►
From YouTube: South Burlington City Council - 8/15/2022
Description
Call to Order 00:00:00
Public Comment 00:01:38
Announcements and City Manager's Report 00:34:30
Consent Agenda 00:52:37
Climate Change Discussion 00:54:26
Heating Fuels Ordinance 01:12:09
Capital Improvement Plan Reserve Fund 02:22:06
FY22 Year End Financial Projections 02:29:46
FY23 Policy Priorities and Strategies 02:43:57
Reports From Councilors 02:45:41
Total Run Time: 02:49:05
https://linktr.ee/townmeetingtv
Town Meeting TV is a free speech forum and the ideas expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of the Town Meeting TV trustees and staff. If you have a different perspective to share, we invite you to join the conversation! Create your own program or cover a community meeting or event. Contact maketv@cctv.org or call 862-3966.
Thank you for tuning into Town Meeting TV! Please subscribe to our YouTube channel and visit our website for more videos and information about how we open the doors to local government using community media. www.Ch17.TV
This video belongs to http://www.cctv.org and published with permission under Creative Commons License CCTV Center for Media & Democracy Programming is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.
C
C
A
A
A
F
Okay,
I
think
we're
all
set
here
all
right,
betty
malicia
and
I
chair
the
comedy
area
for
dogs
committee.
Thank
you
and
you
can
imagine
what
I'm
here
to
talk
about
we're
very
happy
to
see
that
the
dog
park
is
is
going
in
and
just
here
to
share
some
of
our
concerns
around
that
and
hopefully
be
part
of
the
solution.
With
you
help
you,
you
can
see
I'm.
This
is
a
rough.
This
is
a
somewhat
rough
map
of
the
dog
park
area,
but
it
has
measurements
and
I've
got
committed.
F
So
size
is
probably
the
there's
a
couple
of
critical
pieces
of
this
and
the
first
one
that
we're
concerned
about
right
now
is
the
size
of
the
dog
park
and
it
started
out
as
something
that
when
the
first
application
went
into
the
drb,
it
was
2.52
acres.
I
think
2.53
and
and
then,
when
the
drb
directed
us
to
address
the
wetlands.
F
That's
in
that
are
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
park,
it
reduced
the
size
to
2.19
acres
and,
as
you
can
see
right
now,
the
current
space
is,
I
don't
know
visually
to
me.
It
looks
like
it's
probably
a
third,
if
that
of
the
space
that
we
originally
had
in
mind,
so
I
think
it's
actually
about
an
acre
in
their
variety
of
reasons,
I
can
imagine
what
the
staff
who
were
involved
in
overseeing
this
project.
There
are
a
number
of
challenges
to
that
site.
F
This
rectangle
is
actually
not
a
a
good,
accurate
way
to
look
at
that
particular
piece
of
land.
The
elevation
changes
quite
a
bit
from
the
north
to
the
south.
It
goes
up
quite
a
bit
and
there
are
some
features
to
the
property
that
are
to
the
site
that
are
challenging
for
for
them
to
ex,
to
to
install
fencing
on
and
around
for
safety
reasons,
and
for
practical
reasons.
However,
there's
a
lot
of
this
that
I
think
the
the
whole
green
area
that
you
can
see
up
at
the
top.
F
F
It's
about
a
10,
12
foot,
ledge,
that's
pretty
steep
that
had
to
be
had
to
be
avoided
and
cut
out
of
the
park.
So
just
doing
those
two
things
would
bring
it
down
to.
You
know
pros
approximately
two
acres.
If
that-
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
look
at
how
do
we
add
back
in
as
much
of
that
green
area
that
you
see
going
straight
across
the
top?
F
How
do
we
look
at
the
site
and
practically
speaking,
add
that
that's
part
of
the
drb
approved
site
plan
over
on
the
southeast,
we're
all
looking
at
it
as
if
that
was
north
and
south,
but
on
the
south
east
corner?
There's
there's
a
great
large
area
of
vegetation,
sumac
and
everything,
and
is
that
where
the
question
mark
is
yeah,
we
can't
we
can
tell
we
know
how
far
it
goes
south.
We
know
the
difference
between
where
the
current
place
is.
F
I
don't
know
if
you
call
them
bushes
or
whatever
there,
and
I
think
staff
may
have
thought
that
they
need
to
either
get
rid
of
it
or
avoid
it
with
the
fence,
and
some
of
us
feel
that
it
should
have
been
included
in
the
space
for
the
dogs,
because
this
is
a
wonderful
sight
for
dogs.
It
really
will
be
a
wonderful
sight
when
it's
when
it's
these
things
are
addressed.
F
So
there
are
things
I
think
that
may
have
been
avoided,
some
of
which
needed
to
be
avoided
and
other
things
that
may
have
been
avoided.
That
people
made
assumptions
around
whether
or
not
they
were
safe
for
dogs
and
whether
or
not
maintenance
was
going
to
be
an
issue,
and
I
think
the
committee
should
be
involved
in
whatever
discussions
go
on
around
how
we
remedy
this.
As
far
as
the
size
goes,.
A
F
Is
that
is
there
there's
what
I
call
it
a
knoll,
but
it
is,
there
is
stone
there,
but
rather
than
avoiding
it
and
going
around
it
to
the
south,
which
would
keep
the
dog
park
larger
they
went
around,
it
was
put
in,
the
fence
was
installed
around
the
north
side
of
it,
but
you
can
imagine
right
now
we
lost
84
feet
and
it's
the
ledge.
I
mean
that
knoll
is
definitely
not
84
feet
wide
so
and
I've
walked
up
there
numerous
times
with
various
people,
and
it's
certainly
these
things.
F
A
F
That's
where
the
ledge
was
yeah;
no,
no,
it's
it's
between
there,
but
it's
it's
closer
to
the
orange
line
of
the
park.
Okay,
the
other
thing
that
you're
gonna
have
to
address
and
I
think
it's
a
smaller
issue
for
somebody
else
than
it
is
for
for
us
and
for
this
the
change
of
the
perimeter
is
that
there's
a
there's,
a
post
with
an
electrical
box
on
it
and
that's
inside
by
49
feet.
Oh.
F
Is
yeah?
Okay,
that's
the
post
and
it's
35
feet
north
of
the
fence,
so
it's
that
eats
up
an
enormous
part
of
the
park
too
by
staff
having
gone
put
that
southern
boundary
of
the
park
straight
across
because
they
assumed
we
needed
to
avoid
that
that
stone
and
we
needed
to
avoid
that
post
and
to
go
straight
across
to
comply
with
the
drb
application.
F
That's
how
it
ended
up
being
straight
across
the
top
and
again
we
we're
our
feeling
is
or
our
opinion
is.
I
will
say
opinion
because
we've
got
people
on
this
committee
who
have
lots
of
experience
and
knowledge,
and
I
would
say
it
it's
a
shame
that
we
aren't
consulted
on
these
things.
So
anyway,
here
is
where
we're
at,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
know
where
things
are
going,
what
the
process
is
going
to
be
for
addressing
this,
but
I
guess
the
committee.
F
We
feel
that
this
park,
if
you
can,
if
it
can
be
addressed
sometime
soon,
we
should
not
open
the
park
because
you
can
see
how
small
that
park
is,
and
you
know,
and
if
people
start
using
that
park,
I
think
we
could
end
up
with
this
becoming
a
a
back
burner
item
to
address.
You
know
in
the
future
and
it's
it's
it's
not
right,
it
should
be
fixed.
This
should
be
fixed,
should
be
corrected.
We've
been
waiting
three
years.
F
We
will
have,
there
are
kind
of
three
silos
of
dog
people.
Well,
maybe
four,
but
you've
got
the
people
who
have
small
dogs
and
are
willing
to
use
a
small,
very
small
dog
park.
There
are
people
who
have
large
dogs
who
need
a
space
that
a
tiny
small
dog
park
is
not
appropriate,
but
they
feel
their
dog
needs
to
be
in
a
secure,
fenced
in
area.
F
Even
we've
got
a
committee
member
who
has
a
husky
and
he's
afraid
to
let
his
husky
off
leash
because
he
said
he'll
just
take
off,
so
he
needs
an
area,
that's
fenced.
In
you
know,
we've
got
somebody
with
newfie
two
new
fees
where
they,
you
know
how
are
they
gonna
use
this
small
space?
You
know.
So
there
are
all
kinds
of
dogs,
but
then
they're
still
going
to
be
so.
F
B
F
Dogs
that
are
running
off
leash,
but
I
think
some
people
run
their
dogs
off
leash.
Who
would
feel
this
park
was
appropriate
if
it
was
larger
and
it
was
where
it
should
be.
I
mean
if
it
was
the
size,
it
should
be.
They'd
feel
like
their
dog
had
at
least
some.
You
know
some
room
to
run
and
then
there
are
going
to
be
people
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at.
F
It's
definitely
not
wheelchair
accessible.
Just
the
surface
material.
Isn't
you
couldn't
get
in
with
a
wheelchair?
It's
it's
pea,
gravel
and
we
know
folks
who
use
wheelchairs
and
who
could
not
get
into
the
dog
park,
and
we
cannot
say
well,
there's
some
people
who
just
can't
use
this
dog
park.
This
dog
park
has
to
be
open
to
everybody,
so
that
is
number
I
you
balance.
F
It
now
his
size
and
accessibility
are
two
critical
features:
okay
and
then-
and
I
would
say
next
would
be-
would
come
shade
and
some
seating
you
know
but
shade
it's
this
thing
is
totally
out
in
the
sun,
so
you
know,
I
think,
that's
an
amenity
that
is
quite
important
in
a
space
like
this,
but
accessibility
in
size.
Our
first
two
challenges.
F
F
F
You
know
ledges
or
knolls
and
and
the
vegetation
on
the
east
side
and
what
what
could
be
done-
and
I
think
it
will
take
some.
You
know
some
a
little
bit
of
direction
from
leadership.
I
think
in
saying
well
this
is
this
dog
park's
important,
and
it
may
mean
that
you
have
to
weed
whack
instead
of
mowing.
You
know
it.
It
may
be
that
you
have
to
put
some
time
into
this.
G
G
Hi
barbara
service
I
live
in
summer
woods
I
was
the
chair
of
the
original
dog
park
task
force
back
in
the
dark
ages,
or
so
it
seems
now
and
I
and
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
they
were
all
kidding.
But
we
all
remember,
on
june
5th
2019
the
council
approved
a
plan
that
included
a
larger
dog
park
than
what's
here
and
then
came
the
perfect
storm.
G
So
in
the
perfect
storm
we
had
covid.
I
don't
need
to
remind
you
about
that.
We
had
two
significant
staff,
people
who
were
changed
and
there
were
just
a
lot
of
transitions
and
so
we're
hoping
that
that
perfect
storm
can
be
remedied.
There
was
conversation
I
heard,
and
you
know,
but
the
things
you
hear,
but
there
was
conversation.
I
heard
that
there
was
a
suggestion.
Well,
let's
wait
and
see
what
the
public
has
to
say.
G
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
heard
already
from
people
who
came
to
the
meetings
that
we
conducted
in
2018
and
2019
saying
you
promised
us
and
our
promise
has
been
broken,
and
I
think
that
the
council
committed
to
the
plan
the
committee
committed
to
the
plan.
Everybody
was
around
it
and
we
have
now
broken
that
promise
and
it's.
This
is
not
about
pointing
fingers.
G
G
Dorset
street
come
down
dorset
street
and
you
see
it
and
then
you
realize
the
size
of
it
and
it's
it's
not
going
to
work
and
as
you
get
closer,
you
then
see
the
access
issues
and
one
of
the
people
who
came
faithfully
to
those
meetings
is
a
woman
who
uses
a
wheelchair
to
walk
her
dog
and
she
will
not
be
able
to
take
her
dog
to
that
dog
park
because
she
won't
be
able
to
get
into
the
entrance.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
B
H
That's
fine!
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
just
wanted
to
also
comment
as
a
member
of
the
committee,
that
I
too
feel
that
the
dog
park
is
too
small
and
you've
heard
much
about
that
tonight.
The
only
thing
that
I
will
add
that
the
committee
felt
as
part
of
our
discussion
was
that
we
hoped
that
this
increase
in
size
and
doing
this
would
help
to
alleviate
the
problem
of
dogs
running
loose
in,
like
red
rocks,
wheeler
nature
area.
H
As
you
can
see,
I
do
have
limited
mobility
and
the
park
is
not
ada
compliant,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
has
surprised
me
that
with
brand
new
construction,
this
park
from
the
get-go
is
not
going
to
be
ada
compliant,
and
I
feel
it
should
be
right
now.
I
would
have
great
difficulty
taking
my
dog
to
a
dog
park
and
trying
to
navigate
that
one,
particularly
because
I
have
problems
with
like
uneven
ground.
I
H
I'm
interested
that
this
city
is
currently
you
know
doing
a
community
survey
asking
how
to
use
three
million
dollars
that
is
supposedly
unallocated
to
this
point
in
time.
Well,
I
think,
if
you
added
some
money
into
this
dog
park,
you
could
cover
what
is
required,
and
I
feel
that
this
is
something
that
should
be
done.
H
A
B
J
As
guns
does
helen,
I
see
her
everywhere
like
I
am,
and
I
have
to
say
that
I
really
feel
if
we're
looking
for
money
and
looking
to
extend
the
dog
to
park
needs
to
be
open
for
people
to
use
now,
and
we
need
a
plan
for
the
spring
because
the
more
we
talk
about
it,
the
more
delay
and
we
won't
have
it
before
winter-
and
I
don't-
I
really
don't
feel
the
dog
committee
will
have
any
credibility
experience.
It's
not
good.
J
Now
you
keep
telling
me
linda
and
I'm
not
speaking
for
myself,
I'm
speaking
for
people
on
hayes
and
hinesburg
road
and
dorset
who
have
dogs,
so
I'm
just
saying
we
need
to
weigh.
Can
we
do
it
now
with
the
promise
that
land
is
going
to
be
there
first
thing
in
the
spring,
so
that
we
can
thoughtfully
think
about
how
we're
going
to
fund
it?
And
how
are
we
going
to
do
it?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
K
K
We
need
to
get
this
right
if
we
have
to
wait
another
year.
That's
I
guess
what
we
have
to
do,
but
it
it
doesn't
just
make
the
it
doesn't
just
detract
from
the
credibility
of
the
committee.
Nobody
knows
about
the
committee,
but
it
detracts
from
the
credibility
of
south
burlington
as
a
city
and
as
a
community,
so
it
I
I
just
implore
you
to
get
serious
about
this.
L
K
Providing
a
a
a
workable
dog
park
is
absolutely
essential
to
making
this
a
community
where
people
want
to
live
that.
I
I
don't
know
how
to
say
that
more
more
straight,
more
simply
it
it's
it's
critical
and
we
need
the
area
enlarged
as
much
as
possible
as
close
to
the
two
acres
that
that
we
were
expecting
and
we
need
to
make
it
ada
compliant
thanks
very
much.
A
M
M
The
problem
with
the
dog
park
is,
we
were
approved
for
a
much
larger
area
and
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
when
they
were
putting
in
the
fencing.
So
I
believe
we
need
to
comply
with
what
we're
approved
for
by
the
drb
and
it's
not
so
much
an
issue
with
ada.
Accessibility
is
accessibility
for
anybody
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
even
open
the
gate.
If
you
had
to
outside
outward
to
try
to
get
to
the
park
is
an
issue
right
now,
because
there's
a
dirt,
berm
and
trying
to
get
up
and
over
that.
M
That
was
also
addressed
on
the
permit
from
the
drb.
So
there's
supposed
to
be
like
a
pathway
for
the
parking
area
across
to
the
entrance
to
the
dog
park,
and
that
has
not
happened.
So
we
do
need
help
trying
to
get
the
park
enlarged
to
what
it's
supposed
to
be
and
to
get
that
fixed,
so
that
people
will
be
able
to
actually
get
over
there
without
having
to
climb
up
over
a
dirt
burn.
N
N
As
far
as
trying
to
get
more
attention
to
the
dog
park
and
my
daughter
who's
now
high
school
senior
started,
this
process
started
participating
in
this
process
when
she
was
in
seventh
grade,
and
you
know
the
delays
that
keep
going
as
as
have
been
mentioned,
and
I
hate
meetings
where
people
repeat
themselves,
but
I
get
I
got
to
be
me.
It
really
is
crazy
to
think
about
like
how
long
the
signs
have
been
up.
N
You
know
this.
This
has
got
to
be
a
priority.
It
was
approved
for
the
certain
size
and
it's
not
even
close
to
that.
So
it's
not
even
a
question
of
compromising
it's.
A
question
of
someone
just
like
took,
took
the
reins
and
ran
with
it
and
did
their
own
thing
and
that's
unfortunate,
but
you
know
perspective
my
my
dog
was
six
when
we
started
this
whole
thing,
and
now
now
he's
11..
N
You
know
I'd
like
to
see
him
enjoy
a
dog
park
in
the
area
rather
than
like
driving
up
to
star
farm
or
over
to
essex
and
for
the
amount
that
like
what
you've
done
with
the
community
as
far
as
building
the
center
and
just
expanding
on
it.
By
developing
this
idea
of
like
a
community
in
south
burlington
to
not
have
like
this
dog
park,
access
done
already
is
really
disappointing
and
so
anyways,
my
my
daughter
would
be
here
she
might
be
on
her
way.
N
A
O
A
P
P
I
learned
a
lot
and
I
want
to
thank
donna
kimville.
I
had
no
idea
how
much
appreciation
that
we
all
owe
her
for
running
a
successful
election.
It
is
a
really
challenging
technological.
She
doesn't
sleep
for
like
38
hours
and
it's
just
amazing
how
that
how
it
all
comes
together.
I
will
say
we
have
a
new
polling
place,
so
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
I
was
at
that
new
polling
place.
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
explaining
that
it
is
a
new
polling
place
and
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
mistake.
P
P
P
P
As
advocates
for
guardians
of
dogs
and
dogs
in
our
community,
and
I
understand
their
frustrations
completely
full
disclosure,
I
have
a
saint
bernard
puppy
and
would
very
much
like
that
dog
park
to
be
open.
I
have
I
have
opinions
that
may
differ
from
the
rest
of
the
dog
park
committee.
I
think
absolutely
100
percent.
It
needs
to
be
accessible.
We
need
to
change
the
entrance,
so
it's
safe
for
dogs
and
dog
guardians.
P
P
P
A
Q
Q
On
yeah
it
is
I'm
adam
maloney,
and
I
was
originally
on
the
dog
community
council
when
I
was
in
eighth
grade
and
now
I'm
graduating
high
school,
and
we
have
worked
so
hard.
I
remember
when
I
was
younger
and
we
didn't
have
any
hope
of
their
being
built
one
for
a
really
really
long
time
and
whatnot,
and
so
now
to
find
out
that
we
weren't
given
the
adequate
space
and
then
finding
out
the
person
who
told
us
we
originally
were
going
to
have
that
space
resigned
and
whatnot.
Q
Just
kind
of
shocked
me
that
south
burlington
could
be
like
that,
because
I've
lived
here,
my
entire
life.
I've
been
in
the
same
house
since
I
was
a
little
kid
and
having
this
dog
park
would
be
just
so
much
better
for
not
only
south
burlington,
but
also
like
people
of
hinesburg
and
whatnot,
because
the
closest
good
dog
park
is
all
the
way
downtown
burlington.
Q
Have
your
dog
just
go
in
the
car
for
the
shade
you'd
rather
have
it
in
the
dog
park,
where
you
yourself
can
also
be
in
the
shade
and
whatnot
too,
and
also
having
it
like.
It
seems
finished
too,
and
I
hope
that
it
can
open
pretty
soon
too,
because
I'd
be
able.
I
would
like
to
bring
my
dog
there
before,
like
he's
too
old
for
it
and
whatnot
and
like
with
the
saint
bernard
puppy.
D
Can't
so
I
was
the
presiding
officer
at
the
chamberlain
school
district
for
the
primary
election
and
it
went
very
smoothly
the
the
new
machines
I
thought
operated.
Well,
they
were
a
little
slower,
but
you
got
at
least
a
ding
ding.
You
know
if
the
vote
went
through
correctly.
What
I
really
liked
was
the
fact
that
the
write-ins
deviate
from
the
old
path
into
the
hopper
and
actually
go
into
a
separate
compartment.
That's
separated
physically
from
the
rest
of
the
ballot.
D
So
when
it
was
time
to
retrieve
those,
you
didn't
have
to
like
pull
everything
out
and
then
imagine
that
some
are
mixed
in
with
the
others
and
then
have
to
sort
through
the
whole
thing.
The
really
magical
part
of
it
was
that
we
didn't
even
have
to
check
the
write-in
ballots
at
all,
because
the
machines,
if
you
chose
on
the
menu
at
closing
the
poll
time,
would
spit
out
a
nice
ticker
tape
of
a
scan
of
every
write-in
for
every
primary
for
every
race.
D
B
D
And
then
you
could
just
tally
them
very
quickly
without
having
to
sort
through.
You
know
a
stack
of
ballots,
for
you
know
that
are
separated
by
dem
republican
and
progressive.
So
that's
that's
a
really
nice
feature
that
I
didn't
really
know
about
when
we
went
in,
but
when
we
printed
that
out,
it
became
very
useful.
D
So
so
that
was
good.
I
did
get
a
couple
texts
from
residents
who
were
concerned
about
some
confusion
over
the
new
district,
and
I
did
make
an
effort
by
posting
in
that
facebook
group,
bsb,
vt
community
watch
about
the
news
district,
with
a
link
to
the
pdf
of
the
map
and
a
link
to
a
pdf
of
all
the
streets
that
were
affected,
telling
people
what
to
look
for
to
see
if
their
street
was
affected
in
a
few
inch
in
eight,
and
I
also
posted
that
in
the
seq
front,
porch
forum.
D
But
that
being
said,
I
think,
before
the
primary
we
might
want
to
call
upon
avalon
and
the
other
paper
to
have
a
front
page
story.
Maybe
a
couple
weeks
before
the
election
saying
check
these,
you
know
streets
to
make
sure
that
you
vote
in
the
same
place.
Otherwise
you're
going
to
be
going
to
city
hall
so
other
than
that.
I
had
some
conversations
with
a
resident
on
golf
course:
road
about
mr
hergenrother's
project
on
long
drive
and
the
amount
of
noise
coming
from
the
ledge.
D
The
noise
is
a
little
bit
reduced
from
what
it
was
originally
two
years
ago,
because
it's
behind
a
small
hillock,
it's
it's
down
closer
to
the
to
the
pan
of
the
land,
where
the
golfing
actually
takes
place
in
the
backside
and
they're
they're
digging
this
really
narrow
trench
in
between
the
trees
to
put
in
a
storm
water
conveyance
tube
of
something
of
some
sort.
So
I
think
there
was
an
email
that
came
out
friday
saying
that
they
were
90
done.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
the
good
news
is
we
had
the
largest
primary
turnout,
25
or
second
largest.
So
at
least
a
lot
of
people
who
had
a
new
polling
spot
figured
that
out
may
have.
They
may
have
had
to
make
a
couple
trips,
but
they
figured
out
so
now
they
know,
and
it
should
be
run
a
little
more
smoothly
in
that
respect
next
year.
A
Well,
I've
had
a
really
busy
couple
weeks.
I
am
the
liaison
for
the
natural
resources
committee
and
when
I
visited
their
meeting
or
sat
through
it,
they
had
two
questions
for
us.
So
at
some
point
the
council
may
want
to
discuss
this.
They
wanted
to
know
really
what
their
role
with
the
drb
should
be.
They
used
to,
they
felt
have
a
a
bigger
role
and
it
just
isn't
clear
to
them.
A
A
A
Educating
them
again
about
the
ins
and
outs
of
open
meeting
law
and
committee
work
and
their
roles
as
committee
members,
and
so
jesse
did
a
great
overview
of
kind
of
the
city
and
then
colin
went
through
the
legal
stuff,
and
so
I
think
it
was
well
received,
and
it
was
great
to
see
that
many
people-
I
also
attended
kind
of
a
hearing.
I
guess
for
the
climate
task
force,
and
that
was
good
and
then
I
worked
the
elections
11
hours.
A
It
was
a
long
day,
but
I
agree
with
tim
and
matt
and
and
oh
I
forgot
megan,
we'll
get
you
next
megan
that
it
really
did
work
much
better,
and
I
was
pleased
with
that.
I
also
attended
the
planning
commission
meeting
and
I
also
met
with
the
vermont
gas
systems.
Oh
they
don't
call
it
that.
I'm
sorry
vgs
about
our
suggestion,
or
I
don't
know,
recommendation
for
the
ordinance
and
heard
from
them.
A
E
Sure,
well,
I
can
certainly
speak
now.
I
know
that
we
have
another
item
for
the
committee
assignments
I
might
hold
off
on
the
affordable
housing
and
the
housing
trust
fund
committee
till
then,
but
just
don't
don't
want
to
be
the
sole
counselor
to
say
I
have
nothing
other
than
the
dog
park.
I
agree
with
all
of
you
there
that
I
don't
quite
understand
what
happened
and
that
this
just
has
to
get
fixed.
We
need
to.
We
need
to
move
that
fence,
so
I
just
want
that
to
be.
C
So
I
will
definitely
put
on
a
future
council
agenda
dog
parks
I'll
give
you
a
full
update,
a
couple
of
other
things
for
me.
If
for
residents
who
are
here
in
the
audience
or
watching
at
home,
you
have
until
midnight
to
pay
your
taxes,
put
them
in
the
drop
box.
Here
at
city
hall,
as
has
been
mentioned,
we
have
two
really
critical
opportunities
for
public
feedback
out.
C
There's
a
survey
up
for
the
climate
action
plan,
encourage
folks
to
go
online
and
review
that
plan
and
provide
feedback,
as
well
as
the
arpa
survey,
which
is
closing
on
august
26th.
If
folks
want
to
provide
final
comments
on
how
the
council
should
consider
using
those
dollars,
megan
may
be
talking
about
this
later,
but
a
huge
thanks
to
the
affordable
housing
committee
and
housing
trust
fund
committee
for
spending.
All
morning
on
friday,
reviewing
the
rfps
we
received
for
the
use
of
arbor
funds
for
to
incentivize
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
C
Quick
update
on
the
dorset
street
signal
work.
We
finally
received
our
vtrans
permit
to
bid
out
that
project.
It's
called
the
111
permit
that
we
have
to
get
from
veterans
to
bid
that
out.
We
hope
to
have
the
bids
back
by
september.
It
is
a
very
complicated
project,
so
I
think
we
will
likely
be
coming
forward
to
you
with
some
project
updates
on
that
later
on.
C
Members
who
make
that
happen,
we
also
had
our
most
successful
library
programming
program
to
date
of
jennifer's
tenure
with
us.
With
the
summer
reads
program
we
had
306
kids,
submit
1996
submittals
for
the
summer
reading
program
and
an
additional
432
people
attend
programs.
So
thanks
to
kelly
and
natasha
for
a
really
well
well
planned
programming.
C
Thank
you
for
the
reminder
about
the
bike.
Ped
bridge
public
hearing
on
august
31st,
here
at
in
this
room
at
6
30.
the
they
will
be
presenting
three
design
options
to
the
community
for
feedback
on
what
to
move
forward.
I've
gotten
a
little
preview
of
them,
they're
really
exciting.
I'm
really
encourage
people
to
tune
into
that
and
then
finally,
just
the
illuminate
our
illuminate
vermont
festival,
which
will
be
december
16th
and
17th
on
market
street.
C
This
winter
we
got
the
accd
grant
for
that
is
coming
along
travis
london
rec
is
doing
a
great
job
planning
that
the
website
www.illuminatvermont.com
is
up
and
running.
You
can
track
progress
there
in
eastern
real
estate.
The
new
owners
of
the
mall
are
sponsoring
the
events
in
this
room
for
that
festival.
So
nice
community
contribution.
A
Great
thank
you.
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item
six
the
consent
agenda.
There
are
five
items
side
of
the
disbursements
minutes
from
our
steering
committee
meeting
of
june
22,
an
update
from
the
chittenden
county
public
safety
authority,
appointed
designee,
the
financial
statements
for
july
2022
and
approving
a
grant
for
engineering
design
of
logwood
stormwater
infiltration
project.
E
Megan
yeah
I
yeah
there
was,
let
me
just
find
it
the
sunbelt
rentals
for
the
shovel.
I
was
just
curious:
why
we're
renting
a
shovel?
Is
this
a
special
kind
of
shovel
that
we
normally
don't?
Have
it's
sun
belt
rentals
shovel
for
35
dollars?
I
mean,
I
know
it's
not
a
big
charge,
but
I
was
just
curious.
R
A
R
A
L
A
A
P
Just
today,
I
attended
two
different
meetings
of
the
vermont
climate
council:
that's
the
23-member
appointed
body
to
design
climate
policy
in
vermont,
including
the
steering
committee
and
the
transportation
task
group,
which
is
creating
a
carbon
reduction
strategy
to
ensure
that
those
that
can't
live
near
the
employment
centers
because
they
can't
afford
homes
are
the
ones
that
we're
focusing
on
to
get
zero
emission
vehicles
or
higher
mileage
vehicles.
So
we
can
reduce
transportation
emissions.
P
P
P
A
week
ago,
from
today
last
monday,
the
vermont
interagency
committee
on
administrative
rules,
also
known
as
icar,
which
is
made
up
of
officials
with
the
government
with
governor
scott's
administration,
approved
the
clean
car
and
clean
truck
2
standard.
This
is
a
california
regulation
which
dictates
how
many
cars
must
be
zero
emission
vehicles
scaling
up.
So
if
this
becomes
the
regulation,
all
the
car
lots
on
shelburne
road
and
all
throughout
vermont
35
percent
of
those
vehicles
on
the
lot
will
need
to
be
zero
emission
vehicles
by
2026.
P
by
2035.
100
of
those
vehicles
need
to
be
zero
emission
vehicles.
The
same
is
true
for
trucks
but
to
a
lesser
degree,
medium
and
heavy-duty
trucks.
Think
of
the
garbage
trucks
and
the
buses
and
the
fuel
trucks
will
have
to
be
a
let
30
will
have
to
be
electric
or
zero
emission
by
the
end
of
the
decade.
P
P
In
short,
this
is
how
we
make
sure
there
is
uniformity
in
building
and
design
throughout
vermont
to
ensure
the
highest
levels
of
energy
efficiency
in
the
use
of
renewable
energy.
This
will
become
part
of
the
regulation
will
be
before
icar
in
october
and
will
likely
be
enforced
and
enacted
in
january.
D
The
other
point
about
the
electric
vehicle
tax
incentives
that
are
featured
in
that
bill
will
probably
have
no
effect
here
in
vermont
for
many
many
years,
because
it
requires
the
cars
to
have
100
of
their
batteries,
be
built
in
the
united
states.
So
until
those
batteries
are
furnished
in
such
a
way
that
meets
that
build
specifications,
those
tax
incentives
won't
be
available
to
on
any
cars
you
buy
here,
but
you
know
it
it's
a
direction
to
move
in
and
I'm
glad
that
they
passed
it
so
and
we're
getting
there
thanks.
E
Tom
I
I
certainly
celebrated
when
the
ir
the
inflation
reduction
act
was
was
passed.
I
think
that's
that's
a
major
piece
of
legislation
so,
and
I
I
think
that
I
don't
know-
I
think,
we'll
see
we'll
see
with
regard
to
all
the
points
that
tim
raised,
but
I
I
have
hoped
that
you
know
there
will
be
incentives
for
for
manufacturing
to
to
develop
in
this
country,
which
is
the
positive,
and
I
also
think
that
it
will
keep
keep
prices
lower
than
it
would
be
if
this
hadn't
passed.
E
A
A
S
Hi
john
bossage
from
golf
course
road.
I
will
say
before
I
begin
how
reassuring
is
to
hear
how
smoothly
our
elections
went.
Given
the
turmoil
and
everything
nationally,
we
here
and
here
we
are
with
such
great
reports,
another
polling
place
and
this
movement
operating
machines
just
really
nice
to
have
have
that
happen
in
our
town.
S
This
is
a
well-educated
community
who
accepts
the
science
that
explains
the
devastating
impact
that
humans
have
had
on
heating,
the
heating
of
our
planet.
It's
not
natural,
but
it
is
human
caused,
but
I
do
think.
Maybe
just
maybe
there
are
climate
delayers
in
our
city,
and
that
worries
me
a
bit
and
that's
why
I'm
here
to
speak
with
you
for
just
a
few
minutes.
S
Your
climate
action
task
force
asks
you
to
adopt
a
plan
to
reduce
south
burlington's
carbon
footprint,
beginning
in
january
2023,
by
focusing
on
homes
and
commercial
buildings
which
contribute
to
what
I
didn't
know
was
34
percent
of
the
carbon
greenhouse
gases
in
our
city
and
to
utilize
renewable
primary
heating
systems,
which
means
using
electricity.
Maybe
wood
chips,
electric
heat
pumps,
beginning
in
2023.
S
That
plan
recommends
that
all
new
buildings
have
a
carbon
free
primer,
heating
system,
hot
water
system
in
order
to
receive
a
permit
to
build.
Well,
there's
nothing
novel
really
about
this
type
of
ordinance.
It's
been
done
all
over
the
country,
as
we
know
and,
as
you
know,
even
next
door
to
our
city
in
burlington.
S
S
S
Of
course,
a
developer
can
build
mixed
housing
units
for
our
children's
future.
All
lunch
construction
in
the
use
of
primary
heating
systems
is
less
expensive.
To
build
a
developer
sales
will
be
booming.
I
think
just
booming,
as
a
younger
generation
responds
positively
to
their
commitment
to
help
mitigate
the
climate
crisis.
S
S
S
S
S
S
Remember
when
there
were
no
renewable
primary
heating
systems
in
homes
and
commercial
buildings.
Why
did
we
allow
that
back
then?
Well,
we're
here
again
at
the
crossroads.
We
must
not
deny
and
of
course
we
must
not
delay.
Please
work
closely
with
your
climate
action
task
force
and
make
their
recommendations
into
an
ordinance
for
the
sake
of
the
future
of
our
children.
S
B
A
T
Yeah
sure
dan
albrecht,
south
burlington
resident
proctor
avenue
my
only
question's
really
just
about
process
cause.
I
thought
we
were
still
in
the
middle
of
collecting
public
feedback
on
the
climate
change
plan,
so
it
just
seems
premature
to
take
action
on
an
action
on
an
item
from
that
plan.
Before
that
process,
public
comment
process
had
ended.
That's
all.
A
Okay,
well,
I
think
the
account
thank
you.
It
is
unusual.
I
would
agree
the
climate
task
force.
I
think,
made
a
case
and
brought
to
us
this
ordinance
that
they
felt
should
happen
sooner
rather
than
later
versus
the
entire
action
plan,
which
is
enormous,
and
the
majority
of
the
council
agreed
that
we
should
at
least
look
at
the
ordinance,
see
what
it
looks
like
and
consider
earlier,
rather
than
later,
whether
this
is
something
that
we
wanted
to
adopt.
A
That's
not
I
I
don't
know
if
we
will,
but
that
that
is
the
process.
We
agreed
to
believing
that
this
was
one
piece
of
the
recommendations
that
potentially
could
go
forward
sooner,
particularly
since
our
sister
city
burlington
had
already
gone
down
that
road.
So
that
was
the
process
we
engaged
in
daniel.
P
Not
only
do
I
provide
them
legislative
and
regulatory
assistance
to
these
skilled
trades
people.
I
also
run
a
school
we've
trained.
Thousands
of
heating
technicians,
delivery
drivers,
people
that
work
on
the
electrical
systems
like
license
licensed
electricians
s
licensed
plumbers,
oil,
gas,
tax,
electricians,
plumbers,
fuel
delivery,
drivers,
thermal
efficiency,
experts.
P
A
C
Great
thanks
so
to
be
a
timely,
timely
staff,
responsive
to
the
council's
wishes
and
hopefully
hold
the
trust
of
the
community
that
I
hope
is
not
eroding
at
all.
We
have
spent
staff
has
spent
a
bunch
of
time
in
the
last
two
weeks
drafting
an
ordinance
for
your
consideration
as
well
as
talking
about
how
administratively
we
can
do
that
me.
We
could
implement
such
an
ordinance
immediately.
C
So,
starting
with
the
ordinance,
a
couple
high
level
bullets.
We
have
based
this
on
three
main
goals:
we've
mirrored
the
city
of
burlington's
ordinance,
we've
added
hot
water
to
that
at
your
direction,
and
we
have
included
language.
We
need
to
make
the
administrative
changes
we
need
to
make
locally
because
our
systems
are
different
than
burlington
to
enforce.
These
you'll
see
a
few
highlights
as
you
consider
this
draft.
C
C
C
C
This
would
be
enforced
with
certificates
of
compliance
on
all
new
construction,
including
single-family
homes
that
are
not
currently
do
not
currently
have
involvement
with
that
process
in
the
city.
So
that
would
be
a
new
addition
and
it's
all
approved
through
self-certification,
including
waiver
requests.
C
No
inspections
will
be
done,
but
enforcement
mechanisms
will
be
through
the
fire
marshal's
office.
So
that's
the
ordinance
before
you
in
terms
of
future
capacity.
We
believe
that,
through
the
addition,
thank
you
very
much
council
of
having
now,
both
with
chief
lock
on
board
a
fire
chief
and
a
fire
marshal.
C
Building
inspection
support
to
actually
do
those
inspections
on
single
family
homes
and
education
and
communication
support,
and
if
you
give
us
that
direction,
we
will
start
looking
at
that
for
the
fy
24
budget.
So
those
are
introductory
comments
chief,
lock
and
the
city
attorney
are
here.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
for
them.
Obviously,
andrew
is
here
as
well,
and
is
the
expert
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
D
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
these
randomly,
not
in
any
order.
The
revocation
of
appointment,
section
7.
It
says
upon
recommendation
of
the
city
manager,
the
city
council
may
remove
the
appointed
building
inspector
any
time
do
we
need
to
add
for
any
reason
just
to
just
I'm
just
curious.
Just
these
things
I
just
found
I
was
like
well,
why
does
it
say?
For
any
reason
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
that's
necessary
or
not,
but
does
that
is
that
implied
if
you
say
at
any
time.
C
D
Think
there
are
also
some
some
minor
like
grammar,
you
know
wordsmithing
things
I
found,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
them,
because
this
is
just
the
first
draft.
So
I
guess
my
one
of
my
first
questions
is
today:
there
are
no
certificates
of
occupancy
that
are
given
out
for
single-family
homes.
Is
that
correct?
D
Okay,
so
I
I'm
a
real
stickler
when
it
comes
to
making
sure
that
new
homes
are
built
according
to
specifications
and-
and
I
know
that
most
builders
honor
that
requirement,
but
I
I
just
don't
understand
why
single-family
homes
have
always
been
excluded
in
south
burlington.
I
don't
know
what
the
history
is
of
that
burlington.
D
D
D
D
W
Think
our
charge
from
the
I
recall
the
charge
from
the
council
is
that
was
kind
of
the
the
words
that
were
used
and
instructing
us
to
include
that.
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
that
we
included
it.
I
won't
profess
to
be
a
utilities
expert
or
a
hot
water
or
heating
system
expert,
but
we
try
to
come
up
with
language
based
on
what
and
what
the
recommendation
was.
So
that
can
change
based
on
what
the
experts
would
say
in
this
field.
Okay,.
D
A
C
D
D
D
Do
we
want
to
consider
hydrogen
as
well?
Is
it
too
early
to
to
add
hydrogen
to
that
mixture,
so
to
speak
as
a
renewable
gas,
I
mean
my
employer
is
talking
about
installing
an
electrolyzer
to
you
know,
turn
water
into
hydrogen
and
inject
it
right
into
the
the
methane
you
know
from
the
network
for
for
heating
things
at
the
site,
and
I
I
think
that
that's
going
to
come
into
play
more
and
more.
O
On
that
point,
I
don't
want
to
take
you
off
your
list.
I
know
in
previous
ordinances.
We've
done
a
really
good
job
of
referring
to
state
statutes
so
that,
if
our
language
should
we
have
to
keep
on
evolving
hours.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
as
we
go
to
the
next
version
and
iteration
of
this,
but
referring
to
any
state
defined
definition
of
what
a
renewable
energy
source
is
which
might
encompass
hydrogen
in
the
future.
Okay.
D
There
has
to
be
a
solar
kilowatt
requirement,
that's
based
on
some
formula
for
the
space
of
the
house
or
the
volume
or
whatever
it
is,
and
maybe
we
don't
get
it
in
this
round,
but
really
every
new
unit,
that's
built
in
the
city,
should
come
with
some
solar
along
with
it
and
if
you
have
to
sacrifice
either
some
land
space
or
some
roof
space
or
some
parking
canopy
space,
I
don't
want.
I
wouldn't
call
those
sacrifices.
D
D
O
So
my
question
is:
I
want
to
restate
from
the
outset
that
I
still
support
doing
what
burlington
did.
My
pause
is
similar
to
what
I
had
at
the
last
meeting
that
I'd
love
to
ask
the
administration
how
much
testimony
or
conversation
they've
had
around
the
hot
water
heaters.
It's
just
it's
unclear
to
me,
especially
with
the
two
bullets
in
the
draft
memo.
O
More
specifically,
I've
received,
I
don't
know
two
emails
from
individuals
today,
calling
for
questions
about
how
hot
water
heaters
could
be
electrified
in
multi-unit,
family
or
large,
complex
places.
If
that
technology
even
exists,
the
economics,
the
costs
is
certainly
an
aspect
of
this,
whether
or
not
they
can
afford
the
electricity
to
do
it.
O
I
also
am
very
interested
to
know
who
we've
heard
from
in
as
experts
in
this
field,
and
maybe
resident
coda
can
speak
to
some
of
this,
but
having
to
do
with
the
the
safety
I
just
think
of
ice
storms,
and
if
the
electricity
goes
out
for
a
few
days,
individuals
in
high
density
housing
that
might
not
have
the
means
to
escape
a
severe
weather
incident.
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we
are
not
putting
them
up
into
a
circumstance
where
they
could
be
at
risk
of
going
cold
in
the
great
state
of
vermont.
O
So
I'd
love
to
know,
seeing
that
burlington
spent
three
years
drafting
this
ordinance,
which
again
I
support
doing
what
burlington
did
also
on
the
ordinance
inspections
and
so
on.
I'm
really
curious
who
the
administration
has
heard
from
so
far
in
the
hot
water
aspects
and
whether
or
not
we're
ready
to
venture
into
that
space.
D
Just
a
point
about
losing
power,
I
mean,
even
if
you
were,
if
you
had
a
natural
gas
furnace,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
any
power.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
heat
out
of
it
because
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
light
the
flame
in
the
first
place
and
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
to
run
a
blower.
But
if
you
had
a
natural
gas
fireplace
that
didn't
have
an
electric
ignition
that
had
a
pilot
light,
you
could
in
fact
get
heat
out
of
that.
O
So
individual
residential
homes,
but
I'm
talking
about
large
multi-story
complexes
that
can
still
draw
and
heat
my
my
house
and
the
furnace
continues
to
run
even
when
the
powers,
but
I'd
love,
to
talk
to
heating
experts
that
could
there's
continuous
roaming.
The
powers
out
yeah
and
I
also
have
two
stoves
as
well.
But
my
furnace
continues
to
run
without
electricity.
O
B
O
E
E
So,
just
to
I
received
one
email,
I
think
that
we
all
received
from
from
patrick
o'brien,
but
he
recommends
that
we
tackle
for
my
gas
systems
and
based
on
my
conversation
with
the
the
two
representatives
from
vermont
gas
systems.
They
are
on
board
with
this.
They
help
burlington
write
their
ordinance
and
they
just
want
to
be
included
in
any.
You
know
policy
discussions
going
forward,
but
they
they
raised
no
red
flags
with
regard
to
to
the
current
ordinance
that
we
are
looking
at.
B
A
O
So,
in
that
conversation,
did
you
have
any
distinction
or
differentiation
between
multi-family
units
as
well
as
single-family
residents,
because
I
can
see
the
case
for
new
large
homes
going
up
in
the
southeast
quadrant
to
make
those
all
electric.
My
concern
is
the
high
density
housing
that
we
just
need
to
have
reliable
heating
sources.
So
was
that
part
of
that?
Okay?
It.
D
O
To
chime
in,
I
want
to
say
from
the
outset,
I
am
not
against
I'm
just
not
quite
sure,
we've
heard
from
enough
people
to
be
ready
for
the
hot
water
piece
of
this,
so
I
could
very
well
support
it.
But
I
want
to
confirm
that
what
you
just
said-
and
I
want
to
talk
to
people
that
know
heating
sources
for
large
complex
buildings
and
that
they've
seen
this
language
and
I'm
just
not
certain
that
that's
happened
yet.
D
I
think
it
comes
from
in
in
large
apartment
buildings.
The
question
is:
what
are
the
choices
for
construction
at
construction
time
to
add
in
a
water
heater?
Is
it
do?
Does
each
unit
have
its
own
water
heater
right?
You
know
inside
of
it
somewhere
like
either
in
the
ceiling
or
in
a
closet,
or
are
they
all
located
in
the
basement?
I
don't
know
you
know.
V
I
think
it's
a
variety
depending
on
the
occupancy,
and
you
know
often
also
when
we
were
drafting
the
ordinance.
We
could
not
find
a
reference
to
language
when
it
came
to
governing
the
hot
water
systems,
so
we
basically
applied
the
same
standard
as
for
the
heating
systems,
so
I'll
just
say
did
feel
like
we're
on
a
little
bit
shaky
ground,
trying
to
find
the
enabling
legislation.
That
would
is
it
that
that's
safe
to
say.
W
Yeah
the
code
that
was
referenced
by
for
the
renewable
primary
heating
system.
We
basically
duplicated
it
for
the
in
essence,
duplicated
it
for
the
the
domestic
hot
water
heating
system,
and
the
same
thing
is
for
the
domestic
water
heating
load
and
is
fueled
by
those
standards
are
the
same
for
both
because
we
couldn't
find
any
any
differentiation
between
the
two.
C
A
C
A
O
So
a
couple
things
I
was
traveling
last
five
days.
My
meeting
with
vermont
gas
systems
is
this
wednesday,
so
I
have
not
yet
spoken
or
heard
from
them,
but
I
also
think
the
public
would
benefit
from
hearing
directly
from
them.
So
I
hope
that
we
have
opportunities,
or
at
least
we
encourage
them
to
either
officially
weigh
in
or
offer
thoughts,
and
I'm
sure
that
will
happen.
O
So
that
being
the
case,
I
don't
know
if
we
can
move
forward
with
just
the
burlington
thing,
the
burlington
standards,
which
has
some
value
and
consistency
and
then
similar
to
the
dog
park.
I
would
also
agree
opening
what
we
have
to
serve
the
community
passing
this
legislation,
which
is
consistent
with
the
neighboring
community
and
then
continuing
to
take
on
the
hot
water
heater.
If
we
want
to
get
this
worn
for
september,
but
again
I
could
support
it.
E
Helen,
yes,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
like
to
go
forward
with
what
we
have
here
and
we
can
certainly
remove
it
at
the
public
hearing,
but
I
I
feel
comfortable
based
on
my
conversation
that
this
will
pass
with
you
know
with
regard
to
vermont
gas's,
you
know
input
that
without
any
any
reservation
they
had
none
that
they
expressed
to
me.
The
only
question
I
have
is
we
received
emails
from
andrew
chalnick.
E
I
would
like
us
to
talk
more
about
what
andrew
is
considering
to
be
needed,
changes
to
to
the
wording
and
to
to
be
able
to
just
move
forward.
I
I
see
no
reason
why
any
concerns
that
council
chitin
might
have
cleared
up
on
wednesday
or
not,
and
if
not,
then
we
could
certainly
you
know
in
september
deal
with
those,
but
I
I
have
confidence
that
he
will
be
satisfied
on
wednesday.
I
see
no
reason
why
we
should
take
remove
that,
based
on
my
knowledge
and
directly
from
vermont
gas
systems,.
E
E
E
E
E
E
A
A
D
O
I
haven't
articulated
my
concern
well
enough
and
I'm
not
against
that.
My
concern
is
for
the
high
density
housing
and,
if
there's
clouds
and
if
there's
power
out,
I
just
want
to
hear
from
people
that
they
will
still
be
able
to
stay
warm
and
that's.
Why
I'm
concerned
with
a
hot
water
system
that
might
also
be
heating
some
of
the
units
or
as
a
backup
system
if
it
doesn't
have
an
additional
source.
D
A
X
So
hi
andrew
challenge,
thank
you
for
so
you
know
quickly.
Moving
this
along,
really
appreciate
it
just
a
couple
of
things.
So
you
know
we
are.
We
did
hear
that
there
are
several
large
multi-family
developments
that
are
all
electric
or
intended
to
be
so
cambium
rise
in
burlington,
the
affordable
housing
being
built
in
marsville
understand
city
place
is
intended
to
build,
be
built
all
electric.
So
I
think
that
you
know
there
is
certainly
technology
for
that.
X
Multi-Family
multi-unit,
high
density,
you
know
system,
and
you
know
that
there
is
a
technology
to
service
that
having
said
that
right,
the
the
task
force
after
having
talked
to
jack
hansen
about
why
burlington
didn't
move
forward
with
hot
water.
He
said
they
just
weren't
sure
to
echo
some
of
your
concerns,
tom,
that
you
know
it
would
be
the
right
system
for
every
large
building,
and
so
we
we
did
recommend
an
exemption
right
for
folks
that
can
establish
that.
You
know
this.
X
Just
the
technology
is
not
there
to
reasonably
service
the
needs
of
the
building
that
that's
in
the
in
the
presentation,
and
you
know
to
me
that
that
makes
sense
to
to
see
how
this
evolves
right,
so
that
that
you
know
that
I
think
that's
how
that's
how
we
would
go
that
was.
That
was
part
of
our
recommendation.
X
I
think
we,
you
know
there
are
solar,
hot
water
systems
that
that
people
use-
I
think,
that's
kind
of
you
know
an
easy
one
to
to
throw
in
to
the
ordinance
for
for
hot
water,
that
people
should
that
that
should
be
recognized
as
a
certainly
renewable
system
for
hot
water.
You
know
some
of
the
other
changes
that
I
recommend
that
are
just
minor.
X
We
can
talk
about
it
now
or
or
later
really-
and
it's
to
your
point
helen
it
you
know
most,
we
we
didn't
anticipate
you'd
have
a
backup
to
hot
water,
so
my
understanding
is,
for
instance,
hot
heat
pump.
Hot
water
systems
already
have
built-in
electrical
resistance
back
up,
so
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
built
in
the
technology
is
kind
of
standard.
You
don't
need
like
another
complicated
statute
which
says
you
can
have
like
a
third
backup.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
B
L
Y
On
yeah
thanks,
I
think
goldman
yeah.
Thank
you
andrew
said
it
very
well.
So
I
don't
want
to
you
know,
repeat
everything
that
he
said.
I
think
that
the
the
multi-family
building
heat
with
with
heat
pumps
is
pretty
well
established
from
burlington,
and
you
know
you're
all
sitting
in
a
very
large
building
right
now,
that's
heated
with
electrical
heat
pumps.
So
there's
lots
of
solutions.
For
that.
Y
I
think
that's
that's
less
of
a
concern
and
I
guess
I
would
also
emphasize
that-
and
I
think
andrew
made
this
point
as
well-
that
the
for
multi-family
buildings
there
are
definitely
technologies
that
are
available
now
that
have
higher
capacity
for
those
type
of
systems.
You
know,
there's
some
reports
from
national
labs
as
early
as
2017.
there's
some
new
equipment
that
came
out
in
2021,
that's
specifically
designed
toward
those
buildings,
but
I
think
what
you've
got
for
language
around
exclusions
around
economic
inviability
allows
us
to
put
something
in
place
today.
Y
O
So
I'm
I'm
not
saying
I'm
not
satisfied.
What
I'm
saying
is.
I
just
want
to
hear.
I
have
a
couple
of
emails
into
this
in
my
inbox
today
from
developers
and
builders,
and
I
just
seem
like
they
need
to
be
heard
from
too
on
this
ordinance,
and
maybe
that
will
happen
on
september
19th
I'll
say
I'm
as
one
counselor.
I
am
completely
comfortable
with
doing
what
burlington
did.
O
I
still
have
reservations
about
the
hot
water
heater
they
spent
three
years
coming
to
where
they
got
and
I'm
just
worried
that
we're
pushing
too
hard
and
too
fast
on
the
hot
water
heater
I
could
get
there.
I
just
want
greater
assurances
from
those
that
understand
these
issues
and
the
implementations
of
these
better
than
I.
D
B
C
So
I
I
do
feel
the
need
to
acknowledge,
and
I
would
recommend
you
open
it
up
for
other
public
comment
that
you
know
most
of
the
time
when
staff
is
here
before
you,
we
are
presenting
on
something
that
is
core
government
service
that
we
are
solely
the
experts
on.
This
is
not
something
that
we
are
at
all
expert
in.
We
have
no
capacity,
we
have
no
expertise
on
staff
or
expertise
and
consultants
right
now
focused
on
helping
us
craft
this.
So
we
are.
C
You
are
asking
us
to
craft
this
with
using
the
expertise
of
our
community
members,
which
is
fine,
but
is
something
that's
very
unusual
for
us,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
colin
and
steve
and
terry
and
andrew
and
paul
who
you
know,
put
a
lot
of
other
things
down
to
pick
this
up
and
try
and
get
educated
really
quickly.
But
it
is
not
it's
not
something
we
feel
very
comfortable
doing.
So,
if
you
want
additional
expertise
brought
in,
we
are
happy
to
coordinate
that.
C
Z
I
I
think
the
point
that
jesse
just
brought
up
is
an
important
one,
is
that
there
does
need
to
be
a
group
of
people
of
knowledgeable
people
who
help
understand
the
dynamics
that
go
on
both
from
the
construction
end
also
from
the
energy
use
end
and
also
from
the
regulatory
end,
and
so
my
recommendation
would
be
rather
than
it's
my
understanding.
If
you
proceed
with
this
going
to
a
public
hearing,
does
this
ordinance
already
come
into
effect,
or
does
it
not
come
into
effect
until
after
the
public
hearing.
A
We
would
have
to
vote
positively,
we
have
a
public
hearing
and
then
take
that
information
in
to
consideration
potentially
make
changes
or
not,
and
then
the
council
would
have
to
have
a
majority
who
were
willing
to
vote
in
the
affirmative
for
the
ordinance
to
go
into
effect.
Okay,
this
isn't
like
interim
zoning.
Z
Z
Personally,
I've
experienced
I've
constructed
a
building
where
we
had
tenant
complaints
regarding
comfort
within
their
home
using
an
air
you
know
doing
using
the
heat
pump
system
and
that
you
know
those
are
issues
that
need
to
be
understood
before
just
making
a
blanket
statement
we're
going
to
heat
pumps.
The
other
piece
is
there
are
expenses
associated
with
heat
pumps
and
they
actually
don't
last
as
long
as
other
equipment
that
is
been
on
the
market,
that
is
using
gas,
oil
and
wood
chips
or
whatever.
Z
So
there
are
not
only
initial
expenses,
but
also
continuing
on
expenses
that
can
be
more
costly
than
using
the
current
boilers
and
furnaces.
So
I
just
think
all
of
that
needs
to
be
discussed
and
understood,
and
I'm
not
against
energy
efficiency.
We
build
all
of
our
product
at
a
very
high
standard,
they're,
probably
the
well.
I
know
that
they
are
right
now
the
most
efficient
homes
that
I've
ever
built
hands
down.
Z
A
A
A
A
Z
B
B
L
I
Hi,
I'm
amy
dimetros
of
the
champlain
housing
trust,
and
I
I'm
also
ex
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
public
hearing
when
we
can
have
a
broader
conversation
about
this.
These
really
are
very
complex
issues,
especially
when
they
relate
to
multi-family
buildings,
so
the
affordable
housing
sector
in
vermont
has
always
been
focused
on
energy
efficiency.
A
O
So
that
was
very
well
articulated,
and
I
I
know
that
ordinances
are
difficult
to
craft,
but
I
have
so
much
confidence
in
our
lawyer
that
I
would
welcome
some
sort
of
distinction
between
single-family
residences
of
certain
square
footages
and
those
requirements
as
well
and
more
flexibility
or
exceptions
to
just
be
considerate
of
exactly
what
amy
just
testified
to.
I
think
multi-family
houses
that
we
all
want
to
address
our
climate
goals.
O
As
I
look
to
the
umall
and
their
possible
redevelopment,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people
living
in
high
density
housing
stay
warm
in
the
really
cold
winters,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
policies
allow
and
also
that
they
can
afford
to
live
here.
So
I
just
hope
that
there
is
some
distinction
between
multi-family
homes
and
individual
residences,
while
still
achieving
our
climate
goals.
E
I
I
I
go
back
to
what
ethan
said
and
thank
you
helen
for
letting
me
jump
in
here
if
this
is
deemed
to
be
too
expensive.
So
just
like
chris
snyderman
said,
does
that
mean
I
should
put
in
two
systems?
It
might
mean
you
just
get
a
space
heater
for
your
bathroom
when
you
take
a
bath,
I
don't
know
or
a
shower,
but
it
could
mean
that
they
would
be
exempted
because
it
would
be
more
expensive,
so
that
exemption
is
already
in
there.
E
I
would
prefer
us,
like
ethan,
said
not
to
say
when
it
gets
to
this
square
footage.
This
turn,
and
you
know
that
the
different
columns
of
of
exceptions
just
seems
to
be
unnecessary
when
we
can
have
people
developers,
pricing
it
out
and
saying
this
is
not
you
know
within
25
years,
going
to
be
reasonable
for
us,
so
they
can.
They
can
opt
out
and
use
all
an
alternate
source
and
that's
written
into
the
ordinance.
E
D
Okay,
can
I
just
point
out
that
vermont
gas
systems
sent
out
a
a
flyer
in
their
recent
bills,
stating
that
they
were
going
to
be
increasing
the
rate
27
percent?
Pretty
soon,
if
you've
been
following
natural
gas
prices,
they've
gone
from
roughly
two
dollars:
a
therm
to
eight
dollars,
a
therm,
mostly
because
of
mr
putin's
war
in
ukraine.
Right.
B
D
The
instability
of
distribution
of
gas
from
russia
to
europe,
so
the
u.s
is
exporting
a
ton
of
natural
gas
to
europe
and
other
customers
as
well.
So
the
the
seeming,
lower
price
of
natural
gas
is
not
going
to
hold
for
a
few
years
unless
something
resolves
itself
in
europe
with
its
its
gas
distribution.
But
I
see
natural
gas
prices
and
vermont
gas
systems
bills
creeping
up
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
A
P
P
P
What's
the
affordability,
the
affordability
issue
is
actually
not
something
that
we
can
just
price
shop
on
amazon.
We
actually
have
testimony
before
the
residential
building
energy
standard.
We
know
that
an
all-electric
home
versus
the
current
stretch
code,
based
on
testimony
before
the
department
of
public
service,
is
thirty.
Seven
thousand
one
hundred
fifty
dollars.
P
P
We
have
a
largely
renewable
portfolio
and
that's
a
good
thing.
But
remember
electricity
is
not
inherently
renewable.
It
is
the
movement
of
electrons
between
atoms.
It's
how
the
power
is
created,
that's
either
renewable
or
not,
and
on
the
coldest
nights
in
the
winter
here
in
south
burlington
and
across
vermont.
Q
D
That's
I
don't
know
what
the
percentage
of
time
that
is,
or
the
percentage
of
total
power
consumed
in
vermont
but,
like
you
said,
that's
a
peak
winter
peak
issue,
the
other
99.8
percent
of
the
time.
If
that's
what
the
number
is,
it's
you
know
a
renewable
resource
through
the
through
the
gmp
portfolio.
E
You
know
a
big
challenge
for
us
and
we
have
to
take
a
bite
out
of
the
apple
now
and
if
it,
if
it
is
truly
unaffordable
for
cht
or
for
snyder
braverman,
they
can
make
know
that
argument
and
and
they
have
they
can
opt
out,
but
for
I
would
hope
for
for
many
people.
This
would
be
seen
as
something
we
just
have
to
do.
C
C
S
O
A
X
Yes,
thank
you,
so
it
would
my
suggested
changes
along
with
my
earlier
comment
would
be
to
instead
of
having
domestic,
a
primary
domestic
water
heating
system
to
just
have
a
domestic
water
heating
system,
renewable
sorry,
renewable
domestic
water
heating
system
and
eliminate
the
85
requirement
in
the
language
that
that
I
struck
and
then
to
ed
that
that
system
could
be
satisfied
with
either
a
solar,
hot
water
system
and
or
a
system.
That's
powered
by
the
sources
described
in
one
two
or
three.
L
A
D
X
You
could
say
that
yeah
then
there
was
just
one
other
small
change
jesse
in
the
definition
of
a
heating
system
itself.
I
think
that
someone
had
revised
the
burlington
statue
to
add,
I
think,
a
primary
hot
water
heating
system.
I
think
that
may
maybe
was
just
to
me-
is
a
little
confusing.
I
think
what
they
were
trying
to
isolate.
There
is
what
type
of
heating
system
would
be
covered
by
the
15
percent
exception
to
their
statute
and
and
talking
about
hot
water
heating.
X
X
C
A
X
And
three
yeah
it
can.
I,
while
I
have
the
floor
for
a
moment,
I
just
you
know
the
research
that
we
did
shows
that
cold
climate
heat
pumps
today
operate
down
to
-20,
not
not
zero,
and
there
was
only
one
day
in
the
past
25
years
that
south
burlington
was
below
minus
20.
It
was
back
in
1999
and
it
hit
minus
21
for
a
moment.
So
the
research
we
did
shows
that
you
know
heat
pump
systems.
Would
today's
cold
climate
heat
pump
systems
would
work
really
well
in
terms
of
costs?
X
Burlington
did
a
study
that
had
their
electric
department
do
a
study
and
showed
for
the
most
part
that
it
was
a
push.
As
I
said
in
the
presentation
a
couple
weeks
ago,
with
respect
to
construction
and
mostly
a
push
with
respect
to
operating,
there
was
one
use
case
they
found
where
operating
a
multi-family
multi-metered
building
rather
than
a
tenant.
Metered
building
was
slightly
more
expensive,
15
percent
more
expensive
compared.
You
know
electric
building
compared
to
a
fossil
fuel
building.
A
W
B
W
A
A
A
Are
people
okay?
With
that
know,
we've
had
different
conversations
about
certification,
isn't
good
enforcement
and
then
other
people
it's
like
well,
most
people
will
follow
the
rules
and
we'll
be
better
off,
at
least
at
the
beginning,
with
enough
adherence
to
this
ordinance
and
these
new
requirements.
A
D
A
W
I
am
green
yes,
the
way
it's
drafted
is
that
it
would
be
applicable
to
permits
that
were
acquired
after
january
1st.
So
if
you
received
your,
if
you
were
deemed
complete
stamped
complete
by
the
fire
marshal
or
deem
complete
by
planning
and
zoning
prior
to
january
1st,
you
do
not
have
to
comply
with
this
new
ordinance.
Okay
and.
C
D
C
W
We
had
to
divide
it
up
a
little
bit
just
because
of
the
conversation
we
were
having
having
earlier
about
owner-occupied
single-family
residences,
because
they,
if
you're,
building
a
single-family
owner-occupied
residence,
you
don't
need
to
apply
for
a
permit
through
the
fire
marshal
right,
but
you
still
need
to
go
through
zoning,
so
we
had
to
have
some
tests
in
place
as
to
what
would
be
the
triggering
event
and
so
for
single
family
owner
occupied
dwellings.
Only
a
zoning
permit,
okay
by
january
1st,
great
thanks.
A
D
So
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that's
gone
into
this,
this
draft
ordinance
and
I
I
think
that
the
the
public
hearing
should
be
that
time
that
we
gather
a
lot
of
information
from
not
only
you
know,
residents
but
also
businesses,
developers
and
and
get
their
input
as
well,
and
we
can
accumulate
accumulate
that
even
before
that
meeting
as
well.
But
I
just
want
to
emphasize
the
fact
that
I
I
want
to
hear
from
you
know
large
developers
and
and
and
have
some
facts
presented
about
differences
in
costs
performance.
D
D
And
I
appreciate
that
counselor
chittenden,
but
I
think
that
that
the
the
heat
pump
hot
water
is
probably
some
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
can
pluck.
Sooner
than
later,
that's
just
my
opinion.
I'd
like
to
hear
some
more
information,
but
I
think
it's
a
pretty
tried
and
true
technology
and-
and
we
should
move
forward
with
that.
C
O
My
interest
just
to
follow
up
on
counselor
barrett's
point:
there
is
really
with
the
multi-family
unit
so
and
I
think,
of
the
large
apartment
complexes.
So
I
want
people
that
know
how
to
build
affordable
housing
as
well
as
attractive
housing
that
is
multi-layered
to
address
some
of
our
climate
goals.
I
want
to
hear
from
them
regarding
hot
water
systems
in
this
ordinance
language,
so.
B
E
C
C
A
O
Even
if
it's
a
minimum
written
testimony
just
as
long
as
these
organizations
know
we're
considering
this
language,
I'm
not
saying
we
need
to
card
them
all
before
us
at
the
next
council
meeting.
But
I
just
would
love
to
hear
their
written
thoughts
and
documentation
and
responses
to
what
we're
considering.
A
C
So
that
brings
me
to
my
second
point
so
on
september
19th,
you
are
also
possibly
making
arpa
decisions.
Hearing
from
the
climate
action
task
force
on
the
complete
plan
setting
your
fy24
budget
goals,
it's
a
big
night
already,
so,
just
as
a
warning
to
the
counselors
get
lots
of
sleep
before
september,
19th.
E
B
A
B
A
A
V
V
D
C
A
R
All
right,
thank
thank
you,
counselor
really,
so
this
is
something
I
lay
it
out
in
the
memo
that
jesse
and
I
identified
as
we
were,
building
the
fy
23
budget
that
our
current
cip
has
gotten.
I
think
it's
ilana's
technical
term
a
little
bit
lumpy
when
it
comes
to
the
general
fund
expectations
from
year
to
year.
R
R
R
Is
we've
talked
a
little
bit
before
about
how
the
city's
fund
balance
was
in
a
really
dire
situation
back
then,
and
so
I
think
we
are,
we
have
a
great
opportunity
now
that
our
fund
balance
is
at
a
we're
at
the
minimum
threshold
our
auditors
required.
So
the
work
that
you
all
did
last
year,
administration
did
in
fy.
21
has
really
allowed
this
type
of
long-term
financial
planning,
this
tool
to
to
better
better,
be
utilized.
C
W
B
R
Yeah,
so
if
there's
a
a
project,
road
paving
is
a
bad
example
because
of
the
recent
overages,
but
if
it
comes
in
under
budget
that
that
that
any
of
those
funds
would
go
back
into
the
fund
as
sort
of
an
unallocated
reserve,
they're
not
dog-eared
for
anything
but
we'd
only
allow
that
to
accumulate
up
to
20
percent
of
the
value
of
the
entire
fund.
So
if
it's
a
million
dollars,
that's
in
there
that's
set
aside
that's
allocated
for
specific
projects.
We
would
only
allow
200
000
of
that
to
be
on
allocated
if.
D
R
C
E
R
R
Sorry,
we
currently
are
at
a
1.2
million
dollar
surplus
and
projecting
that
it
could
be
above
1.5
million
once
we
get
our
our
final
local
option,
tax
numbers
so
with
so
with
that
and
again
to
go
back
to.
We
are
in
such
a
great
position
or
such
a
better
position
when
it
comes
to
the
city's
fund
balance,
rather
than
designating
all
of
that
to
go
in
to
meet
higher
thresholds,
recommended
thresholds
of
66.66
of
our
of
our
total
operating
expenditures
being
held
as
a
savings.
R
We're
also
going
to
be
coming
back
to
you
at
the
when
we
do
close
the
the
fiscal
year
at
the
end
of
this
month
at
the
council
meeting
the
second
council
meeting
in
september
to
talk
about
a
few
other
potential
recommendations
for
surplus
funds,
and
I
really
want
to
highlight
a
very
significant
one.
As
jessie
mentioned,
we
we
now
can
during
the
manager
updates,
we've
received
the
v
chairman's
authorization
to
go
out
and
pursue
an
rfp
for
the
dorset
signals
project.
R
Our
preliminary
forecasts
are
that
that's
going
to
be
way
over
budget
where
we
were
anticipating
and
is
in
the
fy
23
budget.
That
could
be
up
to
a
million
just
to
be
fully
transparent
about
that,
so
that,
if
that
is
a
council
and
community
priority
to
get
that
project
in
the
ground
in
this
fiscal
year,
we're
going
to
be
asking
for
a
substantial
portion
of
these
surplus
dollars
to
fund
that
one
other
thing
to
highlight:
we've
talked
about
this.
A
little
bit
in
the
past
is
we're
probably
looking
going.
R
You
know
in
this
fiscal
year
with
the
cpi
increases
and
collective
bargaining
agreements
not
being
finalized
when
we
put
the
budget
together
as
well.
As
you
know,
our
19
gregory
drive
lease
space,
for
example,
which
is
not
being
utilized
or
we're
not
anticipating
that
revenue,
although
we're
trying
as
hard
as
we
can
to
mitigate
that
now,
we're
probably
in
the
whole
fy
23
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
as
well.
R
R
The
second
request
is
fire
and
ambulance
shared
the
memo
that
chief
lock
put
together
since
coming
on
board
he's
identified
a
number
of
critical
needs
that
he's
requesting
funding
and,
and
finally
is
the
spring
paving
projects
which
I
talked
about.
It's
about
200
at
200
000.,
we're
asking
to
set
aside.
C
So
it's
one
clarification.
I
think,
on
the
dr
child's
request,
but
andrew
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
last
year,
when
you
were
allocating
201
surplus
funds,
you
allocated
a
portion
of
those
to
the
trinity
center,
so
was
in
this
fiscal
year,
but
was
with
last
year's
surplus.
Just
as
this
year
is
with
this
year's
surplus.
S
A
R
A
R
R
D
A
O
Besides,
just
wanting
to
get
it
done,
because
we've
been
pushing
this
off
so
long,
what
are
the
other
reasons
why
we
should
definitely
spend
a
million
dollars
of
our
taxpayers
money
this
year
as
opposed
to
pursuing
additional
grant
opportunities
and
maybe
taking
another
year
or
two,
I'm
genuinely
asking.
I'm
not
jockeying
for
one
position:
yeah.
C
So,
just
as
a
reminder
about
this
project,
this
is
the
hardware
that
allows
us
to
in
future
years
go
to
the
adaptive
signaling,
which
is
what
we
have
on
shelburne
road.
So
right
now,
as
we've
all
experienced,
there
are
significant
traffic
delays
along
dorset
street
at
particular
times
of
day,
and
this
once
we
get
the
hardware
installed,
then
we
can
move
into
the
adaptive
phase
and
improve
that
that
will
be
a
year
after
the
hardware
is
involved
is
in
place.
C
Additionally,
that's
with
the
traffic
we
have
on
the
street
now
when
we
think
about
redevelopment
at
the
university
mall
when
we
think
about
city
center,
fully
redeveloping
we're
talking
about
hundreds
of
new
residents,
hopefully
that
won't
be
solely
in
cars,
we'll
be
out
walking
about,
but
it
also
it
is.
You
know,
a
critical
piece
of
infrastructure
to
enable
that
growth
to
happen.
R
Yeah,
so
that
was
if
there
was
leftover
monies
available
rather
than
having
that
sit
in
in
the
city's
bank,
account
that
that
be
added
to
the
fy
22
contribution
generating
much
higher
interest
than
we
would
in
the
bank
account
in
order
to
offset
future
liabilities
in
the
pension
plan
to
make
sure
we're.
We
are
fully
funded.
So.
R
They
asked
they
asked
for
somewhere
between
100
and
200
000,
to
be
allocated
for
that
purpose.
I
think
I
believe
they
would
be
amenable
if
that's
been
eaten
up
by
other
sources.
That
necessarily
would
not,
if
that
was
not
ripe
to
happen
this
year,
I'm
not
speaking
for
the
entire
pension
advisory
committee,
but
yeah.
B
C
R
E
A
B
C
D
D
N
W
C
So
what
is
before
you
is
all
of
the
changes
made
following
our
discussion
that
I
outlined
in
our
memo
at
our
last
meeting.
So
this
is
for
your
final
consideration
and
also
I
didn't
link
again
but
does
include
the
the
work
plans
that
the
committees
put
together
happy
to
hear
additional
feedback.
But
I
think
we
walked
through
a
lot
of
detail.
Last
time.