►
From YouTube: Essex Junction City Council - 2/22/2023
Description
Call to Order 00:00:00
Public to be Heard 00:00:20
Public Hearing FY24 Budget & Capital Budget 00:34:35
Chris Yuen - Community Development Dir.01:38:28
FY22 Audit Report 01:46:35
FY24 Budget & Capital Budget 02:02:58
Jess Morris Conversation 02:38:34
Dog Ordinance Amendments 02:49:30
Consent Agenda 03:22:54
Reading File 03:23:08
Total Run Time: 03:23:53
https://linktr.ee/townmeetingtvAgenda
Town Meeting TV is a free speech forum and the ideas expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of the Town Meeting TV trustees and staff. If you have a different perspective to share, we invite you to join the conversation! Create your own program or cover a community meeting or event. Contact maketv@cctv.org or call 862-3966.
Thank you for tuning into Town Meeting TV! Please subscribe to our YouTube channel and visit our website for more videos and information about how we open the doors to local government using community media. www.Ch17.TV
This video belongs to http://www.cctv.org and published with permission under Creative Commons License CCTV Center for Media & Democracy Programming is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
C
B
D
E
B
Second,
thank
you,
George.
Thank
you,
Raj,
any
further
discussion
hearing,
none
all
in
favorably
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
that's
supposedly
say,
nay,
great,
thank
you
and
moving
on
to
public
to
be
heard.
So
this
is
the
portion
of
tonight's
meeting
where,
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
talk
to
the
board
about
something
that
is
not
on
the
agenda,
now
is
the
time
to
do
so.
B
F
G
Agenda
but
tonight
but
I'm
here
to
advocate
for
the
senior
center
our
space.
We
have
our
rumors.
You
know
that
we
were
being
displaced,
and
so
we
don't
worry
about
that
and
I've
talked
individually
with
the
council
members
and
received
refillings
that
were
not
being
displaced,
but
it
sure
would
be
nice
to
have
it
in
the
minutes.
B
Yep
happy
to
help
ensure
you
all
in
any
way
shape
or
form
that
we
possibly
can,
as
I
had
mentioned
at
our
last
budget
hearing
that
we
had
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I've
I've
shared
in
other
places.
Our
Council
here
has
been
absolutely
committed
to
continuing
the
the
senior
center
as
it
has
been.
We
need
to
contractually
in
a
in
a
way
if
you
will,
through
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
20
20,
23.
B
E
E
If
that
were
the
case,
then
yeah
you
would
you
would
probably
either
depending
how
long
have
to
be
moved
out
of
there
or
just
closed
off
for
a
while,
while
the
renovations
occurred,
but,
as
I
said,
there's
no
firm,
there's
no
firm
plan.
Yet
for
any
of
that,
that's
going
to
be
taking
place
later
this
year,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
been
some
of
the
source
of
the
rumors
that
somehow
got
translated
into
us
saying
we're
going
to
shut
down
the
seniors.
E
F
And
that
that's
phase
two
may
end
up
being
shared
at
different
parts
of
the
day.
We're
not
and
I.
Don't
think
and
I
just
want
to
be
as
clear
as
we
can
we're
really
not
in
a
position
to
leave
space
vacant
so
if,
for
instance,
the
activities
end
at
3,
30
or
4,
there
might
be
another
group
in
there
at
4
30
if
they
need
it
or
on
the
weekends
or
other
times
to
use
the
space
and
I
think
that's
somewhat
happening
now.
F
So
that
could
very
well
continue
or
or
be
ramped
up
a
little
I.
Don't
think
the
intention
would
be
to
displace
anything
that
has
been
set
there
or
leave
it
in
a
condition
that
it
wasn't
found
in
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
just
to
be
transparent.
We're
really
just
not
in
a
place
to
any
more
to
leave
space
vacant
when
we
need
it.
A
I
B
At
that
point
in
time,
whenever
that
decision
would
be
made,
we'd
have
to
address
it
at
that
time.
I
don't
want
to
promise
something
that
I
Then
I
then
or
we
as
a
community
can't
fulfill
so
I,
don't
know
because
I
also
don't
know
the
full
scope
of
the
plans
and
to
whether
the
senior
center
will
be
disturbed
in
any
way.
Those
are
all
possibilities
that
we'll
come
to
when
that
time
comes.
I
I
B
I
know
before
the
municipality
helps
to
provide
these
Services.
You
all
ran
the
senior
center
as
a
non-profit
and
by
no
stretch
of
the
and
by
no
it's
not
a
concern
of
ours.
It's
a
senior
center
wants
to
become
a
private
non-profit
again
more
than
welcome
to.
If
there
are
ways
that
we
can
help
to
support
that
happening
more
than
happy
to
do
that,
it
came
down
to.
There
was
a
point
where
nothing
was
happening.
Somebody
needed
to
help
out,
and
so
we
wanted
to
help
out.
I
I
I
I
Keep
this
organization
applied
and
we
gotta
remember
again:
let's
rebuild
it,
trying
to
get
people
back.
It
isn't
an
opportunity
to
go
somewhere
and
interact
with
other
people.
It's
more
healthy,
yep,
that's
important
to
a
lot
of
scenes
a
long
time.
Our
membership
was
approaching
between
spirit,
it's
going
to
be
a
while
before
you
get
back
up.
So
even
the
doctors.
J
C
B
C
B
C
H
J
Here
in
this
room,
when
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
renovations,
how
long
they
were
going
to
be
how
much
it
was
going
to
cost
how
many
phases-
and
there
was
no
guarantee
in
there-
that
there
would
be
humble
for
the
senior
center
or
the
teen
center.
That's
what
I
remember.
Hearing
I'm
gonna
have
to
find
that
meeting
again
and
listen
to
it
and
see
if
I'm
wrong
and
bring
it
up
next
topic
to
be
heard.
B
I
I'm
a
kind
of
person
where
I
don't
generally
give
guarantees.
Hence
why,
even
to
the
the
question
about
or
what
was
asked
earlier
about
into
the
future,
so
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
and
tell
you
that
I
can
guarantee
that
that
won't
that
their
won't
be
a
day
with
a
senior
center
will
need
to
close
for
a
period
of
time
and
will
not
have
a
home
I.
E
Can
I
can
I
just
I
I,
think
I
I
I,
remember
one
meeting
at
with
John
Alden
that
was
not
too
long
ago
and
I.
Remember
very
specifically
what
I
asked
John
and
it
was
so
if
you,
if
this
would
help
and
I
I
think
it
was
probably
the
only
time
we
had
John
here
to
talk
to
him
about
it
and
I
said
if
you
looked
at
the
part
of
the
building
that
has
the
senior
center
and
is
also
part
of
the
teen
center.
E
E
Could
he
put
keep
the
senior
center
downstairs
where
it
is
but
fit
most
of
the
teen
center
upstairs,
and
he
thought
that
that
you
know
his
his
answer
was
affirmative,
but
nothing
committal,
but
that
might
have
been
I
think
that
was
a
discussion
that
we
had,
but
we
weren't
right
at
that
point
talking
about
moving
moving
them
moving.
Anyone
out,
although,
as
Andrew
said,
we
can't
guarantee
two
or
three
years
into
the
future
that
might
happen,
but
that
was
the
conversation
that
I
remember
took
place
here.
F
And
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
thinking
that's
more
down
the
line.
It
is
a
reality
that
we
need
a
bigger
meeting
space
in
this
building.
This
isn't
enough,
and
that
was
probably
part
of
one
of
the
conversations
we've
had
with
the
architect
which
we're
incredibly
preliminary.
We
don't
have
a
budget,
we
don't
have
a
layout
we've
seen
some
ideas.
F
F
As
we're
starting
out
as
a
new
city,
we've
got
a
lot
to
juggle
without
a
town
partner
anymore,
with
all
that
space,
there
I
think
we're
all
committing
to
having
a
senior
center
I'm
not
going
to
say,
though,
that
in
three
years
it
might
also
be
doing
some
time
at
different
locations
for
different
activities.
I
said
earlier:
I'm
hoping
that
there
be
some
more
creative
programming
where
people
can
get
out
because
you
know
being
a
senior
is
a
very
large
span
of
age
and
there
are
people
that
want
to
do
different
things.
F
I'm
not
going
to
commit,
though,
that
for
25
years
again
that
it's
going
to
be
in
that
very
space,
so
I
I
don't
mean
that
we're
trying
to
kick
it
out,
but
we're
trying
to
do
anything
to
have
it
leave.
But
we
will
always
have
a
space.
I.
Think
in
my
mind,
for
a
senior
center
and
we're
always
going
to
commit
to
to
supporting
them
I.
F
I
I
don't
see
how
we
could
otherwise
approach
this,
but
I
hope
that's
enough
that
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
not
just
that
it's
enough,
but
I
hope
that
reassures
people
that
we
are
committed
to
this.
We
find
it
important
speaking
for
myself.
I
find
it
incredibly
important
social
isolation.
I
think
Andrews
brought
this
up
before
is
a
real
big
deal,
so
I
just
I
want
to
be
very
transparent
that
you
know
there's
a
lot.
F
We
have
to
figure
out
and
we
don't
have
the
space
we
used
to
have
to
do
a
lot
of
these
things.
There's
a
lot
of
exciting
things
coming
up,
though,
in
terms
of
spaces
being
vacated
in
three
to
five
years
and
other
spaces
that
might
come
up
so
I
think
it
does
sound
scary,
but
I
also
think
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
opportunity
to
improve
what
we
already
have
and
I
think
that's
always
going
to
be.
The
focus
for
me
is
to
figure
out
yeah,
okay.
I
J
M
It
doesn't
work
for
everyone,
because
there
were
medical
reasons
and
things
that
prevent
people
from
being
able
to
use
that
my
mother
was
sitting
here
a
couple
years
ago.
She
had
a
baby
and
she
had
physically
has
a
hard
time.
Movement
and
the
senior
bus
was
delightful
thoughts
so
that
she
talks
about
it
and
I
think
that
while
I
respect,
100
hear
you
and
know
that
you
really
do
mean
what
you're
saying
now
conceptual
conversation
is
not
something
that
has
enough
traction
to
push
forward.
M
Pass
you
off
being
seated
here
at
this
table,
and
things
happen,
things
change
and
I.
Think
if
you
can
do
the
best
you
can
to
dedicate
money.
Your
thing
we
don't
know
if
the
body
I
don't
think
we
should
say
about
singers.
We
don't
know
if
the
budget
can
support
I
think
about
seniors.
We
must
say
the
budget
voted
for
what
that
means.
M
You
know
depends
on
the
budget
here,
but
I
think
that
a
more
dedicated
line,
item
or
dedicated
conversation
than
a
more
dedicated
factual
traction
is
more
reassuring
to
people
who
dedicated
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
to
our
community.
The
fact
that
our
seniors
once
drove
hard
towards
the
501c3.
That's
a
lot.
That's
a
lot
to
ask
anyone
to
do
I,
don't
think
we
should
go
in
that
direction
and
pick
out
our
budget
should
support
our
seniors.
L
Yeah,
the
only
I
guess
it's
senior
senior
night.
The
only
thing
I'd
add
is
it's
great-
that
the
proposed
staff
member
for
Essex,
Junction,
Parks
and
Recreation
I,
just
currently
I
think
it's
two
from
the
town
and
part
of
their
responsibilities
there.
It
is
kind
of
maintain
the
senior
center
and
so
I
know
just
from
so
sometimes
escorting
somebody
down
at
the
senior
center.
Sometimes
it's
been
closed.
Yeah
just
you
know
either
you
know
they
had
other
something
else
came
up.
B
A
K
The
senior
center
jointly
between
you
and
the
town
are
working
right
now
and
I
believe
that
the
town
actually
manages
the
senior
center
programming
oversight
and
also
own
the
buses
and
run
the
buses,
and
that
the
village
is
providing
space
and
whatever
support
they
can
do.
We
does
anybody,
know
what
the
challenge
Flames
are
I.
B
They
have
they've
had
their
budget
meetings.
I
have
not
attended
them.
Our
agreement
with
them
provides
a
level
of
services
that
we
currently
have
through
this
calendar
year.
After
that,
that's
up
for
them
to
decide
as
a
town
select
board
what
to
do
for
their
residents
and
I.
Don't
know
what
that
is.
D
I
C
O
And
cheese,
so
it's
been
very
challenging,
be
a
partnership
between
the
town
and
the
seniors
and
I
have
to
commend
the
city
for
I.
Think
they've
done
everything
that
they
promised.
They
won't
do
for
the
seniors
by
providing
a
beautiful
space
that
they've
had
pandemic
has
been
terrible
and
Carl's
absolutely
right.
O
It's
we're
in
a
rebuilding
process
and
I
think
the
way
what
George
is
saying
is
that
all
this
positive
information
I
know
there's
three
plans
for
this
space.
Now
the
seniors
are
totally
out
of
the
loop
of
what's
happening,
and
so,
when
staff
members
go
into
the
community
and
say
the
seniors
are
out
they've
got
to
have
space.
O
O
I
just
feel
like
it's
really
a
great
it's
great
to
hear.
You
say
that
the
communication
partnership
has
got
to
build
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
great
sense
of
strength
for
the
seniors
and
they're
going
to
feel
encouraged,
and
you
know
just
to
rebuild
our
relationship.
I
think
they've
had
a
good
relationship
with
the
city
and
I
I.
Just
I
just
feel
like
the
communication
is
going
to
be
very
important
because,
with
the
town
staff
there
we
have
no
communication.
A
E
O
O
C
P
P
We
ask
other
communities
when
we
get
a
head
count
of
where
they
are.
If
they
can
participate
in
helping
run
this
organization,
which
would
actually
make
it
better
because
then
it's
not
just
10
000
people
trying
to
run
it.
Maybe
we're
talking
30
000
people
between
the
other
communities
trying
to
help
run
this
years.
M
B
An
adult
Services
director,
that's
as
much
as
is
defined
as
of
today,
so
there's
no
job
description.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Regina,
there's
no
job
description
right
now.
This
is
something
that
is
being
proposed
to
us
in
this
budget.
If
this
budget,
as
is
currently
in
front
of
us,
ends
up
being
passed,
then
staff
would
go
forward
with
the
the
portion
of
putting
together
a
job
description
and
all
that
type
of
stuff
you're.
M
M
C
C
B
When
so,
this
is,
this
is
getting
us
into
the
conversation
about
our
budget,
which
is
we're
going
to
be
having
once
this
part
can
end.
So
if
these
questions
are
going
to
continue
about
the
budget,
I
would
ask
to
hold
on
until
we
can
then
get
into
the
budget
conversation.
So
we
can
then
talk
about
that
more
broadly.
M
Q
Oops
good
evening,
thank
you
for
feeling
my
questions
first
thing
I
want
to
do.
Ask
was
I,
wanted
to
verify
how
the
city
collected
its
data
regarding
the
value
of
the
senior
bus
and
how
many
of
the
residents
were
riding
it,
because
I
was
able
to
obtain
a
public
record
request,
and
it
shows
that
for
the
fiscal
year
2020
it's
up
to
date.
Data
wasn't
used
when
calculating
the
value
of
the
senior
bus,
because
it
seems
like
more
than
10
to
15.
Individuals
would
be
using
that
to
make
that
many
trips.
B
Q
The
problem,
as
mentioned
by
another
Resident,
is
that
the
ssta
requires
for
you
to
be
disabled.
You
have
to
have
a
doctor's
note,
so
it's
it's
far
more
restrictive
than
the
senior
bus
program.
So
my
question
is:
how
will
the
city
address
the
needs
of
the
seniors,
who
need
the
program
and
qualify
for
the
senior
bus,
but
don't
qualify
for
ssta.
B
B
H
D
Okay,
so
I'm
Gonna,
Get
Us
started
on
this
is
the
same
presentation
that
we
did
at
the
last
meeting.
Is
that
working
right
now
there
we
go
okay,
okay,
so
the
budget
that
we
have
prepared.
So
far
again
we
have
talked
about
this
a
few
times
through
the
process,
but
there
is
no
exact
comparison
for
a
new
city
budget.
The
best
comparison
is
the
FY
22
mock
City
budget.
That
was
done.
We
applied
an
eight
percent
inflation
rate
to
that
budget.
D
D
Stormwater
that
used
to
be
done
in
the
town
budget.
We've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
on
the
city
Side
to
meet
our
permit
requirements,
Essex
rescue
costs
are
going
up,
and
so
that's
the
increased
cost
to
that
Essex
Junction
Cemetery
Association,
some
shifting
of
the
Memorial
Day
parade
and
Fourth
of
July
to
some
of
the
general
fund
and
the
capital
transfer
that
we
put
into
place
to
really
support
the
solid
Capital
program
that
we
do
here.
D
So
this
is
a
true
comparison,
so
what
City
residents
are
paying
today
is
the
0.9298
combined
tax
rate
between
the
city
and
the
town,
but
we
are
proposing
in
this
city.
Only
budget
for
fy24
is
a
0.9432
proposed
tax
rate
and
that's
a
1.4
percent
increase
and
so
for
a
280
000
home.
That's
37,
51
more
than
what
they're
paying
today.
D
D
So
Administration
you
see
that
new
full-time
Administrative
Assistant
there
legislative,
that's
just
a
new
expense
category
for
the
council
that
we
haven't
had
before
the
finance
staff.
So
that's.
These
positions
are
in
place
now
already
but
they're,
showing
up
in
the
FY
24
budget
as
well
and
information
technology
So.
Currently,
even
today,
we
are
supported
by
the
town
I.T
department
and
we
need
to
migrate
this
spring
to
our
own
ID
department
or
not
Department,
sorry,
our
own
IT
services
and
then
we'll.
D
D
A
D
Health
and
Human
Services-
that's
that's
a
big
one
cost
wise.
It's
got
the
City's
share
of
the
police
department
in
there,
so
the
police
department
is
the
other
big
Department
that
will
remain
shared.
The
agreement
between
the
town
and
the
city
right
now
is
for
a
10-year
agreement
for
keeping
that
as
a
joint
Department.
This
also
has
the
Essex
rescue
amount
in
there.
We
also
have
health
duties,
Health
officer
duties.
D
That's
a
standalone
position
right
now
incorporated
into
one
of
those
Community
Development
staff
positions,
so
that
this
gets
reduced
over
here
on
this
side,
and
you
can
see
the
memberships
for
Green
Mountain
Transit
and
the
Winooski
Valley
Park
District
again,
those
were
dues
that
were
paved
through
the
town
before,
but
we
are
seeing
it
now
in
the
city,
Side
and
then
Public,
Works
and
streets.
So
you
can
just
see
that
costs
are,
are
really
going
up
in
terms
of
supplies
and
services.
There
storm
water.
D
Again
we
did
have
this
on
the
village
side,
it
included
a
portion
of
one
full-time
employee
and
now
we've
really
making
that
program
more
robust
on
the
on
the
city.
Side
changes
in
the
library
budget
include
going
to
10
hours
per
week
for
part-time
staff,
so
they
can
have
four
folks
on
each
shift
and
increasing
collections
for
much
more
digital
in
demand
materials,
so
ejrp
Administration
budget.
D
That
is
not
a
new
position,
we're
just
re-shifting
some
some
duties
there,
and
then
we
have
added
a
new
adult
programming
budget,
and
so
the
concept
here
is
a
full-time
adult
program.
Director
position
it
as
originally
intended.
This
wasn't
just
for
senior
population,
it
was
for
folks.
We
we
serve
a
lot
of
programs
for
kids.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
programs
for
everybody,
who's,
not
a
kid
up
through
seniors.
D
So
that
was
the
the
concept
of
that,
and
also
just
acknowledging
that
that
agreement
with
the
town
is
going
to
end
at
the
end
of
December
2023,
and
it
would
just
help
give
us
some
flexibility
to
figure
out
between
now
and
then
what
or
when
the
budget
is
passed.
And
then
what
really
is
the
right
and
best
thing
and
certainly
have
lots
of
intentions
to
speak
with
the
senior
community
and
figure
out
what
that
looks
like
we
and
then
also
we
have
talked
about
this
before
in
in
looking
at
the
data.
R
So
the
first
three
funds
that
you
see
on
this
sheet
are
funded
by
general
fund
tax
dollars
and
the
other
three
funds
are
funded.
Sorry,
four
funds:
no
three
funds
are
funded
by
Enterprise
rate
charge
to
users
on
those
systems,
so
the
capital
reserve
and
the
Rolling
Stock
funds
are
plans
that
have
been
in
place.
They
are
multi-year
plans
that
existed
that
have
existed
for
a
long
time
and
the
capital
reserve
fund
is
also
reviewed
by
the
capital
committee.
R
R
So
those
projects
that
are
in
the
capital,
reserve
and
Rolling,
Stock
and
egrp
capital
funds
are
all
things
that
have
been
in
the
plans
for
several
years
now:
water,
Wastewater
and
sanitation.
We
did
take
a
really
deep
dive
on
some
of
these
and
are
continuing
to
work
on
them,
but
we
found
that
there
are
definitely
projects
that
need
to
happen,
especially
with
some
of
our
pump
stations
and
things
like
that.
R
R
So
the
Enterprise
funds-
these
four
programs-
are
all
funded
by
user
fees.
So
we
have
the
egrp
program
fund,
water,
Wastewater
and
sanitation.
So
ejrp
has
a
proposed
budget
increase
of
about
12
percent
water,
Wastewater
and
sanitation
anywhere
from
11
to
18
percent
and
we'll
go
into
more
detail
on
the
next
slides
on
those
increases.
R
So
the
primary
driver
in
rate
increases
for
for
the
Wastewater,
water
and
sanitation
funds
are
the
administrative
fees
that
are
charged
to
these
funds,
so
the
administrative
fee
is
basically
the
cost
of
the
admin
staff
and
overhead
for
where
that
staff
is
held,
that
gets
charged
from
the
general
fund
out
to
these
Enterprise
funds.
So
the
Enterprise
funds
basically
cover
some
of
the
cost
of
the
general
fund
staff
Regina
and
myself.
R
The
finance
the
rest
of
the
finance
team
costs
related
to
the
overhead
here
at
Lincoln
and
insurances,
so
the
driver,
the
increase
here,
is
that
in
the
FY
23
budget
process
there
was
a
significant
increase
expected
with
the
calculation.
The
formula
that's
been
used
historically,
and
it
was
decided
by
management
last
year
to
effectively
reduce
that
that
increase
down
to
just
12
percent,
to
be
more
in
line
with
the
the
across
the
board
increase
budget
wise
in
the
general
fund.
R
R
There
are
also
some
increases
in
the
costs
to
operate
our
wastewater
treatment
facility,
so
cost
of
chemicals
and
the
supplies
and
materials
Parts
pieces
for
everything
that
that
we
do
at
that
plant
have
increased
significantly
as
in
addition,
there
are
unfunded
mandates
coming
down
from
the
state
that
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
implement
and
fund,
and
the
only
other
addition
here
is
the
water
fund
debt.
So
the
Main
Street
water
line
project
that
was
approved
at
last
annual
meeting.
R
B
B
If,
after
you
have
after
you
ask
your
questions,
we'll
answer
the
questions
when
you
are
when
your
questions
are
done,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
person.
If
you
have
other
questions
after
that
again,
please
only
expect
to
go
once
and
do
not
expect
to
to
be
called
back
on
a
pawn
again.
So
Jason
I,
see
your
hand
is
up.
I
assume
this
is
the
question
about.
Is
there
a
a
separate
budget
for
the
seniors
that.
J
B
Thank
you
Regina.
So
what
do
you
have
on
the
screen
now?
This
is
the
adults
program.
The
Adult,
Services
Program
budget
in
here
is
the
salary
for
that
program.
Director
potential
benefits
you
know,
other
other
costs
associated
with
that.
The
thing
that
is
not
on
this
portion
of
the
budget
is
there
is
a
special
fund
that
is
holding
approximately
twenty
thousand
dollars
from
when
from
when
the
senior
service
or
when
the
senior
program
came
under
the
municipality.
I
Q
Any
other
questions
I
do
I'm.
Sorry.
My
background
is
in
Biochemistry
and
skydiving.
So
you're,
you
know,
patience
is
appreciated
in
my
lack
of
experience
but
in
general
tax
impact.
The
village
trustees
promised
us
a
seven
percent
reduction
in
taxes
and
we
were
given
a
1.4
percent
increase,
so
the
town
predicted
a
22
percent
increase
and
delivered
a
22
percent
increase.
So
why,
given
the
same
parameters
of
Separation,
I
need
new
hires
fuel
inflation
and
covid
was
the
degree
of
error
so
high
on
this
part
of
the
city,
foreign.
B
There
was
no
error
at
that
point
in
time.
There
was
no
knowledge
that
the
inflation
rate
would
be
what
it
was.
There
was
also
no
promise.
If
you
go
back
through,
you
will
see
and
as
I
was
talking
about
earlier,
I,
don't
promise
and
I
don't
guarantee.
The
only
time
I've
ever
promised
to
my
wife
is
that
I
had
to
happen
to
hold
till
Dusty
was
parked.
B
B
I
I
would
yep
so
they
cut
their
services
they're,
also
using
arpa
funding
to
help
offset
their
tax
rate,
which
means
next
year,
they're
going
to
either
have
to
replace
that
Revenue
with
something
else
or
they're,
then
going
to
have
to
increase
taxes
by
a
different
amount
in
terms
of
their
process.
Beyond
that,
though,
I
would
have
to
point
you
to
the
select
board
to
ask
them
because
I
don't
know
more
than
that.
Q
B
A
B
B
N
E
Could
I
can
I
make
a
just
a
couple
of
comments
here,
Jason,
first
of
all,
I
I
think
that
the
the
rationale
from
the
town's
perspective
is
that
we
paid
those
funds
as
Town
residents
and
I.
Think
that
that's
the
reasoning
that
they
would
use
that
yeah,
you
you,
you
were
part
of
the
town
when
you
paid
into
the
town.
So
now
that
you're
going
your
own
way,
you
don't
you're,
not
Town
residents
anymore.
So
that's
the
logic.
E
Q
Well
again,
my
I've
never
managed
a
municipal
budget
before,
but
my
next
question
is
in
in
regards
to
the
general
found
capital
reserve
and,
as
was
just
mentioned,
we're
currently
in
the
positive
two
hundred
one
thousand
nine
hundred
seventy
six
dollars.
If
I'm
correct
looking
forward
to
fiscal
year,
2028
we're
looking
at
a
deficit
of
just
shy
of
11
million
dollars,
10
million
nine
hundred
eighty
one
thousand
dollars
951..
B
Yeah,
so
that
FY
28
number
is
including
projects
that
do
not
need
to
be
completed
in
fiscal
year
28,
but
are
placeholders
for
projects
at
this
spreadsheet.
Holding
all
the
pro
the
projects
is
much
larger
than
what
you
see
here,
and
so
that's
basically
lumping
everything
that's
out
into
the
future
into
that.
So
in
terms
of
what
we
were
doing
part
of
it
is
a
local
option.
I
G
Adult
programming
director
yep
well
before
it
was
stated
that
there
are
a
lot
of
programs
for
kids,
but
not
so
much
for
people
21
and
over,
and
my
thinking
is
that
the
seniors
really
need
a
full-time
person
and
I.
Don't
I
personally
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
one
of
the
kids
programmers
turn
into.
You
know
somebody
who
works
on
adult
programs
over
at
the
rec
center
and
then
we
could
have
our
own
person
because
we
really
do
need
our
own
person.
You
know
I.
G
B
I
know
that
with
when
Luanne
was
working
for
or
working
with,
the
seniors
that
there
was
nothing
but
Rave
for
what
she
did
the
work
that
she
did
as
well
as
she
put
my
understanding
she
put
in
extra
time
on
her
own
to
come
in
and
spend
more
time
than
what
she
was
paid
for.
Understand
that
I
hear
that
what
I
would
say
is
this
is
year
one
of
us
doing
something
we
can
see
how
this
goes,
and
we
can
always
change
that
in
the
next
budget
year.
B
This
is
a
a
proposal
of
let's
do
something
see
how
that
goes,
and
then,
if
it's
not
going
well
or
if
it
could
be
improved
upon,
let's
have
that
conversation.
I
do
think
it'll
be
important.
That,
as
this
happens,
if
this
budget
passes
to,
let
us
know
how
that's
going
to
make
sure
that,
if
it's
not
going
well
that
we
have
those
conversations
about
how
to
improve
it
for
the
better
grandmother.
C
M
M
M
It
feels
to
me
like
what
you're
asking
of
the
residents
as
taxpayers
is
something
like
Angel
Investors
in
a
startup
you're
asking
us
to
give
money
to
positions
and
committees
that
aren't
defined.
Yet
the
adult
position
doesn't
have
a
job
description.
I
can't
give
you
fifty
six
thousand
dollars
for
it.
Sorry
to
say:
I
wouldn't
do
that
in
any
level
of
business
that
I
participated.
It's
ridiculous!
Sorry,
ridiculous!
Not
a
nice
word!
It's
not!
M
It's
not
a
way
to
do
business
and
it's
not
a
way
to
do
taxes
the
same
true
for
the
Committees
you're,
mentioning
what
committees
might
be
formed
with
the
dollars,
but
there's
no
Clarity
on
which
ones
will
be
formed
and
so
to
Me
Maybe
we
hold
off.
Maybe
we
as
excited
as
we
are
about
all
this
new
stuff.
Maybe
we
figure
out
how
to
define
the
positions
throughout
the
year
and
then
come
back
next
year's
budget
with
a
better
firm
nail
down
description
of
committees
and
jobs
that
you
want
right
now.
M
This
budget
is
full
of
several
items.
Sorry
full
of
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
got
several
items
that
aren't
defined
and
that
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
and
there's
a
lot
of
well.
Let's
see
maybe
we'll
the
seniors
need
definition
for
sure.
I,
don't
know
that
somebody
who's
there
and,
as
you
know,
forming
adult
things,
maybe
that's
basketball
weeks.
Maybe
that's
whatever
I,
don't
know,
I
agree
with
I'm.
Sorry,
I,
don't
know
your
name
Peggy
that
there
needs
to
be
a
clear
definition
for
seniors.
We
need
to
look
after
our
seniors.
M
M
So
I'm
saying
for
myself,
as
you
already
know,
even
if
I
just
walked
in
there
tonight
knew
nothing
about
my
own
feelings
about
the
budget
already
I'm
a
hard,
no
on
a
budget
that
doesn't
clearly
Define
the
Committees
and
positions.
How
many
positions
are
not
defined.
Besides
that
one,
don't
don't
have
job
description
besides
the
adult
one,
the
adult
one
is
a
requisition.
B
The
adult
position
is
a
recreation
position
within
ejrp
I,
don't
believe
the
building
coordination
role
is
is
completely
job
description.
The
administrative
assistant
may
have
an
old
one,
but
I
would
look
to
Regina
to
make
sure
that
that
is
what
updated
and
be
what
it
should
be
code
officer
or
code
enforcement
officer.
I
doubt
has
a
job
description
in
the
planner
I
doubt
it
has
a
job
description.
M
F
C
F
F
Well,
it
was
around
the
stipends
when
we
were
talking
about
stipend,
so
I
think
we
really
need
to
have
some
flexibility
as
we
get
going
to
see
where
attention
is
needed.
We
have
a
finite
amount.
Generally
speaking
of
volunteers
and
people
willing
to
come
forward
and
do
this
work
and
I
can
see
it
sort
of
operating
on
a
quarter
or
half
a
year
year
basis
where
we
have
a
train
station
coming,
we
might
need
some
people
to
do
some
work
around
that
with
us,
and
so
we
might
need
some
flexibility
to
sort
of.
F
Let's
focus
the
people
that
are
energetic
about
working
with
the
city
towards
this
finite,
but
lengthy
project
we
have
and
once
that
project
is
sort
of
wrapping
up,
we
can
move
them
back
towards
Economic
Development
or
move
them
back
towards
the
next
big
project,
which
might
be
a
giant
Development
coming
in
on
Park
Street.
And
how
do
we
interact
with
that
with
the
community?
So
I
think
it's
very
important
to
hear
what
you're
saying
Annie
but
I
think
it's
also
very
important
to
Future
proof
ourselves.
A
F
F
M
M
M
M
Not
fine,
they
don't
have
a
charter,
they
don't
have
a
mission
statement
right.
That's
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
I'm,
not
talking
about
the
Committees!
We
already
have
I'm
talking
about
the
Committees
that
we're
adding
on
that.
Are
that,
where
you're
asking
us
to
again
invest-
and
just
you
know,
it
doesn't
feel
good
to
me.
M
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right
place
to
put
this,
but
raja's
statement
reminded
me
of
it,
and
that
is
that
once
we
agree
to
a
budget
and
money
goes
towards
the
places
it's
going
toward
it,
it's
not
always
and
I'm
sure
it'll
be
new
you're.
Here
you
weren't
here
before
Regina,
sorry,
I
didn't
mean
to
speak.
I
know
I'm
supposed
to
talk
to
you.
Sorry,
the
the
money
that
doesn't
get
used,
then
lands
back
in
the
fun
budget.
M
M
B
M
Me
either
so
what
I'm
saying
is
to
be
fiscally
responsible
myself
in
my
house,
with
my
money,
I'm,
not
ready
to
invest
my
tax
dollars
and
agree
to
this
budget
without
clearly
defined
places
for
that
money
to
go
and
then
a
clear
understanding
at
the
end
of
a
year
in
the
tracking
of
that
money,
how
it
went
where
it
got
turned
down
on
committees
and
how
it
came
back,
which
I,
don't
think
can
really
be
kept
well
with
floating
committees,
I
I,
don't
so!
Thank
you.
B
M
M
No
one
knows
what
anyone
else
is
spending
and
it's
very
hard
to
keep
jack
up,
I'm
sure
that
once
it
gets
to
the
places
it's
supposed
to
get
to
it's
very
well
taken
care
of
I'm,
not
suggesting
it's
not,
but
there's
a
lot
going
on
before
it
gets
there
and
I,
don't
think
I
know
it's
not
well
looked
after
anyway.
Those
are
all
the
things
I
want
to
say.
You
I
mean
you're,
welcome
to
respond
to
me,
but
I
feel
like
I've,
been
talking
a
lot.
B
B
A
B
S
P
Global
foundries
is
not
the
company
we
made
a
tax
deal
with
in
1956,
but
it's
still
one
of
our
largest
properties
and
it's
not
being
taxed
at
the
normal
rate
of
what
we'd
expect
a
resident's
paying
and
definitely
nowhere's
near
what
you'd
expect
a
business
to
pay.
How
did
that
happen?
How
does
a
sale
occur
between
two
different
businesses
and
we
not
end
up
changing
the
tax
rate.
E
Can
I
I
can
give
you
a
very
specific
answer
for
Global
foundries
yep
I.
Don't
want
to
interrupt
your
flow,
but
I
I,
but
Global
foundries
is
in
kind
of
a
separate
category
and
they
go.
They
get
assessed
kind
of
separately.
You
know
how
many
microprocessors
are
there
in
Vermont
there's
only
one,
and
so
how
do
we
go
about
assessing
them
and
they
they
bring
in
their
own
assessment?
P
So
Global
foundries
is
one
entity.
That's
inside
that,
like
acreage
area,
if
you
look
at
the
park,
I
think
the
Signs
Now
up
to
like
seven
names
right
right
but
yeah.
When
you
look
at
like
how
the
assessment
works,
it's
still
being
shown
as
assessed
well
below
its
value
for
even
if
you
were
to
sell
it
by
0.17,
acre
lots,
Parcels,
okay
and
so
like
I.
Think.
If
now
the
idea
I've
heard
is
it's
like
a
it
creates
jobs.
That
sounds
like
a
state
problem,
not
just
an
Essex
Junction
problem.
B
One
thing
I
do
know
unless
I
hear
otherwise
Regina
or
Jess.
If
you
know
my
understanding
is
that
in
this
reassessment,
a
part
of
the
contract
that
was
given,
or
that
was
done
by
the
town-
is
to
have
another
entity,
specifically
who's,
going
to
be
assessing
that
property
by
the
end
of
fiscal
year.
20
fy25
I
believe
I
have
a
year
right,
give
or
take
a
year,
but
that
it
is
one
separate
contract,
basically
with
one
separate
entity
to
do
that
compared
to
all
the
other
assessments.
B
E
But
we
are
kind
of
constrained
because
greater
Burlington,
Industrial
Corporation
really
has
kind
of
a
lock
on
the
development
there
and
that's
a
big
challenge
going
forward
for
this
city
is
how
can
we
kind
of
break
in
there
and
get
between
GB
I'm?
Sorry
for
GB
I,
see
they're
nice
people,
but
I,
don't
see
them
being
aggressive
enough
on
our
behalf
to
develop
that
property
and
I
think
that's
a
challenge
going
forward
for
the
city.
E
P
P
So,
like
I'd,
be
very
careful
of
saying
how
much
people
pay
in
is
how
much
they
should
get
for
their
Community.
But
with
that
we
have
State
Property,
that's
one
of
our
largest
on
West
Street.
Again,
it's
not
bringing
any
value
back
to
us.
We
have
other
municipalities
that
are
holding
properties
in
our
community
that
are
not
bringing
value
back
to
us
and
we
share
a
high
school.
B
That
that
was
intended
also
with
the
local
option
tax
to
try
to
get
from
what
happens
there,
because
their
concert
ticket
sales,
their
food
vendor
sales.
Those
are
the
one
percent
of
that
will
come
back
to
the
city
in
terms
of
some
kind
of
compensation.
The
part
of
it
is
also
a
federal
law
that
prohibits
non-profits
and
government
entities
from
being
taxed
for
on
their
on
their
property.
So
we
we
can't
violate
that.
B
We
can
negotiate
a
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes,
but
that
is
a
negotiation
and,
as
we
saw
with
the
town,
they
can
basically
say
nope
and
we're
kind
of
in
a
difficult
point
at
that
point
with
the
police
department.
My
understanding
is
that
all
of
the
police
officers
from
from
the
Essex
Police
Department,
who
then
go
to
the
fairgrounds
when
there
is
a
giant
event
like
that
they
are
compensated
by
they
do
get
a
bill
from
the
town
to
cve
to
then
pay
the
town
for
their
their
overtime.
It.
B
E
F
At
all,
but
let
me
retake
that
we
are
restricted
into
I,
mean
we're
restricted
to
one
percent
local
option
tax
on
retail,
of
which
we
get
less
than
or
64.
What
is
the
breakdown,
70
60
and
you
know,
I
think
to
really
make
a
dent
in
the
in
the
way
that
you're
talking
about
the
amount
of
retail
we'd
have
to
have
for
that.
One
thing
would
be
enormous.
F
F
Attention
has
been
this
consolidation
effort
and
this
effort
frankly
to
keep
the
budgets
down
so
that
the
town
would
merge,
and
so
we
are
behind
on
ordinance
enforcement
or
behind
on
looking
at
our
ordinances,
we're
behind
on
how
we
how
we
interact
with
our
neighbors
when
we
want
to
enforce
them.
We
have
no
concept
of
how
expensive
it's
going
to
be
for
attorneys
fees.
F
When
somebody
decides
they
don't
want
to
participate
when
to
force
them,
I
mean
so
many
things
we
have
so
many
projects
coming
in
where
the
community
I
mean
I,
just
think
back
to
the
handy
senior
building
over
here
find
project,
but
the
streets,
the
community,
the
neighbors
around
them,
felt
like
they
weren't
communicated
with
or
heard,
and
we
have
enormously.
You
know
exponentially
bigger
projects
potentially
coming,
and
none
of
that
is
waiting.
F
But
this
all
these
things
take
they
take
interaction
with
the
community
with
municipality
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
critically
important
as
we
start
out
the
city
I'm
getting
on
a
tangent,
sorry,
but
it's
critically
important
to
think,
as
we
start
out
the
city
that
we
start
out
ready
to
take
some
of
this
on,
so
we
don't
get
further
behind,
because
I
think
it's
a
lot
of
what
you're
saying
it
just
added
to
this
massive
list.
F
That's
that's
in
my
head,
in
a
notebook
of
what
we've
been
waiting
on,
what
we've
asked
our
neighbors
as
Andrew
mentioned
earlier,
to
wait
on.
Please
be
patient
with
us
as
we
work
through
this,
because
we
have
to
get
this
done
first,
so
yeah
I
think
you
get
complete
agreement
from
everybody
here
that
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
leverage
some
of
that
and
that
that
one
that
even
was
part
of
the
tree
farm
conversation.
F
You
know
and
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
you
know
and
and
that's
another
property
that
that's
a
huge
chunk
that
the
you
know
the
first
time
we
talked
about
Tree,
Farm,
I,
don't
know
it
was
like
80
people
showed
up.
It
felt
like
almost
all
of
them
from
elsewhere,
people
from
Southern,
Vermont
used
it
or
something
you
know
so.
I
totally
hear
you
and
if
you
want
to
participate
in
any
of
those
conversations,
this
is
a
recruiting
question.
So.
E
But
I'll
add
one
thing:
you
know
10
years
ago.
Our
grand
list
was
about
11
million
dollars
10
years
so
10
years
later.
Our
green
list
is
about
11.7.
All
of
that,
virtually
all
of
that
again,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
these
these
multi-story
buildings
that
are
going
in
here,
the
the
in
the
Improvement
in
the
property
value.
That's
the
that's
the
very
small
little
economic
engine
that
we
have
driving
our
grand
list.
E
It
is
a
concern
because
that's
not
a
big
horse
to
be
riding
into
the
future
and
when
we
see
big
increases
in
our
budget,
you
know
when
the
budget's
going
up
like
this
and
the
grand
list
is
just
barely
keep
yeah.
No,
we
do
need
to
increase
our
grand
list,
but
and
I'm
I'm,
a
big
advocate
for
really
pushing
because
for
the
immediate
future,
that's
where
we're
going
to
be
really
really
improving.
Our
grand
list
is
be
to
increase
the
development.
The
Redevelopment
of
these
older
properties
in
the
downtown
yeah.
P
E
E
B
Right
and
the
only
last
one
I
want
to
make
is
I.
I
know.
One
of
the
things
that
Amber
has
talked
about
year
after
year
is
increasing
our
the
fees
that
we
charge
for
development,
and
that
was
something
that
was
supposed
to
happen
a
couple
years
ago.
Didn't
happen,
so
this
year
is
also
included
is
to
help
increase
those
fees
that
we
get
from
people
proposing
new
development
to
better
align
with
what
the
market
is
granted.
It's
a
drop
in
the
bucket
in
the
overall
budget.
P
J
D
I
B
N
The
state
was
willing
to
power
that
piece
of
property,
and
we
jumped
right
on
that
and
I
think
we
had
an
agreement.
It
would
be
turned
over
to
the
wheels
turned
slowly,
but
it
was
going
to
be
turned
over
to
the
Village
I,
don't
think
with
any
strings.
At
times
we
might
have
to
pay
a
dollar
or
pay
something
for
it,
but
that
didn't
really
materialize
because
the
people
working
there
and
the
various
State
agencies
they
seem.
N
N
I'm
not
throwing
that
out
as
a
criticism.
It's
just
a
point
of
information,
I
go
in
there
and
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
lot
of
people
in
there
anymore.
I
just
wander
in.
You
know,
random
and
check
the
papers
and
maybe
see
what
the
new
book
selection
is,
but
we
all
seem
to
be
doing
some
good.
There
is
that
that
seems
problem
with
other
departments
within
the
City.
B
N
N
I,
don't
know
why
the
C
just
lost.
It's
probably
not
a
bad
idea
that
it
did
come
over
here.
Words
hopefully
safer,
but
it
was
funds.
I
told
the
city
manager
here
a
little
while
ago,
but
those
funds,
we're
left
by
seniors,
I,
think
they're,
mostly
women,
they're
two
women
in
their
Wills
in
one
of
those
20
plus
thousand
and
one
of
something
less
yep,
and
we
did
use
some
of
that
money.
N
N
B
N
N
N
But
I
mean
I
think
they're
willing
to
cut
some
slack
yep.
You
know
that
otherwise
they
might
be
a
little
more
aggressive
about
yeah
and
the
other
thing
about
the
budget.
None
of
us
can
do
it
and
about
it.
There
are
people
in
this
community
like
every
other
that
are
a
lot
that
are
hurting
yeah.
They
are
hurting,
they
can't
pay
their
I
know
our
church
over.
Here
they
have
a
fund.
They
help
try
to
pay
some
of
the
the
heating.
J
A
N
N
K
Get
you
guys
out
of
here
after
three
hours,
I
I
just
wanted
to
be,
or
maybe
some
clarifying
information
from
a
conversation
that
happened
earlier
on
the
budget.
There
are
three
committees
that
are
identified
that
potentially
are
going
to
be
put
in
place
that
are
not
formed
at
the
moment.
Correct.
They
don't
apparently
exist
but
could
potentially
be
in
the
budget.
Yes,
I
feel
like
they're.
The
names
of
these
committees
could
just
could
somebody
remind
me
of
them,
one
of
them
as
a
record
advisory,
Council.
K
And
energy,
so
I
feel
like
there's
some
description
within
the
name.
My
my
question
is:
if
we
don't
put
them
in
the
budget,
let's
say
we
vote
down
the
budget
because
we
don't
want
you
to
put
that
money.
If
we
don't
put
that
money
in
the
budget,
what
would
be
the
earliest
that
these
committees
could
be
put
in
place
to
help
us?
Would
that
be
July
of
or
July
24th
June.
B
Of
24th,
it's
a
great
question.
The
one
of
the
joys
of
public
budgeting
for
a
municipality
is
that
this
process
starts
in
advance
and
if
we,
basically,
we
have
to
budget
for
the
worst
case
budget
for
the
highest
amount,
we
think
we
might
need
because
come
July
1.
If
we
don't
have
that,
we
can't
do
it
because
I
I.
K
So
that's
the
way
that
a
budget
would
work
correct
that
we
would
need
to
get
this
money
in
place
so
that
if
we
were
able
to
define
the
parameters
of
committees
or
this
adult
Recreation
position,
we
would
need
the
money
in
place
so
that
we
could
enact
them
in
a
timely
manner
to
serve
our
community.
It's.
B
K
And
those
committees
wouldn't
actually
be
in
place.
Obviously
we
need
them
they've
been
identified.
These
are
committees
that
we're
going
to
have
to
put
in
place.
Those
committees
wouldn't
be
put
in
place
until
the
parameters
of
what
their
responsibilities
would
be,
including
the
adult
program
person
right
right,
those
those
job
descriptions
and
those
parameters
would
be
put
in
place.
B
Once
the
money,
once
it's
known,
that
the
money
is
going
to
be
there,
then
we
could
take
the
time
to
do
that.
Personally,
speaking,
I
don't
want
to
spend
the
time
creating
a
committee
creating
a
job
description,
doing
those
kinds
of
things
if
we
aren't
going
to
have
the
funding
there,
because
otherwise
I'm
going
to
be
spent
doing
other
things.
Thank.
B
C
C
D
I
will
say
a
few
words,
so
Chris
Ewan
started
on
February
6th
I
think
it
was,
and
it's
been
so
awesome.
It's
really
been
a
huge
help.
So
far
we
have
already
thought
through
some
process
improvements
on
the
internal
drb
review
front,
as
well
as
the
development
review
board
front,
to
try
to
get
ahead
of
some
of
these
sort
of
problems
that
have
been
having
happening
on
the
back
end,
and
it's
just
been
really
great.
A
S
Over
the
the
last
year,
I've
pivoted
more
towards
active
Transportation
before
landing
here
at
the
city,
where
I'm
very
excited
to
to
participate
and
be
a
part
of
the
conversations
about
expanding
housing
options
and
working
through
other
transportation
and
and
planning
goals
and
the
housing
goals
that
we
have
in
the
city
so
feel
free
to
contact
me
at
any
time.
If
you
have
questions
about
planning
about
Community,
Development
and
I
will
make
sure
to
get
the
best
answers.
S
Well,
previous
to
this,
I
was
I
was
actually
in
Portland
Oregon,
where
I've
spent
five
years
and
previous
to
that
so
I,
basically
I
grew
up
in
in
Vancouver
BC
in
Canada,
I
was
actually
born
in
Hong
Kong.
Let's
say:
I've
spent
a
fair
share
of
time
and
a
bunch
of
different
places.
You
know
on
mostly
on
this
continent.
S
I
think
learning
about
all
the
the
existing
rules
and
why
they're
that
why
they
exist,
trying
to
get
a
history
on.
You
know
the
intent
of
different
regulations
in
their
land
developments
code
and
and
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
what
what
the
community
wants
going
forward,
especially
with
the
what
the
proposed
changes
you
know
updates
to
to
the
LDC
and
you
know,
and
how
that
relates
to
the
official
plan.
B
S
B
F
F
S
Well,
yes,
I'm
thrilled
to
be
here
and
I'm,
certainly
catching
up
on
reading
up
on
those
proposed
amendments
right
now
and
also
comparing
them
to
what
I
know
from
Best
Practices
from
cities.
You
know
around
around
the
region
and
around
the
country.
So
yes,
we'll
I'm,
happy
to
be
in
touch
about
that
and
when
and
we'll
be
moving
that
to
council
when,
when
we're
ready
to
do
so
great.
D
B
Great
sounds
good.
Thank
you,
Regina
Chris,
thank
you
for
for
applying
and
saying
yes
to
the
the
job
opportunity
thrilled
that
you're
here
and
thrilled
to
see
and
hear
more
from
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Chris,
and
so
next
up
we
have
the
fiscal
year.
2022
audit
report
with
Bill
Kaiser
I,
say
that
that's
your
last
name
right
great.
Yes,.
T
R
So
it
took
a
little
bit
longer
than
normal,
thanks
to
bill
for
his
patience
and
helping
me
work
through
this
process
and
also
like
I
mean
I.
Just
I
came
to
the
Village
to
the
city,
obviously,
and
looked
at
financials
before
I
even
applied
for
the
job
here,
the
city
has
always
been
a
community
that
others
look
to
and
an.
R
T
T
T
The
big
difference
between
the
2021
audit
and
the
Village
audit
for
2022
you'll
notice.
There
wasn't
a
single
audit
for
this
fiscal
year,
a
single
audits
required
if
there
are
Grant
expenditures
of
over
750
000
and
the
village
fell
under
that
threshold
this
year.
The
big
difference
in
a
single
audit
is
the
testing
of
internal
controls
and
making
sure
that
the
internal
controls
are
adequately
in
place.
While
an
audit
still
performs
walkthroughs
of
internal
controls,
it's
not
the
actual
testing
of
those
controls.
T
However,
we
did
do
some
testing.
When
we
first
started
the
audit
we
were
under
the
impression
there
would
be
a
single
audit
that
later
on
changed.
Overall,
though
we
didn't
know
that
Jess's
in
the
internal
controls
in
place
for
the
Village
were
sound
and
just
as
an
audit
I
wanted
to
remind
the
council
that,
while
we
are
performing
many
walk-throughs
throughout
our
audit
testing,
the
audit
necessarily
is
not
designed
to
prevent
or
detect
fraud.
T
If
that
fraud,
if
fraud
was
found
during
the
audit,
we
would
certainly
bring
it
to
the
council's
attention.
No
such
issues
were
noted
this
year,
and
the
purpose
of
the
audit
mainly
is
to
just
ensure
that
the
financial
statements
are
not
misleading
and
that
they're
materially
fairly
stated
from
a
financial
standpoint
and
with
the
unmodified
opinion,
we
had
no
such
issues
where
the
financial
statements
currently
are
not
materially
misstated.
T
The
government-wide
financial
statements,
as
we've
met,
I've
talked
about
in
the
past
years,
are
on
the
accrual
basis
of
accounting,
similar
to
the
way
a
business
would
report
its
financials.
The
net
investment
at
Capital
assets
is
22
million
dollars
of
the
20,
just
over
25
million
dollars.
In
total
net
position
for
the
government
funds,
you
will
notice
that
the
village
at
June,
30
2022,
has
a
very
low
cash
balance
of
just
over
a
thousand
dollars.
T
I
want
to
note
that,
because
right
now
there
is
a
receivable
due
a
due
to
from
the
town
of
just
over
around
10.3
million
dollars,
so
that
is
cash
that
is
available
to
The
Village
on
in
the
town's
funds,
with
the
separation
currently
in
process,
the
village
has
established
some
bank
accounts.
However,
as
of
now,
those
funds
have
not
been
fully
transferred
over.
Just
because
the
village
is
working
out,
some
implementation
on
software
for
AP
processing,
mainly
but
I
I,
spoke
with
Jess
recently
and
I.
T
Think
the
plan
is
to
have
all
a
lot
of
the
cash
back
back
in
to
the
into
the
city
before
fiscal
year.
2023
you'll
also
see
that
the
town
is
still
maintaining
it's.
The
accounts
receivable
on
property
taxes
for
the
Village,
and
it
is
expected
that,
as
of
July
1st
2023
for
fiscal
year
2024.,
those
receivables
will
be
going
back
onto
the
village
side
as
well.
So
next
year
is
Financial
State.
All
right.
T
T
There
is
an
increase
in
deferred
revenue
from
prior
Year,
and
that
is
due
to
the
arpa
funds
that
were
received
of
about
1.6
million
dollars
through
June,
30th
and
I.
Think
the
council
has
not
there's
been
no
approved
use
of
those
funds
yet,
but
it
is
disclosed
in
the
footnotes
that
those
are
available
to
be
spent
in
future
years.
T
The
equity
restrictions
for
the
fund
balance
you
can
find
on
pages
27
and
28,
and
this
is
the
earnings
from
past
years
that
are
available
to
be
spent
going
forward.
The
village
currently
has
a
general
fund
balance
of
822
thousand
dollars
and
of
that
amount
about
just
over
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
has
been
assigned
for
a
specific
future
expenditures.
I
believe
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
is
assigned
specifically
for
the
50
plan
deficit
for
2023,
a
budget
budgeted
fund
deficit
in
2023.
T
T
The
proprietary
funds
are
the
next
set
of
financial
statements.
These
are
more
business
funds
and
meant
to
be
self-sustaining.
They
contain
consist
of
the
Water
Sanitation
and
Wastewater
funds
as
well
as
ejrp.
All
of
those
funds
in
2022
resulted
in
a
positive
increase
in
net
position,
and
then
those
financial
statements
are
followed
by
the
footnotes.
T
These
are
more
detailed
explanations
of
many
of
the
numbers
in
the
financial
statement
balances
more
specifically,
the
allocations
of
fund
balances,
the
fund,
balance
assignments,
Capital
asset
details
and
a
summary
of
the
debt
held
by
The
Village.
At
your
end,
those
footnotes
are
followed
by
then
required
supplementary
information
and
other
additional
supplementary
schedules.
Probably
the
most
useful
as
a
member
of
the
community
would
be
the
budget
to
actual
schedules
which
is
required.
Supplementary
information.
T
B
R
Basically,
that's
my
report
that
I
prepared
that
summarized
with
all
of
this
other
Gobbledy
book
at
the
end
that
no
one
can
understand
translating
it
to,
and
even
still
it's
not
super
easy
for
everyone
to
understand.
So
that
has
been
updated.
It
is
included
in
the
hard
copies
that
we
have
available
here
at
the
office.
D
R
T
E
B
T
T
There
was
no
disclosure
in
our
opinion,
for
any
issues
that
we
found
where,
for
example,
we
found
a
material
misstatement
in
the
town,
The
Village
did
not
want
to
make
the
adjustment
to
correct
the
misstatement.
There
were
no
significant
internal
control
issues
that
we
were
made
aware
of
during
the
audit
procedures,
great
and
and
no
significant
material
adjustments
that
were
made.
B
T
One
is
the
cleanliness
of
the
audit
or
the
trial
balance
before
we
start
the
audit,
especially
in
the
general
fund,
I,
think
when
you
look
month
to
month
and
track
your
budget
and
the
specifically
the
department
heads
are
tracking
their
budget
on
a
month-to-month
basis.
The
numbers
from
my
from
what
I'm
looking
at
are
accurate,
so
we're
not
coming
into
the
audit
and
seeing
it
a
lot
of
errors
that
we're
having
to
adjust.
T
Second
I
I
would
say
the
dedication
of
the
staff
that
I
had
noticed
from
Jess
and
her
commitment
to
working
with
Courtney
at
the
Town
throughout
the
year,
as
well
as
Dan
during
the
audit.
He
Dan
is
the
new
town
finance
director
they're,
still
having
to
work
together
and
with
the
accounts
payable
and
I,
think
that
that
is
a
big
part
of
2022's
audit
and
still
in
2023.,
so
I
think
that's
another
highlight.
B
That's
great
great
I,
appreciate
that
my
my
last
question
I'll
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
other
counselors.
Here.
I've
asked
this
in
previous
years
as
well,
especially
as
we've
gone
through
separation.
I
assume,
you
can
confirm
that
it's
very
easy
to
tell
which
dollars
are
at
this
point
in
time,
Village
dollars
and
which
dollars
are
Town
dollars
and
that
that
is
all
very
well
and
cleanly
accounted
for
and
there's
no
concern.
That's
all
dollars
for
the
village.
T
Yes,
everything
that
we
looked
at,
we
did
not
see
any
such
issues,
they're,
actually
very
easy
to
identify
with
the
GL
account
coding.
The
town
has
a
specific
three-digit
code
and
the
village
has
its
own
three-digit
code,
one
one
starting
with
200,
the
other,
with
100.
and
over
the
course
of
the
audit.
T
We
look
at
many
invoices,
some
material,
others
not
as
material
but
so
large
and
small
dollar
value
invoices,
and
we
did
not
come
across
anything
where
it
was
allocated
to
the
town
for
inappropriately
allocated
to
the
Village
as
well.
Great
I
will
also
note
on
that.
There
are
due
to
do
froms
that
Trend.
T
B
B
R
The
only
thing
I'll
draw
attention
to
because
it
did
happen
during
this
fiscal
year-
is
that
the
so
again
last
annual
meeting
voters
did
approve
to
increase
the
fun
unassigned
fund.
Balance
policy
to
15
previously
had
been
10,
so
we
that
is
Incorporated
in
the
mdna
and
in
the
the
audit
footnotes
and
everything
this
year
as
well.
Great.
J
A
B
D
D
Some
of
that
is
around
actual
expenses
for
the
election.
For
the
last
two
years,
those
costs
have
been
larger
than
the
15
000
budgeted
and
we've
been
able
to
look
and
check
to
make
sure
that
the
share
of
the
school
district
is
accounted
in
that
number,
and
so
we
still
think
that
you
need
to
add
that
17
000
in
there
we've
talked
about
the
what
we're
estimating
to
be
about
ten
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
for
the
additional
committees.
J
R
I
was
very
excited
to
dig
into
this
one,
so
we
have
under
our
belt
now
a
full
quarter
of
local
option
tax
revenue
and
for
the
quarter
October
through
December.
We
came
in
at
just
about
200
and
240
800
dollars,
so
I've
been
back
and
forth
with
my
contact
at
the
state
and
her
and
I
kind
of
hashed
out
a
method
to
to
project
a
Year's
worth
of
Revenue,
and
so
with
her
coordination.
R
We
are
now
safe
to
assume
that
our
annual
revenue
could
be
about
745
000
and
basically,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
taking
that
one
quarter
that
we
know
of
so
far
factoring
that
that
includes
holiday
sales,
so
that
quarter
is
higher
than
what
we
would
normally
see.
So
what
we
did
was
we
took
the
other
three
quarters
of
the
year
reduced
that
number
by
30
percent
to
come
up
with
the
annual
amount.
R
B
K
E
You
guys
I
I,
know
that
probably
there's
all
kinds
of
plans
of
what
we
can
do
with
the
money
as
soon
as
we
get
but
I
think
you
would
agree
with
me
that
the
biggest
thing
that
that
we
can
do
with
a
great
big
chunk
of
that
money
is
start
tucking.
It
away,
because
you've
got
altogether
looks
like
about
seven
million
dollars
in
capital,
project
fees
and
and
I'll
tell
you.
E
Andrew
knows
we
back
in
2012,
took
out
a
11
took
out
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
Bond,
because
the
prior
to
that
prior
boards
have
kept
taking
all
the
capital
project
lists
and
pushing
them
and
pushing
them
and
pushing
them.
And
all
of
a
sudden
we
were
at
the
foot
of
the
mountain.
We
couldn't
push
him
anymore
and
the
only
way
we
get
on
top
of
it
was
to
take
a
bond
and
I
would
as
I
leave
the
board
the
best
advice.
E
I
could
give
the
rest
of
you
please
take
as
much
of
that
money
and
don't
think
of
new
stuff.
You
can
do
with
it.
Stick
it
away
in
a
capital
Improvement
fund,
because
you're
going
to
need
it
and,
as
I've
said
before,
one
big
rain
event
like
happened
two
years
ago,
and
that
was
a
that
was
a
major,
a
bullet
that
we
dodged,
because
FEMA
came
in
and
wrote
a
million
dollar
check,
but
that
that
would
have
that
would
have
taken
everything
out
of
your
Capital.
E
You
would
have
had
nothing
and
you
would
have
had
to
take
out
a
bond
because
you
can't
have
a
whole
part
of
the
city
just
cut
off
by
flood
water.
So
please
keep
keep
your
keep
your
pre
your
Capital
project
list
in
mind.
Don't
don't
get
get
real
excited
about
this
because
you're
going
to
think
how
much.
G
R
B
B
The
potential
need
for
for
the
additional
space
you
mentioned
that
somewhere
between
that
that
six
and
twelve
thousand
that's
one
of
those
things
where
I
think
that
having
to
take
some
time
to
think
about
what
might
be
realistic,
what
might
be
needed?
How
much
that
might
I
would
look
for
you
to
try
to
bring
that
into
something
a
little
bit
closer
and
say.
A
B
And
I
guess
even
just
to
further
one
of
the
things
in
our
our
packet
here
is
that
we
can
either
approve
the
budget
tonight
or
we
can
wait
until
March,
8th
personally
I'd
like
to
see
us
wait
until
March
8th
use
every
moment.
We
can
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
best
budget
in
front
of
us
that
we've
received
all
the
public
input
that
we
can
in
this
process
and
then
on
that
March
8th
meeting.
That's
the
deadline.
We
must
make
a
decision
at
that
point
in
time.
Yep.
B
B
So
on
this
portion,
typically
we've
had
our
discussions.
We've
then
turned
it
over
to
public
comment.
Do
you
want
to
flip
this
a
little
bit
differently
see
if
we
have
any
other
comment
that
we
haven't
already
received
in
the
budget
and
then
have
our
discussion
sure
sound
good?
It's
a
little
crazy
yeah.
A
B
A
M
B
M
M
It's
not
something
that
you
are
owed
to
build
the
city
that
you
want
to
build.
It's
money
that
we're
paying
taxes
entrusted
to
you
to
look
after
so
I
think,
quite
honestly,
right
now,
the
way
that
the
money
is
being
included
does
it
feel
like
you'd,
be
really
not
not
only
your
particular
in
your
responsibility.
M
It
feels
very
much
as
more
money
being
abused,
Monopoly
money
and
it's
very
exciting
to
have
the
new
city
and
it's
free
we're
all
wrong
and
thrilled
about
it,
but,
quite
frankly,
882
000
in
a
fund
budget,
that's
almost
a
million
dollars
and
I
can't
believe
that
I
personally
voted
up
on
budget
to
15
percent
of
sitting
here,
kicking
myself
a
little
bit.
But
quite
frankly,
you
know
they're
slowed
down.
B
Yes,
we
would
not
have
had
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
it
would
have
taken
to
do
that,
and
so
this
is
a
portion
as
to
why
the
best
practices
within
the
government
Accounting
Standards,
is
to
go
to
15
to
25
for
fund
balance.
So
I
hear
you
saying
that
you
feel
that
it's
a
slush
fund
trying
to
use
your
your
word,
that
is
the
experts
telling
us
that
the
very
minimum
as
to
what
this
should
be
and
we're
at
that
very
minimum
low
end.
B
M
M
It
feels
like
I
said:
I,
don't
need
to
repeat
it
again.
It
doesn't
feel
like
we're
really
and
truly
understanding,
I'm,
probably
not
Landing.
My
comments
in
exactly
the
right
space
that
I
appreciate
interaction
about
the
unbalance
but
I'm,
just
thinking
to
myself,
money
up
front
for
unfair
I'm,
just
not
I'm
not
here,
for
it
thanks.
A
D
Other
questions
can
I
just
I
think
this
is
relevant,
that
there's
a
distinction
between
that
full
822
000
and
the
actual
unassigned,
so
there's
much
less,
which
is
only
actually
7.26
percent
of
our
FY
23
budget.
So
we're
we're
really
pretty
low
in
comparison
to
what
we
even
had
as
a
policy
before
I.
B
C
B
A
dude
you
could
do
bigger,
so
in
the
fund
balance
we
can
have
funds
that
are
set
aside
for
some
purposes
and
some
that
are
not
set
aside.
The
ones
that
are
set
aside
are
for
things
like
Health
reimbursement,
accounts
termination
benefits.
So,
if
somebody's
going
to
leave,
we
can
then
make
sure
that
we
have
the
benefits
or
the
funding
to
pay
them
for
their
time
that
they
are
due
for
like
a
crude
sick
time.
Things
like
that.
B
M
B
V
Thank
you.
It
is
me
sorry,
I
I
know
you've
gone
over
this
so
many
times
and
I
greatly
appreciate
it
last
year,
for
example,
right
around
this
time
there
was
a
discussion
about
whether
we
should
be
purchasing,
masks
and
I
believe
that
that
ended
up
not
happening,
but
there
was
an
earmarked
amount
for
those
masks.
V
G
B
V
Okay,
thank
you.
So
some
things
do
some
things.
Don't
Grant
funds,
arpa
Etc
is
handled
differently
than
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
anything
okay.
If
we
were
able
to
have
done
the
kind
of
party
sort
of
annual
event
where
we'd
have
dinner
and
there'd
be
funds
for
that.
If
we
this
year,
when
we
didn't
do
it,
if
we
had
had
money
put
aside
for
it,
it
would
then
go
into
this
sort
of
General
rainy
day.
Kind
of
fun
am
I
at
all
close.
B
B
F
Yeah,
you
know
I've
done
a
lot
of
speaking
with
people
in
the
community
and
listened
to
some
of
our
meetings
back
got
some
interesting
advice
from
other
folks
and
I.
Think
you
know
cutting
that
back
and
spending
some
time
so
doing
a
more
combined
approach.
Where
were
being
more
intentional
about
exploring
what
we
can
do
to
welcome
and
even
develop
interest
in
the
positions
and
in
the
work
thinking
towards
the
portion
of
our
Charter.
That
discusses
the
commission
or
I.
F
Don't
know
what
to
call
it
I'm
going
to
call
it
a
commission
committee
that
is
looking
at
how
we
how
our
community
is
governed
that
has
to
happen
within
three
years.
So
we'll
finish
this
budget
and
the
next
budget.
We
do
for
25,
we'll
have
to
have
some
money
in
that,
and
presumably
then
some
guidance
and
some
effort
on
us
to
give
them
a
charge
from
the
charter
through
us
to
that
and
really
kind
of
looking
at
how
that
looking
at
how
much
of
that
work
can
be
included
in
that.
F
F
The
tooth
here
for
this
one,
so
that
would
be
that
would
be
what
I'm
thinking
and
then
an
intentional
effort
which
I
don't
mind
working
through
as
a
council
member
to
really
kind
of
find
other
people
on
other
Council,
other
employees
or
other
counselors
and
other
or
trustees,
or
select
board
members
in
other
communities
and
really
kind
of
explore.
This
Amber
had
a
really
good
suggestion.
The
other
day
of
I'm
gonna
put
you
on
the
spot,
because
I
can
barely
see
you.
F
F
K
F
Want
to
say
too
that
I
also
don't
think
I
ever
said
that
this
was
the
one
and
only
you
know
it
and
that
it
is
not
about
how
much
it's
not
solely
about
how
much
like
City
counselors
paid.
You
know
it
wasn't.
The
dollar
amount
to
receive
payment
for
the
service.
It
was
recognizing
that
there
are
costs
to
doing
this
for
some
people
and
trying
to
address
those
through
that.
So
there's
a
interesting.
A
F
There
that
can,
we
can
all
get
caught
up
on
I,
think
and,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say.
Is
it
it's
not
intended
to
say
that
anything
that
any
of
us
are
doing
now
or
the
motivations
or
intentions
of
anybody
that
will
run
in
the
future
or
has
served
in
the
past
or
to
become
called
in
a
question
for
you
know,
I
I
think
there
are
awful
lot
of
people
out
there
that
want
to
do
something
for
their
community
and
I.
A
E
I,
just
I
I
feel
that
my
position
really
hasn't
changed.
Probably
I
get
it.
You
know
honestly,
obviously
yeah
I
I
completely
appreciate
where
you're
coming
from
and
what
the
what
the
your
your
desire
is
here,
but
I'm
gonna,
just
put
that
aside
for
a
moment
and
just
say,
I
think:
we've
gotten
a
sense
that
the
budget
is
already
pretty
packed
and
it's
packed
with
stuff
that
I
would
describe
as
I
mean
in
my
mind,
I
think
discretionary
and
non-discretionary
I.
A
E
Fire
safety
police
stuff
like
that,
but
then
stuff
that
we,
that
is
aspirational
like
we,
we
hope
to
create
a
committee.
We
hope
to
create.
You
know-
have
a
Rec
committee
and
an
economic
development
committee
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be,
and
so
we're
going
to
put
money
in
the
fund.
For
that.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
aspirational
funding.
That's
already
in
the
budget
and
I
am
concerned.
Even
though
I
heard
you
Andrew,
we
didn't
promise,
there
would
be
a
tax
cut,
a
tax
break
from
separating
from
the
town.
E
Nevertheless,
I
think
the
implication
was
there
it,
which
we
did
not
do
to
quell
that.
There
would
be
some
kind
of
attack,
significant
tax
savings,
and
that
didn't
happen
now.
We
know
the
reason
it
didn't
happen.
We
know
all
the
reasons,
multiple
reasons,
but
nevertheless
we
wound
up
giving
people
I
wouldn't
say
it's
a
huge
tax
increase,
but
it's
about
it's
a
typical,
the
kind
of
typical
tax
increase
that
I've,
normally
seen
and
but
so
I
think
I
think
we
were
in
dialogue
with
so
many
people
in
a
positive
way.
E
I
think
the
it's
going
to
be
a
hard
pill
to
swallow
that
we
didn't
get
much
of
a
tax
break
and
we're
actually
getting
a
tax
increase
from
separating
from
the
town
and
I.
Think
now
is
not
the
time
to
also
give
ourselves
a
pay.
Raise
you're
not
going
to
be
able
you're
not
going
to
be
in
every
household,
to
be
able
to
explain
why
the
city
council
is
getting
a
pay,
raise
and
I
I,
just
think
as
I
as
I
been
to
the
Horizon
I
would
just
say
you
guys.
E
You
know
you,
you
gotta!
You
you've
got
to
weigh
your
responsibilities.
Yes,
you
have
a
responsibility
to
try
to
identify
systemic
barriers,
but
you
also
have
a
responsibility
to
spend
money
really
wisely
and
I
I.
In
my
mind,
I
think
right
now,
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
thought.
I
I,
like
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
were
talking
about
about
looking
at
other
ways
to
get
people
in
I,
would
like
to
have
seen
more
of
that
before
I
I
vote
on
giving
a
big
tax
increase
by
the
city
council.
E
E
F
Guess,
for
those
those
monies
add
up,
I
guess
we're
priority,
we're
differing,
which
is
absolutely
fine,
we're
different
on
what
a
priority
is
going
forward,
I,
guess
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
going
to
agree
on
it.
So,
for
me,
a
priority
is
sort
of
future
proofing
the
community
to
make
sure
we're
starting
out
set
up
structurally
to
make
sure
we're
hearing
from
everybody.
We
need
to
hear
from.
A
F
I
have
heard
one
neutral
question
about
it
and
an
awful
lot
of
support
for
it,
because
I
think
when
this
community
foreign,
here's,
what
the
purpose
is
it's
it's.
It's
not
untrue
that
we're
giving
ourselves
a
raise.
That's
how
the
thing
works,
that's
how
it
works.
You
know
and
we're
not
asking
to
put
it
in
the
charter,
so
we're
able
to
revisit
this
year
after
year
and
yeah
I
think
we've
talked
it
through
I
I
totally
and
that's
not.
F
None
of
that
is
to
say
that
I
don't
hear
I,
don't
hear
everything,
you're,
saying
and
and
understand
it
and
and
I
think
about
it.
You
know
because
partly
is-
and
this
isn't
to
partly
because
you've
got
a
lot
more
experience
at
this
than
I
do
and
I
and
I'm
not
trying
to
not
blown
smoke.
I
think
it's
it's
a
hard
thing
to
propose
this
and
it's
a
hard
thing,
because
it's
hard
to
know
and
measure
right.
If
it's
had
any
you
know
we
can.
F
E
I
mean
put
putting
money,
you
know
coming
up
with
some
idea
of
putting
money
in
into
some
kind
of
Outreach
that
educates
people
or
something
like
that
is
is
one
thing:
I
mean
I,
guess,
I
what
your
statement
was
about,
setting
us
up
to
make
sure
every
we
hear
from
everybody.
I
agree.
We
need
to
do
that.
I,
guess
the
real
to
crystallize.
The
point
of
disagreement
is
I.
I
disagree
with
your
with
how
you
want
to
achieve
that.
I
I
think
there
are
other
ways
to
achieve
that.
E
Besides
giving
the
council
a
pay,
raise,
that's
all
I
I,
not
disagreeing
with
the
goal.
I
mean
I
disagreeing
with
the
with
the
means
and
I'm
just
one
person,
regardless
of
how
I
could
have
been
here
50
years
that
doesn't
make
my
voice
any
more
important
than
the
other
four
of
you.
So
that's
fine
and
and
I
I
think
you're,
raising
good
points.
I
think
we've
had
a
really
good
debate
over
it.
E
T
B
B
Instead
of
just
sitting
back
and
hoping
something
else
will
change
the
system.
I
would
also
be
in
favor
of
raising
it
to
2500
and
seeing
how
trying
to
commit
more
efforts
from
the
city
council.
I
know
you
and
I
have
talked
privately
about
trying
to
make
Equity
something
that
we
have
an
intentional
focus
on.
B
And
so
I
think
that
was
the
last
portion
of
the
budget
where
we
didn't
have
agreement
on
so
hopefully,
then
for
the
next
meeting.
Those
changes
that
are
within
the
memo
increasing
the
stipends
to
2500,
getting
some
further
Clarity
of
that
potential
for
space
need
and
then
I
come
back
to
the
March
8th
meeting,
where
we
have
to
make
a
final
decision.
E
I
I
would
like
to
ask
one
other
question
of
everyone,
though.
I've
also
said
that
I
am
really
not
happy
with
just
putting
this
into
the
general
fund.
I
would
really
like
to
see
any,
and
we
may
have
a
major
disagreement
just
philosophically
to
me.
It
seems
that
to
me,
a
pay
raise
for
the
city
council
should
be
pulled
out
and
posed
to
the
community.
The
taxpayer
is
a
separate
question.
G
E
Would
urge
you
in
the
ultimate
next,
the
next
time
we
meet?
We
put
the
budget
together.
I
would
just
urge
you
to
really
consider
that
I
I
think
I
think
you
could
really
generate
some
bad
feelings
by
sticking
this
into
the
general
fund.
It
just
is
a
line
and
I
I
really
do
and
I
know
you
you
don't.
Maybe
you
don't
agree
with
me,
but
I
really
would
urge
you
to
do
that.
E
B
A
E
E
All
right,
yeah
I,
don't
want
to
start
a
fight,
but
that's
that
was
my
proposal.
It
was
it
was
to
say.
Obviously
you
can't.
You
can't
have
a
proposal
that
that
retroactively
amends
to
budget
everyone's
voting
on
so
I'm
saying.
Why
not
put
this
as
a
separate
question
that
that
you
know
so,
it
would
have
to
be
worded
properly
so
that
next
December
when
you're
putting
the
2025
budget
together
there.
You
have
the
the
approval
of
the
community
for
this
money
to
raise
the
stipend
for
the
next
budget
that
you're
putting
together.
Okay,
so.
B
E
B
P
R
So
if
you'll
recall
at
some
point
last
spring
summer,
we
started
doing
these
department
head
conversations
kind
of
a
six-month
look
back
six
month
look
forward.
Mine
is
not
six
months.
I
did
the
year
just
because
there's
so
much
going
on
I
think
that
is
important.
You
know
you
guys,
don't
see
this
every
day,
so
it's
important
to
just
bring
you
up
to
speed
on
where
we're
at
and
what
the
next
steps
are
especially
related
to
separation.
R
You
know
the
physical
separation
of
different
software
programs
that
we
use
physically
moving
all
of
our
the
finance
team
over
here
to
to
Lincoln.
So
we
are
all
located
in
this
building
with
the
rest
of
the
city
staff,
which
is
awesome
and
being
able
to
fill
our
third
approved
Finance
position
early.
R
It's
been
fantastic,
so
we
are
kind
of
nailing
down
the
day-to-day
we've
adjusted
and
and
revamped
redone
in
in
one
case.
Cindy's
job
description
is
completely
new,
so
divided
up
the
duties
so
that
internal
controls
are
being
met.
We've
got
segregation
of
Duties
and
cross-training
with
other
departments
on
certain
duties
too.
So.
C
R
R
Marriage
licenses
dog
licenses
land
records
things
like
that,
so
it's
mostly
Clerk's
Office
functions,
but
I,
Susan
and
I
worked
very
closely
to
you
know
she
worked
on
kind
of
the
the
day-to-day.
How
do
we
physically
get
this
separated
and
I
worked
on
the
back
end
in
nimrich
to
figure
out?
How
do
we
get
it
separated
here
and
get
the
city
entities
kind
of
up
and
running?
R
So
we've
done
that
so
far,
right
now,
I'm
working
on
getting
all
of
the
AP
processing.
We
use
another,
a
standalone
system
for
AP
approvals
for
invoice
approvals
for
payment
and
then
that
links
back
into
Network
as
well,
so
I'm
working
on
getting
that
set
up
and
separated.
Hopefully,
in
the
next
month,
our
bank
accounts
have
been
established
and
actually
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
start
using
that
with
our
pay.
Our
first
payroll
next
week
will
come
out
of
that
account.
A
R
Dan
and
I
have
been
working
very
closely.
We
have
regular
check-ins,
where
we
kind
of
just
sort
of
run
through
the
separation
stuff,
but
also
we're
still
working
as
a
team.
The
town
and
the
city
staff
are
very
much
still
interconnected
and
working
together
every
day
and
I
will
admit.
I
was
nervous
when
Courtney
left
because
I
we
worked
really
well
together
and
we
had.
We
had
really
good
momentum
built
up
headed
into
the
separation
process,
but
Dan
has
been
awesome
to
work
with
so
he's
kind
of
like.
R
A
R
For
all
of
these
different
pieces
that
we're
working
on
and
the
team
that
we've
pulled
together
is
State
town
and
City
staff,
memric
representatives
and
this
axiomatic,
the
new
vendor
that
the
state
is
using
they've
all
been
awesome
about
coming
together
as
a
team
and
working
on
Essex
and
Essex
Junction
specifically,
so
we
are
actually
going
to
be
doing
in
the
next
three
to
four
weeks.
We're
going
to
be
doing
a
test
run
of
our
tax
billing
process
to
make
sure
that
we're
going
to
go
for
July
and
August.
R
R
B
Thank
you,
and
especially
in
the
sense
of
when
we
were
talking
about
separation.
In
the
back
of
my
mind,
my
biggest
concern
is
from
a
policy
stance.
It's
yes,
this
is
what
we
need
to
do
for
our
community,
and
once
this
is
implemented,
though,
that
I
don't
envy
just
that
role.
I
can
only
imagine
how
difficult
this
is
going
to
be
the
amount
of
things
that
you
we
enroll.
Your
staff
are
going
to
have
to
deal
with
this.
B
B
Yeah
so
yeah
nothing
but
significant
appreciation.
I,
also
love
it's
interesting
to
see
like
implementing
by
week
payroll
and
some
of
those
things.
I
also
appreciate
the
thoughts
that
you've
had
around
ways
that
we
could
improve
the
system,
the
finance
in
ways
that
we
could
make
that
work
better.
Make
them
be
more
efficient,
always
appreciate
that.
I
R
And
I
will
say
that
Sarah
is
still
very
much.
I've
got
their
cell
phones
I
emailed
her
this
morning.
Actually
I
was
like
okay,
I
need
you
and
she's
been
kind
of
just
a
good
I
mean
even
when
I
was
in
Milton
and
she
was
in
Essex.
We
were
constantly
in
contact
with
each
other
bouncing
ideas
off
of
each
other.
C
C
R
Like
you've
got
to
kind
of
freeze,
frame
everything
and
figure
out
okay,
this
is
the
money
today
that
needs
to
come
over
to
the
city,
but
we
know
that
finishing
out
the
rest
of
the
year.
We're
going
to
have
tax
payments
coming
in
that
we're
gonna
have
to
divvy
up
and
so
working
through
that
process,
it's
I'm
a
nerd,
so
it's
super
fun
for
me
and
it's
great
to
have
other
people
that
are
just
as
excited
about
these
things.
F
E
And
and
I
I
will
say
another
piece
I
all
your
Communications
are
great.
You
know.
Sometimes
that
can
be
an
issue
sometimes
you're
thinking
of
something
we're
just
not,
but
your
Communications
via
email
and
things
we're
getting
here
are
fantastic
you're,
doing
a
really
good
job
with
that
nice
and
clearly
well,
it
could
be,
but
it
looks
like
it
looks
like
truth
to
me
so
foreign.
D
C
D
Okay,
so
essentially,
this
is
just
a
helpful
two-page
policy
document.
So
when
we
get
these
requests,
we
can
figure
out
what
how
we
want
to
work
them
through
the
system.
So,
as
you
folks
talked
about
already,
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
hold
these
at
a
special
meeting
as
opposed
to
a
regular
business
meeting,
because
there's
can
be
very
lengthy,
then
it
describes
essentially
how
the
council
runs
through
the
process
open
the
hearing,
who
gets
to
speak
in
what
order?
D
How
you
have
folks
respond
to
those
questions,
and
so
most
of
this
is
fairly
straightforward
in
terms
of
process.
It
also
describes
at
the
end
that
the
deliberations,
so
this
is
a
choice.
This
says
that
the
deliberations
are
in
private.
It's
a
choice
that
you
can
make.
You
can
have
these
in
public
session
or
private
session,
and
also
it
explained
earlier
in
this
as
well.
D
You
can,
like
any
other.
You
know
these
sort
of
run
like
more
trial
kinds
of
cases.
Much
like
the
drb
runs.
You
can
continue.
If
you
don't
have
enough
information,
you
can
make
a
decision.
You
can
close
it
and
make
a
decision
that
night.
So
hopefully
this
helps
kind
of
just
in
terms
of
not
the
policy
of
what
you're
doing,
but
just
the
procedures
of
how
you
would
run
these
hearings.
E
Can
I
jump
in
yeah
and
I?
Don't
if
you
don't
mind
and
I,
don't
maybe
this
isn't
the
right
place
and
I
should
wait,
should
wait
until
you
finish
everything,
but
it
looks
like
to
me.
This
might
be
the
right
place
and
and
I
had
asked
the
question
before
and
I.
It's
not
that
big
a
deal,
but
it
might
be
helpful
when
we
in
terms
of
evidence
and
as
I
I
said
you
know
in
in
Amber-
is
here
and
she
can
probably
speak
more
to
this.
E
But
you
know
a
criminal
court
where
someone's
life
is
at
stake.
You
know
there's
levels
of
doubt
and
levels
of
evidence
and
in
like
a
high
level
criminal
case,
you
need
proof,
Beyond,
Reasonable,
Doubt,
that's
not
where
we're
going
for
you
have
another
level
of
evidence
which
is
clear
and
convincing
evidence
and
you
have
a
a
lower
level
which
is
the
preponderance
of
evidence
and
that's
like
for
administrative
decisions
and
I
I.
Think
that's
where
we
are
and
the
reason
I
say
it.
E
Think
in
that
case,
as
I
understand
it,
we
could
use
administrative
evidence.
We
can
say
the
preponderance
of
evidence
that
the
general
thrust
of
the
thing
seems
that
that
that
that
dog
bit
this
person-
and
we
don't
actually
need
someone
to
say
yes-
I-
actually
saw
the
teeth-
enter
the
flesh
right
right.
But
did
she
talk
about
that
at
all?
Or
do
you
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
that?
Maybe
I'm,
maybe
I'm
getting
to
a
little
too
crazy
here,
but
I
I
think
that
was
that
really
did
hang
us
up.
Yeah
I.
U
E
B
F
D
H
U
U
I
actually
had
kind
of
a
similar
comment
in
whether
we
could
set
time
limitations
and
I
know.
I've
I've
mentioned
this
a
couple
of
times:
I,
don't
remember
if
I
mentioned
it
in
a
city
council
meeting
or
in
a
trustee
meeting,
but
I
know
with
a
Planning
Commission
we
did
and
so
and
I
was
also
thinking
about.
U
I
was
trying
to
remember
where
I
heard
this,
but
there's
this
language
about
you
know
if
you're,
if
your
neighbor,
your
neighbor,
got
up
and
said
something
you
can
get
up
and
just
say
ditto,
you
don't
need
to
repeat
exactly
what
your
neighbor
said.
If
you
want
to
just
you
know,
I
agree
with
what
John
said,
but
don't
get
up
there
and
say
exactly
what
John
said
again:
I
don't
know
about
whether
there
is
and
I'm
not
sure
how
the
rest
of
the
council
feels
about
setting
time
limitations
for
for
folks
to
give
comments.
U
But
I
I,
don't
know
where,
where
the
public
rules
come
out
on
on
that
issue,
but
I
Think
It's
tricky
to
have
language
that
says
by
majority
vote
we
may
exclude
any
irrelevant
or
unnecessarily
repetitive
evidence
because,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
you're
going
to
be
in
the
heat
of
having
this
Con.
This
evidence
presented
and
you're
going
to
have
to
say
at
that
moment
exactly
what
you
said,
which
is
your
thanks.
You
just
you
just
you're,
just
saying
the
same
exact
thing
that
your
neighbor
just
said.
U
F
F
If,
if
we
don't
think
it's
it's
relevant
necessarily
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
flip
about
it,
but
I
think
I
think
we
run
the
risk
of
having
repeat
incidents
where
this
is
an
emotional
situation
for
everybody
involved,
not
just
the
victim,
but
the
people
who,
on
the
on
the
dog
I
mean
this,
is
a
big.
It's
a
big
deal
and
they're
going
to
bring
everything
they
can
bring
to
to.
F
U
Well,
one
of
the
other
things
that
I'd
like
to
see
and
and
again
I,
don't
know
what
everybody
else's
thoughts
are
on
this.
But
there
is
the
the
line
there
that
talks
about.
You
know
all
people
offering
written
evidence
so
Schmitz,
three
copies
of
the
evidence
to
the
city
council,
my
preference
for
that
is
prior
to
the
hearing.
D
Just
do
keep
in
mind
that
there's
this
is
a
tight
time
frame.
We
have
seven
days
once
we
get
a
complaint
to
get
this
scheduled
and
also
the
police
officers
have
to
literally
serve
both
person
that
attacker
and
the
owner,
so
not
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
do
that,
but
just
keep
in
mind
the
timing
is
tight.
Yeah.
A
U
I
totally
get
that
I
I,
think
when
we
say
prior
I
mean
a
day
before
I
mean
it
just
it
can't
be
get
it
can't
what
I
want
to
try
to
avoid
and
I
generally
have
this
opinion
on
City
Council
meetings,
and
we
have
the
same.
You
know
when
during
Planning
Commission
meetings,
I
don't
like
to
get
stuff
at
five
o'clock
before
6
30
meeting
that
I'm
expected
to
decipher
and
way
on
in
on
foreign.
F
A
F
That
or
this
is
a
two-part
hearing,
a
two-part
process
where
the
the
day,
where
the
the
time
period,
where
we're
doing
all
of
this
and
receiving,
and
then
the
decision
comes
down
at
the
next
city
council
meeting
right.
So
then
we
take
everything
in
and
maybe
the
at
some
portion
of
the
next
city
council
meeting,
because
we
can't
do
this
offline,
we
meet
either
openly
or
an
executive
session
or
our
choice,
and
we
make
that
decision
and
announce
it.
There,
that's
another.
You
know
that
addresses
the
seven
day,
issue,
yeah
and
right.
B
That's
just
a
personal
philosophical
thing,
but
if
it
is
something
that
you
all
want
just
tell
me-
and
we
can
do
that
for
as
long
as
I'm
in
this
chair,
if
we
want
to
put
it
in
the
document,
we
can
we've
had
some
speakers
today
who
it
takes
a
little
longer
for
them
to
get
their
thought
out
and
so
to
me
to
cut
them
off
as
it
just
takes
them
longer,
doesn't
feel
right
and
doesn't
sit
well
with
me,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
understand
that
we
all
have
things.
We've
got
to
get
done.
E
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
I
normally
if
people
were
just
making
a
statement
but
I
think
what's
going
to
happen,
is
you're
going
to
have
people
making
a
statement,
but
then
we're
going
to
ask
them
questions
and
they
could
that's
it.
Could
it
could
easily
go
to
20
minutes?
You
know
for
someone.
If
it's,
if
it's
a
complicated
situation,
you
could
have
five
different
counselors
asking
someone
the
question
so
you're
going
to
say
everything
has
to
happen
in
three
minutes.
It's
like
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be.
E
F
A
F
A
E
C
A
U
U
C
U
Not
what
I'm
saying
I
am
looking
more
at
the
and
and
I
did
not
watch
the
the
last
hearing,
but
I
gathered
from
the
time
in
which
it
took
for
that
process
to
occur,
that
there
were
many
people
who
basically
spoke
for
more
than
three
minutes
either
in
support
or
not
in
support
of
the
current
situation.
And
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
is
trying
to
trying
to
prevent
a
situation
where
you
have
a
30-minute
filibuster
of
an
individual
who
is
trying
is
speaking
for
one
way
or
the
other
that
doesn't
have
any
direct
involvement.
U
F
I
was
just
trying:
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
semantic
difference
between
a
public
that
a
with
a
hearing
versus
a
public
meeting
and
what
what
is
allowed
and
I
don't
know?
Are
you
referencing,
open
meeting
law?
I'm,
not
sure
in
this
kind
of
hearing
would
actually
be
subject
to
open
meeting
law
that
you
know
as
a
matter
of
who
we
can
and
can't
decide
to
gets
to
speak.
U
Yeah
I
mean
it's
still:
a
public
hearing,
I,
don't
and
and
is
subject
to
open
meeting
rules,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
again,
I,
don't
know
the
semantics
of
whether
you
do
have
to
I
believe
you
do
have
to
allow
the
public
comment,
but
I'm
I'm
not
entirely
positive,
I.
Think
that's!
That's
a
Claudine
question
for
sure.
D
Yeah
we
can
ask
her
that
you
know
I
just
keep
going
back
to
a
similar
process
as
the
development
review
board
and
those
you
can
limit
participants
in
the
development
review
board
to
what's
defined
as
an
interested
party
by
Statute.
This
I
don't
think
these
hearings
have
quite
that
level
of
definition
and
statute.
A
B
You
do
have
to
with
open
meeting
law.
You
do
have
to
allow
members
of
the
public
the
opportunity
to
talk.
The
Vermont
Supreme
Court
has
said,
live
or
has
said
that
and
a
board
can't
set
limits
that
are
reasonable,
so
that
people
are
given
the
reasonable
opportunity
to
to
have
their
opinion
heard.
So
you
can
set
time
limits,
but
they
have.
If
somebody
is
here,
they
do
have
to
have
the
capability
to
have
their
voice
heard.
F
F
J
F
E
I,
don't
know
why
you
couldn't
set
say
everybody's
three
minutes
or
four
minutes,
but
the
chair
has
the
has
the
right
to
extend
the
time
and
you
could
just
say
yeah
this
this
person.
This
is
the
this
is
the
principal
dog
owner.
This
is
the
principal
victim's
principal
witness.
You
can
allow
that
person
to
speak
more,
but
otherwise
everybody
has
to
try
to
keep
your
comments
within
three
minutes
set
that
that
might
work
that.
E
U
E
F
I
mean
in
some
ways
right,
that's
understandable,
because
some
of
it
like,
if
it
is
actually
a
dog
bite
that
needs
medical
attention,
then
obviously
that's
right.
Pretty
major
repercussions
for
that
animal
right
right,
so
I
get
it
and
I
don't
want
to
just
for
for
people
listening
I'm
not
trying
to
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
are
trying
to
shorten
this
yeah.
E
F
D
A
D
D
D
D
D
It
brings
in
this
definition
of
a
potentially
vicious
dog.
So
if
you
folks
remember
basically
what
we
had
to
work
with,
and
that
case
that
you
heard
was
really
the
state
statute
and
the
state
statute
really
only
comes
into
play.
If
a
dog
bites
a
person,
this
potentially
vicious
dog
Concept
in
the
town
ordinance
allows
you
to
have
a
hearing
and
put
an
order
in
place.
D
C
D
There's
just
some
few
comments
in
here
back
and
forth
between
Claudine
and
I
that
we
can
get
straightened
out
pretty
easily
just
in
terms
of
who's,
the
Animal
control
officer
and
just
clarifying
that
definition
that
bringing
in
the
concept
of
for
a
vicious
dog.
If
the
person
is
attacked,
they
have
sought
medical
attention.
Basically,.
D
Yeah
I
think
that
was
it
in
terms
of
what
else
I
wanted
to
kind
of
point
out
in
here.
This
brings
in
the
same
sorts
of
things
in
terms
of
running
at
large
and
brings
in
a
little
bit
more
definition.
To
that.
This
is
a
this
working
farm
dog
is
just
a
statutory
exemption,
so
Claudine
got
that
in
there.
D
U
So
I
have
to
admit:
I
was
a
little
confused.
There
is
definitely
a
certain
irony
to
the
fact
that
I'm
confused
by
the
legal
realm
here
but
they're
in
section
506.
it
talks
about
that's
the
investigation
section
that
I
know
we
added
the
potentially
vicious
dog,
and
maybe
you
can
pull
that
section
up
for
Gina
on
the
screen.
I'm.
U
So
this
section
talks
about
when
a
person
can
file
a
complaint
with
the
city
council,
and
it
says
when
a
dog
has
either
bitten
or
inflicted
bodily
injury
to
a
to
a
person,
so
am
I
correct
in
assuming
that
they
still,
they
can't
file
a
complaint
when
the
dog
has
bitten
or
in
inflicted
injury
to
an
animal
because
I'm
confused
how
these
two
sections
are
interplaying,
if
that
makes
any
sense
yeah-
and
this
is
the
statue
this
is.
This-
is
the
Vermont
statute.
F
U
U
J
E
B
E
E
So,
okay,
but
was
I
as
I
understand,
so
so
what?
So?
If
a?
If
it's
a
potentially
vicious
dog,
a
dog
that
got
that
gets
loose
and
went
out
for
another
dog,
and
but
no
no
human,
Was,
Bitten
and
someone
files
a
complaint,
it
looks
to
me
it
says,
upon
receipt
of
a
potentially
vicious
dog
complaint.
The
legislative
body
May
proceed
as
in
the
case
of
a
vicious
dog
complaint
so
that
that's
how
it
gets
in
front
of.