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Conference
will
now
be
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so
for
those
are
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you
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You
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case
of
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emergency
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those
who
are
participating
remotely.
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you
for
joining
us.
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you
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like
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speak,
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are
welcome
to
message
me
indicating
that,
and
I
would
and
counselor
really
will
be
happy
to
call
on
you
thanks
very
much.
A
A
C
I
missed
the
pension
advisory
committee
meeting
last
week
because
I
was
at
work
and
we
were
having
a
problem,
so
I
couldn't
attend
and
I
apologize
I'll
catch
up
with
andrew
later
I
did
attend
the
bca
meeting
on
thursday
night.
We
had
a
good
training
on
the
new
machines.
It's
the
second
training
I've
attended,
so
I'm
feeling
comfortable
with
those
machines
now
for
the
coming
august,
9th
election.
So
looking
good
thanks.
I
I
also
attended
the
bca
meeting
with
helen
and
tim
and
my
first
time
working
elections
and
I'm
excited
to
volunteer
on
november
9th,
and
I
hope
everyone
votes
the
other
announcement,
and
I
guess
I
could
make
this
at
the
end
of
the
evening,
but
I
don't
know
if
anyone
will
still
be
up
or
if
they
fast
forward
to
the
end.
We've
all
noticed
the
the
if
you've,
driven
by
dorset
street
and
wheeler
park,
you've
noticed
the
fencing
go
up
for
the
new
long
awaited
dog
park.
I
I
I
guess
that's
a
question
that
I
would
ask
jessie
to
forward
to
her
team
because
they're
interested
in
finding
the
answer
and
if
it
is
smaller
than
the
final
plot
approved
by
the
development
review
board,
does
that
in
fact
mean
they
have
to
submit
a
revised
plat
or
is
it
a
contractor
error
that
can
be
easily
fixed?
These
aren't
this
isn't
cement
in
the
ground.
These
are
posts
that
are
put
in
dirt,
but
there
is
a
several
people
on
the
committee
for
common
area.
I
D
You
know
due
to
work
adjustments
needed
due
to
covid,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
worthy
enough
question
that
I
wanted
to
raise
it
publicly
instead
of
in
an
email.
I
wanted
to
speak
it
out
here
in
a
microphone,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
valid
question
for
people
who
lost
their
jobs
or
had
to
you
know,
rethink
how
you
know
they
were
going
to
make
a
living.
D
They
had
to
go
back
to
school,
which
is
a
very
expensive
endeavor
here
in
this
country,
and
you
know
what
kind
of
programs
could
we
you
know
make
available
to
them,
or
at
least
you
know
point
them
to.
That
would
be
a
great
question.
I
think
that
many
people
in
our
community
would
be
interested
in
knowing
about.
J
A
Great
good
enough,
I
attended
the
airport
commission
meeting
and,
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
I'll
update
you
on
on
what
I
have
to
share
with
that.
I
also
had
an
interesting
meeting
with
cam
lauth.
I
think
that's
how
you
pronounce
his
last
name,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
turning
point,
which
is
a
recovery.
A
A
The
second
is
interesting.
The
second
largest
user
of
turning
point
are
residents
of
south
burlington,
no
real
surprise.
Because
of
during
covid
we
offered
the
holiday
inn
where
the
larkins
offered
the
holiday
inn
and
contracted
with
the
state.
So
there
were
a
number
of
people
in
recovery
living
there,
and
we
have
several
other
spots
in
the
city
where
we
provide
housing.
A
A
Yeah
award
to
different
organizations,
but
I
know
that
different
things
come
forward
at
the
end
of
the
year
when
we
have
a
little
bit
of
extra
money
or
a
consideration
of
arpa.
Certainly
the
impact
on
the
recovery
community
was
lord
greatly
impacted
by
covet.
So
I
suspect
that
is
a
acceptable
use.
So
I
told
him
I
would
raise
the
issue
I'll
do
some
work
and
I'm
just
raising
it
with
you.
I
made
no
commitment,
they're,
typically
asking
communities
I
think,
for
about
five
thousand
dollars.
A
G
G
Well,
I
also
wonder
to
the
opioid
settlement.
You
know
the
municipalities
were
getting,
I
think
it
was
like
15
distributed.
The
rest
was
going
to
the
state
for
more
regional
solutions.
I
wonder
if
they're
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
certainly
a
solution
for
us,
but
I
wonder
if
they're
also
talking
to
the
state
I'll.
A
F
A
At
that
meeting.
We
also
agreed
they
have
we're
the
the
town
or
city
in
the
state
who
will
be
trying
out
a
proven
technology,
but
we're
the
only
one
in
the
state
and
it's
a
like
a
sort
of
like
a
speed
reader.
So
you
can
we're
planning
on
using
it
with
the
mail-in
right
and
you
can
just
stack
them
up
and
put
them
in
and
they
just
read
them
really
really
fast
and
they
yeah
and
they
stop.
A
If
there's
a
right
in
so
you
can
take
that
out
and
then
it
goes
through
and
so
burlington
didn't
want
to
because
they
have
a
new
city
clerk
and
they
said,
oh,
it's
a
little
overwhelming
already,
for
I
think
it's
a
female.
I
don't
know
her,
but
so
donna
asked
the
bca
and
we
agreed
that
we
would
try
it
if
it.
You
know
something.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
work,
but
it
has
worked
in
lots
of
other
municipalities
or
states,
not
municipalities
in
this
state,
but
in
other
states.
A
L
L
A
And
the
nice
part
about
this
is
we'll
get.
We
always
get
some
mail-ins
after
friday,
the
friday
before
so
over
the
weekend
on
monday
and
those
we
open
at
the
polls
and
feed
them
in
if
people
have
ever
seen
us
doing
that,
that's
what
we're
doing,
but
this
should
cut
down
on
that,
because
if
we
don't
get
them
processed
beforehand,
we
have
to
take
them
to
election
day
the
polls
and
open
them
and
go
through
that
whole
process.
A
So
that
part
I'm
excited
about
seeing
work
and
hopefully
it
will-
and
I
think
the
other
piece
that
is,
I
think
really
important
for
the
public-
is
that
when
you
insert
your
ballot,
if
you've
over
voted
or
undervoted
or
made
a
errant
mark
somewhere,
it
spits
it
back.
But
it
tells
you
what
you
did
wrong.
It'll
say
over
vote
in
the
state
senate
and
then
you
have,
as
the
voter,
you
have
the
option
to
go
and
get
a
new
ballot.
A
Of
course
you
have
to
get
three
ballots
because
you
get
all
three
but
go
back
and
and
re-vote
and
submit
that
or
you
can
you
can
just
say
you
know
I
don't
care
about
that
race
and
just
push.
What
does
it
say,
cast
yeah,
there's
a
little
button
and
you
push
the
cast
button
in
the
past.
You
know
one
of
us
who
worked
there
has
had
to
come
over
and
sort
of
look
and
and
point
out.
C
Yeah
thanks
so
for
the
voters
that
are
watching
right
now
or
in
the
audience.
If
you
are
going
to
go
vote
on
election
day,
what
you're
going
to
see
that's
a
little
different
than
last
year?
Is
you
remember
that
the
the
black
box
has
a
beige
box
sitting
on
top
of
it
that
you
slide
your
ballot
in?
So
what's
not
changing
the
ballots
are
not
changing
it's
the
same
type
of
ballot.
You
can
put
it
in
front
back
upside
down.
It
doesn't
matter.
What's
changed.
C
C
You
know
type
in
correctly,
and
then
the
the
bin
that
it
sits
on
is
about
twice
as
big
as
the
previous
bins,
so
that
it
will
hold
more
ballots
and
it's
a
little
higher,
and
the
nice
thing
about
is
that
the
write-in
ballots
now
will
be
exactly
collected
in
a
new
hopper.
That
will
not
be
you
know
badly
mixed
with
the
other
ballots
like
the
the
old
system.
A
flipper
would
flip
them
one
way,
but
sometimes
they
would
stuck
if
there
were
too
many
ballots
in
there.
C
So
we'd
still
have
to
go
back
to
the
whole
stack
and
find
all
the
write-ins.
That's
no
longer
a
problem,
because
this
machine
actually
has
two
output
slots,
one
for
a
correct
vote
and
one
for
a
right
interest
if
it-
and
so
it
goes
into
a
separate
bin
and
and
that's
easily
accessible
and
there
that
bin
is
isolated
from
the
rest
of
the
collection
area.
So
there
are
some
real
improvements.
Yeah.
B
B
G
Jesse
great,
thank
you
so
first
I
want
to
thank
andrew
for
covering
for
me
the
week
of
the
18th.
Well,
I
missed
your
council
meeting.
My
apologies
for
that.
I
was
on
a
camping
trip
in
ontario
with
my
family
that
had
been
scheduled
for
july
2020
that
we
finally
got
to
do
so.
It
was
lovely
and
thank
you
very
much,
andrew
a
bunch
of
updates
for
you
tonight.
One
you'll
hear
a
little
about
this
tonight,
but
the
climate
action
plan
is
out
for
public
comment.
G
G
Starting
council
knows
this,
but
for
the
public
starting
on
august
15th
there'll
be
a
private
contractor
working
in
the
city's
right
of
way
on
dorset
street
right
near
cider
mill,
they're,
adding
a
left
hand
only
turn.
It
is
likely
that
that
will
go
down
to
one
lane
at
periods
during
that
construction.
So
folks
should
just
be
aware
of
that:
we'll
try
and
keep
traffic
moving
as
quickly
as
possible.
It
should
take
about
one
to
two
weeks
for
that
to
be
wrapped
up
so
excited
about
that.
I
I
So
that's
the
reason
it
was
put
in
there,
but
the
connection
between-
and
this
is
where
paul-
if
he's
in
the
audience,
can
correct
me
later,
the
connection
between
edgewood,
the
new
property.
That's
under
developed,
the
new
development
insider
mill
at
summerfield
doesn't
happen
until
after.
If
my
memory
serves
after
the
50th
permit
is
pulled.
B
C
Do
they
have
to
there's
a
telephone
pole
right
there?
This
is
for
the
for
the
cider
mill
right
hand,
turn
line
yeah
and
it's
so
so
left
hand
turn
lane
and
right
hand
turn
lane
right.
So
so
three
lanes
coming
out
of
cider
mill
to
dorset
street
one
coming
in
and
two
going
out.
So
there's
a
telephone
pole
right
there
at
the
at
the
corner
on
the
northern
side
or
maybe
they're
gonna
play
with
the.
I
don't
know,
we'll
find
out
all
right.
Yeah.
I
I
I
Talking
about
the
the
construction
of
the
right-hand
turn
lane
on
the
cider
mill
neighborhood
onto
dorset
street
people
may
know
the
answer.
Oh
yeah,
I'm
sorry
tom's
back
there
and
I
believe
from
my
prior
volunteer
experience
that
that
was
a
condition
that
was
at
the
haddock
people
had.
It
happened
before
the
first
permit
was
pulled,
but
the
actual
condition
that
the
two
neighborhoods
be
connected
at
summerfield
lane
not
or
something
field
avenue
not
occur
until
after
the
50th
permit
is
pulled.
Is
that
correct?
G
So
I
do
want
to
give
you
a
couple
of
staffing
updates.
Like
most
industries,
we
are
experiencing
some
pretty
significant
staffing
challenges
at
the
moment,
so
I
think
andrew
shared
this
quickly.
Last
week
we
are
actively
hiring
for
library
staff,
but
given
that
we
are
down
staff
right
now
so
this
week
the
library
has
to
close
at
five
o'clock,
not
the
usual
seven
o'clock.
That
will
only
be
in
place
this
week
and
then
we
will
be
up
to
full
service
next
week
and
we
do
have
some
good
new
library
staff
coming
on.
G
I
also
want
to
share
that.
We
recently
promoted
dave
wheeler
to
our
new
deputy
director
of
water
resources
position,
which
is
very
fun
and
exciting
and
adds
our
second
deputy
higher
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
to
tom's
team.
The
and
it's
great
to
promote
from
within
the
challenge
with
that
is
that
it
creates
a
new
vacancy
for
us.
So
we
still
do
have
three
significant
vacancies
within
the
capital
projects
and
management
team
at
public
works
that
we're
trying
to
build
up
with
under
tom's
leadership.
G
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
stormwater
positions,
this
would
be
a
great
time
to
apply
to
the
city
of
south
burlington.
We
are
also
doing
second
interviews
for
our
zoning
administrator
position.
This
week
we
have
experienced
the
same
thing
that
we
are
hearing
our
employment
neighbors
talk
about
about
having
a
lot
of
frustration
pulling
in
candidates
from
out
of
state.
G
In
the
last
six
months
we've
had
actually,
in
the
last
four
months,
we've
had
two
really
qualified
senior
level
finalists
for
positions
where
they've
been
offered
the
positions
and
have
either
accepted
and
reneged
or
not
accepted
the
position
solely
for
lack
of
ability
to
find
housing
in
our
region,
which
is
a
real
challenge.
But
in
better
news
today
we
did
swear
in
two
new
police
officers
who
will
go
to
the
academy
on
august
22nd,
which
is
amazing.
They
will
join
our
three
new
officers
who
just
graduated
from
the
academy
on
july
15th.
G
So
we
are
coming
out
of
that
hole
and
we're
excited
to
welcome
them
today.
Chief
lock,
who
will
be
here
later,
also
announced
the
promotion
of
lieutenant
john
christman
to
the
position
of
captain
which
completes
a
captain
transition.
We've
been
going
through
since
last
december,
when
captain
michael
gensler-north
thank
you,
retired,
so
welcome,
brad
to
tilio
and
now
captain
chrisman
to
serve
with
captain
corbin
in
other
additional
fun
news.
G
And
then
two
other
quick
things
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
the
interim
school
superintendent
last
week
and
trying
to
continue
that
partnership
between
our
teams.
She
is
very
excited
about
continuing
our
monthly
meetings.
We
talked
about
impact
fees,
some
other
permitting
questions
as
well
as
things
starting
to
think
about
how
we
convene
a
joint
working
group
to
think
about
capital
projects
planning
jointly
over
the
years
to
come
and
then
finally,
just
a
reminder.
G
We
have
our
committee
annual
orientation
on
thursday
night
here
in
this
room
colin,
and
I
will
be
talking
about
super
fun
things
like
structures
of
boards
and
committees,
the
policies
and
strategies,
conflict
of
interest,
open,
meeting
law.
We
are
recording
it
for
folks
who
can't
join
us,
but
do
encourage
anyone
who
serves
on
a
board
or
committee
to
come
and
join
us
or
participate
remotely
or
listen
to
the
recording.
We
will
try
our
best
to
get
people
out
of
here
by
seven
o'clock,
so
they
can
go
to
the
sobu
night
out
and
fireworks.
A
Thank
you
all
right
now
back
to
where
I
was
before
the
consent
agenda,
and
we
have
four
items:
the
disbursements
and
then
minutes
from
one
two,
three
four
five
meetings,
so
we
will
be
up
to
date.
I
believe,
approve
the
the
municipal
policies,
grant
agreement,
resolution
and
authorize
the
city
manager
to
sign
the
grant
agreement
for
the
vermont
community
development
program
for
summit
properties
and
finally,
award
of
the
fy
23
dorset
street
phase,
3,
paving
contract
to
pike
industries,
I'll
move.
C
C
K
All
of
that
we
deposit
all
that
we
don't
have
to
return
back
to
the
feds
we
deposit
into
a
special
fund-
that's
later
spent,
I
guess
through
the
conditions
in
the
special
fund,
but
I
can
get
you
additional
details
on
what
these
were
actually
purchased
for
this
time.
Okay,
it
may
very
well
have
just
been
our
disbursement
back
to
the
feds
and
that's
the
that's
what
you're
seeing
okay,
so
thank
you.
C
K
O
K
Just
with
this
cost,
which
is
a
you
know,
it's
33
above
what
we
originally
forecasted
and
tom
does
mention
that
we'll
still
have
a
little
money
money
back,
because
we
did
end
up
getting
the
state
grant
200
000,
but
we
also
you
know
at
the
next
council
meeting,
we'll
be
talking
about
surplus
spending
and-
and
there
has
been
a
request
to
include
some
additional
paving
costs
to
make
sure
we're
meeting
whatever
our
spring
paving
needs
are
when
that
time
comes
when
we
come
out
of
the
winter.
So.
D
K
And
you
know
that
it's
it's
such
a
need
in
that
section
too,
and
you
know,
as
we
always
have
the
conversation,
what
does
it
make
more
sense
to
push
pause
on
this
and
re-bid
it
at
a
later
date,
but
then
we're
just
playing
the
you
know:
is
cost
of
living
actually
going
to
decrease,
or
are
these
costs
actually
going
to
decrease
and
our
thought
was
the
it's
such
a
an
important
paving
need
at
this
point.
Let's
get
the
project
going.
A
Okay,
so
are
we
ready
for
the
vote?
Okay,
all
in
favor
of
the
consent
agenda
as
presented
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Okay
pass.
This
five,
though,
thank
you
item.
Seven
is
a
recommendation
from
the
climate
action
plan
task
force
to
adopt
an
ordinance
regulating
fuels
for
heating
and
hot
water
in
new
construction
and
andrew
chelnik,
a
climate
action
plan
task
force.
Member
will
present
that
I'm
assuming
you're
going
to
give
him
control.
Do
you.
P
You
so
I'm
andrew
chalnek
vice
chair
of
the
climate
action
task
force,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
time
this
evening,
with
the
tremendous
support
of
paul
connor
and
melanie
needle
and
and
janda
of
the
ccrpc.
The
task
force
has
been
hard
at
work,
developing
a
climate
action
plan
that
you
all
test
us
with
and
we
anticipate
delivering
that
plan
in
september.
P
And
although
I'm
presenting
this
deck
tonight,
the
the
presentation
is
really
the
result
of
great
input
and
work
from
the
entire
task
force.
So
I
want
to
give
everybody
credit
not
to
leave
you
with
complete
suspense,
but
before
we
get
to
the
actual
item,
I
think
it's
important
to
just
review
some
of
the
foundation
for
the
work
of
the
task
force.
So
we
can
flip
to
slide
two.
P
The
adverse
impacts
of
climate
change
are
already
being
felt
in
vermont,
and
projections
are
for
the
impacts
to
become
more
extreme
we've
put
up
on
the
slide
just
a
few
of
the
things
that
vermont
is
feeling
and
a
few
things
which
scientists
project
we
will
feel
over
the
next
few
decades.
So
temperatures
have
warmed,
winters
are
shorter,
spring
comes
earlier,
rainfall
is
heavier.
P
What
does
that
all
mean?
It
means
the
lake
is
becoming
more
polluted.
It
means
the
maple
season
is
shorter,
the
maple
industry
is
struggling
and
will
struggle
more
ski
season
is
shorter,
we're
experiencing
more
insects,
more
invasive
plants.
More
disease
projections
are
that
70
bird
species
will
disappear
from
vermont
in
the
next
couple
of
decades.
P
But
that's
that's
probably
not
the
the
scariest
part
of
it,
perhaps
more
important
than
the
local
impacts
of
the
impacts
to
the
global
community
and
honestly,
the
impacts
are
so.
The
projected
impacts
are
so
numbing.
One
could
be
forgiven
for
thinking
they
come
from
a
dystopian
novel
rather
than
scientific
reports.
P
Coastal
cities
will
flood
drought
will
deplete
the
breadbaskets
that
feed
the
world
and
ecosystems
will
fail.
The
co-chair
said
something
that
just
sent
a
chill
through
my
spine.
If
you,
if
you
really
read
the
words
and
and
what
what
he
said
he
said,
climate
change
is
a
threat
to
human
well-being
and
planetary
health.
P
Further
delay
in
concerted
anticipatory
global
action
and
adaptation
mitigation
will
miss
a
brief
and
rapidly
closing
window
of
opportunity
to
secure
a
livable
and
sustainable
future
for
all
on
this
page,
I
just
have
a
little
chart
which,
which
strikes
me
every
time
I
look
at
it,
which
shows
how
unprecedented
the
temperature
change
has
been
in
recorded
history.
You
can
kind
of
see
over
the
past
10
thousand
years,
it
kind
of
goes
up.
P
P
Human-Induced
climate
change
exactly
right.
Yes,
so
to
the
credit.
If
we
can
flip
the
page
to
the
credit
of
of
this
great
city,
the
council
has
made
some
very
strong
commitments
to
address
the
climate
crisis,
starting
in
14
with
the
energy
efficiency
resolution
and
17,
with
the
agreement
to
join
the
the
paris
climate
accord
and
much
more
recently
in
in
july,
of
2001,
with
the
formation
of
the
task
force
of
which
I'm
a
member
and
the
goal
of
reducing
our
carbon
footprint
in
accordance
with
the
latest
science.
P
So
if
we
flip
the
page,
as
I
mentioned,
ccrpc
and
melanie
and
anne
have
been
doing
really
amazing
work
and
I
don't
want
to
steal
their
thunder
because
you'll
see
the
full
report
of
september,
but
they've
been
able
to
baseline
how
much
carbon
the
city
is
emitting.
How
much
we
did
emit
how
much
we'd
have
to
emit
to
meet
our
goals
and
then
translate
that
all
into
really
concrete
steps
that
we'd
have
to
take
to
meet
our
goals.
P
P
P
P
As
I
mentioned,
there
was
one
thing
that
we
all
talked
about,
which
seemed
really
compelling,
because
it's
an
action
that
this
city
has
the
power
to
take.
It's
a
meaningful
action,
as
we
did,
the
research,
it
seems
to
be
practical,
doesn't
seem
very
costly.
The
technology
is
there
and
lots
of
folks
are
doing
it
and
that
is
to
build
new
construction
effectively.
Carbon
free,
it's
not
exactly
carbon
free
I'll,
get
into
the
details
of
that,
but
effectively
carbon
free.
P
If,
if
we
don't
do
that,
if
new
construction
is
not
carbon
free,
the
emissions
from
new
construction
over
the
next
period
of
years
would
be
about
5
000
megatons
of
co2
equivalent,
which
equates
to
about
six
and
a
half
percent
of
the
total
emissions
that
we
project
to
have
in
two
thousand
thirty.
So
we'd
have
to
find
other
ways
of
doing
that,
and
it's
really
really
hard
to
reduce
emissions
as
as
we
found,
and
that
would,
if
you
know,
if
we
couldn't
do
this,
and
we
had
to
do
something
else.
P
P
I
can't
see,
but
he's
there
wonderful,
so
so
jack
is
burlington
city
councillor,
who
was
a
driving
force
behind
an
ordinance
of
the
type
that
we're
we're
going
to
ask
you
all
to
consider
for
adoption
here
and
if,
if
with
your
permission,
if
I
can
turn
over
to
jack
to
maybe
speak
to
this
slide
and
speak
to
the
processes
and
his
experience.
If
we
could
flip
the
next
slide
with
respect
to
the
ordinance
that
that
burlington
adopted.
P
Q
Q
Okay,
great
so
yeah,
my
name
is
jack
hansen,
I'm
the
east
district
city
councilor
in
burlington.
I
started
on
council
in
april
of
2019
and
I've
served
on
the
transportation,
energy
and
utilities
committee,
as
well
as
the
ordinance
committee,
and
really
been
working
on
really
been
focused
on
climate
policies,
and
this
was
definitely
a
big
one.
That
myself
and
a
number
of
other
counselors
and
the
mayor's
administration
focused
on,
and
I
think
andrew
did
a
good
job
of
framing.
It
of
you
know
we're
in
this
daunting
position.
Q
All
of
us
really
not
just
policymakers,
but
everyone
here
tonight
and
everyone
living
on
earth
today.
Has
this
daunting
task
ahead
of
us
of
within
a
matter
of
just
a
few
years.
We
we
have
to
rapidly
move
away
from
fossil
fuels
and
and
decarbonize,
and
I
think
local
governments
are
in
a
position
to
play
a
really
important
role
and,
and
it's
it's
really
imperative
that
we
all
take
that
opportunity
and
step
up
in
terms
of
this
policy.
Q
So
it's
really
a
poor
investment,
and
this
this
policy
can
correct
that
and
can
ensure
that
new
construction
is
relying
very
little
or
not
at
all
on
fossil
fuels.
That
way,
we
can
focus
our
collective
energy
on
moving
existing
buildings
away
from
fossil
fuels,
which
is
already
a
daunting
task
for
all
of
us.
So
that
would
be.
My
plea
is:
is
let's
not
make
our
jobs
harder?
Q
Let's,
let's
make
sure
that
new
buildings
are
are
as
close
to
fossil
free
as
possible,
and
fortunately
the
technology
has
really
really
come
a
long
way,
and
I
I
learned
about
that.
As
we
worked
on
this
policy,
so
in
2019
is
when
we
started
looking
at
this
on
the
burlington
city,
council,
berkeley,
california
and
number
of
other
cities
in
california
and
massachusetts
had
recently
passed
policies
along
these
lines,
and
so
we
started
looking
into
it.
Q
It
took
us
much
longer
really
than
it
should
have,
but
we
did
eventually
pass
this
last
summer
and
it
went
into
final
effect
in
september,
and
the
idea
is
that
the
primary
heating
system
needs
to
be
renewable
and
we
gave
options
to
developers
of
how
they
could
meet
that
really
any
type
of
renewable
fuel
can
be
used
to
meet
it
in
burlington's
ordinance,
and
it's
a
pretty
you
know.
I've
been
on
the
ordinance
committee
a
few
years.
This
is
one
of
the
shortest
ordinances.
We've
ever
passed.
Q
In
september
we
haven't
seen
any
buildings
go
all
the
way
through
the
process,
but
from
what
I
understand
talking
to
the
director
of
permitting
inspections
is
that
thus
far
no
one
has
no
developer
has
tried
to
go
for
the
cost
exemption.
Thus
far,
everyone
is
on
track
to
comply
so
far,
so
the
policy
is
working
smoothly.
You
know
it
hasn't
been
a
long
time,
but
it
is
working
smoothly
and
yeah.
I
mean
I
I
think
andrew
will
talk
about
the
committee's
recommendations
to
the
council,
but
I
think
it
could
go
stronger.
Q
You
know
that
that
would
be.
My
only
regret
is
that
we
didn't
get
this
done
sooner
and
that
we
didn't
go
even
stronger
with
it.
So
I
hope
that
you
all
can
can
learn
from
what
we've
done
and
what
dozens
of
other
communities
have
done
to
create
a
strong
policy
and
and
try
to
get
it
passed
quickly,
so
that
we
can
can
avoid
digging.
Q
You
know
an
even
deeper
hole
in
terms
of
the
number
of
buildings
that
we
collectively
have
to
decarbonize,
so
I
think
I
will
leave
it
there
for
now,
but
I'll
stay
on
the
call.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
or
wants
to
talk
further
and
I'm
also
available
after
tonight.
If
anyone
wants
to
talk
further
about
this.
D
I'm
really
glad
that
you
came
on.
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
hansen.
For
doing
so,
I
did
read
the
seven
days
top
story
about
vermont
gas
and
the
use
of
renewable
gas.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
how
and
I've
actually
been
one
of
the-
I
guess-
few
households
that
have
been
investing
in
that
renewable
gas
so
coming
from
farms
or
landfills,
but
that
it
would
not
necessarily
be
what
we're
using
here
in
vermont.
Q
Yeah
yeah,
no,
that's
a
great
question
and
that's
a
great
point
to
raise,
because
the
burlington
ordinance
does
allow
that
renew
signing
onto
a
contract
for
renewable
natural
gas
for
at
least
20
years.
I
believe,
is
one
way
for
the
building
to
meet
this
requirement
under
the
burlington
ordinance,
and
so
they
could
do
that
through
vermont
gas.
Q
But
it
is
really
important
to
note
that,
as
you
said,
that
buildings
still
going
to
be
receiving
the
same,
the
same
gas
that
any
other
building
next
to
it
would
be
receiving
it's
more
of
a
financial
mechanism
where
their
bill
is
is
or
what
they're
paying
vermont
gas
yeah
their
bill
essentially
is
supporting
these
renewable
natural
gas
systems
in
vermont
and
and
elsewhere
that
are
generating
renewable
natural
gas
and
and
pushing
that
into
the
mix.
So
it's
so
I
think
you
all
should
think
about.
Q
P
So
I
can
address
that
too.
I
guess
we
certainly
could
consider
strengthening
the
ordinance.
The
moment
perspective
would
be
that
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
and
consistency
so
that
builders
developers
have
a
standard
to
meet
rather
than
different
ones,
certainly
in
neighboring
towns
in
terms
of
renewal,
natural
gas.
What
happens?
Is
you
pay
for
them
to
ship
molecules
of
methane
that
happen
to
be
generated
renewably
rather
than
dug
from
the
ground?
You
can't
trace
where
those
molecules
go
right.
P
Q
Yeah,
but
if
I
could
just
say
one
more,
I
mean
I
think
it's
it's
a
policy
trade-off
of
yeah
like
having
that
debate
about
what
this
means
and
what
vermont
gas's
renewable
natural
gas
program
means
and
how
you
all
view
that
as
a
body
and
but
I
think
one
benefit.
Definitely
in
addition
to
the
consistency.
P
A
D
A
Q
Q
Some
places
have
totally
banned
natural
gas
hookups,
so
the
building
couldn't
even
be
connected
to
the
natural
gas
system
and
couldn't
even
take
any
gas.
Ours
was
a
little
different.
Is
that
yeah
we
required
the
primary
heating
system
to
be
renewable,
so
the
majority
of
the
building's
thermal
load
would
have
to
be
renewable,
but
for
backup
situations
or
for
some
of
the
smaller
uses
like
cooking
or
hot
water.
Q
They
would
have
more
flexibility
to
where
they
could
still
use
a
fossil
fuel
system,
but
their
primary,
you
know,
85
of
their
needs,
have
to
be
met.
Renewably,
and
that
really,
I
think,
is
part
of
what
allowed
like.
I
said
you
all
could
go
stronger
than
that.
I
think
the
benefit
to
that
was.
There
was
more
consensus
around
the
policy
and
there
was
less
pushback
against
the
policy.
We
do
your
second
question
of.
Do
we
require?
No,
we
definitely
don't
require
them
to
do
that.
They
can
some,
you
know.
Q
Buildings
can
be
completely
electric
depending
on
what
their
thermal
needs
are
and
how
tightly
insulated
and
how
large
the
buildings
are,
they
can
totally
meet.
They
can
meet
their
entire
needs
with
electricity
or
geothermal
systems,
and
wouldn't
need
to
hook
up
to
the
gas
system
at
all
or
wouldn't
need
to
have
a
backup.
Q
Q
Yeah,
you
know
it's
interesting,
so
it's
interesting
even
before
we
passed
this
ordinance.
There
were
some
major
developments
in
burlington
that
were
that
were
going
this
route,
some
with
backups
some
without,
but
the
thing
is,
is
a
lot
of
developers
aren't
and
that's
really
where
the
industry
is
going.
I
really
believe
that,
especially
now
with
natural
gas
prices
are
even
higher,
so
there's
even
more
of
a
economic
incentive.
A
A
R
Q
Yeah,
so
yes,
it
has
been
helpful
to
have
our
electric
utility,
be
a
department
of
the
city
and
we've
been
able
to
direct
the
utility
to
help
us
craft
this
policy
and
and
implement
it
and
support
developers.
So
that
is
a
resource
we
have.
I
think
you
all
can
benefit
from
a
lot
of
the
work
that
burlington
electric
department
has
done
on
this,
because
you
all
the
information
that
they
did
for
us.
Q
You
all
have
access
to
as
well
and
and
the
the
general
manager
of
burlington
electric
want
he
was
hoping
to
join,
but
he
couldn't
tonight
but
he's
a
he
told
me
to
let
you
all
know
that
he's
more
than
happy
to
speak
to
anyone
who
wants
to
learn
more
about
it.
So
you
do
have
that
resource,
but
yeah.
You
also
have
you
have
green
mountain
power
as
a
resource,
efficiency,
vermont
and
even
even
vermont
gas,
who
are
all
involved
in
incentivizing
customers
to
to
make
the
switch
and
incentivizing
new
construction
to
be
renewable.
P
Ellen
so
jack
already
alluded
to
this,
but
on
on
the
next
page,
in
addition
to
burlington,
we
we
wouldn't
be
alone.
This
effort
has
been
pioneered
now
by
77
at
last
count:
cities,
towns
and
now
state
across
the
country,
including
new
york
city,
the
state
of
washington,
I
hadn't,
seen
massachusetts.
Maybe
that's
new
jack
jack
mentioned
that
boulder
denver.
P
I
just
saw
a
great
article
about
about
maine,
also
in
canada,
montreal
quebec,
so
this
is
becoming
a
trend
to
have
basically
natural
gas
bends,
which
is
which
is
more
than
the
ordinance
that
we're
recommending
tonight,
but
perhaps
in
practice.
If
the
buildings
are
all
electric,
it's
the
it
becomes
the
same
thing
so.
P
We're
recommending
that
this
become
effective
for
permits
issued
on
or
after
jan
1
2023
construction
permits
and
we're
recommending
to
include
a
waiver
similar
to
the
one
that
jack
mentioned.
If
the
applicant
can
prove
that
the
system
is
more
expensive
than
a
than
a
foss
fuel
system.
I
will
note
that's
a
the
exemption.
It
has
is
well
crafted
and
includes
a
hundred
dollar
per
ton
cost
for
the
greenhouse
gases
that
would
be
emitted,
and
I
would
recommend
we.
We
follow
the
same
format.
P
If
we
can
flip
to
the
last
page
of
the
main
presentation,
then
we've
put
a
lot
into
the
appendix
and
I'm
happy
to
go
through
that
in
as
much
detail
as
you
all
would
like.
We
have
a
lot
of
research
on
on
the
costs
to
construct
and
operate,
including
some
national
associations
rmi
that
have
done
the
research,
including
a
consultant
for
burlington
electric
that
has
done.
P
Research
and
all
the
studies
seem
to
conclude
that
it's
about
a
push
to
construct,
maybe
a
little
more
sometimes
for
electric,
a
little
more
for
fossil
fuel,
but
about
a
push
and
mostly
a
push
to
operate.
The
burlington
electric
study
did
show
in
a
particular
use
case
for
multi-family
multi-metered,
that
it
was
50
percent
more
expensive
to
operate
an
electric
building
than
a
natural
gas
building.
P
P
It's
pretty
close
and
obviously
we
can't
project
exactly
where
fossil
fuel
prices
are
going
to
go
or
electric
prices
are
going
to
go,
but
it's
kind
of
close
enough
that
we
think
it's
it's
compelling
at
this
point
to
to
really
move
to
a
system
that
doesn't
have
fossil
fuels
for
for
buildings,
so
we
did
reach
out
with
paul
paul
connor
reached
out
to
the
city
attorney
who
well
andrew.
Thank
you.
P
P
P
P
You
know
documentation
showing
the
rebates
that
they
got
from
efficiency,
vermont
or
whatever
other
proof
the
drb
may
require
and
then
similar
to
the
stretch
code.
When
the
building's
done
they
can
self-certify
that
they
have
in
fact
done
it,
which
is
required
now
under
the
stretch
code,
and
that
could
be
checked
if
we
get
the
piece
of
paper
or
not.
P
P
It's
actually
not
that
hard
in
most
cases
to
see
whether
they've
done
what
they're
supposed
to
do,
whereas
the
stretch
code
is
probably
a
lot
harder
to
figure
out,
and
you
know
we-
we
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
inspection
or
compliance
system
more
generally,
so
that
that
really
is
the
conclusion.
The
main
presentation,
one
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
say
is
that
burlington
also
adopted
a
charter
change
and
some
people
confused
this
ordinance
with
the
charter
change
the
charter
change,
as,
as
I
understand
it,
relates
to
existing
construction.
P
P
So
with
that
again,
I'm
happy
there's
lots
of
information
in
the
appendix
to
find
some
of
the
terms.
What
what
is
the
heat
pump
and
these
studies,
and
what
do
they
mean
and
how
do
you
electrify
and
all
that
and
I'm
happy
to
go
through
that
or
I'm
happy
to
just
leave
it
for
your
reading
and
as
as
as
you'd
like
to
do-
and
I
know
jack's
still
on
the
line-
if
there
are
other
questions
about,
you
know
the
rest
of
the
presentation,
so
I'll
stop
right.
There.
F
C
Have
some
observations
first
right
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
we
are
lucky
to
be
on
the
gmp
grid
compared
to
bed.
Bed
is
a
great
organization
right,
but
just
to
be
clear.
Bed
has
combustion
as
a
source
for
almost
40
percent
of
their
electricity
because
of
the
mcneil
all
right,
I'm
not
making
a
judgment.
I'm
just
saying
you
want
to
eliminate
combustion
as
a
source
of
electricity
for
for
for
basically
you
know
any
heating,
or
you
know
that
goes.
P
P
C
So
my
I
support
this
concept
that
just
there
are
a
lot
of
things
questions
we
have
to
answer
and
and
steps
that
we
have
to
take
to
get
to
the
point
like
in
my
mind,
you
know.
Switching
to
electric,
you
know
for
split
systems
right
for
all,
electric
for
heating
and
cooling
is
great,
but
I
got
to
have
two
other
things.
At
the
same
time
like
for
new
construction,
I
have
to
have
you
know
an
energy
building
code
that
exceeds
the
stretch
energy
code,
because
I
want
a
near
a
near
net.
P
I
love
the
way
you're
thinking
tim,
so
I
I
think
that
the
studies
that
burundi
electric
did
and
rmi
had
a
building
envelope
that
was
probably
actually
not
even
as
good
as
what
our
residential
energy
stretch
code
requires
today.
I
I
believe
that
if
you
satisfy
the
stretch
code,
you're
well
on
your
way,
you're
in
really
good
spot
to
having
all
electric
heating
in
terms
of
solar
yeah.
Let's
do
it,
I
mean,
let's
require
solar.
We
have
two
properties.
C
P
C
C
I
I
don't,
I
don't
know
just
these
are.
These
are
the
things
that
that
wrankle
me
right
is
the
fact
that
you
know
we.
We
don't
have
super
efficient
envelopes
that
we
want
to
propose
to
heat
and
cool,
only
electricity,
and
we
have
free
solar
power
hitting
the
ground
around
this
entity,
right
which
those
three
things
bother
me.
C
P
C
The
last
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
those
residential
energy
specifications
are
all
self-reported
by
the
developers
themselves
by
the
builders
right
and
we
really
need
an
entity,
that's
independent,
to
make
that
confirmation
that
it
was
built
the
way
it
was
supposed
to
be
and
meets
the
code.
The
test.
C
To
bore
you
with
my
story
right,
you
know,
but
I
know
that
there's
construction
going
on
here-
that's
like
it's
close,
but
you
know
when
I
attended
that
you
know
seminar
bed
like
five
years
ago,
I
heard
developers
scream
about
the
cost
of
having
two
blower
door
tests
done,
because
they
didn't
think
they
could
find
anybody
to
do
the
blower
door
test.
Right,
maybe
that's
changed,
I
hope,
but
we
need
those
tests
done
on
every
building.
That's
made
not
multiple
residential
units,
but
every
residential
unit.
You
know
to
ensure
that
it
meets
the
spec.
C
I
A
comment,
great
presentation,
thank
you,
andrew.
The
reason
why
mini
splits
are
so
popular
and-
and
I
know
the
men
and
women
that
installed
them-
is
because
we're
predominantly
hydronically
heated
boilers
in
the
basement,
copper
pipes
through
the
house
moving
water
through
baseboard
radiation-
that's
the
case
in
most
of
new
england,
northern
new
england
and
in
old
housing
stock
in
northern
new
york
as
well.
I
That's
why
we're
seeing
the
mini
splits?
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
homes
in
vermont
and
new
hampshire
in
maine
that
have
central
ducted
systems
with
furnaces.
Less
efficient
boilers
are
better,
but
you
don't
have
the
central
air.
That's
changing
right,
new
construction,
they
want
central
air,
they
don't
want
a
window
rattler
and
the
mini
splits.
You
could
say:
there's
some
aesthetic,
not
appeal
to
have
them.
I
So,
however,
there
are
hybrid
systems
that
look
just
like
a
condenser
that
you'd
have
outside
your
house
on
a
pad
that
provide
cold
air
in
the
summer
and
warm
air
in
the
winter
hybrid
models
that
work
well
with
a
furnace
that
can
burn
natural
gas
propane
oil
wood
that
can
provide
that
heat
during
the
coldest
month
of
january.
When
the
grid
is
peaking
and
we're
relying
on
coal
to
power,
our
electric
grid
from
iceland,
new
england,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
you
can
go,
there's
a
lot
of
different
options.
I
I
appreciate
the
need
for
consistency,
andrew.
That
was
a
really
important
message
that
you
delivered
between
the
two
municipalities
and
perhaps
that's
a
message
we
can
spread
throughout
vermont
because
councillor
barrett's
point
regarding
enforcement
at
the
same
time
that
we're
talking
about
putting
in
specialized
codes
for
building
in
south
burlington
they're,
also
talking
about
updating
the
commercial
building
energy
standard
and
the
residential
building
energy
standard
in
the
state
of
vermont.
So
when
the
commercial
building
energy
standard
seabees
are
actively
enforced
by
the
department
of
public
service
here
in
vermont,
the
rbs
are
not.
I
D
I
would
just
just
say,
with
regard
to
geothermal,
that
you
know
we
do
have
cloudy
days
here.
So
geothermal
is
a
more
steady
supply,
especially
for
the
heating
of
homes
and
the
cooling
of
homes,
and
I
don't
know
the
fine
points
of
the
financing
I
I
am
also
on
board
for
an
inspections
officer.
I
think
it's.
The
time
is
has
come
that
we
just
have
to
take.
Take
that
bite
out
of
the
apple
with
regard
to
electrifying.
Have
you
thought
about
other
appliances?
Besides
the
water
heaters.
P
P
J
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
very
comfortable
with
going
down
the
path
as
burlington
and
great
presentation,
for
all
the
reasons
that
you
made,
and
I
also
feel
very
comfortable
with
that
self-certification
process
that
you
articulated
the
question
I'm
going
to
have
for
staff,
which
picks
up
on
the
men.
The
memo
in
our
packet
is:
how
much
can
we
separate
the
enforcement
conversation
from
moving
forward
with
the
burlington
model,
with
the
self-certification
process
to
at
least
allow
maybe
for
a
different
timeline
on
the
enforcement
discussion?
J
If
there
is
a
way
to
separate
those
two,
because
I
know
that
has
budgetary
implications
and
that
would
maybe
look
out
until
the
budget
passed
in
march
for
the
next
coming
year.
So
that's
a
question
I
have
and
then
on
the
hot
water
heaters.
I'd
love
to
hear
more,
and
since
I
understand
from
your
presentation-
and
maybe
I
didn't
hear
it
correctly-
that
wasn't
part
of
the
burlington
ordinance.
J
A
G
G
I
want
to
be
really
clear
because
I
feel
like
there
is
a
culture
in
this
community
of
a
perception
that
the
administration
is
not
supporting
some
of
the
advocates
interests
and
is
using
bureaucratic
process
to
slow
down
efforts,
and
I
wa-
and
I
know
andrew
that's
not
your
perspective,
but
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
that
is
not
my
perspective.
That
is
not
my
intent
with
the
memo
I
provided.
G
G
It
is
perpetuating
a
problem
within
our
existing
ordinances
around
other
things.
Right
now
we
see
that
as
other
counselors.
I've
mentioned
with
a
stretch
code.
We
see
that
with
inclusionary
zoning,
that's
not
even
to
mention
anything
we
might
do
in
the
future,
around
short-term,
rentals
or
rental
registries
and.
G
So
my
comment
was,
you
know,
I'm
ultimately
the
one
accountable
for
implementing
the
ordinances
you
present,
and
I
would
suggest
that
a
good
governance
model
requires
us
to
both
think
through
not
only
budgetarily
what
that
would
require
to
bring
those
resources
to
bear,
but
also
from
a
staffing
perspective,
and
that
does
have
a
long
timeline.
So
certainly
you
can
adopt
an
ordinance
that
has
no
enforcement.
You
can
adopt
an
ordinance
that
is
self-certification
only
as
your
professional
manager.
G
I
recommend
doing
that
in
line
with
bringing
the
resources
to
bear
for
us
to
do
good
governance,
effective
enforcement
and
education,
and
with
that-
and
I
will
finally
final
comment
and
jack
thanks
again
for
being
here
in
this
particular
case.
Burlington
south
burlington
are
very
different.
We
have
no
director
of
permitting
inspection.
We
have
no
bed
for
education.
There
is
a
lot
of
human
infrastructure
in
burlington
that
exists
to
move
this
kind
of
ordinance
forward
that
we
just
don't
have
here.
So
I
will
leave
it
at
that
and
okay.
A
The
good
news
is,
we
only
have
half
the
people
to
educate,
so
that
makes
it
a
little
easier
and
I
just
to
follow
up
jesse.
So
am
I
hearing
you
say
that
you
wouldn't,
if
the
council
decides
to
as
a
first
step,
go
forward
with
the
ordinance
with
a
self
certification,
but
also
the
administration,
in
the
terms
of
the
budgeting,
to
develop
a
more
robust.
A
Staffing
to
determine
whether
rules
are
followed,
that
that
would
be
acceptable,
or
are
you
saying
they
really
need
to
be
in
lockstep
I
mean
I
I'm
kind
of
with
tom.
I
I
personally
would
be
willing
to
sort
of
do
it
a
two-step
here,
get
it
going
and
then
develop
the
methodology
and
the
personnel
to
really
enforce
it.
G
I
will
always
advocate
for
the
good
governance
for
the
enforcement
education
to
be
tied
to
the
ordinance.
Having
said
that,
it
is
also
my
job
to
implement
the
ordinance
and
the
policy
that
you
all
set.
So
if
your
policy
direction
is
implement
an
ordinance
with
self-serving
certification
enforcement,
we
will
absolutely
go
and
craft
that,
for
you,
if
your
direction
is
look
at
a
budgetary
recommendation
for
fy24,
we
will
craft
that,
for
you.
A
H
A
resident
of
south
burlington-
and
I
hate
extemporaneous
speaking
so
I'm
a
physician
over
at
the
medical
center,
and
I
just
heard
some
discussion
about
the
bureaucratic
hurdles
that
might
come
into
play
in
trying
to
implement
an
ordinance
like
this.
So
I'd
like
to
just
bring
us
back
to
why
we're
talking
about
this?
H
The
not
only
is
the
ipcc
calling
this
an
emergency,
the
world
health
organization,
the
lancet
commission
on
climate
change.
Has
they
both
referred
to
this
as
the
biggest
human
health
crisis
we're
facing
in
the
21st
century?
So
I
just
want
to.
I
just
want
to
bring
us
back
to
the
foundational
argument
for
doing
this
as
quickly
as
we
possibly
can.
If
there
are
bureaucratic
hurdles.
Other
numerous
other
cities,
a
multitude
of
other
cities,
small
and
large
across
the
country,
have
overcome
those
hurdles
and
have
brought
this
to
you
know
into
into
policy.
H
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
come
up
here
as
an
immensely
concerned
citizen
that
for
decades,
humanity
has
been
dragging
its
feet
on
this
problem.
We
have
no
more
time
to
drag
our
feet.
It's
that
simple.
It
has
to
get
done
and
it
has
to
get
done
now.
There
are
people
in
the
west
on
the
west
coast
in
the
the
pacific
northwest
who
are
either
baking
in
the
heat.
There
are
people
in
kentucky
who
are
drowning
in
floods,
literally
drowning
in
floods.
H
There
are
there's
a
multi-year
drought
in
somalia
caused
by
fossil
fuel
emissions
from
from
developed
nations
like
ours.
We
are
the
number
one
emitters.
China
makes
more
emissions
now,
but
per
capita.
We
remain
the
top
emitters.
So
I
know
that
everyone
in
this
room
already
knows
these
arguments,
but
but
when
we
start
to
talk
about,
how
are
we
going
to
do
this?
What
are
we
going
to
do?
We
got
it?
We
got
to
put
on
the
brakes
a
little
bit
here.
I
just
wanna
come
up
here
and
and
just
implore
you
to
do
this.
H
We
do
not
have
time
to
to
put
our
foot
on
the
brakes
anymore.
That
time
was
40
years
ago
when
we
had
to
take
our
foot
off
the
brakes,
and
here
we
are
in
2022
and
we're
still
talking
about
whoa
whoa.
We
got
to
slow
down
a
little
bit
and
not
and
not
do
this
too
quickly,
so
I'm
I'm
sorry
to
come
up
here
with
so
much
passion,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
word
for
it
is.
Some
might
call
it
hyperbole,
but
it's
not
hyperbole.
H
A
I
just
want
to
perhaps
correct
some
of
your
phraseology.
I
I
understand
you
see
this
the
comments
from
the
city
manager
as
saying
there
are
costs
and
potentially
a
real
need
for,
and
I
think
the
council
agrees
for
any
number
of
issues
that
it
is
really
important
to
have
this
a
structure
that
ensures
that
rules
are
followed,
and
I
think
that's
good
government
and-
and
I
I
think
jessie
would
be
remiss
to
say-
oh,
go
ahead
and
do
whatever
you
want
and
we
won't
worry
about
enforcing
anything.
A
I
think
what
she's
saying
is
that
we
can
discuss
how
you
make
this
really
happen
effectively,
how
you
put
in
place
and-
and
I
don't
see
it
as
a
hurdle,
but
we
certainly
need
the
capacity
in
planning
and
zoning
to
support
the
developers
when
they
come
in
and
say
so.
What
does
this
mean?
How
do
I
do
this?
What
are
the
recommendations,
at
least
in
the
beginning?
H
I
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more.
I
I
just
hate
to
see
us
and
I
don't
want
to
dominate
here,
but
I
hate
to
see
this
city
like
so
many
other
cities
fall
into
the
trap
of
delaying
because
of
those
you
know
delaying
unnecessarily,
because
for
some,
for
whatever
reason,
whomever's
interests
are,
are
challenged
and
and
made
more
complicated
because
of
those
bureaucratic
hurdles.
Okay,
well,.
I
I'm
sorry,
I
just
have
to
interject
sure
what
you
said
was
absolutely
appropriate
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
here
at
6
30,
we
heard
about
the
troubles
in
replacing
our
one
code
enforcement
officer,
delilah
hall,
who
left
for
another
job
good
for
her.
She
was
a
wonderful
staffer
and
our
inability
to
find
someone
to
take
her
position
because
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
in
our
community
paul,
connor,
marla
keane,
are
holding
it
together
and
they're
doing
an
amazing
job.
I
I
N
N
N
N
N
Environment,
if
you
like
or
view
the
national
oceanic
and
atmospheric
administration
runs
a
national,
integrated
drought
monitoring
system
and
their
current
monitoring
for
vermont
for
the
month
of
june,
they
say:
95
vermont
is
abnormally
dry,
which
means
crop
growth
is
stunted
and
a
few
and
lawns
brown
and
gardens
wilt,
and
you
know
it.
Those
of
you
who
have
gardens
and
vegetable
gardens
are
known
and
36
percent
of
vermont
is
in
moderate
drought
conditions
which,
in
you,
results
in
increased
irrigation
use
of
water
and
a
few
other
things.
N
A
M
M
One
of
the
biggest
problems
is
not
just.
We
burn
it
and
we
release
co2,
which
is
a
problem
with
anything
we
burn,
but
methane
is
25
25
times
more
potent
a
greenhouse
gas
and
as
somebody
who
did
20
years
as
a
chemical
engineer
in
oil
refining
in
the
production,
storage,
distribution,
transportation
of
compressed
gases,
there's
a
lot
of
losses
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
try
and
chip
away
at
the
need
for
natural
iron.
M
M
If
we
don't
move
in
that
direction,
eventually,
we'll
figure
that
out
and
fossil
fuel
prices
necessarily
are
going
to
go
up
and
that's
part
of
what
we're
seeing
now
with
gasoline
is
refiners,
don't
want
to
invest
in
the
plants
they
have
because
they
know
they're
not
going
to
get
a
30
or
40
year,
return,
so
they're
running
on
the
equipment
that
they
have
it's
more
expensive,
it's
more
prone
to
break,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
supplies
are
low.
It's
really
pretty
standard
economic
stuff.
So
we
really
this.
This
is
really
low
hanging
fruit.
M
I
love
some
of
the
stuff.
You
were
suggesting
with
solar
panels
and
things
like
that:
energy
efficiency.
We
we
need
to
be
moving
in
that
direction
because
we
have
to,
as
somebody
else
mentioned.
It
seems
like
such
a
huge
problem
that
we
can't
get
our
arms
around
and
it
is.
But
there
are
things
we
can
do
locally
and
we
have
to
do
the
things
we
can
do
locally,
because
we
can't
wait.
The
feds
are
not
going
to
come
in
and
bail
us
out.
M
A
S
S
I
live
in
a
decarbonized
house,
that's
been
decarbonized
for
over
five
years.
We
have
no
fossil
fuels
used
in
this
house.
I
never
thought
I
would
say
this
in
my
life,
but
we
love
our
induction
stove.
I
like
it
better
than
the
gas
stove
that
I
cooked
on
for
30
years.
The
technology
is
totally
different.
S
We
need
to
act
like
our
life,
like
all
of
our
lives,
depend
on
it
because
they
do,
and
maybe
I'm
old
enough
that
my
life
doesn't
depend
on
it,
but
our
kids
and
grandkids
they
sure
do
so.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
taking
this
so
seriously
and
say:
please
act
as
a
builder.
Self-Certification
works.
S
A
T
A
T
I've
spent
all
of
my
lifetime
almost
all
of
my
lifetime
as
a
resident
of
vermont,
that's
the
last
40
some
years
in
environmental
issues
of
all
kinds
and
and
on
many
issues.
I've
spent
hours
a
day
months
at
a
time
even
almost
lost
my
job
at
ibm
over
it,
which
didn't
change.
My
behavior
and
I
just
have
to
simply
say
that
what
we're
dealing
with
right
here
and
right
now
is
without
question
by
far
the
most
important
thing
that
I've
ever
confronted
in
all
the
issues
I've
worked
on.
This
is
planetary.
T
T
Now
I'm
going
to
get
into
a
little
bit
of
detail
on
the
plan,
which
I
think
is
excellent
and
I
apologize
for
for
my
two
posts,
one
of
which
had
a
lot
of
spelling
errors,
but
my
vision
isn't
the
greatest
I'm
going
to
just
go
down
through
the
sections
of
the
plan
buildings
in
thermal
they're
high
the
high
input
actions
there
for
a
2030
target.
I
think
they're
absolutely
needed.
A
A
T
A
T
U
U
We
we
don't
enforce
all
most
of
our
ordinances,
it
hasn't
stopped
us
from
from
continuing
them
and
when
we
don't
stop
the
licensing
of
dogs
and
cats,
because
we
can't
enforce
it,
you
know
we
don't
take
down,
stop
signs
because
people
drive
through
them
or
red
lights.
Most
people
obey
the
laws,
it's
obviously
a
few
that
do
not,
but
we
should
not
be.
U
We
should
not
stop
this
kind
of
action
because
we
don't
have
enforcement
of
all
of
the
ordinance
to
to
to
put
the
brakes
on
until
we
get
enforcement.
This
is
not
the
one
we
have
momentum.
Your
climate
action
task
force
has
done
terrific
work.
I
think
about
metaphors.
All
the
time,
and
the
metaphor
comes
to
my
mind.
Right
now
is
you
know,
don't
stop
the
parade
to
bend
over
and
pick
up
a
penny.
You
know
or
the
old
one.
U
I
I
say
a
lot
but
really
impacts
this
one
is,
you
know,
don't
rearrange
the
deck
chairs
as
the
titanic
is
going
down.
You
know
we
are
in
a
code
red
situation.
Dramatic
action
is
needed
at
the
local
level.
You
have
the
power
to
do
that.
You
have
a
task
force
that
did
their
homework.
Did
the
research
provided
you
with
a
way
to
do
it?
They
other
municipalities
have
done
it.
U
Please
please
do
it
and
do
it
with
all
do
haste
act
as
if
your
life
is
at
stake,
as
someone
else
said
because
it
is-
and
the
second
point
is
I
think
jack
had
mentioned-
that
in
burlington
they've
been
working
on
this
for
a
while
it
took
a
while
to
to
come
to
fruition.
I
want
to
remind
you
all
that
in
in
my
recollection
that
we
started
talking
about
this,
I
think
it
was
in
2013
2014..
U
I
was
not
on
the
energy
committee,
but
I
would
attend
their
meetings
and
go
with
them
to
the
planning
commission
when
they
were
trying
to
get
an
ldr
put
in
place,
and
that
was
you
know
initially
to
require
renewable
energy
sources
and
then
the
infrastructure
for
renewable
energy
sources
and
then
orientation
or
orienting
the
rooftop
for
solar,
none
of
which
passed
by
the
way.
But
this
has
been
talked
about
and
advocated
for
for
many
years.
U
V
Hello,
thank
you.
This
won't
take
long.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
the
council
for
all
the
work
and
for
helping
this
to
to
happen.
I
hope
you
support
it
and
I
want
to
thank
the
the
task
force
for
all
of
their
hard
work
and
I
think
you
guys
did
a
great
job
and
I
hope
this
passes.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
F
D
D
We
heard
the
issue
of
you
know
finding
the
difficulty
of
finding
you
know
a
possible
candidate
for
for
this
position.
I
I'd
just
like
us
to
kind
of
have
an
idea.
What
would
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
have
you
know
our
inspections
officer
be
compliant
with
the
vermont
statute?
That
would
allow
us
to
do
these
kinds
of
inspections
and
how
difficult
would
it
be
to
retool
our
our
inspections,
team
and
within
the
fire
department?
D
A
A
Whatever
issues
there
are
in
terms
of
enforcement
and
come
back
with
a
plan,
she
will
have
chatted
with
the
fire
chief
and-
and
I
think
all
those
questions
will
get
answered
and
if
they
don't,
we
can
ask
them
then,
but
I
think
it's
a
little
premature
now
to
go
off
on
that
tangent.
I
don't
mean
to
cut
you
off
no.
A
P
I
want
one
closing
comment:
thanks
helen
really
appreciate
this
great
discussion
again.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
Someone
mentioned
to
me
the
other
day,
something
called
the
first
follower
principle
which
was
new
to
me.
I
don't
know
if
folks,
the
first
follower
first
follower
principle,
so
I
guess
in
twitter.
I
would
have
thought
the
first
adopter
is
really
important
and
it's
the
person
that
kind
of
starts
to
snowball,
but
that's
not
the
science.
P
The
science
is
is
the
first
person
that
follows
the
first
adopter
and
the
the
metaphor
is:
someone
starts
dancing
by
themself
and
it's
only
until
the
second
person
joins
that
a
crowd,
and
why
is
that
important?
It's
important
because
we
all
know
this
is
a
crisis.
We
all
know
we
have
to
do
something
if
it's
just
south
burlington
or
just
burlington.
P
Of
course
we
can't
solve
it.
The
only
way
it
can
be
solved
is
if
people
start
following
the
first
follower
right,
snowballs,
and
so
it's
so
important
for
us
to
be
the
first
follower
to
start
that
that
snowball
to
to
make
this
something
that
can
be
really
really
meaningful.
And
so
I
urge
you
to
make
it
really
meaningful.
A
I
D
Our
priorities
conversation
later
on,
I
really
would
like
to
hear
from
our
city
attorney
and
and
our
fire
chief,
because
I
think
it
is
a
question
that
we're
going
to
be
seeing
in
just
an
hour
and
a
half,
and
I
don't
know
how
late
they're
going
to
be
here,
and
I
do
think
it's
helpful
for
us
to
know.
You
know
whether
that
what
is
it
a
bike
rack
where
we
had
three
counselors
vote
on
those
things.
D
Whether
or
not
this
is
you
know
not
necessarily
low
hanging
fruit,
but
at
least
within
our
grass
right-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
too
big
of
an
ask,
could
they
say
it
themselves
or
if
it's
something
that
they
could
speak
to
it?
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
with
regard
to
my
approach
to
that
that
item
on
our
agenda.
J
If
I
may,
yes,
I'm
not
opposed
to
that
either
and
I
love
extra
meetings.
So
if
you
want
to
maybe
have
an
extra
meeting
between
now
and
the
next
time
we
meet
to
bring
them
back
to
have
those
discussions,
I'm
just
mindful
of
the
agenda
and
we're
already
a
half
an
hour
late.
So
I'm
definitely
supportive
of
expanding
this
conversation,
I
would
just
say:
maybe
we
should
be
respectful
of
our
other
speakers
and
schedule.
An
extra
meeting.
A
A
G
A
A
A
W
Oh,
I
watched
it.
It
was
good
there
we
go,
that's
better.
So
thank
you
again.
My
name
is
sarah
reeves,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
chindin,
solid
waste
district,
and
I'm
here
with
your
venerable
representative
for
many
years,
paul
stabler,
and
we
would
like
to
talk
with
you
about
a
bond
initiative
that
we
have
planned
for
this
november
for
the
general
election.
We
are
seeking
to
build
a
new
materials
recovery
facility,
and
we
want
to
talk
to
you
more
about
that
in
some
detail.
W
W
W
We
are
a
municipal
district,
so
we
are
similar
to
a
water
district
or
of
the
regional
district,
and
we
are
charged
with
managing
solids
generated
in
chittenden
county
in
a
environmentally
friendly,
economical
efficient
way.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
replace
our
inefficient,
not
so
economical
30
year
old
materials
recovery
facility,
and
that
is
where
all
of
the
blue
bin
material
that
is
recycled
by
chittenden
county
residents
and
businesses
goes
to
be
sorted
and
processed.
W
Very
good,
oh
good,
good!
Thank
you.
It
is
only
about
two
minutes,
but
in
the
interest
of
time,
so
these
are
again
a
list
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
do
some
of
the
services
that
we
provide
and
we
provide
these
services
at
no
cost
to
any
of
our
member
towns
or
cities.
We
don't
send
you
a
bill
and
it
is
similarly
not
our
intention
to
send
you
a
bill
for
this
murph.
W
So
what
is
a
murph
it
rhymes
with
surf
or
if
you're
old,
like
me,
smurf,
it
is
a
building
where
the
blue
bin
materials
go
and
then
we
sort
them
into
different
commodities
that
are
then
sold
on
the
open
market,
so
plastic,
water
bottles,
laundry,
jugs,
milk
bottles,
cardboard,
paper,
etc.
So
we
process
things
that
are
both
2d
so
flat
and
3d,
which
have
some
shape
to
them.
We
do
process
any
single
stream,
which
means
you
don't
have
to
separate
your
paper
from
your
bottles
and
cans.
W
So
I
think
I've
talked
with
you
all
about
our
current
limitations.
The
facility
was
built
back
in
1993
and
it
was
sized
for
about
25
000
tons
of
material.
We
are
now
processing
closer
to
47,
000,
tons
of
material
and
the
types
of
material
have
changed
dramatically
over
the
years.
As
you
can
imagine,
the
types
of
packaging
has
changed
in
the
past
30
years
and
we
are
unable
to
grow
at
the
current
footprint.
We
simply
can't
go
up
or
out
in
any
direction,
so
we
are
hamstrung.
W
It's
about
a
34,
000
square
foot,
building
and
you'll,
see
in
a
moment
where
that
building
fits
in
our
proposed
new
building
thanks.
Please
and
again,
we
are
stuck
in
the
20th
century.
We
are
one
of
the
the
few
remaining
murphs
in
the
country
who
are
managing
this
type
of
material
that
are
still
hand
sorting
containers.
W
The
images
you're
seeing
now
are
at
the
current
facility
so
on
the
the
photo
with
the
the
tip
floor,
where
the
materials
go
in
from
the
haulers
in
the
upper
right
hand,
side
of
that
photo
that
is
material,
that's
being
pushed
into
an
area
for
sorting
the
middle
part
is
material,
as
it's
spilling
back
out
onto
that
tip
floor.
That
has
been
sorted
again,
inefficient.
W
W
And
this
is
the
very
rough
conceptual
design
we
are
intending
to
build
this
facility
on
property
owned
by
cswd
in
williston,
and
it's
not
showing
on
that
slide,
but
the
middle
part
of
the
the
yellowish
building.
Thank
you
over
to
the
the
right
there.
The
the
the
guts
of
that
is
where
the
new
the
old
building
will
would
fit
in
the
new
building.
So
essentially
we're
looking
to
almost
double
the
square
footage,
and
that
will
allow
us
to
have
additional
room
for
again
storing
all
of
those
bales
indoors.
W
We
would
never
have
to
store
anything
outside
and
we'd
have
plenty
of
room
for
the
material
coming
inbound
to
where,
if
there's
an
issue
or
problem,
we
have
more
space
and
more
ability
to
store
materials
coming
in
the
door
right
now.
We
only
have
enough
space
to
store
for
about
a
day
and
a
half
of
material
before
we
start
to
spill
outside
and
that's
a
problem
in
the
event
that
one
of
our
any
of
our
equipment
goes
down,
particularly
the
baler,
which
makes
those
nice
big
cubes
that
goes
down
the
entire
planet
shuts
down.
W
So
this
is
again,
you
know
talking
a
little
bit
about
the
vision
of
of
the
new
murph
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
continues
to
be
a
municipal
option.
The
other
murph
in
the
state
is
owned
by
casella,
so
we
currently
have
a
private
and
a
public
facility.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there
continues
to
be
a
public
facility.
W
We
don't
have
a
profit
motive,
so
we
are
able
to
really
take
a
look
at
the
fees
that
we
charge
and
make
sure
that
we
are
only
charging
what
is
needed
for
cswd
to
cover
the
costs
of
processing
and
cover
our
operat,
our
operational
and
our
capital
needs.
So
that
means
that
we
can
basically
float
a
moderated
fee
for
much
longer
than
a
private
facility
could,
because
they
have
to
respond
to
the
markets
up
and
down.
We
can
also
take
chances
on
materials
that
may
not
be
have
that
extra
profit
in
line.
W
W
We
need
space
to
to
lengthen
out
those
those
runs
of
material
flowing
through
the
facility
so
that
we
can
properly
sort
everything
and
then
we
can
put
in
some
technology
that
you'll
see
here
next
slide.
Please
jesse-
and
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
so
adding
long,
long,
conveyor
belts,
adding
sorting
stations
that
where
the
employees
will
not
be
hand
sorting
anything,
the
machines
will
do
all
of
that
they
will
become
quality
control
experts.
W
So.
This
will
also
allow
us
to
expand
for
the
in
the
future.
So
this
facility
will
allow
us
to
add
up
to
40
percent
more
capacity.
So
again,
as
packaging
changes
as
population
grows
and
more
potentially
more
material
is
generated,
we'll
have
the
flexibility
to
be
able
to
accept
much
more
material
as
we
go
forward
and
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
30
to
40
year
infrastructure
build.
So
this
is
really
for
the
next
several
generations
of
vermonters
thanks,
please,
as
we
talked
about
again
keeping,
you
know
more
materials
out
of
the
landfill.
W
We
just
have
that
one.
So
it's
really
imperative
that
we
keep
as
much
material
out
as
we
can.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
also
getting
materials
to
back
into
the
system
and
closing
that
loop
and
continue
to
support
the
indus,
the
industry
and
it
you
were
talking
about
energy
efficiency
and-
and
you
know,
recycling
really
does
help
vermonters
to
reduce
that
carbon
footprint
right.
So
it's
60
plus
ish
miles
up
to
to
coventry.
It's
you
know
right
down
the
street
here.
W
We
want
to
keep
the
processing
of
people's
ways
as
close
to
the
source
of
generation
as
possible,
so
that
we
don't
again
exacerbate
that
that
carbon
footprint-
and
you
know
this-
will
allow
us
to
again
process
up
to
about
70
000
tons
just
on
one
shift.
A
year
of
recycling
bless
you
and
that
70
000
is
the
equivalent
of
taking
50
to
over
52
000
cars
off
the
road.
So
it
really
does
have
an
impact
of
the
more
that
you
can
put
into
that
blue
bin
and
that
can
be
sorted
properly.
W
So
if
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
improved
working
conditions
and
again,
we
will
not
be
losing
any
jobs
with
this
new
facility.
In
fact,
they
will
just
be
coming
better
jobs.
There
will
be
more
highly
skilled
jobs
versus
just
sorting
positions,
so
I
think
that's
a
bonus
as
well
and
then
just
creating
that
lighter
brighter
area,
better
ventilated
facility,
which
is
critically
important
as
we
go
forward
next
and
there's
again
the
the
contrast
between
what
is
and
what
we
want
it
to
be.
W
So
what
is
is
you
know
shoulder
to
shoulder
hand
sorting
of
containers
very
inefficient.
Many
of
the
containers
have
to
come
back
again
and
be
sorted
twice,
because
there's
simply
not
enough
room.
That
is
the
extent
of
the
belt
there's
not
enough
room
for
the
soldiers
to
physically
grab
everything
and
on
the
photo
on
the
right
you're,
seeing
the
long
run
of
conveyors.
That
will
allow
us
to
to
have
plenty
of
time
for
the
machines
to
do
their
job
and
then
for
people
to
be
quality,
control.
Experts.
W
W
Most
of
that
will
be
through
bonding.
So
we
are
working
with
the
bond
bank
and
intend
to
bond
for
about
16
million
dollars.
We
also
have
the
opportunity
for
a
zero
interest.
Municipal
loan
from
closed
loop
partners
in
the
amount
of
6
million,
we
will
receive
a
grant
from
the
recycling
partnership
for
about
five
hundred
thousand.
We
do
have
cash
on
hand
in
capital
reserves
to
put
another
three
and
a
half
million
in
of
our
own
money,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
the
epa's
infrastructure
grant
program
will
help
to
offset
some
of
that
cash
on
hand.
W
We've
started
to
talk
about
it
on
our
social
media
and
we've
sent
down
some
postcards
to
eligible
voters
already,
and
then
we
will,
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
really
be
asking
for
that
vote
and
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
trickier
situation.
This
year
we
are
going
to
have
to
instruct
folks
on
how
to
request
our
ballot,
because
it
will
not
be
mailed
out
with
the
general.
W
Unfortunately,
we
talked
to
the
secretary
of
state's
office
and
they
are
not
allowed
to
mail,
our
special
election
ballot
out
to
voters
just
the
general,
and
we
were
not
able
to
pick.
I
know
it's
very
disheartening,
but
we
had
we
talked
to
to
folks
and
to
the
secretary,
and
they
said.
Unfortunately,
the
law
does
not
allow
it.
W
So
we
would
also
look
to
our
member
talents
to
kind
of
help
us
make
sure
that
people
who
want
that
ballot
have
access
to
it.
Certainly
if
they
vote
in
in
person,
they'll
be
handed
the
ballot
just
you
know
like
normal,
but
it's
mainly
for
those
who
have
requested
an
absentee
or
who
are
just
going
to
be
mailed
the
general
election
ballot
and
think
they
have
everything
they
need.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
ours
and
know
how
to
get
it.
J
So
I'm
sure
you're
getting
good
advice,
but
I
would
just
go
back
to
the
secretary
of
state
again
because
we're
doing
the
cud
question
on
the
general
election
ballot.
We
just
had
to
meet
a
certain
deadline
and
I'm
pretty
99
sure
we
voted
on
other
bonds
for
regional
entities
on
the
general
election
ballot.
So
I
don't
take
no
for
an
answer.
C
W
It
allowed
the
the
local
local
elections,
so
the
cities
and
towns
can
have
their
ballots
mailed
out
by
the
secretary
of
state
and
the
school
districts
can
petition
the
city
or
town
to
have
their
ballots
mailed
at
a
specific
times
at
town
meeting
day
or
or
if
they
needed
to
at
general
election.
It
left
out
every
other
regional
entity
and
so
yeah
and-
and
I
hope
I
hope
it
was
just
an
oops
this-
doesn't
we
don't
often
have
a
bond?
W
We've
only
had
one
other
bond
request,
so
it's
not
necessarily
that
it's
top
of
mind.
I
think
for
something
like
this,
but
it
is
certainly
a
miss.
So
I
would
I
will
gladly
bring
back
this
recommendation
and
I
anticipate
other
member
towns
will
also
say:
can
you
ask
that
again,
but
our
initial
information
from
the
secretary
of
state
directly
from
him
was
that
they're
not
able
to
help,
but
I'm.
G
F
X
I
should
have
introduced
myself.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
she
doesn't
talk
about
the
great
work
and
detail
work,
that
staff
did
to
research
all
the
various
options
for
the
different
types
of
of
the
system
to
to
to
implement
a
new
mirth,
and
I
think
they
struck
the
right
balance.
They
could
have
spent
a
lot
more,
but
you
know
it
was
kind
of
a
you
know.
The
the
the
return
just
probably
wasn't
worth
it.
X
So
I
think
they've
got
the
right
balance
with
the
right
amount
of
people
that
she,
as
she
mentioned,
will
be
more
in
quality
control
on
the
line,
but
with
the
good
amount
of
automation.
So
staff
did
a
great
job.
They
visited
the
various
types
of
facilities
and
various
manufacturers,
and
you
know
real
world
merch
sites
that
are
actually
operating.
So
staff
did
a
great
job
in
that,
and
I'm
very
confident
that
this
is
the
right
design.
W
It
will,
and
ironically
we
are-
the
facility
is
dramatically
understaffed,
so
we
will
be
able
to
carry
over
the
amount
that
we
have
now
and
be
adequately
staffed.
So
so
yes,
we
will
not
be
again
we'll
be
able
to
won't
have
to
lay
anyone
off.
Actually
I
mean
they're
consoli
employees
right
now,
but
they
won't
have
to
lay
anyone
off
and
there
will
be
some
higher
skilled
jobs
available
as
well.
C
C
W
So
that
is
a
very
good
question
and
that's
for
our
board
to
really
debate.
There
are
several
options.
We
could
certainly
retain
retain
it
as
an
asset
and
use
it,
maybe
as
a
special
recycling
facility
for
kind
of
like
bulky
goods,
mattresses,
furniture,
things
like
that
or
hard
to
recycle
things
like
film,
we
could
sell
it
as
an
asset.
It's
you
know
located
in
a
great
location
in
the
industrial
park.
We
could,
you
know
lease
it
out
to
others
who
may
want
to
do
some
of
this
other
kind
of
work.
W
F
W
C
You
don't
have
it
now
right,
no
yeah
yeah,
so
this
is
an
important
point.
We
already
have
mandatory
recycling
across
the
whole
state.
We
have
a
centralized
repo,
you
know,
system
that
collects
all
recyclables
and
then
and
then
distributes
it
back
out
or
puts
it
in
the
land,
whatever
they
have
to
do
with
it
right.
I
have
to
take
my
bottles
and
cans
to
some
other
place
and
go
through
a
whole
separate
redemption
process
that
has
another
whole
set
of
transportation.
That
has
to
take
it
somewhere
else,
and
it's
not
efficient.
C
It's
the
it's
the
I
mean
there
was
a
time
in
1970
when
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do,
because
there
wasn't
any
mandatory
recycling.
Now
we
have
this
waste
district
that
takes
care
of
this.
Now
we
have
to
start
thinking
about.
Is
there
a
more
efficient
way
to
deal
with
our
beverage
containers
other
than
the
five
cent
deposit
right?
If
we
in
and
if
we
need
to
apply
a
tax
to
those
beverages
in
order
to
fund
things
that
help
the
homeless
or
whatever?
It
is
right.
C
If
there
are
social
causes
that
we
need
to,
we
can
deal
with
that,
but
I'm
really
tired
of
having
to
take
and
redeem
my
my
bottles
and
cans.
You
know
for
a
nickel
each
it's.
I
don't
have
to
do
that.
But
it's
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a
value
there
right,
but
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
obsolete.
I
think
it's
it's
past.
It's
it's,
prime,
and
it's
time
to
like
give
them
all
the
materials,
because
every
aluminum
can
they
sell.
They
get
a
lot
of
money
for
right.
W
W
The
class
processes
happen,
doors
have
outdoors,
put
it
all
inside
and
then
would
be
able
to
actually
get
this
this
glass
down
to
that
sandbar
process
and
and
then
again
talk
about
transportation
savings
right
now.
We
need
to
ship
half
of
our
glass
half
of
the
year
down
to
at
this
point
massachusetts,
but
it
will
have
to
go
further
than
that.
Casella
is
sending
theirs
down
to
the
carolinas
to
be
processed.
A
A
Y
Sorry
right,
thank
you
for
taking
up
this.
Oh
well,
say
it's
well,
it's
a
rather
small
amount
of
money
and
we're
requesting
it
is
very
timely
and
very
important
to
the
staff.
So
we
run
as
a
paramedic
level,
ambulance
service
and
so
paramedics
offer
the
highest
level
of
pre-hospital
care.
We
currently
have
seven
paramedics
on
staff.
Seven
of
the
29
positions
and
operations
are
certified
as
paramedics
we've
had
some
attrition
through
people
who
have
left
the
profession
and
so
we're
down
to
a
point.
Y
Now,
where
yeah
we
have
three
on
two
shifts
and
then
two
on
the
last
shift,
but
ultimately
it's
about
investing
in
our
staff
and
that's
what
this
really
is
about.
Is
that
transition
from
being
a
regular
emt?
Who
can
do
some
things
to
to
a
paramedic
level?
Education
is
really
important
to
our
staff
and
important
to
our
community
and
it's
difficult
to
recruit.
Y
Paramedics
and
paramedics
can
write
their
own
ticket
and
we
really
haven't
invested
in
our
own
members
since,
since
2010,
when
we
trained
the
first
group
of
paramedics
here
and
what
is
important
in
the
union
presence
in
the
back
of
the
room
is
the
collaborative
the
collaborative
approach
we've
been
able
to
take
to
this.
So
our
members
and
rightfully
so
are
compensated
on
their
days
off
when
they
attend
class
over
and
what
this
agreement
we
have
struck
with
them.
Y
Y
One
day
a
week
you
go
to
class,
and
so,
while
they
work
every
third
day
the
day,
the
the
days
that
they're
in
the
days
that
they're
working
we're
going
to
release
them
from
duty
for
the
eight
hours
of
class
they'll
return
to
work
the
remainder
of
their
shift.
But
on
the
days
that
they're
off
they're
doing
this,
for
no
compensation
because
they
understand
and
really
want
and
really
believe
in
the
higher
level,
education
and
the
service
they
provide
to
their
community.
So
we're
going
to
capitalize
on
a
couple
things
here.
Y
The
cost
of
the
program
is
about
25
000
for
student
for
tuition
and
books,
there's
another
about
6
500
in
overtime
to
backfill
those
positions,
each
one
of
them
when
they're
off,
but
the
state
is
providing
currently
about
a
21
000
grant
per
student
as
part
of
using
some
of
the
the
monies
that
have
come
into
the
state
to
for
for
certain
professions.
It's
kind
of
like
they're,
giving
nurse
for
nursing
students
they're,
giving
some
tuition
dollars
well
they're,
giving
21
000
per
student
for
toe
10,
paramedic
education.
Y
Unfortunately,
currently,
if
you
already
have
a
bachelor's
degree,
they're,
not
allowing
you
to
have
that
money,
so
two
of
our
members
qualify
for
it.
The
third
does
not
it's
quite
possible
the
rules
change
on
that
tomorrow
and
which
will
allow
all
three
of
our
members
to
receive
that
those
tuition
dollars.
And
if
that's
the
case,
we
will
not
need
the
12
000
we're
asking
tonight.
We
really
see
the
12
000
as
a
worst
case
scenario,
but
ultimately,
this
is.
Y
This
is
a
real
request
that
we
bring
forth
to
you
as
an
investment
in
our
staff
who
work
really
hard
every
day
and
if
I've
learned
anything
in
my
three
weeks
here
that
they
are
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
working
a
lot
of
hours,
as
I've
recently
told
the
manager,
you
know
through,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
we're
in
a
staffing
crisis
right
now
to
the
point
that
you
know
in
certainly
my
30
years
in
the
career.
I've
never
seen
anything
like
this.
Y
A
G
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
Could
I
just
add
a
sentence
to
the
chiefs
commentary,
so
I
would
recommend,
even
if
that
grant
comes
through,
if
the
council
is
supportive
of
using
12
000
of
this
fy
22
surplus
funding,
we
still
allocate
that
to
the
paramedic
fund.
As
you
know,
we
put
aside
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
paramedic
training.
This
proposal
envisions
us
drawing
all
of
that
down
for
these
three
years,
so
replenishing
that
so
we
can
get
back
on
a
rolling
cycle
of
education
would
be
best
for
long-term
planning.
G
Y
My
crisis
is
a
different
crisis
that
I'm
sure
we'll
be
we'll
be
talking
about
in
in
in
december.
You
know
just
just
just
to
highlight
and
take
the
opportunity,
while
I'm
sitting
in
front
of
you,
I
never
miss
an
opportunity
to
let
go
by
so
we
have
29
positions
and
operations.
Currently
we
are
operating
with
24
of
them
filled
and
then
with
with
f,
because
fmla
and
vacancies,
but
we
start
the
day,
but
then
with
leave
time,
we're
our
average
overtime
per
day
is
60
hours.
Y
So
we
are
one
of
probably
two
departments
that
have
minimum
staffing.
I
would
only
assume
the
police
department
has
as
well,
so
we
ensure
that
we
have
eight
firefighters
working
every
day
and
in
order
to
maintain
that
eight
firefighters,
we
have
60
hours
of
overtime
per
day
to
maintain
that
we
mandatory
someone
to
work
every
day.
Y
Y
It
is,
it
is
a
grind
right
now
that
the
staff
are
in,
and
then
you
turn
that
on
to
you
know,
15
average
of
15
calls
per
day
is
a
heavy
call
volume
on
a
limited
staff
and
and
I'll
we'll.
We
will
certainly
there
they
go
again
and
you
will
you'll
see.
Is
we
receive
aid
in
our
community
over
three
times
a
day,
because
we
can't
handle
our
own
call
volume.
Y
So
so
send
a
kind
of
kind
of
separate
topic,
so
certified
paramedics
for
me
that
seven
to
10
range
that
10
range
is
a
nice
sweet
spot
because
you
don't
want
to
have
an
over
saturation
because
some
at
some
point
it's
about
maintaining
your
skills
so
of
having
the
hot
I'm
an
emt
basic.
There's
certain
medications.
There's
certain
things
I
can
do,
there's
an
advanced
emt
level
which
everybody
in
our
organization,
except
for
myself
and
the
fire
marshal
at
your
it's
contractually
required.
They
can
do
more
things
and
then
our
paramedics.
Y
They
can
do
a
lot
of
things.
So
the
the
sweet
spot
is
probably
to
have
about
a
third
of
our
staff
as
a
paramedics.
That
way
we
always
have
paramedic
coverage,
so
there's
a
difference
between
a
paramedic
and
then
really.
What
we're
talking
also
is
about
enough
staff
to
handle
the
call
volume
and
that's
a
combination
of
just
total
people.
A
Y
Y
J
Ready
to
move
to
support
this,
if
I
could
get
a
second
and
then
I
like
discussion
so
in
the
discussion,
I'll,
never
miss
an
opportunity,
I'm
sorry
they
had
to
leave.
I
just
want
you,
the
new
chief
to
know
that
on
march
21
2020
we
had
scheduled
a
firefighters
appreciation
banquet.
We
have,
I
still
have
the
envelopes.
A
F
A
A
F
Z
Z
Z
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
our
our
resolution
or
our
memo
to
the
council
is
definitely
advisory.
We're
we're
very
happy
to
work
with
current
staff,
the
arborist
and
others
about
this
idea,
and
I
really
appreciated
the
information
that
tom
presented
as
a
follow-up
to
the
council.
With
regard
to
the
tree
inventory
that
exists
in
the
city.
Z
I
think
that
in
fact-
and
I
and
I
I
guess
I
can-
I
can't
really
speak
for
the
rest
of
the
committee,
but
but
diversification
of
tree
selection
per
neighborhood,
I
think,
is
really
important,
and
I
think
that
there
are
this
particular
issue
of
saving
ash.
Trees
really
has
a
focus
on
a
number
of
neighborhoods
whose
only
tree
is
the
ash
tree,
so
beyond
saving
or
trying
to
save
a
number
of
ash
trees.
Z
Those
neighborhoods-
and
I
think
it
is
definitely
in
the
in
the
arborists
plan
to
diversify
once
trees
are
taken
down
and
to
replant
with
other
species
of
trees,
so
that
you're
not
faced
with
a
total
total
destruction
of
your
tree.
Canopy
with
that
said,
I
think
that
our
our
idea
was-
and
I
you
know
we'll
we're
just
we're
very,
very
eager
and
willing
to
work
with
staff
with
regard
to
any
kind
of
planning
that
goes
along
with
preserving
and
and
increasing
the
tree
canopy
in
the
city.
Z
Z
Right-
and
I
think
I
think
it
does-
I
think,
the
the
that
the
response
from
tom
to
vitriol
was
really
to
look
into
it
further.
I
think
he
questioned
our
quote
the
quote
that
the
person
the
tree
expert
provided
us,
and
I
don't,
I
think
it's
it's
a
estimate
that
he
that
they
did
not
have
beforehand
and
perhaps
in
the
course
of
further
discussion,
the
cost
of
providing
tree
treatment
has
come
down.
O
A
O
Yeah,
so
I'm
aware
that
this
isn't
council's
first
discussion
about
the
ash
trees.
I
think
maybe
third,
I
was
trying
to
go
through
the
agendas
earlier,
so
I
don't
know
where
council
is
at
with
this.
I
think,
as
justin
said
previously,
our
prior
director
of
public
works
were
willing
to
work
at
the
direction
of
council,
and
so
if
this
is
something
that
you'd
like
to
investigate,
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
initial
thoughts
out
there.
O
I
think
my
comment
at
the
end
is:
I
want
to
square
this
in
my
prior
role
with
the
city.
We
would
have
discussions
a
lot
of
time.
People
would
call
about
herbicides
pesticide
use
in
the
city,
and
so
when
we
say
treatment,
we're
talking
about
the
injection
of
a
pesticide
into
the
ash
trees
to
prevent
the
borer,
the
larva
right,
it
would
kill
them.
O
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
understanding
what
treatment
means
in
this
case
as
we
move
forward
there
and
then,
if
that's
council's
wish
again
getting
back
to
some
of
the
logistics
here.
How
we're
selecting
trees
because,
like
the
memo
said,
we've
about
got
about
7,
200
city
street
trees
mapped
right
now,
and
this
represents
about
nine
percent
of
the
total,
so
we're
managing
all
those
trees.
Not
just
this
nine
percent
and
I'd
be
concerned
that
this
nine
percent
would
take
up
a
lot
more
of
our
budget
in
time.
So.
F
A
G
G
O
A
D
Megan
yeah,
the
question
I
had
for
tom
was,
and
thank
you
larry
for
coming
tonight-
was
how
do
you
respond
to
the
recommendation
that
larry
conveyed
to
us
that
I
think
it's
for
biodiversity
that
you're
seeking
to
really
go
into
neighborhoods,
where
the
street
trees
are
predominantly
of
one
type
ash,
trees
and
and
and
really
prioritizing
those
trees
for
replacement,
whereas
neighborhoods,
where
there
is
already
a
diversity
of
canopy,
that
those
would
be
the
treated
trees?
You
in
your
memo
had
talked
about
tree
size,
the
diameter
size
being
the
determinant
factor.
O
Sure
so
we'd
certainly
be
focused
on
those
areas
in
dorset
farms
is
the
big
one
in
my
mind,
as
I
sort
of
looked
at
that
data,
where
we
have
quite
a
few
ash
trees,
so
we'd
want
to
focus
there
get
a
lot
of
different
species
in
maybe
do
some
inter-planting
in
that
area.
I
couldn't
tell
you
exactly
which
species
that
leave
that
to
the
arborist
to
make
that
decision.
O
I
think
it
was
in
response
to
one
of
the
points
raised
in
their
memo
is
well
what's
worth
treating
and
we
thought
perhaps,
if
council
were
to
go
down
a
road
of
of
the
treatment
that
we
would
recommend
the
larger
trees,
be
the
ones
we'd
focus
on
for
that,
rather
than
the
smaller
ones,
because
they're
already
grown,
they
have
a
large
canopy.
But
again
that
would
be
a
lot
more
tracking
and
logistics
here
for
our
city,
arborist.
D
A
O
And
a
little
bit
more,
I
think
the
cost
of
this
has
gone
up.
I
think,
even
since
the
last
time
he
spoke
about
this,
but
I
think
we
have
enough
currently
to
replant
the
ones
that
were
removed
and
perhaps
do
a
little
bit
more
we're
actually
trying
to
pull
the
bid
documents
together,
but
not
for
various
vacations
we'd
probably
have
that
out
already
so.
O
J
A
J
So
I
appreciate
how
you've
approached
this
conversation,
because
we
have
con
gone
back
and
forth
on
this
for
some
time
now.
I
just
remember
four
years
ago
when,
before
we
started
all
of
this
justin
rabidwho
came
to
us
and
like
we
need
you,
the
council
know
we're
going
to
propose
chopping,
trees
down
and
people
don't
like
that,
and
so
that's
where
we
are
now.
My
question
to
you
is:
why
have
you
not
recommended
the
treatment,
the
pesticides
in
the
trees
prior
to
now,
if
you
could
refresh
our
memories?
O
Council
june,
I
hope
I
didn't
confuse
folks-
I'm
not
recommending
that
right
now,
I'm
just
speaking
in
response
to
the
natural
resource
council
committee's
memo
where
they're
again
requesting
this,
so
I
I
think
has
not
been
recommended
prior
to
that,
oh
yeah.
So
I
think
it's
a
couple
reasons
right:
sort
of
the
industry
standard
what
people
were
doing
around
the
state
around
the
region.
I
was
a
replacement.
There's
concerns
about
liability
of
these
trees
as
the
emerald
ash
borer
moves
in
becoming
unstable,
falling
over
things
of
that
nature.
F
J
O
So
I
don't
think
anything
has
changed
largely.
I
know
the
council
spoke
with
a
tree
expert
from
a
local
company
recently,
where
he
maybe
he
talked
a
little
bit
more
about
more
the
effectiveness
of
treatment.
Perhaps
it's
a
little
higher
than
they
thought
previously,
but
I
think
in
general
I
I
don't
I'm
not
aware
of
any
major
changes
since
the
last
time.
The
council
spoke
on
this
topic.
F
A
D
O
C
Y
C
Would
be
a
logical
conclusion
right
because
the
arborist
has
the
the
background
for
that,
and
this
could
is
this
one
of
the
items
that
was
on
the
survey
for
the
arpa
funds.
I
mean
you
have
to
allocate
by
a
certain
date
and
then
used
by
certain
dates
so,
depending
on
how
much
money
that
is,
you
know.
G
G
C
A
B
C
I
mean
the
replacement
process,
I
mean,
has
been
working
pretty
well,
the
trees
on
midland
are
thriving.
They
look
really
good
and
they've
grown
a
lot
in
the
last
year.
I'm
really
surprised
you
know,
but
if
you
have
big
diameter
trees
and
they
have
a
beautiful
canopy
and
you
don't
have
to
cut
them
down
right
away
and
there
is
a
chance
that
you
could
save
them
for
another
20
years
or
whatever
with
the
treatments.
C
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
look
at
doing
two
things
in
parallel
right,
but
it
depends
upon
some
weighting
factor
by
neighborhood
by
street
by
quantity.
Whatever
you
know,
whatever
the
simple
solution
is:
if
there
is
one
right
and
if
we
can
manage
the
money
for
it,
it's
probably
the
best
way
to
go,
because
you
want
to
preserve
those
big
canopies.
A
D
Z
Yes,
I
I
think
that
that
that
seems
fitting
with
our
recommendation
and
our
willingness
to
continue
working
with
staff
around
providing
some
help
in
this
regard.
So,
yes,
I'd
be
glad
to
do
that
great,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
the
tom's
comment
about
the
chemical
and
use
of
pesticides
along
right
of
ways.
I
think
that
is
a
one
aspect
of
it
that
we
actually
didn't
consider.
F
U
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
today
I
read
the
burlington
free
press
later
in
the
day,
or
else
I
would
have
sent
you
this
article,
but
there
is
a
front
page
article
in
today's
burlington
free
press
about
the
emerald
ash
borer.
It
starts
up
with
williston,
but
it
then
moves
to
burlington,
and
you
had
a
discussion
earlier
today
about
you
know
taking
the
example
of
burlington
when
you're
talking
about
the
ordinance
for
fossil
fuel
use.
U
Well,
I
encourage
you
to
see
what
burlington
hat
is
doing
regarding
the
emerald
ash
borer.
I
won't
read
through
the
whole
article,
but
basically,
what
they're
doing
is
it
says
is
choosing
not
to
preemptively
take
down
ash.
Instead,
they
are
focusing
on
planting
replacements
next
to
the
doomed
trees.
All
right,
the
pesticides
are
100
effective.
U
U
I
am
encouraged
that
you
stop
the
clear
cutting
of
the
ash
trees.
I
know
we've
lost
about
200
or
so
since
the
since
the
plane
was
put
together,
but
new
information
is
there.
Other
places
are
using
it.
So
I
really
encourage
you
to
plant
first,
as
burlington
is
doing
at
least
on
my
street,
which
is
predominantly
ash
and
the
city
arborist
came
out
and
said
that
there
was
a
room
sufficient
room
to
put
a
tree
in
between
the
ash
trees,
so
we
would
grow.
U
You
know
a
few
of
I
did
and
a
few
of
my
neighbors
decided
to
spend
our
own
money
and
plant
trees,
their
small
little
trees,
10
15
years
from
now
they
might
be
a
you
know:
profit
the
size
of
the
ash,
but
they'll
they'll
be
compatible
with
the
ash
or
allowed
to
live
through
the
injections,
and
our
arteries
have
beautiful
canopies
on
four
sisters.
So
thank
you
for
at
least
discussing
this.
Thank
you.
I
think,
for
the
moratorium
on
cutting
down
the
trees
and
and
being
willing
to
pursue.
U
You
know
another
way
of
addressing
the
emerald
ash
borer
besides
clear
cutting.
So,
thank
you
and
I
encourage
you
to
save
as
many
ash
as
you
can.
It
is
cheaper.
The
injections
are
cheaper.
I
think
the
nrcc
memo
shows
that,
and
I
encourage
you
to
read
the
article
in
today's
burlington
free
press
about
how
burlington
is
choosing
to
address
this,
our
neighbor
to
the
north.
Thank
you
well,.
A
A
A
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
G
G
G
G
A
A
F
A
M
K
Of
my
head,
but
the
as
requesting
that
the
city
potentially
enter
into
a
community
warn
a
ballot
item
to
enter
into
a
communications
union
district
since
that
date
date.
I
know
that
jarrod,
the
town
of
jericho,
has
decided
to
warn
the
ballot
item,
the
town
of
shelburne.
It
was
looking
like
they
were
going
to
essex,
has
it
on
their
agenda
tonight
and
williston
has
it
on
for
tomorrow.
Tomorrow
evening
there
are
a
couple
of
questions
that
council
had
at
the
end
of
it.
K
We
just
asked
sort
of
what
additional
information
you
might
need
to
warn
that
item
and
the
city
attorney
was
able
to
put
together
answers
to
those
and
that
that
is
included
in
your
packet,
along
with
the
ballot
language
and
a
recommended
warning.
Were
you
to
warn
this
for
the
november
election,
and
there
was
also
some
question
about
costs.
That's
addressed
in
there
as
well.
This
would
not
be
one
of
those
union
districts
that
would
that
would
have
the
statute
that
has
the
statutory
authority
to
levy
against
the
the
town
itself.
K
J
They
absolutely
were
a
great
memo,
but
for
the
public
at
home
just
to
restate
what
it's
kind
of
deputy
manager
bold
duck
just
said.
I
want
to
say
correctly:
this
will
not
cost
the
taxpayers
any
money.
Nor
will
this
unified
district
be
able
to
assess
us
and
in
the
future,
and
if
they
were
to
try
to
do
so,
we
would
have
the
right
to
withdraw
from
the
union
district.
J
D
I'll
just
add
that
not
only
does
this
not
cost
us
money,
it
will,
I
believe,
increase
our
ability
to
kind
of
what
I
want
to
call
it,
ensure
that
there's
a
competitive
market
and
so
we'll
bring
our
costs
down
for
the
user.
So
I
think
that
a
cud
is
ultimately
not
only
it's
not
neutral,
it's
actually
a
benefit
in
terms
of
cost
to
to
the
end
user.
So
I
hardly
support
this
ballot
initiative.
C
This
is
to
information
what
the
rea
was
to
electrification,
starting
in
the
middle
of
the
great
depression
right.
The
rea
just
brought
power
to
the
backside
of
metcalfe
pond
back
in
1985,
or
something
like
that.
So
this
this
will
help
to
I
mean
we
already
have
a
lot
of
coverage
in
this
area,
but
this
will
help
us
get
a
little
further
and
hopefully
bring
some
equity.
If
it's,
if
it's
possible
through
competition
right.
B
C
A
G
Great,
thank
you
so
a
couple
of
comments
and
some
ideas
on
direction.
So
first,
let
me
just
say
again
thank
you
for
your
time
at
the
retreat
in
july
and
your
efforts
kind
of
reviewing
all
the
materials,
I
know
there's
a
ton
of
information
here
and
I
really
appreciate
the
whole
leadership
team
really
appreciates
you
engaging
so
enthusiastically
and
so
thoughtfully.
So
what
I've
provided
tonight
is
upon
reviewing
the
data
that
you
all
provided
and
then
a
further
conversation
with
the
leadership
team.
G
I've
provided
all
the
council
and
leadership
team
votes
bear
in
mind.
There
are
much
more
leadership
team
members
than
council
members
so
take
that
with
a
grain
of
salt
and
then
a
set
of
kind
of
questions
and
thoughts
for
consideration
to
guide
our
conversation
tonight
I
want
to
walk
through
some
of
those.
Certainly
if
you
want
to
just
take
all
of
my
recommendations
and
adopt
them
as
is
tonight
or
have
conversations,
you
certainly
can
do
that.
G
You
can
also
provide
me
additional
direction
and
approve
this
or
approve
something
on
august
15th,
so
just
walking
through
the
document
a
few
questions
and
thoughts,
one.
We
thought
it
was
interesting
that
only
four
priorities,
no
priority
received
unanimous
vote
from
all
of
you.
Only
four
received
four
votes,
which
were
an
interesting
combination
of
ccpsa
cip
projects
for
pennies
for
pass
muttmint
stations,
which
we
we
had
a
good
sorry
leadership
team
laugh
about
that
and
updating
permitting
systems.
G
X
G
Which
is
what
we
thought
I
just
want
to
check
that
assumption.
We
had
a
conversation
about
child
care
in
the
room,
so
we
are
recommending
adding
the
endorse.
Let's
grow
kids,
child
care
care
campaign
as
a
city
they
are
actually
currently
working
with
on
logic,
paul
connor
attended
an
event
with
those
two
organizations
recently
and
they
are
doing
a
huge
amount
of
advocacy
around
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
counselor
emory
identified.
G
So
I
think,
as
a
city,
there
may
be
some
interesting
opportunities
to
partner
with
them
around
that
priority
right.
There's
a
box
here
then,
in
the
memo
about
priorities
that
received
zero
or
one
votes
that
we
propose
to
eliminate
and
our
notes
about
why
we're
eliminating
them
kind
of
where
they
are
in
other
priority
areas,
all
things
that
will
get
done,
but
don't
necessarily
rise
to
the
level
of
this
kind
of
strategic
priority
list
and
then
there's
a
whole
section
on
items
that
are
on
the
bike.
G
G
I
do
have
a
question
that
around
the-
and
this
is
my
fault
I
had
neglected-
to
put
on
the
bike-
rack-
the
expansion
of
the
planning
commission
in
drb.
So
it
didn't
it.
It
was
on
there,
but
it
didn't
have
the
same
kind
of
prep
as
the
other
ones
did
and
it
wasn't
voted
on.
So
I
just
want
to
check
that
that
is
really
something
that
should
stay
on
the
bike
rack
for
future
years
and
other
than
that
things
are
just.
Should
we
it
move
from
the
bike
rack
to
another
priority.
G
A
L
B
A
F
D
G
A
J
G
G
G
G
D
A
D
X
A
A
A
G
A
B
L
A
D
I
Right,
I
mean
the
fundamental
problem
with
tracking
in
transportation.
Emissions
is
where
what
what
do
you
choose
as
your
metric?
Do
you
choose
where
the
gasoline
is
purchased
distance?
Miles?
Traveled,
I
mean
it's
a
little
bit.
You
know
you
can
look
at
a
power
plant
or
a
home
heating
and
sort
of
make
a
determination.
D
I
D
D
J
G
No
exactly,
I
think
that
how
what
we
did
change
the
wording
on
this
one,
a
bit
you
you
might
notice
of
if
the
following
ordinances
are
considered
by
council,
we're
not
we're
not
necessarily
prior
saying
that
you're
going
to
do
all
of
these
ordinances
this
year.
That's
for
you
all
to
decide,
but
if
they
are,
we
would
put
enforcement
mechanisms
into
place
that
could
accomplish
all
of
those.
X
G
G
I'm
just
saying
right
now
we
have
I
z
and
we
have
stretch
code
that
are
not
being
enforced,
so
we
already
we're
starting
from
the
beginning.
You
know
we're
not
doing
any
single
family
home
inspections
now
anyway.
So
if
we
wanted
to
do
that
over
time,
we
only
right
now
we
have
two
and
two
building
inspectors
that
you
know
we
might
be
able
to.
I
mean
these
are
all
things
we
need
to
unpack.
To
give
you
a
good,
thoughtful
recommendation.
G
R
An
education
regulation
and
enforcement
team
moving
not
to
core
government.
This
may
be
new
to
jesse,
but
you've
heard
from
me
before.
I
really
don't
support
placing
our
priority
on
planning
for
recreation
center.
I
really
believe
we
have
to
be
sensitive
to
the
need
for
the
school
district
to
have
better
infrastructure,
and
I
know
it's-
it's
hasn't
succeeded,
but
it's
it's
looming
out
there
and
it
will
be
a
major
tax
burden
to
implement,
and
I
just
see
that
as
higher
priority
than
then
moving
forward
on
a
recreation
center.
R
R
R
Does
that
mean
the
entire
city,
or
I
was
thinking
the
city
government
had
done
a
lot
of
stuff
on
reducing
emissions,
and
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
any
data
on
before
and
after
and
whether
that
was
what
you
were
talking
about
measuring,
but
it
sounds
like
you're
talking
about
measuring
all
emissions
on
any
from
any
source
in
south
burlington.
So
that
was
that's.
My
comment
on
that.
D
G
I
don't
want
to
talk
for
him
because
I'm
not
remembering
what
he
said
in
this
moment
in
the
room.
Okay,
it
was
one
that
we
felt
that,
with
other
other
clean
and
green
priorities
being
voted
on
more
highly
that
this
was
one
that
wasn't
so
we
could
move
that
to
the
bike
rack
for
staff
capacity.
If
it's
something
that
is
important
to
you.
Certainly,
you
know
it's
important
to
tom.
It
was
on
the
list
to
begin
with.
D
J
X
A
D
D
D
D
F
G
R
There
are
some
things
that
were
on
the
affordable
housing
committee's
proposed
priorities
and
strategies
that
are
not
specifically
mentioned
here,
but
they
they
flow
into
some
of
the
things
that
are
here
so,
for
example,
we
have
creating
greater
measurability
in
the
plan's
objectives.
This
is
around
the
comprehensive
plan
and
we
certainly
support
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
believe
is
really
needed
to
do
that
in
the
housing
area
is
having
a
housing.
R
R
The
housing,
the
housing
chapter,
because
there
hasn't
been
any
needs
assessment
done
in
10
years.
So
I'm
just
wanting
to
clarify
that.
If
something
isn't
mentioned
here,
it
doesn't
mean
it
couldn't
be
part
of.
What's
what's
done
and
and
another
suggestion
we
had
was
that
there
be
a
separate
chapter
in
in
the
comprehensive
plan
on
equity.
R
But
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that's
how
the
plan
is
going
to
be
organized,
because
I
see
the
like
open
space.
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
organized
by
different
labels,
this
time
and
then
my
last
one
was-
and
this
is
not.
This
is
not
an
affordable
housing
committee
responsibility,
but
it
is
a
high
value
among
the
committee,
and
that
was
that-
and
this
would
be
consistent
with
the
emphasizing
equity
in
our
work,
and
that
is
doing
in
collaboration
with
the
school
district,
doing
an
equity
audit.
G
One
committees
are
all
over
the
place
and
using
this
process
so
far,
so
it
was
creating
some
real
inequities
around
how
committees
showed
up
in
this
document,
but
all
of
the
committee's
work
plans
as
they
presented,
are
included
in
your
packet
tonight
and
you
can
see
those
and
what
they,
what
you
all
are
intending
to
work
on
the
full
words.
Second,
things
like
the
comprehensive
plan
for
specifically
that
you
mentioned
all
of
the
committees
are
going
to
be
involved
in
that
and
what
we
tried
to
do
in
that.
G
G
So
I
think
some
of
that
is
reflected
here.
You
know
having
the
same
having
it
be
a
data
driven
document
with
metrics
over
time,
etc.
So
I
do
think
that
that
is
reflected
here
in
the
comp
plan.
One,
and
certainly
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
all
the
committee's
work
plans
is
submitted,
are
part
of
the
kind
of
the
council
accepting
all
of
this.
So
I
guess
I
will
leave
it
there
for
clarification.
Okay,
yeah
thanks
yeah.
D
We
also
had
the
resident
with
the
neighbor
and
the
stereo
system
during
the
day,
people
who
work
different
hours
and
shifts-
I
I
I
don't.
I
don't
really
want
to
push
that
off
for
another
year-
is
that
at
all
possible
for
us
to
have
that
added
or
because
we
we've
been
in
contact
with
someone
who's?
Probably
you
know
desperate
and
will
give
up
hope
if
we
truly
say
it's
pushed
off
another
year,
but.
D
D
D
F
D
C
They
have
noise
standards,
they
I
don't
think
they
have,
they
don't
have
a
meter.
They
just
have
to
know
it's
between
this
iron
and
this
iron
you're
making
noise
and
they
write
a
ticket,
and
then
the
landlord
makes
the
students
pay
it.
It's
it.
It
works
pretty
well,
after
the
third
one.
You
know
the
price
just
keeps
going
up
and
up
and
up
so.
E
D
K
Maybe
maybe
2020
end
of
2020,
and
that
was
about
a
sort
of
a
short-term
medium-term
long-term
solution
to
some
of
the
noise
challenges
that
we've
had
in
terms
of
regular.
You
know
the
regulatory
tools
that
we
had
at
the
time,
and
so
I
think
the
council
moved
forward
with
sort
of
the
the
short
term
ones
and
it
was
kind
of
on
our
radar
for
a
while
to
come
back
at
some
point,
but
that
was
yeah.
That
was
a
long
time
ago
at
this
point
so
yeah.
A
G
So
bigger
so
I'll
say
talk
about
the
noise
overnight
instead
again
at
the
end,
I
think
overall
big
picture.
I
think
you
have
given
me
a
lot
of
guidance
about
what
is
outlined
in
the
memo.
I
think
it's
enough
changes
that
I
should
bring
it
back
to
you
for
a
final
approval.
So
let
me
integrate
the
changes
we've
talked
about
today.
G
F
A
So
we're
done
with
12,
then
so
we
move
on
to
reports
from
counselors
on
committee
assignments.
I
have
a
brief
one
on
the
airport
commission.
I
thought
it
was
interesting.
The
numbers
of
emplainments
in
june
were
historic,
they're
they're
greater
than
pre-covered,
so
people
are
really
doing
a
lot
of
flying.
So
that's
good
at.
D
D
F
A
What
I
thought
you
would
be
very
happy
about
all
the
houses
that
are
being
worked
on
now
for
the
sound
mitigation.
None
of
them
have
the
navigation
easement.
If
you
recall
that
was
a
really
big
conversation,
because
the
faa
really
wanted
to
be
able
to
come
back
or
have
them
say
things
change,
you
may
never
again
complain
and
with
the
housing
that
they're
doing
now
for
the
upgrades,
none
of
them
have
the
navigation
easement.
A
There
actually
are
nine
cause
one
I
can't
remember
they
didn't
want
to
do
it
or
whatever,
but
there's
nine
going
forward,
and
you
can
look
if
you
go
online,
you
can
see
them
and
each
one
is
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
it's
weatherization
too
that
that
I
don't
know
is
if
that's
included
in
the
hundred
and
thousand,
but
they
are
working
with
the
weatherization
people
and
then
and
vermont
gas
systems
for
in
this
restoration
or
work.
If
they
need
a
new
furnace
or
there's
a
more
efficient
one.
C
A
A
A
A
Know
they
haven't,
they
haven't
figured
that
out
yet
and
that
new
facility
has
earmar
is
with
earmarked
dollars.
Thank
you,
pat
leahy,
and
the
hotel
project.
The
shovels
in
the
ground
should
be
this
fall.
It's
117
rooms
it'll
sit
right
where
you
now
can
they
have
like
parking
overflow
so
and
then
just
sort
of
a
personal
thing
kind
of
it
was
a
a
gentleman
named
greg
hill
retired
after
44
years
on
airfield
maintenance
is.
A
E
A
J
I
haven't
gone
to
that
point.
I
think
I
can.
I
don't
know
what
I
can
disclose
right
now
about
how
many
candidates
there
are
who
those
candidates
are.
So
since
those
names
aren't
public.
I
don't
think
I
could
take
letters
if
we
get
down
to
like
just
two
candidates
and
maybe
make
that
public.
Then,
okay,.
B
A
A
I
Just
briefly
betty
and
barb,
watching
at
home,
I
did
bring
up
the
issue
about
examining
the
footprint
of
the
dog
park
at
wheeler
and
jesse
confirmed
that
she's
going
to
investigate
and
get
back
to
me
and
the
rest
of
you
on
the
gmta
we're
still
looking
for
an
interim
director.
If
you
want
to
run
the
largest
transit
public
transit
authority
in
vermont,
austin
davis,
is
the
new
president
of
gmta
and
volunteer
president
and
he'd
be
the
one
to
submit
your
application.
D
G
On
that,
yeah
just
want
the
council
to
know
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
the
housing
trust
fund
committee
are
going
to
have
a
joint
meeting
before
your
next
meeting
to
review
the
rsps
and
they're
giving
a
whole
morning
of
a
weekday
time
to
do
that
so
really
generous.
Generally,
there's
six
percent.