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Call to Order 00:00:00
Announcements and City Manager's Report 00:01:59
Proposed Amendments to the LDR 00:21:28
Update on ARPA Funds 00:12:53
Affordable Housing Funding Discussion 00:45:12
ARPA Survey Report 01:54:39
Update on Wheeler Dog Park 02:40:41
FY24 Budget Discussion 03:26:19
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A
C
Great,
thank
you.
So
for
those
in
the
room,
there
are
two
doors
on
either
side
of
the
rear
of
the
auditorium.
You
can
go
out
either
one
and
turn
right
or
left
to
get
outside
for
those
participating
online.
If
you
are
interested
in
making
comment,
you
can
message
me
in
the
chat
and
we
will
call
on
you
or
you
can
just
turn
your
cameras
on
and
we
will
know
you
would
like
to
participate.
We
are
not
monitoring
the
chat
for
content.
C
A
A
Okay,
so
seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
item
four
comments
and
questions
from
the
public
on
that
are
not
related
to
anything
on
the
agenda.
Is
there
anyone
who
is
here
in
person
who
wishes
to
do
that?
There
are
a
couple
people,
but
all
right.
Is
there
anyone
online
who
wanted
to
make
a
comment
all
right,
seeing
none.
A
D
Sure
I
just
would
like
to
report
that
had
multiple
conversations
with
staff
and
the
committee
for
common
area
of
dogs
and
we'll
continue
to
have
that
conversation
tonight,
also
it's
more
my
neighborhood
and
tim's
neighborhood.
But
there
was
a
concern
about
the
movement
of
construction
traffic
on
summerfield
lane,
insider
mill,
drive,
paul,
connor,
stepped
right
up
and
provided
an
explanation
to
the
residents
and
just
another
example
of
great
customer
service
that
we
have
explaining
why
those
trucks
were
there
and
making
sure
that
they
didn't
continue
on
that
path.
D
A
E
Yes,
I
was
the
only
city
counselor
to
attend
the
grand
opening
ribbon,
cutting
of
the
szymanski
pickleball
resurfacing
painting
and
the
basketball
courts.
My
sister
from
canada
teresa
was
here
for
a
few
days,
and
I
took
her
down
there
introduced
to
introduce
her
to
holly
and
adam
and
took
pictures
lots
of
pictures
and.
F
E
A
great
facility
and
what
a
really
exciting
group
of
people
out
there
just
whacking
the
heck
out
of
that
ball.
I
was
they
were
like
tim
complain,
I'm
like
no.
First
of
all,
I'm
not
dressed
for
it.
I
don't
write
shoes
for
it
and
I
don't
want
to
get
sweaty
right
now,
because
it
was
a
warm
day
so
really
glad
to
see
that
work
by
recreation
and
parks
and
nice
facility
good,
good,
resurfacing
and
painting.
I
also
went
to
the
bridge
design
meeting
last
week.
Oh.
E
H
B
E
I
also
visited
portsmouth
new
hampshire
over
the
weekend
labor
day
weekend
and
was
happened
upon
the
portsmouth
prescott
park,
arts
festival
and
they
had
a
huge
like
soundstage
built
with
lighting
and
the
park
was
filled
with.
Probably
I
don't
know,
a
thousand
people
and
a
folk
band
from
canada
called
wild
rivers
was
opening
their
american
tour
there
and
it
was
really
what
a
great
crowd
what
a
great
night
we
just
stumbled
upon
it
because
we
heard
music.
E
You
know
we
just
walked
towards
it
and
then
found
that-
and
it
was
a
really
nice
small
vacation
to
spend
there
as
well
as
going
to
the
beach
and
having
two
good
beach
days.
But
on
our
way
we
witnessed
and
were
part
of
the
problem
with
that
vtrans
has
at
the
richmond
merge
site.
Where
you
know,
89
requires
people
to
go
into
the
left
lane
ends.
You
have
to
merge
the
right
side
and
on
both
ends
of
that
area.
E
On
friday
of
labor
day
weekend
at
4
20,
when
we
were
traveling,
we
saw
people
blocking
the
middle
lane
straddling
the
line
to
prevent
people
to
use
the
left
lane
to
fill
up
both
lanes.
To
get
to
the
merge
point,
and
that's
why
I
saw
a
vt
digger
article
saying
that
the
vtrans
is
going
to
have
to
reevaluate
that
area
and
then
ask
people
to
do
the
zipper
merge.
G
D
E
You
use
both
lanes
if
you
use
both
lanes
to
get
up
to
the
merge
point
and
you're
going
nice
and
slow
guess
what
you
can
alternate
and
then
you
only
take
up
half
the
distance
that
you
normally
would,
if
you
didn't,
fill
one
lane
and
then
there's
less
animosity,
and
I
just
want
to
urge
everybody-
be
courteous
on
a
highway
at
merge
sections
and
use
both
full
lanes
and
be
nice.
That's
all.
I
want
to
ask
well.
A
Somewhere
else,
yeah
that's
great
yeah
anyway.
Well,
I'm
glad
you
went
to
both
those
events,
because
I
I
would
have
because
I
love
pickleball
and
I'm
really
interested
in
the
bridge,
but
I
was
gainfully
employed.
I
guess
in
texas,
welcoming
to
this
world
a
new
grandson,
and
so
everyone
is
doing
really
well
and
it
was
just
always
fun
to
see
it's.
My
youngest
daughter,
it's
her
first
child
and
she's.
Just
such
a
natural
mother,
it
was
just
lovely
to
watch
and
oversea,
so
it
was
great.
C
C
C
It
no
it's
a
good
question:
it
will
all
be
market
rate
housing,
it
will
be
majority
owned
and
operated
by
snyder
braverman
or
their
entity
with
uvm
having
access
to
those
units.
So
if,
if
they're
not
full
with
graduate
students
staff
faculty
residents,
they
will
go
out
into
the
open
market.
It'll
be
market
rate,
housing.
C
C
It's
also
just
to
preview
very
good
news
for
our,
I
think,
for
our
tif
bonvo
on
town
meeting
day
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
to
the
community
that
this
community
vision
is
really
being
realized
in
advance
of
that
final
tip
bond
vote,
some
comings
and
goings
on
the
staff
level
on
september
1st,
our
senior
firefighter
roger
pigeon
retired
after
20
years,
and
we
had
a
lovely
event
celebrating
his
service
and
we
also
welcomed
marty
gillies
to
the
role
of
development
review.
Planner
with
the
planning
and
zoning
department.
C
Marty
gillis.
I
also
want
to
thank
tim
and
our
neighbors
who
attended
the
bike.
Ped
bridge
community
stakeholder
meetings.
Over
the
last
week.
We
are
accepting
community
feedback
through
september
12th,
so
out
here
in
the
hallway.
There
are
post-its
and
surveys,
there's
also
a
qr
code
on
the
website
that
folks
can
go
to
look
at
the
three
different
options
and
provide
their
comments.
C
C
As
you
likely
have
seen,
dorset
street
is
being
repaved
that
may
be
creating
some
consternation
for
folks.
They
were
out
there
as
of
this
morning.
They
will
be
out
there
for
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
The
bad
traffic
days
right
now
are
scheduled
to
be
today
and
tomorrow,
as
they
do
the
milling
and
then
the
29th
and
the
30th
as
they
do
the
paving
between
that
time.
There
will
be
interruption,
but
it
won't
be
as
much
lane
incursion
and
then
a
couple
of
other
upcoming
events.
C
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Moving
on
to
the
con
excuse
me
the
consent
agenda.
We
have
three
items:
the
disbursements
ratifying
an
exact
execution
of
the
third
amendment
to
the
closing
assumption
and
priority
agreement
for
the
farrell
street
senior
housing,
limited
partnership
and
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
execute
and
submit
to
the
city
clerk
for
recording
a
replacement,
irrevocable
author
offer
of
dedication
related
to
garden
street.
So
I'll
move
that.
A
A
J
You
helen,
so
we
thought
before
we
had
the
larger
discussion
about
arpa
planning
for
the
future.
It
would
be
a
good
time
to
take
a
look
back
and
see
just
give
you
an
updated
accounting
of
what
we've
spent
and
what
was
allocated
so
far.
It's
outlined
in
the
memo
to
you
that
we've
already
allocated
a
little
bit
over
2.5
million
dollars
of
the
5.5
that
we
initially
received.
J
The
very
first
allocation
that
council
took
was
a
little
bit
over
a
year
ago,
and
that
was
to
fund
three
unfunded
positions
in
the
fy
22
budget.
At
the
time
we
gave
you
numbers
based
on
if
we
filled
those
positions
immediately,
what
ended
up
occurring
is
we
had
one
position,
particularly
the
the
finance
support,
the
finance
officer
role
that
did
not
get
filled
until
sometime
in
march.
J
J
What
we're
recommending
we
do
with
that
savings
is
number
one
in
the
fy
23
budget
council
allocated
three
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
for
a
new
ambulance,
the
numbers
as
we've
seen
throughout
again.
This
was
you
know.
We
budgeted
this
back
in
october,
seen
significant
cost
increases
and
that
number
came
in
about.
J
J
Also,
when
we
came
forward
with
the
initial
projections
for
the
salary
for
those
three
unfunded
positions
in
the
out
years,
we
were
looking
at
somewhere
around
three
percent
cost
of
voting
increases,
as
we've
seen,
both
with
a
collective
bargaining
agreement.
That
was
unsettled
at
the
time
and
cpi.
Since
then,
that
final
settled
number
was
a
good
deal
higher
than
that,
we're
probably
looking
at
similar
increases
for
next
year.
So
a
recommendation
is
to
use
the
remainder
of
the
salary
lag
savings
in
fy
22
to
be
placed
towards
those
additional
increases
for
those
salaries.
J
A
Thank
you.
I
certainly
appreciated
being
reminded
of
how
we
had
spent
that
money
and
clearly,
when
you
read
through
it,
I
mean
we
really
used
it
exactly
the
way
it
was
designed
to
really
make
sure
that
our
staffing
remained
as
robust
as
as
possible.
So
I
really
appreciate
that.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
tim.
E
E
J
C
Absolutely
right,
it's
a
really
interesting
thing:
that's
happening
with
municipal
fleets.
Right
now
they
have
almost
all
municipal
vehicles
have
between
a
year
and
a
half
and
two-year
waiting
lists
to
receive
them
because
they
weren't
generated
for
a
long
time
and
parts
weren't
generated
and
whatnot.
So
it's
something
to
we
need
to
think
about
as
we're
doing
future
budgets.
If
we're
budgeting
for
a
vehicle
that
we're
not
going
to
receive
into
the
future.
C
G
I
J
J
Those
larger
vehicles,
the
technology,
isn't
quite
there.
Yet
there
are
some
pilot
programs
out
there.
Just
the
cost
is
you
know
two
three
times
what
we'd
see
for
a
typical
vehicle,
but
on
the
police
side
I
know
richmond
is
doing
a
pilot
project
with
a
tesla
chief
burke's
been
very
engaged
with
his
partners
to
sort
of
talk
about
how
they're
working
functioning
operationally
and
as
of
right.
Now
he
does
not
believe
that
technology
is
there,
but
it's,
but
it's
getting
there.
A
L
A
A
You
can
plan
on
it.
Yes,
but
in
the
interim,
if
you
need
a
truck
you
may
have
to
purchase,
you
know
a
gasoline
model
or
diesel
model
or
whatever
they
buy.
That
would
be
relatively
new
and
not
need
to
be
replaced
for
many
years.
It's
just
another
one
of
those
yikes
they're,
not
there
ready
to
just
buy
and
have
delivered
immediately,
which
makes
it
hard.
J
Yeah,
okay,
get
back
to
you
yeah,
but
I
do
know
I
mean
the
chief
has
put
in
his
order
of
chief
burke
has
put
his
order
for
the
hybrid
police
cruisers
that
are
coming
in.
I
know
those
will
go
a
long
way,
particularly
with
you
know.
Idling
is
such
a
a
main
source
of
carbon
emissions
for
our
fleet,
so
that'll
go
a
long
way
on
that.
On
that
front,.
E
Ahead,
it's
at
the.
I
have
it
right
here.
If
you,
unless
you
do
go
ahead,
I
moved
to
approve
the
reallocation
of
fy22
unspent
arpa
funds
as
presented
to
pay
the
overage
on
the
new
ambulance,
purchase
and
beginning
in
fy
23,
the
balance
to
fund
salary
variances
in
the
three
refunded
city
staff
positions.
Now.
A
M
Ultimately,
they
decided
that
the
timeline
was
critical
on
the
planned
unit,
developments
and
the
environmental
protection
standards,
and
so
provided
those
to
you
first
provided
the
general
pud
is
a
cleanup
second,
and
then
this
is
the
third
piece
of
the
puzzle.
What
it
essentially
does
is
it
retains
the
same
functionality
in
the
southeast
quadrant.
There
are
no
policy
changes
taking
place
there.
M
There
were
some
shifts
in
the
round
of
amendments
adopted
at
the
beginning
of
2022
around
how
much
land
is
in
the
natural
resource
protection
district
versus
the
other
ones,
which
shifted
a
little
bit
the
sending
and
receiving
areas.
But
there's
no
policy
changes
in
the
southeast
quadrant
from
this
round.
M
What
this
enables
is
more
receiving
areas,
so
more
market
opportunities
to
use
tdrs
specifically
targeted
to
our
higher
density,
residential
and
mixed
use
areas.
So
largely
the
shelburne
road
corridor,
lower
swiss
street
lower
allen
road
parts
of
kennedy
drive.
The
planning
commission
intentionally
chose
not
to
tackle
the
lower
density
residential
districts.
M
Understanding
that
identifying
how
whether,
in
what
manner
to
explore
any
infill
in
those
areas,
is
a
pretty
substantial
community
conversation
and,
at
the
same
time
identifying
opportunities
along
the
shelburne
corridor
would
not
necessarily
be
at
the
same
kind
of
community
conversation.
So
that's
why
they
just
chose
to
do
this.
First,
what
it
does
is
along
the
shelburne
road
corridor
in
the
c1
and
the
c2
districts,
and
a
little
bit
of
williston
road
near
the
intersection
of
kennedy
drive.
M
It
allows
for
essentially
unlimited
density
from
the
current
cap
of
12
or
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
up
to
with
the
purchase
of
tdrs
an
unlimited
amount.
What
does
cap
it-
and
this
is
important-
is
the
building
bulk
remains
the
same,
the
building,
what
bulk
so
the
height
the
size
so
part
of
the
discussion
that
the
planning
commission
had
was
today
along
shelburne
road.
Let's
say
somebody
could
come
in
and
they'd
say
I'd
like
to
build
a
five-story
office
building,
and
they
could
do
that.
M
At
some
point,
we
reach
the
point
where
there's
more
building
available
and
and
the
artificial
cap
is
on
the
housing
itself.
So
this
removes
that
artificial
cap
and
says
you
still
have
your
five
stories.
You
still
have
your
maximum
lot
coverage,
your
minimum
setbacks,
but
you're
not
artificially
held
back
on
the
number
of
homes
that
you
can
put
in
that
space.
M
So
that's
essentially
what
this
does
in
the
medium
density
areas:
allen
road
district,
swiss
street
district
that
are
both
sort
of
a
transition
into
other
parts
of
the
city.
In
the
long
kennedy
drive
it
caps,
the
density
increase
at
a
50
bonus,
which
is
the
same
as
the
inclusionary
zoning
maximum
that
if
you
chose
to
provide
more
affordable
units,
so
it's
an
either
or
in
this
case,
so
you
could
choose
to
once
you've
met
your
minimum
affordable.
You
could
choose
to
make
more,
affordable
or
to
purchase
tdrs.
M
D
Sorry
paul
at
that
point
that
you
last
made
was
was
really
important
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it
sure
so
you
someone
purchases
tdrs
in
order
to
increase
their
density
in
the
new
receiving
areas.
Yeah
the
15,
inclusionary
or
affordable
housing
requirement,
is
based
on
the
the
new
tdrs
or
excuse
me
the
increased
density
allowed
by
the
tdrs,
or
is
that
15
based
on
before.
M
D
M
M
M
Right
in
in
concept,
they
could
make
use
of
it,
but
it's
it's
drawn
based
on
the
zoning
district,
and
so
we
weren't
the
planning
commission
wasn't
adjusting
zoning
districts.
Okay,
they
could
conceivably
take
advantage
of
it,
but
they
in
the
hillside.
Neighborhood
have
essentially
laid
out
all
their
final
plans.
M
Could
yep,
just
as
it
does
just
as
any
other
neighborhood
that
is
built
or
mostly
built
like
farrell
street,
or
something
like
that?
There
are
portions,
the
the
neighborhood
along
farrell
street,
made
use
of
some
office
space,
for
instance,
as
part
of
their
total
area.
They
could
convert
some
of
that
office
space
to
housing
now
because
they
had
maxed,
they
had
maximized
all
of
their
affordability,
all
of
their
dwelling
units
before
counting
the
office
space,
so
they
could
now,
in
theory,
convert
some
of
their
office
space,
for
example,.
I
M
M
I
M
Planning
commission
did
discuss
a
couple
of
different
ways
in
which
they
could
adjust
the
market,
so,
for
example,
they,
the
big
one
that
they
discussed
was
could
one
in
certain
zoning
districts,
let's
say
along
shelburne
road.
Have
one
tdr
count
for
two
or
maybe
even
three
dwelling
units.
So
you
buy
one
tdr.
M
They
ultimately
decided
that
there's
a
fair
amount
of
unknowns
about
what
impacts
this
will
have
in
the
market.
It's
hard
to
know
until
people
start
using
it
and
they
felt
that
they
could
always
adjust
it
upwards
if
they
felt
that
there
was
an
advantage
to
the
city
to
making
a
transfer
development
right
worth
two
homes
in
a
certain
part
of
the
city,
but
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
turn
it
backwards
if
they
had
essentially
overheated
it.
So
they
decided
to
just
have
it
be
one
to
start
with
see
how
it
goes.
Okay,.
M
K
M
M
A
M
E
So
then,
thinking
about
how
this
would
work
if
somebody
wanted
to
build
a
housing,
let's
say
in
the
reddish
zone
on
shelburne
road,
they
had
a
certain
number.
They
had
some
land,
a
certain
number
of
acres,
which
means
they
could
only
build
a
certain
number
of
units
depending
upon
what
the
average
size
of
that
unit
might
be.
E
They
might
have
a
footprint
for
their
building
that
might
not
reach
the
setback,
rules
or
reach
the
height
limits
either
right,
it
might
be
smaller,
based
upon
whatever
they
wanted
to
build,
but
by
buying
tdrs
with
no
limit
in
that
no
maximum
density
right,
they
could
build
out
to
a
full.
You
know
all
the
setbacks
to
the
maximum
height
and
they
could
conceivably
have
really
tiny
apartments
right
if
they,
if
they
thought
they
could
sell
them
right
or
or
rent
them.
Correct.
M
N
M
But
it
doesn't
say
that
you
couldn't
do
all
one
bedrooms.
For
example,
the
planning
commission
did
discuss
that
and
and
talked
about
the
possibility
of.
Is
it
time
in
the
city
to
require
for
developments
over
a
certain
scale
to
say
there
must
be
a
minimum
of
x
percent
two
bedrooms
or
three
bedrooms,
or
something
like
that,
regardless
of
tdrs,
regardless
of
inclusionary.
M
They
were
intrigued
by
it,
but
felt
that
that
was
taking
a
little
bit
of
a
tangent
from
the
purpose
of
the
tdr,
but
they
recognized
that
that
could
have.
There
could
be
that
effect
on
the
market.
Additionally,
looking
at
a
property
like
the
bartlett
brook
apartments,
for
example,
that
was
a
pretty
large
parcel
in
which
that
was
built
and
there's
now
the
cecom
bank
in
front
of
it,
the
with
the
building
of
that
residential
building.
M
E
M
D
M
Nrp
physical
area
itself
grew
a
little
bit
last
winter,
a
little
bit
in
the
highland
terrace
area
a
little
bit
around
the
great
swamp
as
a
physical
area
right.
The
number
of
tdrs
available
has
shrunk
a
little
bit,
though,
because
hazards,
which
are
wetlands,
flood
plains,
et
cetera,
are
removed
from
the
calculation.
Now.
D
D
M
I
I
M
It's
always
point:
eight,
three
acres
of
conservation,
so
one
the
1.2
dwelling
units
an
acre
of
the
southeast
quadrant
inverted.
So
that's
how
much
land
is
conserved
for
one
dwelling
unit,
whether
that
dwelling
unit
is
a
single-family
home
or
a
unit
in
an
apartment,
building.
Okay,
it's
one,
regardless
a
year
and
a
half
ago
that
the
council
did
approve
one
other
use
of
tdrs,
which
is
to
increase
lot
coverage
a
little
bit.
L
M
A
M
Right
I
mean
there's
two
two
fundamental
purposes
of
a
good
tdr
program.
One
is
to
conserve
that
which
you're
seeking
to
conserve,
which
in
south
burlington
is
open
land
and
the
other
is
to
identify
areas
where
you
might
want
to
where
you'd,
where
you
would
want
to
see,
and
you
would
see
a
benefit
from
increase,
an
increased
density.
M
D
So,
from
past
experience
on
the
right
side
here
on
the
drb,
we
certainly
had
the
tr
tdrs
challenge
the
legality
of
trd
tdr
challenge
from
those
that
didn't
want
increased
density.
The
supreme
court
upheld
our
regulation.
The
tdrs
are
in
fact
legal
despite
those
motions
which
is
a
good
on
the
other
side.
Has
anyone
purchased
a
property
that
that
the
prior
owner
sold
the
tdr
and
then
tried
to
develop
it
and
challenge
the
legality
of
tdrs.
M
D
Would
like
I'm
just
curious
if
we've
had
that
experience
here,
because,
certainly
having
been
through
on
the
development
review
board,
the
concerns
from
our
neighbors
that
didn't
think
tdrs
was
an
actual
policy
that
was
could
be
upheld
in
court.
Just
want
to
affirm
that
it
has
been
appalled
in
court.
It
has.
E
Yes,
one
last
thing,
so
I
you
know
I
I
rode
my
e-bike
down
to
the
you
know
the
new
england
federal
credit
union
on
shelburne
road
and
the
only
bike
rack
is
in
the
front
of
the
building
on
shelburne
road
and
nobody
wants
to
park
their
bike
right
on
shelburne
road.
They
want
to
park
it
behind
where
the
sliding
glass
doors
are
because
it's
a
little
safer
there.
You
know
burlington,
suburban
we've
got
some
bike
theft.
E
A
E
A
A
So
we
are
now
down
to
item
nine
receiving
recommendations.
This
is
so
exciting
from
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
housing
trust
fund
committee
to
allocate
arpa
funds
to
incentivize
the
development
of
affordable
housing
and
to
provide
direction
to
staff
on
the
next
steps.
So
chris
trombley
chair
is
going
to
present
that.
C
So
just
as
chris
unmutes,
I
also
do
want
to
call
it.
We
have
a
number
of
representatives
from
both
the
housing,
affordable
housing
committee
and
housing
trust
fund
here,
as
well
as,
I
think,
develop
all
of
the
developer
representatives
from
almost
all
of
the
applicants.
If
you
want
to
hear
from
the
applicant
system,
oh.
O
O
So
back
in
april,
we
we
first
came
to
you
with
a
statement
of
values
for
the
rfp
and
after
your
generous
approval,
we
were
excited
to
find
that,
after
the
rfp
closed,
we
received
six
applications
and
the
the
committee
was
loud
by
this
response
and
also
you
know,
created
the
the
tough
discussion
of
how
do
you.
How
do
you
evaluate
some
strong
proposals?
O
And
so
today,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
our
recommendation
in
total,
you
know
the
six
proposals
exceeded
three
million
dollars
in
request,
and
you
know
if
we
were
asked
to
come
in
around
one
million.
Some
decisions
had
to
be
made,
but
we
were
excited
really
by
the
number
of
the
quality
of
the
responses.
So
really,
after
exhaustive
community
discussion,
we
had
a
full
half
or
excuse
me.
We
had
a
half
day
meeting
joint
with
a
housing
trust
fund
to
review
the
applications.
O
How
do
you
make
this
tough
decision
of
where?
Where
do
you
allocate
and
what's
the
what's
the
best
outcome
for
south
burlington?
At
our
follow-up
meeting,
we
you
nanosly,
approved
with
one
abstention,
the
committee
proposal
you
have
in
your
agenda
today
that
proposal
was
ratified
unanimously
by
the
housing
trust
fund.
O
So
what
you're
seeing
here
today
is
a
shows,
I
think,
our
our
dedication
commitment
to
these
proposals.
The
first
one
is
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
cathedral
square.
This
is
the
gazebo
property
on
wilson,
road
within
the
transit
overlay
district,
and
we
were
excited
to
learn
about
some
of
the
residential
rental
housing
for
loan
long-term
care
staff.
O
For
those
who
are
more
involved
in
that
area.
Housing
is
a
challenge
for
staff
and
they're
experiencing
historic
staffing
challenges,
so
that'll
that'll
certainly
meet
a
need
in
that
community,
while
it's
also
redevelopment
of
an
existing
property.
The
next
is
for
300
000,
champlain
housing.
Trust
to
renovate
and
convert
the
ho-hum
motel
on
wilson
road
again
within
the
transit
overlay
district,
it's
a
redevelopment
and
it
serves
the
largely
homeless
or
transitional
housing
for
folks,
and
this
money
will
help
with
upgrades
to
that
particular
building
and
the
next
proposal.
O
Five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
champlain
housing,
trust
in
rebound
habitat
to
develop
the
dorset
commons
plot.
That
currently
is
near
577
dorsal
street
and
there
is
a
plot
land
owned
by
the
you
know
that
was
owned
by
the
city
that
became
identified
as
a
potential
to
build,
affordable
housing
there,
and
so
we
were
excited
to
see
that
that
would
have
some
ownership
as
well,
and
so
we,
the
three
proposals
here,
serve
within
or
below
the
area,
median
income
levels
that
we
were
hoping
for.
O
So
we
set
a
ceiling
at
80,
with
the
hope
that
we
would
be
able
to
really
build
housing
for
lower
income
levels
as
well.
So
with
these
three
proposals,
that's
34
units
of
residential
care,
28
market
and
eight
inclusionary
rentals,
just
at
the
gazebo
16
three-bedroom
home
ownership
opportunities
at
dorson
commons
and
20
one-bedroom
newly
renovated
apartments
for
the
former.
O
We
also
were
impressed
with
the
application
from
summit
and
they
had
come
in
and
and
made
a
request
and
we
supported
an
additional
300
000
on
top
of
the
additional
three.
So
we're
asking
you
know
first
consideration
for
the
first
three
and
also
recommendation
to
consider
the
300
000
also
for
the
summit
property.
As
you
know,
it's
a
a
project
that
has
both
coats.
O
Excuse
me:
cots
rentals
below
area,
median
income
and
market
rate
housing-
and
you
know
this
is
certainly
was
designated
as
a
worthy
project,
but
we
were
hesitant
to
over
commit
our
our
allocation.
There
were
two
other
applications
that
were
received.
We
were
you
know,
I
think
you
know
your
first
reaction
is.
We
want
to
prove
everything
and
you
know
at
3
million.
You
know,
that's
not
what
we
were
tasked
with.
O
So
you
know
there
was
a
prioritization
that
we
made
a
dedication
to
shovel-ready
projects
that
would
help
a
broad
spectrum
of
of
residents
in
the
area
and
we're
excited
to
continue
to
work
with
the
other
applicants
about
future
opportunities
and
engagement
about
you
know.
What
can
we
do
to
make
their
proposals
a
reality
here
in
south
berlin?
O
A
A
O
A
A
Typically,
they
sell
the
properties,
they
use
a
little
a
lot
of
sweat,
equity
and
some
of
their
own
workers
to
build
these
structures,
and
then
they
sell
them
and
the
money
kind
of
becomes
what
a
revolving
fund
of
some
sort
and
you
can.
They
can
go
out
and
buy
the
next
piece
of
property
and
build
them,
and
is
that
how
this
works
or
is
the
sale
of
these?
O
P
Hi
thanks,
I'm
amy
demetrowicz
with
the
champlain
housing,
trust
and
dave
mullins
is
here
as
well,
who
is
with
green
mountain
habitat
for
humanity.
He
can
speak
to
this
issue
as
well.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
considering
our
applications.
This
project
in
particular,
is
to
really
it's
to
pay
for
the
develop
the
infrastructure
that's
needed
to
then
allow
for
the
construction
by
habitat
for
humanity
of
these
homes
we
the
cost
of
the
homes,
even
with
the
volunteer
labor
and
with
some
donated
materials.
H
H
E
A
E
A
N
E
D
A
A
We'd
carve
that
out
and
we'd
done
a
fair
amount
of,
as
I
recall,
a
fair
amount
of
sight
work
for
you
know
storm
water
and
stuff,
but
I
guess
even
more
is
needed,
but
we
had
already
invested.
I
don't
know
how
much
it
was
a
lot
of
money.
Wasn't
it
like
a
million
bucks
or
something
to
bring
it
up
to
speed.
E
I
have
another
comment
sure
to
make
and
I'm
not
making
a
judgment,
I'm
just
pointing
out
the
fact
that
right
now,
15
10
and
15
30
gazebo
apartments
are
assessed
at
around.
You
know
around
two
and
a
half
million
dollars,
roughly
around
a
little
less
than
five
million
dollars
total
for
the
two
buildings.
G
C
E
P
P
P
A
P
A
Q
Okay,
sandy
dooley,
affordable
housing,
community
vice
chair,
the
money
would
pay.
There
is
still
stormwater
concerns
that
have
to
be
addressed
so
that
hasn't
been
plus
streets
or
driveways
or
whatever,
and
sewer
and
water.
So,
as
I
understand
it,
maybe
david
and
amy.
This
money
is
not
for
the
cost
of
construction.
Yes,.
A
R
R
Had
1.6
million
dollars
worth
of
of
worthy
projects,
and
you
know
with
the
one
million
dollar
early
initially
allocated,
and
we
appreciate
the
consideration,
but
just
wanted
an
opportunity
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
our
project
and
and
hope
for
allocation
of
our
request
as
well
to
be
heard
by
the
city
council.
You
know
it
sounds
like
there
were.
You
know
these
four
projects
that
really
fit
the
rfe
criteria
that
the
the
affordable
housing
committee
was
excited
about.
R
R
That's
a
really
low.
Our
500
000
ask
was
a
really
low
per
door
request
to
really
get
us
to
the
finish
line.
This
has
been
a
two
year
process,
putting
this
puzzle
together.
A
lot
of
these
awards,
vhcb
vhfa
started
about
six
months
ago.
I
don't
think
anybody
needs
to
be
reminded
about
the
construction
cost
environment,
the
interest
rate
environment.
We
find
ourselves
now
in
at
the
end
of
this,
at
the
end
of
this
process,
of
putting
together
the
financing-
and
it
was
really
this.
R
This
is
the
last
piece
of
financing
we're
hoping
for
to
be
able
to
get
this
project
to
go.
This
fall
as
soon
as
we
can,
and
so,
as
you
have
the
conversations
about
how
we're
leveraging
resources,
how
your
town,
arpa
money,
is
leveraging
resources.
We
really
do
hope
you
consider
including
ours
in
that
in
that
mix,
and
I
would
you
know,
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
about
this
project.
Specifically.
R
Yep
we're
we're
pulling
construction
permits
and
and
working
to
a
closing,
hopefully
in
the
next
four
to
six
weeks.
You
know
things
happen.
I
don't
want
to
sit
here
and
promise
and
say
we
will,
but,
but
that
is
the
plan-
and
this
is
the
last
the
last
piece
of
that
funding
puzzle
at
20
and
eight
and
a
half
million
dollars
already
committed
for
a
29
million
dollar
project.
G
A
S
Hi
all
yeah,
thank
you
and
I
that's
yeah
zeke
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
We
are
finalizing
those
construction
bids
and
pushing
hard
towards
closing,
and
it
is
you
know.
When
we
came
back
in
front
of
you
in
april
with
our
initial
budgets,
you
know
sen.
We
had
applications
in
at
that
point
to
all
those
you
know
all
those
resources
zeke
mentioned:
vermont
housing,
finance
agency,
vermont
conservation,
board,
community
development
block
grant.
We
won
all
of
those
awards.
S
We
got
every
allocation
and
it's
the
cost
increases
since
then
that
that
leaves
us
with
this
gap
in
the
project-
and
you
know
zeke
mentioned
the
energy
efficiency.
We've
gone
ahead
with
an
all-electric
heating
and
cooling
building.
You
know
that
efficiency
vermont
high
performance
tier
is
demanding
and
we've
we've
met
it
on
our
last
two
buildings
and
we'll
be
meeting
it
here.
I
think
our
last
two
buildings
this
was
based
off
of
had
air
flow
leakage
based
on
the
lower
door
test
of
less
than
.07.
S
But
that
commitment
continues
so
in
terms
of
checking
every
box
that
you
know
of
an
ultra
high
impact
project
that
this
sort
of
gap
financing
helps
get
to
the
finish
line.
It
would
be
you
know
we
we
were
very
careful
not
to
over
request
early
on
when
it
came.
Our
application
came
in
at
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
two
hundred
ninety
thousand
dollars
per
unit
to
develop
when
we
originally
came
to
you
that
has
gone
up
to
310
000
per
unit
to
develop.
S
That
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
when
you
compare
it
to
the
rest
of
the
state,
the
average
project
new
construction
this
year,
all
other
affordable
housing
projects
was
380
000
per
unit.
So
we
are
all
still
very,
very
efficient
and
we
were
able
to
achieve
that
efficiency
by
building
this
dense
high
impact
project,
94
units,
the
o'brien
brothers,
stepped
to
the
plate
and
are
providing
they
pay.
S
So
we
really
just
appreciate
your
consider,
give
us
consideration,
and
you
know.
Obviously
we
didn't
have
the
chance
to
talk
to
the
affordable
housing
committee
ahead
of
time
as
part
of
this
this
process.
So
I
totally
understand
where
the
initial
recommendations
come
from,
but
I
do
think
there's
a
lot
of
context
that
we
can
provide
tonight
about
this
project.
That
was
not
available
as
part
of
that
initial
application.
D
G
O
D
O
The
the
original
summit
asked
was
for
500.
the
committee
after
discussion
and
consideration
of
other
contributions
with
the
housing
trust
fund
and
cdbg
funds.
The
the
committee
came
back
with
a
recommendation
of
300
000..
Okay,
we're
not
we're
not
we're
not
nullifying
summit's
request
that
you
know
they.
They
need
the
500
000,
but
it
was
the
consensus
of
both
both
committees
that
the
300
000
was
was
our
recommendation.
E
C
Chris,
I'm
going
to
mute
you
for
a
quick
second,
because
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
echo
but
unmute
some
in
summits
proposal.
They
requested
half
a
million
five
hundred
thousand
when
the
two
committees
discussed
they
recommended
moving
forward.
Three
hundred
thousand
summit
has
also
made
a
request
to
the
housing
trust
fund,
of
which
there
is
150
000
balance
through
this
fiscal
year.
So
there's
a
and
the
housing
trust
fund
has
met,
and
members
are
on
here
today
to
think
about.
C
We
actually
have
two
requests
to
the
housing,
trust
fund
summit
and
another
developer
who's-
also
not
here
tonight.
So
it's
not
necessarily
a
public
application
at
this
point,
so
I
think
the
question
for
council,
if,
if
you
want
to
support
at
some
level,
is,
do
you
take
the
recommendation
of
the
committee
and
leave
that
other
application
with
the
housing
trust
fund?
Or
do
you
leverage
these
one-time
dollars
to
summit?
If
you
want
to
fund
at
a
higher
level
and
leave
the
housing
trust
fund
for
other
projects
that
may
come
in
later
this
year,.
E
C
E
G
A
Yes,
I
understand
that
so
I
have
you
know
later
on
our
agenda.
We
have
a
discussion
around
dog
parks
and
I'm
just
curious
of
the
three
proposals
and
now
potentially
the
four
do
you
do
anything
about
responding
to
your
residents
who
have
dogs
and
provide
any
kind
of
area
for
them,
not
a
dog
park
per
se.
That's
open
to
the
public,
but
just
you
know
around
the
building.
What
what
amenity
and
some
amenity
a
dog
amenity
is
that
part
of
affordable
housing,
lexicon.
R
P
Sure
so,
at
our
dorset
commons
project
that'll
be
ownership
and
so
and
they're
duplex
units,
so
people
will
have
their
own
yards
and
they
can
certainly
fence
off
those
yards
and
have
their
dogs
available.
You
know
to
run
free
in
those
yards.
There
is
a
lot
of
space
open
space
at
our
dorsa
commons
apartments
and
so
there's
plenty
of
room
to
walk
your
dog
there's
no
place
for
off
leash
dogs
running
on,
I
have
to
say
on
any
of
our
properties
and
then
the
ho-hum
conversion.
L
T
Sorry,
sorry,
I'm
late,
my
apologies
and
if
this
was
already
covered,
but
I'm
a
little
slow
on
the
uptake
as
well.
So
I
see
the
three
projects
you're
recommending
a
totaling
1.1
million.
The
300
000
for
the
summit
property
is
on
top
of
that
for
a
total
allocation
recommendation
of
1.4
million
from
arpa.
Is
that
correct,
yeah?
That's
correct!
Thank
you
very
much.
E
A
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
that's
what
they
would
like:
that's
what
they
need
is
500
000
and
if
we
want
to
offer
it,
they
wouldn't
say
no,
so
we
could
use
some
other
arpa
money
potentially
and
that
so
that's
the
conversation
or
the
policy
decision
for
us
and
then
we'd
have
to
use
some
additional
arpa
money
for
the
100
000.
That's
the
recommendation
of
the
affordable
housing
and
trust
fund.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
do
believe
that
housing
is
a
major
need
and-
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
compelling
request,
so
how
to
provide
direction
to
our
staff.
Is
we're
going
to
have
further
discussion
on
the
community
survey
and
so
taking
those
priorities
as
well
as
this
as
as
a
major
priority.
I
I
would
just
like
to
see
the
numbers
and
and
creative
you
know
creative
thinking
on
how
we
can
meet
the
needs
when
we
can
meet
the
needs
to
to.
I
You
know
just
make
this
the
you
know
the
most
optimal
use
of
these
funds.
Right
I
mean
it's
you've
served
as
well
so
far,
so
I
I
I
have
confidence
that
we
will
get
there,
but
it's
hard
for
me
to
say
without
a
list
in
front
of
me
to
really
kind
of
parse
through,
but
I
see
this
as
a
really
important
investment
that
we
could
make.
U
Oh,
my
name
is
ariel
jensen,
vargas
and
right
now,
I'm
speaking,
although
I'm
also
on
the
housing
trust
committee,
I'm
speaking
as
a
member
of
the
affordable
housing
committee.
So,
as
you
may
have
noticed,
there
was
one
abstention
vote
for
the
for
what
we
voted
on.
We
voted
on
all
three
projects
and
we
were
all
very
excited
about
all
three
projects,
but
what
happened
was
after
the
meeting.
U
I
had
second
thoughts
about
the
cht
green,
green
mountain
habitat
for
the
humanity
project
and
the
more
that
I
thought
about
it,
the
more
I
felt
that
we
should
not
be
building
residential
housing
behind
a
firehouse
right
off
the
highway.
In
my
opinion,
noise
pollution
is
becoming
an
increasing
problem
in
south
burlington.
I've
spent
basically
the
entire
year
shopping
for
a
condo
or
home
and
any
any
residence
that
is
not
right
off
kennedy
or
right.
Underneath
the
wings
of
the
fighter,
planes
or
rape
by
I-95
is
slim
pickings
and
those
are
usually
mansions.
U
And
to
me
this
is
a
distinction
between
building
new
housing,
where
we
we
know
that
there
will
be
noise
pollution,
so
I
did
abstain
from
the
vote
after
all,
but
I
would
do
nothing
to
prevent
the
project
for
going
through,
but
I
think
that
is
something
that
the
committee
might
weigh
in
your
deliberations.
Thank.
A
You
were
you
aware
that
the
kirby
houses
that
are
near
the
airport
that
were
built-
and
we
had
to
give
up
our-
I
don't
know-
support
for
them
to
the
faa
and,
as
it
turned
out,
the
airport
was
able
to
save
them,
and
now
beta
owns
them,
but
they
were,
we
were
told,
were
extremely
well
insulated
and
the
noise
they
they
could
deal
with.
The
jet
noise
inside
the
house,
obviously
not
outside.
U
U
U
We
can't
just
restart
from
the
beginning-
and
I
said
you
know
you're
right,
but
I
just
don't
feel
right
about
supporting
that
unless
I
mean
unless
we're
talking
about
some
kind
of
sound
mitigation,
which
is
then,
of
course,
adding
to
the
cost
sure,
the
secondary
reason
was
that
I
was
in
attendance
to
a
city
council
meeting
where
there
was
an
accident
for
a
young
person
crossing
dorset
from
the
south
burlington
high
school.
There
was
a
discussion
about
how
that
section
had
is
tree-lined
and
very
dark
at
night.
U
So
then,
now
we're
talking
about
more
children.
You
know
possibly
other
people
related
to
the
school
living
in
that
complex,
more
crossing,
which
I
think
ultimately
would
add
a
cost
for
the
city
to
make
sure
that
that
walkway
is
safe.
So
I
think
that
there's
some
hidden
costs
associated
with
that
project.
E
G
E
And
spear
are
not
high
speed,
they
can
become
high
speed.
So
there's
a
lot
of
crisscrossing
of
rather
high
speed
traffic
and
shelving
road
as
well,
and
so,
like,
I
think,
almost
every
neighborhood
has
some
impact
by
some
sort
of
noise,
some
more
than
others.
I
agree
with
that,
but
when
I
lived
on
meadow
road
right,
if
it
was
warm
out,
I
had
my
windows
open
and
there
was
a
south
wind.
E
I
could
hear
all
the
trucks
coming
down
189
to
shelburne
road
with
their
murphy
brakes
on
you
know
and
that
that
was
a
lot
of
noise
and
it
was
bothersome
and
then
other
areas
you
might
not
have
traffic,
but
then
you
do
have
airport
noise.
So
I
guess
my
point
is:
is
that
there
probably
are
very
few
air
areas
in
the
city
that
are
totally
absent
of
any
noise,
even
where
I
live
now
I
get
the
5
55,
the
6
o'clock,
the
605,
the
610
flights.
E
They
come
up
and
they
come
right
over
the
shelburne
south
right
in
line
and
it's
you
know,
the
ge
engines
are
just
winding
away.
It's
like!
Oh,
it's
time
to
get
up.
It's
6am
right,
but
you
also
hear
people
with
you
know
those
awful
mufflers
or,
or
you
know,
leaf
blowers
modified
motorcycles
on
116
when
the
when
the
conditions
are
just
right.
It
just
rolls
right
over.
You
know
the
the
edgewood,
you
know
development
and
over
butler
farms
and
comes
right
across
into
the
dorset
street
area.
It's
just
amazing!
F
Okay
well
great.
Well,
I'm
a
member
of
the
housing
trust
committee
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
everyone.
We
worked
very
collaboratively
and
I'm
new
to
committees.
This
is
my
first
committee
in
the
city
and
I
really
enjoyed
the
experience
and
I
really
appreciated
hearing
everyone's
ideas
and
as
someone
who
often
almost
daily
connects
with
people
who
are
in
dire
need
of
housing
in
our
city
and
want
to
stay
here.
F
G
V
Thank
you,
I'm
I'm
carol
mcquillen
with
common
roots
tonight,
but
also
as
a
teacher
in
our
schools
and
just
having
spent
time
at
our
three
elementary
schools.
I'm
aware
that
I'm
a
proponent
of
affordable
housing,
I
was
on
the
former
the
founding
board
of
green
mountain
habitat
in
the
early
80s
and
spent
eight
years
on
that
board.
V
C
H
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
address
the
sound
issue
and
our
houses
are
extremely
well
insulated
and
the
fourplex,
for
instance,
that
we
built
over
on
highsburg
road
that
was
about
15
feet
away
from
the
edge
of
the
road,
and
when
you
were
inside
that
house
in
the
front
bedroom,
you
could
barely
hear
the
cars
and
trucks
that
were
going
by.
So
today's
housing
is
entirely
different
than
it
was
five
years
ago,
and
certainly
10
and
15
years
ago.
H
H
Q
Q
My
second
thing
is
just
to
address
the
issue
of
spending
more
than
a
million,
and
when
I
look
at
the
survey
income
disparities,
it
comes
out
as
very
important.
It's
right
up
there
with
child
care
and
also
in
terms
of
the
results
of
covid
housing.
Vulnerability
was
stated,
so
I
do
think
that
providing
more
affordable
housing
is
a
way
of
addressing
income
disparities
and
the
housing
vulnerability
that
people
felt
because
they
lost
jobs
and
all
kinds
of
other
things
during
the
pandemic.
Q
D
Just
lift
up
the
comment
that
carol
made
for
the
ask
question
of
staff
is:
it
is
assumed
that
these
impact
fees,
which
we
previously
discussed
up
for
discussion
later
on
this
year,
would
include
those
big,
a
affordable
housing.
What
we
used
to
call
big,
affordable,
housing
permanently,
affordable
housing
would
also
pay
the
impact
fees
much
like
market
rate
housing.
M
E
So
in
creating
a
more
affordable
housing
right
does
that
actually
have
an
impact
on
the
demand
that
was
that
we're
going
to
see
later
in
the
results
of
the
survey
for
demands
for
child
care
and
is,
is
there
a
is
there
a
dependence
there?
So
if
you
had
more,
if
you
had
affordable
housing,
would
there
be
less
of
a
demand
for
more
child
care
where
there's
no
child
care
at
all?
Perhaps.
A
Then
we'll
see
if
there's
additional
500,
000
or
300
000
for
additional
housing
from
the
rest
of
the
arpa
funds,
and
then
we
can
do
the
second
part.
I
mean
we've
already
committed
a
million
bucks,
so
we're
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
short
with
the
recommendation
by
the
affordable
housing
committee.
But.
E
C
I
mean
that
that's
a
different
kind
of
direction.
I
mean
in
theory,
I
guess
you
could
say
to
us.
We
only
want
to
spend
a
million
dollars,
go
back
to
these
three
or
four
applicants
and
see
what
you
can
negotiate
for
a
million
dollars.
That's
not
how
we
have
framed
it
to
them
to
date,
but
you
could
give
us
that
direction.
I
suppose.
C
Is
that
right?
No,
so
we
have
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
balance
in
our
current
trust
fund
through
this
fiscal
year.
So
the
fifty
thousand
you
allocate
this
year
rolls
over
is
added
to
the
hundred
thousand
we've
previously
rolled
over,
and
we
have
two
applicants,
two
developers
who
have
applied
for
those
funds
in
addition
to
these
applicants,
but.
A
A
A
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
the
trust
fund
to
go
forward
directions
to
you
is
to
work
with
these
three
and
then,
as
we
get
a
better
sense
of
where
the
other
demands
for
the
rest
of
the
arpa
money.
Are
we
conceivably
could
come
up
with
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
summit
proposal?.
C
I
think
we're
we're
a
little
bit
comparing
two
different
timelines,
so
the
timeline
on
the
arpa
money
is,
you
need
to
allocate
it
by
december
2024
and
then
spend
it
by
december
26th.
So
you
have
a
pretty
big
runway
for
that.
Okay
and
I'm
going
to
go
out
on
a
limb
developer,
so
so
people
jump
in
when
I
say
something
wrong.
C
The
proposals
that
the
committees
have
recommended,
the
three
that
are
fully
funded
are
in
development,
so
they
are
projects
that
are
real,
but
they
are
not
necessarily
projects
that
are
permitted
or
projects
that
are
shovel
ready.
The
summit
project
is
fully
permitted
about
to
close,
so
there's
there's
a
timeline
for
the
arpa
money.
There's
a
timeline
for
the
three,
the
three
recommended
projects
and
then
there's
a
much
faster
timeline
for
summit,
which
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
challenge
for
you.
Amy.
P
R
I
O
Thanks
thanks
megan,
so
the
conversation
started
at
five
and
you
know
the
conversation
was
well.
They
asked
for
five.
Why
wouldn't
we
give
them
five?
We,
the
application,
did
pencil
in
and
that's
an
assumption
that
the
housing
trust
would
be
awarded
150
and
the
receipt
of
the
cdbg
funds,
and
there
was
also
discussion
of.
O
Would
there
be
supplemental
funds
to
make
up
any
gap
from
a
from
a
third
party
such
as
the
the
landowner
that
to
help
close
any
funding
gap?
So
you
know
here
we
are
as
a
as
a
group
trying
to
extend
a
little
bit
of
money
as
far
as
we
can.
So
what
can
we?
What
can
we
recommend
to
make
them
all
happen?
Give
them
the
gap,
financing
that
they
need
to
move
forward
to.
You
know,
make
177,
affordable
housing
a
reality
for
almost
300
people
without
delaying
or
killing
the
project.
T
So
I'm
very
attracted
to
the
two
shovel
ready
products
projects.
The
the
500
000
to
summit
is
attractive
to
me
because
that's
71,
affordable
units
and
what
I'm
seeing
is
going
to
be
a
beautiful
neighborhood
with
a
dog
park.
Thank
you,
that's
just
great
and
then
the
ho-hum
property.
So
as
looking
to
get
a
feel
from
the
council,
I
would
be
ready
to
approve
both
of
those
tonight.
T
I
will
say
I
too
was
persuaded
with
tim's
counter
arguments
on
the
sound
issues
related
to
putting
houses
right
by
the
interstate,
but
I
just
know
development
well
enough
to
to
know
that
if
that's
a
lot
more
up
in
the
air,
I'm
fine
with
considering
that
at
a
later
date
in
order
to
move
things
along,
and
I
think
this
council
would
feel
better
about
putting
money
towards
shovel
ready
projects
to
get
the
affordable
houses
starting
to
be
built
as
soon
as
possible
because
of
the
demand
for
housing
in
this
area.
So
that's
where
I
am.
A
Well
I'll
just
put
an
ore
in,
for
I
appreciate
the
shovel
ready
and
when
I
think,
about
affordable
housing,
I
am
so
enamored,
I
guess,
of
home
ownership
to
me.
That
is
when
you
talk
about
perpetual
home
ownership
that
just
resonates
with
me
more
strongly
than
rentals,
because
I
think
the
rental
market
can
change
and-
and
we
don't
build
enough
homes
that
people
can
own-
I
mean
they,
people
own
a
home,
have
deep
roots
in
the
community.
A
They're
part
of
this.
It's
not
a
transitional
connection.
It
becomes
their
community,
their
school
system,
their
you
know,
softball
teams
or
whatever,
and
that
I
don't
know
that
just
resonates
more
strongly
with
me
than
anything
else.
I
think
all
of
the
projects
meet
very
important
needs.
I
you
know
it's
hard
to.
I
I
just
want
us
to
re-hear
what
chris
trombley
said
about
having
any
funds
that
go
to
summit,
be
used
as
leverage
with
the
owner
of
the
property
and
to
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
have
that
third
party
enter
in
and
and
help
reach
the
gap
playing
with
numbers.
Again,
I
will
look
at
the
300
000
that
they
were
prepared
to
give
to
summit
the
300
000
for
the
ho-hum
motel
and
then
the
500
to
the
champlain
housing
trust.
I
I
B
A
I
E
I
U
Yeah,
so
as
a
member
of
the
housing
trust
committee,
I
am
definitely
I
find
this
summit
request
very
compelling,
but
I
don't
feel
comfortable
moving
forward
without
all
the
members
of
the
housing
trust
committee
to
talk
about
where
that
those
funds
would
go,
and
we
had
not
agreed
to
give
that
summit.
Those
funds-
that's.
I
C
A
Okay,
okay,
but
we
still
would
have
the
opportunity
to
reimburse
that
you
know
or
use
the
funds
other
arpa
funds
that
shortfall,
but
we
don't
have
to
necessarily
commit
that.
I
mean
I,
I
know
it
undermines.
I
guess
the
two
organizations
that
had
hoped
to
get
fifty
thousand
dollars-
or
maybe
they
want
a
hundred
thousand.
I
don't
know
actually
there's
a
hundred
and
fifty
in
there.
A
N
Yeah
vince
baldwick,
member
of
the
affordable
planning,
the
affordable
housing
committee.
Just
just
very
briefly,
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
perfectly
clear
that
we
did
not
see
anything
wrong
with
the
summit
proposal.
There
was
nothing
that
we
could
degrade
about
it
or
you
know,
complain
about
it.
It
was
very
good.
It
was
just
a
matter
of
how
much
money
do
we
have
we
heard
the
million
dollars
from
the
council.
We
said
why
didn't
they
make
it
1.3
or
1.5?
You
know,
there's
more
money
out
there.
N
N
Q
I
wish
cindy
reed
were
here
to
talk
about
cathedral
square
because,
while
it
may
not
have
permits
those
buildings
are
all
built,
so
we're
not
talking
about
construction,
but
she
used
to
be
on
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
one
of
the
things
she
said
to
us.
That
stuck
with
me
is
there
is
virtually
no
assisted
care
living
facilities
that
are
affordable
and
there's.
Also
there
may
be
pressure.
Q
Q
I
wish
that
were
in
here,
then,
the
ones
that
are
rental
for
people
that
work
in
that
field,
they're
going
to
be
28
margin
rate
and
aid
inclusion.
So
I
I
just
want
to
say
I
don't
know
if
there's
pressure
on
that,
I
can't
imagine
there
isn't.
I
don't
think
mr
larkin
is
going
to
wait
forever,
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
that
would
take
34
market
rate
assisted
living
to
34,
affordable.
A
Well,
there
there's
the
dilemma:
you,
the
committee,
dealt
with
those
concerns
and
came
to
a
decision,
and
the
council
has
a
proposal.
That's
slightly
different.
I
mean
I
guess
I
would
like
to
say
that
you
know
there's
still
a
couple
million
left
in
the
arpa
right
that
and
this
is
a
real
need.
So
it's
potentially,
I
think,
there's
a
good
chance
of
funding
all
of
them.
I
think
tonight.
What
we're
trying
to
say
is:
we've
dedicated
a
million
bucks.
We
have
a
hundred
thousand
in
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
A
A
I
mean,
I
think,
from
the
trust
fund,
but
I'm
suggesting
we
add
a
hundred
thousand
from
the
trust
fund.
I
know
they
haven't
gone
through
their
process,
but
we
could
supplement
that
with
or
or
we
could
figure
it
out
later.
We
could
find
that
hundred
thousand
in
open
money
and
put
the
hundred
back
in
the
housing
trust,
but.
G
G
B
E
G
G
I
C
C
O
O
You
know
just
the
steady
stream
of
housing
articles
about
you
know
how
difficult
that
is
to
to
get
that
out
there.
The
urgency
is
there
and
this
this
would
make
a
real
impact
for
those
people
that
would
be
certain
today
and
tomorrow.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this.
This
is
a
fantastic
experience
and
it
really
demonstrates
the
power
of
leveraging
some
of
the
reputable
builders
in
our
area.
So
thank
you.
A
So
we
have
a
motion
you're
ready
for
the
vote.
Okay,
all
in
favor
of
the
1.1
million
from
the
two
sources
for
the
three
projects
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
So
that's
past
4-0.
Thank
I
want
to
really
thank
both
the
committees
for
your
hard
work.
Your
really
thoughtful
review
of
these.
I
I
think
emily.
This
is
just
the
beginning
of
some
of
those
hard
committee
discussions
when
the
decisions
they're
all
hard,
they're
all
good
and
you
have
to
come
down
somewhere.
A
J
J
We
asked
a
number
of
demographic
questions
just
so
we
could
have
a
better
understanding
of
of
who
we
heard
from
and
whether
or
not
that
would
be
representative
of
the
of
the
community
that
we
serve.
We
asked
a
question
on
affiliation
had
62
percent
that
responded
that
they
are
property
owners.
This
is
pretty
close
to
the
60
40
ratio
that
we
know
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
south
burlington
between
property
owners
and
renters.
L
J
J
J
This
slide
just
to
begin
to
talk
before
we
sort
of
dive
into
the
results
how
our
sample
differs
from
the
rest
of
the
population.
I
would
say
this
question
more
than
any
other
is
sort
of
the.
The
outlier
is
a
much
more
highly
educated
respondent
group
that
we
heard
from
then
then
we
have
in
the
census,
data.
J
So
on
to
the
results,
so
the
first
question
we
asked
is:
how
is
covet
19
impact
in
your
daily
lives
and
the
several
results
were
financially
socially
lost,
social
connection,
personal
health,
access
to
services
or
other,
and
this
socially
to
social
connection.
Obviously,
is
the
big
you
know:
that's
the
big
bar
here.
That's
what
we
receive
the
most
responses.
J
J
We
asked
the
question
an
open-ended
question
and
a
few
words
describe
how
the
pandemic
most
affected
you
and
your
family
and
consistent
with
question
one.
The
responses
were
talking
about
social
isolation
and
not
having
time
to
spend
with
friends
and
family
child
care
came
up
in
this
question.
Social
contact,
as
well
as
mental
health.
J
Another
open-ended
question
we
asked
and
a
word
cloud
here:
it
forced
a
number
of
changes
in
the
way
we
live
work
and
play
what
if
any
of
these
changes
would
you'd
like
to
see
continue
into
the
future,
and
I
don't
think
it's
any
surprise
that
a
a
lot
of
folks
talked
about
the
flexibility
that
covet
allowed
with
remote
work
options
with
remote
meeting
options.
Zoom
act
options
just
that
that
general
flexibility
was
something
we
saw
come
up
a
lot.
A
J
J
G
J
So
this
is
the
the
list
that
we
generated
and
absolutely
right
that
affordable
housing
was
not
something
we
included
on
our
list.
That
was
in
part,
because
council
had
already
allocated
a
million
towards
it.
So
this
was
a
question
of
you
know
what
other
projects
would
you
be
interested
in
the
city
investing
in
so
those
who
listed
these
as
very
important?
J
J
A
J
J
J
J
J
Yeah
and
and
one
thing
I
did-
provide
council
with
sort
of
the
raw
data
set
of
all
these
responses.
It's
you
know
well
over
300
responses.
It
takes
time
kind
of
weeding
through,
but
it's
very
interesting
to
see
what
individuals
talk
about,
and
here
just
to
sort
of
you
know,
create
the
ease
of
looking
at
it.
I
didn't
include
any
responses
that
didn't
have
five
or
more
that
dedicated
to
them.
J
We
also
got
a
number
of
responses
on
school
infrastructure
needs
and
then
a
large
number
of
responses
that
you
sort
of
said
very
broadly
broadly
use
the
investment
wisely.
Don't
spend,
don't
spend
this
on
ongoing
operational
costs.
Use
this
to
you
know,
pay
down
debts,
or
you
know
just
just-
invest
this
money
well,.
J
J
And
then
again
you
know
you
can
sift
through
the
you
know,
300
plus
responses
at
your
leisure,
but
I
thought
there
were
some
interesting
kind
of
unique
or
one-off
responses
that
we
got.
You
know
mountain
bike,
trail
more
benches,
around
high
used
stretches
of
city,
rec
paths,
a
solar
pavilion
workspace
amenity
in
the
city
park
and
someone
actually
provided
a
link
to
the
to
the
service
and
in
the
survey.
J
And
then
this
is
another
way.
We
asked
a
very
similar
to
question
five
and
just
had
folks
kind
of
go
through
the
exercise
of
ranking
from
one
to
thirteen.
What's
the
highest
priority
project
to
13,
what's
the
lowest
priority
project,
and
here
the
results
again,
the
the
horizontal
axis
on
the
bottom
is
the
exact
same
as
the
the
order
of
ranking.
J
So,
just
to
highlight
a
couple
of
the
summary
trends,
so
many
respondents
talked
about
the
sort
of
a
dire
need
for
increased
access
to
child
care.
Services
is
something
that
we've.
I
know,
we've
all
heard
of
a
lot
in
our
own
work.
In
the
last
couple
of
years,
isolation,
increased
use
of
green
and
recreational
spaces.
J
J
J
What's
the
thing
we're
going
to
look
back
on
in
10
to
20
years
and
say
we
seize
this
opportunity,
and
this
is
what
we
did
with
these
dollars
and
I
think
another
kind
of
key
goal
was
you
know
we
want
to
engage
the
community
as
well
as
we
can,
and
what
brilliant
ideas
are
out
there
that
we
haven't
thought
of.
So
the
few
questions
that
I
have
with
this
you
know
you
now
receive
these
responses.
J
Is
there
any
additional
outreach?
Are
there
any
changes
in
those
value
statements?
Are
there
so
many
projects
that
you,
you
know
you
sort
of
see
in
front
of
you
that
you
may
feel
a
little
bit
differently
about?
Okay.
You
know
this
fifty
thousand
dollar
project.
That
makes
some
sense
this
two
hundred
thousand
dollar.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
or
is
it
still
this
sort
of
okay?
We
have
three
million
dollars
remaining,
we
wanna.
We
want
this
to
go
to
one
project.
We
want
this
to
go
to
two
projects.
J
J
J
C
Please
so
andrew
did
a
great
job
on
the
survey.
I
do
just
want
to
also
note
for
the
council
that
you
very
intentionally
did
not
ask
the
committees
to
provide
individual
recommendations.
You
were
really
focused
on
the
survey.
However,
many
of
the
committees
did
provide
you
recommendations,
so
those
are
also
attached
to
your
agenda
tonight
as
well.
A
Well,
I,
for
one,
would
I
I
I
recognize
the
challenge
with
child
care.
It's
enormous,
I'm
puzzled
with
or
stymied
with
what
we
as
a
community
can
do
I
mean
what
the
the
kinds
of
programs
that
the
state
funds
tends
to
be
helping
people
pay
for
it,
some
kind
of
sliding
scale
or-
and
you
know
that's-
it
would
work
for
a
year
and
then
the
orphan
money
goes
away.
If
that's
what
we
chose,
so
I
guess
I
would
like
to
see
some
more
concrete
ideas
about.
So
what
does
that
mean?
A
What
can
a
community
do?
How
do
you
do
that
with
in
a
lasting
way?
So
it's
not
a
one-time
expenditure
kind
of
an
operating
budget
sort
of
will
give
vouchers
to
you
know
anyone
who
can't
afford
child
care,
because
once
the
vouchers
spend
it's
gone
and
then
you
gotta
replace
it
and
we
won't
have
this
money,
so
I'm
I'm.
I
would
look
for
some
creative
ideas
about
that
and
I
don't
have
them
in
my
head
and
I'd
like
to
hear
some
so
maybe
going
out
again
and
asking
some
of
these
people
would
be
helpful.
I
B
I
A
F
E
Don't
know
a
lot
I
mean
my
my
children
were
in
child
care,
one
point
during
time,
but
there
there
seemed
to
be
enough
child
care
back
in
the
in
the
90s
in
the
early
2000s
right-
and
I
know
that
you
know
before
the
pandemic
hit.
There
was
a
reduction
in
child
care
capacity
and
then
it
hit,
and
it
was
a
further
reduction
right
and-
and
I
hear
through
the
grapevine
that
another
child
care
facility
just
closed
recently
right-
that's
affected
a
lot
of
people.
E
So
the
question
is:
how
do
you?
How
do
you
get
more
child
care
capacity?
People
have
to
open
them
right
or
reopen
them,
and
the
question
is:
is
can
what
what
dial
does
the
city
have
to
help
with
that?
Could
it
be
help
with
permits
or
help
with
you
know,
expenditures
for
whatever
it
takes
to?
You
know
secure
space,
or
you
know
I
don't
know
what
those
things
are
and
whether
the
state
has
funds
to
help
with
that
or
not,
but
but
there
has
to
be
a
person.
E
C
So
I
think,
if,
if
that
is
an
area
that
you
all
want
us
to
look
into,
I
think
that
there
are
a
number
of
advocacy
organizations
that
focus
on
child
care
and
vermont,
and
I
think
we
could
do
some
research
about
if
we
had
x
number
of
dollars
to
leverage.
What
would
that
look
like
you
know
my
mind
immediately
goes
to
some
kind
of
helping
secure
real
estate
or
a
lease
for
a
new
child
care
center
to
buy
down
that
startup
cost,
so
the
cost
they
charge
is
lower
over
time.
C
D
B
I
J
T
Sure,
yes,
I'd
love
to
involve
the
school
in
that
discussion
as
well.
It
just
seems
like
there's
a
natural
fit
for
it.
If
the
city
can
work
with
the
school
to
somehow
open
up
available
or
future
school
resources
for
more
pre-k
and
pre-pre-k
opportunities,
that
seems
to
be
a
good
place
to
plug
in
with
them.
V
V
So
I'm
just
thinking
while
you're
just
beginning
these
pros
these
projects
and
you're
helping
to
fund
them.
It
would
be
very
powerful
to
be
working
with
some
leaders
in
early
child
care
and
talk
about
what
would
happen
or
what's
the
pros
and
cons
of
making
some
of
the
affordable
housing
unit,
an
actual
care
facility
just
to
pop.
A
A
J
X
Right
so
I
urge
the
council
to
look
at
those
proposals,
because
I'm
just
with
the
public
art
committee,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
we
developed
a
proposal
for
you
to
consider
to
use
in
a
transformational
way.
These
are
dollars
and
if
there's
30
of
them
and
you're
already
dipping
up
to
3
million
without
any
input
from
your
committees
or
your
leadership
team,
I
think
you're
getting
a
little
ahead
and
as
I
I
have
a
little
pony
and
she
pulls
me
in
a
cart.
X
The
cart
right
now
is
before
the
pony,
and
I
think
that
these
proposals
from
your
committee
structure
and
then
bring
any
priority
you
want
for
the
dollars.
Child
care
is
a
very
essential
thing
as
well,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
hard
to
sit
here
and
hear
you
taking
the
three
million
as
if
it's
your
dollars
and
not
what
your
committee
and
your
leadership
team
is
also
recommending.
X
X
A
L
L
L
For
you
to
read
what
the
committee
said.
I
wasn't
part
of
that
committee
decision.
It
wasn't
there,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
actually
go
ahead
and
read
those
first
and
then
maybe
have
a
time
that
all
the
committee
members
come
here.
You
know
at
least
a
few
of
them
and
make
their
case
for
how
to
spend
the
arba
funds.
C
Yes,
so
I
just
want
to
comment
that
the
council's
final
did
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
developing
the
survey
thinking
about
the
committees
and
whether
to
go
to
the
committees
and
ask
for
feedback
and
because
they
had
this
shared
goal
of
seeing
a
big
transformation
with
these
projects
and
not
kind
of
doling
out
small
bits
to
each
committee.
They
purposely
did
not
go
to
the
committees
to
ask
for
feedback
in
the
hopes
that
committee
members
and
the
and
our
the
rest
of
our
neighbors
would
complete.
C
A
A
L
Q
With
all
due
respect,
my
neighbor
and
my
representative,
I
would
encourage
you
to
put
out
an
rfp.
I
think
the
experience
with
the
affordable
housing
is,
if
you
put
out
a
set
amount
of
money,
you
really
get
creativity
and
things
that
I
think
will
really
benefit
the
community.
I
also
volunteer
at
a
child
care
center
every
week
and
another,
and
this
is
just
an
idea.
Another
thing:
that's
a
big
issue
is
staffing
yeah
things
where
I
was
volunteering
this
afternoon.
Things
are
a
bit
crazy
because
one
of
the
teachers
wasn't
there
that
day.
Q
Q
I
also
want
to
say
I
heard
I
read
all
this
stuff
and
I
heard
jesse
at
our
meeting
say
we
don't
really
have
the
staffing
to
put
in
place
and
operate
a
new
program.
We
were
talking
about
weatherization,
so
we
specifically
talked
about
partnering
or
adding
on
or
supplementing,
but
I
read
through
all
that
stuff
and
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
manage.
Q
Who
knows
how
many
50
five
thousand
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
grants
or
programs
or
whatever
so
to
a
certain
degree?
If
it's
going
to
be
transformative,
I
think
that
tends
to
correlate
with
a
bigger
price
tag.
So
just
I
would
encourage
you
to
put
out
an
rfp
per
million
dollars
for
child
care.
It's
it's
amazing
to
me
that
you
got
that
from
the
survey
and-
and
it
really
to
me
says
something.
G
Q
H
D
G
D
D
It's
just
trying
to
come
up
with
ideas
on
how
to
answer
a
community's
need
for
child
care
and
how
we
can
access
these
one-time
mice
for
this
transfer
more
transformational
change,
but
it
doesn't
negate
any
of
the
work
that
committee's
done
or
any
of
the
projects
or
obligate
us
to
spend
that
whatever
that
amount
is
on
that
issue,
because
perhaps
nothing
comes
back,
because
we
can't
do
anything
for
less
than
10.
We
don't
know,
but
but
we
need
to
find
out.
I
I
A
Well,
what
I
I
think,
those
are
good
ideas.
What
is
your
pleasure?
I
mean
I
threw
out
a
million
bucks
because
I
I
think
you
can
get
some
good
ideas
back.
I
appreciate
john's
comments
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
other
committees
who
and
I've
read
through
all
this
stuff
too.
So
perhaps
we
need
to
table
this
and
come
back
to
it
and
have
a
set
up
a
meeting.
Maybe
we
need
a
special
meeting
to
just
focus
on
the
committee's
presentations
on
the
arpa
funds.
A
Maybe
at
the
same
time
we
could
have
some
child
care
leaders
testify
or
not
testify,
but
share
ideas
that
will
help
us.
You
know
winnow
down.
Is
there
what's
the
right
dollar
figure?
I
I
don't
know
I
I
just
keep
going
back
to.
We
really
do
want
this
to
be
kind
of
once
in
a
lifetime
transformational,
and
I
think
some
of
the
just
my
opinion,
some
of
the
suggestions
for
committees
were
good,
but
they
also
are
things
that
we
probably
should
have
in
our
budget.
A
A
E
Next
meeting
we
can
add
another
agenda
item
at
the
next
meeting
and
continue
the
discussion
right
because,
and
maybe
we'll
have
some
more
information
or
some
more
input
yeah.
But
you
know
the
the
essence
of
this
is
that
the
federal
government
allocated
a
bunch
of
money
because
the
pandemic
damaged
our
society.
E
It
damaged
it
badly.
It
killed
over
a
million
people,
it's
still
killing
people.
It's
still
sickening
a
lot
of
people
with
long
covet.
It's
damaged
the
country's
gdp,
it's
damaged
our
productivity,
it's
damaged
our
employees,
workforce
on
a
national
and
an
international
scale,
and
so
the
money
should
be
used
if
we
can
to
try
and
and
find
those
things
that
were
fragile
to
begin
with,
that
have
been
damaged,
that
we
can
repair
and
and
repair
them
on
a
long-term
scale,
so
that
we
make
ourselves
more
resilient,
more
robust
for
the
future
time.
E
Something
like
this
happens
right
whatever
that
might
be,
and
you
know
we
we
already
had
some
problems
going
into
it
and
we
discovered
that
bam.
One
of
them
is
that
child
care,
and
so
child
care
problems
have
removed
large
numbers
of
women
from
the
workforce
immediately
right
during
the
pandemic
and
after
pandemic
right
and
also
probably
people
trying
to
get
exercised
because
they
couldn't
socialize.
It
has
exposed
some
issues
with
our
you
know:
recreation
infrastructure,
and
so
we
can
look
at
that
too.
E
T
To
segue
us
moving
us
along
what
I
think
the
committees
didn't
have
prior
to
this
discussion
was
the
survey
results,
and
so
I
love
special
meetings,
helen
and
if
you
want
to
have
a
special
meeting
and
have
the
committees
come
in,
so
that
they
can
integrate.
What
they
see
in
this
to
maybe
for
the
public
arts
committee
can
recognize
that
there
is
a
large
demand
for
more
recreation
outdoor
spaces.
So
maybe
it's
reading
your
public
arts
committee
recommendation
you're
going
to
craft
that
to
focus
it
on
expanding
the
bandshell
at
the
veterans
memorial.
T
B
J
Comment
on
that,
so
because
council's
sort
of
initial
guidance
was
not
getting
committee
in,
but
I
don't
think
the
committees
all
sort
of
had
a
fair
shake
at
going
through
it.
So
I
would
just
recommend
council
giving
enough
time
for
them
to
each
committee
to
kind
of
come
up
with
their
own
proposal
if
they
hadn't
already
and
refine
it
sure.
C
All
yeah,
so
let's
could
I
say
one
yeah
so
part
of
why
we
gave
you.
The
full
data
is
that
this
data
isn't
just
you,
don't
have
to
use
this
just
for
the
arpa
conversation
you
can
use
it
for
as
we
develop
the
comprehensive
plan
as
we
develop
the
fy
24
budget.
So
so
this
all
these
ideas
and
this
community
conversation
doesn't
go
away
with
just
these
decisions
right.
C
C
W
A
A
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
Let's
refrain
from,
he
said
she
said,
or
this
person
did
this
or
didn't
do
this,
that's
not
where
we
need
to
go
tonight.
So
so
tom
you
have
put
together
a
report
or
an
update
and
you
want
to
or
or
jesse
do
you
want
to
start?
I
don't
know
how
you've
figured
this
out
in
terms
of
I
mean,
we've
all
read
it,
but.
C
Y
Yes
well,
thank
you
helen.
Thank
you
jesse.
For
those
that
don't
know
me
tom
dipietro,
I'm
your
public
works
director
and
my
involvement
with
the
dark
park
is
pretty
recent,
and
so
I
appreciate
your
commentary
helen.
I
think
after
hearing
the
comments
reading
the
comments
meeting
with
betty,
I
think
it's
an
important
asset
to
the
community,
so
we're
really
looking
forward
to
kind
of
moving
this
forward
and
getting
it
open
for
everybody
here
with
good
direction.
Tonight.
Y
That
said,
the
installation
of
the
fence,
we
encountered
some
issues
when
we
went
to
install
it
and
so
there's
kind
of
two
maps
in
your
packet.
The
first
is
a
black
and
white
map,
the
approved
plan.
The
second
has
a
little
more
color
with
some
pink
green
and
blue
blobs
on
it.
That's
a
map
I
put
together
doing
a
little
gis
mapping,
so
some
of
the
issues
we
encountered.
Y
I
tried
to
call
out
on
that
color
map,
but
they
focused
around
basically
getting
the
fence
installed
and
issues
related
to
the
presence
of
ledge
topography
that
wasn't
conducive
to
installing
fence
kind
of
bedrock,
outcroppings,
steep
hills
and
then
concerns
about
areas
that
couldn't
be
very
easily
traversed
or
mowed
and
maintained
due
to
the
ledge
again.
Drainage
features
uneven
or
dangerous
ground.
So,
as
kind
of
a
result
of
all
that
I
mean,
as
people
have
rightly
pointed
out,
sort
of
what
is
fenced
in
at
the
moment
is
not
the
2.2
acres.
Y
It's
just
it's
about
half
that
size.
So
hearing
those
commentary
or
hear
that
commentary
we
have
well.
I
just
said:
there's
also
commentary
around
making
it
accessible
for
all
users
which
we
agree
with.
We
can
do
and
modifying
modifying
the
park
entrance
to
make
it
a
little
smaller
and
discourage
dogs
from
kind
of
playing
in
the
area.
A
Y
Y
Yeah,
okay,
so
we
met
with
the
fencing
company
and
a
lot
of
the
figures
that
you'll
see
in
here.
There
aren't
the
two.
I've
talked
about
already
figures:
three
through
six,
as
I
tried
to
label
them
for
clarity.
Those
are
sort
of
maps
that
the
fencing
company
has
given
to
us
based
on
what
they
think
they
can
do
in
different
areas.
So
I'll
start
with
the
park
entrance.
Y
Y
Y
Gate
mechanism
is
ada
compliant
as
well
and
three.
Actually
I
rolled
through
the
first
three
for
you
so
modifying
the
park
entrance,
and
so
we
we
can
get
the
sure
pack
material
or
crushed
limestone
out
of
the
public
works
budget.
That's
a
small
cost
we'll
do
that
with
our
staff
modifying
the
fence.
We'd
get
the
fence
company
back
in,
do
that.
That
was
about
thirteen
hundred
dollars.
Y
G
Y
South,
so
right
where
the
cursor
is.
Thank
you,
I
think
jesse
right,
yeah,
there's
a
nice
flat
area
up
there
that
in
the
initial
fence
installation
it
was
hard
to
get
there
because
of
the
rock
outcrop
outcropping
near
with
the
ledge
sticking
out,
so
that
area
was
kind
of
removed
from
the
locations
that
were
previously
fenced
in,
but
we
can
go
back
and
fence
in
some
additional
area
in
that
location.
For
about
sixty
six
hundred
dollars.
K
Y
Yeah,
so
in
the
northwest
corner
for
the
greener
area,
is
that
signifies
the
small
dog
area
as
it's
currently
constructed
that
is
figure
five.
The
fence
company
gave
us
an
estimate
and
kind
of
an
outline
for
how
that
area
could
be
expanded,
and
that
resulted
in
an
additional
0.1
acres.
Let's
call
it
just
under
just
under
a
tenth
of
an
acre
of
additional
space
for
about
400.
Y
Y
If
council
did
want
us
to
move
forward
and
modify
the
fence
to
include
that
roughly
a
tenth
of
an
acre
we'd
also
want
to
talk
about
doing
a
little
bit
of
drainage
work
there
perhaps
to
dry
that
area
up
a
bit
that
was
not
included
in
the
in
the
original
plan.
So
that's
part
of
the
recommendation
and
then
lastly,
is
the
large
area.
If
you
go
back
to
that
original
map
to
the
east,
so
that's
where
the
majority
of
the
park
area
was
lost
in
the
fence
installation.
Y
Y
It
was
pulled
in
to
the
to
the
east
concerned
about
including
that
area
in
the
park
for
our
human
users,
just
because
it's
a
very
uneven
area-
and
I
don't
know
we'd-
be
able
to
mow
it
we'd,
be
concerned
about
some
slip
and
falls
and
injury
kind
of
going
up
and
down
that
slope
more
so
again
for
the
human
users
and
the
dog
users
so
wanted
to
make
sure
that
council
was
aware
of
those
issues.
If
council
did
want
to
move
forward
with
fencing
in
that
area
as
well.
Y
Y
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure.
I
guess
that
we
have
a
proper
expectation
set
for
maintenance
as
well.
If
we
were
to
expand
in
these
various
areas,
whether
it's
due
to
the
wetness
or
the
ground
surface,
our
ability
to
mow
it
and
maintain
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
those
are
set
properly
too.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
part
of
the
conversation.
G
A
A
G
I
The
question
that
I
I'd
asked
tom,
if
I
could
yeah
yeah,
is
talking
with
members
of
the
dog
common
area
for
dogs
committee.
There's
a
real
interest
to
have
a
friends
of
the
dog
park.
Take
over
that
aspect
of
maintenance,
so
go
in
with
weed
whackers,
for
instance,
to
cut
the
the
long
grasses
where
the
mowers
could
not
get
to.
How
would
you
respond
to
that
idea?.
Y
I
think
it's
our
preference
to
have
sort
of
clear
expectations
for
maintenance
set
and
have
our
staff
do
it.
So
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
liability
and
injury
and
things
of
that
nature
I
mean:
we've
had
some
other
volunteer
efforts
in
the
past
and
I'll
use
the
rain
garden
adoption
program,
which
is
a
great
program.
I
wish
more
folks
were
involved,
but
it
kind
of
falls
off
and
it
becomes.
It
can
become
as
much
effort
to
kind
of
coordinate.
That
than
actually
just
do
it
on
your
own.
Y
C
You
know,
I
think
that
is
a
thing
that
you
could
do,
but
I
also
think
that
when
we
invest
in
municipal
infrastructure,
we
should
be
pairing
that,
with
the
cost
it
takes
to
maintain
that
infrastructure.
I
think
that
should
be
an
expectation
of
the
taxpayers
that
we're
going
to
use
their
dollars
to
do
something.
We
are
also
going
to
use
their
dollars
to
maintain
it.
I
So
if
I
could
I'm
just
trying
to
hear
from
from
tom
you're
kind
of
your
kind
of
your
baseline,
so
for
this
to
expand
into
that
southeastern
area,
the
only
way
you
see
as
really
you
know
viable
with
regard
to
city,
liability
and
and
just
what
jesse
explained
here,
is
that
it
would
be
a
tall,
grassy
area,
hopefully
with
less
divots.
That's
you
would.
That
would
be
like
that's
as
far
as
you
would
be
comfortable
going
outside
of
having
a
nicely
mowed
area.
Y
So
again,
it's
kind
of
multiple
issues.
I
would
like
to
fill
in
the
the
holes
in
the
low
spots
yeah,
so
we
can
get
up
and
down
that
hillside
or
somebody
can
get
up
on
that
hillside
and
then
have
a
discussion
about
the
expectation
for
maintenance
and
grass
height,
because
I
think
it
will
be
a
significant
effort
to
mow
that
area
kind
of
on
a
regular
basis.
And
if
we're
not
mowing
it
we'll
really
want
to
make
sure
we've
kind
of
dealt
some
of
those
divots,
because
you
can't
really
see
them
right
now.
A
B
E
A
D
G
D
Look,
I
think
tom
you've
done
an
excellent
job,
summarizing
the
the
issues,
the
costs
and
an
action
plan.
There's
no
question
that
I
am
in
favor
of
fixing
the
entrance
making
it
accessible
and
opening
the
park
and
then
expanding
it,
because
I
understand
that
we
can't
get
middlebury
fence
company,
even
if
we
had
cash
on
the
table,
couldn't
get
them
back
as
fast
as
we
could
open
the
park.
D
I
really
do,
I
think,
there's
I
think
that
you're
right,
that
we
need
to
set
expectations
of
what
the
city
can
and
can't
do
if
we
expand
it
to
the
east
and
I'm
okay
with
that.
This
is
an
unusual
and
unique
and,
I
think
very
attractive
dog
park.
This
isn't
the
football
field,
that's
at
star
farm
or
down
at
the
burlington
waterfront,
it's
more
akin
to
what
you
see
in
in
shelburne
and
and
that
overgrown
area
there.
D
This
is
this,
is
this
is
going
to
be
a
fantastic
amenity
for
the
city
of
south
burlington,
and
I
think
it
can
be
better.
Obviously
it
has
to
be.
The
entrance
has
to
be
fixed,
we're
on
it.
I
hope
the
council
will
agree
with
me
that
we
should
fix
that
right
away,
but
I
also
think
we
should
expand
it
to
the
east,
with
the
with
the
understanding
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
a
mode
football
field
like
you
find
in
star
farm.
B
G
T
I
agree
with
counselor
koto,
with
one
additional
comment
as
similar
to
counselor
really
my
spouse,
and
I,
when
we
walk
our
dogs,
we
don't
like
them
going
in
long
grass,
because
we
don't
want
the
ticks
we
don't
want
to
have
to
filter
through
it,
so
as
much
as
expanding
seems
feasible
if
the
city's
not
going
to
mow
it.
I
would
almost
want
that
to
be
a
third
section,
but
I
think
that's
a
discussion
for
another
day.
A
D
Yeah
there's
three
bites
of
the
apple.
Here
we
can
go
with
the
flatter
part
of
the
top
we
can
get
there.
I
think
we
can
get
a
third
of
an
acre
for
six
thousand
dollars
sixty
six
hundred
dollars
by
in
the
southwest
corner
and-
and
I
think
we
can
go
at
a
higher
cost,
but
I
think
we
can
go
east
and
gain
up
a
lot
of
the
acreage.
D
We
lost
again
understanding
that
this
terrain
is
different,
but
setting
expectations
for
both
users
and
staff
is
important,
and
then
I
think
the
the
the
third
question
is
whether
or
not
you
go
further
to
the
to
the
southwest
to
gain
what
is
.08
acres
with
drainage.
That's
an
additional
cost
above
the
forty
four
hundred
dollars.
Okay,
I
mean
I,
I
certainly
have
my
priorities,
which
may
not
be
the
priorities
for
the
committee
of
common
area
of
dogs
or
my
preferences.
D
A
A
G
Q
A
E
D
Y
I
guess
I'd
like
to
have
a
longer
conversation
about
sort
of
that
area
to
the
east.
Let's
call
it
area
six,
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
there.
If
we're
pulling
in
those
drainage
features
within
the
park
area.
I
don't
know
that
that's
actually
included
in
what
the
defense
company
showed
for
figure
six
as
far
as
their
recommended
expansion
that
we
worked
with
them
to
develop.
Y
So
I
think
there
should
be
some
more
discussion
going
east
but,
like
I
said
in
the
memo
getting
the
gate,
ready
and
then
expanding
in
the
southwest,
I
think
those
can
be
easily
done.
I
would
have
to
go
back,
you
know
and
we're
going
to
run
everything.
Of
course,
past
planning
and
zoning
make
sure
that
they're
on
board
with
it.
We
don't
need
any
other
approvals,
which
I
don't
think
we
do
until
we
start
adding
pipe
and
then
see
if
we
can
get
middlebury
fence
back
this
year
would
be
my
hope
before.
Y
D
Well,
at
the
very
least,
tom
and
you've
heard
my
opinion
on
this,
but
I'll
just
say
it
publicly.
Once
again,
we
need
middlebury
fans
back
to
fix
the
entrance
to
make
it
safe
and
accessible,
along
with
your
team
to
change
the
footing
and-
and
I
hope
we
do-
that-
I
hope
you
can
use
all
your
powers
that
you
have
to
convince
them
to
do
that.
Asap.
Y
E
Y
Y
They
drill
in
yeah
per
post,
they
charged
us
more
when
they
hit
ledge,
okay,
and
so
that's
the
other
piece
of
this.
I
didn't
get
to
give
my
quick
overview,
so
we've
spent
the
initial
budget
at
this
point.
We
do
own
extra
materials,
obviously
for
fence,
but
those
additional
numbers
in
there
are
for
the
labor
to
have
them
come
back
and
install
it,
and
now
they
kind
of
know
better
what
to
expect
ledge-wise
too.
Y
Y
Y
E
D
A
I
Y
A
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
I
T
D
A
Y
A
Y
A
G
Y
And
then
six
is
just
expansion
to
the
east.
Again,
it
does
not
follow
what
the
fence
company
drew
up
and
was
in
figure.
Six
does
not
follow
that
outline,
which
is
in
the
original
plan.
It
goes
over
those
drainage
features,
I
believe
so.
We
would
want
to
talk
more
about
that
if
it
was
council's
wish
to
extend
that
way,
both
on
where
it's
going
to
be
what
our
maintenance
expectations,
etc.
T
Yes,
so
I
want
to
expand
east.
I
support
that
council
dakota,
but
I
don't
see
that
happening
without
a
lot
more
thought
and
discussion
on
it,
and
so
that's
where
I'd
want
to
have
that
longer
discussion
to
really
understand
the
implications
of
having
it
be
part
of
the
current
dog
park
and
the
maintenance,
and
also
what
it
would
take
to
smooth
out
that
land,
so
I'm
not
against
having
a
dog
park
there
in
the
future.
But
I
want
to
open
this
current
dog
park
and
have
that
conversation
down
the
road.
That's
me.
A
I
T
C
So
to
simplify,
I
think
what
we're
saying
is,
hopefully,
in
partnership
with
middlebury
fans,
we
can
do
one
through
four
and
open
late
fall
and
then
five
and
six
over
the
course
of
the
winter.
We
would
work
on
and
bring
back
for
the
committee
and
the
council's
discussion
about
how
to
achieve
both
what
the
engineers
say
is
possible
from
a
design
and
build
construct
perspective
and
a
dollar
figure.
T
C
B
W
W
I'm
sorry
what
yes
yeah
so
because
I
think
probably
carol
might
be
a
little
more
relieved,
maybe
not
totally
happy,
but
the
what
you're.
I
think
in
looking
at
those
different
sections
and
looking
at
the
little
white
flags.
I've
looked
at
for
three
days
in
a
row.
There's
part
of
the
fence
on
the
south
side.
That's
going
to
stay
where
it
is.
W
Is
that
right?
That
is
that's
this!
That's
what
you've
basically
done.
The
middle
of
the
fence
on
the
south
side
would
not
change
right,
you'd
be
you'd,
be
bringing
the
eastern
corner
would
go
south
and
around
to
the
east,
and
then
the
western
corner
on
the
south
would
also
go
over
to
the
east
and
south.
But
not
the
middle
part
is
that
right.
W
Yes,
so
that
big
green
area
is
not
going
to
be
affected
that
much
it's
going
to
be
somewhat
affected,
but
it
wouldn't
be
all
of
it.
So
when
we
see
a
straight
line
going
across
there,
that
won't
be
what
it
looks
like
right.
The
the
brown
part
on
the
south
side
goes
straight
across,
and
it
won't
be
that
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
what
you've
got
on
your
diagrams
and
what
we
saw
on
the
post.
We
saw
little
white
flags
on
the
post
and
there
was
a
section
between
flags
that
looked
like.
W
Y
W
Yeah
and
what
you've
done
with
flags
is,
and
with
those
diagrams
that
you've
shown
us
that
will
change
that
on
that
southern
border
correct,
and
I
think
that's
an
important
piece
for
all
of
us
to
understand
that
we're
not,
and
I
think
we
also
know
that
that
would
be
an
expectation
we'd
be
having
to
do
some
compromises
with
what
was
originally
there.
The
I
have
another
question
for
tom
because
when
the
fencing's
before
the
fencing
went
up
there
were,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
equipment
is.
W
You
call
it
front
end
loaders
whatever
it
is,
they
dug
a
trench
to
put
in
they
buried
drainage
and
it
went
from
along
the
parking
lot
and
it
turned
it
turned
south
around
the
perimeter
of
where
the
fence
is
right.
Now
there
is
some
there
is
some
drainage
piping
over
there
already.
So
you
might
want
to
talk
to
adam,
because.
Y
W
Was
a
dream?
My
involvement
was
after
the
fence.
I
know
it
was,
but
there
is.
I
know
that
there
was
drainage
put
in
there,
at
least
at
least
along
the
northern
border,
and
it
went
around
the
corner
I
drove
by
it
several
times
a
day
while
they
were
doing
it
so
anyway.
I
will
I'm
somewhat
heartened
with
some
of
the
comments
you
folks
have
made,
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
committee
because
we
meet
next
week,
but
I
can
just
tell
you.
W
C
W
And
I
would
just
I
would
appreciate
it
if,
because
our
committee
knows
dogs
and
knows
dog
parks-
and
this
is
the
fourth
iteration
of
a
design-
and
our
committee
has
not
been
asked
for
any
input
on
any
of
those
iterations,
so
I
would
really
appreciate
it
before
any
other
changes
are
made
and
our
committee
be
given
an
opportunity
to
share
why
it
is
certain
things
we
asked.
You
know
certain
things
that
we
thought
were
important
that
were
not
basically
considered.
W
Absolutely
and
be
able
to
have
input
before
the
final.
You
know
that's
before
it's
final,
so
that
I
feel
that
staff
have
gone
and
had
to
do
a
lot
of
work
and
done
four
different
iterations,
because
I
think
in
the
beginning
the
committee
wasn't
really
involved
in
the
design
you
know
so
or
the
layout,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
we're,
certainly
not
construction
people,
but
we
certainly
understand
the
design
part
of
it.
W
A
A
A
B
T
I'd
say
is
this
is
a
beautiful
dog
park
and
this
committee
has
a
lot
to
be
to
be
thanked
for
for
all
the
work
that
you
did
and
our
dpw
for
building
it
is
phenomenal.
I
can't
wait
until
this
asset
is
open
and
the
community
is
going
to
love
it,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
complement
everything
that
common
roots
has
done
up
there
and
I
look
forward
to
having
a
ribbon
cutting
ceremony
at
the
dog
park.
Another
meeting
so.
K
A
V
All
I
really
need
to
know
is
who
makes
that
decision
if,
when
someone
is
paid
to
have
an
event
at
the
wheeler
homestead
and
they're,
getting
married
and
they're
having
a
wedding
party,
lots
of
dogs
barking?
I
don't
know
what
it'll
sound
like
it's
a
great
park
and
we're
glad
to
be
friendly
neighbors,
but
I
think
there
could
be
a
challenge
to
renting
the
land.
If
there's
dogs
at
a
formal
event
like
a
wedding
or
some
or
some
similar
event,
so
I
don't
know
who
makes
the
decision
on
that.
C
A
A
C
Y
C
B
A
A
J
Last
year
we
combined
cip
items
with
the
general
budget
discussion
as
well
as
we
have
three
three
councilman
meetings
to
present
the
budget.
Each
night
will
be
something
a
little
bit
different
starting
in
september,
so
we'll
have
a
public
safety
night
and
administrative
services
night
in
library
and
public
works
night.
All
that
all
that
fun
stuff
so.
A
J
The
next
main
council
decision
point
will
be
at
the
next
regular
council
meeting
to
talk
about
budget
goals
for
fy24
last
year
when
we
went
through
that
discussion.
It's
also
when
we
close
out
the
fiscal
year
for
fy
22
and
we'll
have
the
final
surplus
allocation
discussion
provided
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
sort
of
where
we
are
in
fy
23
or
in
the
in
the
current
fiscal
year
and
what
we're
forecasting
for
increases
next
year.
Of
course,
that's
that's
a
forecast.
J
J
G
E
A
C
E
I
have
a
motion
yep.
I
move
that
the
council
enter
into
executive
session
for
the
purpose
of
discussing
the
negotiation
or
securing
a
real
estate
purchase
or
lease
options
and
to
discuss
the
appointment
or
employment
or
evaluation
of
a
public
officer
or
employee,
inviting
jesse
baker,
andrew
bullduck,
paul,
connor
and
colin
mcneil.
Probably
somebody
remote,
that's
it
that's
it.