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A
E
This
evening,
I
come
as
the
trustee
at
Community
Lutheran
Church,
which
is
located
at
1560,
Williston
Road,
and
if
those
those
of
you
who
may
not
be
aware,
there's
the
beginnings
of
a
tent
encampment
in
the
woods.
That's
right
behind
the
church,
property,
Victor
I
think
it's
Victory
Lane
and
Williston
Road.
E
It's
been
there
for
approximately
eight
weeks.
There's
I
think
there's
three,
approximately
three
people
in
the
one
tent,
that's
a
it's
quite
a
large
area.
It's
more
than
one
tent.
It's
one
group
of
people,
the
main
access
to
the
encampment
goes
right
through
the
property
at
the
Lutheran
Church
through
the
parking
lot
and
our
main
building.
That's
the
main
axis,
not
necessarily
myself,
but
other
people.
In
our
our
church,
we've
talked
to
the
fire
department,
the
police
department,
I've
called
9-1-1.
E
In
fact,
last
week,
I
called
9-1-1
because
there's
this
huge
fire
going
on
and
the
answer
to
me
was
well,
they
don't
really
need
a
permit.
It's
been
okay,
it's
okay
for
him
to
have
a
fire.
I
know:
I've
only
been
going
to
church
for
a
little
over
a
year,
but
I
know
that
if
we
have
a
tent,
we
have
to
get
a
permit
to
put
a
tent
up
on
our
property.
E
If
we
have
a
fire,
we
have
to
have
the
fire
department
come
out,
take
a
look
at
it
see
if
it's
not
too
close
to
the
building.
Whatever
none
of
that's
happening
here,
no
fire
permit,
no
temp,
permit
I.
Think
everybody's
frustrated.
A
bigger
issue
is
I,
know,
there's
a
dog
ordinance
in
South
Burlington.
They
have
to
clean
up
there
for
your
dogs,
but
at
this
tent
encampment
I,
don't
think
anybody's
cleaning
up
after
the
sanitary
conditions
are
deplorable.
E
Really,
when
you
think
about
it
that
this
is
happening
in
South
Burlington,
so
we
as
a
church,
we
certainly
I,
don't
necessarily
think
it's
a
church
issue
I
think
it's
a
city
issue.
We
don't
have
the
resources,
the
money,
resources
or
whatever
to
try
to
handle
this.
Our
one
concern
is
too
that
there's
one
group
of
people
there
now
something's
not
done
in
the
near
future.
It's
been
going
on
for
a
couple
months.
Now,
there's
going
to
be
another
encampment,
another
one,
another
one.
E
E
E
We
also
obviously
have
some
safety
concerns
without
making
too
many
assumptions,
I'm
going
to
say
that
maybe
some
of
the
individuals
in
these
tent
things
may
have
some
other
issues
going
on
in
their
lives
and
that's
a
concern
to
us
in
terms
of
mental
illness
and
so
forth,
and
the
amount
of
gang
tags
and
so
forth.
As
from
being
the
parks
being
on
the
parks
committee
and
being
the
chair,
we've
gone
around
to
different
parks
and
seen
a
number
of
gang
tags
and
stuff
that
are
up
throughout
our
parks
and
I.
E
Just
think
some
of
that's
coming
from
these
kinds
of
individuals,
I,
don't
see
a
resolution
at
this
point.
It's
been
going
on
for
two
months:
I,
don't
it
we've
talked
to
police
and
fire
whatever
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
going
anywhere,
and
it's
quite
frustrating
and
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
gonna
get
better.
F
A
D
D
D
Since
that
time,
police
and
our
community
outreach
team
through
Howard
mint
Health,
has
been
working
with
these
individuals
to
try
and
get
them
access
to
services
and
permanent,
secure
and
safe
housing.
Those
conversations
were
going
very
well
for
a
number
of
weeks,
and
we
thought
that
there
was
some
some
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
to
ensure
that
these
folks
were
as
safe
and
as
supported
as
they
could
be
by
our
community.
They
have
now
indicated
that
they
are
have
no
in
inclination
to
leave.
D
The
tools
that
we
have
at
our
disposal.
Right
now
is
to
find
folks
for
camping
on
city
property.
That's
not
going
to
be
hugely
effective,
so
the
chief
and
I
would
like
to
bring
forward
to
the
council
encampment
policy
that
will
outline
steps.
We
need
to
take
to
remove
folks
from
public
land
that,
as
you
may
know,
the
policy
will
protect
our
resources,
our
city
land,
but
also
the
city's
liability.
As
you
might
know,
from
just
reading
the
media.
D
There
have
been
several
cases
like
this
across
the
country
that
have
ended
up
in
very
significant
lawsuits,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
policy
in
place
it's
blessed
by
the
council
and
we're
doing
it
correctly.
So,
if
I
see
some
head
nods
around
the
screen
in
the
table,
the
chief
and
I
are
prepared
to
bring
that
back
to
you
in
a
at
a
future
meeting.
Okay.
D
E
To
again
it's
been
going
on,
I,
don't
see
an
end
to
it.
It's
going
to
get
worse
and
I,
don't
see
anything.
You
know,
I
I
understand
it's
difficult
on
your
part,
but
it's
also
in
our
backyard
and
I
know.
There's
residents
on
the
street
behind
the
woods
and
Rod
that
I
know
they've
called
as
well
to
to
City
Hall
and.
E
A
E
D
We've
heard
from
many
I've
talked
to
many
many
residents
about
this.
Our
police
are
doing
directed
patrols,
our
fire
department,
as
you
know,
is
there
a
lot.
These
are
folks
that
we
are
trying
to
maintain
relationships
with
to
to
contain
the
the
issue.
While
we
put
into
place
the
policy,
we
need
to
undo
it.
Okay,.
H
Is
that
looking
at
the
minutes
of
the
dog
committee
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
planned
work
to
try
to
improve
some
of
the
drainage?
And
there
was
one
load
of
sand-
it
was
brought
in
sometime
this
summer,
appreciate
the
efforts
I,
just
I
I'm,
getting
frustrated
just
watching
it
being
ignored
and
I.
Don't
know
why
it's
continually
pushed
to
the
back
burner,
but
it's
frustrating
there's
a
lot
of
apartment
buildings
in
this
area.
This
is
also
the
transit
overlay,
District,
the
city
council.
H
The
Planning
Commission
want
to
put
all
the
housing
and
people
don't
have
big
yards
Etc
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
a
lot
of
dogs
out
there.
So
I
just
hope
that
somebody
at
city
council
can
spearhead
this,
because
it
hasn't
been
happening,
being
sort
of
shuttled
back
and
forth
between
Public
Works
and
wreck
and
the
different
dog
committees,
and
all
that
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
You
guys
know
what
to
do.
I
talk
to
the
staff
people,
but
I.
H
Just
somebody
needs
to
take
this
by
the
horn,
because
it's
it
just
keeps
dragging
on
and
it's
quite
frustrating
and
it
it.
It
hurts
as
a
resident
of
the
city.
I
feel
like
our
section
of
the
city
is
ignored
and
it's
frustrating
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
related
to
that
issue.
Second,
one
is
more
of
a
question,
and
maybe
one
of
the
counselors
can
address
it
in
their
updates
I'm
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
what's
happening
with
the
charter
change
committee.
H
H
A
H
H
I
D
H
A
J
J
J
That's
insane,
that's
3
900
miles
of
driving
for
one
half
hour
of
leaf
flowing,
and
there
are
other
studies
that
have
backed
this
up.
It's
not
just
one,
so
you,
the
EPA,
the
American
Academy
of
Pediatrics,
the
National
Institute
of
Health
Sciences,
the
American
Lung,
Association
and
others
have
all
issued
statements
about
the
harm
associated
with
these
machines.
J
Hundreds
of
other
cities
and
towns
have
also
taken
action.
Banning
them
does
not
present
an
undue
burden
on
anyone,
gas-powered
leaf
blowers
and
string.
Trimmers
are
not
essential.
They're
not
like
lawn
mowers,
which
some
may
consider
essential,
but
just
the
gas
powered
leaf
blowers
and
string
trimmers
alone.
People
can
do
without
or
they
can
use
the
electric
ones
they're,
not
that
expensive
to
replace
and
I
understand
that
most
of
the
recommendations
in
the
cap
will
understandably
take
some
time
to
put
into
place.
This
is
one
of
those
actions
that
can
actually
be
adopted
relatively
quickly.
J
K
C
Welcome
thank
you.
I'm
Susan
saberstein
I
live
at
36
Pheasant
Way
in
South
Burlington
I'm,
here
to
support
what
Kayla
said
and
I
want
to
follow
up
from
a
personal
perspective,
about
more
of
a
emotional
perspective
about
these
machines
as
living
in
a
neighborhood
where
there
they
seem
to
have
been
proliferated
tremendously
over
the
past
decade.
C
They
blast
through
the
neighborhood,
creating
a
severe
impact
as
far
as
quality
of
life,
it's
impossible
to
talk
outside
the
fumes
Escape
over
to
throughout
the
neighborhood
they
just
today
there
was
a
two-person
crew
working
across
the
street
from
my
home
impossible
to
work
outside.
While
this
crew
was
working,
we
ended
up
putting
on
noise
protectors
and
curtailing
what
we
had
to
do.
C
So
it's
really
in
addition
to
the
environmental
and
climate
change,
impacts,
its
equality
of
Life
issue
for
community
I,
also
as
a
family
practice,
physician
I
find
it
heartbreaking
and
alarming
to
watch
Cruise
working
without
hearing
protection
and
fume
protection
as
far
as
their
health
risks
and
I
think
it's
time
that
we
stand
up
and
stop
this
unnecessary
and
harmful.
Trend
I
urge
the
city
council
to
act
on
the
issue
for
the
health
safety,
environmental
reasons
that
have
been
discussed
thanks.
Thank.
L
A
I
Yeah
our
next
meeting
is
this
Wednesday
at
four
and
the
committee
has
received,
as
has
the
council
a
letter
from
former
School
Board
directors
in
support
of
increasing
the
number
of
school
board
directors
from
five
to
seven.
So
I
know
that
the
charter
Review
Committee,
will
be
interested
to
know
what
the
council's
feelings
on
that
matter.
D
I
I
Keep
going
no
I
was
just
going
to
say:
that's,
that's,
basically
it
well
I
I,
guess
the
last
meeting.
It
was
also
kind
of
curtailed
we're
going
to
be
hearing
from
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
regarding
their
Express
desire,
not
to
increase
the
number
of
planning
Commissioners,
so
I
I
will
hold
off
on
on
that
discussion,
but
that
was
something
that
the
the
charter
Review
Committee,
had
discussed
at
its
last
meeting
and
received.
I
M
Yes,
I
have
I,
have
a
couple,
so
I
attended
the
the
BCA
meeting
on
the
20th,
where
we
gave
the
report
on
the
inspection
of
124
Technology
Park,
and
we
voted
on
the
on
the
final
value
for
the
assessment
and
turn
that
over
to
the
city
clerk
and
there.
And
then
we
also
did
some
more
election
training
and
review
on
the
machines.
M
M
He
was
taking
Pat
Blizzard's
place,
I
think
for
this
one
time,
as
you
can
imagine
you
know,
the
drop
in
the
overall
stock
indexes
have
affected
lots
of
pension
plans
around
the
country,
including
ours,
but
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
rally.
You
know
the
day
before
the
meeting,
so
he
said
if
we
went
and
took
a
snapshot
right
now.
It
would
be
better
by
this
much
so,
but
the
the
committee
decided
not
to
take
any
action.
M
F
I
also
want
to
talk
about
just
how
happy
I
was
to
see
dogs
in
the
wheeler
Park
I
mean
it
really
all
the
work
that
so
many
people,
especially
the
committee
for
common
area
dogs,
put
into
making
that
happen
and
all
the
staff.
It's
just.
It's
wonderful
to
see
dogs
running
free
for
those
of
people,
and
there
are
many
of
you
as
as
Dan
pointed
out,
including
myself-
that
don't
have
a
yard
in
need.
This
is
the
only
place
where
our
dogs
can
run
without
a
leash.
F
F
Where
you
went
back
in
March
or
two
years
ago
may
not
be
where
you
go
tomorrow,
you
may
be
going
to
City
Hall
if
you
live
in
certain
areas,
so
please
be
patient
with
that,
and
the
other
thing
is
you:
everyone
was
mailed
to
ballot.
You
should
bring
your
ballot
to
your
polling
place.
That
is
your
official
ballot.
Now,
if
you've
lost
it
or
you
didn't
get
it,
you
can
still
vote,
but
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
you
need
to
register
file
a
missing
ballot
report.
F
A
Thank
you,
okay,
Thomas
here
and
I.
Don't
have
anything
to
report.
I've
been
away
on
a
wonderful
trip,
but
I'm
back
and
fully
engaged
and
I
did
attend
a
natural
resources
and
open
space
committee
meeting
or
conservation
committee
meeting
the
other
night,
but
I
don't
think
there
really
was
anything
to
report
they're
working
hard
on
different
items,
but
but
that
nothing
is
concluded
at
this
point
to
bring
forward
okay,
Jesse.
D
Great
thanks
so
election
day
bring
your
ballots
vote
polling
places.
Yes,
all
of
that
also.
For
that
reason,
the
senior
center
is
the
polling
place
for
those
who
now
vote
at
City
Hall.
So
the
senior
center
is
closed
actually
for
the
whole
week
to
enable
voting,
set
up
and
take
down
and
then
deep
cleaning.
So
just
heads
up
about
that
I
want
the
council
to
know.
I
did
meet
with
let's
grow
kids.
Last
week
they
had
some
really
interesting
ideas.
D
If
the
council
should
choose
to
allocate
arpa
funds
to
support
child
care
capacity,
so
I'll
bring
those
forward
to
you
at
your
November
30th
meeting.
They
also
outlined
how
the
city
as
a
whole
could
sign
on
to
their
campaign,
so
I
will
also
bring
that
forward.
Based
on
past
conversations
with
the
council,
wheeler
dog
park
is
opening.
I
do
want
to
give
you
a
heads
up
that
the
FY
24
budget
development
is
proving
very
challenging.
D
Cola
right
now,
September
to
September
is
7.2
percent.
As
we
all
know,
cost
of
goods
and
services
is
increasing.
Staff
have
identified
a
number
of
areas
where
we
have
not
kept
up
with
our
capacity
to
fund
core
Services
resources,
and
we
are
trying
to
build
out
some
recommendations
around
recently
adopted
policies,
specifically
the
climate
action
plan.
So
we
are
looking
at
bringing
you
on
December
5th,
several
different
options
for
the
council
to
consider
during
the
budget
process,
but
just
a
heads
up
those
those
numbers
are
going
to
be
bigger
than
in
past
years.
D
Also,
given
that
ccpsa,
the
Jenning
County
Public
Safety
Authority,
is
struggling,
the
board
is
struggling
to
figure
out
how
we
move
forward
in
a
year
where
budget
numbers
are
so
big
and
where
we
know
we
need
added
Financial
capacity
to
start
up,
because
we
have
to
start
up,
but
we
have
to
stand
up
a
Dispatch
Center,
while
all
of
our
other
dispatch
centers
are
still
operating.
So
there
are
added
costs
associated
with
that.
So
I'm
going
to
put
that
on
your
next
Council
agenda.
D
To
give
you
a
full
update
on
that
and
then
finally,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
council
and
the
community.
Our
executive
team
is
down
to
staff
at
the
moment
with
a
third
coming
at
the
end
of
the
month.
We
are
holding
it
down,
but
struggling.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
patience
as
we
get
through
and
fill
those
vacancies.
A
I
got
right:
okay,
thank
you.
Consent
agenda.
There
are
eight
items:
the
disbursements,
approval
of
minutes
from
September
19th
27th,
a
joint
meeting
with
a
Planning
Commission
October
3rd
and
October
17th
city
council
meeting
receiving
the
September
financials
approving
the
arpa
Housing
Trust
Fund
Grant
agreement
to
Summit
AT
O'brien
farm
and
authorize
the
city
manager
to
execute
that
approve.
A
The
loan
documents
related
to
the
Vermont
community
development
program,
Grant
award
to
Summit,
AT
O'brien
and
authorize
the
city
manager
to
sign
all
related
documents,
approval
of
Road
impact
fee
credit
requests
for
construction
at
303,
Market,
Street
and
112
Garden
Street
approve
application
for
a
U.S
Department
of
Transportation,
strengthening
mobility
and
revolutionizing
transportation,
Grant
to
Pilot
adaptive
technology
and
finally,
authorize
the
city
manager
to
execute
a
replacement.
A
revocable
offer
of
dedication
related
to
the
O'brien
Farm
Road,
so
I
would
entertain
a
motion
for
approval.
N
F
Could
I
just
call
out
a
couple
things
if
that's
okay,
one
is
and
I
and
I
know
this
is
accurate,
I
mean
I'm,
assuming
it's
accurate,
but
it
just
it.
Just
blew
me
away
from
Chief
lock
that
they've
maintained
minimum
Staffing
24
7
for
the
entire
first
quarter
of
the
fiscal
year
great,
but
the
members
of
the
fire
department
worked
4
000
hours
of
overtime
and
last
fiscal
year.
F
They
worked
a
total
of
six
thousand
hours
of
overtime,
that's
a
remarkable
strain
on
an
essential
Workforce
and,
as
we
think
about
budgets
and
the
Colo
going
up
and
new
positions,
new
building
inspectors,
I'd
like
to
just
call
out
our
fire
department
and
for
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
they
do
above
and
beyond
to
make
sure
we're
safe,
I.
Just
couldn't
believe
that
number
and
I
expect
that
that's
what
we're
going
to
have
and
those
costs
associated
with
that
safety,
Public
Safety,
is
what
we're
going
to
have
for
the
next
three
quarters.
F
That's
astounding
and
thank
you
to
Chief
Locke
and
all
the
firefighters
for
all
the
work
they
do.
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to
call
out
is
D
and
H.
I
may
be
getting
a
little
retrospective,
a
little
sentimental
here,
but
I
remember
being
a
young
development
young
member
of
the
development
review
board
when
the
O'brien
family
brought
forth
the
proposal
to
bring
one
of
the
largest
developments
that
South
Burlington
has
ever
had,
and
it
was
a
massive
task
that
Ray
Albrecht
at
the
time
and
no
Ray
Ray
shoot
I've
already
forgotten
his
name.
F
Ray
Bellaire
Ray,
Bellaire
and
Paul
in
the
team
at
the
development
review
board
seven
years
ago,
when
we
looked
at
that
spot
of
land
and
now
we're
seeing
two
major,
affordable,
big,
a
affordable
housing
units
and
the
the
new
road,
the
Old
Farm
Road.
That
will
be
diverted
that
came
about
because
of
the
development
review
board,
the
city
staff,
the
O'brien
family
and
the
neighbors
agreeing
what
would
be
best
for
the
traveling
public
I'm.
Just
happy
I'm,
happy
and
I
like
to
call
out
when
things
work
and
work.
Well,
we
should
recognize
it.
So.
A
A
And
nine,
eight
and
nine,
so
it's
not
just
me:
Tom
is
Gonna
Come
and
we
have
Megan
and
Tim
on
online.
So
we
do
have
three
counselors
here
at
the
moment,
so
we
have
a
7
PM
public
hearing
on
an
ordinance
to
regulate
fuels
for
heating
and
hot
water
in
new
construction
and
Colin
McNeil.
Our
City
attorney
has
the
floor.
M
M
O
Thank
you
so
so
we're
here
on
a
second
reading
of
your
public
heating
ordinance
as
as
we've
been
calling
it
we're
open
for
an
open
hearing.
One
suggestion
I
make
is
I
should
make.
Is
that
under
our
Charter
it
requires
before
the
public
hearing
we
either
read
the
ordinance
in
full,
or
you
waive
the
reading
and
just
read
it
by
title
and
that's
required
by
vote.
So
I
would
just
recommend
that
you
take
a
quick
vote
just
to
recommend
that
we.
A
O
O
O
We
took
it
a
step
further
based
on
your
recommendation
to
also
have
it
address
hot
water
heating
systems,
but
this
ordinance
allows
for
a
a
waiver
if,
if
it's
based
on
economic
grounds-
and
it
also
allows
for
a
a
two-year
waiver
for
multi-family
commercial
and
Industrial
from
the
hot
water
heating
provisions
and
requirements
of
the
ordinance,
it
would
go
into
effect
in
February.
So
there'd
be
a
Runway
of
about
three
months.
O
If
you
were
to
pass
it
tonight,
but
it
would
require
all
new
buildings
that
are
apply
for
permits
or
have
a
whose
permit
becomes
complete
after
February
15th,
so
any
any
new
building
that
is
already
permitted.
This
would
not
apply
to.
It
only
applies
to
new
construction
that
occurs
after
2015.
all
right.
Sorry,
February,
15th
of
the
of
2023.
O
A
Q
L
R
Quick
as
I
can
I
know,
you
might
have
a
couple
speakers
and
you've
got
a
packed
agenda
there,
but
I'm
dealing,
geometesses
I'm,
the
director
of
public
affairs
for
vgs,
Vermont,
Gas
systems
and
I
just
want
to
start
by
thanking
the
counselors
and
staff
for
their
attention
to
the
ordinance
over
the
past
couple
months.
I
know,
we've
corresponded
a
few
times
via
email
and
otherwise,
and
just
really
appreciate
the
conversations
we've
had
and
folks
from
the
community
have
brought
to
us.
R
It's
been
a
good
productive
dialogue
so
far,
but
just
real
quick,
as
you
know,
vgs
is
headquartered
down
on
Swiss
Street.
We
are
a
large
thermal
energy
provider
here
in
the
community
with
about
7,
500
residences
and
businesses
that
we
serve
and
we
are
the
only
fully
regulated
utility
in
the
thermal
sector
in
the
state.
R
Just
want
to
call
out
a
few
things
here
and
just
give
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on
the
final
draft
here
as
you
weigh
it,
but
we
have
taken
these
proactive
steps
in
recognition
that
the
product
that
we
have
served
over
the
past
50
or
so
years
and
that
we
serve
today.
Fossil
fuels
has
significant
climate
impacts
and
to
this
end,
we
are
focused
on
trying
to
align
our
actions
with
a
Statewide
energy
policy.
R
The
global
warming
Solutions
act,
which
some
may
be
familiar
with
and
I
know,
has
been
considered
locally,
as
we've
worked
with
Regulators
to
try
to
expand
the
scope
of
what
we
do.
We
are
really
pushing
this
to
the
limit
at
the
Statewide
level,
and
that
includes
displacing
fossil
gas
in
our
system
with
increasing
volumes
of
biomethane.
R
While
trying
to
develop
renewable
Alternatives
such
as
green
hydrogen,
over
at
the
Global
foundries
Campus
and
soon
geothermal
energy,
which
will
be
launching
some
projects
in
the
near
future,
we
were
the
first,
only
gas,
only
utility
in
the
country
to
begin
installing.
Electric
heat
pump
water
heaters,
which
hopefully
will
be
of
service,
should
this
ordinance
be
adopted
and
we
are
actively
piloting
ways
to
install
heat
pumps
alongside
or
in
place
of
gas
appliances
in
the
near
future.
R
So
I
just
want
to
step
back
for
a
moment
and
say
that
all
of
this
is
happening
with
Statewide
energy
policy
as
our
guide,
so
whether
it
be
this
ordinance
proposal
or
future
Charter
changes
that
have
been
advocated
for
we
would
just
ask
you
to
consider
the
way
that
local
regulations
impact
implementation
of
those
Statewide
climate
objectives
under
the
global
warming.
Solutions
act,
specifically
that
you
know
creation
and
multiple
policies
or
tapestry
of
Municipal
policies.
R
Beyond
South
Burlington
may
not
be
aligned
or
consistent
with
some
of
those
State
goals,
and
so,
even
if
the
ordinance
before
you
is
intended
to
speed
up
decarbonization
at
the
local
level
here
in
South
Burlington,
which
we
commend,
there
is
no
guarantee
that
other
localities
in
the
area
will
not
use
their
own
Municipal
policies
to
incentivize
the
continued
use
of
fossil
fuels
or
conflicting
thermal
energy
policies.
So
I
just
want
to
call
that
out.
The
Statewide
approach
to
energy
policy
is
very
important
as
a
regulated
utility.
R
We
work
regularly
with
the
Vermont
Public
Utility
Commission,
with
the
Department
of
Public
Service,
and
we'll
continue
to
do
so,
as
we
continue
these
conversations
just
the
second
Point
here
that
I
want
to
raise
and
then
I'll
get
off.
The
mic
is
that
related
to
overall
affordability.
In
this
moment
we
certainly
know
that
energy
costs
have
increased
recently,
everyone's
feeling,
the
pinch
with
inflation
and
in
earlier
comments
we
flagged
Our
concern
that
the
ordinance
proposal
could
drive
up
costs
for
South,
Burlington
residents
and
businesses.
R
But
you
know
we
also
have
noted
that
thermal
regulated
utilities
so
vgs.
We
try
to
follow
lease
cost
planning
principles.
These
are
what
we
work
with
our
regulators
and
essentially,
this
ordinance
would
focus
on
setting
a
performance
standard
which
we
feel
we
can
adapt
to
and
generally
we
appreciate
the
flexibility
provided
under
it,
but
at
the
same
time
as
we
approach
lease
cost
with
energy,
we
just
aren't
sensitive
to
any
cost
that
could
be
imposed
at
the
local
level
and
how
that
might
present
challenges
over
time
for
cost
pressures.
R
So
thinking
about
inflation,
the
price
squeezes
that
folks
are
feeling.
We
just
asked
you
to
bear
that
in
mind.
As
this
conversation
continues,
we
know
it
may
toward
Charter
changes
or
other
proposals,
but
for
the
moment,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
here
tonight.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
hearing
us
out
for
considering
our
opinions
and
also
for
taking
some
of
the
technical
input.
I
know
that
we
had
a
productive
conversation
around
the
building
codes
and
otherwise.
R
D
A
T
Not
used
to
there's
a
whole
new
format,
I've.
Thank
you
very
much.
You're
welcome
I've
been
psychotherapist
since
the
70s
late
60s
had
some
extensive
Gardens
wanted
to
Homestead
for
quite
a
while
and
dreamed
at
that
time
of
bio
biogas
usage,
all
that
manure
going
to
waste
and
and
all
those
all
those
things
that
simply
makes
sense,
but
they
were
different.
I
was
treatment.
T
T
T
T
T
We
want
to
get
as
far
away
from
the
destructive
substances
possible
and
a
lot
of
times
it's
emotionally
driven
I
think
there's
a
certain
amount
of
over
emotion
with
our
whole
energy
situation
and
pollution
and
global
warming
and
and
all
the
prices
we
pay,
but
I've
seen
many
examples
over
time.
Societally
when
decisions
are
made
relatively
quickly,
driven
by
a
high
proportion
of
emotion
and
not
as
much
due
diligence
and
wide
wider
research
than
in
hindsight
shows
was
called
for.
T
So
you
get
you
get
a
severely
addicted
alcoholic.
They
get
medical
attention,
they're
they're
withdrawn
slowly
under
medical
supervision.
Sometimes
medication
has
to
be
a
thoughtful
process.
So
you
you
know
you
defeat
the
purpose
you
and
destroy
they're
they're
destroying
themselves,
but
the
op
immediate,
opposite
pole
is
not
the
answer.
I
think
that
model
holds
for
a
good
number
of
things.
Life
is,
unfortunately,
a
lot
more
complicated
and
than
I
find
convenient.
But
what
are
you
going
to
do?
T
T
Inaccuracies
distortions,
Fabrications
and
certainly
truth,
but
it
was
withdrawn
from
the
school
system.
That's
an
example
of
an
extreme
and
it's
been
extremely
influential
with
little
little
to
counter
it.
I
also
heard
the
co-founder
of
Noah,
the
national
oceanographic
and
I
believe
aeronautic,
or
you
know,
Federal
organization,
very
knowledgeable,
seasoned
individual,
who
asserted
who
stated
that
you're
looking
way,
looking
back
at
all
the
weather
patterns,
as
far
back
in
history
as
possible,
that
it's
the
nature
of
the
planet
to
go
through
extremes
and.
T
Now
we've
been
adding
more
to
the
problem
and
we
should
thoughtfully,
eliminate
and
curb
to
the
greatest
possible
degree,
but
I
have
the
strongest
sense
that
to
just
ban
you
know
we
want
to
feel
good.
We
were
very
we're
all
very,
very
anxious,
I
think
it
borders.
Frankly,
we're
all
friends,
we're
all
adults,
I
think
there's
a
an
hysterical
tone
through
this
proposal
and
I
think
it
should
be
table
for
a
further
study.
Okay,
I
I,
really
I.
Ask
you
strongly.
T
It
can
always
be
instituted,
but
I'd
hate
to
see
South
Burlington,
bring
regret
and
possible
embarrassment
upon
itself.
Okay.
So
that's!
Thank
you.
That's
what
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
and
I
appreciate
it
and
I
I.
Ask
you
please
you
can
you
can
always
do
it,
it'll
be
very
hard
to
undo
and
I.
Ask
you
to
think
extremely
carefully
and
blend
emotion,
get
the
right
mix
of
of
proper
respect
for
these
problems
with
deep
and
wider
research
and
thought.
Thank
you.
Vernon.
I
P
Thank
you
and
then
yeah,
I'll
I'll,
be
brief.
I
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
What
Laurie,
said
earlier,
and
endorse
this
ordinance
going
forward.
I
think
we're
obligated
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
at
the
local
level,
as
well
as
the
state
level
and
National
and
internationally
to
solve
these
problems.
I,
don't
think
we're
meant
to
feel
comfortable
about
this.
This
is,
is
an
existential
situation
so
and
I
hardly
think
that
this
is
a
cold
turkey
approach
when
we're
talking,
as
Megan
pointed
out
only
about
new
construction.
P
U
To
say
great,
yes,
I
I
take
a
little
interest
in
energy
name.
Please:
oh
Cindy,
Cindy
Freeman
I
take
a
little
interest
in
energy
myself
and
recently
looked
at
Green,
Mountain
Power
and
the
energy
mix
that
they
have
and
40
percent
comes
from
the
Seabrook
in
New
Hampshire
nuclear
power.
40
percent
comes
from
hydro
electricity,
which
we
is
wonderful,
that
we
have
that
so
it's
very
clean,
but
in
2032
I
believe
we
will
no
longer
have
Seabrook
nuclear
energy.
U
U
I.
Think
that
that's
very
important
before
we
put
restrictions
on
new
buildings
to
know
how
going
forward
we
will
have
that
energy
mix.
The
other
thing
I
have
spoken
with
an
engineer
and
he
has
said
that
our
grid
system
can't
hold
like
all
the
heat
pumps.
If
we
all
go
to
heat
pump
and
by
the
way
I
haven't
chosen
to
go
the
heat
pump
because
I
don't
turn
on
my
air
conditioner
in
the
summer,
I
I
use
very
little
energy
I'm
trying
to
be
very
green
up.
Until
this
point
we
use
natural
gas
ourselves.
U
We
have
our
furnace
going
with
natural
gas,
and
you
know
we
haven't
turned
on
our
heater
until
tonight,
because
we
know
it
will
be
cold
and
I'm.
Just
saying
that
a
lot
of
people
in
general
have
that
philosophy
are
green
because
for
economic
reasons
and
I,
just
think
that
the
the
two
the
ordinances
talk
about
energy
coming
from
electricity
and
coming
from
wood
and
wood,
pellet
pellets
and
that's
that's
natural
gas,
actually
emits
less
carbon
dioxide
than
wood
and
wood,
pellets
and
I.
U
Think
that
Vermont
Gas
is
also
moving
toward
more
of
a
renewable
energy
source
and
I
know
that
the
ordinance
also
spoke
about
that
that
methane
and
so
on.
So
I'm.
Just
I
I
get
a
little
concerned
because,
like
for
instance,
I
I
spoke
with
someone
in
Switzerland
and
they're.
You
know
with
the
energy
source
and
so
on
and
you're
all
hooked
into
the
electricity.
It
depends
on
the
source
right.
Electricity
itself
is
not
clean
and
it
come.
U
You
have
to
have
the
so
energy
sources,
we're
very
fortunate
in
Vermont,
but
I
just
would
like
to
know
if
there's
any
one
in
your
field
here
at
the
city
council,
that
can
actually
speak
on
that
matter
about
well.
Where
will
that
energy
mix
come
from
if
we're
asking
everyone
in
in
the
new
development?
To
actually
have
you
know
renewable
electricity.
U
D
Answer
that
question
sure
so
the
process
here
is
the
council
hears
from
the
community.
Here's
their
feedback
closes
the
public
hearing
and
then
they
discuss
among
themselves.
So
that's
the
that's
where
we
are
in
the
governance
process.
Right
now
is
just
hearing
from
all
the
members
of
the
community
and.
U
T
F
Thank
you,
chair
really,
Matt
Coda
weinstop,
Lane,
South,
Burlington,
recusing
myself
on
this
issue
and
the
next
two
items.
I
own,
a
company
called
Meadow,
Hill
and
I
run
a
trade
Association
Management
company
and
one
of
my
contracts
are
with
the
Vermont
vehicle
and
automotive
distributors
Association,
the
fuel
Dealers
Association,
and
the
heating
and
cooling
contractors
of
Vermont
just
going
to
read
you
just
two
short
Snippets
from
letters
and
then
I'll
and
then
I'll
leave
them
with
you.
F
New
England
will
not
have
sufficient
natural
gas
to
meet
power.
Supply
needs
for
the
region
in
the
event
of
a
severe
cold
spell
this
winter.
This
represents
a
serious
public
health
and
safety
threat.
This
letter
was
written
by
Joseph
R
Nolan
Jr,
the
president
and
chief
executive
officer
of
eversource
energy,
the
largest
electric
utility
in
New
England.
It
was
written
to
President
Biden,
distributed
on
October
27th.
F
If
there
is
an
another
letter,
if
there
is
an
extended
cold
slap
snap,
there
is
a
high
probability
of
rolling
blackouts
this
winter
last
January.
There
are
many
days
where
25
percent
of
the
electricity
produced
in
New
England
came
from
diesel
fuel.
There
are
multiple
plants
in
New,
England
that
run
on
Dual
fuels.
F
They
run
on
natural
gas
when
it's
available,
they
can
switch
to
diesel
fuel
when
natural
gas
is
not
available
for
the
full
month
of
January
2022
11
of
the
electricity
produced
in
New
England
came
from
diesel
fuel,
that's
written
by
the
CEO
of
Groton
electric
light
distributed
to
all
their
customers.
This
is
this
is
a
serious
policy
that
we're
undergoing
here
we're
Transforming
Our
energy
sector
to
move
away
from
fossil
fuels
to
electricity,
and
there
are
consequences.
F
F
F
There's
two
sections
that
deal
with
fines.
Any
person
who
violates
the
provision
of
this
ordinance
shall
be
subject
to
a
civil
penalty
of
up
to
eight
hundred
dollars
per
day
for
each
day
that
such
violation
continues
and
then
there's
another
set
of
fines.
That
appear
to
be
much
lighter
in
this
as
yet
to
be
named
building
inspector
that
has
not
been
hired
or
money
allocated
for
when
they
issue
those
fines,
I
assume
they
have
some
sort
of
ability
to
waive
them
based
on
need.
F
F
F
But
if
I'm,
if
I
build
a
new
home
and
I
meet
the
standard
of
the
ordinance,
but
then
I
I
don't
provide
enough
mini
splits
in
order
to
provide
the
heat
load
or
the
electric
bill
is
so
expensive
that
I
have
to
find
another
alternative
source
of
heat
who's
liable
for
a
fine.
What
if
it
goes
90
days
through
the
winter
800
a
day
times,
90,
that's
72,
000
dollars
just
to
stay
warm
with
the
same
rights
that
we
all
have
here
who
have
current
existing
homes.
F
T
I
I
hated
quite
a
few
Winters
with
wood
I
had
a
firewood
business
when
I
left
Goddard
and
graduated
and
I
had
the
capability
now
in
South
Burlington
and
reminded
me
when
it
came
up
here
and
when
I
read
the
original
ordinance
I
like
to
I
like
to
go
out
and
walk
any
time
of
day
or
night
and
wood
smoke.
I,
imagine
pellets,
I,
don't
know
pellets.
Wood
smoke
is
not
a
healthy
thing
and
it
can
disperse
quite
a
bit
but
I'm
73.
T
I've
been
I've,
been
in
proximity
to
wood
smoke
in
winter
time,
and
it's
not
good.
Also.
This
most
recent
other
paper
issue
had
a
letter
in
it.
I
thought
very
interesting
about
written
by
a
man
who
seems
quite
knowledgeable
about
heat
pumps,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
much
about
heat
pumps,
but
he
he
I
I
recommend
that
letter
to
everybody
he
he
gets
granular
about
about.
You
know
it's
just
shining
shining,
a
magnifying
glass
on
on
pros
and
cons
and
difficulties
and
something
you
know
possible.
T
U
V
B
A
O
That's
a
feeling.
Heating
fuel
system
has
changed
if
they
are
switching
to
to
Natural
Gas,
they
would
be
or
some
sort
of
renai.
They
would
be
in
violation
of
the
ordinance
and
would
potentially
be
subject
to
fines.
But
this
is
a
self-certification,
self-certifying
ordinance.
We
would
rely
on
the
public
that
if
they
were
to
change
their
heating
system,
that
they
comply
with
the
ordinance.
V
On
that
thread,
do
you
have
a
thought
on
the
liability?
Would
it
be
the
person
that
made
the
change
or
would
be
the
homeowner,
and
then
I
remember
call
on
this
other
piece
that
I
think
was
a
thread
to
pull
on
was
in
our
other
ordinances.
We
did
have
ways
for
people
to
go
through
Community,
restorative
restorative
justice,
to
waive
fees.
Do
you
see
any
of
those
to
envelop
these
types
of
fees?
O
Absolutely
I
think
the
city
is
always
in
favor
of
other
restorative
justice
practices
and
waiving
fees
if
people
can't
afford
to
pay
any
any
number
of
in
the
goal
here
is
to
bring
people
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance.
It's
not
a
punitive
measure
and
I
think
that's
the
intention
of
all
the
fees
that
we
have
in
our
ordinances,
so
I.
I
M
That's
what
was
wrong
before
we
started
I
think
what
Cindy
was
referring
to
is
that
the
license
to
operate
Seabrook
expires
in
early
2030.,
and
so
the
question
I
think
it's
probably
on
the
minds
of
iso.
New
England,
who
governs
the
power
grid
across
the
whole
region,
is
what
is
going
to
happen
to
Seabrook.
Will
they
re-certify
it?
Will
they
extend
its
life,
I,
I,
don't
know
and
I
think
that's
a
really
good
question
to
ask.
I
I
Furnaces,
so
that
is,
that
is
an
issue.
Ethan
was
of
the
opinion
and
he
is
an
expert
in
the
field
of
the
opinion
that
it
would
not
be
necessarily
significant,
and
he
doesn't
think
that
many
new
homes
come
on
in
South
Burlington,
that
that
use
wood
chips
and
I've
also
been
looking
into
renewable
gas.
I
I
Yes,
if
we
were
all
to
go
and
get
heat
pumps,
our
grid
could
not
sustain
it,
but
we
will
not
see
that
happen
in
the
next
year.
I
mean
it
will
take
much
much
longer.
We
have.
We
have
time,
I,
think
and
whoever's
on.
The
council
will
have
time
to
react.
If
this
ordinance
is,
is
no
longer
viable,
just
like
the
fines
would
possibly
be
going
through
the
community
Justice
Center
I
would
imagine
that
there
would
also
be
a
response
to
to
repeal
or
to
amend
an
ordinance.
I
So
at
this
point,
I
am
willing
to
go
ahead
and
knowing
that
we
have
very
active
members
of
the
public
who
are
following
this
and
and
as
we
all
should
be,
I
do
think
that
the
climate
emergency
is
here,
it's
now
and
and
I
do
trust,
Ethan,
Goldman,
who's,
who's,
saying
that
this
will
help,
and
this
is
not
something
that
is
the
final
step
it
is.
It
is
a
step
of
many
steps
that
will
need
to
be
taken
into
the
future.
M
M
In
my
discussions
with
various
developers
and
from
the
recent
construction
that
we've
seen
of
of
large
block
apartment
buildings,
the
use
of
Mini
Splits
is
here
to
stay,
and
that
means
the
dependence
on
heat
pumps
or
Heating
and
Cooling
apartment
buildings
is
I.
I
think
I
think
that
the
developers
are
have
gone
down
that
road
and
that
that's
where
they
want
to
go
so
in
some
ways
this
ordinance
is
kind
of
redundant
I
mean
they're
already
pushing
that
direction.
Heat
pump
technology
exists
today
that
that
meets
the
needs.
M
M
While
we
make
the
transition
to
something,
that's
that's
cleaner
and
right
now
electricity
is
clean
and
we
are
fortunate
as
I
think.
Cindy
said
that
GMP
is,
you
know:
40
percent
Seabrook
and
40
percent
Hydro
Quebec,
so
I
I
support
this.
This
Ordnance
site
I
think
it's
the
way
to
go:
we're
putting
a
stake
in
the
ground,
we're
going
to
hammer
it
in
if
we
need
to
move
it
around
as
we
go
down
the
road
I
think
that
we'll
be
willing
to
do
that.
M
V
I
agree
with
everything
that
Council
our
marine
councilor
Barrett
said:
I
didn't
see
anything
that
I
disagree
with
and
I
just
want
to
hearken
back
to
a
couple
comments
that
Miss
Freeman
raised
and
also
a
Dylan's
very
eloquent
remarks.
Dylan
Jim
Batista
from
Vermont
Gas
I
think
we
as
a
city
need
to
keep
in
touch
and
follow
what
the
state
is
doing
and
making
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
track
to
have
consistency
across
our
local
municipality
so
that
we're
doing
more
across
the
whole
state
of
Vermont.
A
A
It
is
pretty
low
hanging,
fruit
and
I.
Think
as
technology
as
Tim
kind
of
identified
or
suggested
technology
will
continue
to
improve
and
I
think
we
will
be
weaning
ourselves
off
fossil
fuels
as
the
decades
go
by
I
think
we
have
to-
and
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
enormous
lift
for
anyone,
particularly
in
light
of
the
fact
that
Builders
are
doing
it
without
being
told
they
have
to
they're
doing
it
on
their
own.
A
M
So
I
mean
that
that
wasn't
done
when
my
house
was
built
10
years
ago
and
I
wish
it
were
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
that's
the
type
of
construction
method.
That's
done
throughout
the
city.
You
know
because
it's
probably
part
of
the
stretch
energy
act,
250
code
now,
but
just
adding
another
two
inches
of
insulation
on
the
outside
of
the
frame
and
then
adding
the
sheathing
and
then
adding
your
your
siding.
On
top
of
that
is,
is
a
big.
It's
a
big
Improvement
I'm.
S
O
V
A
A
M
A
B
A
W
I
did
want
to
make
one
very
small
correction
in
the
description
on
the
agenda
and
I
apologize
for
the
not
being
quite
clear
enough
it.
The
description.
The
agenda
describes
the
enabling
Auto
Sales
in
the
vicinity
of
the
former
Hannaford
and
low
sites
and
prohibit
auto
sales
in
the
area
between
the
cemetery
and
Lakewood
Commons.
It's
actually
between
the
Citizens,
Bank
and
Lakewood
Commons.
There's
a
couple
of
properties
north
of
that
that
include
the
current
Carter's
Cars
and
Freedom
Nissan.
Those
would
remain
properties
that
are
allowed
to
have
Auto
Sales.
W
W
The
net
is
a
fairly
similar
total
amount
of
land
that
are
in
those
districts,
but
the
effect
would
be
to
allow
Auto
Sales
further
away
from
Shelburne
Road
in
the
current
lows
site
and
the
former
Hannaford
site
and
to
prohibit
auto
sales
in
the
area
closer
to
Shelburne
Road
in
the
area
of
Larkin,
Terrace,
Lakewood
Commons
and
the
properties
to
the
north,
where
the
city
has
been
putting
in
its
Urban
Design
overlay
district
and
supporting
housing
in
those
areas.
So
I
don't
know
Jessica
if
you'd
like
to
add
any
to
that.
G
You
know
it
kind
of
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
us
and
you
know
I
guess
you
know,
although
this
is
a
request
from
a
specific
business,
you
know
we
really
looked
at
it
kind
of
holistically
and
how
those
commercial
districts
and
higher
density
residential
districts
made
sense
with
existing
uses.
In
the
area.
G
W
And
and
then
the
second
change
just
to
be
fully
showing
what's
included,
would
be
to
change
and
add
some
New
Uses
to
be
allowed
in
these
districts.
So
in
the
commercial
2
District,
which
is
sort
of
the
Southern
half
of
Shelburne
Road,
it
would
allow
Municipal
facilities
in
the
future.
So
what
that
would
do
in
the
very
short
term
is
make
sure
that
Fire
Station
2
remains
a
permitted
use,
but
it
also
would
enable
future
Municipal
uses
further
south
of
that.
W
W
With
the
idea
of
in
the
long
term,
there
may
be
some
opportunities
to
reduce
the
number
of
zoning
districts
that
we
have
in
the
city
and,
in
the
meantime,
having
distinctions
where
one
District
allows
for
a
cultural
facility,
and
the
one
next
to
it
doesn't
didn't
seem
to
be
making
a
lot
of
sense
to
the
commission.
So
they
took
a
lot
of
made
them
a
lot
more
consistent
by
adding
some
additional
uses
into
the
C1
Auto
District.
D
So
we're
moving
so
on
December
5th,
we
will
have
three
public
hearings,
it's
also
the
night.
We
do
our
budget
presentation
which
we
are
doing
first
on
the
agenda,
so
we're
rearranging
the
public
hearings
a
little
bit
to
ensure
that
the
tiffs
public
hearing
goes
first,
as
that
will
be
on
the
ballot
on
tell
meeting
day
assuming
you
move
it
forward.
So
we
want
to
put
that
closer
to
the
budget
presentation.
I
V
Discussion,
the
point
yes
I
have
a
question:
Tom.
Do
you
mind
I'm
sorry,
go
ahead,
okay,
real
quick
point
of
clarification.
Has
the
Planning
Commission
heard
from
the
landowners,
or
did
they
at
all?
Were
they
at
all
involved,
or
is
that
really
where
this
process
now
is
by
us
warning
it
that
anybody
in
this
district
and
adjacent
will
be
warned
duly
through
newspaper
ads
and
that
we
will
hear
from
them
at
this
meeting.
W
We,
the
Planning
Commission,
heard
from
some
landowners
during
their
during
their
public
hearing
the
we're
aware
that
the
initiators
of
the
request
Tesla
have
been
in
touch
with
the
property
owner
that
they
have,
but
we
presume
that
they're
having
their
own
internal
Communications
on
that
it
will
be
an
additional
opportunity
for
anybody
throughout
this
Corridor
to
be
talking
with
you
or
presenting
at
the
council
hearing.
We
know
that
it's
been
covered
also
in
the
Free
Press
in
the
seven
days
in
the
various
news
outlets.
W
So
hopefully
folks
have
become
aware
that
this
is
being
proposed
and
just
one
thing
to
be
very
clear.
The
zoning
changes
do
not
affect
any
existing
car
dealerships
in
the
sense
that
all
existing
car
dealerships
remain
permitted
uses
throughout
the
corridor.
That
was
something
the
commission
had
US
map
out
to
be
certain
that
they
weren't
creating
a
non-conformity
somewhere,
really
quick
follow-up.
W
There
was
a
concern
raised
by
the
owner
of
the
Freedom
Nissan
property
that
by
changing
the
zoning
immediately
south
of
them
that
if
at
a
future
time,
they
were
to
sell
the
business
and
a
future
person
wish
to
expand
their
business
by
trying
to
buy
the
property
of
the
South
that
that
would
not
be
they
wouldn't
have
that
opportunity
anymore,
because
south
of
them
would
not
be
eligible.
So
the
Citizens
Bank
Concentra
property.
W
F
Yeah
I'd
like
to
answer
that,
if
I
could
yes,
please
hi
Tim
I
switched
jobs
I
own
a
company
now
called
Meadow
Hill
I
run
a
trade
Association
management
firm.
One
of
the
firms
that
I
have
under
contract
is
the
Vermont
vehicle
and
automotive
distributors.
Association
I'll
have
comments
at
the
public
hearing
about
the
proposal.
A
L
A
It's
always
nice
to
get
a
map
that
takes
me
half
an
hour
to
go
all
the
way
across.
But
you
know
what
I
want
to
compliment
you
on
is
in
each
little
section.
You
did
keep
the
years
so
I
didn't
have
to
go.
Oh
shoot.
I
got
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
see
what
year
is
that
I
I
do
try
to
improve
it.
That
was
that
was.
X
X
On
sorry,
good
evening,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Alana
Blanchard
I'm,
community
development,
director
director
I'm
here
with
Aaron
Goyette
who's,
the
project
manager
for
VHB
and
the
head
of
a
gigantic
design
team
that
has
been
working
on
the
east
west
Crossing
walk,
Bridge,
Walk
bike
bridge
over
I-89
and
I.
Just
you
know,
they've
done
a
tremendous
job
and
I
just
want
to
give
a
few
words
of
introduction
and
I
hope.
None
of
them
are
scary,
but
it's
a
huge
project.
X
We're
really
excited
to
be
where
we
are,
there's
been
a
huge
amount
of
public
Outreach
to
very
diverse
groups,
many
different
stakeholders,
many
people
who
we've
never
really
reached
out
to
before.
So
it's
been
a
really
exciting
process
and
as
you'll
see,
there
are
a
lot
of
great
ideas
that
came
out
of
that
process.
I
did
want
to
follow
up
on
one
item
that
was
in
the
memo.
One
thing
that
you
you'll
see
in
the
presentation
from
Aaron
is
that
he
has
really
beautiful
illustrations.
I
want
to
remind
everyone.
X
This
is
a
concept
and
not
a
construction
set
of
drawings
that
you're
approving
for
construction.
The
project
is
at
the
point
where
it
has
a
lot
of
information
about
what
the
public
wants
and
what
the
designers
thought
made
sense
in
terms
of
the
budget
and
the
design
to
move
forward
with,
and
that
got
drawn
up
as
what
looks
like
a
photo,
but
really
think
of
it
as
a
line
drawing
that
has
colors
on
it,
because
it
is
a
concept
and
to
go
along
with
that.
X
There
were
several
cost
estimates
that
went
along
with
the
concept
generally
at
the
stage.
We
look
at
a
cost
estimate
as
an
order
of
magnitude,
so
in
the
middle
of
this
process,
we're
like
okay,
we're
inside
our
order
of
magnitude.
Now
that
the
concept
has
been
there
is
a
recommended
concept
that
the
cost
estimate
is
not
inside
the
overall
budget,
and
so
we'll
be
looking
at
that
and
I
wanted
to
be
specific,
that
we
have
a
few
directions
that
were
recommending
that
the
design
team
explore.
X
So
I
wanted
to
be
upfront
with
you,
so
that
you're,
you
know
what
might
be
changing
and
to
make
sure
that
you're
comfortable
with
that
and
also
to
let
you
know
what
our
priorities
are
in
terms
of
retaining
within
the
project.
We
see
these
more
as
part
of
the
purpose
and
need
and
things
that
we
heard
strongly
about
from
the
community.
So
some
of
the
factors
that
are
affecting
the
cost
estimate,
obviously
prices
right
now
are
pretty
I
would
say:
they're
not
stable
and
they're
they're
changing
a
lot.
X
So
we
will
be
continuing
to
work
through
the
cost
estimate,
but
we'll
also
be
looking
at
some
big
changes
that
to
see
if
they
can
move
the
needle
and
I
have
some
listed
here.
But
the
design
team
will
also
be
looking
at
changes
that
they
may
come
up
with.
So
one
of
those
is
to
continue
looking
at
materials
to
look
at
the
width
of
the
bridge
right
now,
it's
30
feet
at
the
widest
so
you'll
see
in
the
concept
that's
listed
as
a
maximum
and
I
would
note,
and
Aaron
will
probably
note
that.
X
But
there
is
a
continuous
width
throughout
the
project,
and
that
is
the
typical.
So
we
don't
expect
that
on
the
bridge,
it
would
go
down
to
that,
but
less
than
30..
We
look
at
the
University
Mall
connection
there
right
now
it's
pretty
much
a
standalone
appendage
and
there
may
be
ways
to
look
at
that.
X
As
in
ways
that
it's
less
expensive
and
then
also
look
at
the
grading
and
ways
there
may
be
cost
savings
there,
and
also
whether
the
pause
places
need
to
be
as
as
they're
currently
designed,
there
may
be
a
way
to
do
that
less
expensively.
So
in
terms
of
priorities,
Ada
is
an
obvious,
obvious
sort
of
fundamental
design
criteria
this
and
then
also
making
sure
that
it
works
for
bicyclists.
X
It's
open,
24,
7
and
throughout
all
season,
so
maintainable
that
it's
comfortable
and
attractive.
We
really
want
people
to
use
it
obviously,
and
we
want
that
continuous
through
path
throughout
the
project
and
then
things
that
were
very
popular
with
the
public
were
the
greenery
and
the
windshielding
and
then
obviously
low
maintenance
is
very
important,
so
I
just
wanted
to
hand
it
over
to
Aaron
and
and
let
him
walk
you
through
the
project
and
process.
A
Y
Here
we
go
just
a
brief
recap
of
the
history
of
the
project.
There
was
a
previous
scoping
study
that
was
undertaken
by
the
ccrpc,
and
it
was.
The
original
study
was
completed
in
2018,
where
that
project
team,
determined
I,
actually
went
through
a
whole
process
of
determining
and
soliciting
Community
engagement,
developing
a
purpose
and
need
statement
for
the
project,
which
is
very
important
from
a
federally
funded
project.
The
purpose
need
statement
will
drive
the
project
forward
and
project
decisions
are
made.
Based
upon
that
purpose
need
statement.
Y
Strategies
for
safely
moving
bikes
and
pedestrians
across
the
Interstate
at
this
General
location
and
then
out
of
that
study
became
a
recommended
alternative,
which
you
see
on
the
screen
here.
On
the
right
hand,
side
is
that
recommended
alternative,
which
became
the
city
council's
approved
pathway
alignment
to
go
forward.
So
that's
the
general
alignment
that
our
team
started
with.
In
addition,
in
that
study
phase,
there
was
the
follow-up
supplemental
study
to
document
resources
in
the
area.
Do
a
little
bit
of
Topo
survey.
Y
Y
The
project
budget,
this
project
was
the
recipient
of
a
usdot
raise
Grant
in
2021
and
that
funds
about
9.8
million
of
the
project
it's
planned
for
potential
TIF
district
funding
of
about
4.3
million,
and
then
that
leaves
about
a
half,
a
million
for
other
local
or
federal
funding
sources.
To
make
up
the
total
budget.
Y
Just
a
brief
recap
of
of
project
process
so
for
transportation
development
projects
a
lot
of
times,
we
refer
to
three
different
phases:
phase,
a
being
the
project,
definition,
phase,
phase,
B,
being
project
design
and
then
phase
C
being
project
construction.
You
see,
we've
got
some
general
dates,
time
frames
associated
with
each
of
these
phases
right
now,
we're
still
in
that
project.
Definition,
phase
and
technically
the
project
definition
phase
started
with
those
ccrpc
studies
and
is
continuing
through
this
concept.
Definition
tonight,
obviously,
is
the
city
council
presentation.
Y
Y
That's
included
a
number
of
the
public
workshops
that
you
see
listed
on
the
screen,
as
well
as
some
other
items.
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
later,
Workshop
number
one
was
held
on
June
16th
and
that
was
kind
of
a
blank
canvas.
We
started
with
some
well
I'll,
go
through
a
recap
of
those,
but
that
was
kind
of
some
initial
concept:
brainstorming,
no
real
Concepts
on
the
board.
At
that
point,
Workshop
number
two
August
31st,
where
we,
the
team,
had
developed
three
concepts
of
that.
Y
At
that
point,
those
Concepts
were
showcase
to
the
public
and
anybody
who
attended
and
then
we
you
know,
took
additional
feedback
at
that
meeting
in
the
form
of
comments
both
verbally
and
written.
We
used
a
kind
of
a
breakout
station
method
where
we
had
folks
write
on
sticky
notes
and
apply.
The
sticky
notes
to
the
boards
we'll
get
to
that
a
little
bit
later
and
then
Workshop
number
three
was
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago:
October
13th,
where
our
team
presented
the
final
concept
for
of
a
final
public
review.
Y
The
community
engagement
Beyond,
those
public
workshops,
I,
think
you
know
we
had
a
of
an
explanation
at
those
public
workshops
that,
while
they
may
be
some
of
the
most
visible
to
the
public,
and
maybe
some
of
the
most
well-attended
they're
one
piece
of
a
much
larger
public
engagement
program,
we
had
seven
focus
groups
with
underrepresented
communities
throughout
the
community
and
the
region.
We
had
multiple
meetings
with
the
abutting
property
owners.
Y
We
had
a
University
Mall
Papa
up
event
where
several
members
of
our
team
set
up
display
at
the
University
Mall
and
engaged
with
with
folks
that
were
interested
passing
by
we've
talked
to
South
Burlington
security,
maintenance,
Personnel,
police,
fire
and
DPW.
We've
talked
with
the
South
Burlington
bicycle
and
pedestrian
committee.
A
couple
of
times
we
talked
with
the
public
art
committee
a
couple
of
times.
Y
Y
L
Y
So
public
Workshop
number
one,
a
very
quick
recap:
it's
got
into
a
little
bit
this
earlier,
but
we
we
provided
some
existing
existing
conditions.
Pictures
we
went
through
a
number
of
example:
bicycle
and
pedestrian,
Bridges
and
Pathways
some
example
retaining
walls
really
to
to
try
to
get
the
creative
juices
flowing
and
to
give
folks
a
little
bit
of
a
backdrop
of
what
could
be
possible
with
the
project.
Y
We
had
some
breakout
sessions
that
were
geared
towards
the
bridge
structure
and
Aesthetics,
the
pathway,
experience
and
the
project
connections,
and
then
a
third
group
for
project
sustainability,
environmental
concerns
and
other
areas
of
interest
for
this
public
Workshop
number
one.
We
had
folks
that
were
present
in
person
do
a
rotation
through
those
three
groups,
and
then
we
had
one
bigger
group
online
that
went
through
each
of
the
topics.
Y
Y
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
positive
energy
behind
the
project,
but
also
a
lot
of
curiosity
as
to
how
it's
going
to
improve
connections
beyond
the
project
area,
and
we
did
explain
at
both
public
workshops
number
two
and
three
that
you
know
this
project
really
is
focused
on
the
bridge
area
itself
and
and
those
connections
that
we
showed
earlier
on.
There
is
a
larger
project.
Y
Y
We
had
examples,
example
pictures
of
potential
seating
and
potential
shelter,
different
types
of
railing,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
vertical
concrete
retaining
walls.
So
we
showed
examples
of
form
liners
that
could
be
used
on
those
walls,
and
then
we
split
into
breakout
stations,
and
we
asked
the
public
to
take
notes
during
the
the
presentation
to
be
able
to
then
apply
those
notes
onto
the
the
boards.
We
had
them
set
up
right
out
in
the
hallway
here.
Y
Y
Just
so,
you
can
see,
you
know
really
kind
of
an
open
air
open
on
top
of
the
interstate,
and
so
that
you
know
what
would
you
change?
Maybe
some
protection
from
the
elements
from
the
wind,
lower
maintenance
plants
change
the
size
that
they're
not
completely
open
and
then
increase.
You
know
the
visibility
to
be
able
to
see
all
areas.
Y
The
modern
Bridge
was
the
other
bridge
that
was
received,
received
some
positive
comments,
so
a
couple
of
visualizations
of
the
modern
bridge
and
then
what
did
we
hear
about
the
modern
Bridge
or
like
the
width,
the
artistic
nature,
the
shape
the
Simplicity
that
enclosed
feeling
and
shielding
from
the
cars
and
weather
and
also
adequate
seating?
But
what
would
you
change
the
addition
of
plants,
edition
of
art,
better
separation
between
bikes
and
pads
and
and
being
able
to
view
Beyond?
Y
Y
And
then
we
had
we
had
similar
breakout
stations,
as
I
explained
from
Workshop
number
two
for
Workshop
number
three
and
asked
the
same
a
couple
of
questions.
What
did
you
like?
What
would
you
change
so
so?
What
did
we
hear?
People
really
liked
the
public
art
integration,
we'll
get
a
little
bit,
get
a
little
bit
more
into
detail
on
what
was
presented
in
just
a
moment:
the
bridge
and
the
pathway,
geometry,
the
plantings,
The
Greenery,
the
shielding
from
the
cars
and
the
weather.
Y
There
was
also
a
number
of
other
considerations
that
didn't
necessarily
fall
into.
What
do
you
like,
or
would
you
change,
and
we've
got
these
recorded
for
our
team
to
consider
to
continue
to
consider
going
forward
so
planning
for
landscaping
upkeep?
How?
How
does
the
city
plan
to
upkeep
any
plants
that
that
maybe
be
planted?
Y
Y
This
is
a
planned
view
of
the
bridge.
Layout
North
is,
is
upwards,
South
is
is
to
the
bottom
of
the
screen
and
the
pathway.
As
it's
shown,
we've
got
a
few
different
areas
of
the
pathway.
There's
a
ad
grade
portion
of
the
pathway,
there's
an
elevated
portion
of
the
pathway
as
it
ramps
up
to
the
bridge
and
then
there's
the
pathway
across
the
bridge
and
kind
of
the
same
thing.
On
the
other
side,
elevated
back
down
to
accurate
the
elevated
portion
of
the
pathway.
Y
As
you
see
approaches,
the
bridge
is
a
14
foot
wide
pave
width.
This
allows
for
a
10
foot,
wide
effective
width
and
a
two
foot
shoulders
where,
if,
if
you
can
imagine
riding
a
bike
or
walking
you're
not
going
to
be
directly
against
that
barrier,
so
providing
enough
space
where
people
feel
comfortable,
the
bridge
itself,
you
can
see
kind
of
the
lighter
color
across
the
bridge.
Is
a
continuation
of
that
14
foot
wide
width
as
you
look
on
the
southern
end
of
the
bridge,
just
south
of
that
lighter
area?
Y
There's
an
eight
foot
wide
landscaped
area
and
then
an
eight
foot
wide
separated
pathway
for
pedestrians
to
to
be
able
to
to
meander
a
little
bit
slower
off
of
that
shared
use
pathway.
So
that's
where
the
maximum
30
foot
width
comes
from
at
the
beginning
and
end
of
the
bridge,
we're
at
about
14
feet
railing
to
railing
width.
Y
Y
Y
This
is
a
typical
pause
place
so
on
that
pathway,
I
think
we've
got
two
on
the
Western
approach
and
two
on
the
Eastern
approach
up
to
the
bridge,
providing
an
area
where
folks
can
can
rest
there'll
be
a
couple
of
benches
there
room
for
wheelchair
access
between
the
benches
to
be
able
to
rest
if
it's
needed
these
would
be
graded
along
the
pathway.
The
grade
would
change
from
four
and
a
half
percent
to
about
two
percent
at
these
areas.
Y
So
public
art
integration,
the
bridge
itself,
is
intended
to
be
a
piece
of
art
and
that's
part
of
the
the
bright
color
across.
That's
part
of
the
architectural
details
with
the
the
spikes
that
you
see,
sticking
up
the
ribs,
it's
all
been
designed
by
an
architect
on
our
team,
so
the
bridge
itself
acting
as
a
piece
of
art.
A
A
Y
X
Y
So,
for
example,
the
the
two
pictures
that
you
see
at
the
top
of
the
screen
here
are
pigeons
and
may
place
the
pigeons
underneath
one
of
the
benches,
and
so
it
ends
up
being
a
little
bit
of
have
a
lesson
on
on
Native
bird
species
in
Vermont
and
a
little
bit
of
a
scavenger
hunt
to
be
able
to
find
the
birds.
As
you
cross,
the
bridge.
Y
We're
taking
sustainability
very
seriously,
our
our
team
at
VHB
is
really
centered
around
sustainability.
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
little
bit
bigger
write-up
on
this.
In
the
in
the
memo,
we've
gone
through
sustainability,
Workshop
and
we're
working
through
kind
of
a
number
of
items,
including
material
selection,
the
lighting
design,
an
embodied
energy
analysis.
Y
So
we've
got
a
few
next
steps
tonight
begins
the
with
this
presentation,
then
Begins,
the
city
council,
discussion
on
TIF
district
financing
understand
the
public
vote
for
TIF
district
financing
would
be
Town
town
meeting
day,
March
7th,
with
the
raise
Grant
Federal
funding
on
the
project.
There
are
time
frames
that
are
associated
with
spending
that
money.
Y
It's
a
requirement
to
have
federal
funds
authorized
for
construction
by
2024
in
our
project.
Schedule
currently
intends
to
advertise
the
project
I
believe
in
the
fall
of
2024
summer
to
fall
to
be
able
to
begin
Construction
in
2025
and
then
essentially
a
two-year
construction
project
2025-2026.
So
the
grand
opening
being
in
2026.
F
Yeah
I
have
three
quick
ones.
First
of
all,
I
agree
with
the
consensus:
I
love
the
modern
concept
and
I
love
the
artwork
and
I
know
the
Fine
Art
committee
was
consulted
in
that
input.
So
thank
you
for
this
presentation.
My
questions
are
more
pedantic
who
plows
insults
the
bridge.
Would
that
be
aot?
Would
that
be
ddpw.
F
And
then
so,
seeing
beyond
the
bridge-
and
of
course
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
mall,
some
good
things
could
happen
there,
but
I
see
that
there's
a
ramp
going
down
away
from
the
highway
towards
sort
of
the
Hannaford
side
of
the
mall.
Is
that
part
of
the
project,
or
is
that
in
visualizes
a
project
to
come
after
it
and
then
and
then,
because,
obviously,
with
all
the
buildings
that
we're
doing
on
Market
Street,
it's
wonderful
nurses
and
doctors
and
and
teachers
and
students
can
get
right
through
there.
X
U
X
F
X
V
Two
questions
one
picks
up
on
that
or
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question.
I
think
that'll
be
a
real
missed
opportunity
if
we
don't
work
with
the
umall
to
to
rethink
where
that
abuts
I
love
the
design.
I
love
everything
else,
but
it
just
seems
like
the
desire
path
for
the
the
traffic
is
not
going
to
want
to
cut
North
and
South,
so
we
I'm
sure
you
all
are
going
to
work
with
the
umall
to
rethink
that.
V
M
M
It
has
qualities
of
its
own
that
that
make
it
special
and
I
see
the
project
is
very
positive
for
for
bike
and
Pet
transportation
in
our
area,
especially
trying
to
get
you
know
from
from
one
side
of
89
to
the
other
and
it
it
links
together,
UVM
and
the
commercial
area
at
the
umall
and
then
they're
going
to
build
all
of
that
housing.
You
know
for
UVM
in
off
Market
Street,
so
I'm
having
a
helicopter
moment
here
so
yeah.
M
Y
Well,
I
did
say
with
proper
maintenance.
You
know
there.
There
is.
We
live
in
a
harsh
environment
right
and
there
are
sometimes
circumstances
where
repairs
or
rehabilitations
are
needed,
but
kind
of
the
overall
larger
piece
of
infrastructure
intended
to
last
for
100
years
with
with
that
proper
maintenance.
Y
I
A
A
X
X
A
A
M
X
Y
We
haven't
gotten
that
far
in
the
design
yet,
but
you
know
we
have
been
thinking.
We
have
been
thinking
about
a
little
bit.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
lot
of
coordination
with
the
agency
of
transportation
and
Federal
Highway
Administration
on
what
what
is
plausible
and
possible
during
the
construction
phase.
D
Thank
you.
The
community
will
see,
starting
next
week,
some
flaggers
out
at
the
rain
on
the
on
and
off
ramps
with
Lane
narrowing,
as
they
do
some
boring
adjacent
to
the
ramps
to
further
design
this
project.
So
we
will
start
seeing
some
impacts
that
no
lane
closures,
but
just
lay
narrowing
with
flaggers.
D
A
B
M
A
A
A
X
X
X
So
so
I
just
wanted
to
start
like
why
we're
having
this
discussion,
we
have
a
tip
to
strike
tip
district
is
very
highly
regulated.
It
comes
with
timelines.
We
are
running
into
our
deadline
to
incur
debt
that
will
be
March,
31st
2024.
Our
last
opportunity
to
ask
the
voters
to
vote
in
a
regularly
scheduled
election
would
be
town
meeting
day.
We're
coming
to
you
now,
because
we
know
there's
a
lot
going
on
right
now,
but
we're
going
to
want
to
talk
to
the
voters
in
January
and
February.
X
If,
if
you
do
want
to
put
this
on
the
ballot,
and
so
we
would
like
to
put
together
material
to
let
the
voters
to
help
the
voters,
learn
about
and
understand
the
project,
I
don't
want
to
show
them
plans,
which
is
what
I
have
now,
because
they're
very
confusing.
So
so
right
now,
our
tip
district
is
in
gosh,
we're
like
in
Year
10.
X
we're
in
year
10
of
our
Tiff
District,
which
is
kind
of
amazing.
We've
issued
ten
thousand
ten
billion
dollars.
Our
bonding
authority
to
date
is
14
million
200
Garden
Street
phase
one
has
not
been
issued
yet.
So
that's
that
four
million
dollar
difference
and
we've
added
30
million
dollars
to
the
city
center
tax
base.
I
say
we.
X
Private
development
has
added
30
million
dollars
and
then
our
anticipated
tax
base-
and
this
is
what
has
been
modeled
looking
at
opportunities
for
redevelop
properties
that
have
no
development
on
them
or
properties
that
are
underutilized
and
that
we
would
expect
either
because
they
change
tenants
a
lot
that
they
might
be
read
about
developed.
So
we
would
expect
to
add
about
300
million
in
total
new
value
by
30
37.
A
V
X
V
A
X
May
need
a
different
meaning
for
that,
but
sure
I
would
be
happy
to
walk
you
through
it
so
that
we
have
four
projects
that
are
left
that
are
not
yet
authorized
to
use
TIF
district
financing,
so
they
are
eligible
in
that
they
have
approval
through
Pepsi,
but
we
needed
the
voters
to
authorize
the
use
of
tip
District
financing,
so
they
are
Garden
Street
phase
two.
This
is
from
White
Street
to
Patchen
Road.
X
The
estimated
cost
is
or
the
estimated
budget
is
8.227
million
and
that's
100
tip
District
eligible.
It
is
also
federal
aid
eligible
because
it's
a
regional
resource
and
we
anticipate
that
this
would
go,
could
go
into
Construction
in
2024
and
we're
at
60
design
level,
that's
sort
of
where
we
have
been
for
a
while.
We've
been
focusing
on
other
projects
for
a
while
most
significantly.
This
includes
the
realignment
of
the
white
and
Midas
Drive
intersection
so
that
they
align
in
a
cross
intersection.
X
The
Williston
Road
streetscape
Project
number
two:
this
is
a
streetscape
on
the
South
Side
from
Dorset
to
Midas
drive.
It
includes
ample
area
for
snow
storage
and
then
also
a
shared
use
path,
and
this
project
is
significant
in
that
it
creates
an
additional
bicycle
facility
on
Wilson
Road,
but
it
also
makes
it
more
usable
in
the
winter
and
in
inclement
weather,
much
more
comfortable
space
and
less
likely
to
have
snow
and
ice
and
slush
and
spray
on
it.
It
also
addresses
some
utility
conflicts
that
exist
in
the
area.
X
B
X
We
have
been
programming
in
it
in
the
capital
Improvement
program
as
as
a
loan
serviced
through
the
reserve
fund
and
and
that's
how
it's
addressed
in
the
model-
and
this
is
also
federal
aid
eligible
it's
on
a
regional
resource,
so
the
East
West
Crossing,
we've
just
gone
through
that
so
I
will
skip
over
this
one.
But
I
would
point
out
that
this
goes
from
the
Staples
Plaza
and
it
comes
all
the
way
around
the
Dorset
Williston
Road
corner
and
meets
up
with
the
existing
Charities
path
right
at
the
edge
of
the
Homewood
Suites
property.
X
X
The
estimate
for
this
is
1.1
million
and
that
is
100
tip
District
financing
eligible.
Although
the
overall
City
Center
Park
project
is
only
95
because
we
expended
that
five
percent
in
the
first
part
phase.
One
of
this
project,
this
remaining
part,
is
100
tip
District
financing
eligible.
This
is
not
a
federal
aid
eligible,
because
this
is
considered
a
regional
resource
and
one
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
put
that
up.
There
is
because
this
is
the
total
amount
of
debt
authorization
that
we
would
that
we
would
recommend
be
requested.
X
It's
the
maximum
amount
that
each
project
is
eligible
to
be
financed
for
using
tax
increment
financing,
because
the
the
cost
cost
of
services
construction
materials
is
very
uncertain
right
now
we
would
definitely
recommend
going
for
the
full
amount.
That
being
said
at
the
staff
level,
we
are
going
to
be
looking
for
additional
funding
for
these
projects,
so
there,
as
opportunities
come
up,
we'll
certainly
be
seeking
grants
or
other
Partnerships.
In
order
to
to
fund
portions
of
these
projects
and.
A
X
X
So
this
is
the
the
top
left
part
of
the
the
spreadsheet
that
is
in
the
packet,
and
so
the
first
thing
that
we
look
at
is
income.
We
use
the
model
that
the
Vermont
economic
progress
Council
uses
in
their
application
for
TIF
district
financing
districts.
That
model
is
the
same
model
that
we
use
when
we
go
in
for
a
substantial
change,
it
looks
at
it
looks
at
the
current
tax
rate.
X
We
look
at
retail
and
we
look
at
office
commercial
and
we
look
at
what.
If
there
was
a
new
building
at
that
location,
what
the
assessed
value
would
be-
and
we
don't
look
at
it.
Sometimes
we
look
at
it
in
today's,
but
sometimes
we
look
at
it.
We
might
say
you
know
well
in
five
or
ten
years,
because
we
know
that
there
may
be
one
reassessment
between
now
and
2037.
When
we
started
this,
we
definitely
did
now.
We
because
we
are
just
coming
out
of
a
reassessment.
X
X
So
we
take
all
of
those
numbers.
We
use
the
Vermont
economic
progress
model
that
they
use
in
their
application
and
we
continue
to
update
it
just
with
our
assessed
values.
What
our
existing
current
tax
rate
is
and
and
then
what
we
think
or
what
developers
tell
us
they
would
be
developing
in
a
location,
and
so
it's
a
model.
It's
a
projection
and
an
estimate
and
what
I
have
here
is
all
projected
development
and
that
is
coming
out
of
our
last.
X
The
total
estimated
tax
increment
that
would
be
received
over
the
entire
life
of
the
district
and
and
I
say
that
because
and
that's
true
37
right
and
and
I
say
that,
because
we
didn't
know
that
the
Catamount
run
would
be
built
out
as
quickly
as
it
was.
So
we
had
the
development
in
the
model
spread
out
much
more
longer.
We
were
just
coming
out
of
covid
with
a
substantial
change.
We
didn't
want
to
be
that
aggressive
with
the
development,
and
so
the
timing
and
the
amount
of
development
makes
a
big
difference
in
these
models.
V
Is
just
an
important
point:
I
really
want
to
understand
your
spreadsheet
as
much
as
this
is
a
model
we
can
look
at
2021
and
2022
data
and
you're
saying
with
these
spreadsheets,
and
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
the
30
million
dollar
increase
in
value
of
the
land,
that's
in
the
Tiff
District
generated
in
2022
413
448
dollars
that
otherwise
we
wouldn't
have
gotten,
but
because
of
the
tip
those
are
dollars
that
are
redirected
from
the
Ed
fund
to
the
city
of
South
Burlington
to
pay
off
these
projects.
That
is
a
correct
statement.
X
V
X
So
so
I
have
two
models.
The
one
is
the
one
that
I
just
told
you
about,
and
then
the
yellow
line
is
just
Catamount
run
and
prod
and
projects
that
they
have
shown
on
various
subdivision
applications
that
they
have
submitted
over
the
years
so
Catamount
run
is
not
developing
all
the
sites
on
on
the
South
Burlington,
City,
Center,
I'm,
sorry,
Snyder
Braverman
is
not
developing.
All
of
the
sites
for
Catamount
run
on
the
property
that
they
have
contracted
with
South
Burlington
City
Center
LLC
with
did
you
all
follow
that
that
was
a
lot
of
names?
X
M
X
X
B
X
Then
the
purple,
Properties
or
property
or
other
projects
that
Senator
Braverman,
is
built
or
are
being
built
on
South
Burlington,
City,
Center,
llc's
land.
So
you
can
see
we're
there,
we're
not
Catamount
Run
Outlet
square.
Is
there
and
then
there's
two
properties
that
are
already
existing
north
of
Market
Street
and
then
South
of
Market
Street
on
Garden
Street
are
two
buildings,
one
under
construction,
that
is
being
that
is
contracted
to
UVM,
MC,
UVM,
Medical,
Center
and
then
the
one
next
to
Healthy
Living
is
also
contracted
to
UVM
Medical
Center.
D
And
if
I
can
just
clarify
yeah,
it's
not,
they
are
contracted
and
that
they
are
investors
in
the
projects
and
they
will
have
some
first
right
of
refusal.
They
are
all
private,
51
or
more
privately
owned
and
all
market
rate
and
will
stay
in
the
current
market.
If
the
institutional
investors
don't
need
them.
V
This
is
very
helpful.
This
should
be
public
knowledge,
Dover
Place,
which
has
been
completed.
What
is
that
taxed
at
in
our
grand
list?
Approximately?
Is
it
a
10
million
dollar
building,
20
million
dollar
building,
because
I'm
trying
to
get
these
figures
to
to
make
sense
and
what
we
can
anticipate
with
Catamount
run
I.
A
A
X
D
X
W
Paul
Connor
planning
his
owning
director
Matt,
what
I
can
say,
I
I,
don't
know
the
the
use
of
the
word
reserved.
What
I
can
say
is
a
status
is
that
we
have
issued
the
site
plan,
approval
for
120
dwelling
units,
5
000
square
foot
daycare
and
about
an
1800
square
foot
commercial
space
in
the
Prospect
Place
building
and
the
developers
have
indicated
that
in
this
calendar
year
they
will
be.
They
are
anticipating
pulling
their
zoning
permit
for
construction.
Nice.
Thank.
F
B
X
X
Besides
the
Snyder
Braverman
developments
on
South
Burlington
City
Center
LLC
land,
which
is
the
former
Munson
property.
So
and
and
there's
a
it's,
you
know
it's
a
big
difference.
So
it's
you
know
total
value
of
Tiff
increment.
That's
what
would
be
available
to
pay
back
to
pay
back
that
any
TIF
district
financing
versus
32
million.
X
So
this
this
is
the
tip
district
and
I
overlaid
the
diagram
that
you
just
saw
over
the
South
Burlington
City
Center,
LLC
property.
So
it's
the
boundaries
exclude
this
triangle
exclude
this
property
here
and
exclude
this
property.
Here,
that's
been
developed
by
black
Bay,
the
town
homes
that
are
at
the
these.
X
X
D
So
yeah
can
I
interrupt.
Rolanda
I
just
looked
up
that
parceled
over
place
on
the
grand
list.
So
it's
assessed
this
year
at
4.5
million
it
pays
76
000
in
property
tax,
so
a
court
a
quarter
of
two-thirds
of
that
still
goes
to
the
headphone.
So
it's
not
that
all
of
that
is
going
to
the
diff
District,
but
that's
gives
you
a
ballpark.
X
Even
with
the
the
increase
in
interest,
the
overall
Bond
service
is
still
less
than
our
full
model
that
we
submitted
for
our
substantial
change.
It
is,
however,
what
our
all
of
our
payment
would
be
is
still
more
than
if
all
the
development
stops
with
Schneider
waiver
men
and
nothing
else
develops
the
there's.
Also
480
000,
that's
related
costs
that
was
approved
in
a
prior
vote
authorization.
X
The
only
other
thing
that
I
would
point
out
about
this
is
that
these
are
all
structured
with
five
years
delayed
payment
and
level
payments.
So
we
are
paying
more
interest
because
of
the
way
it's
structured,
so
there
we
could
look
at
structuring
these
differently
in
order
to
lower
the
overall
payment,
especially
at
the
time
of
issuance.
We
would
definitely
look
at
that,
so
that
and
then
at
the
end
this
is
sort
of
the
bottom
line.
X
Anything
that
originally
came
from
that
would
have
gone
normally
to
the
Ed
fund
would
go
to
the
Ed
fund
and
anything
that
would
have
gone
normally
to
the
city
would
go
to
the
city,
so
we
collect
75
of
the
value
of
increment,
both
from
the
Ed
fund
and
from
the
city,
so
those
values
would
go
back
to
where
they
originally
would
have
gone
on
the
other
side.
If
we
do
not
have
enough
increment,
then
the
city
would
be
responsible
for
funding
those.
X
X
B
X
A
A
M
X
Well,
that's
my
next
line.
It
is
to
some
extent
so
so
I
think
it's
really
what
happens
with
the
model.
So
this
this
shows
are
sort
of
the
two
extremes.
Not
two
extremes.
I,
don't
you
know
it
shows
the
model
that
we
have
of
the
development.
I
wouldn't
say
it's
an
extreme
model,
but
it's
definitely
shows
that
many
of
the
properties
that
could
redevelop
do
redevelop
at
some
point
between
now
and
2037,
So
and
I've
taken
2037.
X
D
So,
just
to
add
what
Allah
says:
that's
absolutely
accurate.
She
and
I
have
been
started.
Having
that
conversation
to
him
about
what
the
models
would
look
like
over
the
years
as
we
step
that
down
and
how
we
would
potentially
use
those
that
tax
capacity
to
reinvest
in
ourselves
reinvest
in
a
city
in
other
places.
D
M
V
If
I
may
yes,
but
it's
an
important
point,
because
the
faith
of
the
city
is
on
the
line
here
and
if
the
development
doesn't
occur,
we
have
to
pay
this
as
property
taxpayers.
It
gives
me
a
lot
of
peace,
knowing
that
UVM
in
the
medical
center
are
interested
because,
if
they're,
the
most
reliable,
Partners
I
can
think
of
in
this
region.
So
it
gives
me
confidence
to
support
this
with
this
number
walk
through
I'm
feeling
better
about
it.
X
X
A
B
A
B
D
L
D
D
B
B
A
A
A
W
Folks,
Paul
Connor,
director
of
Planning
and
Zoning,
so
these
are
three
very
different
order
sets
of
rules.
One
is
our
sanitary,
sewage
and
storm
water
systems.
One
is
our
impact
fee
ordinance
and
one
is
our
Planning
and
Zoning
fees,
and
what
do
they
all
come
in
common?
They
all
have
in
common
as
they're
all
fees
to
the
development
Community.
That's
the
common
link
amongst
the
three
of
them.
W
What
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
proposal
that,
where
the
city
is
a
participant
in
the
financing
of
a
project
that
the
ordinances
slash
fees
allow
for
the
these
major
fees
to
be
collected
at
the
time
of
occupancy
of
a
building,
rather
than
at
the
time
of
the
zoning
permit,
which
is
our
default.
The
difference
between
that
is
can
be
18-ish
months
and
the
specifics
of
this
one
is.
W
This
came
as
a
request
from
our
partners
at
Summit,
but
it
would
be
more
broadly
applicable
than
Summit
they've
estimated
that
this
the
the
combination
of
these
three
fees
at
current
interest
rates,
if
they
were
to
be
able
to
delay
that
payment
until
a
later
time,
would
save
them
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
30
to
40
000,
which
is
just
shy
of
the
amount
of
money
from
the
city's,
affordable
housing.
Trust
fund
that
you
have
given
to
the
project
so
in
effect,
they're
taking
out
a
loan
to
pay
a
bank
that
amount
of
money.
W
So
we
thought
boy
there
seem
there
must
be
a
better
way
to
spend
collectively
our
money
than
giving
it
to
interest
to
a
bank.
So
the
proposal
here
is
to
make
that
adjustment
for
these
types
of
projects,
and
if
you
were
so
inclined,
we
would
hold
a
public
hearing
on
or
several
public
hearings,
I
guess,
technically
on
December.
A
A
W
W
Plant
or
in
the
future
of
the
Bartlett
Bay
one,
it
means
that
there
is
a
that.
The
money
comes
in
later
right
for
the
impact
fees.
It
means
that,
whether
it's
the
police
impact
fee
or
the
Recreation
Apache
or
the
highway
impact
fees,
it
means
that
we're
getting
them
again
later
and
so
they're
not
available
for
use
to
spend
on
a
project
until
a
later
time
right.
So
we
collect
that
money
to
do,
let's
say
an
intersection
Improvement
or
some
of
the
things
that.
W
W
D
A
W
W
N
W
B
N
A
W
Yes,
that's
correct,
so
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
were
comfortable
in
proposing
this
as
an
idea
to
counsel
is
that,
while
certificates
of
occupancy
are
at
times
a
little
bit
difficult
to
chase
down
in
the
instance
where
we
are
a
financial
partner
in
the
project,
we
have
many
more
levers
to
make
sure
that
all
of
that
is
completed
and
they
have
all
sorts
of
federal
and
state
and
local
requirements
on
them.
So
we're
pretty
confident
that
we
would
be
getting
to
that
point.
W
W
The
on
the
zoning
side,
the
mechanism
exterior
to
us
that
brings
developers
to
want
to
make
sure
that
they've
got
it
is
that
at
a
time
of
refinancing,
the
banks
want
to
see
it.
But
refinancing
doesn't
always
happen
quickly
for
a
new
project,
so
it's
either
through
developers
who
are
know
how
to
cross
their
T's,
not
their
eyes
or
us,
reminding
them,
and
then
taking
enforcement
action.
If
we
have
to
to
go,
get
their
seal.
A
W
Plan
two,
so
thank
you,
Paul
Connor,
director
of
Planning
and
Zoning.
This
is
a
The
Five-Year
update
to
our
Hazard
mitigation
plan.
We
agreed
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
partner
with
all
but
one
of
the
communities
in
Chittenden
County.
Well,
we
agreed
to
partner
with
everybody.
One
chose
not
to
participate
in
updating
this
document.
W
We
did
several
iterations
of
working
back
and
forth
with
those
partners
and
the
chitty
County
Regional
Planning
Commission.
Obviously,
we've
learned
a
lot
from
the
pandemic,
so
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
of
that
in
the
plan.
There's
a
a
discussion
of
climate
change
in
the
plan
as
being
a
both
shorter
term
and
longer
term
implications,
and
what
the
specifics
for
South
Burlington
are
that
we
have
updated
our
objectives
over
the
next
five
years
of
the
types
of
mitigation
projects
as
with
five
years
ago.
V
S
A
D
Yes,
please
so,
as
you
likely
remember
Andrew,
can
you
pass
around
the
documents
to
be
circular?
As
you
might
remember,
the
council,
during
the
policies
and
strategies
conversation
had
put
on
the
work
plan,
to
look
at
expanding
the
Planning
Commission.
The
charter
commission
moved
that
into
their
work
plan
as
they're
looking
at
governance
over
the
next
year
and
fast-tracked
for
10
meeting
day,
the
Planning
Commission
then
voted
had
a
discussion
about
it
and
voted
to
not
move
forward
to
keep
the
same
composition
as
they
currently
have.
D
The
charter
committee
received
that
had
a
conversation
about
it
and
they,
the
conversation
they
had,
was
to
accept
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
and
not
prioritize
it
over
a
bigger
governance
conversation.
So
we
just
wanted
to
check
in
with
the
council
to
make
sure
you
were
okay
with
that
approach
or
if
you
wanted
to
send
it
back
to
the
Charter
committee
or
if
you
wanted
to
have
it
integrated
into
the
larger
governance
conversation
for
town
meeting
day
2024.
F
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
wouldn't
want
to
oppose
what
the
Planning
Commission
offered
I.
My
thoughts
are
still
the
same
as
they
were
for
as
long
as
I've
been
thinking
about
such
things,
which
is
when
it
comes
to
developer,
review
board
the
Planning
Commission,
there's
so
much
that
you
have
to
know,
and
if
someone
has
to
recuse
themselves
or
someone
is
sick
or
someone
has
to
get
a
step
off.
Seven
is
the
right
number
I
agree,
it's
just
that
it
would
be
helpful
to
fit
and
I.
F
Don't
know
how
to
do
this
have
a
bench
so
that
or
alternate
system.
So
people
could
move
into
that,
whether
it's
the
drb
or
the
Planning
Commission,
because
these
are
so
there's
a
high
level
of
knowledge
that
you
have
to
do
whenever
on
these,
on
these
planning
commissions
or
drb.
That
there's
a
way
to
create
a
pipeline
for
lack
of
a
better
word
to
or
some
sort
of
alternate
system.
F
B
A
Well,
I'm
inclined
to
support
the
Planning,
Commission
I
mean
I
think
originally
they
were
the
ones
who
brought
it
up
and
said:
oh
maybe
it
would
be
good
to
expand
it,
so
we
could
have
some
little
subcommittees
that
aren't
don't
make
it
illegal
to
have
the
majority
me
to
work
on
a
specific
issue,
but
I
guess
when
they
discussed
it
they
decided.
No,
it
works
pretty
well
the
way
it
is.
So,
if
that's
the
case,
it
seems
like
Paul.
Most
people
show
up
right.
You
have
pretty
good
intent.
W
W
Paul
Connor,
director
of
planning
zoning.
So
to
answer
your
first
question:
counselor
really:
yes,
we
have
pretty
good
attendance
across
the
board.
The
remote
technology
has
enabled
even
an
improvement
in
that
which
is
great
statutes,
do
authorize
alternates
to
planning
commissions
and
development
review
boards.
It's
something
I'd
probably
want
to
chat
with
our
City
attorney
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
conflicting
within
our
Charter,
but
it
is
something
that
can
be
explored
as
councilor
Kota
spoke
to
as
to
how
to
best
practices
for
how
to
do
something
like
that.
N
B
W
Would
be
an
alternate
for
a
period
of
time,
so
it
wouldn't
be
an
alternate
for
a
project.
It
would
be
an
alternate
for
just
as
you
would
point
a
full
member
for
the
next
X
period
of
time
and
then
as
needed
in
a
given
project.
There
would
be
procedures
during
which
that
that
person
comes
in
I
think
we
had
one
with
the
development
review
board
a
few
years
ago,
when
the
procedure
was
that
if
the
board
was
down
to
five
voting
members
that
the
bench
would
start.
A
Member
has
lots
of
time
on
his
hands
that
wants
former
one
like
a
maritime
or
something-
and
you
could
fill
in
like
that.
But
that's
not
the
discussion
for
the
moment.
Okay,
so
we're
fine
with
letting
that
go
all
right.
The
last
item
are
we
going
to
go
into
executive
session
for
this
or
not
it's
approval
of
a
lease
for
19
Gregory
Drive.
D
So
we
have
attached.
This
has
already
been
in
the
public
record,
because
the
cwsd
board
approved
it.
We
do
have
the
executive
director
online
as
well
as
well
as
our
real
estate
broker.
So
it's
already
in
the
public
domain.
You
can
improve
it
as
tonight,
but
because
we
didn't
talk
about
it,
our
last
meeting
we
wanted
to
give
you
the
option
to
go
into
executive
session
if
you
so
chose,
but
if
you're
happy
with
it
as
presented,
you
can
approve
it
in
open.
You
have
to
approve
an
open
session
anyway.
A
O
O
O
We
we
found
out
earlier
this
year
that
they
would
not
be
renewing
the
lease,
and
so,
with
the
help
of
our
broker,
Mike
Seminole,
we
were
able
to
to
find
a
a
new
tenant
in
solid
waste
District.
If,
if
you
approve
this
lease,
the
the
15,
a
square
foot
would
increase
by
2.5
percent
each
year
after
five
years.
O
O
The
big
thing
about
this
lease
is
that
cswd
will
be
performing
the
fit
up
for
at
least
so.
The
the
first
three
months
of
the
lease
will
be
rent
free
as
they
perform
fit
up,
which
means
walls,
configuring
the
office
space
to
to
their
to
their
liking,
and
they
will
pay
for
that
with
our
consent
to
to
the
the
moves
that
they
are
making
the
construction
they're
making
once
the
fit
up
period
is,
is
concluded
this
the
end
of
the
three
month
period.
O
They
will
commence
paying
rent
it
fit
up.
Is
you
know,
finished
before
that
they
can
move
in
without
paying
rent,
but
so
the
rent
will
begin
after
the
three-month
fit
up
period
is
over
and
also
if
the
fit
up
period
takes
longer
they'll
be
paying
rent
at
the
same
point
after
the
three
months
is
expired,
so
it's
it's
a
lease
agreement
that
fills
a
hole
in
the
in
the
budget
that
was
left
by
the
our
other
tenant
vacating.
D
A
N
O
V
V
It
I
moved
to
approve
the
lease
agreement,
be
negotiated
between
the
city
and
swd,
as
presented.
I
authorized
authorizing
the
city's
Administration
to
negotiate
and
settle
the
lease
agreements.
Final
details,
such
as
the
dates
fit
up,
will
begin
and
rent
and
occupancy
will
commence
and
authorize
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
lease
agreement
on
behalf
of
the
city.
L
I
B
D
D
I
S
F
U
M
Right
and
I'd
love
to
know
what
what
the
results
of
that
ordinance
have
been
and
whether
they've
had
to
have
enforcement
issues
and
what
the
feedback's
been
from
the
landscapers
about
Capital
costs
or
or
whether
they've
just
had
to
modify
contracts.
Saying
we're
not
going
to
blow
the
grass
that's
cut
we're
just
going
to.
Let
it
sit
there
or
you
know,
are
they
using
brooms
I,
don't
know.