
Andrew
brought
that
up?
It
was
just.
It
would
allow
that
choice
to
be
made
if
there
were
counselors
that
felt
they
didn't
need
it
or
desire
it
or
whatever.
Then
it
wouldn't
be
foisted
on
them
that
sort
of
thing.
So
it's
just
something
else
to
think
about.
F
Appreciate
that
and
you're
you're
right,
brattleboro's
isn't
up
to
amount
part
of
the
discussion
that
their
representative
town
meeting
was
also
around.
If
you
haven't
up
to
then,
does
that
further
perpetuate
in
US
versus
them?
Is
there?
Is
there
and
then
shaming
around
somebody
accepting
the
amount
or
to
somebody
not
accepting
the
amount?
F
D
B
About
I'll,
just
finish
up
my
comments
by
saying:
I
think
that
too
much
of
the
discussion
has
centered
on
on
on
money
and
and
equity
and
helping
the
board
reflect
and
not
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
of
a
discussion
about
why
exactly
do?
People
have
people
for
many
many
years
throughout
the
state
volunteered
basically
volunteered
to
be
on
these
boards
and
are
we?
B
Think
the
most
important
thing
that
anyone
can
bring
to
this
board
is
not
their
their
gender
or
race
or
economic
background
or
even
their
education
level,
but
it's
their
genuine
enthusiasm
and
interest
in
understanding
how
local
government
works
and
if,
if,
if
we're,
trying
to
assign
a
monetary
value
to
that,
then
it
that
gets
really
tricky.
You.
B
Assigned
a
value
to
it,
yeah,
but
that's
a
stipend,
but
at
a
certain
point
my
point
is:
is
that
suddenly
you
go
from
a
stipend
to
a
an
income,
and
when
do
you
cross
over
that
line
and
that's
the
problem
when,
when
does
the
motivation
become
my
motivation
for
being
here
because
I'm
genuinely
interested
in
it
versus
I'm,
doing
it
for
the
money?
And
we
I
would
like
to
have
some
discussion
about
that.
D
And
I
I
would
love
for
you
to
that's
perfectly
fine
comment:
I'd
love
for
you
to
reflect
between
now
and
then
over
the
next
two
weeks
about
the
implication
of
that
statement.
The
difference
of
five
thousand
dollars
being
someone's
wholehearted,
come
to
Nirvana
moment
about
why
all
of
a
sudden,
now
they
suddenly
care
about
their
community
and
whether
five
thousand
dollars
is
an
income
over
12
months,
yeah
21
hours
a
month,
absolutely.
D
Need
to
participate,
adult
care
also
and
and
I
think
we
focused
a
lot
you're
right
on
bypoc
and
things
like
that,
but
this
is,
as
I
pointed
out
in
the
memo.
This
is
way
wider
than
that
this
is
all
kinds
of
socioeconomic,
social,
political,
not
social,
political,
social,
determinant.
You,
you
can
add
all
kinds
of
things
to
this
it
has,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
about
someone's
race,
ethnicity,
that's
an
aspect
of
it.
D
It's
a
it's
a
piece
of
it,
but
it's
not
all
of
it
and-
and
you
know,
making
an
equitable
boardroom
does
not
mean
we.
We
do
a
percentage
percentage,
look
at
the
census
of
the
village
and
try
to
match
that
you
know
it's.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
with
saying.
Well,
we
checked
the
Box
we've
got.
22
percent
of
us
are
identify
as
a
person
of
color,
so
we've
done
the
job.
D
F
Think
part
of
the
difficulty
is
going
to
be
with
this
conversation.
Is
it's
one
of
those
intangibles
where
the
the
end
goal
may
not
be
shared
by
everybody,
nor
necessarily
defines
broadly
by
everybody,
as
well
as
getting
to
that
philosophical
stance
around
in
philosophical
positions
that,
for
some
just
aren't
changed,
which
doesn't
make
it
any
easier
for
sure.
F
The
the
addition
for
staff
salaries
in
relation
to
inflation
had
a
conversation
with
a
Community
member
who
had
asked.
Why
are
we
asking
that
this
go
to
a
base
or
an
increase
of
Staff
space
salary
compared
to
a
one-time
payment
in
recognition
of
the
higher
inflation
and
the
higher
cost
of
living?
I?
Couldn't
answer?
Why
and
I
think
that
in
some
ways,
I
would
prefer
that
it
be
instead
of
a
a
permanent
increase
to
a
base
that
it
would
be
a
one-time
payment,
especially
when
we
think
about
inflation
that
can
change.
F
So
then,
we
have,
in
our
packet
a
request
for
a
motion
to
warn
the
public.
Hearings
are
currently
to
warn
a
public
hearing
and
whether
or
not
to
add
a
second
one
for
February
22nd
personally
I'm
I'm,
okay
with
adding
the
second
one.
I
think
that,
as
we
try
to
get
more
people
to
talk,
if
they
can't
make
or
to
help
impact
the
budget
conversation,
if
they
can't
make
the
eighth,
then
hopefully
they
can
make
20
seconds
as.
L
F
F
B
C
F
C
Q
Q
F
C
J
H
Today,
the
governor
passed
this
bill
that
is
referenced
here
in
the
memo
which
has
essentially,
the
purpose
of
the
bill,
was
to
extend
some
of
the
covid
flexibility
in
hosting
of
meetings
and
open
meeting
law
to
allow
for
folks
to
be
able
to
move
to
Australian
ballot
and
not
have
town
meeting
and
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
this
bill
essentially
extends
those
same
kinds
of
things
now
through
I
forget
the
end
date
for
it.
H
But
basically,
this
bill
is
not
necessarily
intended
to
change
an
annual
meeting
in
our
situation,
but
it
allows
us
to
change
an
annual
meeting
in
our
situation
and
it
allows
us
to
push
that
date
back
it
can't.
We
can't
move
it
forward,
so
we
do
have
the
ability
to
move
the
date
from
the
night
of
the
5th.
H
H
So
the
other
things
to
kind
of
think
about
in
this
is
whether
the
high
school
would
be
available
for
the
night
of
the
10th,
and
it
is-
and
today
I
actually
have
more
information
for
this
conversation,
because
I've
talked
with
Brian
Donahue
at
the
school.
So
that
is
the
schools
information
meeting
tonight
and
that
in
and
of
itself
does
not
necessarily
mean
it's
a
total
conflict,
and
we
can't
do
this.
It
could
potentially
open
up
the
opportunity
to
collaborate
that
night.
H
H
We
don't
they
will
not
be
presenting
their
budget
that
night,
because
they
actually
do
it
a
full
week
before,
and
you
know
it's
certainly
something
to
keep
in
mind
because
it's
one
of
the
main
purposes
of
this
night
is
to
present
your
budget
even
the
week
before
is
late
these
days,
because
people
already
have
their
ballots
long
before
so.
Some
of
this
is
just
the
reality
of
State
Statute
and
how
we're
trying
to
do
these
things
and
they're
not
really
logical.
H
My
so
my
recommendation
for
you
is
that
we
could
move
it
to
April
10th.
My
other
recommendation
for
you
is
that
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
make
this
decision
tonight.
It's
helpful
to
have
these
days
set,
so
we
can
just
go
forth
and
organize,
but
it's
not
necessary
that
you
make
this
decision
tonight,
because
it
could
open
the
opportunity
for
Andrew
to
talk
with
the
school
board
chair
and
see
if
there
is
any
logic
or
benefit
or
coordination.
That
could
happen
in
having
this
night
collectively
on
the
10th.
F
F
I
would
like
to
at
this
point,
I
think
just
get
a
sense
of
the
board
as
to
our
openness
to
change
it
and
wait
until
we
can
try
to
figure
out
some
of
these
Logistics
to
make
sure
that
it
can
still
happen
and
as
a
part
of
that,
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
hoping
to
be
able
to
do
for
this
meeting
is
try
to
get
some
of
the
the
Pomp
and
Circumstance
that
we
used
to
have
back.
Where
could
we
have
the
annual
dinner
again?
F
That
was
sort
of
part
of
my
hope,
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
see
again,
but
now
we're
also
talking
about
doing
at
the
same
point
in
time
that
the
school
district
is
going
to
be
there
for
Westford
and
the
town
and
the
City
does.
All
of
that
make
sense
at
this
point
in
time,
with
the
further
understanding
a
little
bit
of
a
personal
editorial
here.
F
State
Statute
requires
that
we
have
a
informational
meeting
10
days
at
no
more
than
10
days
before
a
ballot
vote,
so
we
can't
do
this
sooner
or
we
can't
do
have
done
this
in
March
when
it
would
have
made
much
more
sense,
and
so
now
we're
stuck
at
this
point
in
time
of.
There
is
no
good
answer
again.
D
F
D
Though
yeah,
what
if
we
made
the
February
public
hearing,
what
you're
talking
about
and
just
kind
of
did
a
zoom
thing
on
the
10th
I
mean
we're
still
conflicting
with
the
school,
but
the
logistics
around
that
would
be
we'll
go
at
six
heavier's
seven
same
residents
can
go.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
so
we
could
do.
We
could
do
what
you're
saying,
which
is
the
community
thing
off
schedule,
weird
schedule,
I
get
it
we're
trying
to
fix
a
an
oops,
a
big
oops
I'm,
not
turn
to
discount
it.
D
D
D
Right
right,
so
this
kind
of
brings
us
back
to
what
we
used
to
sort
of
do
at
diabetic.
I
mean
you
know
it
wouldn't
be.
Like
I
moved
to
change
the
budget
right,
it
would
be
public
comment
and
then
we'd
right,
but
just
to
be
clear
for
those
at
home.
It
wouldn't
be
a
town
meeting
format,
but
it
would
be.
D
D
D
L
Term
right
because
I'm
thinking
the
the
AV,
the
audio
video
and
you
know,
as
far
as
doing
it,
you
know
virtual
kind
of
a
hybrid
meeting.
You
know
having
a
screen
large
enough
audio
systems
that
people
could
hear
the
the
there's
a
lot
of
logistics
that
goes
into
this,
so
they're
not
be
able
to
do
that.
It's
huge.
B
You
know
can
I
ask
a
question:
how
long
is
the
school?
How?
How
long
is
the
school
board
meeting
their
public
meeting
anticipated
to
be
because
I've
been
doing
the
past
and
they
are
really
not
big?
They
don't
really
go
along.
They
usually
no
offense
to
the
school
district,
but
they
usually
don't
get
a
great
big
crowd
and
they
usually
go
pretty
quickly.
I
mean
that's
something
to
consider.
It
is
a
possibility
you
could
have
you
could
piggyback
and
that's
actually
what
happened
used
to
happen
in
the
distant
past
from
time
to
time.
B
E
F
B
P
C
E
D
D
F
J
F
H
H
C
F
So
yes,
going
into
the
next
agenda
item
around
Charter
changes
and
the
charter
changes
memo,
basically
I'm
proposing
four
Charter
changes,
and
at
this
point
in
time,
what
I'm
looking
for
is
just
a
general.
Yes,
okay,
moving
forward
with
the
process
for
anyone
and
or
all
of
these
either
as
a
written
or
or
with
future
changes.
F
The
first
one
is,
as
we
just
heard
about
the
health
officer.
Currently
I
am
our
health
officer,
because
by
State
Statute
or
by
the
by
Statute,
every
Community
needs
to
have
one,
and
this
process
is
overseen
by
the
Department
of
Health,
the
Department
of
Health.
If
we
do
not
appoint
one,
then
the
chair
of
the
municipal
board
then
automatically
becomes
a
health
officer
in
our
Charter.
F
I
could
have
organized
this
a
lot
better,
because
I
am
now
needing
to
go
back
and
forth
between
way
too
many
pages.
The
second
one
is
to
remove
the
section
that
basically
prevents
us
from
being
able
to
hold
any
type
of
compensated
municipal
office,
including
employment,
for
one
year
until
after
our
term
has
expired.
So
as
an
example,
Dan
George
you
two
are
going
to
be.
Your
terms
are
going
to
be
up.
F
If
there
were
some
opportunity,
you
wanted
to
become
the
next
Administrative
Assistant
for
Essex
Junction,
you
can't
until
one
year
after
your
term
would
have
expired,
so
that
would
prevent
the
city
potentially
from
tapping
into
people
for
employment
when
I
did
a
review
of
Municipal
charters
in
our
in
our
state.
This
is
something
that
is
not
mentioned
in
any
other
municipalities.
That
I
was
able
to
find
and
I'm
just
recommending
that
we
get
rid
of
it.
F
F
F
He
has
some
Merit
around
keeping
the
role
in
the
sense
of
again,
if
we're
trying
to
elevate
this
informational
meeting
and
try
to
elevate
the
the
way
that
it
feels
the
order
that
sort
of
pop
and
Circumstance,
then
keeping
a
moderator,
may
be
beneficial
to
have
some
type
of
a
neutral
party.
But
instead
of
having
it
be
somebody
who's
elected
it'd,
be
an
appointed
position.
So
we
would
then
just
appoint
the
person
instead
of
asking
a
person,
a
potential
moderator
to
go
out
and
get
the
30
signatures
and
be
elected.
L
Just
a
thought:
I
mean
one
moderator
I
mean
some
verbiage
to
address,
potentially
they're
ill
they're
unavailable.
What
have
you
you
know
what
we
you
know
that
the
chair
or
the
board,
the
president
of
the
board
or
whoever
could
appoint
some
like
you
said,
appointed
position,
as
opposed
to
like
I
agree
with
you.
In
that
sense,
I
I
agree
with
you
the
idea
of
having
a
moderator
as
opposed
to
the
board
running
it.
You
know
it
does
keep
it.
It
separates
that
individual
from
the
rest
of
the
board.
F
And
it
is
something
that
I
realized
after
I
did
this
in
Berry
City
Montpelier
in
Saint,
Albans
City,
in
Rutland,
City
and
in
Winooski.
All
of
them
do
not
have
a
moderator;
instead,
it
falls
to
their
their
mayor,
which
I
didn't
realize
in
retrospect,
I
didn't
realize
in
the
process
that
I
was
only
reviewing
charters
for
those
that
have
Mayors
yeah
slightly
different
than
us.
F
D
F
All
right,
it's
a
show
up
for
one
day
and
do
your
thing
for
one
day
and
the
fourth
one
is
about
holding
the
date
for
the
annual
meeting.
Generally
speaking,
I
know
in
my
in
my
professional
worlds.
I
have
never
really
scheduled
a
meeting
a
year
in
advance.
It's
always
felt
weird
to
do
it,
and
it's
also
another
one
of
those
things
that
we
are
fairly
unique
of
in
reviewing
various
Charters
overwhelmingly.
The
community's
informally
do
them
on
town
meeting
day
and
that
is
written
into
their
Charter
I.
F
Don't
think
that
we
should
move
our
meeting
date
to
town
meeting
day.
I
would
love
for
us
to
continue
to
vote
with
the
school
district,
so
the
intent
of
this
is
to
be
able
to
continue
to
have
our
meeting
with
the
school
district.
So
that
way,
our
community
comes
out
and
votes
by
ballot
once,
but
instead
of
asking
the
community
a
year
in
advance
to
set
that
date
allowing
the
city
council
to
make
that
decision,
which
could
then
also
help
us
be
a
little
agile.
B
F
It
good
great
so
then
that's
the
introduction,
so
February
8th
would
be
a
or
so
on
the
25th.
We
would
need
to
have
these
introduced
to
today's
25th
February
8th.
We
would
need
to
warn
the
public
hearings.
We
need
to
have
the
public
hearings
on
the
22nd
and
again
on
the
8th
of
March,
and
then
they
would
just
need
to
be
voted
upon
on
the
11th.
There
would
still
be
time
to
potentially
change
the
language
at
the
22nd
meeting,
but
not
after
that.
If
I
recall
the
statutes
correctly.
D
D
F
C
C
C
H
Okay,
so
the
issue
here
is
you've
now
that
we've
experienced
our
first
dog
bite
hearing
is
just
brought
forward
a
number
of
different
questions
that
I
would
categorize
categorize,
both
in
the
category
of
rules
of
procedure
and
also
in
the
policy
category,
and
this
is
not
on
here
for
Action
tonight.
This
is
again
another
discussion
of
item
to
see
what
what
you
folks
wanna
do
going
forward,
but
so
the
memo
describes
some
of
the
procedural
questions
that
came
forward.
H
Blct
has
a
model
rules
of
procedure
and
we
could
certainly
have
that
prepared
for
the
council
if
you
want
to
take
that
approach
and
I
I
would
recommend
that
we
do
this.
Certainly
at
some
point
whether
we
make
policy
changes
and
how
we
manage
this
or
not.
Bigger
issue
is
the
policy
level
question,
and
so
essentially,
what
you've
got
now
in
the
city
is
your
ordinance
chapter
five,
that's
a
pretty
simple
ordinance,
and
so
for
this
particular
issue.
H
H
So
that's
about
it.
For
this
memo,
it's
got
a
little
bit
more
of
the
detail
of.
What's
in
that
town,
ordinance
and
again,
no
specific
action
needed
tonight,
just
thoughts
and
discussion
around
whether
you
want
to
think
about
rules
of
procedure
and
whether
you
want
to
think
about
an
ordinance
change.
D
I'm
just
curious
with
the
the
way
things
stand
now
without
this
change
to
a
potentially
vicious
dog,
we
could
have
the
same
dog
biting
another
dog
over
and
over
again
different
incidents
and
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do
about
it
or
we
can
do
this
and
identify
and
try
to
address
a
problem,
not
that
these
are
frequent.
The
second
question,
so
thank
you.
The
second
question
I
have
is
all
right,
so
the
town's
had
this
for
over
here,
probably
I
think
it
was
like
a
year
or
two
ago
that.
D
Have
they
seen
an
increase
because
they're,
you
know
I'm
curious
if
the
select
board
is
overwhelmed,
so
I
think
my
my
opinion
is
yes.
I
want
to
see
I
want
to
see
some
procedural
changes.
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
the
level
of
testimony
that
we
had
one
way
or
the
other
right.
D
I
also
don't
know
that
these
need
to
be
part
of
our
regular
meeting
and
that
changed
to
procedure
and
policy
combined
with
this
would
help
keep
this
efficient
and
also
say
that
people
spend
an
awful
lot
of
money
on
their
dogs
and
I
know
the
state
likes
to
consider
them
property
right.
So
if
we're
considering
them
property
and
someone
someone's
dog
damages
your
I'm
speaking
in
terms
of
property,
I,
don't
agree
with
this
description.
D
Someone
damages
your
four
thousand
dollar
item
and
your
only
recourse
is
to
get
a
vet
bill
paid
and
and
the
dog
is
there's
no
recourse
on
the
on
the
owner
or
anything
else.
Then
I
kind
of
have
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
with
that,
but
it's
just
a
weird
I:
don't
like
thinking
of
living
things
as
property
in
the
first
place,
but
that's
how
we
have
to
think
about
it.
D
Some
ways
and
I
think
this
gives
us
an
alternative
to
to
address
a
repeat
issues,
and
you
know
just
because
the
dog
didn't
happen
to
bite
the
human.
If
the
dog
is
got
a
repeat
problem,
it
was
probably
just
sheer
luck
that
someone
wasn't
holding
the
leash
and
turned
around
and
got
a
bit
too.
So
it's
so
unpredictable
that
I
think
having
any
more
options.
It's
probably
better.
B
I
I
agree
with
what
Raj
said
and
I
I
have
been
to
several.
Besides
the
the
one,
our
own
that
we
just
had,
the
the
other
two
or
three
that
I've
been
to
in
the
town
were
exactly
a
similar
situation
where
someone
was
walking
their
dog
and
another
dog
came
out
of
a
property
escaped
from
a
property
and
attacked
there.
B
The
the
dog
that
was
on
a
leash
and
under
control
and
in
the
course
of
what
the
very
human
reaction
of
the
dog
owner
trying
to
break
it
up,
the
dog
owner
was
bit
and
I'd
go
one
step
further.
I
think
that
I
don't
care
if
it's
the
attacking
dog
or
the
dog
that's
being
attacked.
If
it's,
even
if
it's
the
dog,
that's
being
attacked
that
winds
up,
that's
just
trying
to
defend
itself
and
bites
the
owner,
I
don't
care.
B
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it
was
the
attacking
dog,
that's
at
fault
and
I
would
like
to
make,
and
so,
first
of
all,
let
me
I
don't
want
to
complicate
it.
I
think
we
should
be
aligned
with
Essex
town
I,
don't
think
they're
overwhelmed
I,
don't
get
the
sense
that
they're
overwhelmed
and
I
think
it
it
it.
It
makes
it
better
for
the
police
to
have
it
have
a
more
consistent
way
in
a
more
consistent
way
of
of
proceeding.
B
Can
I
just
add
one
other
thing
I'd
like
to
throw
in
here,
though,
when
we,
when
we
got
home,
you
know
when
I
got
home
and
was
thinking
about
this
and
then
with
with
the
with
the
incident
we
had.
They
were
talking
about
the
electric
fence
and
we
had
some
issues
about
electric
fence,
so
I
Googled,
electric
fence,
are
they
effective?
B
I
would
like
to
see
some
logic
to
it.
I
would
like
to
see
some
and
who
do
we
turn
to
if
we
say
well,
you
need
to
take
that
dog
to
a
dog
trainer.
Will
a
certified
dog
trainer.
Well,
what
does
that
mean?
Is
there?
Is
there
some
certification,
that's
acceptable,
and
some
that's
not
is.
Is
there
some
remedy?
So
I
would
like
to
basically
like
sentencing
guidelines
in
a
jury.
You
know
I
would
like
to
see
us
have
a
range
and
have
some
kind
of
a
logical
way
of
approaching
this.
B
F
F
The
five
of
us
are
generally
concerned
community
members
who
want
nothing
but
the
best
for
our
community,
but
I,
don't
think
we
are
animal
control,
experts
and
I,
don't
think
we
are
experts
in
how
to
control
or
train
an
animal,
but
yet
we
are
going
to
be
put
in
the
position
of
trying
to
assign
to
these
situations
what
will
best
control
an
animal
and
prevent
something
from
happening.
We're
also
not
animal
behavior
experts
and
so
being
able
to
get
into
the
mind
of
an
animal
and
say
yes.
This
is
why
that
happened.
F
All
the
other
thing
I'm
curious
on
is
given
that
we
have
the
dog
park
in
our
community.
There
isn't
one
in
the
town
of
Essex,
Indian,
Brook
kind
of
is
functioning
as
that,
but
it's
a
different
story,
so
I'm
assuming
we're
going
to
get
more
requests
or
more
of
these
types
of
hearings
and
I'm
wondering.
F
Is
there
some
kind
of
a
threshold
that
we
could
have
the
Animal
control
officer
play
where
that
there's
at
least
some
evidence
of
this
there's
at
least
some
kind
of
of
something,
so
that
that
way,
it's
not
necessarily
just
a
my
dog
did
this.
No,
my
dog
did
not
do
this
and
we're
here
with
trying
to
figure
out.
Okay,
two
people
are
saying
the
exact
opposite
things.
How
are
we
going
to
move
this
forward?
F
It
was
very
beneficial
to
have
the
home
video
that
we
had
at
this
last
hearing,
which,
from
my
understanding,
that
is
the
rare
exception,
and
so,
if
there's
some
kind
of
threshold,
we
can
have
personally
I.
Think
that
would
be
helpful
to
make
sure
that
we
can
make
an
informed,
non-rash,
non-emotional
based
decision,
but
one
that
would
have
some
level
of
fact
to
a
degree
possible.
J
L
I
I
concur
with
the
comments
Raj
George
yours
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
an
easy
matter
to
handle
and,
like
Raj
says
it
got
quite
lengthy
with
the
you
know,
comments
from
other
people
to
do
that
in
combination
with
the
regular
meeting.
It
just
extends
it.
It
gets
too
much.
I
would
have
to
be
separate,
I
think
the
best
way
I
agree.
L
Everything
said
so
far
in
that
it
is
going
to
be
difficult
to
determine
when
you've
got.
You
know
he
said
she
said
who
said
this
person
says
this
and
dogs,
but
if
there
can
be
evidence
of
a
dog
by
pictures,
whatever
medical,
you
know,
you
facts
that
are
presented
obviously
are
important
to
see
and
yeah.
It's
it's.
It's
no
easy
answer,
but
as
I
recall,
Rick
Gary
was
here
and
when
he
said
we
should
be
looking
at
the
Town,
ordinance
and
I
agree
with
the
Regina.
L
Q
Yeah
I
I
agree
with
everything
that
everybody's
already
said.
The
only
other
piece
I'd
add
is,
if
vlct
or
other
folks
have
trainings
specific
for
us
to
engage
in
then
and
its
staff
happen
to
see
those.
That
would
be
great
if
you
could
pass
it
along
as
we
try
to
navigate
these
new
territories
like
cannabis,
committee,
liquor,
control
and
stuff
for
things
that
we're
just
getting
thrown
into
that.
We
have
no
idea
really
what
the
process
is.
B
B
C
F
G
You
it's
going
to
say
a
lot
of,
like
all
of
us
are
probably
said
by
someone
just
how
well
I
finished
my
record
a
lot
of
what
you
just
said.
No,
because
this
could
happen
against
all
she
lives
right
next
to
all
the
three
dogs,
two
of
them,
the
dog's
neck
and
two
seconds
and
stood
up
against.
Also
I'll
plead
with
you
don't
delay!
You
can
do
this
as
fast
as
you
can
safe
to
adopt
this.
That's
important
and
figure
out
everything
else
like
if
it's
working
in
Essex
and.
G
G
H
S
S
The
Animal
control
officer,
if
we
do
have
one
or
access
to
one,
should
be
sort
of
that
focal
point
for
any
kind
of
animal
animal
interactions,
especially
with
dogs,
but
there
are
also
other
avenues
for
in
to
raja's
point:
I,
love
dogs,
so
I
don't
look
at
them
as
property,
but
small
claims
court.
We
also
have
other
communities
that
have
bite
levels,
so
you
know
and
I
know
that's
mostly
involved
with
human
beings.
But
you
know
if
it's
a
level
one
bite.
S
If
it's
a
level
two
bite,
it's
a
level
three
bite
to
George's
point
it
kind
of
dictates
how
it
gets
handled,
but
it
usually
gets
handled
through
animal
control
and
I
will
say
this.
Having
a
dog
park
which
we
go
to
every
day,
dogs
are
biting
each
other
all
the
time
not
to
the
level
of
the
vicious
behavior
of
ripping
a
throw
it
out,
but
dogs
bite
each
other
they
bite
in
play.
They
bite
out
of
frustration.
They
bite
out
of
anger
and
even
great
dogs,
well-trained
dogs
do
that
sometimes
so.
S
I
I
do
have
a
worry
as
a
resident
and
a
dog
owner
that
you
will.
This
is
dog
biting
other
dogs
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
frequent
than
them
biting
human
beings,
and
that
is
this.
The
appropriate
is
the
council,
the
appropriate
place,
to
bring
those
type
of
complaints,
as
opposed
to
you
know
another
method
in
Animal,
Control
person,
or
you
know,
even
if
it
does
escalate
to
the
point
that
there
is
a
very
large
vet
bill
or
some
concern
about
Behavior
small
claims.
S
D
F
G
F
H
And
I
do
just
I
think
I
said
it
in
the
memo,
but
just
to
be
clear
because
essentially
we're
thinking
about
just
looking
at
a
draft
ordinance,
that's
already
in
place
and
can
have
Claudine
look
at
that
pretty
quickly.
We
have
talked
previously
about
other
ordinance,
changes
that
are
bigger
items
and
staff.
Just
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
move
those
right
now,
but
this
I
would
put
in
a
different
bucket
because
the
it's
pretty
much
good
to
go.
Yep.
E
F
F
B
B
B
We
used
to
have
a
kind
of
a
blue
sky
session
at
the
beginning
of
trustee
each
new
trustee
term,
where
we
talked
about
things,
short-term
goals
and
long-term
goals
and
Dan's
one
of
Dan's
long-term
goals
way
back
when
was
to
have
an
indoor
recreation
facility,
and
so
people
who
think
they've
been
thinking
about
indoor
Recreation
facilities,
my
colleague
and
Karen.
Has
you
beat
by
many
many
years?
B
Hap
I
would
like
to
see
something
happen
with
Stevens
Park,
where
we
respect
what
the
park
is,
which
is
a
beautiful
wooded
area
in
the
middle
of
the
city,
but
also
has
some
other
kind
of
use
anyway
long
story,
short
I,
just
want
to
throw
out
the
idea
to
plant
in
people's
minds
as
we
go
forward
in
planning
the
community
and
doing
strategic
planning
and
all
that
stuff
and
I
hope.
I
can
come
to
those
planning
sessions
next
summer
or
wherever
they're
going
to
take
place.
B
But
I'd
like
to
plant
this
in
in
a
in
this
seed
in
a
few
people's
minds.
What
I
did
was
I
took
basically
the
the
the
Miller
building
at
cve,
which
houses
Nordic
soccer
and
I
transported
it
and
dropped
it
in
the
middle
of
Stevens,
Park
and
I
did
that
to
see
how
big
a
fit
it
would
be.
Now
the
Miller
building
is
probably
about
three
times
the
size
of
a
facility
that
we
would
need.
B
So
the
people
who
live
on
the
boundary
of
the
park
and
who
live
around
the
park
would
not
see
any
diminishment
from
their
from
a
street
view
or
from
the
backyards
or
from
their
their
houses.
They
would
not
see
any
loss
of
the
the
wooded
area
it
it
the
it
and
again
we
just
to
orient
everyone.
The
the
arrow
on
the
lower
left
hand
corner
right
below
that
arrow
is
the
Essex
Westford
School
District
administration.
Building
that
parking
lot
behind
it
holds
I.
B
Think
about
15
or
20
cars,
so
you
could
imagine
that
that
little
piece
of
parking
lot
going
right
next
to
the
building.
So
you
could
have
a
pretty
significant
facility
right
in
the
middle
of
the
downtown,
with
plenty
of
parking
that
would
not
in
any
way
impact
the
neighborhood.
It
would
impact
it
positively.
B
B
Because
there
are
lots
of
places
you
could
put
this
facility,
you
could
put
it
on
the
on
the
outskirts
of
the
city,
but
then
you
are
privileging
it
by
having
it
just
be
accessible
by
people
who
can
drive
there
or
by
kids,
whose
parents
can
drive
them
there.
You
put
it
in
the
downtown
in
Stevens,
Park
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
how
completely
accessible
and
walkable
it
is
for
everybody
for
certainly
for
Indian
Acres
in
the
entire
South
Street
West
Street
area
people
could
walk
there.
Kids
can
walk
there
from
school.
B
Kids
can
walk
there
from
ADL
from
the
high
school,
certainly
even
Elementary
School
it.
It
would
work
as
a
if
you
can
kind
of
see
in
this
picture.
Maple
Street
Park
way
over
on
the
right
hand
side.
So
this
could
be
not
just
an
indoor
facility,
but
this
could
be
begin
to
be
a
kind
of
an
alternative
place.
I
know
that
Maple
Street
park
has
a
lot
of
after
school
programs
there's
a
huge
demand
on
their
space
and
they're
they're
needing
more
space.
So
again
you
put
in
a
building.
B
If
we
put
in
a
building
like
this
at
Stevens
Park,
you
could
have
some
of
it
used
for
after
school
programs,
you
could
even
potentially
put
a
senior
center
there
long
term
and
I
I
really
do
believe
it
also
it.
It
adds
to
the
core
of
the
city.
You'd
bring
people
into
the
downtown,
which
is
something
that
we
we
want
to
continue
to
do
it.
It
brings
those
Community
connections
together.
B
I
I
just
want
to
throw
it
out
long-term
project,
but
when
we're
planning
for
the
future
doing
strategic
planning,
I
think
this
is
something
we
should
definitely
have
in
mind
and
I
again,
let
me
emphasize
I
think
the
biggest
problem
you're
going
to
have
in
doing
something
like
this.
Besides,
obviously,
the
funding
is
that
the
people
who
live
on
the
boundary
of
the
park
are
not
going
to
want
to
lose
their
wooded
area.
I've
been
around
long
enough
and
and
no
matter
where
you
are
in
the
city.
B
People
who
live
on
the
boundary
of
some
beautiful
wooded
area
never
want
to
lose
that
wooded
area,
but
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
respectful
conversation.
If
you,
if
we
decided
to
go
in
this
path,
that
we
would
have
a
a
have,
a
minimum
impact
and
it
would
actually
be
an
improvement
and
by
the
way
the
park
is
a
public
space,
it's
owned
by
the
city,
and
it
really
should
be
utilized
by
the
whole
city.
B
I'll
finish
by
saying:
I
know:
at
one
time
there
was
a
playground
in
that
Park
and
that
pla
the
park,
the
use
you,
the
the
use
of
the
park,
is
actually
declined
over
the
last
30
years
and
I,
don't
think
it
ever
really
get
off
the
ground.
It's
just
being
been
lying
fallow
and
I
think
that
you
could
finally
find
a
a
a
use
for
this
park.
That
would
be
a
win
for
everybody,
so
I
want
to
plan
on
everyone's
mind
when
you
start
thinking
about
big
picture
stuff.
L
Right
down
the
street,
no
everything
George
said
I
agree,
but
the
park
is
underutilized
and
when
my
daughter
was
very
little,
we
used
to
go
there
and
there
was
a
slide
and
there
were
some
bouncy
metal
animal
things
on
Springs
and
I.
Remember
her
getting
stung,
there
was
a
beehive
in
one
of
them,
but
anyhow
the
the
park
itself
has
problems
with
water,
drainage,
water,
pooling
and
the
trees
in
in
a
way
it's
double-edged
sword.
L
I,
guess
you
could
look
at
it,
it's
beautiful,
but
it
also
prevents
people
from
being
seen
some
some
nefarious
Deeds
are
done.
There
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
details,
but
I've
talked
with
police
officers
here
in
our
community
over
the
years,
and
they
concur
with
that.
So
by
clearing
out
some
of
those
trees,
letting
some
sunlight
in
there,
it
would
dry
it
out
and
you
know
more
eyes
on
it.
People
would
not
be
so
old
to
do
things
when
they're
being
watched
by
other
people,
maybe
and
can
be
seen.
F
J
F
B
Indoor
hot
stuff:
let's
not
go
crazy
here,
but
there's
a
helipad
on
the
roof,
no
I!
We
because
we
we
don't
want
to
go
too
crazy
here,
but
I
I
think
it
is
something
to
definitely
think
about
it's
interesting,
yeah
and
and
that's
a
massive
building
you
you
need
a
building,
maybe
a
third
or
a
quarter
of.
L
B
S
Yeah
talk
about
like
Minds
George
Tyler,
so
there
is
a
community
group,
that's
gotten
together
and
been
talking
about
Stevens
Park
in
relation
to
a
grant
opportunity,
that's
available
and
the
idea
that
came
up.
I
love
the
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
too
I'm
right
down
the
street,
so
I
have
to
say
that
and
talking
about
bringing
More
arts
to
the
community.
So
I'd
encourage
you,
know,
I,
understand
and
and
get
that
you
know.
S
Rack
might
need
more
room,
but
I'd
really
like
to
see
how
we
could
bring
more
Arts
into
the
community
and
then
also
the
walkability
I
think
is
key
here.
The
concern
is
a
neighbor
would
be
parking
and
the
traffic
you
know
West
gets
pretty
busy
anyway
and
if
we're
looking,
where
are
people
you
know
coming
in?
But
I
love
the
idea
of
utilizing
that
Park?
We
will
we
walk
past
it
all
the
time
and
it's
just
not
used
for
anything
and
Dan
is
right.
S
We
do
have
issues
with
crime
in
that
area.
You
don't
walk
through
that
area
right
now,
because
there
are
hypodermics
that
you
see
on
the
ground
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
putting
something
in
that
space
that
draws
people
into
it
be
fantastic
and
I
would
love
if
people
could
walk
to
theater
there
like
a
theater
in
the
park.
That
would
be
awesome.
I
think
you
could
probably
you
know
somebody
from
Essex
players
who
might
be
interested
in
finding
a
home,
so
I
just
want
to
say
I
love.
S
B
I
think
eventually
the
school
district
is
going
to
want
to
consolidate
and
I'm
going
to
guess
boy.
You
play
musical
chairs
with
buildings,
but
the
town
is
already
talking
about.
Building
a
new
Administrative
Office
Building
I've
always
felt
that
81
Main
Street
is
the
perfect
location
for
a
a
Consolidated
School
Administration
building
it's
right
next
to
their
right
next
to
the
high
school.
It's
got
a
great
big
meeting
room
in
it.
It's
be
perfect
for
them.
B
So
if
all
that
happens-
and
you
have
some
constructive
Visionary
conversations
about
these
built
these
buildings-
that
little
building
right
there,
we
used
to
call
the
Discovery
Museum.
That
could
also
be
a
senior
center
in
our
art
center
and
you
could
combine
it
with
whatever
you're
going
to
do
in
the
park.
B
L
L
When
you
round
the
corner
from
from
Park
Street
onto
South
Street,
there's
a
White
House
on
the
corner
and
there's
a
there's
a
patch,
an
opening,
that's
part
of
the
park
that
would
allow
I,
guess
I,
don't
know
if
you
could
put
a
curb
cut
there,
but
even
further
up
where
the
signage
is
across
from
Southview
Road,
possibly
for
a
curve
cut
there
to
enter
the
park.
Or
what
have
you
you
know
so,
there's
many
ways
or
like
George,
said
right
where
the
the
Essex
Western
School
District
uses
their.
L
F
Yeah
only
comment:
I
wanted
to
make
changing
topics
the
in
our
reading
file.
We
have
the
Perma
application
and
events
that
are
planned
from
Champlain
Valley
Expo.
So
for
those
who
are
wondering
when
those
events
are
going
to
be
or
if
you
are
in
the
community
wondering
what
type
of
events
are
going
to
be
happening
at
the
interval
this
year,
you
can
see
the
dates
of
which
event
is
happening
when
to
for
your
own
planning
and
Regina
in
the
past.
J
L
P
Yeah
hi
earlier
I
tried
to
I
guess
I'm,
just
out
of
sync
with
how
the
public
comment
is
working
I,
don't
seem
to
be
I,
I
understood
it
should
happen
after
each
and
whatever
my
comment
is
about
the
Stevens
proc
idea
and
stuff,
and
these
are
great
ideas
that
I've
long
been
a
fan
of
I.
Can't
I
can't
applaud
all
of
this
enough.
P
It
is
very
clear
to
me
that
we
are
seven
years
late
for
having
a
wreck
advisory
committee,
at
least
just
alluded
to
a
meeting
that
happened
last
night
that
has
Community
discussion
about
these
things.
You've
got
community
engagement
about
these
things.
We
were
able
to
create,
in
a
very
short
amount
of
time,
a
committee
for
a
village
or
our
voices,
the
rec
department,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
created
that
committee.
We
were
then
able
to
create
two
committees
for
the
hiring
of
the
lovely
and
one-story
lovelies.