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From YouTube: South Burlington City Council - 7/10/2023
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Call to Order 00:00:00
Announcements and City Manager's Report 00:01:57
Consent Agenda 00:15:36
FY24 Municipal Tax Rate 00:16:24
FY24 Water Rates 00:23:56
Planning & Zoning Fee Schedule 00:26:01
Call To Order 00:28:06
Minutes 00:33:58
Traffic Analysis 00:35:04
Planning of 575 Dorset St. 01:40:25
Capital Planning 01:47:07
Other Business 02:18:49
Total Run Time: 02:25:18
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A
6
p.m:
special
city
council,
meeting
on
Monday,
July,
10th
2023.
We
have
one
possibly
two
counselors
who
will
be
remote,
we're
hoping
that
Megan
Emery
will
be
able
to
join
us
from
the
West
Coast,
where
it's
probably
sunny
but
hotter
than
here
and
Tyler
Barnes
is
remote.
So
we'll
start
with
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
Tim.
You
want.
C
D
Thank
you
for
those
attending
in
person.
You
can
go
out
either
side
of
the
rear
of
the
auditorium
and
then
go
left
and
right
to
leave
exit
for
those
participating
remotely.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
If
you'd
like
to
make
a
comment
during
any
agenda
item,
please
either
turn
on
your
camera
or
indicate
to
me
you'd
like
to
make
a
comment,
and
the
chair
will
call
on
you.
Otherwise,
we
are
not
monitoring
the
chat
for
Content
tonight.
Thanks.
A
E
E
E
I
attended
the
meeting
of
the
climate
climate
action
task
force,
Transportation
committee,
where
we
talked
about
different
strategies
for
reducing
vehicle
models
traveled
and
getting
people
into
EVS,
including
amending
our
regs,
to
require
more
charging.
Do
some
Transportation
demand
management
strategies,
more
density,
so
really
exciting
stuff
there.
That
I
think
some
of
that
will
have
a
big
big
impact.
E
So
I
think
that'll
be
that'll,
be
really
interesting
to
talk
about
here
and
then.
Finally,
just
to
let
folks
know,
I
did
I
hosted
a
number
of
folks
in
in
my
home
to
talk
about
the
Hubbard
area.
I
think
it's
a
very
good
discussion
folks
had
some
strong
views,
I
think
at
the
end
of
it,
at
least
among
that
little
group
folks
are
able
to
kind
of
coalesce
about
around
something
that
that
seemed
pretty
reasonable,
but
we'll
have
that
for
the
discussion
next
time.
We
all
talk
about
Hubbard.
So
that's
me.
B
Let's
report
other
than
the
fact
that
I
went
to
the
lake
monsters
game
last
week
on
Military
Appreciation
Night,
oh
nice,
so
I
have
in-laws
and
the
son-in-law
is
a
he's,
a
pilot
for
the
Air
Force
and
we
were
able
to
enjoy
the
game
and
and
and
and
pay
our
respects
to
all.
The
different
chapters
that
are
here.
F
G
G
I
am
not
a
soccer
fan,
because
I
watched
Ted
lasso,
that's
just
about
as
close
as
I
get,
but
it
was
riveting
and
just
seeing
the
crowds
of
people
that
they
got
and
the
engagement
and
support
all
positive
it
was.
It
was
really
remarkable
and
I'm
really
excited
that.
We
have
something
like
that
in
our
community.
A
A
Apparently,
this
is
a
group
that
is
very
much
opposed
to
the
basing
of
the
f-35s
and
they've
linked
it
now
to
concerns
with
the
of
climate
change
and
have
a
resolution
that
they
are
bringing
forward.
I,
guess
or
somebody
is.
They
must
have
a
Burlington,
City
councilor,
proposing
this
and
we're
urging
the
commission
to
take
a
stand
or
to
support
it.
It
was
I
think
a
little
less
about
climate
change
and
more
about
the
basing,
but
they
did.
A
A
Think
it's
passenger
mile
or
something
like
I
I,
think
that's
the
how
you
measure
that
they
had
spoken
to
Nick
Longo,
about
that
he
had
spoken
with
the
FAA
who
have
assured
them
that
that's
not
legal,
that
a
lot
of
federal
dollars
have
gone
into
and
the
airport
and
that
you
can't
deny
whole
classes
of
planes
to
land,
but
they
still
believe,
there's
a
chance
and
I
know.
Our
experience
has
been
with
the
FAA
that
sometimes,
if
you
ask
a
couple
times,
you
get
a
different
answer.
A
A
Things
got
held
up
a
little
bit
because
the
windows
that
they
had
ordered
I,
don't
know
the
company
went
belly
up
or
they
didn't
get
them.
So
they
had
to
find
some
other
vendor
for
the
windows
so
they
have
submitted.
You
have
to
go
through
quite
a
bit
of
effort
when
you
use
federal
dollars,
I
guess
probably
more
so
than
State
dollars
about
vetting
different
companies
and
making
sure
that
they're
okay
to
work
with.
A
In
spite
of
that
I
guess
we
still
have
you
know
thirty
thousand
dollars
basins
and
toilets
and
things
that
some
of
these
vendors
sell
to
the
military.
But
maybe
that's
ended,
I,
don't
know
so
that
will
continue
phase
two.
It's
the
next
52
homes
and
that
will
start
the
Outreach
to
those
52
homes
in
August.
A
A
A
Haven't
heard
anything
negative,
so
I
haven't
I
think
they
would
have
shared
that
yeah.
They
also
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
noise
exposure
map
and
later
this
summer,
we'll
have
the
the
first
meeting
and
they
will
create.
There
were
two
committees
that
provided
oversight
so
they'll
be
in
touch
with
the
city
of
South,
Burlington
and
other
people
I
think
Paul
Connors
was
on
one
of
those
committees.
There
were
some
public
members,
people
from
Winooski
there's
a
variety
of
public
who
worked
on
those.
A
H
I
A
E
A
A
J
You
hear
me:
we
can
okay,
I'm
gonna
keep
my
screen
off,
because
I
have
limited
battery
I.
Just
hope
that
everybody
is
okay.
I
am
out
of
state
and
learning
from
both
local
and
national
news
sources
about
the
heavy.
Torrential
rains
I
just
I
haven't
heard
South
Burlington
in
the
news,
but
I
hear
that
people
are
watching
Burlington
overnight.
In
addition
to
Montpelier
and
I
just
hope.
Everybody's
okay.
C
C
D
So,
just
on
that
note
and
I
will
save
the
rest
of
my
comments
for
next
week
in
the
interest
of
time.
But
we
are
the
Chiefs
and
Tama
are
watching
overnight.
We
are
expecting
another
two
and
a
half
inches
of
rain
here
overnight.
We're
not
seeing
any
significant
issue
at
this
point,
but
we
are
monitoring
it
and
assuming
we
don't
need
a
lot
of
local
resources
and
emergency
response
tomorrow
we
will
offer
our
assistance
to
other
municipalities
who
may
need
building
inspectors
and
heavy
equipment
and
whatnot
so
more
to
come
on
that.
D
So,
while
we're
thinking
about
our
Municipal
friends
across
the
city
or
across
the
state
who
are
really
struggling,
I
also
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
are
thinking
tonight
of
our
friends
in
Rutland
who
are
mourning
one
of
their
new
police
officers,
Officer
Evan
Hauser,
who
passed
away
on
Friday
in
the
line
of
duty.
So
we've
been
thinking
about
her
okay.
F
A
D
So,
as
Martha
comes
down
just
a
reminder,
this
is
a
formulaic
approval.
We
model
what
we
project
the
grand
list
to
be
go
as
we
develop
the
FY
24
budget.
The
grand
list
is
then
lodged
as
effective
April
1st,
and
then
there
is
a
Formula
based
on
the
money
to
be
raised
by
property
taxes
that
the
voters
approved
so.
D
D
L
Other
Martha,
yes,
the
other
awesome,
Martha
I,
just
started
off
by
giving
a
little
blurb
of
what
is
a
grand
list
and
what
does
it
mean?
And
the
grand
list
contains
information
such
as
a
property
owner's
name,
mailing
address,
assess
values,
size
of
the
lot,
and
this
information
is
set,
as
Jesse
said,
as
of
April
1st
each
year,
and
then
there
are
several
reasons
why
an
assessed
value
may
change
during
non-reappraisal
years
and
that's
if
somebody
does
new
construction
or
gets
a
permit
to
add
a
deck
finish.
L
A
basement
do
a
second
story,
Edition
or
demolish
something
on
their
property
and
then
I
know
Tim
had
asked
what
the
average
range
was
for
residential
house
and
condo.
The
residential
real
estate
market
and
Condominiums
is
still
still
increasing
in
sale
prices.
However,
that
doesn't
mean
our
assessed
values
change
because
we
did.
Our
last
reappraisal
was
complete
with
2021,
so
I
have
to
use
those
same
tables
when
I
assess
when
I
put
values
on
properties
now
going
forward.
L
So
the
new
construction
that
was
just
built
last
year
in
2022
or
even
into
the
beginning
of
2023
is
based
upon
what
our
houses
were
assessed
at
for
2021..
So,
therefore,
the
the
average
house
remain
the
same.
The
condos
went
up
slightly
to
296
408
dollars
and
the
main
reason
for
that
is
like
at
O'brien
Farms.
That's
a
PUD,
the
planned
unit
development.
So
all
of
those,
even
though
it
looks
like
a
single
family
house,
it's
in
the
condo
database,
because
there
is
no
land
value
with
it.
L
The
commercial
real
estate
market
is
not
as
robust
as
the
residential
in
the
condos.
However,
the
values
that
were
set
in
2021
are
still
holding
steady
and
for
commercial
properties
that
have
sold
since
the
reappraisal
they're,
either
selling
they're
starting
to
sell
for
a
little
more
than
what
they
were
assessed
at.
But
there's
not
quite
the
Gap
like
between
residential
and
condos.
L
And
this
year
the
grand
list
increased
by
2.38
overall
for
the
entire
Municipal
Grand
list.
So
we
are
now
a
little
over
4.1
billion
dollars
in
value
I
broke
out
the
percentage
increase
between
what
happened
in
the
Tiff
District
I
lumped
residential
and
Condominiums
together
in
the
commercial
real
estate
market,
and
most
of
it
was
due
to
new
construction.
L
L
And
that
would
include
pennies
for
pass
and
open
space
and
with
the
increase
that
we
had
in
the
grand
list,
our
tax
rate
is
actually
increasing
by
5.43
percent
and
that's
better
than
what
taxpayers
anticipated
when
they
approved
the
budget
and
that
will
decrease
what
their
new
tax
burden
is
going
to
be.
And.
A
M
B
F
A
A
I
Good
evening
everybody,
so
hopefully
this
is
pretty
straightforward.
We
did
this
last
year
so
for
our
Enterprise
funds,
drinking
water,
Wastewater
and
storm
water.
We
proposed
a
budget
that
Council
had
reviewed
in
the
budget
book.
That
information
was
presented
to
taxpayers
or
rate
payers.
In
this
case,
I
should
say,
and
what
the
resolution
contains
here
is
raises
in
those
rates
that
match
kind
of
what
we
talked
about
back
during
budget
approval
time.
I
can
go
through
the
specific
numbers
if
folks,
like
I,
have
them
on
a
dollar
basis.
I
I
don't
have
the
percentages
in
front
of
me
and
then
also.
This
resolution
changes
some
of
our
allocation
fees.
So
when
there's
new
construction
that
needs,
for
example,
a
Wastewater
allocation
or
additional
drinking
water,
we
charge
them
a
fee
to
help
pay
for
future
Capital
costs.
I'll
mention
this
also
updates.
Those
rates.
A
B
B
F
D
So
Paula's
not
here
tonight,
so
I
am
doing
this
one
again.
This
is
on
our
annual
changing
night,
so
we
thought
we
would
bring
this
to
you
at
the
same
time.
So
there's
actually
no
fee
change
associated
with
this
change.
It
is
solely
a
timing
change,
so
we
are
recommending
that
you
approve
this
update
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
fee
schedule
to
alter
the
time
at
what
at
which
the
certificate
of
occupancy
fee
is
paid.
That
is
a
hard
thing
to
track
down
at
the
end
of
a
project,
so
we
are
recommending.
D
D
A
A
In
a
second
second
yeah
and
any
comments
or
questions,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye,
that's
unanimous.
So
that
concludes
the
special
city
council
meeting.
So
I
would
invite
the
school
board
and
violet
I.
Think
that's
all
that's
joining
us.
So
we
can
convene
as
a
steering
committee
meeting.
N
N
A
O
Thank
you:
Brian
companion,
40-year
resident
of
South,
Burlington
retired
for
30
years.
I
worked
for
pizzagalli
construction
as
the
risk
manager.
The
last
10
years
of
my
career
there
I
was
in
charge
of
the
construction
project
and
project
health
and
safety
program
with
from
development
to
implementation,
to
monitoring
and
four
months
on
the
school
board.
So
here
I
am.
A
P
K
K
Yes,
I'd,
like
to
I'll,
have
two
introductions:
I'd
like
to
introduce
Tim,
Jarvis
senior
director
of
operations
and
finance.
He
is
here
in
person.
We've
also
got
Lissa
McDonald
and
she's
just
turned
her.
Camera
on
Alyssa
has
joined
us
via
Zoom
she's,
the
prince
of
pal,
as
she's
known
at
Rick
Marcotte
elementary
school.
So,
thanks
for
being
here
both
of
you
thank.
A
D
And
I'm
Jesse
Baker
I
serve
as
your
city
manager
and
I've
just
started.
My
third
year
and
joining
me
tonight
is
Martha
machar,
our
finance
director,
Steve
Locke,
our
Deputy
city
manager
and
fire
chief
Tom
depietro,
our
Public
Works
director
Sean
Burke,
our
police
chief
Erica
qualin,
our
deputy
director
of
Public
Works
for
capital
projects
and
Martha
Lyons.
Our
director
of
tax,
assessing
and
or
tax
director
of
assessing
and
tax
collection,
and
also
Lou
brazee
is
online,
who
is
our
energy
projects,
manager
and
Sue
alnick,
of
course,
taking
minutes.
B
D
J
Yes,
hi
and
I
am
going
to
keep
my
camera
off.
Just
so
I
can
hear
the
whole
meeting
and
save
some
battery
Megan
Emery.
This
is
my
14th
year
on
the
council
and
I
am
just
happy
to
participate.
I
apologize
for
being
virtual,
but
I
will
do
my
best
to
follow
and
to
participate
in.
All
of
all
of
that
we'll
be
discussing
tonight.
Thanks.
G
Sorry
wrong
button:
my
name
is
Tyler
Barnes
I'm,
a
new
member
of
the
city
council,
I
joined
with
councilor
challenick
in
March,
but
a
long
time
South,
Burlington
resident
on
and
off
since
1985
ish
and
product
of
South
Burlington
schools
so
very
excited
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
together
to
continue
and
share
these.
The
wonderful
experience
that
I
had
with
another
generation
of
students.
N
R
N
B
A
A
D
Sure
so
just
table
setting
here
as
Tom
get
settled.
We
also
have
Erica
qualin
here
to
speak
on
this
and
chief
Burke
as
well,
so
the
school
board
provided
us
a
letter
on
June
21st
following
up
from
our
April
letter.
So
we
provided
this
back
and
would
love
to
have
a
discussion
about
what's
included
here.
I
guess
I
would
like
to
start
by
just
saying
we
are
we,
as
City
staff
are
equally
committed
to
the
safety
of
our
streets.
D
D
C
I
Everybody
Tom
depietro
Public
Works
director
and
thank
you
Jesse
for
your
introduction
and
thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
come
here
and
speak
about
this
I
look
forward
to
like
Jesse,
said
having
a
discussion
about
this
and
and
letting
you
know
the
work
we've
put
into
this
so
far,
and
the
kind
of
the
process
we're
following
to
meet
some
of
the
requests
that
we
received
in
this
mid-june
letter
here
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
them.
I
think
I'll
just
go
through
one
at
a
time.
Yes
and
we'll
go
there.
I
So
the
first
request
is
related
to
traffic
at
the
intersection
of
Market,
Street
and
Rick
Marcotte
are
requesting
a
timeline
budget
and
related
information.
So
in
brief,
the
update
on
that
effort
is
is
retained.
A
traffic
engineering
consultant
VHB,
who
has
done
work
in
the
area
and
we're
also
working
with
the
Chittenden,
account
the
tinting
County
Regional
Planning
Commission
on
the
traffic
engineering
professionals.
I
There
we
have
expedited
the
schedule
for
data
collection
so
that
the
information
the
engineers
need
to
do
the
kind
of
analysis
that's
necessary
can
get
done,
was
done
during
the
school
year
when
there's
obviously
more
traffic
in
the
area.
Schools
in
session,
so
they've
collected
turning
movement
data
for
the
area
traffic
volume
data
collected
speed,
data
on
Market
Street
folks
may
have
seen
the
sensors
out
there
during
the
end
of
the
school
year,
and
the
next
step
in
that
process
is
for
them
to
do.
Take
that
information.
I
Do
an
engineering
analysis
in
the
memo
I
included
some
information
about
the
kind
of
kind
of
the
warrant
analysis
and
the
engineering
resources
they
use.
The
mutcd,
the
Ashton
manual
I
didn't
want
to
overwhelm
folks,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
some
information
kind
of
what
the
engineers
are
using
and
what
they're,
using
as
resources
and
and
why
those
are
important
kind
of
what
those
are
used
for
as
they
make
determinations
for
for
traffic
and
pedestrian
safety.
I
As
far
as
schedule
goes,
so
final
engineering
recommendations
will
be
available
at
the
end
of
July
or
early
August.
So
on
schedule
to
what
we
had
initially
planned
and
we
signed
contracts
to
do
with
our
Consultants
and
then
the
next
step
is
to
evaluate
sort
of
timelines
and
budgets
figure
out
any
funding
requests.
Some
interventions
can
be
done
pretty
quickly
right.
If,
if
the
suggestion
is-
and
just
as
a
for
instance,
you
know
stop
sign
a
four-way
stop
that
can
happen
pretty
quickly.
I
A
P
I
So
that's
what
your
question
confused
me,
because
there's
multiple
studies
in
this
area,
the
other
one,
is
a
traffic
model
that
my
colleague
Erica
has
got
additional
information
on
as
of
just
today.
Even
so,
we
are
looking
at
the
whole
area,
the
intersections
sort
of
from
Hinesburg
Market,
all
along
Market,
Street
down
to
Dorset,
Dorset,
Williston
and
updating
that
traffic
model,
and
so
we
have
the
existing
conditions,
data
with
that
traffic
volume,
information
that
gets
plugged
into
that
model.
I
We
also
know
the
new
development
that's
coming,
and
so,
when
that
gets
through
our
development
review
process,
they
provide
information
on
additional
traffic.
So
the
next
step
there
is
to
plug
that
expected
additional
traffic
into
the
model
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
see
what's
expected
at
each
intersection
and
if
that
warrants
or
calls
for
you
know,
signalized
intersection,
just
as
an
example
right,
and
so
that
really
helps
us
lay
out
a
plan
which
helps
us
lay
out
kind
of
the
budgetary
needs.
For
again.
Maybe
it's
a
traffic
signal
or
whatever
it
might
be,.
C
I
Okay,
just
I'm
going
to
complicate
that
just
a
little
further,
because
I
can't
help
myself.
They
run.
They
run
different
scenarios
too.
So
with
Garden
Street
open
or
closed.
What
does
that
do?
So?
It's
going
to
be
a
pretty
holistic
analysis
of
the
area
which
I
hope
folks
find
as
interesting
as
Erica
and
I
do.
D
Actually,
the
critical
modeling
for
our
downtown
in
the
years
to
come,
I
think
one
of
the
big
picture
things
to
think
about,
as
we
think
about
specifically
bike
and
pedestrian
and
Vehicle
Safety
in
City
Center.
Is
that
the
growth
that
we
were
projecting
in
City
Center
last
year
at
this
time
and
the
growth
we're
seeing
on
the
ground
is
incredibly
different.
D
So
about
a
year
ago,
when
we
were
planning
for
this
year
in
we
started
this
work
on
the
track
on
the
comprehensive
traffic
modeling
and
are
fine-tuning
it,
as
we
know,
what's
actually
being
permitted
on
the
ground.
So
we
we
have
been
proactively
planning
for
that,
and
it's
just
happening
much
faster
than
we
anticipate
what
then
the
development
Community
was
telling
us.
It
was
going
to
happen.
O
O
Because
that
to
me,
I
I
come
from
construction
and
we
have
a
saying:
inspect:
don't
expect,
go
see
it
yourself,
so
I
did
three
or
four
times
over
here
at
Marcotte
and
also
at
Chamberlain.
I
walked
that
district
and
I
even
counted
cars.
There's
100
to
140
cars
that
go
through
in
a
25
minute
period
and
probably
75
percent
of
them
in
a
10
or
15
minute
period,
and
you
know
just
getting
back
onto
Market.
Street
is
difficult.
O
Coming
from
the
East,
you've
got
the
construction
fence
with
a
blind
Corner
the
Fabrics
right
up
on
it.
It's
hard
to
see
coming
from
the
West,
it's
kind
of
a
curve
with
cars
parked
and
plus.
You
know
that
heavy
School
traffic
also
has
the
morning
traffic,
where
everybody's
trying
to
get
their
day
started
and
I
can
understand
if
it's
accelerating,
with
your
building
going
much
faster.
M
O
My
other
questions
has
to
do
is
what
is
school,
going
to
look
like
when
Rick
Marcotte
opens,
you
know
is
what
are
we
going
to?
Are
we
going
to
see
any
change
from
what
we
saw
from
last
year
at
the
end
of
the
year
when
we
had
Sue
out
there
directing
pedestrian
traffic
vehicle
traffic
and
so
on,
because
we're
six
to
eight
weeks
away
from
school.
O
D
To
provide
more
detail,
as
he
said
earlier,
it
depends
on
what
the
recommendation
is.
If
it's
a
recommendation
that
you
know
we
can
do
in-house
or
with
a
small
contract,
that's
something
we
can
do
very
quickly
if
it's
a
traffic
light
or
a
bigger
intervention,
that's
required
by
the
by
the
engineering
standards,
that's
a
different
conversation,
and
we
just
don't
know.
Yet
what
those
recommendations
are.
That's
what
we
anticipate
getting
at
the
end
of
July.
B
L
K
Yeah
I
too
I'm
thinking
you
know
about
the
start
of
school
already
and
I
I
appreciate
Jesse
what
you
said
about
the
expedited
pace
of
development
and
I'm,
wondering
not
my
area
of
expertise,
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
share
any
information
about
the
timeline
for
a
development
of
a
school
zone.
I
know
that
that
you
know
it
has
been
a
request
of
the
board
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
share
a
little
bit
about
that.
Tom
yeah.
I
Okay,
so
just
again,
I
just
organize
these
kind
of
how
the
letter
came
in
so
item
two
is
a
date
for
when
school
zones
will
be
finalized
in
each
of
the
four
school
campuses
currently
without
them,
and
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
longer
answer.
I
apologize
for
that,
but
kind
of
four
different
scenarios
here
so
just
to
go.
Take
one
step
back.
We
did
not
have
in
our
ordinance
in
our
our
resolution.
I
A
few
moments
ago
collected
all
the
data
recommended
a
school
zone.
So
once
that
was
all
done,
we
ordered
the
hardware
and
lighting
and
all
of
the
signage
and
all
the
things
that
are
required
to
kind
of
to
put
the
school
zone
in
in
reality.
It's
just
on
paper
right
now,
in
our
ordinance
due
to
just
delivery.
We
are
still
waiting
on
that
Hardware.
I
J
Just
jump
in
there,
hey
Helen,
sure
sure
I
just
wanted
to
give
credit
to
our
principal
Holly
ruelle,
and
thanks
to
her
letter
that
that
was
fast,
tracked,
I
simply
was
kind
of
a
like
a
nudge
that
was
following
up
to
make.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
we
knew
the
timeline
going
forward.
So
thank
you
Tom
for
giving
me
the
credit,
but
I
really
want
to
give
the
credit
to
Holly
of
Chamberlain
School
thanks.
Okay,.
K
F
I
K
M
P
I
Oh
you're
testing
my
memory
there
I
know
that
we,
if
in
the
memo
I
looked
it
up,
it
was
October.
3Rd
2022
was
when
we
updated
the
city
ordinance
to
allow
school
zones
and
create
that
school
zone
within
the
ordinance,
and
it
must
have
been
some
months
before
that,
where
we
had
done
the
data,
collection
and
kind
of
worked
with
the
Traffic.
J
P
P
I
was
on
the
school
board
in
October
of
2022
and
I.
Didn't
know
that
this
conversation,
ordinance
was
going
into
place
and
and
I
would
have
advocated
that
at
that
time,
when
the
ordinance
was
being
changed
for
Chamberlain
that
we
could
have
added
at
least
Rick
marcott,
since
it's
an
active
construction
zone,
if
not
all
of
the
schools,
and
we
also
had
the
accident
right
outside
Dorset
street.
P
So
it
feels
like
a
missed
opportunity
and
I
just
want
to
point
it
out
and
and
ask
when
these
issues
come
up
again
at
at
a
specific
school.
If
we
can,
if
City,
councilors
or
whoever
receives
the
requests,
can
just
take
that
moment
to
zoom
out
and
check
in
with
the
school
board
or
with
our
superintendent
to
see
if
any
issue
that's
happening
at
one
school,
maybe
where
your
your
kids
go
to
school
is
more
of
a
district-wide.
P
F
N
Sure,
thank
you
so
quick
question,
I
guess
for
Tom.
It
sounds
to
me
like
with
the
way
I'm
thinking
about
it.
It's
a
roughly.
It
was
a
roughly
two-year
process
to
go
from
Principal
ruel's
letter
to
getting
the
hardware
in
place
which,
which
hasn't
quite
happened
yet,
but
we
aren't
at
two
years
away
from
the
fall
of
2021.
I
I
I
wouldn't
say
it's
uncommon
for
these
kind
of
things
to
take
a
year
or
more
to
get
through
the
process
and
just
a
point
of
clarity
when,
when
you
go
to
change
the
speed
on
a
road
that
has
to
be
backed
up
by
an
engineering
study
and
a
speed
study,
so
part
of
these
school
zones
presumably
will
be
to
lower
speed
limits
During
certain
times,
so
that
information
is
also
required
before
we
can
move
it
forward.
So
we've
got
to
go
out
and
collect
that
data.
It's
not
just
a
simple
matter.
Just
writing
it.
I
Q
Thanks,
so
just
knowing
that
these
studies
take
a
long
time
and
that
they're
really
necessary
for
these
changes
to
come
into
play,
I'm
just
curious
about
like
how
permitting
works
for
all
of
these
buildings.
If
it
was
projected,
there
was
going
to
be
one
new
building
a
year,
and
now
it's
more
like
four
new
buildings
a
year.
Q
It
seems
like
it's
not
just
schools.
That
would
be
greatly
impacted
by
that
rapid
change
and
if
studies
are
projected
on
one
building
a
year
and
then
they're
actually
building
for
a
year,
that
seems
like
I
I
would
just
like
some
explanation
as
to
what
what
the
city
or
the
steering
committee
can
do
to
make
sure
that
either
we're
getting
the
projections
we
need
before
buildings
are
going
up
or
is
there
a
way
to
slow
it
down?
Q
I'm,
not
necessarily
I'm,
very
new
to
all
of
this,
so
I'm
not
saying
that
slowing
development
down
would
be
good,
but
certainly
it
going
too
fast
is
having
these
retroactive
really
hard
negatives
on
our
community
and
so
I'm.
Just
I
don't
know
if
that
question
is
clear,
but
it
seems
to
me
that,
like
buildings
going
up
four
times
as
fast
as
all
the
studies
that
all
of
our
safety
information
is
based
on
is
a
problem.
So
is
there
any
Clarity
around
that.
I
So
in
one
respect
a
year
year
and
a
half
seems
like
a
long
time
in
the
other,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
present
this
information
or
make
these
requests
of
them
and
their
staff
once
a
year,
and
so
I
would
say
our
next
available
opportunity.
That's
what
was
done
and
as
far
as
the
planning
process
goes,
I
guess
that's
I'm,
not
sure
I'm
prepared
to
answer
you
Jesse
go.
D
Ahead
so
Chelsea
I
think
that's
really
astute
student
about
the
long-term
planning
aspects.
So
I
can
tell
you,
through
the
permitting
process
for
buildings
that
are
permitted
city-wide.
Each
building
goes
through
a
permit,
a
development
review
process
where
Tom
and
his
team
review
it
for
our
weight,
Water
and
Wastewater
implications,
traffic
implications,
Etc
public
safety
reviews
them.
We
do
on
a
K
on
a
building
by
building
basis.
Look
at
the
implications,
City
Center
is
really
different,
because
it's
all
the
buildings
in
one
place
really
fast.
D
That's
why
we
started
that
modeling
about
a
year
ago
to
make
sure
that
we
really
understood
what
was
coming
online
versus
just
the
the
land
potential
of
the
of
the
acreage.
So
we
are
looking
at
that
an
example
of
that
is,
and
often
what
that
means
is.
When
we
see
okay,
there's
going
to
be
an
implication
here,
there's
a
permit
condition
that
says
when
X
happens
in
the
development,
you
have
to
put
into
place
why
intervention
so
folks,
May
notice,
the
new
light
that
went
in
right
up
along
Tilly
drive.
Q
Sure
I'm
just
curious
what
sort
of
Permitting
conditions
were
in
place
for
a
city
center
around
like
school
safety
and
how
and
maybe
that's
getting
into
a
different
part
of
tonight's
discussion,
but
I
think
that
the
tension
here
is
that
everybody
cares
about
school
safety.
That's
obvious,
but
we're
retroactively
trying
to
prevent
really
severe
safety
problems
and
so
I'm
just
curious
if
there
are
permitting
conditions
that
can
kind
of
LeapFrog
these
studies
to
to
make
some
adjustments.
That
will
help
in
the
meantime.
Q
D
The
condition
that
was
Tom
do
you
want
to
take
this
or
no?
No,
the
the
condition
that
was
applied
for
City
Center
is
the
payment
of
impact
fees,
so
sometimes
developers
are
required
to
do
something
on
site,
sometimes
if
it's
a
specific
project
I
in
this
case
the
identification
of
traffic
and
pedestrian
State
around
city
center,
their
assessed
and
impact
fee,
so
the
developers
have
been
paying
that
that
is
a
funding
source
we
may
be
able
to
use
for
installing
any
of
the
improvements
we
need
to
make.
It
likely
won't
cover
all
of
them.
J
J
J
That
was
a
result
of
the
study
where
people
were
simply
asking
for
a
red
light
as
opposed
to
a
yellow
light
blinking,
so
that
when
people
press
the
crosswalk
sign
to
go
across
of
increasingly
and
very
busy
street,
which
is
White
Street,
that
the
light
would
turn
red.
So
that
was
the
the
initial
request
that
a
resident
had
made
to
me.
J
J
So
I
just
want
that
to
be
clear
to
people
that
at
the
initial
outset,
when
Holly
wrote
that
letter
in
Fall
of
2021,
it
was
simply
we
need
more
than
just
a
blinking
yellow
light,
because
there
are
people
zipping
through
blinking,
yellow
light
when
there's
a
crossing
guard
in
Children
and
Families
Crossing.
So
I
just
want
that
to
be
really
clear
that
it
was
an
organic
process
and
it
was
based
on
a
resident's
request.
They
addressed
it
to
me.
J
I
have
always
walked
my
children
to
school,
I
have
not
felt
unsafe
going
to
Chamberlain
school,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
This
was
not
a
let's
do
this
for
Megan
Emery
or
my
daughter
kind
of
request.
It
truly
was
coming
from
a
resident
and
there
was
no
expected
outcome.
It
was
thanks
to
the
study
that
Holly
requested
that
that
outcome
was
determined
to
be
a
school
safety
zone.
So
I
just
want
that
to
be
really
crystal
clear
for
everybody.
K
K
You
know
knowing
that
impact
fees
took
effect.
July
1st
of
this
year
at
50
percent,
I
was
just
wondering
you
know
when
we
started
that
conversation
a
year
ago,
I'm
wondering
about
the
other
sort
of
I'll
call
them
reparations,
or
you
know
what
other
supports.
Could
we
put
in
place
to
keep
up
with
the
anticipation?
K
You
know
impact
fees,
even
at
that
rate,
for
these
properties
so
wondering
you
know
how
do
we
then,
what
options
are
available
to
support
the
opening
of
school,
particularly
at
Marcotte,
given
the
development
thinking
around,
you
know,
thinking
through
that
again
back
to
Chelsea's
question
on
you
know
what
supports?
Could
we
put
in
place.
D
Sure
sure
so,
a
couple
of
things
one
the
impact
fee
I
was
referencing.
Was
the
transportation
impact
fee?
Not
the
education
impact
fee.
Different
impact
fees
to
you
know,
I
certainly
want
to
talk
about
how
we
opened
school
and
partnership
to
make
sure
all
of
our
neighbors
are
staying
safe
and
we
can
get
to
that
part
in
the
memo.
D
I
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
the
fact
that
this
city
is
enormously
benefiting
from
this
development
happening
much
faster,
so
be
if,
when
we
were
planning
on
one
new
building
coming
on
a
year
in
City
Center,
our
Tiff
modeling,
our
ability
to
repay
the
debt
that
the
city
had
incurred
to
build
out.
City
Center
was
possible,
but
it
was
going
to
take
20
years.
D
This
is
fast
tracking
our
ability
to
to
pay
off
that
debt,
which
more
quickly
returns
funding
to
the
city
coffers
and
to
the
Tiff
coffers
and
to
ultimately
the
educate,
the
State
education
fund.
So
I
just
want
to
counter
some
of
that
that
this
is
a
bad
thing,
that's
happening.
This
is
a
really
really
great
thing.
That's
happening
that
our
institutional
partners
are
investing
in
City
Center
it
will.
It
will
prove
the
health
of
our
TIF
district
for
the
next
10
years
and
into
the
future.
So.
D
Yeah
so
specifically,
we'll
know
that
when
the
data
comes
back
at
the
end
of
the
month,
and
then
we
can
talk
with
the
count,
you
know
that
we
will
bring
that
back
to
the
council
for
funding
and
we
can
move
forward
together
in
terms
of
opening
I'm
just
going
to
skip
to
three
because
I
feel
like
I,
don't
mean
to
tap
the
answer
at
it.
Sure.
E
P
P
So
I
I,
don't
like
the
notion
that
there's
that
we're
pinning
projects
against
one
another,
what
we're
simply
asking
for
is
like
Megan,
was
explaining
with
Chamberlain
looking
for
the
magic
words
and
and
I'm
just
responding
to
that
process
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
we
had
Chamberlain
so
close.
So
we
can
sort
of
mirror
that
and
understand
that
process.
P
Learn
from
that
experience,
but
I'm
trying
to
find
the
magic
words
and
I
think
my
school
board
members
here
as
well,
we're
trying
to
speak
the
city
language
and
understand
the
traffic
studies
so
that
we
can
get
traffic
mitigation
that
matches
the
fast
tracking
that's
happening
with
the
construction
and
development.
That's
all
where
our
concern
and
urgency
lies
thanks.
Okay,
yes,.
A
E
I
have
a
question
for
Tom
and
Jesse.
While
the
studies
are
ongoing
and
while
we're
collecting
that
data
there
is
construction
going
on,
do
we
have
discretion
to
set
up.
You
know
a
construction
zone
and
lower
the
speed
limit.
You
know
on
a
temporary
basis,
or
is
that
do
we
also
need
to
wait
for
that?
Like?
Can
we
do
something
on
a
temporary
basis
which
addresses
some
of
the
safety
concerns.
I
E
E
B
A
K
A
I
If
I
might
jump
in
so
I,
don't
want
to
suppose
what
the
engineers
might
say,
but
they'll
come
back
in
that
study
and
recommend,
let's
just
yes,
we
should
have
traffic
light
there.
Maybe
that's
what
it'll
say
in
the
interim.
This
would
be
a
solution.
It's
my
expectation
to
have
that
scenario
would
go
and
then
again
it's
not
a
heavy
lift
to
put
into
stop
signs
for
the
the
cost
of
that
intervention
versus
the
signal.
So.
M
K
Yeah
and
peace
and
that
safety
yeah.
We
appreciate
the
process
too
and
understand
that
that's
certainly
required
for
long-term
Solutions,
but
thanks
Andrew.
That
was
really
the
essence
of
what
we
were
trying
to
ask.
Is
you
know?
How
can
we
work
together
now
to
improve
safety
at
Marcotte,
specifically
for
the
fall,
but
certainly
at
all
of
our
campuses
as
well?
K
You
know,
knowing
that
we
have
this
active
construction
zone.
What
can
we
do
together,
and
so
so
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
stop
light,
a
temporary
stop
light
or
a
stop
sign,
but
now
I'm
hearing
that
those
temporary
recommendations
will
be
made
at
the
end
of
a
month
from
now.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
K
Q
I
K
I
Right,
it's
part
of
the
study
we're
going
to
see
what
they
have
to
say
in
it.
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
it.
I
do
think
they're
going
to
offer
up
some
ideas
and
solutions,
and
we
will
take
that
and
then
we
can
update
our
ordinance
so
that
again
in
the
example.
Maybe
it's
stop
signs.
Maybe
it's
a
four-way
stop.
We
can
update
the
ordinance,
so
we
have
a
four-way
stop
at
that
intersection.
It's
enforceable.
Okay,.
K
D
B
It's
great,
but
that
begs
the
question
that
if
the
data,
let's
say
worst
case,
the
data
comes
in
a
little
bit
late
and
we're
getting
really
close
to
August
29th
right
and
we
don't
have
we.
What
is
the
minimum
stop
Gap
measure
we
can
take?
If
it's
four
stop
signs,
what
does
city
council
need
to
do
and
how
many
days
do
we
have
to
back
up
from
August
29th
to
make
sure
that
they're
in
place
by
the
29th?
B
B
N
You
know
people
going
there
or
not
and
we're
more
or
less
in
a
reactive
mode
rather
than
in
anticipating
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
proactive
mode,
but
we're
in
a
situation
where
we're
reacting
to
hazardous
conditions
for
pedestrians
rather
than
anticipating
them
and
and
taking
action
as
it
as
it
happens.
So,
for
instance,
this
past
school
year,
things
now
on
Market
Street
are
about
the
same
as
they
were
back
in
I,
don't
know
maybe
August
of
a
year
ago.
N
F
A
Have
taken
longer
than
people
were
comfortable
with,
but
it
was
remediated
working
with
the
developer.
Now
is
your
comment
that
they
should
have
known
that
and
put
that
in
before
they
started
their
construction
or
I
mean
that's
another
I
guess
challenge
for
the
drb
right
Tim,
if
you're
gonna
require
things
that
potentially
are,
are
a
safety
issue
or
any
kind
of
issue
and
put
it
in
before
you
know
it
is.
N
Yeah
I
mean
certainly
that
you
know
that
that
path
between
the
housing
and
the
school
is
is
useful
for
those
kids.
But
what
about
the
people
who
you
know
Park
on
that
Northern
side
of
Market
Street
and
can't
get
to
their
car
through
the
sidewalk?
They
have
to
you
know.
So,
if
they're
going
to
city
hall
or
the
library
they
have
to
cross,
Market
Street
go
down
a
little
bit
and
then
cross
Market
Street
again
to
get
to
their
car.
N
N
D
Points,
that's
exactly
why
we
are
doing
the
comprehensive
City
Center
Traffic,
modeling
modeling.
That
way,
as
we
know
what's
coming
online,
we
can
plug
that
into
the
model
and
know
what's
needed,
as
things
are
being
planned
and
permitted.
So
I
think
we
are
trying
to
accomplish
exactly
what
you're
achieving
kind
of
getting
ahead
of
what
we're
seeing
on
the
ground
for
a
trafficking
for
traffic
and
safety,
and
then
the
other
thing
I,
just
because
I'm
sitting
here
looking
at
her
want
to
call
out
is
I,
know
we're
talking
about
very
Immediate
Solutions.
D
You
want
kind
of
hardware
at
intersections.
I
do
just
want
to
complement
principal
principal
McDonald
and
Tom,
and
the
developers
and
Sue
and
others
who,
while
they
didn't
install
signs,
did
a
huge
amount
of
small
course
correction
over
the
course
of
the
string
spring
to
make
make
the
perception
of
of
unsafety
in
that
intersection
go
down
yeah,
and
so,
while
there's
certainly
more,
we
can
do
together.
O
Just
make
one
call
sure:
I,
like
construction
projects,
I've
again
I've
been
at
marcott
and
watched
what
goes
on
for
four
or
five
days
other
than
the
fence
and
some
pedestrian
issues.
I,
don't
think
the
construction
project
is
contributing
to
the
traffic
issue.
The
traffic
issue
is
the
drop-off
time
high
volume
and
it's
people
getting
their
work
day
started
and
using
that
road-
and
this
is
this-
is
common.
We
worked
with
a
lot
of
developers
all
over
the
country
and
very
often
you
just
don't
get
it
right
out
of
the
box.
O
I
think
it's
good
that
we're
looking
long
range
Alex
to
address
your
point,
the
long
range
look.
We
need
a
fix
to
take
care
of
the
opening
of
school.
Yes,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
back
here
in
two
years.
Talking
about
this.
We
want
the
solution
that
works
two
years
four
years,
five
years
down
the
road,
hopefully
and
we've
it
usually
works
its
way
out.
These
folks
are
usually
very
good.
We
worked
with
a
lot
of
them,
so.
S
Hi
I
they
were,
there
were
just
a
couple
of
points
of
clarification
and,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
I'm
really
impressed
that
I
knew
the
answers
to
all
of
the
questions
because
of
people
like
Tom
and
Jesse.
People
who
have
worked
with
us
and
so
I
I
knew
the
answers
to
all
of
the
questions.
The
school
board
asked
about
how
this
is
going
to
progress.
S
So
I
feel
like
this
has
been
a
big
learning
curve
to
address
Alex's
comment
about,
so
the
situation
hasn't
changed
very
much
over
a
year.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
when
we
have
construction
when
Snyder
Holmes
came
in,
they
worked
with
me
immediately
because
there
was
a
big
difference
for
pedestrians.
Our
students
have
to
cross
the
road
six
times.
S
The
other
thing-
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
Tom-
is
the
situation
of
the
buses
trying
to
make
the
corner
to
make
the
turn
out
of
the
parking
lot,
because
Sue,
Conley
and
I
have
had
to
stop
traffic
before
they
get
to
the
intersection
to
make
sure
the
bus
can
make
that
turn.
If
we
have
a
stop
sign
or
a
traffic
signal,
if
it's
too
close
to
that
intersection,
there's
still
going
to
be
a
problem
with
the
buses
making
the
turn
with
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
So
I
was
just
wondering
Tom.
I
So
we
have
oops
sorry,
we
have
talked
about
the
buses.
We
are
looking
for
information
about
kind
of
the
Turning
radiuses
for
what
it
would
take
and
what
the
plan
was
when
that
intersection
was
initially
designed.
I,
don't
have
that
with
me
this
evening,
something
we're
trying
to
track
down
there,
but
is
my
observation
as
well
as
if
somebody
comes
to
that
stop
bar
and
a
bus
is
trying
to
turn
in
that
they
need
to
either
let
them
in,
or
you
know,
the
bus
is
turning
into
that
lane.
S
I
make
that
turn
and
then
there
you
know.
I
I
also
have
been
in
some
communication
with
people
from
Allen
Square
because
of
the
alternative
routes.
Some
people
have
tried
to
to
take
and
out
of
my
school
parking
lot
and
they
turn
into
the
Allied
Square
parking
lot.
It
was
really
helpful
to
block
off
my
parking
lot,
so
people
couldn't
do
that.
S
Tom,
when
you
close,
some
of
the
parking
spaces
for
us
and
I
just
didn't
continue
to
keep
those
I'd
have
to
make
a
change,
but
until
we
find
a
solution,
I'm
just
hoping
that
we
can
continue.
I
think
things
got
very
smooth
at
the
end
of
this
school
year
took
a
lot
of
time
and
communication,
so
I'm,
just
hoping
that
we
can
at
least
start
with
some
of
those
decisions
that
we
made
in
place
when
school
starts
again.
A
F
A
I,
don't
think
you
can
actually
award
a
school
zone
unless
you
really
have
the
plan
in
place,
so
I
I
think
it
sounds
as
if
we're
trying
to
move
forward
with
all
of
those
I
suspect.
Orchard
is
probably
less
urgent,
but
I
don't
know
it
seems
to
be
on
kind
of
a
quietest
street,
but
it's
sort
of
close
to
route.
F
A
P
If
we're
moving
off
this
agenda
item
can
I
just
make
one
final
point,
of
course,
so
the
the
heart
of
the
third
request-
I
just
don't-
want
to
lose
to
Andrew
and
Tim's
Point
earlier
it's
really
about
what
are
the
options
that
can
be
put
in
place?
What
does
City
Council
in
the
city
have,
in
particular,
since
we've
been
using
ad
hoc
volunteer
crossing
guard?
Can
we
have
a
crossing
guard
or
what
can?
P
D
School
sure
so
I
think
we've
again
it
will
depend
on
what
comes
out
of
the
data
for
the
infrastructure,
changes
per
Lisa's
point
and
I.
Don't
think
we
directly
responded
to
that
list,
I
think
at
a
bare
minimum,
which
I'm
not
saying
we're
going
to
do,
but
the
Baseline
now
is
what
we'd
established
baselines
better
than
bare
minimum.
Let's
go
with
Baseline
Baseline
is
what
we'd
establish
in
partnership
with
Lissa
at
the
end
of
last
school
year.
D
So
you
know
the
infrastructure,
the
smaller
infrastructure
changes
that
Tom
and
his
team
and
the
developer
made,
and
then
you
know
the
council
allocated
fund
balance
last
year
to
pay
across
the
guard
for
the
remainder
of
the
school
year
that
wasn't
utilized.
Thank
you
sue.
At
that
point.
There
was
a
discussion
about
whether
you
would
come
back
for
an
fy24
allocation
request
for
to
help
fund.
Your
crossing
guard
I
think
the
council
was
open
to
that.
Then
they
will
be
deciding
on
those
fund
balance
requests
in
April
and
August.
D
We
certainly
you
know
it
was
great
to
see
Sue
every
morning
she
helped
City
staff.
A
lot
too.
We
would
support
an
employee,
a
School
employee,
being
a
crossing
guard
there
and,
of
course,
our
our
Police
Department
staff
stand
by
ready
and
willing
to
train
anyone
who
is
going
to
do
that
work?
You
know
our
position,
I
think
it's
in
this
Memoir
we've
said
it
before
is
really
that,
because
of
the
extreme
coordination
that
needs
to
be
done
between
that
professional
and
Lissa
and
School
staff
that
we
would
really.
D
S
I
just
have
to
say
Jesse
that
I
tried
really
hard
to
hire
a
crossing
guard
and
nobody
in
the
community
applied
and
then
I
tried
to
pay
Sue
to
be
the
crossing
guard
and
she
remain
steadfast
at
wanting
to
be
a
volunteer
and
not
a
School
employee,
and
so
then
I
scheduled
my
day
to
be
out
there
every
afternoon,
because
it
was
a
little
more
challenging
in
the
afternoon.
So
I
I
can't
guarantee
that
I
can
hire
somebody
to
do
that
job
and
that's
part
of
the
problem.
That's
what
I
always
hope!
S
D
Thank
you
for
clarifying
and
I
certainly
did
not
mean
to
insinuate
that
you
did
not
do
an
amazing
job,
trying
to
locate
that
professional,
quite
frankly,
I
don't
to
just
be
totally
transparent.
I,
don't
see
the
solution
to
that
as
us
trying
to
hire
somebody.
You
know
it
is
very
hard
to
hire
lots
of
different
kinds
of
professions
in
the
world
right
now,
so
I
think
I'm
not
sure
we're
going
to
have
any
better
luck
at
that.
If
the
crossing
guard
is
our
employee
versus
a
School
employee.
C
Q
M
Thank
you
loud
and
clear:
yes,
Sean,
Burke,
City's
police
chief
thanks
for
having
me
so
the
way
that
we
are
positioned
in
Staffing.
There
is
no
way
that
we
could
commit
to
having
a
resource
at
any
given
spot.
During
the
day
we
have
three
officers
assigned
to
each
shift
and
their
first
role
and
responsibility
is
to
answer.
9-1-1
calls.
J
Helen,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
here,
I
do
not
know
the
status
and
my
daughter
right
now
is
entering
seventh
grade.
So
it's
not
for
my
daughter
or
for
me,
my
family,
but
there
is
not
a
crossing
guard.
She
of
16th
2023,
perhaps
they've
found
somebody
I,
don't
know
the
status,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
there
are
potentially
two
openings.
K
Don't
you
have
any
friends
yeah
this
is
this
is
a
critical
shortage
for
us
I,
wonder
you
know,
appreciate
Chief,
Burke
and
officer
Brie
and
and
all
that
they
do,
and
you
know
Chief
Burke
has
been,
you
know
fantastic
and
there
have
been
times.
I've
said:
hey
can
you
you
know
Assist
at
this
time
and
and
he
and
Brie
have
officer.
We
have
worked
to
support
that.
So
you
know
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
I,
don't
know
you
know
Staffing
wise.
K
If
there's
Staffing
is,
of
course
the
issue
and
I,
don't
know
if
there's
other
staff
that
that
might
be
available
to
help
figure.
It's
worth
asking
the
question
while
we're
at
it.
You
know
if
you've
got
any
other
folks
I,
you
know
I
certainly
understand
Chief
Burke
and
his
team
are
unable
to
support
I.
P
I
also
want
a
flag
that
I
commute
into
Burlington
every
day
and
see
the
crossing
guards
in
Burlington,
and
they
are
positioned
at
intersections.
They
are
it's
not
the
crossing
guards
job
to
stop
the
traffic.
It's
to
guide
the
traffic
and
I
think
that
there's
a
fundamental
difference
when
you're
walking
people
across
a
cross
guard
where
there
it's
already
part
of
the
flow
of
traffic
and
there's
a
red
light
and
a
green
light
versus
being
asked
to
put
yourself
out
there
to
stop
the
traffic
where
there
is
no
stop
sign
or
traffic
light.
F
A
A
S
I
have
asked
I
I
definitely
have
asked
about
that,
and
I
went
to
Alex
Allard
square
and
I
offered
to
pay
people
there.
Who
might
just
want
to
have.
You
know,
make
a
few
dollars
a
week.
I
think
the
difference
is
what
Kate
mentioned.
There's
there's
no
extra
help
you
really
on
some
days.
I
was
really
worried
for
Sue
and
myself,
like
we
really
had
to
like
people
didn't
see
us
and
we
were
standing
out
there
with
big
red
start
signs,
so
I
feel
like
people.
A
J
When
my
kids
were
at
Shameless
school,
but
with
my
dog,
they
were
incredibly
generous
and
responsible
individuals
who
did
I
would
say,
put
their
bodies
between
the
children
and
oncoming
traffic
and
I.
That's
why
you
know
that
when
that
resident
said,
couldn't
we
put
a
red
light
there
instead
of
a
blinking
yellow
light,
when
someone
presses
the
crosswalk
sign,
I
thought
that
was
a
really
good
idea,
and
apparently
it
was
a
good
enough
idea
that
you
know
it
kind
of
got
detention,
so
I
I
would
support
that
kind
of
traffic
signal.
J
H
R
R
A
O
Yeah
yeah,
we
said
some
type
of
date
where
we
get
notification
from
Tom.
What
will
be
happening
when
the
school
year
starts,
I
mean
if
the
data
comes
in
and
you
made
a
decision
to
do
something
in
the
interim
or
whatever,
but
at
least
some
type
of
maybe
three
weeks
before
school
starts
here's
the
plan.
D
P
D
K
A
D
So
I
think
I'm
going
to
kick
this
one
off,
but
then
turn
to
Pilot.
So
thank
you,
Tom.
Thank
you,
Tom.
Thank
you.
Chief
thanks
Erica,
so
Violet
and
I
had
a
really,
in
my
opinion,
exceptional
conversation
last
week
about
lots
of
things,
but
specifically
around
575
and
577
Dorset
Street,
the
fire
department
and
the
school
administrative
offices,
so
we've
developed
in
Partnership
a
kind
of
a
six-week
plan.
D
What
we
do
between
now
and
August
16th
to
consolidate
some
of
the
materials
we
have
still
at
575
and
to
make
some
other
kind
of
changes
that
will
benefit
the
employees
working
in
that
building.
Now
we
then
started
talking
about
a
longer
term
transition
into
the
school,
taking
ownership
of
that
building.
Of
course,
that's
conceptualized
and
at
least
the
council
and
the
school
board
always
thought
that
that
might
come
to
be
so.
What
we
started
talking
about
was
to
admit
to
have
that
happen.
There
are
quite
a
few
steps
we
need
to
go
through.
D
We
likely
need
a
surveyor.
We
need
to
determine
what
kind
of
trade
transfer
it
would
be,
whether
it
would
be
a
condo,
a
land
lease,
a
straight
up,
sale,
we'd
likely
need
to
think
about
a
lot
line
adjustment
and
then
how
to
separate
the
systems
that
are
currently
serving
those
buildings.
So
it's
a
chunk
of
work.
D
K
So
recently
gotten
the
news
that
Center
Point
is
having
some
programmatic,
significant
programmatic
modifications
and
what
they're
able
to
offer-
and
we
have,
for
the
first
time
ever
last
school
year,
really
significant
wait
lists
for
students
who
need
alternate
programming,
and
you
know,
as
we
use
state
and
federal
dollars
have
been.
You
know,
Jesse
and
I
discussed
that
if
the
school
were
to
take
ownership
of
575
577
with
the
exclusion
of
the
fire
department,
you
know
what
what
potential
could
exist
for
us
to.
K
It's
something
we're
looking
into
so
I
I
think
you
know
from
The
District's
perspective.
This
is
really
an
educational
decision,
centered
around
increasing
educational
programming
and
supporting
programming
through
you
know
our
facilities
so
glad
this
you
know
really
happy
to
enter
in
the
conversation
with
Jesse
I
think
we
had
a
fantastic
meeting
and
I
think
the
next
step
here,
Jesse,
you
and
I
can,
you
know,
certainly
connect,
but
I
think
we
should
set
up
a
conversation
on
on
how
to
move
forward.
K
Yeah
so
right
now
the
city
is
Jesse
and
I
did
a
walkthrough
of
the
building,
which
was
really
helpful.
You
know
finding
like
here's,
a
filing
cabinet
of
sewage
Tom's,
not
here,
but
he'd,
get
a
chuckle
about
this
thinking
about
all
of
his
sewage
plant
discussions
back
to
budgeting
days,
but
you
know,
like
a
filing
cabinet,
with
maps
on
sewage
plans
from
the
60s,
and
you
know
things
like
that
were
like
we
could
move
these
over.
K
There
were,
you
know,
there's
emergency
radios
and
a
server
and
there's
there's
the
city
has
is
occupying
pieces
of
575
and
577,
and
Jesse
and
I
talked
through
a
plan
to
sort
of
consolidate
the
city's
use
of
the
space
so
that
by
mid-august
we
could
have
the
larger
rec
room
in
575
and
the
offices
off
of
that
for
kind
of
office
space
that
wouldn't
be.
You
know
student
facing
of
course,
so
you
know
appreciate
that
timeline.
D
D
D
Sure
so
you
know
I
think
this
is
something
I
certainly
have
heard
from
the
council
and
the
community
and
in
steering
committees
before
we.
So
I
will
speak
for
a
minute,
I'm
half
the
council
to
feel
free
to
jump
in.
We
certainly
understand
that
that
there
are
some
real
Capital
needs
on
the
school
side
and
I
think
we,
as
a
city,
Side
staff,
really
want
to
be
your
Champions,
as
you
think
about
what
the
capital
investment
looks
like
over
time.
D
So
Violet
and
I
spent
some
time
talking
about
strategic,
strategically
layering
bonds
being
thoughtful
of
how
each
other
was
thinking
about
the
capacity
of
our
taxpayers
in
the
years
to
come.
Violet
was
able
to
share
some
great
information
with
me
about
kind
of
what
you
all
are
thinking
about.
That
was
really
helpful,
so
I
think
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over,
but
just
say.
In
summary,
we
want
to
help.
Let
us
know
how
we
can
help.
K
Yeah
really
appreciate
the
partnership
and
the
support
of
the
council.
You
know
I've
said
this
during
budget
time
and
I'll
say
it
again.
You
know
I
support
the
development
within
the
city
and
with
that
it
is
my
responsibility
to
ensure
that
we
are
able
to
offer
the
high
quality
of
educational
programming.
That
I
believe
is
a
huge
reason
that
folks
come
to
our
region
and
stay
in
our
region.
I
hear
this
time
and
time
again
and
so
I
do
believe
that
strong
schools
are
the
heart
of
our
community
I.
K
K
K
There
was
conversation
about
a
house
model
with
fifth
and
sixth
and
then
seventh
and
eighth
in
a
middle
school
that
was
renovated
connected
to
a
new
build
High
School
directly
to
the
east
of
the
middle
school,
and
that
was
important
because
staging
is
a
critical
element
when
we
think
about
any
facilities,
projects
wanting
to
minimize
the
educational
time
that
is
lost
or
impacted
due
to
construction.
So
this
fifth
grade
committee
came
together
and
really
early
on.
You
know
it
was
violent.
K
So
if
the
community,
you
know,
if
a
decision
is
made
on
fifth
grade
and
say
it
is
move
the
fifth
grade
to
the
middle
level,
I'll
go
with
the
the
proposed
plan
from
from
two
years
as
an
example
to
share
what
may
or
may
not
happen
based
on
this
impact
of
this
decision.
So
with
the
2020
proposal,
there
was
a
new
build
directly
attached
to
the
current
middle
school
and
this
allowed
learning
to
still
take
place
in
our
current
middle
school
and
our
current
high
school
buildings.
K
K
This
would
pretty
significantly
minimize
the
impact
of
you,
know,
trailers
or
One
Wing,
at
a
time
which
we're
all
evaluated
during
that
process
that
led
to
the
2020
Bond
as
well.
You
know
with
that.
We
know
that
we've
got
the
zems
buying
at
least
five
to
seven
years
at
the
elementary
level
buying
time
at
Orchard
and
Marcotte.
K
If
they're
is
a
decision
to
move
the
fifth
grade
to
the
middle
school,
you
know
I
think
at
that
time,
when
the
high
school
and
middle
school.
If
and
when
those
are
completed,
you
know
there
might
be
a
consideration
of
redistricting
right
now,
particularly
in
some
of
the
new
neighborhoods.
We've
got
situations
where
we
have
neighbors
living
next
to
each
other
on
one
street
and
going
to
three
different
elementary
schools.
K
So
you
know
we
could
really
minimize
the
impact
if
incoming
Pre-K
or
k,
students
hadn't,
yet
matriculated
and
you
have
say
upcoming,
planned
fifth
graders
going
to
the
middle
school
and
then
who
would
be
the
the
you
know,
upcoming
new,
the
upcoming
Sixth
and
then
fifth
graders
transitioning
at
that
time.
So
those
were
some
pieces
that
were
discussed
in
the
past.
K
Our
fifth
grade
committee
is
engaging
the
community
now
and
our
Educators
in
that
process,
and
once
that
recommendation
is
made,
then
members
from
the
fifth
grade
committee
and
I
should
share
this.
As
well,
there
were
also
members
from
the
enrollment
committee
who
brought
the
zem's
decision
forward
to
the
board
on
the
fifth
grade
committee,
and
then
we
would
be
recommending
that
members
from
the
fifth
grade
committee
be
on
an
infrastructure
committee
to
work
with
the
community
really
partner
with
city
council.
At
that
time,
around
thick
engagement
with
design
timelines.
K
We
we
know
that
we
would
need
a
pretty
significant
political
effort,
and
you
know
many
of
us
sharing
benefits
of
facilities
projects
at
that
time.
So
after
the
decision
of
fifth
grade
is
made-
and
we
you
know,
get
to
a
point
where
we
have
you
know
we're
working
with
the
community
and
we're
developing
plans
that
work.
You
know
working
to
share
that
information
with
the
community
and
and,
of
course
hear
information
back
would
be
a
really
critical
time
for
support.
Jesse
and
I
did
discuss
funding
which
was
critical.
K
The
first
time
Jesse
and
I
got
together.
We
talked
about
part
of
our
partnership
needed
to
be
a
financial
partnership
and
I
said
this.
The
other
day
at
we
had
donuts
and
discussion
where
Brian
and
Laura
shared
some
information
and
had
a
listening
session
for
parents
on
the
fifth
grade
decision,
and
you
know
what
I
said
in
that
meeting
is
that
school
safety
is
number
one.
Education
is
too,
and
finances
are
three
and
in
that
order.
K
But
another
way
that
we
can
partner
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
supporting
our
community
and
that,
as
we
work
together,
we're
not
double
bonding
in
significant
ways
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
you
know
School
bonds
are
moved
forward
and
City
bonds
are
moved
forward.
You
know,
I
definitely
felt
that
Jesse
was
able
to
share
information
about
proposed
bonds,
but
not
coming
forward
and.
K
We
discussed
to
the
rec
center.
Some
of
you
have
heard
me
say
you
know
I
of
course,
support
a
rec
center
and
really
feel
schools
need
to
be
a
priority
before
a
wreck.
Bond
again
just
not
wanting
to
compete
with
another,
and
you
know
some
of
you
in
the
audience
will
recall.
You
know
part
of
the
last
proposed
bond
that
was
brought
to
the
voters
in
2020.
Was
this
really
robust
field
house
or
what
what
could
have
elements
of
what
might
be
a
rec
center?
K
And
so
you
know,
while
during
school
hours,
we
know
that
we
cannot
have
school
facilities
that
will
be
used
by
students
also
used
by
community
at
the
same
time.
But
we
had
some
conversation
on
I
wonder
if
we
could
partner
together
to
use
to
have
school
facilities
that
are
also
available
for
public
use
and
what
could
that
look
like?
And
how
could
we
partner
on
that?
K
You
know
if
I,
financially
and
as
a
project
and
as
a
way
of
us
to
you
know,
get
Rec
opportunities
that
the
community
is
asking
for
as
well
as
improve
our
our
sports
facilities.
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
we're
kind
of
a
sports
Powerhouse
as
well
coming
from
The
Bookworm
but
yep.
So
of
course,
yes,
I.
P
P
So
when
we
think
about
needing
to
have
shelter
when
there's
tornadoes
or
flooding
or
excessive
heat,
if
we
have
up-to-date
schools
that
are
already
built
around
that
infrastructure
and
preparing
our
students
needs,
that's
really
a
need
for
the
community
and
I
say
this
is
a
taxpayer
without
without
any
kids
in
the
school
district.
So
that's
the
benefit
that
I
would
be
directly
getting
from
our
new
school
infrastructure
and
I.
Think
that
that's
one
of
the
great
ways
that
I
would
like
to
see
us
work
together.
D
K
Doran
winner
Whittier
anecdotally
shared
with
me
that
they're
working
on
some
projects
in
Massachusetts,
where
the
state
isn't
actually
allowing
Renovations
of
schools
but
they're
requiring
new,
builds
because
of
environmental
factors,
Energy
Efficiency
being
a
leading
one.
It
did
have
the
opportunity
to
tour
winooski's
new
building,
which
was
phenomenal
and
I
learned
a
lot
about
how
they
were
able
to
use.
K
F
E
In
my
own
mind,
I
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
process
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page
that
we
need
a
new
facility
and
that
we
as
a
council,
if
we,
if
we
decide
that
it's
true,
feel
that
this
is
something
we
can
Champion
with.
You
know
Full,
Hearts
and
full
souls
to
the
public,
because
the
public
was
not
sold
on
that
right
and,
and
so
for
me
to
be
in
that
position.
I
need
to
know
a
lot
more.
E
It
sounds
like
you're
you're
you're
of
the
mind
that
the
fifth
grade
decision
drives
the
decision
to
construct
a
new
school
which
that
just
feels
funny
to
me
that
that's
the
process
I
would
have
thought
the
process
would
first
be
you
know:
do
we
build
a
new
school?
What's
the
what's
the
you
know,
what's
the
infrastructure
like
what's
the
capacity
and
then
where
do
we
house,
our
kids
like
it,
just
it
maybe
you're
right?
Maybe
the
right
decision
is
where's,
the
fifth
grade,
but
it
it
feels.
E
F
K
K
K
K
The
current
conversation
is
around
fifth
grade,
but
we're
not
even
close
to
the
point
where
we
have
drawings
or
tours
or
proposals.
So
you
know
well.
I
walked
us
through
sort
of
the
process
of
what
happened
leading
to
the
2020
Bond.
My
point
was
to
say:
we
need
to
re-engage
in
thick
processes
similar
to
that
where
it
would
absolutely
take
everyone
in
this
room
and
more
to
be
fully
informed
and
to
share
that
with
the
community.
K
So
wouldn't
expect,
wouldn't
expect
you
to
be
there
at
this
point
in
time,
because
we
don't
know
what
is
going
to
be
the
recommendation
or
what
that
would
look
like,
but
we
do
know
you
know:
we've
been
ranked
by
the
state
of
Vermont,
as,
as
being
you
know,
targeted
for
great
need
at
the
high
school
for
facilities
improvements.
We
know
that
we're
going
to
have
capacity
issues
at
the
middle
school
very
soon,
and
we
know
that
we've,
you
know
just
put
a
Band-Aid
on
the
elementary
issues,
so
you
know
I
do
think.
K
O
C
O
Be
quick,
it's
in
it's
right
now
involved
in
the
discussion
around
buildings,
but
it
is
not
a
building
decision.
It
we're
driving
this
as
an
education
position.
Where
is
the
best
place
for
fifth
grade
students,
so
it's
student-centric,
it's
outcome
driven!
It's
not
because
way.
We
may
have
some
capacity
in
this
building
and
we
would
have
to
spend
less
over
here
to
accommodate
them.
That
is
not
the
plan
we
haven't
even
talked
buildings
in
that
group.
We're
strictly
talking
about.
We've
looked
at
the
configurations
of
grade
fives
across
the
state.
Where
are
they
you
know?
O
B
I
think
that
that
I'm
going
to
say
that
the
school
board
is
taking
a
very
bold
move
and
I'm
thankful
that
you've
said
those
words
out
loud
because
they
haven't
been
said
out
loud
as
far
as
I
know
for
years
right,
where
they
could
have
been
contemplated
back
as
far
as
2016
and
you've
also
said,
the
word
possible
redistricting
right,
which
is
another
bold
thing
to
say,
which
I
think
has
been
has
not
been
stated
in
a
long
time
for
various
reasons.
Right,
so
I'm
really
glad
that
you've
started
the
path
down.
B
G
Sorry,
you've
been
quiet
tonight,
no
I
I,
one
thing
that
I
heard
Violet
and-
and
please
correct
me-
don't
please
don't
let
me
put
words
in
anyone's
mouth,
but
there
I
do
again.
I
I
think
our
I
agree
with
you
that
our
schools
are
a
tremendous
resource.
I
think
they're,
a
key
driver
for
our
community
and
I
think
that's
something
that
it's
imperative
that
that
we
we
retain.
We
enhance
our
proud
tradition
of
having
exceptional
schools.
G
G
In
this
sense
and
I'm
not
saying
we
should
rush
to
judgment,
but
we're
we're
we're
already
in
in
certain
areas
of
the
school
in
particularly
at
Central
we're
already
at
capacity
we've,
we've
taken
great
strides
and
I
think
I'm
very
proud
of
the
work
and
Kudos
that
we've
done
to
all
of
you
who,
who
work
so
hard
to
find
Solutions
with
these
these
modular
units.
But
if
I
heard
you
correctly,
these
bills
have
a
finite
lifespan
of
five
to
seven
years.
Is
that.
K
100
years,
okay,
the
could
you
hear
that
the
the
zems
can
have
a
hundred
span?
100
Year
span
life.
Should
the-
and
this
is
you
know,
new
learning
for
me
in
construction?
Should
the
piles
that
they're
placed
on
being
the
Associated
with
the
foundations
be
non-galvanized.
However,
we
have
to
go
galvanized
at
Marcotte
TBD
at
Orchard,
so
we're
looking
at
about
85
years
likely
for
these
zems
they're
movable.
So
we
could
use
the
zems
for
staging,
if
necessary,
for
to
support
middle
and
or
High
School
transitions.
K
K
Impact
fees
being
tied
to
you
know
the
the
physical
infrastructure
in
this
case-
and
you
know
the
you
know
well
Andrew's
comment-
was
we
need
more
engagement,
I
I,
fully
agree
with
that
and
to
your
point
Tyler,
it
is.
The
time
is
of
the
essence.
You
know
we
do
have
the
over
enrollment
right
now
at
two
of
our
elementary
schools
and
those.
K
You
know
our
greatest
enrollment
increases
actually
at
the
middle
school
yesterday
with
the
sixth
grade
cohort,
bringing
50
new
students
to
that
building,
and
so
we
know
that
quickly
we
will
need
Middle,
School
Solutions,
significant
modifications.
Right
now,
we've
been
you
know:
we've
had
to
change
the
way
that
we
offer
physical
education
programming,
so
we're
having
a
curriculum,
a
learning
impact,
because
we
don't
have
gym
spaces
to
accommodate
all
of
our
students,
we're
serving
school
lunches
earlier
and
later
in
the
days
which
impact
how
students
learn.
K
You
know
a
10
35
a.m
lunchtime
is
going
to
impact
how
a
middle
schooler,
who,
if
they're
anything
like
me,
has
starved
at
all
times
of
the
day.
I,
don't
think
Tim's
ever
walked
into
my
office
when
I'm
not
having
a
snack
I
get
to
eat
lunch
with
someone
every
day.
It's
great,
but
my
point
being
I
mean
those
have
we're
already
experiencing
at
the
middle
level
and
certainly
the
elementary
levels.
K
These
space
challenges
the
high
school
not
yet,
but
the
high
school
is
the
most
deteriorated
physical
plant,
so
so
yeah.
We
absolutely
need
to
have
the
conversations
with
thick
engagement.
This
is
you
know
we
can
certainly
learn
from
the
failed
2020,
Bond
I
think
lack
of
community
I'm,
not
blaming.
First
of
all,
you
know
I
want
to
thank
everyone
who
worked
on
that
and
if
there's
one
thing
that
I
have
learned
in
my
short
tenure
here,
it's
that
you
know
we.
K
We
need
to
always
communicate
more
and
better
and
differently
and
have
thicker
engagement
and
I
think
to
re-engage
the
community
on
any
facilities
Bond.
Yes,
we
need
support
now
and
we're
grateful
that
the
community
provided
that
with
the
zems
and
we
really
need
support.
As
you
said,
you
know,
certainly
in
the
next
five
years,
if
we're
sitting
here
and
we're,
you
know,
we
have
a
bond
for
that's,
been
approved
for
middle
and
high
school.
That
would
be
exciting,
so
I
will
seek
an
enrollment,
an
updated
enrollment
forecast.
K
This
fall
as
I
did
last
year
and
will
continue
to
track
enrollment
carefully,
but
that
is
a
big
driving
data
source
for
us
is
first
of
all
the
city,
the
state
routers
assessment
of
our
facilities
and
then
the
enrollment
by
the
numbers
of
course
associated
with
development.
So
yeah
and
thanks
for
you,
know
just
kind
of
sharing,
highlighting
that
that
piece
of
it
to
Tyler.
G
First,
the
zems
are
an
incredibly
if
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
the
zems
are
an
incredibly
creative
and
thoughtful
approach
that
provide
us
a
lot
of
flexibility,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we're
looking
at
it
strictly
through
the
lens
of
of
the
educational
experience
first,
they
they
do
yield
some
compromises
and
they're.
Not
in
that
sense,
it's
perhaps
not
a
long-term
sustainable
solution
again,
if
we're
looking
at
it
strictly
through
the
legend
lens
of
the
educational
experience.
So
in
that,
in
that
sense,
what
I'm
hearing
is?
G
G
I
think
as
we
just
I
I
don't
profess
to
know,
but
from
what
we
heard.
The
crowding
issues
that
we
have
at
already
in
some
of
the
schools
are
already
starting
to
impact.
How
what
the
educational
experience
is
like
what
I
just
heard
from
Violet
was
again
that
you
know,
let's
lunch
times
are
being
adjusted.
J
Ed,
but
she
was
talking
about
the
Middle
School
s
want
that
to
be
very
clear
if
I
understood
correctly
and
I.
Would
please
correct
me
if
I
am
misunderstanding,
but
from
my
understanding
is
that
lunches
and
she
was
talking
about
the
middle
school
but
and
we
also
have
I
believe
three
lunches
the
gender
and
forward
the
state
has
done
that
and
I
just
simply
want
to
say
that,
as
someone
did
say
very
publicly,
that
I
would
be
very
happy
if
the
the
schools
were
determined
that
it
was
necessary.
J
J
You
know
very
clearly
discussed
and
I
certainly
don't
want
any
kind
of
innuendo
about
how
educational
experiences
being
diminished
because
of
the
use
of
the
sense
I
I
have
full
confidence
that
our
school
district
already
vetted,
that
and
determined.
That
was
that
first
priority.
After
school
safety
that
that
was,
that
was
met
and
I.
Furthermore,
just
really
want
to
say
that
something
that
I've
read
in
the
Vermont
Digger
is
you
know
now
that
we
have
our
neighbor
Burlington
having
to
pay
for
a
new
high
school.
Is
that
or
their
their
children
are
being
educated
involved?
J
But
in
addition
to
that,
they're
having
to
refund
police
officer
positions
and
other
challenges
that
have
created
I
would
say
a
real
bind,
because
people
are
being
outpriced
in
Burlington
and
I.
You
know
just
reading
the
tea
leaves
that
I
have
access
to
about
what
happened
in
2020..
It
was
being
the
fear
of
being
uprised.
The
fear
of
you
know
maintaining
one
of
our
core
values
as
a
community
which
is
making
this
a
place
where
everyone
can
afford
to
live
and
we're
still
working
towards
that
goal.
J
It's
not
something
that
I
would
say,
we've
attained
in
so
I
just
want
to
keep
that
out
there
that
these
M's
are
not
only
a
creative
solution.
They
are
meeting
several
goals
that
includes
top
educational
experience,
which
all
three
of
my
children
have
had
there
as
well
as
working
towards
that.
That
goal
of
being
sustainable
community
in
terms
of
how
much
are
paid
taxes
and
I
just
want
to
applaud
the
school
board
for
that
decision.
I
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
fear
of
the
unknowns.
You
know.
J
A
A
E
This
license
to
treat
this
as
a
little
bit
of
a
working
group
session,
because
I've
not
thought
about
this
before
I
just
want
to
throw
something
out,
and
it
may
be
a
ridiculous
idea
when
I
grew
up
the.
What
we
call
the
elementary
school
was
grades,
one
through
six,
the
junior
high
was
well.
It
was
seven
through
nine
and
the
high
school
was
10
11
12.
E
K
Yeah,
so
thanks
for
all
the
conversation,
though,
that
exact
conversation
that
that
configuration
and
many
other
were
discussed,
leading
up
to
the
2020
Bond
vote,
we
certainly,
you
know,
want
to
reopen
those
with
the
community
to
and
and
absolutely
the
council
to
share
what
that
looked
like
and
the
drawbacks
or
the
pro.
You
know
the
pros
and
cons
of
of
all
of
these
models,
and
then
you
know
go
through
a
process
where
the
community
ultimately
brings
One
Design
forward.
K
It'd
be
great
to
have
you
on
this
evening:
yeah
yeah
yep,
and
a
lot
of
conversation
around
that
you
know
there's
again,
we've
made
no
decisions
have
been
made.
Nothing
is
off
the
table.
I
can
share.
You
know
there
is
a.
There
was
I,
think
a
fair
amount
of
community
feedback
around
elementary
schools
being
really
Community,
Based
and
really
neighborhood
based.
P
And
cons
can
I
just
add
to
another
piece
that
we
haven't
really
touched
on.
Tonight
is
where
we
were
at
with
our
bond
for
this
year,
which
is
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
delayed
and
deferred
and
untouched
maintenance,
and
so
what
we're
looking
at
with
most
of
our
buildings
from
the
60s,
particularly
the
middle
and
high
school,
as
we
survey
and
inventory
and
go
through,
what's
been
done
in
2018
2020
about
fixing
what
we
have
do
we
continue
to
fix
what
we
have
this,
this
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
this
question.
P
I
think
that
this
is
the
question
yeah,
do
we
fix
what
we
have
or
is
it
more
cost
efficient
to
build
new,
and
so
we
we
haven't
done
a
lot
of
the
maintaining.
What
we
have
I
think
we've
had
a
lot
deferred,
and
so
that
makes
that
price
tag
of
just
maintaining
the
buildings
that
we
have
higher
and
higher.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
in
as
we
talk
about
potential
for
new,
it's
also
taking
care
of
what
we
have.
K
K
Those
are
really
excellent
spaces
for
education,
so
to
just
make
sure
the
record
is
clear
on
that:
I
think
they're,
fantastic
learning
spaces
again,
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
space
mirroring
those
in
our
buildings,
and
we
do
have
you
know,
certainly
challenges
with
cafeterias
and
and
the
at
the
elementary
and
the
middle
level.
The
gym
example
predominantly
at
the
middle
school
at
this
time,
thanks.
A
There's
a
lot
of
pluses
and
minuses
about
everything
you
know
I
taught
in
an
element
in
a
middle
school
that
was
five
through
eight
and
I
loved
it
and
I
thought
it
was
a
terrific
learning
environment,
so
I
mean,
but
that
goes
back
a
ways.
So
maybe
it's
out
of
sync
now
to
have
that.
But
anyway
it's
a
conversation
that
the
community
needs
to
have
and
certainly
will
and
I'm
glad
you're
embarking
on
sort
of
being
in
some
ways,
courageous
enough
to
bring
up
issues
that
had
been
discussed
and
shot
down.
A
As
the
elected
city
leaders,
for
you
know,
what's
really
important
for
our
community,
so
we're
ready
to
work
with
you
I
think
we
always
have
been
so
we
can
go
forward
with
that
and
I
don't
want
to
forget
still
having
some
kind
of
dinner,
so
I'm
we'll
work
on
that
in
late,
August
or
September
or
something
food.
Yes,
I
can
always
get
Tim
involved.
A
A
Right,
well
then,
let's
not
set
it
now
we
can.
We
can
come
up
with
a
time
when
everyone
can
tell
us
what
their
schedules
are
and
okay,
what
works?
I
just
didn't
want
to
forget
that
I
think
it
would
be
really
good
to
break
bread
and
have
some
other
conversations
too
I
mean
you
can
really
have
some
freewheeling
conversations
because
we've
all
been
in
schools,
so
we
all
know
about
them
right.