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B
Before
we
begin,
I
will
just
propose
one
agenda
Edition,
and
that
is
after
the
public
to
be
heard
and
before
the
election
of
chair
that
we
just
introduced
who
we
are
so
that
we
can
all
know
who
we
are
around
this
giant
table
in
virtually.
Does
anybody
have
any
other
agenda
editions
or
changes
tonight.
C
B
D
B
Passed
unanimously,
thank
you
all.
So
we've
approved
the
agenda
going
into
public
to
be
heard.
This
is
a
portion
of
tonight's
meeting
where,
if
there
are
any
members
from
the
public
who
are
not
board
members
and
would
like
to
present
or
bring
an
issue
to
the
board,
now
it's
time
to
do
so
and
I'm
looking
around
the
room.
I
think
everybody
here
is
a
board
member
of
the
board
of
civil
Authority,
so
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
move
past.
B
J
L
K
H
B
Thank
you
Pat
appreciate
that
Pat
Bowling
Green
that
in
my
head,
Pat
so
nice
to
see
you
all
to
move
into
the
next
business
item
with
an
election
of
a
chair.
This
is
because
effective
immediately
I
am
going
to
resign
as
chair
of
the
board
of
civil
Authority.
I.
Do
not
believe
I
can
fulfill
that
Duty
and
be
the
president
for
the
city
council
and
do
both
duties
well.
So
I
would
hereby
like
to
formally
resign
from
the
position
of
the
chair
as
the
board
or
for
the
chair
on
the
board
of
civil
Authority.
B
L
O
J
Just
so
everyone's
clear,
we
are
an
appointed
Board
of
civil
Authority.
We
have
now
taken
our
seats
and
it's
for
the
new
city
that
we
now
reside
in.
We
have
a
lot
of
experience
amongst
us
recognize
many
of
you
in
different
roles.
You've
been
involved
with
participation
and
local
government,
maybe
with
some
local
election
volunteering
whatever
it
may
be,
but
we
primarily
serve
as
a
board
with
different
functions
so
set
out
and
state
statute.
J
C
J
The
peace
will
be
elected
and
on
that
ballot,
so
we
are
serving
out
the
duties
for
in
this
unusual
circumstance
after
creations.
So
with
that
said,
let
me
just
pull
up
this
again.
That's
why
people
just
go
through
it
here,
but
looks
like
the
first
item
of
business
that
we
have
after
election
of
a
chair
is
to
appoint
election
workers
and
Susan.
J
L
L
P
L
A
little
difficult
in
Vermont
because
you
don't
register
as
a
member
of
a
party.
So
if
somebody's
on
the
voter
checklist,
we
don't
usually
ask
what
party
they're
affiliated
with
it's
a
little
different
with
the
Justice
of
the
piece,
because
we
know
what
party
they
are
with
and
if
we
have
situations
where
we
need
to
have
one
person
from
each
party
we
can
draw
from
the
JP's
member
support
for
that
purpose.
J
J
That
said
so,
I
think
to
to
be
responsible
for
the
question,
then
we're
not
assessing
party
affiliation
per
se.
We
are
looking
at
the
available
pool
and
then,
in
the
event
that
there
was
something
where
partisan
affiliation
might
be
important,
such
as
what
you
just
strive.
You
would
look
to
the
elected
members.
Imagine
since
the
future
and.
R
Q
P
J
J
An
unusual
circumstance
I
think,
though,
just
in
the
future,
what
might
make
sense
it's
we're
going
to
have
an
election.
A
new
board
of
civil
Authority
will
be
sworn
in
to
take
their
terms
I'm
guessing
early
in
the
new
year
after
the
election
in
November
and
I.
Think
that
probably
we
assess
best
practices,
I've
been
sort
of
wondering,
just
as
we
set
up
a
new
board,
it
might
make
sense.
P
J
Couple
things
just
have
an
educational
session
and
I
know
we
can't
find
the
action
to
the
future
board,
but
maybe
an
educational
session
where
the
staff
update
us
on
the
procedures
and
the
information
available
from
the
Secretary
of
State's
office,
I
think
actually,
as
a
member
who
served
on
the
Town
Board
of
civil
Authority.
That
would
be
welcome
and
that
way
just
going
forward.
We're
all
aware
of
all
this
and
then
in
the
future.
I
I
would
welcome
a
conversation
about
just
our
procedures.
J
L
S
J
L
I
I
L
G
J
J
J
L
J
Okay,
so
with
that,
we
have
heard
the
names
of
the
current
election
workers.
So
if
there's
any
additional
comments,
if
not
I
would
entertain
a
motion,
so
so
Kelly
is
moving
that
we
appoint
election
workers.
It's
late
that
was
just
read
off
by
second
Marcus
Serta
is
seconding.
That
motion,
even
though
additional
comment
all
right.
Let's
see
our
vote,
all
those
in
favor.
J
L
L
J
And
so
the
process
that
you've
just
described
you're,
essentially
seeking
in
the
borders
entertaining
whether
or
not
there
should
be
authority
to
process
balance
head
of
election
day
following
the
guidance
that
set
out
it
looked
like
you've
sent
around
something
called
the
2022
election
procedures
guide
prepared
by
the
Secretary
of
State's
office.
I
I
just
want
to
note
here.
This
is
interesting,
so
it
was
revised
in
July
2022.
So
this
is
very
current
and
follows
all
current
state
law,
because
there
have
been
amendments.
J
So
I
would
welcome
some
discussion.
I
would
just
say
that
this
guide
I've
done
a
skim.
I
have
not
read
it
fully
yet,
but
I've
read
previous
iterations
of
it.
As
a
member
of
the
board
of
civil
Authority,
it
sits
out
a
lot
of
details,
processing
procedures
and
it
describes
what's
in
state
law.
The
state
law
is
sort
of
the
basis
for
all
of
our
elections
and
then
in
Vermont
we
have
local
administration
of
Elections.
So
it's
up
to
us.
It's
never
supported
civil.
J
J
Trainings,
the
Secretary
of
State's
office
is
there
as
a
resource.
That's
questions
arise,
so
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
get
information
on
this
topic.
I
am
aware
that
there's
great
interest
in
elections
right
now
in
the
news
and
elsewhere
so
I
think
we
all
take
this
very
seriously.
But
I
am
heartened
by
the
fact
that
there
is
a
process
spelled
out
in
here
and
Susan.
P
J
J
K
K
In
other
words,
your
name
is
not
attached
to
a
ballot,
and
the
other
component
of
that
is
ballots,
aren't
counted
until
all
the
ballots
are
cast,
and
you
know
that
system
has
served
democracy
very
well
for
hundreds
of
years
now,
I
understand
that
we
can't
change.
You
know,
what's
been
given
to
us
or
legislated
to
us.
K
The
only
thing
that
we
can
do
is
do
what
we
can
to
ensure
security,
and
one
of
those
things
is
to
not
count
ballots
early
now,
I
fully
understand
that
you
know
we
would
be
following
procedures,
and
you
know
I've
actually
helped
certify.
Our
witness
certification
of
machines.
May
certainly
seem
from
what
we
can
see
to
be
secure.
K
The
biggest
problem
with
these
machines
is
that
there
are
definitely
Network
capable,
so
what
that
means
is
it
has
the
circuitry
and
the
machines
to
be
connected
to
the
network
to
any
network.
That's
available.
Possibly-
and
you
know,
none
of
us
in
this
room
can
fully
guarantee
that
those
things
can't
be
connected,
which
would
allow
that
you
know
if
they're
in
operation
counting
ballots.
K
J
G
If
I
did
something
yeah
an
email
to
the
Secretary
of
State
office,
we'll
send
him.
Okay,
I
know
mine
six
volt,
six
categories
of
vulnerabilities
for
their
election
system.
Okay,
I
documented
Court
proceedings,
court
documents
with
Bunches
of
questions.
One
of
the
core
documents
is
that
the
Attorney
General
contains
Oregon
admitted
in
the
quarter
that
a
tabulator,
a
machine
that
has
connectability,
even
though
it's
not
connected
to
the
internet,
can
be
Act.
G
L
P
F
F
J
P
J
Then
also
I
do
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
a
group
where
it's
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
provide
oversight
and
ask
questions
to
present
opinions,
I
think
that's
completely
valid.
I
I
would
avoid
debate
amongst
us.
I
think
it's
healthy
to
have
a
discussion,
but
you
know
instead
of
in
the
legislative,
for
instance,
you
speak
through
sort
of
a
presiding
officer
to
defuse
any
conflict.
This
other
boards
do
and
I
think
that's
just
important
this
week
tackle
issues
so
Raj
I
see
your
hand
up.
A
Yeah
thanks
Dylan
I
would
just
say
that
we
have
a
procedure
set
out
by
the
legislature
and
the
secretaries
of
state
Secretary
of
State's
office
that
we're
going
to
follow
and
that
procedure
really
isn't
up
to
debate
or
change.
So,
let's
just
move
on
and
either
call
the
question.
I,
don't
think
the
debate
about
theories
on
the
machines
is
appropriate
for
this
body
at
this
time,
especially
with
the
time
we
have
left
so
I'd
encourage
us
to
call
the
question
and
move
on
to
the
last
attendant
item.
Thank
you.
D
Are
you
all
set
I
did
but
I
concur
with
Raj
I
do
work
in
network
security.
That's
my
entire
job.
I
can
I
would
be
happy
to
go
over
the
specifics
of
the
technology
at
a
later
date
with
anyone
to
describe
how
Simply
Having
the
ability
to
connect
to
a
network
does
not
in
fact
make
it
hackable
it's
but
I
again,
I
think
it's
for
a
later
time,
I
agree
with
Raj.
D
J
J
R
K
J
O
J
J
G
U
G
J
D
C
H
L
J
J
C
J
B
J
C
J
I
J
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
and
I
will
draw
attention
to
the
fact
that
the
city
council
had
a
meeting
set
at
6,
30
and
I
do
just
want
to
quickly
like
we
have
another
item
on
our
agenda.
But
recognizing
there
was
discussion
tonight,
I
mean
I
think
it
does
underscore
an
opportunity
for
some
education
going
forward
and
of
course
there
will
be
election
of
a
new
board
coming
up
in
November.
P
J
And
I
also
just
want
to
let
folks
know
I'm
happy
to
take
any
of
these
conversations
off
lines,
pointed
institution
and
observing
issue
chair
and
certainly
encourage
you
to
be
in
touch
as
well.
I
know
someone
said
that
you
talked
about
the
secretary
state's
office,
that's
our
Statewide
election
official,
certainly
the
clerk's
office
and
I
hope
that
we
will
all
work
together
in
a
spirit
of
partnership
to
do
this
work
because
it's
very
important.
J
It's
been
going
on
over
hundreds
of
years,
and
many
of
us
have
participated
for
years
here
in
community.
So
just
take
my
personal
privilege
there
to
say
that
and
I
would
like
to
move
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
the
politicking
policy
and
Susan
I
know
there
was
an
enclosure
with
board
material
minutes
for
that
as
well.
L
H
J
Okay,
so
for
motion.
Second
I
need
Inception,
okay,
so
seeing
no
discussion
here,
all
those
in
favor
of
supporting
the
option
of
the
politicking
policy
and
it's
provided
in
the
meeting
minutes
materials.
Please
see
it
by
myself.
Bye
bye,
any
opposed
no
well!
That
was
the
unanimous
vote.
So
I
can't
believe
we
need
thank
you
for
that.
So.
J
We
are
scheduled
to
adjourn
we're
a
few
minutes
over,
but
my
offer
anyone
would
like
to
discuss
this
I'm
certainly
available
to
do
so.
I
know.
Diane
is
always
happy
to
respond
to
my
emails,
but
I
have
questions
so
Diane.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
without
any
further
discussion
here,
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
a
jerk
up
Bernie.
R
J
P
O
B
B
S
S
S
Believe
so,
and
my
apologies
for
that,
the
reason
why
I
got
Ducks
was
my
misinterpretation
of
the
code,
and
that's
completely
my
fault.
Sorry
about
that.
When
I
looked
into
the
code,
the
municipal
code,
it
specifically
addresses
chickens,
but
no
other
animals
and
I
also
saw
that
section.
1702
says
that
all
agricultural
processes
are
exempt
from
the
code,
so
I
thought
I
was
in
the
clear.
However,
when
I
spoke
with
Terry
Hall,
she
explained
to
me
the
Land
Development
code
and
why
I
was
wrong.
S
Well,
so,
when
I
spoke
with
my
neighbor,
she
told
me
that
her
only
concern
was
smell
and
what
I
believe
she
didn't
realize
was
right
on
the
property
line
between
our
houses.
I
was
keeping
two
a
hundred
gallon
compost
bins,
oh
since,
during
the
summer
time,
I
moved
those.
Those
were
one
of
the
reasons
why
a
movement
was
because
it
was
emitting
a
particularly
foul
odor
and
so
I
moved
him
to
the
completely
other
side
of
my
property
and
I.
S
B
Right
yeah,
so
just
in
terms
of
even
just
a
process
portion
which
maybe
should
have
started
off
with
this
in
the
beginning.
So
this
would
be
the
opportunity
for
us
to
hear
what
the
concern
is
for
us
to
hear
and
understand
a
little
bit
from
this
point
in
time.
We
only
have
a
limited
knowledge
of
what
really
the
intricacies
are
of
this,
and
we
are
only
able
to
make.
We
only
have
so
much
latitude
to
make
a
decision
on
something
that
isn't
publicly
warned
on
our
agenda.
B
So
basically
we
can
hear
the
information
receive
the
information
we
can
ask
staff
to
do
some
research.
We
can
ask
for
some
other
steps
to
happen
and
then
on
a
future
agenda
item
we
can
do
is
then
address
this
in
a
more
formal
capacity
where
we
would
have
the
decision
or
the
capability
to
make
a
decision
of
a
yes
or
no,
so
just
even
for
tonight's
Fortune.
We
can
have
this
a
brief
dialogue
to
try
and
understand
a
little
bit,
but
this
isn't
going
to
be
yet.
Okay,.
S
H
B
S
So
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
in
in
addition
to
them,
providing
you
know
food,
they
are
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
I
have
them
is
for
a
permaculture
so
that
I
can
produce
my
own
fertilizers
in
a
green
fashion.
I
mean
there's
no
system
that
we
are
aware
of,
that
is
sustainable,
that
is
greener
and
given
the
current
state
of
the
economy
and
shortages
and
everything
fertilizers
have
been
particularly
hard
to
get
a
hold
of,
and
they've
been
extremely
expensive.
B
Something
that
may
be
helpful
is
if
you
have
resources
that
help
to
explain
what
the
benefits
of
of
I
don't
even
know
what
the
right
phrase
would
be,
but
for
raising
ducks
in
your
home
and
keeping
ducks
on
your
in
a
residential
property.
If
you
have
those
kinds
of
benefit
that
would
be
beneficial
for
us
to
to
have
for
a
future
conversation
to
help
inform
us
of
all
of
all
sides
of
the
equation.
S
I
also
have
the
city's
firsts
and
only
craft
cannabis
cultivation
I
have
a
tier
one
cultivation
this
year,
and
the
fertilizer
has
been
extremely
helpful
for
that,
depending
on
how
the
the
council
has
voted
and
what
the
zoning
will
be
next
year
will
determine
whether
I
can
continue
with
that
or
not.
But
in
terms
of
benefits,
it's
been
extremely
beneficial.
A
H
We
we
do,
but
we
have
the
person,
probably
in
all
of
Essex
Junction,
who
knows
more
about
it
sitting
in
the
audience,
but
I,
don't
so
I'm
gonna
at
risk
of
of
making
a
terrible
mistake.
Lori.
If
you
don't
mind
it
was
back
when
when
was
it,
it
was
very
early
on
in
my
10
years
it
was
early
in
your
political
career,
so
it
was
like
2009
or
10,
or
something
like
that.
Yeah
it
was
a.
It
was
a.
A
B
Just
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
more,
it
did
take
a
few
months
of
public
hearings
of
public
comments
of
that
kind
of
process.
It
was
not
a
quick
thing.
It
was
also
a
a
new
ordinance,
as
we
did
not
allow
any
other
livestock
outside
of
the
Agricultural
Zone,
so
that
also
likely
added
to
the
the
time
that
it
took
foreign
counselors.
B
B
If
you
do,
if
you
do
please
reach
out
at
any
point
in
time,
our
emails
and
contact
information
are
all
available
at
essexjunction.org.
You
have
Terry's
information,
I
assume
we're
genius
as
well.
So
please,
let
us
know
if
you
have
other
questions
and
we'll
make
sure
to
be
in
touch
with
you
as
to
what
we're
going
to
do
from
here.
Okay,.
Q
You
know
most
of
the
time.
This
is
a
somewhat
seamless
and
enjoyable
process
to
meet
and
not
be
always
on
Zoom
or
having
to
exclude
people
from
the
process.
You
can't
come
briefly:
I
guess
I'll
just
pause
there
and
find
out
if
you
have
any
questions,
because
there
are
a
number
of
points
on
here
in
this
memo
that
I
sent
and
that
you
all
should
have
received
yeah.
Q
L
R
B
Q
Could
we
did
in
the
last
contract
negotiation,
decide
to
move?
We
have
a
big
basket
of
General
programming
and
we
decided,
as
part
of
our
Outreach
strategies,
to
move
an
individual
program
into
the
general
I
mean
I
I
count
them
by
community,
but
unfortunately,
our
location
or
and
not,
unfortunately,
but
you
know,
Burlington
being
the
center
of
a
lot
of
activities
gets
a
lot
of
coverage
and
we
would
like
to
do
more
coverage
for
the
city,
so
things
like
Juneteenth
celebration
or
dedication
at
the
park.
Q
B
Along
that
line
and
thinking
about
for
next
year's
budget,
if
we
did
want
to
increase
it,
also
in
the
sense
that
historically
we've
had
our
we've
had
our
Municipal
board.
But
then
we've
also
had
a
Planning
Commission.
Now
we
also
have
a
development
review
board,
and
so
there
might
be
another
reason
to
have
additional
coverage
of
our
of
various
Municipal
meetings,
let
alone
the
things
that
you're
talking
about
where
if
we
decided
to
do
that,
when
would
you
need
to
know
from
a
budgetary
standpoint?
Well.
Q
You
need
to
discuss
that
as
part
of
your
budget
and
that,
if
that's
something
that
you
want
to
do,
that's
where
you
would
then
would
switch
over
to
hiring
CCTV
to
do
that.
Additional
coverage-
and
it's
outlined
here
the
per
cost
and
we
do
a
municipal
rate
because
we're
using
the
same
equipment
that
the
trustees
own
so
that
Municipal
rate
of
95
an
hour.
We
do
about
seven
hours
per
meeting,
although
we
can
build
that
on
a
you
know,
we
keep
that
we
keep
track
of
exactly
how
much
time.
Q
So
if
a
meeting
takes
you
know
if
it's
three
hours
of
time,
it's
three
hour
right
billing.
So
that's
one
way
to
cut
that.
So
you
know,
for
example,
we
cover
some
meetings
and
it's
and
it's
a
precise
number
and
or
you
could
set
aside
a
certain
amount
and
say:
oh
you
know
we
want
to
give
you
10
000
extra
to
do
10
extra
meetings.
Q
F
Q
And
we
can
talk
about
that
more.
If
you
have
more
questions
you
know,
I
can
have
that
conversation
with
Regina
there's
also.
You
know
if
you
have
Community
meetings
that
are
being
held
completely
virtually
and
I.
Don't
know
at
what
point
January,
if
it's
gonna
flip
over
that
you
have
to
have
them
in
a
high.
You
know
if
you
have,
if
you're
allowed,
to
continue
to
do
them
completely
virtually
but
meetings
that
you're
recording
yourself,
you
can
submit
to
us
to
Archive
and
be
part
of
our
well.
Q
Your
really
repository
of
content,
we're
just
finishing
up.
We
got
a
grant
from
the
National
Endowment
of
humanities
and
our
archivist
is
just
finishing
up
the
work
of
really
rationalizing
our
archival
system
and
how
we're
bringing
things
in
and
making
sure
that
we
have
reliable
and
redundant
storage.
Q
We'll
say
that
you
know
we
will
one
of
the
big
things
that
CCTV
is
undertaking
on
behalf
of
10
meeting
TV.
Is
this
continued
work
with
the
legislature,
the
legislature
in
FY
23?
It
was
actually
a
combination
of
a
special
allotment
in
FY
22
and
FY
23
awarded
900
000
to
the
24
access
centers
around
the
state.
So
just
tell
meeting
TV
is
one
of
24
centers
that
do
this
kind
of
coverage
and
foreign.
Q
Q
Q
So
if
you
think
about
it,
changes
in
gas
tax,
the
lowering
people
driving
less
or
people
driving
electric
vehicles
or
seeing
a
change
right.
So
we're
we're
in
this
big
policy
shift
as
we
modernize
the
world
and
have
to
come
up
with
different
funding
mechanisms
for
different
services
that
we
find
important
and
and
that's
one
and
your
help,
your
support
at
the
legislative
levels.
It's
helpful.
P
B
B
V
V
There
we
go
there,
we
go
understand
as
our
time
short
this
evening.
The
past
presentations
we've
done.
This
is
certainly
taken
a
bit
more
time,
so
I
figured
I
would
start
at
kind
of
the
key
points
and
then
take
the
rest
of
the
time
to
answer
questions
if
that
works
for
everyone.
Unless
there
is
something
specific
that
you
would
like
me
to
address
right
off
of
that.
B
V
Excellent
okay,
so
going
to
page
seven
of
the
presentation
that
I
provided,
which
is
reimbursement
and
billing
terminology
I,
think
what
is
most
important
with
this
is
understanding
the
terminology
that
is
there
and
what
exactly?
That
means.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
biggest
factors
which
is
impacting
our
ability
to
meet
our
own
operating
budget
year
to
year,
because
what
we're
billing
out
is
not
what
we're
able
to
get
back
in
reimbursement
from
insurance
companies.
V
It
is
billed
based
on
a
defined
service
level
or
itemized
level
of
service
we
provide.
The
allowable
is
what
the
contracted
rate
is
of
the
insurance
company
that
they
will
cover.
So
the
the
most
obvious
and
well-known
carrier
that
this
impacts
is
Medicare.
Medicare
is
the
the
federal
standard.
Basically,
who
says,
regardless
of
you,
know
what
services
you
provide
at
this
level
of
service,
we're
going
to
reimburse
this
much
and
it
doesn't
matter
any
any
other
factors.
V
So
when
we
talk
about
what
is
allowed
based
on
what
we
charge,
there
is
a
certain
percentage
of
it
which
is
written
off
by
the
insurance
company
immediately
and,
and
that
is
we're,
never
going
to
be
able
to
reclaim
that
amount.
When
we
talk
about
expected
that
is
based
on
the
allowable,
so
what
the
insurance
company
says
is
allowed
to
be
reimbursed.
V
The
next
important
piece
to
understand
is
that
Essex
rescue
is
primary.
Our
primarily
primary
source
of
revenue
from
insurance
is
Medicaid
and
Medicare,
and
that's
64
of
our
annual
income,
and
that
is
a
fixed
rate.
So,
regardless
of
what
service
we
are,
providing,
the
max
that
we
will
ever
be
able
to
recover
from
care
would
be
495
dollars
from
Medicare,
and
that
would
be
at
the
80
percent
and
the
patient
themselves
would
be
responsible
for
20,
of
the
remaining
of
that.
V
The
Medicaid
covers
a
hundred
percent,
but
again
reimburses
at
a
lower
rate
at
389
dollars.
So
the
rest
of
our
our
insurance
revenue
is,
is
commercial
insurance
and,
and
things
like
that.
But
those
pieces
are
probably
the
most
important
factors
to
understand
as
to
why
we're
struggling
to
meet
our
end
of
year
budget,
because,
regardless
of
the
call
volume
that
keeps
going
up,
the
reimbursement
rate
doesn't
change,
and
not
all
of
the
calls
that
we're
responding
to
are
actually
billable.
P
V
Aren't
going
to
change
the
outcome
and
don't
transport,
so
we
have
put
everything
into
that
individual
that
we
would
have
had
we
transported
them,
but
it
it
it.
It
does
not
change
the
outcome
to
transport
them
in
a
cardiac
arrest
scenario,
so
that
that
Revenue
will
will
never
get
back
the
diabetic
emergency
or
the
the
overdose
victim.
V
We
treat
those
individuals
as
if
we
were
taking
them
to
the
hospital,
but
if
they
decide
that
they
no
longer
want
treatment
once
they
have
reached
a
level
of
mentation
that
is
acceptable
and
safe
to
leave
them
at
home.
They
are
legally,
they
have
the
right
to
make
that
decision
not
to
go.
Those
are
also
costs
that
we
can't
recover.
V
That
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
going
to
take
care
of
those
individuals
when
they
call
and
treat
their
life
threat.
It
just
means
that
those
are
costs
that
we
will,
we
will
have
to.
You
know,
occur
without
without
reimbursement.
So
it's
just
important
to
understand
that
not
yes,
we
Bill
insurance,
but
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
going
to
recover
all
the
costs.
V
V
We
have
done
our
best
to
keep
our
per
capita
rates
as
low
as
possible.
As
long
as
we
could
and
I
can't
speak
for
my
predecessors
that
have
kept
our
rates
where
they
have,
but
it
with
covid
and
everything
else.
It
became
very
apparent
that
we
were
not
going
to
be
able
to
continue
providing
the
service
if
we
didn't
ask
for
what
we
needed
to
meet
our
budget
at
zero
and
I.
Do
understand
that
those
are
big
numbers
and
big
jumps.
V
My
Hope
Is
that
getting
this
next
increase
to
where
we
need
to
be,
is
going
to
get
our
budget
to
a
point
where
we
can
stabilize
ourselves
and
make
smaller
incremental
changes
as
we
go
without,
in
a
sense
stealing
from
our
Reserve
account
which
funds
ambulances
in
the
future
and
necessary
equipment
that
we
have
to
replace
without
having
to
ask
for
loans,
liens
and
bonds,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
B
I
a
couple
of
just
questions
on
the
the
presentation
or
on
the
slides
in
that
slide.
That's
titled
organizational
efforts.
There's
a
couple
of
things:
I,
just
I'm
wondering
what
they
mean.
One
is
prioritize
spending
to
reduce
operational
costs
when
I
hear
that
that
makes
it
sound
as
if
maybe
expenses
aren't
being
prioritized,
and
so
is
that
what
is
intended.
V
No,
it's
just
you
know,
I
think
that
always
runs
through
people's
minds
to
say
you
know
this.
This
organization
is
hurting
and
it
it
appears
that
you
know
they're
bringing
in
reasonable
amount
of
funds.
You
know
how
come
this
is
still
still
the
the
situation
and
I
just
want
to
ensure
everyone
that
you
know.
We
are
cognizant
of
the
general
economic
situation.
Everybody
is
sitting
in
and
we're
not
just
throwing
funds
out
the
window.
V
U
Yeah
and
to
just
on
top
of
what
Colleen
said
here
been
treasurer
for
two
years,
president
second
time
around
I
think
the
point
there
was
just
to
make
sure
that
we
were
reiterating
to
the
community
that
we're
being
as
fiscally
responsible
as
we
can
and
we
can
go
into
more
detail
Beyond.
Even
what
Colleen
mentioned
about
deferring
ambulance
purchases
extending
as
much
as
we
can
into
the
length
of
time
that
we
can
use
the
equipment
that
we
have
and
wanted
to
call
that
out,
so
that
there
is
really
no
stone
left
unturned.
B
V
B
B
That
makes
me
feel
a
lot
better
than
what
I
had
in
mind,
and
so
I
guess
really.
The
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention.
I
know
when
we
were
here
in
this
in
the
city
when
we
were
a
village
separating
from
the
town.
One
of
the
things
that
we
had
been
told
is
that
you
all
had
gone
to
the
town
of
Essex
select
board
and
said
that
there
was
going
to
be
an
increase
again
in
a
future
year.
B
It
makes
me
think
that
what
we
might
want
to
start
looking
and
talking
about
is:
should
our
boards
be
appointing
people
to
your
board
so
that
that
way
we
can
be
better
connected,
so
that
that
way
we
can
help
to
ensure
that
things
are
are
going
strong,
because
we
need
Emergency,
Medical
Services,
whether
it's
somebody
falling
and
not
being
able
to
get
up
somebody
having
a
cardiac
arrest
and
arrest
in
a
true
medical
emergency.
Somebody
needs
to
go
when
9-1-1
is
called.
B
V
U
Yeah,
thank
you,
and
it
is
a
really
good
question
and
I
think
the
the
transparency
that
we
look,
that
we're
looking
for
and
also
the
interaction
that
we're
looking
for
is
following
those
same
lines.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
coming
to
you
and
the
other
communities
that
we
represent
to
to
ask
is
how
best
to
get
representation
and
inclusion
on
our
board.
Is
it
an
appointed
person
in
a
community
advisory
position?
U
We
have
now
completely
flipped
that
around
and
we
have
volunteers
that
are
close
to
half
that
amount
and
we
have
doubled
the
number
of
full-time
employees
that
we
require
to
get
that
ambulance
staffed
and
out
on
the
road.
So
right
off
the
bat.
Our
our
Workforce
model
has
changed
underneath
us
and
one
of
the
biggest
reasons
that
you're,
seeing
the
jump
that
you
are
is
this.
Past
year
we've
been
proactive
for
the
first
time
that
I
can
remember
about
getting
ahead
of
that
change.
U
So,
without
going
into
too
much
of
the
detail
during
this
time,
I
know
we're
limited
but
happy
to
share
more
details
with
you
about
what
that
looks
like
and
why
we
can
at
least
stand
here
before
you
with
a
prediction
of
saying
we're
not
going
to
expect
double-digit
growth
from
a
Personnel
standpoint.
We're
going
to
be
in
line
with
economic
indicators
and
the
overall
economic
growth
and
requirements
of
the
of
the
country
based
on
like
a
CPI
rather
than
you
know,
totally
retooling
our
Workforce,
so
I
hope
I
answered
both
of
the
questions.
B
Yeah
I
do
appreciate
hearing
that.
Thank
you
and
I
also
appreciate
hearing
my
what
I
had
assumed
anyway
around
that
flip
of
the
reduction
in
volunteers
and
that
increase
in
full-time
staff.
Just
given
some
of
the
experiences
we
see
in
other
communities
who
have
tried
to
create
their
own
emergency
services
and
have
frankly
failed
because
of
their
inability
to
find
people
to
actually
then
fill
up
the
ambulance.
B
So
I
do
appreciate
that
I
would
point
to
in
terms
of
just
other
examples:
Green
Mountain,
Transit,
Winooski,
Valley,
Parks,
District,
town
meeting
television,
who
was
just
presenting
earlier,
all
of
whom
are
entities
that
we
have
and
will
have
some
level
of
representation
on
within
their
board
some
level
of
decision
making.
Then,
within
that
board
and
they've,
come
to
us
seeking
seeking
money.
E
B
Are
models
that
could
very
well
work,
similarly
for
for
Essex
rescue
to
help
ensure
the
the
sustainability
of
of
the
organization,
especially
given
this
increase
from
FY
22
of
a
less
than
10
of
your
your
Revenue
coming
from
Municipal
contributions
to
now
over
30
to
two
years
later?
If
that's
just
going
to
continue
to
be
the
pattern
where
it's
becoming
a
municipal
service
nearly
exclusively
instead
of
the
previous
model
of
insurance
donations
and
subscriptions.
P
B
U
I
can
understand
the
the
need
for
and-
and
we
share
that
need
as
well
to
both
understand
how
to
best
serve
the
communities
that
that
we
are
representing
so
completely
open
to
that
and
again,
if
you
want
to
appoint
somebody
directly,
if
we
want
to
take
that
conversation
Beyond
this
meeting,
there
are
a
lot
of
different
models
that
we
can
follow.
We
do
have
a
provision
in
our
bylaws
right
now
for
our
community
Advisory
board
that
we
can
reactivate.
U
It
has
been
inactive
for
a
number
of
years
since
I've
been
on
the
board,
so
I
think
that
might
just
be
an
oversight
of
you
know.
We
didn't
keep
that
thread
going
with
our
community,
so
I
know
at
one
time
it
was
populated,
but
for
whatever
reason
it
has
gone
out
of
favor
and-
and
that
is
something
we
can
reinvigorate
immediately
as
we
pursue
bylaw
changes
to
reshape
what
our
physical
board
makeup
is.
B
H
Other
countries
well
I,
if
I,
if
yeah
thanks
and
that's
a
good
segue,
because
I
I
think
I
agree
with
Andrew,
but
I'd
actually
like
to
take
it
a
step
further
and
I'm
wondering
if,
at
some
point
and
and
nothing
I'm
about
to
say
is
it
should
be
interpreted
as
anything
like
a
criticism,
but
it
it
looks
like
your
funding
is
unpredictable.
Your
costs
are
unpredictable
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
at
some
point
since
we're
talking
about
potentially
putting
having
more
more
representation
on
your
board.
H
Do
you
think
my
question
to
both
of
you?
Do
you
think
that
maybe
a
sort
of
a
global
restructuring
of
how
you
do
things
and
coming
more
under
the
municip,
a
ball
Veil
so
to
speak,
would
benefit
you
in
terms
of
predictability
of
funding
and-
and
let
me
ask
this
other
question
I
have,
if
you,
let's,
let's
just
say,
let's
take
a
go,
go
to
an
extreme.
What?
If
what?
H
So
you
become
very
very
different
than
what
you
are
now,
but
it
might
would
that
benefit
you,
but
would
doing
something
like
that
and
you
might
not
have
looked
into
it.
Would
that
preclude
you
from
collecting
money
from
Medicare
and
Medicaid?
Do
you
need
to
be
completely
independent
from
any?
You
know,
government
structure?
H
Think,
generally
speaking,
my
understanding
and
impression
is:
is
that
you're
you're
providing
great
service,
but
it
it
you're
every
year
your
your
scrambling
trying
to
find
and
anticipate
more
funding
and
coming
around
to
us
and
looking
for
more
for
in
maybe
a
sort
of
a
global
restructuring
of
of
your
organization
might
benefit,
and
and
again
that's
not
meant
as
in
any
way
as
a
criticism.
But
I
don't
know
if
you've
thought
about
doing
something
like
that.
V
U
Just
just
to
further
that
I
think
two
things
that
I'd
like
to
make
clear
one.
Is
you
you've
hit
on
the
exact
thing
that
we've
taken
on
over
the
last
12
to
18
months
with,
which
is
a
recognition
that
our
organizational
structure,
our
Workforce
model,
is
historically
proven,
but
not
able
to
sustain
future
expectations.
So
we
have
taken
on
a
major
internal
restructuring
both
at
the
board
and
the
operational
level,
and
having
said
that
that
that
is
not
to
say
that
it
shouldn't
continue
to
evolve.
It
has
to.
U
We
are
also
a
non-profit
organization
whose
primary
goal
is
serving
the
community.
So
there's
no
ego
in
this
situation
at
all
about
how
we
do
that:
we're
open
to
the
best
methods
in
order
to
accomplish
that
goal,
and
I
I
appreciate
you
recognizing
the
overhead
that
it
would
require
to
pursue
a
an
alternate
means
of
of
starting
an
agency
I'm
here,
because
I
do
still
think
that
this
is
the
best
game
in
town
for
the
services
that
we
provide.
U
B
F
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
want
to
ask
a
question.
Just
maybe
a
suggestion
of
Laurie
hoping
I
appreciate
the
conversation.
I
I,
it's
a
needed
service
but
I
also
know
the
situation.
The
city
council
event.
So
it's
great
to
have
this
conversation
Colleen
touched
on
Medicare
and
Medicaid,
and
that
is
one
of
the
biggest
issues.
B
B
H
C
C
M
So
I
can
start
us
off.
That's
helpful,
yes,
yeah
so
I
think,
as
everybody
knows,
the
hope
and
desires
to
get
everybody
over
here
as
of
July
1st
and
really
what
that
means
right
now
is
essentially
the
clerk
which
is
one
individual
person
right
now,
but
there
are
also
two
other
staff
people
that
were
trying
to
manage
in
addition
to
who
we
have
now
by
July
1.,
the
so
essentially
that
means
10
staff.
M
So,
given
that
it's
it's
really
not
possible
in
the
space
that
we
have
without
something
giving
whether
upstairs
Senior
Center
or
this
this
room.
And
then,
if
we
lose
this
room,
how
do
we
accommodate
that
so
John
and
Lynn
in
his
office
have
put
just
a
couple
more
plans
together.
We
have
also
had
discussions
with
staff.
M
That's
why
Harlan
is
here
as
well,
just
just
thinking
through
options,
but
in
terms
of
what
would
be
really
helpful
on
my
end
from
you.
Folks
tonight
is
just
some
kind
of
overall
direction.
What
what
is
flexible
in
the
scheme
and
what's
your
real
hope
and
desire
for
this
building,
both
near-term
long
term
or
make
the
long
term
happen
fast,
faster
and
just
get
to
that
more
quickly.
So
hopefully,
that's
that's
a
good
enough
kind
of
ground
for
you
to
get
started.
B
Appreciate
that
yeah
I
know
just
quickly
some
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
are
things
like
wanting
to
have
a
meeting
space
that
can
fully
accommodate
a
municipal
meeting.
Today,
it's
going
well
for
the
people
who
we
have
who
we
have.
Currently
there
have
been
times
where,
when
we've
had
more
than
15
or
20
people,
this
room
just
does
not
function
for
that
purpose
anymore,
and
so
something
that
can
accommodate
a
larger
group
makes
sense.
B
Even
in
this
world
of
hybrid
meetings,
staff
not
being
in
the
basement,
I
know
was
something
we've
talked
about
in
the
past.
I,
don't
think
we've
we've
said
yes,
no,
either
way,
but
ultimately
I'm
fairly
certain
we
can
say
we
want
to
do
what's
best
for
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
community,
including
our
staff
and
those
who
come
into
the
building,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
have
people
coming
into
a
portion
of
the
building.
B
H
B
H
Just
one
just
one
question
about:
if,
if
I
can
to
John
in
terms
of
if
I
look
at
the
very
first
diagram
and
I,
don't
think
we
we
don't
have
enough,
but
we
don't
need
to
put
it
up.
One
of
the
questions
I
had
from
early
audience
that
we
said
we're
not
going
to
do
any
renovations
to
the
existing
Senior,
Center
or
teen
center
and
I'm
wondering
how
we
came
to
that
decision,
probably
obvious.
H
But
why
should
we
since
they're,
not
part
of
the
city
government,
we're
just
not
going
to
touch
them,
but
in
looking
at
the
total
space
and
I'm?
Looking
at
your
your
big
diagram,
it's
almost
half
of
the
entire
building
edifice
here
is
Senior
Center
downstairs
and
teen
center
upstairs
and
it
it
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
since
those
organizations
moved
into
those
spaces
back
long
ago
in
the
20th
century,
and
they
were
just
allowed
to
take
as
much
space
as
they
needed
and
because
the
trustees
I
guess
weren't
using
the
space.
H
So
they
kind
of
just
spread
out
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we
renovated
those
faces,
if
we
put
parentheses
around
the
whole
business
of
not
renovating
those
spaces
and
said
we
could
do
some
minor
renovation
to
the
teen
center
and
the
senior
center
such
that
they
would
lose
some
of
their
existing
space.
But
this
face
that
they
move
into
would
be
optimized.
In
other
words,
if
they're
doing
like
upstairs
in
the
teen
center,
it
looks
to
me
when
I've
gone
up
there.
T
That's
a
great
question
and
it
and
it
is
leading
because
we've
we've
started
our
various
designs
and
this
I've
been
joking
in
my
office.
This
is
probably
the
fifth
time
I've
done
a
study
on
this
building
for
municipal
offices,
whether
it's
Village
or
Village,
Bus,
town
or
Town,
collectively
or
one
entity
alone.
Or
what
have
you
so
I've
done?
The
exercise
a
number
of
times
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
square
footage
in
here
that
is
currently
not
used
for
municipal
government
purposes.
T
We
have
not
programmed
the
teen
center
or
the
senior
center
to
see
what
their
ideal
size
is.
I'm
sure
that
they
would,
you
know
like
to
have
as
much
faces
they
have
now,
because
that's
kind
of
the
mentality,
but
but
that's
an
interesting
idea.
That
would
say
well,
we
could
maybe
trade
you
some
space
in
your
new
Arrangement
would
be
better.
You
know
it
might
not
have
as
much
space
but
it'd
be
better
I,
think
the
the
biggest
unknown
is
upstairs
yeah.
T
So
our
concept
and
and
some
of
the
previous
concept
tried
to
use
some
of
upstairs,
and
you
know
we
had
a
few
extra
people
and
then
there
was
some
ideas.
Well,
maybe
the
some
of
the
major
spaces
like
the
meeting
room,
goes
upstairs
and
and
that
the
the
wework
of
the
building
itself
that
had
to
happen
to
make
that
come
to
life
was
seemed
to
me
a
lot.
T
You
know
it's
a
big
lift
to
do
that,
but
you
could
move
staff
upstairs
in
a
heartbeat
change,
the
name
on
the
door
Staff
office,
and
you
know
you
don't
really
have
to
do
anything
else.
So
that's
an
easy
one
if
Arrangements
can
be
made
with
whoever
is
in
all
the
offices
upstairs
or
whatever
they're
using
them.
For.
If
you
just
said,
look,
we
we
need
a
couple
more
offices,
you
know,
let's
see
what
we
can
do,
I'm
sure
that
would
be
productive
and
fairly
inexpensive.
T
H
Yeah
right,
if
I
could
just
have
a
dialogue,
I
mean
it's.
When
I
went
up
there,
it
seems
like
the
place
where
the
the
main,
the
main
city
offices,
now,
where
Regina,
where
everybody
is
upstairs
from
there,
that's
just
one
big
open
room
and
there's
a
table
and
there's
some
chairs
sort
of
scattered
around
it
and
I'm,
not
sure
it's
actually
being
used
for
anything.
It
doesn't
look
like
it
is
it's
just
a
big.
T
Over
the
course
of
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
been
up
there,
three
or
four
times
just
sort
of
checking
it
out
trying
to
make
sure
we
understood
that
the
building
right
and
most
of
the
time
I
would
say
most
of
the
spaces
were
not
populated
with
people
right.
There
were
a
few
times,
including
the
large
room
where
there
was
some
something
going
on,
and
so
again,
I
have
no
idea
exactly
what
their
program
is
or
who's
there
or
how
many
days
a
week,
they're
they're
on
site.
H
H
And
I
I
mean
that's
and
that's
been
the
the
issue
with
this.
We
started
talking
about
this
and
then
we
get
on
to
other
things
back
in
February
and
I
was
going
well
wait
wait
why?
Why
why,
who
said
we
can't
look,
rearrange
this
face
upstairs
or
knock
down
some
walls
with
some
of
those
offices
up
there
and
put
a
few
municipal
offices
up
there
I
understand
that
it
means
you
have
to
put
an
elevator
in
which,
but
again.
T
That's
not
the
end
of
the
world.
That's
a
tricky
question
now.
I
just
have
to
be
careful
with
that
one,
because
you
actually
have
the
obligation
right
now
today
to
have
accessibility.
But
if
you
move
office
to
office,
you
know
different
people
up
and
down
as
long
as
that
program
or
service
or
individual
is
able
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
with
the
public
who's
coming
to
the
building.
T
You
didn't
change
anything
from
today's
expectation
that
you're
accessible
to
a
new
Arrangement,
but
as
soon
as
you
put
a
major
primary
function
like
a
meeting
room
or
something
else
of
significance
up
there
that
changes
the
picture.
So
you
can
rearrange
your
people.
You
still
have
the
obligation
to
be
accessible
at
some
point.
You
will
decide
you're
doing
enough
that
you
want
to
put
the
elevator
in
and
at
some
point
you
may
be
required
by
some
challenge
to.
H
Put
the
elevator
in
yeah
I
mean
I
I.
Do
if
you
don't
mind
me
just
just
going
I
I
mean
I.
Do
wonder
if
we're
saying
okay,
we're
we're
gonna,
make
this
the
seat
of
city
government
for
years
to
come,
we're
gonna,
it's
a
legacy
building
and
we're
gonna
coddle
it
and
take
care
of
it
and
renovate
it.
It
just
seems
like
pretty
obvious
right
now
that
we
would
want
to
make
it
accessible
throughout
I
I
it
to
to
try
to
figure
out
some
configuration
like
well.
H
H
Dumb
thing
to
be
doing,
I
mean
at
what
point:
do
you
bite
the
bullet
and
see
you
if
you
it's
a
public
building,
it
needs
to
be
accessible
throughout
the
building
and
I
understand
how
much
that
adds
to
the
cost.
But
maybe
could
you
on
on
average,
what
little
small
elevator
in
a
building
like
this
cost.
T
B
T
H
B
It's
generally
used
for
for
staff
to
do
the
things
to
prepare
for
and
some
other
other
programming,
but
ultimately
it
would
be
good
to
really
have
this
conversation
to
have
Christina
from
the
team
center
help
to
inform
this
process
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
as
much
factual
information
as
possible.
The
other
thing
with
the
with
the
elevator
and
touching
the
upstairs
faces,
our
original
plans
that
you
provided
had
those
so
we
we
have
talked
about
it.
So
I,
don't
recall,
saying
we
can't
touch
those
faces
and.
Q
T
The
table
I've
I've,
gotten
different
direction
at
different
stuff
study
points.
Okay,
so
when
we
had
more
people
and
we
were
trying
to
do
more
with
the
building
and
the
elevator
was
an
option-
there
was
a
scheme
that
had
the
meeting
space
upstairs.
So
that
was
a
definite
you
know
you
have
to
you.
Can't
you
know,
make
that
kind
of
renovation
without
the
trigger
for
the
elevator.
T
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
I
think
the
one
piece
that
misses
is
missing
from
the
current
couple
of
schemes
that
you
have
is
really
the
larger
meeting
room.
So
we
took
this
as
the
basis
we
said.
If
we
can
keep
this,
what
does
that
mean?
It
basically
means
some
staff
has
to
go
upstairs.
If
that
worked
out
great,
you
know
this
room
can
stay
the
way
it
is
and
be
as
utilized
as
it
is
now,
but
doesn't
get
bigger.
T
If
you
want
it
to
get
bigger,
it
really
kind
of
moves
somewhere,
and
my
preference
is
to
keep
it
on
the
main
floor
somewhere,
but
that
has
an
impact
immediately
on
this
Senior
Center
and
so
until
there's
a
resolution
to
what's
moving.
Where
can
it
go?
What
how
long
term
is
this,
and
and
what
are
the
pieces
in
play
right?
You
know,
that's
that's
where
we
stopped
okay,.
G
H
T
Speaking
I
only
can
tell
you
how
many
bids
we
got
for
The
Brownell
Library
re-roofing,
which
seemed
to
be
an
easy
project,
and
the
number
is
less
than
desirable
today.
So
what's
going
on
is
the
construction
industry
is
very
busy.
You
need
to
give
the
design
side
and
the
construction
side
extra
time
to
be
able
to
create
a
project.
You
know,
and
just
because
I
put
it
out
to
bid,
doesn't
mean
anybody's
going
to
show
up.
It's
I've,
never
seen
anything
like
it
in
25
years.
T
It's
been,
you
know
not
quite
that
tricky,
but
right
now
you
know
we
have
to
call
contractors.
We
have
to
beg
them
to
look
at
the
drawings.
We
have
to
really
offer
it
up
to
them
on
a
plate
to
try
and
get
their
interest
because
they
just
frankly
are
are
too
busy
and
they're
real
trouble.
Is
they
can't
find
the
adequate
subcontractors
who
are
who
are
basically
hand
picking
their
jobs?
T
R
T
Yeah,
that
kind
of
thing-
and
it's
yeah
so
so
when
when
and
when
we
say
July
1
this
something
needs
to
be
in
place
because
we've
got
staff
booming
in
July
one.
That
tells
me
that
we
need
to
be
very
efficient
at
how
we
do
this
and-
and
we
probably
don't
want
to
try
and
get
the
elevator
and
everything
else
into
the
picture
that
fast
it
might
be
possible.
But
I'm
I'm
not
seeing
you
know
strong
evidence
in
the
bidding
community
that
that
they're
willing
to
to
jump
that
fast
foreign.
H
H
And
do
you
have
you
know
in
your
your
Magic
Magical
architectural
mind.
Do
you
have?
Is
there?
Are
there
algorithms
for
saying?
Well
it's
this
activity,
it's
this
many
people.
They
therefore
need
this
much
square
footage.
Do
you
have
those
you
have
those
kinds
of
things
so
if
we
had
a
sense
of
their
population
in
the
teen
center
and
in
in
in
and
for
the
senior
center,
what's
their
average
daily
population?
What's
their
use
What's
the
total
square
footage
you
could
give
a
a
pretty
good
estimate
of
whether
yeah
we
this
would
be.
H
This
is
a
reasonable
space
for
them
to
occupy.
If
we
can
divide
it
up
and
condition
it
the
way
we
need
to-
and
let's
say,
for
example,
they
have
they're
using
a
lot
of
the
senior
center
of
storage.
Well,
we
put
some
really
really
nice
storage
bins
in
the
basement,
because
storage
could
go
in
the
basement
and
then
that
would
free
up
more
space.
That
sort
of
thing
you
can
you
can
provide
that
information.
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
H
A
Yeah
thanks
so
just
quick
priorities
for
me,
because
the
lot's
been
talked
about
already
so
I'll
just
give
you
my
my
thought
process
on
this.
It
sounds
like
nothing's
going
to
be
quick,
so
we'll
probably
be
dealing
with
two
phases,
which
is
a
little
disappointing,
but
totally
understandable
100
for
the
elevator
I
think
we
really
ought
to
ought
to
think
about
with,
because
the
senior
center
and
the
teen
center
use
the
space
at
times
that
can
be
shared
for
the
most
part.
A
I
think
we
really
need
to
be
thinking
about
how
we
lay
them
out
how
we
set
them
up.
They
might
have
their
own
particular
spaces,
but
in
the
middle
of
some
common
space
they
share,
we
have
limited.
You
know
the
community
ask
us
to
separate
and
do
this
and
we
have
limited
space.
So
the
other
thing
we
might
consider
is
going
to
the
school
board
and
talking
to
them
about
you
know
getting
a
conversation
about
about
the
teen
center
with
them.
A
I
also
know
that
it
sounds
like
the
school
board's
interested
in
increasing
multi-generational
opportunities
for
their
students.
They
may
also
be
open
to
talking
about
something
around
this
around
the
senior
center,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
take
some
time
which
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
kind
of
Flesh
all
that
out,
but
I
do
think
that
those
two
entities
can
share
some
space.
A
They
may
still
have
their
own
dedicated,
but
maybe
somewhere
in
the
middle
there's,
a
common
room
that
they
share.
Common
space
is
also
really
hard
in
this
community
and
we
have
the
kovor
room.
I,
can't
really
think
of
any
other
Municipal
space
people
can
rent,
except
for
the
the
main
Child
Care
Room
at
djrp
at
Maple
Street.
So
as
we're
thinking
about
this,
the
meeting
room
needs
to
be
sufficiently
large
for
a
good
meeting
and
we
also
need
to
be
able
to
you
know,
service
the
community
as
a
community
center
of
sorts.
A
So
you
know
I
think
we're
going
to
need
a
big
space
for
that
I'm,
hoping
we're
going
to
plan
on
having
more
employees.
We're
doing
this
now
for
a
few
million
dollars,
a
couple
million
dollars
that
we're
you
know
creating
space
at
the
end
of
the
second
phase.
You
know
that
is
expandable
and
I
guess
the
last
thing
I'd
say
which
I
don't
know
how
popular
this
is
going
to
be,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
start
thinking
about.
As
we
welcome
more
people
downtown.
A
N
I
think
most
of
my
thoughts
have
been
covered,
I
mean
personally
I
I
know
you
mentioned
Andrew
like
the
the
basement.
I
I
would
prefer
to
keep
folks
out
of
the
basement.
Have
that
be
storage
as
George
indicated,
and
for
me
the
goal
has
always
been
to
to
shoot
for
what
our
end
goal
is
not
to
not
to
do
a
you
know,
hey
we'll,
do
10
this
time
and
then
maybe
we'll
add
a
couple
of
employees.
The
goal
is
to
be
at
13.,
so
I
think
we
need
to.
N
H
So
what
we're
saying
is
that
we
want
to
do
one
phase,
one
which
might
be
sort
of
a
minor
renovation
in
order,
because
by
July
we
are
going
to
just
need
the
space,
and
so
this
wouldn't
be
part
of
the
real
permanent
rebuild,
but
we're
just
going
to
do
a
kind
of
a
a
minor
rebuild
to
make
sure
we
have
accommodations
for
everybody
by
July
1st
next
year
and
then
the
major
rebuild
of
other
parts
of
the
building
that
would
take
that's
phase.
Two
is
that
is
that
what
you're
saying
that.
M
That
was
my
thinking
in
the
reality
of
July
one
right
and
how
to
make
that
work.
Okay,
it
doesn't
it's
not
the
only
option.
Necessarily,
we
could
certainly
be
thinking
through
how
to
just
do
figure
out
our
ultimate
end
goal
figure
out
how
to
make
that
work.
The
reality
is
just
not
likely
to
be
July
1..
M
So
there
is
a
second
part
of
this
agenda
item
where
we
could
potentially
go
into
executive
session
to
figure
out
if
there
are
other
lease
type
options
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
through,
and
you
know,
certainly
without
a
doubt,
big
picture.
If
we're
doing
one
renovation
that
is
ultimately
cheaper
than
two
Renovations,
so
that
that
makes
some
sense,
it's
really
more
just.
B
And
just
along
that
line,
looking
to
the
experts
in
the
room
who
do
this
on
a
regular
basis,
my
assumption
is
is
to
accommodate
13
people
coming
in
here.
The
only
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
is
to
by
July
1st
is
to
have
there
be
a
smaller
renovation
to
get
the
bodies
in
here
to
to
be
able
to
function
and
that
the
longer
term
ideals
of
things
like
a
larger
meeting
room
things
like
possibly
an
elevator
so
on
and
so
forth.
Those
may
need
to
wait
for
a
phase
two.
T
P
T
And
it's
it's
more
of
a
reconfiguration.
It's
fairly
minor
I
think
it's
a
really
good
plan
because
it
allows
you
to
to
keep
going
use
the
space
you
actually
have
and
I
think
if,
if
you
can
begin
discussions
with
the
utilization
of
the
upstairs
offices,
you're
all
the
way
there
with
with
very
little
renovation
that
affects
fabric
of
the
building,
which
I
think
if
you're
to
get
through
your
phase
two
and
your
long-term
goals,
we've
got
to
really
study
what
parts
of
the
building
you're
willing
to
give
up
or
change.
T
If
any-
and
you
know
you
guys-
are
stewards
of
this
building,
this
is
a
this-
is
a
public
building.
That's
been
here,
as
in
one
former
fashion,
for
for
a
long
time
it's
it
is
you're
a
namesake
building
for
the
community.
It's
a
real
feature.
So
you'll
want
to
be
careful
with
the
modifications
that
happen
to
it
and
and
I
think
that's
what's
going
to
take
a
little
time
because
there's
some
movement
in
these
plans
towards
creating
more
of
a
staff
area
and
a
public
area
and
I
think
that's
good.
T
But
you
know:
I
just
did
a
tour
of
I
just
did
a
tour
of
the
State,
the
state
capitol
last
night,
and
it
was
fascinating
because
they
gone.
They
went
through
all
the
same
questions
about
how
do
we
keep
this
old,
beautiful
building
a
functioning
municipal
or
you
know
governmental
facility
and
essentially
a
museum
for
the
people
right?
How
do
you
do
that?
And-
and
it's
fascinating
to
see
how
they've
wrestled
with
that
over
the
years
and
the
things
that
they've
changed?
T
So
you
have
a
similar
situation
here,
where
the
more
Municipal
activity
you're
looking
to
do
here,
the
business
of
of
the
municipality.
You
need
those
faces,
but
you
also
have
a
public
face
to
present
and
and
you're.
You've
really
got
to
balance
that
carefully,
especially
if
you're
planning
on
disturbing
things
and
Building
Things,
so
yeah
I
wanted
I
just
want
to
just
say
this
phase.
T
One
gives
you
a
chance
to
get
to
get
our
people
in
here
to
get
get
them
working
again
without
you
know
a
lot
of
rearranging,
especially
if
you
know,
for
example,
if
you
put
a
few
people
upstairs,
you
don't
have
to
touch
this
from
right.
So
so
the
discussions
on
who's
upstairs
and
how
does
it
get
used
and
is
it
efficient
or
can
we
consolidate
and
share,
is,
is
a
really
important
one
and
you
know
I
can
help
guide
that
discussion,
but
it's
it
needs
to
be
the
Principal
players
here.
B
It
was,
it
was
pretty
loud
and
clear
to
us
it
loud
and
clear
to
me
where
our
community
said
be
an
independent
municipality,
have
few
ties
to
any
other
municipality,
and
so
as
such
to
fully
see
that
through.
We
need
to
have
this
be
the
center
of
government
and
along
that
line,
we
have
tenants
who
are
utilizing
to
some
degree,
some
of
the
spaces,
but
we've
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
community
that
we
need
to
make
this
happen
yeah.
B
What
I
think
we
talked
about
is
to
not
improve
them
for
those
uses,
but
also
I,
think
about
things
like
in
that
main
room
for
Essex
chips.
When
I've
had
some
tours
up
there.
In
my
own
child
who
goes
up
there,
there's
a
giant
beam
of
some
kind
that
is
causing
some
buckling,
which
sounds
like
there
could
be
some
safety
issues
and
so
I
I
wonder
as
well
about
do.
We,
while
we're
here,
make
some
improvements
like
that
to
ensure
the
long-term
use,
viability
and
safety
of
this
building.
T
So
we're
we're,
we've
looked
about
a
number
of
times,
I
think
somebody
actually
analyzed
it
for
you,
so
I
I'm
relatively
comfortable
that
it's
not
a
significant
concern,
although
it's
it
looks
odd
and
the
column
in
a
very
strange
spot
I.
My
understanding
is
that
used
to
be
a
fire
station,
so
the
whole
Bay
Arrangement
is
different
than
what
it
looks
like
now.
But
one
of
the
photos
right
across
the
hall
here
is-
or
maybe
one
in
the
the
books
that
we
have
it's.
It
shows
fire
station.
T
Yes
right,
so
if
the
modifications
again
to
this
building
have
been
extensive
over
the
years,
so
you
could
do
a
lot
and
still
not
be
completely
out
of
character
in
the
life
of
the
building.
But
we
just
need
to
be
sure.
That's
what
we
want
to
do.
So
we
can
analyze
anything
you
want
and
we
know
who
can
can
do
it,
but
but
I
think
you're,
seeing
a
Vestige
of
some
previous
life
that
is
still
still
there.
B
Know
yeah,
so
what
I
think
I'm
taking
away
from
the
the
conversation
is
a
general
consensus.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
counselors
to
move
forward
with
a
phase
one
of
some
type
to
do
what
we
can
to
ensure
July
1st
that
this
can
be
a
functioning
Municipal
Hub
with
that
mindset
of
it
being
a
warm
inviting
space
to
the
public
to
be
that
that
Municipal
Hub.
So
more
than
my
articulation
of
getting
of
getting
our
staff
in
the
buildings
and
stopping
there,
but
making
sure
that
they
have
good
adequate
workspace.
T
And
and
the
basement
and
Noah's
real
issue
with
the
basement
is
it
just
is
dampish
as
many
basements
are
and
I
I,
so
I
think
part
of
the
conversation
should
be
about
some
air
systems
that
improve
the
yes
air
quality
down
there.
Whether
there's
anybody
down
there
or
not
I
mean
it
still
is
a
decent
research
and
temporary
space.
If
you're
not
assigned
permanently
to
it,
it
should
be
fine,
but
but
air
quality
should
be.
You
know
we
have
the
tools
to
do
better.
Yeah.
B
Totally
on
board
with
that,
that
was
something
we
talked
about
in
one
of
our
first
conversations
was
about
ensuring
that
the
HVAC
system,
or
that
the
airflow
system
in
general,
is
something
that,
given
what
we
know
about
air
quality,
coveted
concerns.
Things
like
that
that
our
staff
are
able
to
work
and
has
healthy,
oven
atmosphere
to
breathe
as
possible.
Yeah
good.
M
T
The
they
like
it'll,
be
less
expensive
for
the
construction
activity
and
faster,
if
you're
not
in
their
way
yeah.
So
I
can't
remember
what
happened
when
we
renovated
the
clerks
area
last
time,
whether
they
temporarily
set
up
in
some
of
the
other
spaces,
but
that
that
happened
in
a
couple
of
months
or
something
it
wasn't
very
long
and
it
and
the
mostly
cosmetic
and
new
counters
and
flooring
and
so
forth.
But
it
it
can
be
done
with
you
here.
C
A
John
is
there
has
there
been?
Any
kind
of
this
has
been
a
long
drawn
out
conversation
multiple
times,
as
you
said
so,
I
apologize
for.
If
we've
already
talked
about
this,
has
there
been
any
kind
of
look
at
sort
of
future
proofing
the
efficiency
of
the
building
and
really
kind
of
taking
a
look?
If
we're
having
to
move
HVAC
I
mean?
A
T
A
lot
of
those
questions
come
down
to
the
mechanical
and
electrical
system,
so
we
would
want
to
bring
in
designers
that
would
handle
those
trades.
You
know,
for
example,
the
building
doesn't
have
any
Hollow
spots
that
you
can
run
ductwork.
So
do
you
create
some?
You
know:
do
you
take
over
old
chimney?
Shafts
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
to
do
it,
but
but
they
all
require
some
pretty
delicate
coordination
to
avoid
being
obvious.
So
so
there
are
many
challenges
like
that.
T
A
Well,
I
guess
I
guess
I'd
want
to!
You
know,
try
to
preserve
the
character,
but
also
make
sure
that
you
know
again
we're
sort
of
future
proofing
this
and,
and
while
it
may
be
a
little
expensive
up
front.
You
know
over
the
next
10
or
20
years
lifespan
of
some
of
that
mechanical
that
we're
we're
saving
over
time.
Yeah
I'm
just
wondering
if.
T
T
B
T
T
T
H
Have
one
last
question
yeah
and
all
of
these
plans
you
show
and
I
just
get
just
curious.
You
show
a
large
seating
sitting
area
around
the
vault
and
my
question
is:
there's
there's
actually
nothing
all
of
the
village
of
Essex
Junction
documents
are
going
to
stay
in
the
town
Vault,
so
the
only
the
only
documents
that
would
be
going
into
the
into
the
city,
the
city
Vault,
will
be
documents
that
are
created.
As
of
now
you
know,
post,
July,
2022
and
all
of
those
I'm
assuming
are
going
to
be
digit.
H
T
T
Up
until
then
stays
stays
at
the
Town
Vault
and
and
after
that
things
start
to
show
up
here
so
you're,
absolutely
right.
The
vault's
gonna
have
nothing
in
it,
but
you
know
a
page
or
two
as
I
forget
how
many
pages
a
year
that
end
up
getting
filled
in
but
yeah
the
Vault
itself.
If
that's
the
the
story,
The
Vault
should
be
relatively
it'll,
have
capacity
for
a
long
time
to
come.
Yes,
yeah.
M
We
definitely
have
to
figure
this
out
with
Susan,
so
she
definitely
has
started
City
books
over
there
at
the
town,
and
so
they
will
come
and
that
to
me
in
and
of
itself
means
she
is
still
taking
paper.
I
think
they
are
also
digitized
right
away
and
put
into
a
digital
system,
but
I
think
there
is
still
going
to
be
paper.
But
this
is
definitely
a
question.
We've
got
a
workout
yeah.
T
Because
I
in
my
mind,
you
know
we
can
look
up
almost
anything
now
we're
all
used
to
saying:
okay,
well,
you
know,
I
I,
don't
have
to
be
I
could
be
at
home.
I
could
be
anywhere
and
find
what
I
need,
but
that's
sort
of
a
legal
question
in
some
ways
like
what
what
is
the
real
legal
title
search
person
have
to
see
in
order
for
it
to
be.
You
know
considered
valid,
and
you
know
so
so.
T
I
I
would
that's
something
that
I
think
Regina
and
I
already
identified
as
as
a
a
process
that
affects
space
and
and
you're
right.
If
the
answer
isn't,
they
need
to
be
physically
and
and
in
individually
supervised
by
somebody
in
person,
while
they're
holding
those
documents,
you
know
and
they're
not
allowed
out,
there's
a
space
requirement
for
that
yeah.
If
that
goes
away,
you're.
M
Yeah,
so
really,
the
main
point
of
this
agenda
item
is
to
get
your
folks
feedback
on
your
ideas
and
thoughts
for
fy24
budget,
but
the
memo
itself
just
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
a
few
things.
Just
so
you
can
kind
of
keep
those
in
the
back
of
your
mind
to
Lincoln
was
one
of
those
and
then
in
the
memo
you
see
a
arpa
funds.
Balance
report,
just
in
terms
of
what's
actually
been
spent
on
that
and
what
has
been
thought
of,
but
potentially
not
needed.
M
M
C
M
H
I
I,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
I,
don't
know
since
I'm
live
I,
guess
I
can
jump
right
in
yeah,
I
I,
just
just
as
a
side
note
Regina
and
the
Amtrak
station
renovation
I
believe
that
there
were,
you
know
there.
There
was
an
actual
plan
and
it's
not
just
the
renovation.
It's
tracked,
there's
a
whole
traffic
pattern
and
reconfiguration
of
the
traffic
and
I
think
that
was
all
part
of
the
package
that
went
with
the
application
for
the
grant
that
you
and
I.
H
And
then
I'm
I'm
very
I'm,
delighted
to
see
that
we're
going
to
begin
the
conversation
on
on
the
Public
Works
facility
upgrade
and
I
note
that
Andrew
got
you
the
copy
I
I
could
quit,
and
the
only
thing
I'll
say
is
that
John
did
an
estimate
of
the
of
the
the
space
needs
and
the
the
estimated
cost
was
pretty
broad.
It
was
somewhere
between
3
point.
H
H
That's
why
I
look
at
those
two
things
and
that's
why
I'm
very
interested
in
trying
to
keep
any
new
costs
since
we've
got
so
many
moving
Parts
in
the
with
the
city
and
new
sources
of
revenue,
but
great
big
new
expenditures.
I'd
like
to
keep
personally
just
my
opinion.
I
would
like
to
keep
any
new
expenditures
limit
limited
as
much
as
possible
and
just
try
to
deliver
some
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
tax
relief
to
our
constituents.
B
H
B
H
P
P
B
I
asked
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
it's
been
asked
from
the
community
for
years
around
having
proactive
ordinance
enforcement
and
code
ordinance
enforcement
in
a
proactive,
Way
Beyond,
just
increasing
the
amount
of
money
that
we
give
to
our
our
legal
counsel
to
have
them
send
letters
in
addition
to
that,
something
that
we've
talked
about.
George
I,
think
it's
like
six,
seven
or
so
years
ago,
but
we've
talked
about
having
a
rental
registry.
B
Yes,
have
we
had
Winooski
come
and
talked
about
their
process
right,
potentially,
that
can
be
a
way
to
be
cost
neutral.
If
it's
done
in
a
in
a
certain
way
and
at
the
same
time
there
could
be
some
alignment
with
code
enforcement,
as
well
as
with
a
health
officer,
something
that
the
state
has
failed
to
really
improve
upon
for
years,
similar
with
rental,
Housing,
Registry
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
at
a
point
in
time
where
we
can
just
continue
to
wait
for
the
state
to
solve
this
problem.
B
At
the
same
time,
something
I've
talked
to
a
few
other
committee
members
about
not
on
the
council,
but
just
on
other
committees
having
training
dollars
for
our
committee
members
to
attend
various
trainings
to
help
them
improve
their
own
capabilities
to
help
serve
our
community
and
theoretically.
If
we
all
wanted
to
attend,
trainings
I,
don't
think,
we've
ever
really
had
the
conversation
about
how
to
do
that.
Other
than
hey.
B
The
other
thing
that
we
also
haven't
talked
about
in
a
long
time
is
the
fire
department.
Building
as
well
is
symbol
not
as
bad
as
the
Public
Works
building,
but
certainly
is
not
something.
That's
can
really
continue
for
the
next
20
years
as
I
understand
it
and
so
having
some
level
of
conversation
with
with
Chief
gabori
on
the
fire
department
around.
H
P
P
H
B
It
I
would
assume
that
it
would
likely
be
some
type
of
an
expansion
of
the
Community
Development
Department,
so
that
that
way,
it's
not
you
know
the
same
person
approving
what
applications
the
same
person
forcing
to
separate
that
Duty
and
that's
where
there
could
theoretically
be
some
alignment
with
that
rental
registry.
In
some
capacity.
R
A
All
right,
I'll
go,
let's
keep
things
moving
along,
I'll,
say:
I,
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
so
far,
just
to
move
things,
along,
maybe
add
to
the
rental
register.
I've
been
hearing
been
hearing
from
some
of
our
new
tenants
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
stories
about
what
they're
enduring
and
some
of
the
new
buildings.
Those
tenants
so
for
rental
registry
include
some
sort
of
inspection
or
other
method
for
them
to
seek
some
redress
or
have
have
an
ear
in
the
municipality
for
for
some
of
what
they're
dealing
with
I.
A
A
So
I
guess
you
know
getting
input
from
you,
Regina
from
staff
and
from
the
counselors
on
how
they
how
we
want
to
move
forward.
You
know
a
lot
of
that
work.
That's
happening
in
that
group.
Right
now
is
looking
at
citizen
advisory
boards
for
our
Police
Department.
It's
been
a
great
conversation.
Chief
Vogue
is
is
very
much
involved
in
that.
A
A
I
guess
the
last
thing
for
ordinance
enforcement
was:
we've
talked
about
this
a
number
of
times
and
I
think
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
again
when
we
review
the
LDC
but
I
think
I
think
we
need
a
really
good
look
at
those
fees
to
help
offset
some
of
that
enforcement
action
and
really
come
up
to
date.
I
think
John
said
the
last
time
we
talked
about
the
LDC
that
they
were
way
behind
and
very
low
compared
to
other
communities,
so
I
think
that's
all
I
got
right
now.
N
N
We've
seen
a
lot
of
new
committee
members
and
I
know
I've
had
folks
that
have
said
specifically
to
me
on
how
much
they
appreciate
that
stipend
I
agree
on
the
code
enforcement
piece
and
I
was
going
to
say
exactly
what
Raj
said
about
Revenue,
because
that's
my
I'm,
a
broken
record
and
I
say
this
every
single
year.
So
this
year
is
not
going
to
be
any
different.
We
always
focus
on
the
expense
and
we
never
focus
on
the
revenue
and
so
I
I
know
we.
N
We
did
just
increase
fees
on
the
planning
side,
but
even
just
taking
a
look
at
those
again
costs
have
gone
up
everyone.
Everyone
is
increasing
fees,
I
always
I
always
use
the
example.
Just
because
it's
one
that
I
I'm
thoroughly
familiar
with
you
know,
we
charge
fifty
dollars
to
get
a
zoning
compliance
certificate
to
issue
that,
to
a
person,
who's
selling
their
house
and
we're
sending
an
employee
out
to
that
house
to
do
an
inspection.
Are
we
recouping
any
at
fifty
dollars?
Granted
we
just
increased
it
from
25,
so
we
are
seeing.
M
I,
don't
think
so
that
is
super
helpful
I
would
like
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
from
folks
and
I.
Don't
need
it
right
now
about
when
you,
when
you
meet,
when
you
say
code
enforcement
and
what's
not
being
enforced,
I
would
I
would
love
to
hear
specifically
what
that
means
so,
but
don't
need
that
right
now,
but
unless
you're
ready
to
to
get
me
some
specific
right
now.
B
Well,
I'm
happy
to
share
one
just
for
the
community
who's
who's
listening,
either
physically,
here
or
or
remotely
there's
a
dumpster,
for
instance,
from
a
construction
project
where
whether
the
construction
project
is
still
continuing
or
not.
The
dumpster
has
historically
been
in
a
place
where
it
should
not
have
been
and
has
been
there
literally
for
six
to
eight
months,
and
it
took
a
Community
member
to
say
to
us
hey.
This
has
been
going
on
for
a
while.
A
A
Just
you
know
that
kind
of
there's
a
there's:
a
property
on
West
Street,
there's
a
couple
properties
on
West
Street,
just
just
a
way
to
to
have
someone
that
can
receive
these
calls,
and
you
know,
research
whether
it
is
actually
an
issue
and
try
to
follow
up
with
a
landowner
to
work
with
them
to
see.
If
there's
a
way
to
to
correct
any
possible.
You
know
potential
issues
and,
if
they're
not
willing
to
rectify
anything,
then
to
follow
up
further
I.
A
N
N
B
N
B
That
line
is
a
slight
aside
with
sandwich
boards,
something
that
again,
a
previous
iteration
of
this
board
had
talked
about
was:
do
we
offer
a
municipal,
Sandwich
Board
where
there
might
be
a
fee
associated
with
it,
but
it
would
allow
for
some
additional
additional
opportunities
to
be
out
longer
or
or
something
along.
That
line
had
been
floated
around
as
another
way
of
not
just
looking
at
the
expense
side,
but
as
a
revenue,
potential
Revenue
thing
well,.
A
A
Isn't
it
sort
of
up
to
the
property
owner
if
they
have
more
businesses
than
the
sign
they
originally
applied
for
I
mean
shouldn't
the
landlord
be
coming
back
and
applying
for
a
larger
sign
if
they've
added
businesses
to
these
places,
because
they
make
a
lot
of
them,
for
instance
on
Pearl
Streeter,
because
I
mean
they're
out
there,
because
there
are
no
there's,
no
signage
for
them.
There's
no
space
on
the
commercial
sign.
That's
been
that's
been
put
out
on
Pearl,
Street
and
I'm
thinking
of
I'm,
not
going
to
say
what
I'm
thinking
of
I.
N
A
Well,
I
mean
the
donut
place
does
too
on
Pearl
Street.
It
has
no
sign
because
it's
behind
and
there's
no
room
on
this
on
post
office
Plaza.
So
that's
true.
That's
that's
the
only
that's
the
only
it's
advertising,
but
if
the
land,
if
the
property
owner
increase
the
size
of
his
sign
and
put
that
business
in
a
sign
or
her
sign,
then
that
you
know
it's
just
just
one
of
those
yeah.
P
H
P
B
M
O
B
Thank
you,
Regina
I,
believe.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
discussion
and
potential
action
on
tree
farm
management,
as
is
outlined
in
the
memo
and
I,
would
just
reiterate.
I
really
think
it
would
be
important
for
our
board
to
have
this
conversation
in
executive
session.
So
are
we
okay
just
continuing
on
with
the
rest
of
the
agenda
and
then
doing
an
executive
session
at
the.
B
C
B
One
of
the
things
just
to
to
point
out
again
the
all
Hazard
mitigation
plan
that
teeny
tiny
little
document,
that
if
anybody
is
having
any
any
sleeping
issues,
please
take
a
read
just
to
get
that
out
there
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
it
will
be
coming
to
us
for
our
next
meeting.
Correct.
Yes,.
M
M
B
M
B
I
appreciate
hearing
that
it
also
just
wanted
to
point
out
the
the
permanent
Amendment
for
the
92
to
100
Pearl
Street,
also
to
make
that
plug
for
the
cswd
warning
on
the
bond
vote
for
the
recycling
facility
and
to
also
just
explicitly
state
for
anybody
listening.
That
is
not
a
proactively
mailed
out
ballot,
and
so
you
must
request
that
you
can
do
it
through
the
Secretary
of
State's
office
contact,
Susan
McNamara
hill,
our
clerk
to
request
that
ballot.
B
Otherwise,
you
will
need
to
to
show
up
to
votes
either
at
the
high
school
or
through
early
voting,
and
then
something
that
I
didn't
mention
at
the
end
or
our
last
meeting
was
just
the
appreciation
on
Junction
Jam
again,
I.
Don't
think
we
had
the
opportunity
to
appreciate
the
staff
who
really
helped
to
put
that
on
yeah,
so
Ashley
Harlan,
Brad
I
know
that
there
were
a
slew
of
other
people
who
were
significantly
involved
in
the
planning.
B
The
execution
really
appreciate
that
it
was
a
fantastic
event,
I
really
appreciated
being
there
from
what
I
understand
it
was
certainly
the
first
day
was
very
well
attended
from
what
I
saw
and
experienced
and
would
love
to
just
see
an
updates
at
some
point
in
time
around
how
the
how
many
of
the
vouchers
ended
up
being
used
instead
of
curiosity
but
to
the
staff.
Thank
you
again
also
to
the
volunteers.
Who've
helped
over
the
years
to
plan
that
thank
you
all
and
on
that
and
I
see
hamburger
Amber
Amber's.
E
B
N
B
Oh
wait:
oh
I
got
it
I
got
one.
You
got
it.
Yeah
I'm,
just
gonna.
Do
both
motions
at
once.
I'll
I'll
move
to
find
the
premature
general
public
knowledge
regarding
contracts
associated
with
the
tree
farm
recreation
facility
would
clearly
place
the
city
at
a
substantial
disadvantage,
because
the
council
risks
disclosing
its
negotiation
strategy.
B
If
it
discusses
the
contract
terms
of
public
further
move
that
we
go
into
executive
session
to
discuss
contracts
under
the
provisions
of
Title,
1,
Section,
313,
A1
of
the
Vermont
statutes
and
to
negot
to
yeah
and
to
negotiate
or
secure
real
estate
purchase
or
lease
options
under
Title
1,
Section,
313,
A2,
other
Vermont
statutes,
and
to
include
Regina
Mahoney.
Brad
luck
and
Harlan
Smith
I'll.